Were death or deus ex machina really Aangs only options?
BREAK HIS FUCKING LIMBS OR JUST AMPUTATE HIMinb4 he can fire breathe with his mouth So what?You think he can steer with that?
>>153656878I wish people would look up the word murder in the dictionary so they don't sound like morons by using words they don't understand
>>153656878I mean no? Realistically defeating Ozai in of itself would have been enough. I don’t get why they needed to make such a big deal out of taking his bending. The Fire Nation was planning everything on being able to end the war with the comet and with that plan gone they were pretty much going to have to face a massive coalition of all the other nations and peoples with the avatar on their side. Not to mention the White Lotus took back Ba Sing Se and the crown prince was also with the avatar as well and Azula was too busy having a mental breakdown to be any kind of a leader. All in all the Fire Nation would be in a tough spot no matter what happened. It was all for the sake of drama.
>>153656922thissever his limbs with sharp rocks, or just burn them offgag himchain him up in a cell by his stumpshave lo and li jack him off semi-regularly to keep him placiddone, threat neutralized, no killing necessary.
>>153656878I'm still mad all these years latter that he didn't kill the guy. More kids cartoons need to be unambiguously pro murder.
>>153656930The author is being a twat, but Aang would consider it a murder. But to the rest of the world the Avatar is justified in issuing capital punishment because his divine role is to restore and maintain order in the world. He's usually good about reconciling his upbringing as a spiritual Air Nomad with the grounded, connected human nature that his role demands of him, but this requirement was too much for him to concede on. >>153656964>I don’t get why they needed to make such a big deal out of taking his bending.Because Ozai's bending is fundamental to his right to rule and control over the Fire Nation. It's his very honor. If Aang simply defeated Ozai and locked him up the war would still continue through guerilla warfare, even with Zuko on the throne and telling all Fire Nation soldiers to stand down. Aang had to defeat Ozai permanently to break the will of the Fire Nation's conquest. And the only ways to do that were to execute him or remove his bending, stripping him of his honor forever. >>153656968This is a cruel punishment that would lead Aang down a very controversial path as the Avatar, one that might even be subject to divine punishment by spirits unhappy with the evil nature of his decisions. Eliminating a threat is understandably necessary, torturing him is not.
>>153656964yeah it's not like his political power had anything to do with his bending just put him in prison what the fuck is he gonna, it's just nonsense to create a fake dilemna for Aang.
>>153656878>Hyped to be the only one able to stop him>Years long spiritual trip>Stops him in accordance with itHow is that a Deus Ex Machina?
>>153656968Exactl-Wait, what was that third part again?
>>153656968but why the fuck would someone whose against killing approve of such a cruel punishment, what's the point of being against killing then
>>153657047>yeah it's not like his political power had anything to do with his bendingBut it did, it had everything to do with his political power. The way Sozin changed the Fire Nation, and the way Azulon and Ozai ruled, might made right there. If your honor was insulted you could issue an Agni Kai, a duel of honor. The dishonored were cast out of Fire Nation society, exiled as pariahs. Zuko's the crown prince, but when he refused to duel his father he lost all his honor and was banished from the Fire Nation. When he assisted Azula at Ba Sing Se he regained his honor and was welcomed back.The Fire Lord made a challenge to the Avatar to claim more territory by declaring himself Phoenix King. The Avatar's honor had to be preserved through putting the rebellious Fire Lord in his place. Ozai needed to lose his honor for the rest of the Fire Nation to recognize his defeat, and only death or declawing could do that.
>>153656878>murderin no way is killing the firelord, an enemy combatant, murder
>>153657269It'd be considered an act of divine punishment for insulting the spirit of the world. The Avatar isn't justified in everything he does, but when he acts as representative of the world he is by default.
>>153656922we dont do brutality in avatar except that one time in s1 the bad guy got dragged screaming into the sea and drowned and the other time the lady got her own head exploded and probbably some other times
>>153657381And all the spirit bullshit toward people in the Wan episode
>>153657416We don't talk about that.
>>153657269>in no way is killing the firelord, an enemy combatant, murderYou and the fancomic are just refusing to engage with the show. Not to defend the show though, ATLA is basically like those hypothetical "killing baby hitler" scenarios that presume that Hitler is the center of the German hivemind and all you need to defeat fascism is kill its core. One would think that Hitler's historical incompetence would be enough for people to question this but I guess not.The question is posed how it's posed in the show because the Fire Lord is a visual representation of an oriental despot who rules the brainwashed helpless masses with an iron fist. It's a fantasy. Even attempting to reason within the logic of the show is suspect. All you can do is point out that its logic is bankrupt and state what it's distorting in the background. To do that, you first need to note that Ozai is just some guy, if he were really inconvenient to the aristocracy he would have been done in a long time ago. He has a base of support and killing him doesn't make them magically disappear or willingly acquiesce to Zuko. And, considering how things turn out between ATLA and TLOK with the formation of the "United Republic of Nations" (NATO), it's possible to read ATLA and TLOK together and conclude that Zuko only came into power smoothly because the Fire Nation had already completed its imperialist objectives and the Ozai base was increasingly becoming an inconvenience to the "moderates." The Avatar is an answer to their prayers since he liquidates the Ozai base externally without any risk on their part. Then they get to side with Zuko and establish more harmonious capitalistic relations with the subordinate nations after 100 years of looting. Korra actually makes this more convenient for imperialism by dividing the subordinate nations even further.
>>153656922>Torso that flies around by breathing fire out of its mouthI could swear I played a flash game like that once.
>>153657949>You and the fancomic are just refusing to engage with the show>i'm not though by randomly inserting far more complexity than the show ever demonstratedHey dipshit i don't give a fuck about the fire nation's politics i give a fuck only that faggots try to pretend that all killing is unjustifiable murder when it very clearly is not
Why do people pretend like the obvious reason Aang didn't kill Ozai is because Avatar was a TVY7 show, and Nick would not allow him to kill? Nick heavily advertised the finale of the show, and they were not ending it with the main character they sold toys of killing a guy. It's as simple as that.
>>153658148>Why do people pretend like the obvious reason Aang didn't kill Ozai is because Avatar was a TVY7 show, and Nick would not allow him to killbecause deluded manchildren refuse to accept their favorite childhood cartoon wasn't perfect
>>153658148This is a bit uncreative, there are many kid friendly metaphors for death. Aang could have thrown him in the legendary bottomless pit of doom or whatever.>>153658026>>i'm not though by randomly inserting far more complexity than the show ever demonstratedYou'd think that the racist hysterical reactions that people have on this site whenever someone draws an interracial couple kissing would dispel this stupidity but I guess it wouldn't, you could just say that they are irrational and overreacting. But all art and text are composed of sequences of social symbols. The meaning of these symbols is defined by their actual real significance in the world, otherwise TLOA is just light coming out of an electric box. It's one thing to not fully understand the metaphorical significance of "blood" but it's another thing to look at an image of a man washing blood off his hands and go "what the fuck does this have to do with guilt lol his hands are just dirty :)" "Saving the world" and "restoring balance" are similarly social "metaphors" with actual concrete meanings despite their seemingly simple representation. It's just that here there is something blocking your brain from recognizing this in words (even though you are able to recognize it in practice and emotional reaction, it's just never voiced out). That's what ideology is.
>>153657949>Hitler's historical incompetenceNice fanfic
>>153658167>>153658273Who you two are replying to? I hate strikethrough numbers you know. A horrible indication of a deleted post and shit.
>>153658302This post I made here. >>153658163 Which I deleted because I wrote "family" instead of finale. And despite the fact that I deleted it 60 seconds after posting, two people were already replying. A terrible curse.
>>153656922>Lets do something way more monstrous than MURDER just so we can say we didn't MURDER this person
>>153656878Aang just removed his ability to bend. Problem solved.
>>153658617Ability to bend doesn't necessitate the defeat of an army. The Earth King wasn't a bender, but still was in charge of Ba Sing Se's army, even if the Dai Li kept him in the dark about how bad things actually were.
>genocides the airbenders>aang has to let a bunch of crippled gypsies take over the air temples as his nation and culture are dead and he owes his existence to all (other) races so can't do anything even in memory of the air nation>resolution: I take away your magic power, I don't actually depose you or your nobility who are running your country, and this somehow ends the war>also this is in defence of a bunch of countries with autocratic rule and secret police who disappear and brainwash people>in fact more non-fire nation people have tried to kill you than fire nation at this point and no-one has learned anything despite you being their literal spiritual leader demigod>sequel series demolishes your entire theology>the current and first avatars are now selfish bitches and the show can't even get yin and yang rightCould have been worse, right?
