I don't know how to express myself, but does anyone else feel that Toy Story 3 is excessively depressing? I want to make it clear that I don't think it's a bad movie. Not at all. It's one of the few third films that actually works, but it doesn't feel like Toy Story. The gap between the second and third films makes them feel very distant. I believe the essence of the first two films is missing here. I can't think of a single lighthearted or silly moment in the third film. The others had dark parts too, like Jessie's backstory or Woody's fear of being replaced, but Toy Story 3 sets a melancholic tone in the first few minutes. The whole film is built on somber arcs: Andy growing up, Lotso, Woody leaving his gang, and the ending.Not to mention that the film seems very distant and doesn't continue with the other two; the gap between the second and third is significant. Look at this song, it literally appears in the film's first minutes :(https://youtube.com/watch?v=8rUU78KZg0o&si=X8MAL4a7dd38iTBfSee 1:15
>>153670843Yes, anon, I completely understand you, that's why I don't think Toy Story 3 is perfect as some people say It's definitely better than the abomination of 2019 and 2026, but this film appeals too much to feelings and nostalgia They say the producers did it on purpose because those who watched the 90s films in 2010 would be going to college. Toy Story was always meant to be fun and silly, not sad and despairing.
>>153670843I felt a melancholy in the movie too. Its one of the movies like in Inside Out where you can feel its like a goodbye of sorts. I feel like its like a parent or a family member letting go of the home you where raised. Or maybe even last moments with someone you love. Only seeing the BTS we can trully know why this movie feels the way it is. I know i cried when Adult Andi left the toys to the girl to play. Like spiritually the veterans of the studio handing their stuff to a new generation. Or maybe just letting go of your past and giving it to others. This is my interpretation.
>>153670935>>153670843Well, it's definitely the most "mature" film in the franchise. Obviously, I was 11 years old when I first watched it and didn't have much discernment about the messages and the weight of the film's narratives, but I always got upset watching it. I don't know, that ending always made me cry, haha.
>>153670843It's basically a story about confronting the end of your life, I wouldn't say is 100% depressing since the movie does have a happy ending with the Toys and Andy having a proper farewell, and I wouldn't say it does not connect with the other two since it does follow on TS2 having Woody now having to face what the Prospector warned him about.I think this video explains it well, but it's pretty long.https://youtu.be/do3mhYuLGgM
>>153670935I had the same impression. The excessively melancholic and depressive tone of the film didn't make me interpret it as an adventure film, but as a farewell, an ending, a conclusion.
>>153670999>a happy ending with the Toys and Andy having a proper farewellYes, but even this ending is happy in part, mainly from the perspective of the toys that were going to stay in the attic, but it's still based on the farewell and the end of a friendship. And when I said about the gap, I meant that due to the time difference between reality and fiction, the filmmakers created a time jump within the universe of the series, a very large gap where things change from A to B. There's a video I watched recently, quite short, that you might be interested in.https://youtube.com/watch?v=2FQTa5xBV64&si=w7cxZzs_r-ngjeXkI find this interpretation interesting, in addition to >growing up and leaving childhood behind
>>153670843I recently gave TS3 a rewatch and was kinda surprised by how much less I liked it. I think remembering that the entire conflict at the start was built on a misunderstanding with the trash bag was super lame, and personally I felt like they were going too hard with the emotional scenes to make you sad. I still have lots of fond memories of it, and the characters and music are all (mostly) on point, but I like 1 and 2 more as films
>>153671618>I felt like they were going too hard with the emotional scenes to make you sad. Yes, and I don't think it was poorly developed or bad, I just think they might have exaggerated a bit, and I don't think the story boils down to a misunderstanding. If Andy's mother hadn't made that mistake, the movie wouldn't even be 20 minutes long.
>>153670843Because the third one should have been the last, I agree with you, but I think this is the best version of Woody because he tries to be a leader and at the same time loyal to Andy, as he showed from the first movie. I think it's really cool that he says they were Andy's toys and that he shouldn't leave him, but in the end he thinks about the group and decides to go with Bonnie.
>>153670843This "gap" wasn't planned. There was supposed to be a movie in the 2000s we have several versions of TS3. There was a version where they would get lost in Mexico or something like that, and Andy's mother would get married again. I thought the script was cool, and if this were the 3rd one, and the 3rd one we have today were the 4th, I think it would be perfect.
>>153672449>There was a version where they would get lost in Mexico or something like that, and Andy's mother would get married again. I thought the script was cool,That one was by Circle 7.Most people don't know that outside of the "Buzz recall" story, there were many other versions of Toy Story 3 Circle 7 was working on before they were disbanded, and even then, Pixar had a Wizard of Oz Star Command draft before the version we got.IIRC, the guy that made the Andy's mom gets married script mentioned that Circle 7 preferred it over the Recall draft but Disney wanted the latter one because it was more marketable and grand, so if draft was made it would have been Circle 7 Toy Story 4.Personally I like the first whodunnit draft, as long as it was kept in its original incarnation of it not being necessarily a 3D movie, more polish to the script for the characters to be consistent, and it being more of a special than the third mainline entry in the series (TSOT/TSTTF).
>>153672640>so if draft was made it would have been Circle 7 Toy Story 4.The woody and Bo peep love story?>more polish to the script for the characters to be consistent, and it being more of a special than the third mainline entry in the seriesThis. It's much more like the essence of TS and I think it would fit well into the continuity and be less melancholic, but I like 3. If they wanted to make 4 out of this, I wouldn't complain. Could TS4 have been so bad because of the death of Circle 7?
Toy Story 3 only started getting a bad rep because they kept milking the franchise. It’s a perfectly respectable and well madecap-off to the trilogy. I don’t know why people suddenly say it’s bad other than “they made more”, which I do think is fair. Just not fair to the movie or it’s original intent. It’s got a melancholic vibe but that’s it’s identity. You could also criticize Toy Story 2 for abandoning the grittier 90s edge the first one had.
>>153670843I love the third one I think it's better than the second, but still, I think they overdid the sentimentality, which wasn't badly developed, but I believe three sentimental arcs are too much. The closest we got to the old movies was when Woody planned the escape from Sunny Hell.
>>153672771No, I don't think the movie is bad. There are few franchises where the third film is as good as the previous ones. I thinkwe're talking about how the film is very depressing and sometimes seems a bit out of sync compared to the previous ones, but I agree Even the second one is a little different from the first, which seems different and is my favorite.
>>153672771>It’s got a melancholic vibe but that’s it’s identity.That's the point. It's not TS.Good? Yes. Toy Story? More or less
Toy Story 3's only real flaw is that they turned Buzz into a joke. The story being more somber is fine given the theme, I don't think it'd work otherwise.
>>153670843The toys accepting death together hits hard.
>>153672883For real.Best final possible
>>153672848And why should that have been a theme of the film in the first place? You can end a franchise in other ways And why should that have been a theme of the film in the first place? You can end a franchise in other ways
>>153670843Out of curiosity:Did you know Bo Peep was going to be in the movie? But for obvious reasons that the producers of the fourth movie ignored or forgot, she wouldn't be able to survive with the trash truck's dumpster part.
>>153672723>The woody and Bo peep love story?The Andy's mom gets married again draft>Could TS4 have been so bad because of the death of Circle 7?Probably not, I know of an earlier draft that didn't have Woody leave the Gang at the endIf we had a timeline where Circle 7 made Toy Story 3 with the recall draft, then I think it would do well enough for Circle 7 to do Toy Story 4 with the The Andy's mom gets married again draft.Here are some videos that explain the plots of those never made versions with interviews from the writers>Merged Family drafthttps://youtu.be/oFSe7_j3YB4>Whodunnit draftshttps://youtu.be/PzhcjY9Q2no>Original Pixar drafthttps://youtu.be/aWSrYDuds5E>Recall Drafthttps://youtu.be/3jY09e_pgjY>>153672848More like Buzz is absent for over half of its runtime, although delusional Buzz being an antagonist is a clever way to use him as a character since Normal, Utility belt, and Spanish Buzz were still ally characters.
YMS already made a video that explains everything wrong with this movie
>>153673058>YMShttps://youtu.be/L8XbI9aJOXk
>>153673081>>153673058Le everything wrong n sheit videos sucks.Stop the gaytube slop
>>153672979>If we had a timeline where Circle 7 made Toy Story 3 with the recall draft, then I think it would do well enough for Circle 7 to do Toy Story 4 with the The Andy's mom gets married again draft.And I think it would be much better than the 4th one we have, but I would also like a Woody and Bo movie. Of all the versions of the 3rd, the one where Andy's mom gets married again is the best we have. Polishing the story would be good; they could even focus on who Andy's father was.
>>153673058>listening to youtubers>to furrytubers no less
>>153672848Excessively depressive. The film is literally about that in certain parts, but when Buzz was a galactic patrolman and became an anti-hero, it was based not just because he was kind of a "bad boy," but it shows how Buzz would naturally be.
>>153670843Is there a moment in the film that isn't sad?
>>153674239The new toys scene, the intro sequence, Mr potato head as a tortilla and as a pickle. Maybe not as fun as 1 or 2 but it’s still funny when it needs to.
>>153674591The toy scene wasn't staged? Sunny Side was a dictatorship
>>153672975They couldve had her anyway and just not lingered on any of that shit. Not shown her take any high falls or anything fall on her and no one would have thought of that. But it probably would be glaring and un ignorable if they showed her surviving the rough daycare kids.
>>153674773Yes, I also wish she had been included in the third movie... I mean, even though she didn't have much screen time in the previous films, she was probably one of the oldest in Andy's house And I always liked her sweet personality. I think they could have included her instead of someone giving her to those daycare-aged children like they did with other toys, Someone could have put her as a decoration somewhere in Sunnyside? I don't know. But I think it would be really cool to see Woody leaving Sunnyside. Bo always stayed by Woody's side, and I think she would offer to go with him, and Woody would refuse, saying it was dangerous.
Like it or not, TS 3 is good, but it's totally out of sync with the previous films. The magic of TS 1 diminished a bit in 2 and died in 3.
>>153670843The song...
>all these anons conveniently forgetting the Ken scenes, Latin-Mode Buzz, and the very concept of a gritty jailbreak but with toys Toy Story 3 was the most emotional, yes, but some of you are acting as if it's devoid of humour.
>>153676082>but some of you are acting as if it's devoid of humour.And that's correct. Its melancholic movieCope
>>153675057Yes
>>153673081>>153673282>>153673346Not an argument
>>153675312What song?
>>153675057They could've had her be donated but Bonnie's mom take her home early on and it lead into them getting with Bonnie or something.
>>153678637The one that OP posted
>>153680157Considering how awful the fourth movie was, isn't that what happened to her? Wasn't she really given away?
They should’ve stopped at 2
>>153670843I don't watch that burgerslop so no
should've done more with preteen molly
The only thing that disappointed me is the movie barely did anything with Lotso's gang or Bonnie's toys.
>>153680811Sources?
>>153681088But would that be good? Like, what's the relevance of Molly being Andy's sister? She's much younger than Andy and doesn't even use toys anymore. I think they could have made another alternate version of Circle 7, and then what would have been the 4th movie would have been the 3rd one we have today.
>>153681108In defense of the film, I don't think it was useful or important because we knew Lotso manipulated everyone. But here's a good idea: why didn't they release some comics that explored these things instead of making a bunch of awful movies? Disney is trash.
>>153681137NTA But what are the alternative versions and why are they better than the one we already have? Although I agree that the film appeals a lot to sentimentality.
>>153681172This anon gave a good summary of the alternative versions>>153672979I don't think they would necessarily be better, but they would certainly be more "'consistent"" with the franchise. The third one seems a bit out of the box, although it's good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6aLdp6KUQY
>>153682184?
>>153672883I've seen that scene be called very emotional for a decade, but did anyone seriously think they wouldnt make it out of there?
>>153675057Couldn't Bo be helped and cared for? At the time, Disney wasn't feminist, so I don't think it would be a problem. If Andy were to donate her, she could say that she's very fragile and just for decoration, I don't know.
I mean it equates "moving on" from your childhood as essentially abandoning an entire community of people. Probably not an intended consequence of the world's established rules, but it's there regardless.Through the whole movie they toys are presenting the prospect of being forgotten in a dark attic as the most hopeful future they can think of, and their ultimate salvation in the form of being given to Bonnie is presented as last minute happenstance.
>>153682901No, but even just seeing the heroes truly give in and accept the end was bleak, even if I knew they would be fine.
>>153683413That interpretation is outdated. The heartwarming ending you remember is a brilliant lie. Woody manipulated Andy's final decision and orchestrated an epiphany to save his friends from the incinerator. The toys didn't passively accept their fate in the attic; Woody rewrote it.
>>153683413>>153683596But you forgot something; TS4 and TS5 practically retconned these expectations because if in the attic they were all together and safe and were waiting for Andy to have his children, in TS4 Woody abandons the group and Jessie abandons the group for her new owner Blaze. What's the point of building this conflict of interest anyway? None. It would have been better to have stayed in the attic.
>>153683413Although the attic wasn't the best place, they literally accepted it willingly at the end of the movie, remember? When they escape the junkyard. Jessie literally even recalls Woody's catchphrase. And the attic wouldn't be so bad after all, they had hobbies and attics usually have lights, mine does.
>>153670843This scene always makes me sad. Because it's a mix of nostalgia for what they lived through and how uncertain the future is. The end of a cycle and the music still... wow. The movie is definitely depressing.
>>153683348She could participate in some way. I think she would be the only one on Woody's side or supporting him. In the first movie, even when Woody threw Buzz out the window, she didn't just side with the group that wanted to break Woody; she tried to stop them. Or even when Woody had "killed" Buzz by showing his arm, she still showed up on Woody's side somehow. That dynamic would be really cool. But she wouldn't be able to keep up with him unless Pixar made her a girlboss
>>153683693>>153683645You lost
>>153675057>>153674773https://youtube.com/watch?v=K5OI_WMqQKE&si=SUG8aBJTPq_ybGKa
>>153670843No i totally agree. It comes across as pretentious in alot of ways. Also china il had an episode that best described the hype surrounding toy story 3
>>153684422Different Bo peep
it just occurred to me the whole conflict is over>we want to be played with by kids>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THAT
>>153670843I never understood the beginning of the movie. What exactly was that phone plan for?
>>153686831Andy probably never touched his Treasure Chest. And they stayed there for quite a while. Did they want Andy to pick them up again and, I don't know, have a childish epiphany and play with them? At what age did Andy stop playing with them?
>>153686831They were desperate for any type of playtime including "Andy looks at his toys, pretends to play with them for less than a minute and then puts them back in the chest">>153685550I don't think Playtime by toddlers that from their POV is closer to actual torture is what they wanted, if for some reason Lotso allowed them to be in the Butterfly room from the beginning (Maybe Bonnie's mom explicitly tells Sunnyside's workers that Andy's toys must stay in the Butterfly room because they are her friend's son's toys) they would have never complained and they only returned because Mrs. Potato head who thought that Andy threw them out but then found evidence that he cared for them.
>>153680796I mean in the sense of keeping her around in movie 3. She could've been with them instead of missing until 4 where they thought "damn, feminism is really in right now, lets bring her back and better (worser) than ever!"
>>153686990This is sad...
>>153686990What if Mrs. Potato Head eventually used her missing eye and realized that Andy didn't want to throw them away and cared about them? Would they try to come back? Or would they even discover how dictatorial Sunny Side was? At the very least, they would feel bad for abandoning Andy.
>>153687311NTA I'm a girl and I can say that nobody really feels "represented" or likes these girlboss characters even though the original had what? 20 minutes in both movies? She had a purpose and was cute, she's not the same Bo Peep.
>>153688171To be fair, none of them wanted to stay in the attic
