>"I WILL UNMAKE THE UNIVERSE!"
Bump if you're reading.
Death to Deniz Camp.
>>153652142What are you talking about? I was the guy who asked for a storytime lol.
>>153652220That's it?
And that's it. If you liked this, support your LCS or whatever.
>>153652142I'm pretty sure that dude actually ragequit and left, but you're a bootlicking commie so fuck you.
I call this type of setup the mark millar special where the penultimate issue is usually where things look the darkest for our heroes with no way out! . . . Right until the next issue where a deus ex machina just give the heroes the win and the villains the losses.
>>153652220Good riddance.
>>153652081Aren’t some of these folks dead?
>>153652086>no sorry i can't time travel in this time travel storyLOL>>153652151Its crazy how much they're struggling with this single Maker variant. Every universe has one, we've seen like four or five of them since Secret Wars, but this single one is making 6160 look so pathetic.>>153652226Of course that's it, Commie Camp put the lecture before the story yet again.>>153652266Given how badly he wants to be Mark without what little subtly Millar has, it wouldn't surprise me.
>>153652245>you're a bootlicking commieNopeSounds like you're a projecting goyslave, though
>Spider-Man on the cover>Spider-Man does not appear in this issue
>>153652334>no youkek
>>153652266Millar did not invent the eucatastrophe.What puts Millar ahead of stuff like >>153652181, though, is that Millar understands spectacle. In the purely technical sense, the Guardians showing up here is superior to pretty much anything in Ultimates 2. There's little to no setup for the specific reversals. How did Banner get back to the States? Since when is Quicksilver able to reach such ridiculous speeds? How did the European heroes get overseas so fast? When did Hank give Jan the Giant-Man serum?It doesn't fucking matter. Scarlet Witch alters probability, Thor comes down with an army on a big rainbow bridge, and the heroes win. We get a decent enough denouement afterwards, and we all go home with the sense of "that was cool". Hardly the highest form of art, but it satisfies that very real need for entertainment to be entertaining.
>>153652470>is that Millar understands spectacle. In the purely technical sense, Does he?
and marvel asks why dc is assfucking them
>>153652470Ultimates 2 is leaps and bounds over this trash. Hell, I'd take Loeb back at this point.
>>153652301>Its crazy how much they're struggling with this single Maker variant. Every universe has one, we've seen like four or five of them since Secret Wars, but this single one is making 6160 look so pathetic.Has any variant conquered a universe for a time and then had thousands of years to evolve themselves? This Maker is on fucking roids and they're fighting him on his turf which is all of 6160's present.
>>153652534The original Maker evolved and conquered 1610.
>>Spider-Man’s dead>>now Captain America is dead.There’s no hope left for this universe.
>>153652605I meant the post Secret Wars variants
How the FUCK is this supposed to wrap up in one single issue. This event was retarded.
>>153652663It feels like bait for a Franklin variant that will never get greenlit, especially considering they're turning Maker into Ultimate Galactus
>>153652663Wolverine is still alive
>>153652487Let's put it this way. At some point, you have probably seen a Millar page posted out of context and felt something. A twinge of curiosity, a sense that it's stupid or cool. Plenty of people have seen a page of Millar's work and taken a look at it for precisely that reason.How much of that is there in the story we've got here? How many pages can you show to somebody and have him say "woah, I gotta check this out"?
>>153652220remember when this guy jobbed to Ant Man?
I'd be okay with how things played out if Captain America and Captain Britain actually had a rivalry leading up to this.Captain Britain was barely involved in any of the other comics and Captain America rivalry/history was with Red Skull/Bucky and Hydra.
>>153652862Yeah. Given he stabbed Thor and popped up in Ultimate Spider-Man I thought for sure Britain would somehow go down against one of them.
>>153652364What do you mean, bro?His rotting corpse is right on the first page here >>153652086
>>153652266He learned it from Hollywood.
>Deniz Camp writing a comic where he can’t talk about what he learned at last week’s DSA meeting
>>153652075Bumping
>>153652171Mei just looks so ugly……
>>153652158>>153652171>>153652176They speak english now?
>>153652200>>153652206>>153652215>>153652220>Captain "Britain" goes into a stupid ass rant about how Captain America is a Nationalist like he was FlagsmasherOh my God, Deniz is pissing me off with his Steve Hate-boner
>>153652225So all of this because Sue wouldn't fuck him, huh?
>>153653102>phonepostingGo back to work
>>153653332Maker was a lil shit before Sue curbed him. Can't remember what exactly happened but he fucked up whole universes just because he was curious, there were one dimension that actively sought to put him to death.
First of all, the art for this is pretty boring for what's supposed to be the conclusion to Marvel's best-selling AU of the last 3 years.Second, Deniz Camp seems like another case of a writer who does an event where all their flaws as a writer get exposed. I know Camp did most of the hard work getting there, but Hickman really should have written this. Even Hickman at his most boring is better than this.
>>153652137Why does Doom have a No More Heros-style Lightsaber?
>>153653386They used up the art budget on all the other books. Financially sensible to cut corners on the conclusion.
>>153653445Looks cool
Thanks OP
If you went back and told me Ultimates would be ending with an edgy whimper nobody cares about and Absolute would be the mature critically acclaimed darling i would never have believed you but here we are. What a waste.
>>153652487>At some point, you have probably seen a Millar page posted out of context and felt something. A twinge of curiosity, a sense that it's stupid or coolNot yet I haven't
>>153653467Momoko was ass, never give her a series again. I rather she stayed on covers and we get guys like Inhyuk lee back in interiors.
>>153653680To be honest Dc has been kicking marvels ass for a good decade plus in comics, the movies are where DC is lacking.
>>153652671Mmm, incelona.
>>153653685You're allowed your opinion anon, but I loved Momoko. She was the saving grace for me with UU and the only thing I'll remember from it at the end of the day
>>153653680Good news, Absolute is going to end with an edgy whimper too.
>>153652470>>153652779Millar's still a second rate Ennis tbqhwyf
>>153653332Now there is a sue who will at least
>>153653759considering who is writing the big team-up book...yeah
>>153653680If anything this place has taught me that it all goes to shit in people’s eyes and the only good stories are comics from pre-90s that everyone likes to jerk off to
>>153652181ENTER The Glup Shitto Plot Device Squad
What went so horribly wrong for this and went so right for absolute?
>>153652206>>153652215>>153652220KWAB
>>153652220Frankly, given how much of a turd 6160 Steve has been, he deserves this.
>>153653854Absolute just has better artists on Batman and Martian Manhunter. It's still the same group of people, plus Snyder, writing the same lousy stories.
>>153653854Imagine Absolute Batman but it's just Bruce sitting at home with his friends talking about totally doing stuff but never actually getting around to doing stuff, and maybe they throw in a single panel of Batman punching a guy so they don't get sued for false advertising. Do you understand now?
>>153653735Reminder Owen literally shat Maker into numerous universes he reconstructed because of this
>>153652070This was a very good issue.
>>153653854Absolute never knee capped itself with a ticking clock, but we’ll see how it handles the event it’s building up to
>>153653680>Absolute>Not ending with an edgy whimper nobody cares aboutAnon, it's a Scott Snyder-led initiative. I can assure you Absolute Crisis will be just as bad as Metal/No Justice/Death Metal/DC KO and kill all the excitement around the universe, especially with casuals. DC is more likely to keep Absolute as a zombie line though, much like how OG Ultimate was post-Ultimatum.
>>153653854>What went so horribly wrong for thisHickmanIf every publisher forbade him from universe reboots or Reed Richards characters he'd commit suicide
>>153652137The secret is probably Valeria Richards showing up to defeat the Maker.Then marries Richard Parker.And they have a daughter named Mayday.
>>153653791Hisako let herself be killed to avoid this lol
>>153652266The difference is that Millar actually wrote in GOOD parts leading up to that, like Thor escaping the asylum illusion.Camp is just a dumb faggot.
They should introduce maker to the invincible woman.
>>153653881It's crazy Deniz was better when he was writting Absolute Martian Manhunter
>>153654101He's not, it's being carried by the art.
So now the X-men's whole personality is "HISAKO-CHAAAAAAAN"?
>>153654163Always has been
Ultimate Kino
>>153654163Anon the secret society x-men disbanded at the end because Mei can’t stop gooning to her dead lover and Nico was one bad day from killing herself
>>153652188So America could have solved everything if she had just used that beacon to summon the GotG at the start?
>>153654250Would have been funny if Momoko had Hisako or Mei confess their feelings to the other and then they hear "what the fuck are you doing I told you I'm straight"
>>153654376Like that one anons comic
>>153654481May I see it?
>>153654250Yeah I get it when it was just Mei not the entire group.
Do you think Marvel is seething about Absolute Wonder Woman in particular? like nobody gave two shits about her in the mainline books despite so many attempts then they make her stronk wiccan powered by love and people lose it and yet their attempts to do similar always flop.But is that the writing or the audience?
>>153653960But there isn't a single universe where Maker gets any bitches.
>>153652070>>153652086>>153652220>Killing off Peter Parker and Steve RogersWhat was even the point of this universe?
>>153652070This whole universe feels like a rug pull that Tom King would do
>>153655065*ahem* themes and such
>>153653985You forget secret cabal of morally dubious characters that are secretly running the World.
So Cap dies because he has outdated views... then what? I would understand if there was anything better from the "new generation" but Camp hasn't setup any sort of symbol or legacy. Shit, even Spider-Man is dead. I can't see this ending on any decent manner.
>>153653981You are assuming that all these runs are going to converge into Abs Crisis when it's apparently more like separate runs that have some tangential connections to each other like the villains being on the same team.
>>153655065Vote Blue No Matter Who
>>153655318The DC All in Special and DC KO have made it clear that's the direction they're heading. One big crossover event blowout that sets up another crossover event blowout later on down the line.
>>153655309The obsession with "Cap is bad cuz he comes from le hecking 40s", my God, how many times has Cap criticized and even opposed the government?If this is a critique to Cap believing on the American Dream, it's a poor one and using villains as mouth-pieces further makes it bad
>>153655397All-In and KO had more effect on the mainline than on Abs. For example KO was barely a blip. on the Abs books. We know from Snyder that the mainline/abs stuff he is doing with Williamson is a two-year plan with KO as the middle portion while for abs books themselves they are talking much more long term in getting to 50 issues. So no Abs Crisis doesn't seem to be the end all be all of the Abs line.
>>153655309He died because he was off him game over Bucky. Vision says Cap is unlike himself here>>153652107And Hawkeye even says Steve was getting sloppy>>153652115He stopped shaving even.
>>153655499Both books teased a big Earth versus Darkseid-Earth confrontation.
>>153653979Absolute comics didn't even care about DCKO, just like everyone else!
>>153652206>bro even your so-called Kings and Symbols hate nationalism bro>just let the Somalis in bro>fuck culture and everything bro, it's all just bodies broFuck this Commie Turkroach.
>>153655374Kino Hickman
>>153655663Yeah that doesn't mean that's the end of absolute.
>>153652220RIP... but this certainly feels like a wet fart sputtering to the end. Expecting time travel shenanigans to wrap things up. Or is this going to lead into the midnight line that was announced? "The Ultimate universe is over, now you get a darker, edgier universe!" See you guys at the next one month time skip.
>>153655374>types all that>all his comics are about rich, well-bred supergenius chads secretly running the world for the common goodIs this guy retarded?
>>153652171What the fuck happened to Maystorm?
>>153652070Ultimate cinema
>>153655994Botox
>>153655952Since Captain Britain is a villain shouldn't he be wrong and actually patriotism is different from nationalism?
>>153655961As >>153653981 said DC may try to run it into the ground after Snyder's done, but he's had the villain outright state his end-goal in both act 1 and act 2 of the story.
>>153652605So why is this a bad thing exactly?
>>153656042The crazy part is that he's also a Frenchman who brags about how his bloodline can be traced to Louis XIV and puff his chest
>>153656109They didn't trust him because of what he had already done. The point of the story is that maybe they should have.
>>153655636you can't really ignore the shit Dubois is spouting to him at the same time. He's literally calling him an outdated, cringe concept that has to die off. Yes, he's the villain but him pointing out Cap's hipocrisy is why the entire dialogue is a thing.
>>153656042not really, the dialogue is setup as the "villain that's a massive asshole but still has a point so he achieves a moral victory that translates on him killing the hero" regardless. Yes, he dresses up in a flag but he says that he does so to flaunt his superiority to his lessers. Whereas Cap is clinging to what? An America that never existed? That knowingly bowed down to the Maker when he offered them safety and stability? Mind you, I don't exactly disagree with the concept (we know how corrupt the USA is as a country) but the execution is sloppy as fuck. We got one issue of Cap detailing his out-of-fish status to Jim Hammond back at the very start of the series, then he kills Bucky and he has a crisis of faith at the very end of the series. This could have been handled way better and in a less rushed way.
>>153656257* his fish out of water status, sorry
>>153656180Which is hypocritical of Dugarry because he is flaunting about a nationalistic icon being his ancestor and how he gets to rule over people for being an aristocrat. This is like a Japanese wearing a Chinese flag and going into a flagsmasher-like rant, yet glazing himself over how his Bloodline an be traced from the Yamato Dynasty. It's pathetic really.
>>153654376>what the fuck are you doing I told you I'm straight That’s definitely hisako mei gives me “wouldn’t it be funny if we started dating” vibes
>>153653854>>153653680Absolute just has better artists like Dragotta, Sherman and Rodriguez. Ultimate just has house style guys with weak colouring. And the main editor behind Absolute is probably the better editor in the Big Two right now.Snyder/Thompson/Aaron/Al Ewing/Lemire/Camp isn't a significantly better writing stable than Hickman/Momoko/Hill/Condon/Camp. They are on a pretty similar level. Notice how nobody talks about Absolute Flash or GL and that's because the art on those book is pretty standard.
Once again Hickman come up with a shitty gimmicky grand plot but actually he's not that much involved with it so when it goes to shit (like it always does) he can wash his hands off it and pretend he's not the reason this crap was crap. Camp is just salvaging the crap he was given because of Hackman shitty monthly timeskip gimmick. There was never a way to build any coherent or satisfying story or conclusion with how this universe was set.
>>153653680Ultimates was never as good or interesting as Absolute despite Absolute fairly simple premise, stop deluding yourself, the only thing people talked in Ultimate was spiderman because he wasn't being cucked for once.
>>153658108Camp was, along with Hickman, the guy who pushed for the timeskip gimmick, Hill and Momoko were the detractors of the gimmick and you can tell
>>153653263>>153656703Flagsmasher is closer to anarchy: "Border's are a fiction enforced by violence."Midas and Duggary are closer to Davos style Globalism:Nations are obsolete, the real power is our big club and you're not in it."Notice how Duggary says he is closer to a Russian or "Persian" than he is to a commoner from either of his "countries." (Britain and France)
>>153657307Mei is an hopeless girl.
>>153653680>Absolute would be the mature critically acclaimed darlingAbsolute is indeed a critically acclaimed darling but "mature" can not be the right word for a line headed by Absolute Batman
>>153658642>>153658108https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-end-of-the-ultimate-universe/id1751987465?i=1000751350661>Hickman: Originally, Ultimate Invasion was just a miniseries I was gonna do with Bryan Hitch then you know we kinda liked the set up of it and we decided we were going to do other books.Ultimate Invasion was originally just going to be that miniseries. Doing a whole new Ultimate Line was because they liked the set up of that book.The Free Comic Book Day short was the first thing Camp wrote for the Ultimate Universe.>Hickman: I really was not planning on doing anything beyond the set up stuff cuz we had other creators that were gonna come on and do the books and we just couldn't get anybody to commit to Ultimate Spider-Man. And I was thinking abotu ti and I love Spider-Verse and Peter B Parker so much i was like "We should just do that."
>>153659148>Camp put America on the Ultimates team as an homage to Ewing's Ultimates.>Hickman:(Talking about the Real time gimmick and the countdown to the Maker emerging) I though it was a cool gimmick to try.... If we are doing a ticking time bomb of the Maker's gonna pop back out... in two years it does kinda put this thing over top of the books and the books dont even have to adress it but everyone knows in the world that this is gonna happen. I just thought it was an interesting storytelling choice. Now I thinlk the real question is did it work? Was it effective? Did we get more out of it did we get out of it. I think that's a creator by creator thing. I would put it 60-40, 70-30 ...for me. I thought it was an experiment worth doing especially with the ticking clock.
>>153658642>Hill and Momoko were the detractors of the gimmickHill and Momoko consciously ended Black Panther and X-Men on cliffhangers when they already knew the universe was getting axed. Fuck them too for pulling off that garbage.
>>153658642>>153658108Camp's thoughts on the time shtick:>So it was restrictive and freeing, which is, you know, you set yourself an arbitrary rule. Why? I mean, its not arbitrary in the sense its [not] completely arbitrary, but , you do it for your reasons, and you say, "I'm going to adhere to this throughout." And in trying to escape this cage that you've made for yourself, you create something that you might not otherwise have made, I think. And John does that, I think, pretty frequently in his work. >And something that I really kind of realized as I was writing this was, you know, the original Ultimate Universe was defined by this kind of new widescreen storytelling. That was like the big revelation of the Ultimate universe. And I think that was absolutely true of the Ultimates, but it was true of a lot of the books…but that was the thing that contributed. And it was a completely, for comics, you know, was borrowing from movies, and it was a completely fresh way of absorbing the story for readers. And I felt that, you know, this was kind of, this real-time thing was kind of John's version of that, or an attempt at that, where it changed the way that we had to write the stories.>It threw away certain tools that you have, like cliffhangers and whatnot that immediately pick up and so it changed the reading experience in the same way that the widescreen storytelling changed the reading experience of those earlier Ultimate books. And I thought that was pretty clever and was fun each time to figure out a new way to use it.
>>153660126>And like playing with the months, because the month that came out was, you know, it was the month it was happening in, all that stuff. Like you could play with dates a little bit. I mean, everybody's done that somewhat, but, you know, we did an issue, it was about the Fourth of July, you know, it came out around the Fourth of July, you know, like that's, fun.>So it gave me opportunities, but fundamentally, I think the big contribution of it was, I think Ultimate books read differently from Marvel Universe books in a more fundamental way, because of that pacing thing. For good or ill, it's up to the reader, but definitely different.>And, you know, for me, it was helpful because it was like, it gave me a believable amount of time to build a movement or a revolution for this world, which was in my pitch. So if it all happened in a week, it would be a little bit, ( I mean, I could have done something with time. I'm sure I could have done it, you know, one year later, type, jump or whatever.) But like fundamentally, it was, I thought it was helpful. You got to see this kind of movement generally evolve over time slowly, but continuously.
