Imagine dying in a war, and your gf just kills your kid and only chance at a legacy.Jesus Christ
>>153663869No, a clump of undifferentiated cells is not a baby.
>>153663869Our misandrist culture allows women to steal a man's money, evict him from his own home without his signiture, and even kill his own babies. But a man who critiques that system in any way is dismissed for being "controlling".
>>153663908This is why I hate mankind. Too many shitty beta simps enable SHITTY women to do so much harm. Humans are colossally disappointing as a species. Hope the Earth is destroyed so humans die with it.
>>153663900Why don't you just abuse animals then if you have no sympathy to lesser organisms?Also Amoebas exist
>>153663869>only chance at a legacyHis legacy would be having a kid that's an even bigger shithead than Omniman, because he'd be raised by a single mother.
>>153664284Even if the child went full supervillain and joined the Viltrumites, it'd be better than having no child at all.
>>153664481Why?
>>153663900Yeah but it’s more alive than the rotting corpse of the man that inseminated her
>>153663869Well you shouldn't have gone to war then, if you're that worried about a legacy then why did you die? Why didn't you fight harder and survive?
>>153664659Because just as women belong in the kitchen, men belong bloodied and nameless on a battlefield
>>153664681So why should losers be allowed to have a legacy then
>>153664688Same reason that women loser deserve it because why not? Why do you believe in nothing but suffering and hopelessness?
>>153664696Because that's what you people believe in
>>153664696Hey man you want men to die on the battlefield without a name, the other anom wants them to have a family and spend time with them.It looks like you believe in suffering and hopelessness rather than him
>>153664711Women have had the right to vote for a century and the only thing you care about is killing your children. You don’t care about the economy or the environment or the infrastructure or education or the future, you’re just obsessed with the idea of declassifying human fetuses as alive
>>153664735The only thing men cares about is themselves
>>153664733No the anon wants women to be able to kill their healthy children on a whim, they don’t care about anything else. I’m just saying the nature of the working class is suffering and we can reduce that suffering by living each other and acknowledging each other. But we won’t and it’s really sad
don't they have a kid later?
>>153664741No, men can be so much more than your limited perception of them. But why bother to try and maintain a world where half of it believes that being in a family is oppression and that oppression is SOLELY the other half’s fault?
>>153664762Literally the next arc it’s a pointless whiplash
>>153664735Let’s impose the government having final say in controlling your dick and let’s see how much you like it.
>>153664777Men have been drafted into war in the times women have had the right to vote and every boy looking to exercise their right to vote has to sign their life away TO be drafted in case a war gets bad enough. What about their bodily autonomy? Oh right you don’t care about men being pushed into war because it’s more important that you be allowed to kill as well
>>153664764So men can be so much more but women can only be baby killers who smiles while killing said babies in your word.
>>153664808What? The best thing a man can be is a father and the best thing a woman can be is a mother. Why do you hate the idea of love and responsibility?
>>153663869it was such an untapped plotline it might as well have been cut completely.now imagine if instead of some throwaway cheap drama, the plot was that while Mark was away, Angstrom came back and attacked Earth by bringing evil versions of the other heroes (like the invincible wars)Eve had to join the fight because the evil Eves were beating everyone, but she couldn't because of her baby disrupting her powers.Cecil comes up with the idea to take the fetus out and put it into an artificial womb while Eve fights and then, give it back to her after it's over. (they certainly have the tech to do this).But during the fighting, Angstrom steals the fetus because his bosses want to use its cells to enhance themselves with vreater power. Turns out this was Angstrom's plan all along and the evil heroes were just a distraction.Now when Mark returns not only does he have a bine to pick with Cecil about Conquest, now he will also be responsible for losing his first child. The plot can be used to strengthen the relationship of Eve and Mark l, and also have Eve realise after losing the baby that she does in fact want to have a baby with Mark, so their next child doesn't just come out of nowhere with no reason (as is the case with their daughter in canon. Like come on, Eve doesn't want kids and gets an abortion, then suddenly changes her mind like 2 months later..)It much untapped potential to be something actually engaging.
>>153664830Sounds like a different kind of awful
>>153664830make it a miscarriagebing bang boomthey're both victimsbut in this case, mark is apologizing like a onions boy beta male cuck for eve killing his baby
>>153664801>Men have been drafted into war By other men. How about your take some personal responsibility for that?
>>153665271https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Feather_Campaign
>>153665271the irony
I swear every invincible thread is a /pol/ bait thread
>>153665271I feel great disgust at the audacity you have displayed in saying something so unequivocally false. Your superfluous idiocy crosses the line from being laughable to outright dangerous. The person you replied to brings up an inarguable point about men's bodily autonomy being taken away from them, and your response strips away the nuance of that point in a way which is hard to comprehend.Your statement goes as far to prove itself wrong.
>>153665277Women supporting men’s policies is bad now? Make up your mind
>>153665340Ah so you do agree after all that men shouldn’t control other people’s autonomy?
>>153665277>Admiral Charles Penrose-FitzgeraldDidn't know bingbong navy was so supportive of FtM trannies all the way back then
>>153665379holy retard
>>153663959not a " clump of undifferentiated cells " now are they
>>153663900>3 Weeks Post-Conception: Cardiac tissue begins to develop and pulse.Did you kill manage to kill yours before then?
>>153663869Sounds like an entitlement problem. It’s her body, not yours.
>>153663869Imagine not having a tantrum over abortiont. actual parent
>>153663869There is no worthwhile reason voluntary abortion should be legal.>It's just a clump of cells dudeSo are you and every other human>What about Bodily Autonomy The pregnancy only exists because of bodily Autonomy. >Contraceptives aren't 100% effectiveThat's why you use multiple methods. It's a risk you take having sex. If you are that scared than abstain from sex, you don't need it to live.>Fetuses can't think or feelAn embryo is capable of creating registered brain waves at 6 weeks of gestation. It reacts to outside stimuli prior to this and evades pain.>they aren't viable outside the wombAn infant is also not viable without support. A toddler will die without support. Not to mention all the other situations where people are at the behest of others and it is illegal to kill them such as medically indused comas.>There are too many poor people!We don't execute the poor or sterilize them. We don't purge the homeless for simply existing. This has always been a dumb argument and there are plenty of social programs both public and private that help low income families.>Rape and Threats to the mother's lifeThese aren't cases of voluntary abortion and account for less than 1% of all abortions. You want to talk about exceptions then be willing to compromise and illegalize voluntary aboritons.
>>153665687Ask your kid how they feel knowing you'd have murdered them if they were an inconvenience.>t. Good Parent
>>153665633How many people do you know who say they have a have big family with seven siblings but four of them are miscarriages/abortions? How many people hold memorials each year for miscarriages like they do for other close dead relatives? Do pregnant woman get charged admittance and other entry fees based on two people or three if they’re carrying twins?
>>153665743>An infant is also not viable without support.So why do republicans continuously cut food aid from poor families?
>>153665766Probably because the amount of fraud is unbelievably high as proven in Minnesota.
>>153665763>Do pregnant woman get charged admittance and other entry fees based on two people or three if they’re carrying twins?You do realize entry fees don't exist for infants and toddlers right?
>>153663869We get this thread constantly and I'd already heard all the arguments long before that. Comics? Cartoons?
>>153663869God we have 10 more years of posts like this
>>153665277>Chuds have been confusing private citizen campaigns with actually making people do things with the force of law for over 100 years
>>153665385Doesn't pregnancy only exist because of Women's autonomy?
How did the right lose the culture war so badly?
>>153663900No matter what cope you say, women know what they are doing is wrong
>>153665937Because they went full retard. Conservatives used to be respectable, young people are embarrassed to label themselves so now.
>>153665994But the leftists are retarded, too.
>>153665937Right wing zoomers aren't conservative, they're groypers.
>>153665937>surveywhy are leftists so retarded
>>153663869Why are American Christian zealots posting on a uzbek basket weaving forum about a comic book? You have your own fictional books to read.
>>153665743The only reason people think this way is they think a space wizard puts a bit of magic in every potential human when sperm meets an egg to instil it with a 'soul' a thing they made up in their book.
>>So are you and every other humanYes, but I am actually living, while the clump of cells isn't.Didn't read any further than that. Some people really just think that seeds are actual trees.
>>153665789Why do they get a free pass? What kind of commie bullshit is that when I have to pay and suffer from them making a racket?
>>153665937right wingers have a generally lower iq than left wingers, of course they'd lose the culture war
>>153666162Aw yes the>Humans have no intrinsic value and should be killed at my convenience Argument. Bold move cotton let's see if it pays off
>>153666105They mostly manage to be retarded in a more respectable way. It is an option.
>>153663869This is a true test of a women's loyalty in a relationship and her love for you.If she would do this because she doesn't want to risk having to 'raise a kid alone', then she doesn't actually love you.If she truly loved YOU, then she'd want to keep a piece of you in her life after you're gone, otherwise the logical next step if you die is she gets over you, moves on to someone else and has their kid instead.Pro abortionists who defend this specific 'inconvenience' argument seem to forget having a kid isn't just biology for humans, it is also an ultimate act of love, creating something one of a kind together, and if you prevent that you are inadvertently saying to the other person involved 'I do not value you enough to want a piece of you around if you're gone.'
>>153666452Yeah rape and incest babies are products of TRUE LOVE and if woman gets a miscarriage then that just proves your love is fake
>>153665586They're even simpler, they're just one cell
>>153666452The kid, anon. You don't want to raise a kid alone for the kid's sake. Anti-abortionists do seem to have this habit of forgetting about the welfare of the kid after it's born. Now, if you say that as soon as you're gone she should go and marry another man, and also that you would be happy to marry a woman pregnant with another man's child, I would disagree but respect the opinion.
>>153666514because orphanages and adaption don't exist, so it's better to kill them
>>153666468>moving the goalpostsNot an argument.The case presented by Invincible and Eve happens more than you think in the real world.-Women says she really loves man-Women gets pregnant by accident from said man-Says it would be 'inconvenient' to keep the babyIf the man puts his life on the line every day, like invincible, which many people do (firefighters, soldiers etc), then the only excuse the women has to say no is inconvenience, and that is still an implicit statement that she does not value you enough to want a piece of you around if you die, even if she does claim she loves you.>>153666514This is a modern take that forgets for most of human history life was suffering and well-being wasn't always guaranteed, you are giving excuses for something that is a part of the experience of being alive, it isn't always pretty, but love is 'supposed' to transcend that. People who love each other find a way. Also plenty of people purposefully have children when they know they can't really support them, so your point is moot.
>>153663900Soo why did Eve look guilty? She killed the baby
>>153666557>have children when they know they can't really support themAnd those people are retarded or third-world brownoids
>>153666557>a child is just a memento of someone who’s deadNever become a parent
>>153666557>for most of human history life was suffering and well-being wasn't always guaranteed, you are giving excuses for something that is a part of the experience of being aliveSo you don't, actually, care about the suffering or well-being of the kid. Figured. Good of you to admit so, I guess.
>>153666579And yet those brownoids have more responsibility than stacy by actually living with the consequences of their actions. Funny that.
>>153666579Married couples have abortions all the time because they can’t handle the financial burden
>>153666610>stacyAh. So you're never even going to have a child and this is all hypothetical to you.
>>153666596Oh it's this faggot again. You're that fucking simp that doesn't want to deal with the responsibility of having sex so you claim everyone else is morally lower than you. Which is hilarious coming from the hypocrite thar thinks women are too fucking dumb to live with the consequences of their actions while simultaneously saying you respect them to make their own decisions. Fuck off dude you are a literal psychopath.
>>153666638I actually am a DadWanna try again?
>>153666579>>153666593>>153666596It is beyond funny seeing anons on 4chan who will never have kids argue for the right of a women to kill their kids for whatever reason they like.Sex has consequences, don't want kids? Don't have sex, simple as. Birth control has only existed for half a century, you can CHOOSE not to have sex, just as much as you can CHOOSE to kill yourself, because your mothers could have aborted you and you wouldn't be here right now, and we'd all be better off for it.
>>153666644>that doesn't want to deal with the responsibility of having sexWhy would I want to deal with kids? If I can have sex and avoid making my life harder, then I will do it.
You stupid fucking faggots spent an entire decade and then some constantly shitting on younger generations of children to the point of filling up the entire goddamn site every single fucking day flailing around screaming BOOMERZOOMERDOOMERYOOMEBLOOMERPOOGOOMBLER only to pivot around and pretend to be anti-abortion, go fucking kill yourselves.
>>153666651>I actually am a Dad
>>153666644I don't know who "that fucking simp" might be and can't speak to his opinions, but caring about the welfare of a child is a fairly common attitude and there are many people on 4chan. Do you have a non ad hominem response?
>>153666678but if i don’t have boomzoom i have no identityi’m a collectivist that's easily brainwashed into cults teehee
>>153666651Does your wife also use the term "stacy", and do you resent her? Just curiosity at this point.
>>153666712Am I not allowed to use slang? Shit my wife and I use the term Based constantly
>>153666754>A married man with a kid being on 4chans /co/ board in the year of our lord 2026Either you're lying, or you do not belong here.If I were in that position, the last thing I would ever be doing is going online to social sites like this.
>>153666678>Makinf fun of dumb teenagers means you want to murder babiesLolwut?
>>153666779>Noooo you can't go on a site you like as a married man with children!Why not? Do you really think you'll stop posting on 4chan if you have kids?
>>153663900You should tell that to any women who start naming their babies before they are born.
>>153666678>>153666787Kinda funny that people can't pull out the zoomer card as a way to autowin because they've bunkered down on a point that would make it completely contradictoryAnyway, I think it's genuinely weird how 4chan actually turned into a sincere child-hating site for many years now and you're not supposed to talk about it, like even now you always seem some random dude having unprompted meltdowns over zoomies and younger whining about le worst generation, the world is fucked, total zoomer death, etc. and spending 24/7 going mental because young people actually happen to exist that it feels like nobody would've believed this shit if you told this to 2015-era or earlier 4chan, that this place would sincerely become the male equivalent of crazy cat ladies (and the worst part is that according to the site's advertising page the US is less than 50% of the site's total traffic anyway, so most of this shit isn't even coming from actual American people to boot)
>>153666848You're literally the only one brining up Zoomers unprompted my dude. Not to mention the fact your comparing apples and oranges with your analogies. You can easily think some younger generations are fucktards while also caring about actual children. Zoomies haven't been kids for a long while.
>>153663869Seeing your potential baby that'll eventually grow into its own human being separate from you as "your legacy" seems egotistical
>>153666754Yeah but it's some pretty culture-specific slang.
>>153666872>Zoomies haven't been kids for a long while.you say that but every time people here post that curly-haired white kid it just reaffirms that neo-nu-current-4chan is really mentally beefing with high schoolers and younger in their heads
>>153666818That's... not how that works. Hell I was named before I was conceived. A lot of people were.
>>153666902It really isn't that specific. Everyone knows what a chad and a stacy are.
>>153666878I once hears the phrase 'Having a baby is selfish, being a good parent is selfless.'Having a baby is inherently a selfish desire, it's biology, it's nature, it's a selfish need to propagate and survive.It's what comes after that matters, how you raise the baby, what you give up for it, how you treat it and educate it and the love you show it.There is nothing in this world more satisfying or fulfilling than raising a good kid.
do you guys even like your parents
>>153666957Well, yeah, I know what the words mean. But it's incel shit, it's odd that an ostensibly happily married father is casually tossing it off.
>>153666965OK but what if you raise your kid to the best of your ability and he becomes your average channerLike at what year is an abortion too late. 18? 21?
>>153663900Potentiality means its murder. Women know what they are doing. Very few women will do anything more important than birth children in this life. Vicious psychopaths one and all.
>>153663869>and only chance at a legacyInvincifags would rather die than read the books
>>153663924Just because you haven't fucked? Jeez
>>153667137>I'm morally opposed to abortion>Also, I hate womenMany such cases
>>153667156Invincifags are just westoid jujutsufags
>>153663869This is the least of this show's worries. Invincible is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and Homersexuals
>>153667201>Homer out of NOWHERE
>>153663869If Mark, Nolan, and Oliver died Mark's kid would have been the only hope Earth had of combating the remaining Viltrumites and she aborted it lol.
another thread of newsmax puppeteering 4chan's rotting corpse
>>153663869Ask a pro-lifer if America should have tighter gun control to protect the very same kids once they're out of the womb and watch them meltdown
>>153667422Same goes if you suggest free school lunches for children, making access to food stamps easier, universal childcare, etc. Suddenly we go from save the children to fuck the kids.
>>153667422>Kids killed by guns last year2500This includes teenagers and gang related homicides which greatly skews the data btw>babies killed via abortion last year1.1 millionWhich seems like the larger concern for someone worried about kids?
>>15366748857% ot people on food stamps are obese. Perhaps there is an issue with the program.
>>153667504realistically we should deal with both but it would make you brown nigerian grifters really sad and frustrated
>>153667504>1.1 milliondo you guys really care when most of those are black and latino
i remember seeing that conquest and oliver image but with eve as conquest and a fetus as oliver does someone have it?
>>153667504I agree. With the exception of teenagers apparently not being kids, that's a bit fucked up.Why and how did the USA become so concerned about abortion? You weren't always. You aren't Catholics, mostly. Explain it to me?
>>153667518And almost half of all adults in the country are obese. It has nothing to do with the food stamps program, which is already extremely strict in what it allows you to get.
>>153663869It's a good things she's a permanent thorn on Mark's side for the rest of eternity. He deserves it for being a cuck
>>153667569Couldn't the same question be made in regards to gun deaths?
>>153667600A 17 year old getting killed in a gang shoot out in which he is an active participant is a lot different than a 5 year old killed in a school shooting.
>>153667646well yeah lmao, don’t know why you guys are kicking up such a fuss
>>153667355If Mark lost, the Viltrumites would have taken over Earth immediately and done the abortion themselves
>>153663900If a farmer inseminated a cow, and you kill her, you have to pay for the cow and the calt of that season.your argument is invalid.
>>153667711Not what I asked though.
>>153667937If men strive and hurt a woman with child, such that her fruit depart from her, he shall be fined as the judges determine. But if further misfortune follows, it shall be life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth.
>>153667849>taken over to make more viltrumites>abort the first born vitrumite you can watch be born and growYou don’t really know what we’re talking about do you?
>>153663900Nah most scientist agree babies start at conception. But then yeah Eve probably wouldnt have been able to raise the baby correctly. It would have been to powerful for anyone to reasonably train stand Eve didnt want it to just be born as a weapon so she killed it. I kinda get it but then again it brings up the greater good argument and value of life. Is a life as a weapon with 0 choice better than never being born at all? Would the baby just go crazy from the stress and take over the planet? I get Debbie could help raise it a bit but without another viltumite to keep its power in check it would likely not work out. The planet could also just be attacked before the baby is fully grown and not Thragg has a super viltumite he can use or just kill because the baby couldnt get to it peak in time. The way it was presented in the show and comic are kinda bad but when you think about it you can see the logic. I personally wouldnt do it but it isnt a typical pregnancy with many morally grey implications on both sides.
>>153667600We aborted 30% of the last generation and right now the last 10 years has been dedicated to importing in people endlessly because “we need more workers” which we do know is bullshit since everything is getting more automated. But it’s a procedure that gets worse the more you think about it and just a perfect example of how the modern world has pushed us to the point of abandoning the future
>>153668911>Nah most scientist agree babies start at conceptionLOL
>>153669016So that's the reason? Hand to heart? And your compatriots would also swear so? It's not a trick question.
>>153668824The baby would be of both a traitorous AND weak defeated bloodline. Its existence would have been a crime.
>>153669171I have no idea what other people think, that’s just what I think >>153669224Considering that Cecil seemed to have no idea she was pregnant and you know for a fact that he would’ve been the first one to tell her to stop since the infant would’ve been an asset there’s no reason to think the coming vitrumites would’ve even assumed mark had any kids or known who eve was
>>153669329They’d kill her nevertheless as a superpowered opposition or if they knew she was close to the traitor. Conquest probably told them about her and that she would have to be put down for either reason.
>>153667600The Abortion issue has existed for a long time. The longest protest in American history was the annual march for life which protested the ruling on Roe v. Wade. Not to mention European Abortion laws are actually far more strict than what most US states are.
>>153669577Roe v. Wade was what, seventies? The USA are protestants. Largely anyway. It used to be a "popish" sentiment. It seems to have appeared in your culture for, I hate to say this but, other reasons. Or am I talking crap?
>>153663869>legacyYou are so unable to cope with your own death or non-existence that you invent the concept of persisting after death in a theoretical child. Every aborted child is you, your ego existing before birth, and every aborted child is also you, your legacy, your ego persisting beyond death. If you don't a lady to abort your low quality genetics then don't dump your spermatoza on her. If you don't want to be a father or pay child support then get a vasectomy. Show some self restraint and stop giving away your cum for free because you are signing those alimony paycheck everytime you climax.
>>153669988Saying only Catholics care about abortion is like saying only black people cared about abolition. I don't get why you think Protestants or even secular people wouldn't also be against abortion.
>>153669988Protestants rip off Catholics for issues or aesthetics that can be politically useful all the time
>>153665271Whaaaat? Noo women are the cause of all men's suffering!
>>153667504>Which seems like the larger concern for someone worried about kids?I would say the fully formed, living, breathing, conscious child that got their brains blown out for nothing more than being at the wrong place at the wrong time would take precedence over a soup that people can’t even agree is alive yet but that’s just me
>>153670200Only legitimate retards who don't understand biology would ever assume an embryo isn't alive. Argue whether the fetus deserves to live but don't come at anyone with that bullshit that they aren't alive.
>>153670231Arguing with rightoids is near impossible because they’ll completely sidestep your point and zero in on a minor point instead
>>153670147Well. I don't want to be a dick about this, but it's because you weren't. Then it became a thing where you are.
>>153670130Why is the idea of our biological Imperative such an alien concept to you? Literally the OBLY REASON WE’RE HERE is to procreate, regardless if you believe in god or not. Every other animal gets that, I have no problem with women getting abortions if the fetus is unviable or if their are extenuating circumstances, but the assumption that the ONLY solution for the unwanted is murder is depressing especially when you unwilling to give the benefit of the doubt to the future but constantly and consistently give the benefit of the doubt to strangers.
>>153670315>the OBLY REASON WE’RE HERE is to procreateCan we cut this tedious shit and continue with the side discussions?
>>153670147Basically close to zero secular people are anti-abortion. It more or less requires a religious belief in the soul appearing at conception.
>>153663900https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unborn_Victims_of_Violence_Act
>>153670289What fucking point dipshit? That kids happen to die in this other rare circumstance so that invalidates any sort of criticism of abortion? How dare you bitch about any sort of misdirection when your entire argument has no fucking bearing on discussion at hand. That's your basic ass Non-Sequitur fallacy and you're acting like its some sort of gotcha when it isn't.
>>153670380>you need to believe in a soul to believe that a human fetus is aliveWhat?
>>153670380You don't need to be religious to believe a person has the right to live
>>153670380Yes but flaunting secularism has never won anybody over in my experience.
>>153663869Honestly I'd respect Kirkman of instead of aborting it, the baby came out prematurely after recognizing the threat and blew up the operating room. Even for Ennis Edgery, he knew what would happen to girl preggo with a Supe-Clone.
>>153670416>>153670421Not what I said, no one says an embryo or foetus isn't alive, like no one says a carrot isn't alive. Thats a typical slight of hand of the religious, arguing 'living' but meaning something else entirely. An embryo lacks personhood, it has no experience, autonomy or identity. You need to believe in a soul to think a dual celled organism is a fully identified 'person'
>>153670636Honestly the more the conversations go on the more I believe that feminism was a bourgeois plot to divide and destroy the working class by showing the men how easy it is to get women to destroy any hope for the future right in front of them. It’s an entire identity dependent on the idea that men, and only men apparently, are oppressors that have no say in the world outside of the violence you need us to create to support this horror show of a societyBecause in all honesty how is it possible to make a better work when we have half of the world blaming the other half for the actions of governments and corporations?
>>153670636dehumanizing a clump of cells that will become a person in a healthy pregnancy is psychotic regardless of religious or spiritual beliefs.All bacteria are clumps of cells, some are good some are bad, some we destroy so they don't kill us, others we know help us.n embryo and subsequently fetus will under healthy circumstance 100% become a human, the argument you make is effectively the same one people make about baby Hitler, 'Would you kill them before they become a problem? Before they become something we know they are going to become?' You can argue the reason is sound, but it is still heavily fucking immoral.
>>153670692>psychotic regardless of religious or spiritual beliefs." I think >>153670692 is showcasing that a lot more strongly that someone who's pro choice...>>153670717>dehumanizing a clump of cells that will become a person in a healthy pregnancy is psychotic regardless of religious or spiritual beliefs.I'd argue humanizing a clump of cells that could become a person is more concerning if you don't have a religious get out clause claiming they have a magic soul. You're putting a potential future ahead of a real person, and I'm guessing you're doing it because you just don't like women.
>>153663900Then women shouldn’t cry over miscarriages
>>153670796>humanizing a potential and soon to be human is concerning That sounds about right coming from you
>>153670315Cool story, breeder.
>>153670796>I'd argue humanizing a clump of cells that could become a person is more concerningAnthropomorphizing things is a natural phenomenon. People anthropomorphize their pets all the fucking time. So anthropomorphizing a thing that has a good chance of becoming an actual person really isn't terribly unreasonable.
>>153663924You make a point but relax dude kek
>>153670717NTA. Couldn't you just, y'know, fuck off? You can't make a valid argument.You can't make an argument even worthy of valid rebuttal. You don't understand what an argument that needs valid rebuttal even entails. It's tiresome.
>>153670926Sounds more like you can't make an effective rebuttal
>>153670796>You're putting a potential future ahead of a real personOkay, so you are purposefully missing the point.I am not Pro or Anti abortion, I am a reasonable human being that is grateful to be alive, and realizes that every abortion (or miscarriage) is a TRAGEDY, a deeply sad loss of potential life that should be mourned and treated with respect. That doesn't mean they aren't necessary sometimes (rape, a threat to the mother), but they should never ever be casualized.>>153670845>Cool story, living creature like me and every other thing alive on this planet right now
>>153670410>What fucking point dipshit?My point is that your concern for kids seems to end once they breach the vagina. The number one thing killing actually formed, fully realized human kids is gun violence and you don't care but a soup of cells that haven't formed into anything yet being aborted before it becomes a living thing for reasons you'll never understand gets you whipped up into a frenzy. It's hypocrisy.
>>153670981>but they should never ever be casualizedNTA but I dunno if you've ever met someone who had a miscarriage or an abortion but it's never anything casual to them so you don't have anything to worry about and you don't need to keep arguing
>>153670984Perhaps it's easier to control an elective medical procedure than solving violent crime. And there are ways to solve violent crime just as well, but neither side of the political spectrum wants to acknowledge what a holistic approach to that would entail.
>>153670945That would be a good claim in an actual argument and I'd have to put up or shut up but I'm just so tired. I don't care.
>>153670984Compared to abortion, gun violence is a negligible cause of child death in America.
>>153671047Then why are you here? To pretend you have a superior position that you're simply too weary to demonstrate? Go get some sleep, tired man.
>>153670984>the number one thing killing people is gun violenceWhat are you talking about? Drug use, car accidents and medical errors are more prevalent causes of death are gun violence. But at the heart my personal annoyance with that argument is that their isn’t a solution to end the suffering you just think it’s wrong that people should be born into this, and I could agree but I think that the only way OUT of this is to give people a future to fight for, and what’s the point of fighting if their is no future? It’s a dragon eating its tail argument and there is no actual solution outside of the people smart enough passionate enough and girded enough to make these decisions to make the world better. But being dragged down to a point where we accept that their is no getting better and the most humane solution is to stop people from growing is pretty horrifying in general.
>>153671016I can't even pretend you haven't just outed yourself.Do you even know what you've just implicitly admitted?If women treated abortion seriously, that would mean they take the fetus seriously as a potential life that they are killing what would otherwise become a baby, making it a sad and tragic thing as the anon said.
>>153671038>Perhaps it's easier to control an elective medical procedure than solving violent crimeObviously not since abortion has been a hot button topic for decades
>>153671145And violent crime hasn't been an even bigger hot button topic for longer?
>>153671085You know what, you're not wrong. I won't even take a parting shot.
>>153671110>If women treated abortion seriously, that would mean they take the fetus seriouslyIf you really think women are strolling into abortion clinics and then skipping on their way out with a giant smile on their face singing jimmy crack corn then, my friend, you're the one who's ousted themself as not only never talking to a woman but never having any sort of genuine social interaction with another human being
>>153671171Why would women care about getting an abortion if they knew it was just a clump of cells no different than a tumor? Shouldn't they be elated? How do you explain this discrepancy to yourself?
>>153671092>there is no actual solution outside of the people smart enough passionate enough and girded enough to make these decisions to make the world betterI noticed you left out the word 'empathy' in your rant there, that seems to be the general problem. You're forcing YOUR beliefs about a subject that you yourself will never actually be in. You'll never be pregnant so actually having an abortion is something you'll never have to experience but YOU should decide when they're done?
>>153671171You can't have your cake and eat it too you cretinEither it matters or it doesn't, if a fetus is just a clump of cells, it can't be a big deal to get rid of them.You are a hypocrite and you can't even see it.
>>153671231Isn’t that the other side of it to you’re right that I’ll never understand the pain of being pregnant, but you’ll never understand the pain of being uncertain that the child is yours. And right now France has allowed abortion but it’s banned paternity tests, so where is the empathy there? Yes the world is awful, literally the world is run by pedophile genocidal Zionists rapists, and it’s not even fun to say that anymore because that’s just a matter of public record now. But I do believe that we can make a better world out of this, it’s just hard and requires children to grow into the adults that can pick up the pieces of the fall. It’s downright cruel anon, but that pain can come love and genuine peace. Once again I ask, how can anyone believe in a better future, if we simply can’t believe in ourselves to help make it and the children than will grow into it?
>>153663869my problem is WHY Mark had to apologize if he really had nothing to do, he was in a literal war god dammit, I know writers wanted to make him sympathetic from the go, but not knowing how to react would had been a more real reaction, he's not mad a her but confused because HE JUST CAME FROM A FUCKING WAR
>>153671230Goddamn its hard to argue with autists because they just don't grasp the range of human emotions. Legally speaking abortion isn't murder because what's being aborted isn't a person. However, and I know you don't want to hear this, women are human beings and they have feelings themselves. Abortion isn't a situation people are happy to be in. It's a hard decision where there's really no good choice and you have to pick the lesser of the two. It's easy for you to sit up in your ivory tower and judge because you will never ever be in that situation. You have no womb and can never get pregnant. Abortion is something that will never affect you. You're talking about someone who may want a kid but can not take care of one now (mostly because you people keep voting in Republicans but whatever). Or maybe it's someone who's already built a nursery and was excited but now the pregnancy's gone bad and she has no other choice. You'll never know what it's like so stop judging people who do
>>153671297>but you’ll never understand the pain of being uncertain that the child is yours.>wah wah wah what about MEN?! Why does no one consider OUR FEELINGS?!Fuck right off.
>>153671253>other human beings aren't black and white automatons like me who can only have one emotionNo wonder you people idolize Rorschach and can't grasp why he's a deeply flawed character
>>153671354Holy shit you are the worst kind of simp
>>153671354We’re having a conversation about empathy and you just showed that you have a genuine hatred for the other half of the species, and you’re mad at the other half of the species because the media you consume told you that you’re more important than your children and you should kill them at a moments inconvenience. Yes the world sucks but how can a better world happen when their is no future for the people being told to fight for it?
If it means making chuds seethe eternally im for abortions
>>153671336So the only possible thing you can imagine that would explain that discrepancy is that she was excited to have the baby, but then changed her mind, so now she's sad? This is what you meant by women taking abortion seriously? The implications it will have on her interior remodeling?
>>153671388>you have a genuine hatred for the other half of the species,No, it's just fucking retarded to compare "not knowing if you're the father" to carrying the actual baby. It's just bullshit men come up with to try and match what women go through during pregnancy. You can easily find out if you're the father, there's over the counter paternity tests and even like three daytime talk shows you could go to. It's not at all comparable to what a woman goes thru having the fetus grow inside her.
>>153671336Cool and all but a woman can't get pregnant without a man. Saying men shouldn't have a say is fucking retarded. That's like saying only gun owners have a right to discuss gun control or only Rapists can discuss rape legislation.
>>153663900wasted dubs and fpwpanyway, what irks me is that if you said this to a woman who had a miscarriage, youd be the worst dude ever, yet they also see it as a valid abortion argument.
>>153671414>explain that discrepancy is that she was excited to have the baby, but then changed her mind, so now she's sad?>what are pregnancies that can kill the mother if carried to termAre you 12 or just retarded?
>>153671320He apologized because he felt bad for her. Yeah, I also don't think people should apologise for things not their fault, it doesn't help, but holy shit how do you not get it.
>>153671297> it’s just hard and requires children to grow into the adults that can pick up the pieces of the fallRealistically if anyone honestly believed this they'd shoot themselves immediately, because right now the adults have been saddling kids with generational debt through siphoning income, pension scams so that some boomer retard can sip margaritas on a plague ship and more.None of the 'anti-abortion' retards are willing to make the proper sacrifice and start taking away funds from the old so that the newer generations can actually get a foothold. It's all so they can saddle people with more and more debt and pay for their retirement.
>>153671414>>153670289
>>153671478>what are pregnancies that can kill the mother if carried to termSuper rare shit that's like refusing to get in a car out of fear of a fatal car crash.
>>153663869>only chance at a legacy>only chance
>>153671457And being pregnant is nothing compared to going to war and being forced to kill for survival even if you surviving is the only “positive” thing to kill for. Empathy is a two way street, I’m sorry that pregnancy can be tough and I believe many women are more than tough enough to go through it. But if you genuinely have no capability of considering what it would feel like to raise a child that turns out to not be yours because the one you trusted betrayed you, then you have no right to demand empathy
>>153663869>I was afraid so I had an abortionafraid of what exactly?
>>153671465>but a woman can't get pregnant without a man. Saying men shouldn't have a say is fucking retardedMen aren't the ones carrying the thing inside their body that will forever alter that body and potentially kill them. If they were we wouldn't even be having this discussion because you could get an abortion at ATMs but because you view women as second class citizens here we are
>>153663869She didn't kill any kid, she had an abortion.And pregnancy is something that literally put the live of the mother at risk. Never blame someone for not wanting to risk their live.
>>153665743the only possible argument for abortion is when it threatens the mothers life. Rape is not an argument, you cant punish person a because of a crime of person b because it impacts person c.
>>153670289Irony
>>153671539That's why I don't shower. Everytime I get in I'm risking my life with one slip.
>>153671498>I don't want to think about that because it knocks a huge hole in my beliefs so I'm going to pretend it's super rare
>>153663869Would Kid Eve do the same?
>>153671539>And pregnancy is something that literally put the live of the mother at risk.saying to a fucking super hero...
>>153671540Counterpoint, the rapist doesn't deserve to have his genes carried on.
>>153671524>But if you genuinely have no capability of considering what it would feel like to raise a child that turns out to not be yours because the one you trusted betrayed you, then you have no right to demand empathyDamn, if only there was a procedure that could prevent that from happening
>>153670984You are autistic
>>153671540>that sucks your fifth grade teacher raped you little Susie but life begins at conception so your 12 year old body must now carry to term the baby of the man who raped you
>>153671552Any reasonable abortion restrictions carve out exceptions for if the mother's life is in danger
>>153671492>you men are responsible for the actions of corporations and governments and that’s why women aren’t responsible for their actions Come on anon, I agree that the last EIGHTY YEARS has been dedicated to doing shit now and figuring out how to pay for it later and later was 2008. But talker doesn’t mean that their is no future or that their nothing to fight for, it actually reinforces that the future is the ONLY thing we actually have to fight for because theirs fuck all in the present that makes life worth living
>>153671489NTA but it's just impossible to relate. Mark doesn't get mad for even a second, he just is fine with her aborting.Is it even possible to get pregnant unless you do it on purpose? Feels like they had a lot of unprotected sex because they wanted this to happen and now she decides for both of them the baby has to die
>>1536715520.022% of reported live births end in death of the mother. For reference the chance od dying in a car crash is 1%
>>153671574So you just have no actual empathy and genuinely believe that men are nothing more than the enemy. Thats really sad anon
>>153671606Empty platitudes is not an argument. It just means you're detached from reality.
>>153666848i think thats because of the influx of election tourists, primarily republicans and maga. Things like qanon or r/thedonald(and its ban) flooded this site with unironic boomers who have all these kind of retarded opinions. Just like tumblr has retarded uber marxists, 4chan has retarded american boomers who think theyre a main character from a taylor sheridan show.And I say this as a uber mega supporter from a certain german political party(not saying more because im kinda afraid of palantir n shit and being one of them is illegal in my cunt)
>>153666452It is strange to me. Like if you like someone enough to spend your time with them to the point you wish to have a child woulnd that child be the most closest, strongest connection to the person you just lost? I know its written by a guy who had to come up with stories that make the viewers onions face from time to time due to twists and turns but come one now.
>>153671632So you just ignore the reality of the world to blame your neighbor. I really hope you’re just a tranny
>>153671489his apologize feel more like 'I should've be here' instead of 'Im so sorry'not having problem with him feeling for her but forcing a drama and don't having to guts to do a minimum of conflict between the parts is a pussy move
>>153671611>Is it even possible to get pregnant unless you do it on purpose?Yes. What? Get a clue and come back.
>>153663869Truly would be funnier if mark did die so now the only thing she has to remember him by is dead too. So called love of her life and his bloodline ended because she felt down one day.
>>153671671When my neighbor is a rich asshole in a McMansion that's getting paid with my money and then trying to tell me what I can or cannot do? Absolutely. Grow a spine you loser and stop pretending like you're a smartass.
>>153671689it wasn't really a question. The chances are very very low. Either Mark didn't wear protection or Eve didn't take the pill. But that's not what the show tells you. So again, either they are retarded and didn't take care, or they wanted this to happen and Eve is retarded. Both outcomes means Eve is retarded
>>153671728Every argument you’ve had has been empty platitudes and this is the topper. I’m not talking about you’re actual neighbor I’m talking about the genders being put to each others throats over empty media bullshit and that women seem to ALWAYS side with the powerful against men (their neighbor) and bitches like you also believe they should side with the powerful against their own children. Women are the boomers of gender
>>153671566>sins of the father>>153671597...yeah? Life begins at conception, sure it sucks regarding the circumstances but things like this will happen regardless of anything, humans are just evil like that. You have a problem with requiring little girls to carry the baby to term because abortion is murder, take it up with nature, not with me. Reality isnt how you want it to be.
>>153671629>believe that men are nothing more than the enemyYes anon. If that makes you feel better. I know how bad your type get off on male persecution so if that's what it'll take for you to get your nut yes, men are evil total male death, that satisfying for you? Get your masochist kick?
>When should abortion be allowed?When the child is not white
>>153671774>I’m talking about the genders being put to each others throats over empty media bullshitThey're being put to their throats because of the rich assholes, which you seem to agree with>women seem to ALWAYS side with the powerful against menWho is running this country? Women or men? Retard.>bitches like you also believe they should side with the powerful against their own childrenNo, I believe that you and the rest of you assholes should stay the fuck out of my family decisions. If I decide to have an abortion and my wife agrees because of any number of issues, you don't deserve a say in it just because you're stealing my money.
Abortion should be allowed to make right wingers mad
>>153671782>You have a problem with requiring little girls to carry the baby to termIt says something that I genuinely can't tell if you're being sincere or trolling
>>153671801I get off to it less than you get off to dehumanizing your children so that’s something. But hey who needs tomorrow right? There’s nothing to fight for anyway so just live and empty life because Amazon has enough stuff to fill that hole
>>153671741I said>Get a clue and come backNot "come back immediately and talk". What am I your local bartender?
>>153671828NTA but you sound like you get pegged by women. I can't imagine a man like you actually managing to penetrate anything that isn't yourself.
>>153671832Welcome to 4chan, may I take your order?
>>153671852anon, I already got a clue before coming to this thread. You are just too autstic to realize the very slim chance to get pregnant ike that should even be considered part of the discussion, it was a rhetorical question... nevermind, I will just call you retarded
>>153671832again anon, yeah it sucks, but just because its horrifying for the girl doesnt mean the child can be punished for a crime its not responsible. You cant compare abortion with anything else because its entire unique.Let me ask you this: If you were the product of a rapist and a little girl, and you traveled back in time, would you tell your mother to abort you?
>that time leftoids were trying to convince you the fetus was actually a parasyte so it was ok to kill itthere is nothing more satanic in this world than them
>>153671944It is pretty fucking evil. You have to remember that 90% of people are mentally stunted. Not sure how we fix things, but it's probably going to take generations.
>>153671944That’s the thing that always got me, I can understand arguments for abortions we can all imagine the horrible things that could lead to a pregnancy that could make women not want it. But this whole thing of calling the result of our biological imperative a parasite is just so… awful.
>>153671944Satan's not real. Hope that helps!
>>153671838>There’s nothing to fight for anyway so just live and empty life because Amazon has enough stuff to fill that holeMaybe if you stopped voting assholes into office who are purposefully making things worse and harder for the average American just because they're "anti-woke" then maybe Joe and Jane American would feel more comfortable bringing a child into the world. As it stands now there's no guarantee there'll even be an America in fifty years and if there is who knows what it'll be like? CEOs seem to be all in on putting everyone out of work in favor of AI. Cost of living keeps skyrocketing and wages aren't keeping up even at a laughable rate. Bulletproof child's backpacks are unironically a thing. Why would I bring a child into this shit show? I'm a minority who's more concerned about things like cost of living than whether or not black people are in movies apparently so things are just going to get worse. You can keep pumping out babies but if that's what society is what's the point?
>>153663869Dude, it's just a comic and a cartoon. This discussion reminds me of the guy who kept going on about foreskins on the Silent Hill wiki.
>>153672053and you are doing an awfull job at keep that statement true
>>153671924>If you were the product of a rapist and a little girl, and you traveled back in time, would you tell your mother to abort youYeah, because it's really fucked to force something like that on a literal child.
>>153671658It’s mostly that the entertainment industry is just that bad that they don’t even pretend to be artists or entertainers anymore. They’re just propagandists supporting a system that fights for nothing more than the continuation of the system and that means demonizing and demoralizing the population against themselves each other and their children
>thinly veiled abortion /pol/bait thread goes up in the dead hours of burgerlandAlways suspicious.
>>153672044Anon, the whole reason they say it's a parasite is to justify the horrible action of killing their offspring. Obviously pregnancy is awful and women can't stand it. If it's not a child, but an evil invading thing, then they can have an abortion without any of the guilt. That's the whole point of all of this.
>>153672054>maybe if men stopped voting for the puppet with THAT colored tie and voted for the puppet whose tie is the color I agree with you could stop being chudsYou really have no comprehension of the world as it stands do you? You don’t actually see the people, you just see the hopelessness you have and assume that the only thing that can be done is succumb to itThere is no voting our way out of this anon, there is no boycott or protest out of this. I push for children to be born because the best way through is for the working class to rise up and fight and there is NOTHING for those men to fight for if women don’t have children. It’s not perfect but that’s the deal, men tear down and build in the hopes that the women can build with them. But if you think that all we have to do is get pro Jewish blue tie fuck then there is no real hope, because you believe in the system just as much as any trumper believes in Trump
>>153672073esl or unfortunate stroke?
>>153672078anon, you do realize youd die from that?
>>153672084has been the case ever since the "creation" of entertainment. now that simply jumpstarted into overdrive because we live in the most demonic times of all time, so while before the output of art to propaganda was like 30/70, its now 1/99 being generous
Eve has powers that change things at an atomic level. She could have simply used her powers to end the pregnancy.She chose to do the aborto-doctor thing simply because she wanted some sympathy points and to rub it in Mark's face.
>>153672405I think she couldn't alter organic life unless she wasn't doing it consciously
>>153672145>I push for children to be born because the best way through is for the working class to rise up and fight and there is NOTHING for those men to fight for if women don’t have childrenThis sounds more like you're wanting more children to feed the Israeli war machine than anything else. This whole 'men won't rise up and fight the system because women aren't having their children' is completely out of touch with reality
It's been a month and chuds are still mad
>>153672480No I want kids because they are by definition the future and if we’re going to get out of this shit we need hope in SOMETHING good.
>>153672568Okay well most people aren't keen on the idea of having children to create soldiers for revolution, most people want their children to have a better future than they did. If the future looks grim people are less likely to want to have their child grow up in that grim future
>>153672657Then there is no future
>>153672672So it's not your responsibility to build a better future, it's the future generations to clean up our mess. How very boomer of you.
>>153672758We build for them to build more, but you’re right there’s no hope and nothing to fight for
>>153672782What we built was the widest berth between the haves and have nots in this country's history and the politicians you vote in will gleefully spit in your face if you ask for help but you'll smile when they do because they're "anti-woke".
>>153663900BAY-ZED and objectively irrefutably TRUE. MAGAniggers (or GOYCATTLE, as I like to call them) eternally sneeding. Facts dont care about your feelings keky
>>153663900true. i'm pro choicebut her reasoning is shit and everyone knows it. life and death is about using logic, not your fee feez.she was a super hero that can create things out of nothing. there would never be a time where the child didn't have food and sheltershe has super hero friends, regular friends and regular family that would help raise the kidthe government would pay for childcare if she needed itthe kid would possibly grow up to be a superhero and save livesatom even is a stupid cunt>>153663869abortion bans are class warfare. poor women suffer the most and are locked in to destitution if they have a family without making some money first or having a reliable father. this is often determined by location and resources, not morals.normal women who do NOT have super powers take an medical inherent risk while being pregnant and ultimately is their right to abort. you can talk shit about their reasoning all you want, it's still their right
>>153672815The fact that you take ownership of the evils of governments and corporations while denying the power you have is pretty sad. oppression isn’t a fucking sports team anon the political class is owned by the ruling class, just as we are and they don’t have the power to change anything because they don’t want to. We do but that requires something none of us want to do, change
>>153663908allows women to take working class men's moneyevict working class men's homeabort working class fetusestime to read karl marx
>>153672940oh i forgot to mention. atom even also literally can't die. pregnancy wouldn't kill her
>>153666754Now I know you're lying about being a dad.
>>153672940all the options you had laid out would been meaningless when viltrumites arrive
>>153673556And the kid could be another fundamentalist viltrumite Still no excuse, having the protagonist kid comes first
>>153672940>That imageHoly retard batman. Castle Doctrine doesn't allow you to just kill someone you invited into your home.
