The recent Marvel Rivals revealed that their version of Cyclops has eyes that open to a dimension of pure kinetic force but apparently people are really pissed off about it. Why is the Punch Dimension so controversial now? I remember people thinking it was a fun and silly idea but now people are mad that the Rivals writers made it canon to their game. What changed?
>>153648095They're mad about the little black girl not Scott
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>>153648127>happy ScottScotty has never been happy
>>153648127>No fun faggot police at your service.Yeah um...sweetie if you want your alt universe Miles to exist then you gotta get real and face the fact punch dimension is more kino than him and that this is only Rivals so you gotta face the truth that if we have to accept Miles in an alt universe then you have to accept Punch dimension (even tho Miles is in main 616 now and the fact that nobody gives a shit). Wow imagine that...people enjoy the punch sci-fi concept more than the rip-off. Also can Miles access it for the knockout game of harmless people on the subway or against Spot?
>>153648095Has cyclops eye beams ever been shown to be anything OTHER than concussive force? Have they ever lit things ablaze or some shit?If theyve always been impact based then why do people care about the explanation, would they rather there be no explanation behind Cyclops eyes and its just because of a mutant gene
>>153648308Miles is more popular than Peter, unc
>>153648346No, retard
>>153648346Prove it.Also how come did they not shove him into NWH? Why is he not in Rivals? Perhaps the Chinese have a well-known aversion to the race with high melanin? And what race is one of the most populous on Earth? I'm not a proponent of the Sinitic over others. I'm just using reasoning to show that one of the most numerous races prefers the white character over the black one which makes it more likely that in fact, Peter is more popular in the world than Miles.
>>153648095Punch Dimension is just one of those stupid comic book things that you either love or hateIts clearly an attempt by some nerd to make up some pseudoscientific reason why Cyclops doesn't ever run out of eye blastsBecause if Optic Blasts actually ran on solar power, then he should be severely weakened indoors or at night and be able to take off his visor sometimes before he can rechargeSo instead his eyes are portals that are directly connected to another dimension full of red kinetic force, so he will never run outX-Men editors have pretty much forbidden writers from actually referencing itIt's the kind of bullshit you only really find in handbooks and wikis
>>153648308This>no fun sissygot has a small brain and can’t fathom a dimension of pure alpha manliness energy>small cock sissygot can only think about ripping off other people stuff and giving it another fresh coat of paint and calling it new
>>153648332I think some anons will post when he has burned through stuff or broken through chains. But other times like in that schism cover, he is shown blasting off Wolverine's skin but it is not burning, more like getting moved off him. Covers have dubious canonicity but I think it just shows it is inconsistent. But based off vibes, concussive force would make more sense for how it is depicted throughout X-Men's history.
>>153648411You are gay
>>153648404it's no more dumb than wolverine becoming some immortal being that can regenerate from essentially nothing
>>153648404it's also a stupid idea to come up with an excuse why any optic blasts would have concussive force instead of an actual laser which would just burn the fuck out of whatever it touches, not blow through walls
>>153648404They did it both ways. The portal in his eyes and his access to the punch dimension is solar-powered, it runs out if morlocks kidnap him for too long.
>>153648095Punch dimension vision is also heat visionHeat is ultimately just punching shit at the molecular level to make it move
>>153648477Wolverine should just age slowly, ig you ask me. Like by the 2040s he should start greying
>>153648381>>153648403Spider Verse was way more hype than some white bread boring shit
>>153648332>>153648430its a plot point that getting burned by cyclopses beams was a tip off they werent the X-men but actually skrullsits been a consistent depiction of his beams, in text if not visuals, that his optic blasts produce far less heat than kinetic force since the 70sand arguably enforced by jim shooter who insisted that new readers dont get confused by anyones powers, so he insists his beams do not burn fairly often (and can only be stopped by a ruby quartz visor)
>>153648682Wait, how the fuck does that work? They can one for one copy a dude down to presumably the genetic level but they don't get his powers? You're telling me they can't duplicate the Punch Dimension based on his X-Gene or whatever, but they can do his blood no problem?
>>153648483You come up with a better fucking explanation then, dipshit, its not easy i tried my best
>>153648823the skrulls cant duplicate powers, which is why super skrull existsbut the skrulls were using a regular laser beam instead of the punch dimension, which resulted in a hot beam burning the thing and tipping him off that its not actually the real cyclops
>>153648823do they have the coordinates to the punch dimension innatelly? maybe they can get the tartar sauce dimension or the slightly hotter fire punch dimension
>>153648095Because it's fucking stupid. It was only liked as a joke, a meme. It doesn't really matter that much though.
The dimension exists whether they want to say Cyclops doesn't access it or notSo at this point it's no better or worse than any other explanation
>>153648830>better explanationhow about no and fuck that. i hate rightclops. the four biggest wastes of space in x-men are cyclops, jean grey, wolverine and emma frost
>>153648939>america chavez is the reason we have to accept ridiculous bullshitimagine using america chavez as a rubric for what's canon
>>153648939>America ChavezJust call me a Wetback Spic at this point. It would be far more respectful than bringing her up
>>153648939Ewing is one of the few writers who likes Punch DimensionHe wanted to include another reference to it during his X-Men Red run, the Sins of Sinister crossover. But the editors said he wasn't allowed to >Al Ewing also came up with another in the bar, a chimaera who combined the power sets of Magik and Cyclops, and can open stepping discs to the punch dimension that powers Cyclops optic blasts. "The problem is we're not allowed to mention Cyclops power has dimensional holes to the punch dimension." It was an addition to the Official Handbook Of The Marvel Universe that the editors don't like to reference – which also explains how the Hulk puts on mass, having access to a "meat dimension".https://bleedingcool.com/comics/x-men-sins-of-sinister-revealed-at-thought-bubble-xspoilers/
I don’t even know how far away Rival fans are but I don’t care about what secondaries think
>>153649095>a chimaera who combined the power sets of Magik and CyclopsWhen are the cowards at Marvel finally going to let them fuck?
>>153649127With how rabid Magik fans have become thanks to Rivals, I don't think they'll ever confirm that she fucks. They sent the writer and his family death threats because of an AU where she was Belasco's sex slave.
>>153648404I don't necessarily love it, but I don't get the hate.Nightcrawler and Magik's powers also weren't conventional but tapped into "power explaining" dimensions too, so what?It's not like a universe of raw kinetic energy is unscientific either, the initial conditions after the big bang were nothing but shit rocking hard until it cooled.
>>153648404I like it. It's kinda dumb, but it's inoffensive and gives the power a bit more character. Dunno what's the big fukken deal either. Oh, a character can generate concussive blasts out of their eyeballs? That's just fine. Oh, now they're actually conduits to the Punch Force? Oh suddenly that's too far.
>>153649170They didn't evrn knew who she was until Rivals lmao. They have not read the first New Mutants volume and the Magik miniseries.
>>153648095>What changed?people started taking comics too seriously
How about the dick dimension?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_JrCU8F-vs
>>153648095the only reason people hate it is the name, a dimension full of kinetic energy isn't even in top 1000 of weird or silly things in Marvel or DC.
>>153649025worst opinion ever award
Get back to me when Marvel Rivals references Flyclops.
>>153648332He disintegrated a sentinel somehow.
>>153648404I like it, it's dumb yet makes the universe more cosmic and strangely mysterious. I mean it's not like our own universe and any less strange, we just found a planet with an atmosphere containing lots of ammonia that make it smell like piss.
>>153649786>we just found a planet with an atmosphere containing lots of ammonia that make it smell like piss.Of course we did.
>>153649305Normies don't like it when comic book stuff has anything but the most simple explanations, so all energy attacks are "lasers" to them and they hate the difference being explained to them because they're morons.
>>153648095They were just Force Beams...
>>153648404>Its clearly an attempt by some nerd to make up some pseudoscientific reason why Cyclops doesn't ever run out of eye blastsStan Lee (or was it Roy Thomas) established they are solar powered...
the punch dimension is real it wasn't some bit made up in that soild jj video?
>>153650458It was a one off factoid in an encyclopedia book that editorial went out of their way to ignore or outright restrict certain writers from using. Now Rivals made it openly canon.
>>153649656Punch dimension was an entirely fan creation wasn't it? The actual article only says its pure concussive force.
>>153648095Punch dimension makes sense to bring up in the wacky world of rivals where they need to come up with some bullshit to justify the moveset of characters. It's also far from the craziest thing in the game, with Jeff having eaten infinity stones to explain him being big, Gambit being able to heal because his lobotomy got undone, Deadpool breaking the 4th wall to satisfy players not wanting more dps, and Elsa bloodstone literally does pic related because why not. I'm not usually a punch dimension fan but for rivals this feels appropriate and can be used to explain why Cyclops can use his lasers as a rocket jump or something silly like that when his kit drops
How is the punch dimension any different from the crimson dimension?
>>153648095It was more of a meme, because of how silly it is.
>>153648404>Its clearly an attempt by some nerd to make up some pseudoscientific reason why Cyclops doesn't ever run out of eye blastsHe does, even in the original cartoon he did.
>>153652442pic related works in real life though
>>153648095Years of autistic fans berating you every time one calls them lasers would sour you to the idea.
>>153648939...does this mean that America Chavez could exit the Punch Dimension through Cyclops' eyes?
>>153648677>Posts Andrew Garfield box office income
>>153650443Am I the only one noticing an uptick of dumbfucks that don't read the posts they're responding to?
>>153653050Clearly tenderizing
>>153648823that was not a super skrull with a perfect copy of his powers, just a regular ass skrull with tech mimicking his powersthat happened in that F4 comic where Gladiator was going apeshit on F4 and skrulls were involved
>>153649038Ewing was the only writer who ever used her in an interesting way so I'm fine with that
>>153653050>he doesnt punch his ribeyes till theyre medium rarengmi
>>153648127>Concussive force...Can Cyclops rocket-jump with his eye beams?
>>153653636Didnt he do the reverse of that in 97, now that I think about it cyclops must be able to neck-curl 500 tons, every blast is neckday times a million, strongest neck in fiction
>>153653636as a matter of fact...
>>153653234Probably
>>153648332There's a small handful of times I can think of it's been forgotten but those are almost entirely adaptations.
>>153651678"Punch dimension" is the meme name, but they referred to it as a "dimension of pure concussive force"
>>153653234Theoretically speaking yes, assuming she could both survive the trip and find exactly where Cyclops's eyes connect to.
>>153653234I imagine looking into cyclopes visor and seeing American Chavez looking back out at you. As though she's inside his head, peering out through a window.
>>153654004>As though she's inside his head, peering out through a windowkinda spooky, it’s like scott trapped her in his head
>>153652695Do you mean Cyttorak's Crimson Cosmos?
>>153648404There's also the fact that if Cyclops is solar powered, then he makes no senseHe's generating way more energy in his optic blasts than he can possibly be drawing in from direct sunlight on his skin. At least not without drawing in a ton of ambient energy from his surroundingsAt least with Superman you can argue that he is an alien and can fly up above clouds to recharge his cells, and has been soaking up sunlight for years so he has reserves, And he doesn't use his heat vision nonstop
>>153648411>a dimension of pure alpha manliness energyWhy the hell would you associate pure alpha manliness with Wolverine's cocksleeve though?
>>153649170If this is true how has no one EVER talked about Claremont’s weird shit? He’s the one that had Illyana tortured for years to become what she is
>>153656649Like I said, no one has read the Magik miniseries nor the first New Mutants series
>>153653234Fastball Special.
>>153652695>>153654939The Crimson Cosmos has solid matter in it, there's volcanos and a throne in there. It's not just pure abstract elemental violence.
>>153649305It feels excessive, and makes his power feel more like magic (tapping into different dimension energies is what Marvel magic is) than a mutation. >>153656435>He's generating way more energy in his optic blasts than he can possibly be drawing in from direct sunlight on his skin.You could say the same thing about just about any superhero regarding their source of energy. Just imagine that their cells are better at drawing out energy than normal human cells.
>>153657694>makes his power feel more like magic than a mutationyeah because mutant powers like the power to control the weather totally feels like a genetic mutation rather than straight up magic
>>153657740That's just psychic powers on stereoids. "Psychic powers" in general is a term that does a lot of heavy lifting to justify some mutant powers as being biological in nature. As long as they come from brain waves and not some other dimension, they aren't magical, according to Marvel logic.In any case, Storm's powers are at least partially magical.
>>153657694>feel more like magic than a mutation Feels rather arbitrary to say, since plenty of mutants have powers that go way beyond fantastical mutation and instead are magic in all but name only. Hell, what kind of "mutation" is shooting eye blasts anyways. Mutants aren't restricted to just being mutates. Like honestly, if we're going to go this route >>153657786 of mutations making sense when they create metaphysical and psychic powers, then Punch Force honestly makes a bit more sense than just having Laser Eyes. Like I'd buy the fact that he's been biologically warped to the point where he can tapped into a metaphysical force moreso than just suddenly being able to shoot blasts out of his eyes.
>>153657974Like I said, this is more within the boundaries of Marvel's internal logic. Doing shit with your brainwaves is a mutation, but doing it by tapping into an extradimensional force is magic.
>>153658719pretty damn sure not all other dimensions in Marvel are inherently magical
>>153657694If it was strictly a biological mutation, he wouldn't be able to knock over shit before fainting on the floor from exhaustion.
>>153658719Well yes and no, Nightcrawler and Magik have their teleport mutation drawing from the brimstone and limbo dimension respectively. Nightcrawler doesn't get magic from his afaik whilst Magik kinda draws magic power from hers.
>>153658719>>153658753There are plenty of mutants and non-science supes who tap into extradimensional energy sourcesNightcrawler and Magik teleport through specific hell-like dimensionsCarol's Binary powers were her being linked to a white hole so she essentially had infinite energy to draw onKamala Khan's inhuman power is a shared pool of extradimensional mass with every other Kamala Khan in the multiverse. When she grows she's borrowing mass from other Kamalas, when she shrinks she's lending her massLiterally every single Darkforce user (Cloak, Darkstar, Blackout, Vanisher, etc) is tapping into the Darkforce Dimension to teleport or give shape and mass to their shadow manipulationAnd Dagger is related to the opposite with the Lightforce
>>153648631Well that just seems convoluted
>>153648939How did she avoid getting punched to death?
>>153660629She's very tough, she's gotten into scraps with several Hulks She did a similar trick where she traveled to a reality where Graviton's powers went out of control and used the super gravity to accelerate and re-entered 616 with a ton more force
>>153649170Its because it was offensive dogshit. I'm glad this tool isn't writing x anymore.
>>153649341Have you? A character who is an allegory for child sa but overcomes it, gets revenge on her abusers, and is finally at a point where she's adjusted and excelling in her life. Lets just make her helpless and get raped all over again to the point she turns insane and evil. Surely this is positive for the character and won't be highly upsetting for her fans that empathize with her, including those who have had such experiences themselves. Fuck this guy.
if you ever read claremont's run there's so much goofy space opera shit that it practically feels like a thor comic half the time. the punch dimension is a very mild hill to get over compared to issue by issue premises.
>>153648095>a dimension of pure kinetic force but apparently people are really pissed off about it.Because "pure kinetic energy" isn't a real thing, it's something an idiot thinks sound smart.And having his eyes being portals to some magic realm is really stupid too.He is a mutan that shoots light out of his eyes, light naturally has momentum. Common sense says that his eyes should generate high quantity low-frequency light.>Why is the Punch Dimension so controversial now?It's always been stupid.
>>153648346>40 year old hands typed this.
>>153662562>isn't a real thing,nothing in capeshit is a real thing what a stupid complaint
>>153653050>Scott: I'm out here beating my meat. >>153658719An energy source that exists at a different level of reality isn't that too far of a reach in a sci-fi sense. The 4th dimension exists as a IRL concept. UV light cannot be seen by us but it is an energy that exists on a different frequency. Scott's energy is just an energy that is one step beyond that line of thinking.>>153648682Based Shooter. Don't take that out of context, I might like glowie red beams but I don't want glowies after me.>>153648677Explain how it was hype when the stakes/problem/conflict, plot, characterizations, and pacing were all abysmal.>>153662562>It's stupidEnlightening anon. Next you'll tell me that you are cool. And that is because you are cool. And that you deserve money....because you deserve money.
>>153654710>American Chavez, I'll lift my visor and you can enter the punch dimension through my eyes.>Then when I need to get back out you'll lift the visor again?>...
>>153653234Monica Rambeau once tried to fry America's brain by entering her eyes in energy formAmerica redirected her by opening small portals in her eyesSo if she opened small portals to the punch dimension >>153648939 in her eyes, couldn't she recreate Cyclops's powers?
>>153653636Yes. Absolutely. Always has been able to. He even uses his eye blasts to slow his fall on multiple occasions in multiple series.
>>153648095becuase "punch dimension" sounds like more MCU numale fratboy-level humor
Maybe there is something to the whole hugbox thing because since I've limited my conversations to /co/ I've always been of the opinion it's not a big deal how it works or is defined, it feels like some social experiment thing to see people actually up in arms about this.
>>153649095>Meat dimensionIf you really need to explain why the Hulk can generate mass just say its energy to matter conversion from gamma radiation ffs its not that hard
>>153663084I'm sorry you're just now finding out that marvel comics have always been kind of retarded in different and exciting ways.
>>153650490Bumping this because it's the Truth
>>153648095did he just punch a dimension?
Primary source, definitely, not fake
Warning, don't allow Cyclops to stop you.
>>153648095So does Scott use his ability to beat his meat?
I don't know Xmen much at all but this has made me wonder, what's the lore on Cyclop's birth and just whatever happened until he got his goggles? Was he just streaming a laser beam from the moment he first opened his eyes or did it at least not start until puberty or something? And then once it started what the fuck did he do, run away and stare at the sky somewhere barren until I guess Xavier quickly finds him?
>>153667189I know he was in a plane crash when he was young and it damaged a part of his brain that would have let him control his optic blasts properly.
>>153667214Oh I thought he literally needed those special goggles to control the blasts, I don't know why I thought that.
>>153667189There's a puberty metaphor sometimes and powers don't manifest until adolescence. Scott's powers switched on like a anxious teen erection during a plane ride and orphaned him.
>>153667244He does. Because of his aforementioned brain injury, he can't turn the beam off on his own, hence the goggles or his ruby-lensed glasses to keep it blocked until needed.
It's better than heat lasers.
90% of all comic ideas are stupid. People have just normalized them.
If it's not the punch dimension, what is Cyclops eye beam supposed to be?
