>>153671563
Remember anon, no matter what you produce, as long as you do it consistently, you'll find success. That's the hardest part.

>>153671563
It has been said, 'make it happen first, make it good later', and I do agree. If you have an idea and you think it's good, just do it. Chances are other people will like it too.

Just start small, say the story you want to say, and develop both your drawing and narrative skills along the way. Most people have super humble origins, specially regarding webcomics.

>>153671563
The problem is that many, much better comics than QC have no following.
QCtards are just mentally ill. They'd rather give money to something they "hate" than follow something leagues better for free.

>>153671621
Even some of the biggest Manga out there started humbly. Jojo was a ripoff of Fist of the North Star at first, berserk and attack on titan both had pretty mid illustrations. Over time they got better. Success is a measure of dedication and reliability over time.

>>153671563
Convincing yourself your hesitations are skill based is completely normal anon congrats on getting to the fuck it let’s make the thing stage of your artistic journey

>>153671563
>never heard of Questionable Content til now
>has been running since 2003
And I thought I knew webcomics. Who’s reading that shit?

>>153671678
Gen alpha? You’re here already?

>>153671604
>Remember anon, no matter what you produce, as long as you do it consistently, you'll find success.
It's honestly alarming how true this is. The endless grind itself is fucking agony but it genuinely does pay off in the end.

>>153671678
The dregs of /co/ >>153645265

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>>153671678
him

I'm a really good writer and the project I've been working on lately kind of demands graphic novel format because its highly reliant on facial expressions, big set pieces, and mood creation. I do not have any artistic interest and background. What's the play for me? This whole thing will be like a 10 year creative project. How do you even find an illustrator up to the task?

>>153671678
Mentally insane individuals who try to convince themselves they are only reading it "ironically"

>>153671563
If you want to be an artist with a webcomic there's never a good reason to put it off i mean it. No amount of stagnation or regret for a weak page will be worth not starting. You can redo a page, you can get discovered, go viral, get a following, inspire laughter and joy, get a fan dub or animation. That won't happen if you don't start immediately

>>153671733
You live in the age of AI, just make the illustratorions yourself using an LLM

I would start a webcomic with some of you cunts because theres honestly a bunch of talented dudes on here. The problem is your all hopelessly mentally ill one way or another.

>>153671755
That's where I was leaning, and I'm positive it will be the norm in 5 to 10 years. But I imagine the current comic community frowns on that.

>>153671769
>The problem is your all hopelessly mentally ill one way or another.
Most artists are.

>>153671721
my favorite class is this pie

>>153671563
>>stop and objectively garbage shit like Questionable Content has a dedicated/loyal fanbase
It's a webcomic from an era where webcomics were relevant, if you try to make a webcomic now nobody will give a shit.

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>>153671733
Write the book first, let people imagine the expressions, mister good writer. That's what most people did before they could commission the common artist

>>153671655
That's true. It is common to see how much the art changes from it's origins and after a few years.

In AoT's case (and in some others, like the One Punch Man webcomic), the art was never the most important part of the manga anyway, but the story and setting, so, even if one's art never becomes all that good, one can still make a well-liked comic if they manage to tell a good story with good characters.

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>>153671733
Why not write it as a film and try selling it?

>>153671805
>Write the book first, let people imagine the expressions, mister good writer.
I already have and the people I've given copies to have enjoyed it, but the nature of the world I've built demands visualization. Don't be dense, some works do better outside of novelization.

>>153671853
Some novels have illustrations between pages to accompany the text. Why not do that? Actually, why does it need to be illustrated? Do you have so little faith in the common reader that they can’t picture the scenery in their head?

>>153671849
What I have for it right now reads exactly like a script except for certain shots that are described on a panel-by-panel basis. The thing about films and legacy media is that it's a crapshoot and it's basically impossible to sell a screenplay unless you're connected.
My current plan is: commission concept artists to produce character models, faction models, and several big set-pieces, so I can establish the mood and world, then present these to artists to see of it's the kind of thing they can see themselves working for 10 years.
The problem is I have no idea how I'd go about finding an artist to even present this to, much less one I could trust with equity in the IP. If I had the money to just hire one, that'd be a different story.

>>153671886
>Do you have so little faith in the common reader that they can’t picture the scenery in their head?
Why are you being accusatory, dude? The visualization of the work is just important. Do you not understand why comics exist as a medium and why people would choose that over a novel?

>>153671633
>The problem is that many, much better comics than QC have no following.
Anons itt have the right spirit in saying so but the truth is you can’t guarantee external success, the effort itself is the state of success and it shows up in your work.

>>153671790
but QC is objectively bad and I will prove I can make something better than that horse shit. No one should care about it right now, and yet whenever it updates people will still talk about it.

>>153671563
Kick ass and take names anon, take walks through cemeteries if you’re having trouble coming up with character names.

>>153671936
I think you’re just being autistic, dude. Like I said, a lot of novels include illustrations in between pages. Plus, it would probably be easier to get it to get it made and published. Probably easier to make decent sales too.

>>153671563
I feel you OP. I’ve recently realized my ADHD nature so I’m basically forever mentally paralyzed and unable to make any meaningful creative works besides boring pictures. It’s like I have a he in my head when I try to make any story/project.

>>153671947
>the effort itself is the state of success and it shows up in your work.
I think that's the mindset you have to have to get to the consistent output that the previous anons describe. If you do it with the goal of just producing consistently, you'll burn out, but if the effort itself is the point regardless of output, you can sustain it. It's like getting in the gym, you don't have to go hard every day, but if you go every day, you'll have your ups and downs and start to see results.

>>153671976
*like I have a hole in my head

>>153671915
Not gonna happen. Artists deal with this kind of request all the time and no one serious or committed will take you up on it.
Selling scripts is one of the more direct ways a good writer might acquire the money to hire an artist. But you could consider hybrid solutions, like promoting the novel with a shorter graphic novel or chapter illustrations.

>>153671974
I don't think you've pursued publication before. It is not easy to get an agent or publish even a completed manuscript. Unless you're just throwing whatever you've got onto Amazon and hoping for more than 3 readers, there is a long difficult process. That being the case, a person might as well pursue the path that feels most artistically faithful to their work, in my case it'sa graphic novel. And I think you missed the point that, even if I were to keep it in its current novelized/scripted format, and include in-page illustrations, I'd still need an illustrator.

>>153671988
Yes, exactly. Output is the result of sustaining the habit of success, which is putting in the everyday work.

webcomic made by /co/ when?

>>153672030
>no one serious or committed will take you up on it.
This isn't true. Many writer/illustrator partnerships come from solid pitch packages. The pitch itself just has to genuinely have legs and has to be something that the artist can get enthusiastic about.
Anon, do you really believe there aren't artists out there who would see a project with a completed manuscript, art direction, reference art, and high backend potential and go for it? The entire comic industry would like a word.

>>153671915
>present these to artists to see of it's the kind of thing they can see themselves working for 10 years.
Do not phrase it like that. That kind of wording will kill any chance you have ever. Start off with a short commitment of a book or two. If they vibe with the project, they'll want to keep working on it. Don't jump the gun.

>>153672112
Woulnt work, Discord gets set up or whatever, people have their fun shitposting until things get more serious, most scatter or just hang around until they forgot they even joined, the core members either fracture into their own projects or by some miracle either continue until burnout or make something that might last a few pages. And this is about as optimistic I could imagine it turning out.

>>153672116
You got the real makings of being the next Ian Flynn lmao

>>153672180
>fracture into their own projects or by some miracle either continue until burnout
This is the most optimistic part of this. The effort could legitimately spawn viable solo projects. But you're absolutely right. The main effort would never last.

>>153672116
You don’t have a pitch package, though. You have a WIP script and are already speculating about how to ask a stranger to devote their life to your baby instead of paying work. This is a common red flag for artists.
If you’re dead set on it and believe the project will inspire someone to collaborate, that’s great. Focus on the work in front of you now and you’ll cross that bridge well-prepared when it’s time.

>>153672196
I'm talking about propositioning independent artists, not studios.

>>153672199
>The effort could legitimately spawn viable solo projects.
Currently part of one, been in it for couple of years now, decided to keep it pretty insular after some shit heads started drama for literally no reason.

>>153672207
>You don’t have a pitch package, though
>>153671915
>My current plan is: commission concept artists to produce character models, faction models, and several big set-pieces, so I can establish the mood and world, then present these to artists
He's literally on the "Assemble pitch package" step, anon. Why are you trying so hard to shut him down?

>>153672279
what happened?

A lot of clashing egos ITT. You guys will never do it, except for OP maybe.

>>153672207
>You have a WIP script
No, I don't. I have a completed manuscript that reads like a script and directs the creative vision for an illustrated graphic novel. Big difference.

>>153672323
People made the mistake of getting too comfortable sharing their personal lives in a server made up of 4chan users, the usual suspects went too far with things we are down to like less than half the original numbers as a result. Shit sucks but it was almost epexted.

>>153672360
The discipline for creative endeavors doesn't really coalesce from a bunch of randos all coming together.

>>153672360
>the usual suspects
gooner’s remorse?

>>153672112
i'll make the logo

>>153672393
As I said, that shit was inevitable.Things are moving a lot slower now but its our piece of autism and we will keep it going until we cant.

>>153672436
Lmao. Somehow, you just know.

>>153672457
Call it a mix between experience and intuition.

>>153672436
People who were already stirring shit up but managed to contribute, should have just kicked them out but muh board culture was a far too convincing argument to everyone else at the time.

>>153671563
Attaboy. That's what got me to do it, back in '02.
i'm like "wait, I'm not good enough to do a comic.. my digital coloring skills are lousy, and-
wait what's this? some people are just doing theirs in raw pencils? and these other people are just using video game sprites as the characters? Well shit. I can do pencil drawings of video game sprites"
and some easily-produced garbage spewed forth. I want to get back to it someday, but health so bad..

>>153671686
there is no A. never will be.
>>153671678
ehhh it's decently easy for even big names to slip through the cracks, though if you've been spending time on /co/ I find that kinda hard to believe.

>>153671733
Realistically, you get an illustrator who will stay with you for 2-3 years, then their house in the philippines is blown away in a storm or something, and you have to replace them, and either everybody loves the new art, or they hate it.. then repeat til it's done.
>>153671773
it's not good enough yet to do more than give you the basic poses and stuff, someone still has to actually edit them, draw in the right expressions, fix the oversights. We're getting to the point that even most PEOPLE are too robotic to understand expressions. Hell, I'm starting to forget what they look like, I have to look them up. So...

>>153672474
Shoulda just gone to Newgrounds or X for help. Though that might not make much of a difference since they tend to overlap.

>>153671781
yeahhh that is our way. authors are self-loathing, suicidal drunks, artists are unstable, obsessive whackjobs. Nothing to be done about it. I think that's why there was so much less fiction in the past. We were healthier.
>>153671915
concept art is a horse of a different color. A ton of us can help out with that. it's non-committal, it doesn't require internal consistency (aside from like, turnarounds), it doesn't involve crazy perspectives or poses. You can at least get that for a low price.
>>153671966
Oh great, now your cast is named stuff like Plutis

>>153672180
God this takes me back.. my IRC friends wanted to make a comic out of our stupid RP shit. ahhh it's so easy to make pie-in-the-sky plans when you're young.. or a woman. I mean, same thing.

>>153672360
>sharing too much personal junk
Used to be doable on old internet. i miss those days. Nobody had the means OR motive to ruin your life over disagreeing on shit.

>>153672597
>stupid RP shit
That stuff basicly writes itself, all you really need is a solid artstyle and turn the stories into something a normal person can follow.

>>153672597
>less than three
>omg
>typing out my fantasy
>meet me here on IRC
>LOLOL

>>153672579
>A ton of us can help out with that. it's non-committal, it doesn't require internal consistency (aside from like, turnarounds), it doesn't involve crazy perspectives or poses. You can at least get that for a low price.
Where do y'all hang out? I'm prepared to pull the trigger on that pretty much right now.

>>153672180
>>153672279
>>153672360
>>153672454
>>153672474
This is really interesting and very helpful to keep in mind if I ever find myself in this scenario. I'm not surprised the board perverts dragged things down, I feel like a lot of "projects" on /co/ are just fetish fuel or devolve into it- just a unfortunate sign of a times I suppose.
Creatives in general should be wary of those types, I somewhat recall one recruiting people but some of them saw his work as glorified tissue paper, so obviously it went nowhere.

>>153672692
>glorified tissue paper
Oh geez I can only imagine what it looks like.

>>153671966
>take walks through cemeteries if you’re having trouble coming up with character names.
That's solid advice, but my story is set in the Balkans.

>>153671563
>put off the idea of making my own webcomic because I keep telling myself that im not good enough
As long as you can accept the possibility your work might not be good, you'll be fine, because if you don't find external success, it won't kill whatever personal fulfillment you get from the process of creation.

>>153672112
>webcomic made by /co/ when?
The problem isn't a lack of talent it's a lack of filtering. It's like putting advanced and remedial students on the same project and giving them the same input level. Dunning Krueger makes it impossible for people with bad ideas to take the hint and fuck off.

>>153673185
Yeah, unless you have a rigid leader or leadership group who can kick people out as necessary, I can't see that working.

Funny, I was just thinking of past webcomics and Megatokyo popped up. Thinking it got defunct or possibly finished, it's still going? The last chapter was december. Ah well, it's always interesting thinking back of stuff you've read and looking back if it's still going or dead/finished

>>153673185
>>153673203
What board was responsible for Snoot Game? I know it was lead by caveanon. Was it /v/?

>>153672312
It’s not shutting him down to point out he’s on the putting together a pitch step, not the pitching an artist step, which comes after this work is done. We can’t tell him whether an artist will be into it based on that. He’s allowed to ask for opinions and argue his case if he doesn’t agree with them. Like >>153672150, I am pointing out the pitfalls of sharing the scope of his ambitions compared to the resources he has to accomplish it in the present moment.
>>153672357
So try it and see how it goes. You don’t need anyone else’s input on how to talk to artists if you already have a plan, a reason, and are committed to the format, just keep working on it.

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>>153671563
>has a dedicated/loyal fanbase
you mean trolls/ironic fans?

>>153671655
>berserk and attack on titan both had pretty mid illustrations
>berserk
>middle of the road
really? Even in the early chapters I was pretty impressed by the art work

>>153671563
>try my hand at web comics
>my pages get zero views
>give up

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>>153673382
Let me guess, your just posting without doing any networking or marketing?
You will join the communties, you will mingle with the other artists and you will submit your shit into groups and posts about everyone showing off their things and your gonna like it if you want anyone to know you exist..

>>153671563
I'm finally making a comic with a friend, a physical one with maybe a few dozen copies. I'm doing it largely because of one creator in our local scene who's a "success" despite how utterly garbage his stuff is. I'm not expecting success, I'm doing it because my mindset is if THIS jackass can do it so can I and it will surely be better.

I guess don't focus so much on success and just think that if these talentless hacks are doing it then why can't you?

>>153671915
Does it really have to be 10 years? If you're not already established in comic circles then it's gonna be hard to convince an artist to work with you for that long, even 1 year is a big ask

>>153673507
What if the comic is good?

Is easier to work on a good comic?

>>153673382
You gotta shill the fuck out of your comic, broski.
Tiktok, Twitter, Instagram etc put yourself out there.

>>153672628
don't forget 'slapping someone around with a large trout' ahhh.. the best of times. the blurst of times.
>>153672643
That part is a tad tricksy. /co/ doesn't so much have an artist bungalow as a bunch of desperate people looking for commissions. The best thing to do is look around for-

okay let's say for example you want your comic to look a lot like... Avatar... so maybe you go to an Avatar thread, you notice someone posted really good fanart, you look for a signature or you ask who drew it.. then you go to that person's art gallery, and commission them there, through DMs.
It really depends what you're going for. It kinda sounds like you want real real high quality pro comic kinda art, right? Like you'd find on the shelf. That kind of serious realism is not AS common, you'd be better off finding those guys on /ic/ I think. like I'm a concept artist, but I work mainly in anime shit, monsters, robots..

>>153672850
Balkan cemetary then.
>>153673185
I think Dunning-Krueger has been supplanted by autism at this point.
>>153673300
Yeah it's still going verrry slowly. Something about a kitsune girl. it's impossible to follow. I think Piro's mom has cancer and his wife is sick or some other thing like that, so I get it.

>>153673565
I think being underground has its advantages. No obnoxious fanbase, no lewd drawing of your characters you didn’t ask for. A small dedicated following sounds nice.

>>153672643
Go to ArtStation and look for concept artists. You can find one that fits close to your style and even send them a message with an offer. Don't waste your time on 4chan.

>>153673622
That still doesn't happen unless you advertise, buddy.

>>153673413
i like the left better.
>>153673382
whoa, you have a views counter? where are you even hosting? there's no acceptable hosts anymore.
>>153673472
Woooo! spite! spite! spite! spite!
>>153673565
dude no, that is the LAST thing you should do.
>>153673622
exactly. God, you want to keep the social media people as far from your shit as possible.
You are, in essence, starting a Beatles cover band. You don't wanna be going down to a local... rave.. or.. r.... rap disco.. and handing out demo tapes. You need to be staying where the old people are. Every business now is dying because they started giving their actual demographic the middle finger, in favor of appealing to literally everyone else. Sorry McDonald's, no amount of "we sell salads, and the happy meals are apples and milk!" is going to change your rep. Just lean into what people actually like you for.

>>153673639
Oh yeah artstation has the real pros. I just got on there myself. I'm definitely a small fish in a big pond, but the big pond has food in it.

>>153673622
>I think being underground has its advantages.
Then go make physical stuff and hand it out to weirdos under bridges, your not getting any street cred by making a webcomic no one knows or reads.

>>153673647
Do NOT listen to anything this moron says holy shit

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>>153673671
I smell insecurity. Smells like shit.

>>153673663
Can you link your shit? Don't feel obliged, I can understand why someone wouldn't want their professional work linked to 4chan.

>>153673526
why not work on smaller comics to prove yourself, and then do a big 10 year one after people know you're a good writer?

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>>153671678
>Questionable Content
I don't get it
I know lightning in a bottle is a thing but lightning runs out

why does this thread feel like a discord lobby

>>153673695
why do you think the opposite tactic, used by the majority, is working?

>>153673701
It's actually more the other way around. But fuckit, https://www.artstation.com/artwork/a0WK5R

>>153673765
how do you expect anyone to read your comic if they don't even know it exists you asshole?

>>153672112
/co/ draw threads or drawing lobby stuff can work, but making a full comic with them is a disaster

>>153673719
Why stop writing something good if it's good?

>>153672112
Didnt we try something like this years ago? I remember something where an artist would draw one page to an ongoing story and then continue it in a way that they saw fit and some guy kind of ruined the vibe and broke the chain by killing off one of the main female characters in a brutal Ryona fashion.

>>153673737
I will start my comic tonight.
This is fucking criminal.

>>153672850
Just hop on a plane and go to Sarajevo.

>>153673781
Not bad. How long you been drawing?

>>153673719
Because I have a story to tell that's going to take a long time. I'm not just in it so I can make it big.

>>153671769
What exactly about being mentally ill precludes creating a webcomic with you? You think you're going to get infected? You think the big scary mental illness demon is going to absolutely forbid creating a webcomic with you on penalty of death? Your girlfriend is not going to approve when you come home with a mentally ill webcomic artist under your arm?

>>153673903
Yes you can anon

>>153673757
Because its basicly a containment thread for people who want to make comics but keep procrastinating or self sabotaging.

>>153673757
It caught just the right number of active autists who want to create something but have little other means to channel their frustration.

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>>153673922
I'm NTA, but I'd be extremely hesitant if working with a mentally ill person. In the one hand yeah, they might be exceptionally creative, but they'd also likely be less reliable and more volatile than a normal person. That doesn't make for a great creative partner.

>>153673794
We're still working that part out. Basically all the avenues have been crushed. But just because the sidewalk is under construction doesn't mean you dash out into the street.

>>153673922
>What exactly about being mentally ill precludes creating a webcomic with you?
I like group projects, I dont like wrangling schizos and layabouts to do the bare minimum or start online relationships with clearly autistic people who take my patience and group management methods as sings that I want to be their BFF. Its draining and never leads to anything good.

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>>153673886
>Thirty-five years...

>>153673984
What youre saying makes no sense and no one should listen to any advice you give lol

Just post your work in the thread and jack each other off already, you niggers.

>>153673981
>>153673991
Look into the history of the best era of superhero comics.
The formula is clear: you need a crazy fucking nut like a Jack Kirby or a Steve Ditko, then you need a Stan Lee to wrangle his insanity and shape it into a viable product. His level of collaboration is not nearly as important as the main creative, but without him, we'd have nothing.

>>153674002
please be less young

>>153674035
Please be less schizoprhenic

>>153673765
>>153674002
If popularity and notoriety is so important to you then why the fuck are you posting anonymously on 4chin?

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>>153671563
>has a dedicated/loyal fanbase
I personally believe social media has deluded and skewed what qualifies as a true fan because of the weightlessness of engagement like sub and "like" counts. As a comic artist myself, I've been trying to find the true mark of fandom, and I have a theory as to what that is. It's "headcanon"; when someone is truly captivated by what you've made, they think about it unprovoked. They fill in the gaps themselves with their own ideas, and that leads to actual discussion.

>>153674089
This, anyone can can give likes or repost your stuff for any reason at all that might pop in the viewers head during the few seconds they look at your work. The style, one particular expressions, a single piece of dialogue ect Doesnt mean their suddenly a full blown fan.

>>153673781
I like your animal studies, very nice form for them

>>153674089
I think it’s people who keep showing up in the comments over time and engage with whats happening in the comic, not always headcanon but same idea, taking the time to care shows someone feels invested.

Anyone ever noticed how Deviantart fell of in popularity sometime between 2015-17 after a bunch of YouTubers started putting the weird side of that site on full display? I joined dA a couple years before all that and rarely ever saw stuff like that. Sure I came across a lot of amateur crap but they were all very forgettable. I would find lots of cool cartoonists, artists, photographers, and just regular average Joe’s posting blogs. I don’t even know how these YouTubers found this crap, so what gives? What happened?

>>153674065
I think you replied to me by mistake.
>>153674089
THIS, so hard. I've always said, if I ever get people discussing my comic, coming up with theories, making up OCs, cosplaying, spontaneous unprompted fanart.. if I ever see that, I can die happy. especially cosplay, I think I might die on the spot.
I only hope to someday be more worthy of it.

>>153674156
Thank youuu they are my favorite.
Plus I learned a lot from Tutsplus.
>>153674244
That's not remotely what happened, ya dingus. DA became prudity central and started deleting anything an amish person might find overstimulating, so it started dying. Then they kept revamping the site, making it dumber and dumber, more focused on squeezing people for ever-increasing subscription prices, and finally they said "hm everyone irrationally hates AI, so let's put AI in everything" after years of refusing to police stolen art, so everyone remaining left.

>>153671563
You don't want the fans that those comics have.

>>153674244
You basically just described journalism in a nutshell.
>This stuff happens, but it's so rare. So why are we being bombarded with coverage of it?

>>153674284
>DA
>purity central
lol yeah right

>>153674065
What does do those two things even remotely have to do with each other?
I'm sure in your autistic brain you see some kind of correlation to that logic, but its eluding me

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>>153674244
That is not the cause of DeviantArt's decline in popularity and didnt start in 2015. What the fuck are you even going on about?

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>>153671678
Kevin & Kell is one of the world's oldest webcomics, running EVERY DAY since 1995

>>153674376
What 2 things?

>>153674350
I know it's fucking nuts, but it's been the truth for like 15 years now. DA started censoring art WAY before it was cool, before people were harassing and doxxing artists whose contents they found objectionable, before people could be fired for making a tweet, DA was there putting the D and A in DrAconian.

>>153674350
also I said 'prudity'
>>153674392
false narrative I reckon
>>153674482
Such respect. Respek, even. of the mad variety.

>>153674596
[PORN ADDICT SPOTTED]

>>153674754
>Look at this moron, he's addicted to the opiates his brain secretes when he's happy from having an orgasm. what a maroon. Well, off to the pharmacy for my estrogen...

>>153674769
>Trannies being the biggest porn addicts of all time

>>153674266
>especially cosplay
You should do what oda did, fuck/marry a female cosplayer of one of your characters

>>153674790
mmm no? they're the anti-porn advocates..
>>153674795
Mein gott. That would be amazing
I did used to have friends who were fans, and even gave input and wanted me to put them in as characters. Sadly the one who was the most invested did the 'go to art school, come back a tranny' thing. But I'm pretty sure her dad and maybe her foster dad molestered her, so yknow there's smoking guns all around.

>>153675137
>mmm no? they're the anti-porn advocates..
It’s called denial and projection.

>>153675137
>so yknow there's smoking guns all around.
Grim.

>>153675137
>mmm no? they're the anti-porn advocates..
No. They're the most porn-addled individuals on the planet. It's the endgame of every depraved masturbator.

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>>153674795
>You should do what oda did, fuck/marry a female cosplayer of one of your characters
>>153675137
>I did used to have friends who were fans, and even gave input and wanted me to put them in as characters. Sadly the one who was the most invested did the 'go to art school, come back a tranny' thing. But I'm pretty sure her dad and maybe her foster dad molestered her, so yknow there's smoking guns all around.
A tale as old as modern times.

>>153675349
uhhh no? They hate sex. so much that they remove their own sex, and call for the removal of others' in childhood so they can never become sexual.
In any case, we're rather off-topic. Webcomics have enough alphabet in them already, thank you.

>>153675446
Naw, dude. Troons are definitely porn addicts. Christians are the only one's I've seen advocating against porn.

oh it's a troll
everyone ignore

>>153675446
So what’s the point of dilating? A sex change and neutering/spaying yourself are two different things

>>153671563
if you're posting pepe's I don't think you can draw

>>153675890
I mean one requires the other

What the fuck is this thread? How many troons are on this board anyhow?

>>153676045
Depends do you consider someone who roleplays as a fag on the internet a real fag?

>>153676060
I'd consider that a fag in denial.

>>153676060
Are you drunk right now?

>>153676060
I feel like there's a pretty big difference between doing that in 2004 when the internet is brand new, and doing it in 2026.
But that's also still way offtopic.
>>153676045
This thread is about the difficulties in making a webcomic, including motivations, hosting, and getting eyes on it without drawing the eyes of social media trannies.
We have threads like this periodically. Usually a little good comes from it. Maybe a new unknown comic like uh, one of these threads showed me Ten Earth-Shattering Blows and Snarlbear, which I loved both of

>>153671604
Fpbp
I drop webcomics not because they're bad, but because they either take weeks for a single page and I lose interest or they go on months/years long hiatuses and I lose interest. Nothing turns me away faster than inconsistent upload schedules.

OP, set some time aside for it. Commit to it. Maybe update every monday/wednesday/friday, or tuesday/saturday, or whatever you're comfortable with. Having something that I can look forward to is one of the biggest draws in terms of webcomics. If I get told "It'll be out when it's good and ready", unless you're a top quality comic, I'm going to move on and find one that I can get some consistent results. And almost everyone else reading your shit is going to think the same thing unless you're like Prequel or something.
I don't care if you have the best art or the deepest story in the world. If you can only upload 3 pages a year, I'm not going to care. If you have a story worth telling, find a way to tell it. Don't wait until your art is "good enough". Just do it. Hell, you'll absolutely improve in your art in the process, so why wait?

>>153673467
>Let me guess, your just posting without doing any networking or marketing?
Yeah. I tried riding the hype train for a related big budget movie too but it didnt work. Still ended up posting into the void. I drew fan art for an unrelated webcomic that got 100× the engagement my pages did.
>networking
I hate the internet age
>>153673565
Even in spite of having abandoned it I dont know if it's worthing posting here. The colors are pretty shit. I imagine most will see the story as sort of uninteresting too.

>>153674089
If people are drawing/commissioning porn of your characters (without any prompt/input from you), you have a fanbase. Simple as.
Rule 34: If it exists, there is porn of it.
And if there's porn of your stuff, it exists.

>>153677149
Indeed. This is why I haven't done a successor to mine yet. I know right now, i can't. Or if I can one month, I won't the next month. Health is way too spotty.

funny you should bring up Prequel, I did think for a while about doing a similar one, since it seems pretty quick (you can just get away with maybe a panel or two a day for a while as the questions come in, recycle a lot, do simple, aliased art and simple animations), but since the MSPA forums died and there's nowhere even similar now, I don't think I could get an audience. plus game companies are so much more litigious now.

>>153677158
hey we're long past the internet age, we're in the phone age now. networking used to be cool, before we called it that
>>153677194
Porneio Ergo Sum. profound.

>>153677194
I don’t agree with this, designs by themselves can have a coomerbase but it doesn’t meant those people actually like the thing that character is from

>>153671563
>I keep telling myself that im not good enough
Just make shit, anon. No building exists without dirt underneath it.

>>153672112
>Thong Squad
>Blimbo and His Friend
>that 80s toy line inspired one I can’t remember the name of
All in the last few years

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>>153671563
Yeah! That's the spirit! Go draw your shit boy!

>>153677280
exactly. That said, you don't have to PUBLISH the dirt. The dirt can just be your fun practice and then when you have a good foundation, then you really start.
But by all means, share that dirt with us. we might have tips. I miss being able to be involved with that stuff, before /HYW/ went to shit.
>>153677261
That is a lot truer today than it used to be. People are a lot more mindless about it since you morons started calling it 'coom'

>>153677261
>>153677495
>Ian Flynn has 3 entries on e621, and they all include Blaze the Cat.

>>153673847
His following is huge because he came at a time where there weren't a sea of webcomics. Same with Dave Willis who has been posting comics online since the 90s. There's no way to recreate longevity like that for yourself.

>>153677530
whomst?
>>153677591
Ehhh that's true, but it's a lot less true than it is for, say, TV or music.

>>153671745
>Mentally insane
As opposed to physically insane

>>153677631
technically the word sanity refers to health or 'soundness' of any kind. It has just been kinda pigeonholed into meaning mental insanity specifically.

though I think Anon may have been using 'mentally' as sort of a superlative. like "this is some mentally fucked up shit"

>>153675349
> It's the endgame of every depraved masturbator
I'm 58, would call myself a depraved fapper but haven't yet thought "I should pretend to be a girl"

>>153677750
that's pretty obviously a troll, you can ignore it.

>>153677750
>58
Probably just good ol’ fashioned child molestor.

>>153677750
I'm NTA but no joke, when I was dabbling in the kink community and was attending munches, there was a few geriatric trannies who had "Just recently admitted who they were." So ya know, never say never.
If anyone's curious and in the Denver area, they might still meet on the 3rd Wednesday evening of every month at Bar Louie in Bel Mar. Worth checking out if you're in a depression spiral like I was.

>>153677882
>Denver
I remember you from /sthg/. I do not want your gay penis.

Is it a bad idea to just sit down, draw a story with a beginning middle end, and THEN upload it on a consistent schedule?

I have an art related day job and hobbies so its not like I'm grinding away on one thing, I just dont think I could keep up with doing something without a backlog.

>>153675446
There are different types of course, but the most sexually depraved and sexually obsessed people you'll see are trannies. They seem to check all the boxes.
They've ruined the red boards on this site beyond repair, and arguably the blue ones.
>>153677750
You're not depraved enough yet, or you could be extremely focused on a specific paraphilia, or you have very strong willpower (not likely if you're already a fapper) or stubbornness.
>>153677778
I'm not a troll, but you're definitely deflecting.
Something you wanna tell us?

>>153677969
Is it a bad idea to just sit down, draw a story with a beginning middle end, and THEN upload it on a consistent schedule?
That is actually the optimal way to go about it.

>>153677882
jeeezus.
though I guess given menopause/andropause, that's not exactly a shock. We are completely fucked as a biosphere.
>>153677969
that's what a lot of people do. Sefra does that, she finished Space Pack in its entirety before posting it bit by bit.
it does mean you can't get any feedback as you go, and it takes forever obviously to finish, but once you do.. you can just relax and go on autopilot.

What most people do is give consistent updates for X period of time, e.g. 20-30 pages, during which time they're working on the next batch, and when the pages run out, a hiatus occurs til the next batch is done. I'm not a big fan of this, but then I'm going for more of a newspaper comic analog. lots of quick ones, not big insanely detailed stories you could actually publish as a book.
>153678121
yes but their depravity is a hatred of sexuality. anything normal, they despise.

>>153677969
That is a good idea. Do thumbnails of your pages first so you have a general idea how you want the pages to look. It will save you time and headaches.

>>153671678
It's probably because you weren't looking at the Bad Webcomics wiki for the tea, and questionable content pops up there

>>153677149
>Hell, you'll absolutely improve in your art in the process
The thing that terrifies me most is the thought that maybe my art wouldn't improve at all, that it would look like kindergarten doodles even after years of trying.

>>153677951
That wasn't me.

>>153671563
You don't start at ''Good'' with art, you start at ''Dogshit''

>>153678245
You will improve, even if you don't realize it. Go find any webcomic that's been going for years and compare the first page to the latest one.

>>153678245
Worrying about your improvement inhibits your improvement. Just let it happen. It's like falling asleep, you can't fixate on it, you have to just let it nestle in between your cheeks and go in.

>>153678390
unless it's one of those that constantly redoes the old chapters to make them better...

>>153678691
It's okay to go back and redo some old pages to see how far you've come, but constant "improvements" to the same page is just autism.
Let art have flaws. It's part of what makes it art. Move on and make better art.

>>153678178
I used to go to that website all the time. I probably did see the article but don’t remember.

>>153679458
I like making fun of it.
reminds me of that Adventure Time comic where they go back in time to the pilot, and Finn's like "oh hey it was that day when I told you to call me Pen all day, remember?"
>>153679599
Did you just not care about what assholes they were, or...

>>153677495
>since you morons started calling it 'coom'
calling it coomershit was a response to the phenomenom, not the cause retard

>>153674536
dumb ESL

>>153679840
uh huh

>>153679810
>Did you just not care about what assholes they were, or...
what?

>>153680017
bad webcomics wiki? do I have to spell that out for you?
Sorry, do you think it's okay to have a repository of vitriol toward people doing something for free to express themselves? Where they can tear everything apart for how 'offensive' it is?

>>153680031
Oh I get it now. You’re just having a nervous breakdown.

>>153680043
Son I have not BEGUN to break down.
Someday you are going to be on the other end and it's not gonna be so funny.

>>153680053
Were you a victim of that wiki or something lmao

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>>153677233
You could self-host, like Prequel and other successful comics do. Getting a .com with a basic hosting package for ComicPress shouldn't be too expensive (unless you're a thirdie like me), and you don't need a shitload of storage for webcomics if you don't upload print-size 700dpi uncompressed .PNGs for every update.
I did that when I tried starting my own webcomic with a friend, though that fell through some 6 pages in and now I just keep the hosting and the domain as a fridge for shit I wanna upload somewhere but don't wanna see compression rape image resolution.

>>153680068
no
>haha you just hate them because you got snubbed, you weren't even important enough to mock
anon-in-my-head, please stop being a child. 'lolcow' shit is not okay. Anyone who tolerates it needs to be severely disciplined.
>>153680120
Actually web hosting is an order of magnitude more expensive than it used to be, along with everything else to do with computers. There was a time to do this, and we missed it.

>>153680150
A fucking hot dog is an order of magnitude more expensive than it used to be, alongside every other thing in the world. You can still find perfectly acceptable deals on shittier options that work perfectly well for hosting some static HTML pages with a static image on them. You don't need a 20-core CPU 5PB RAM dedicated machine hosting for $5000/mo for even the most ambitious webcomic.

>>153680189
naw hotdogs are food, they're about twice what they used to cost.
Look into it, my guy. I want to be wrong. But I think maybe you're not aware of how cheap it used to be. And more to the point, you could offset it and pay for it with ads.
Then some fucknuts allowed people to put malware in flash in ads, and their solution was 'make flash run shittier' meanwhile our solution was 'adblocks everywhere please'

>>153680286
Looking back at historical prices for anything is my shortcut to suicidal ideation, but I believe you and will take your word for it. I know dotcoms used to be stupid-cheap before, and that's enough emotional scarring for me to carry.

>>153680315
yeah..
I just wish we had just ONE fucking company that wanted to be like Keenspace/ComicGenesis again. Free hosting, no restrictions, you run THEIR ads, if it's "adult" you just mark it that way on your signup so they can send the signal to browsers that wish to filter that, but it doesn't have to be on the site. It was so simple.
And the model must still be working, since they're still (barely) up, though the fact that there's like exactly 2 people still working there might have something to do with that.

>>153680150
>anon-in-my-head, please stop being a child. 'lolcow' shit is not okay. Anyone who tolerates it needs to be severely disciplined.
You talk like a lolcow, or at the very least someone who needs to be medicated.

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>>153671563
If you plan on making a story driven comic the only thing that really matters is your commitment to the project. Everything else is secondary. I don't want to scare you off but if you want an audience and a good reputation, then whatever idea you have in your head right now needs to be something you can commit years of your life too.

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>>153671604
>>153671690
>>153677149
Honestly, that's one of the reasons I've been so invested in the Cat Girl webcomic. It's a weekly routine for me now.

>>153671678
Me. I am.