>>153675829
Unpleasant as it is the point was to show how vapid a thoroughbred nepobaby celebrity who doesn't have to reflect on anything would be if they were also gifted the powers and trappings of a superhero. Because writers noticing the masses clamoring around reality tv personalities began turning superheroes into such archetypes, Ennis clearly has a bone to pick with all parties involved there plus some stuff about American's war economy so, there you are. The Boys.

If anything the moments where he shows unusual perceptiveness like trying to figure out Butcher's angle or working subtly to arrange a coup are what feel off, most wealthy idiot spawn don't bother with speculation and aspiration outside of what cocktail of substances are needed to best maintain their chill for the day, but you could excuse it as stemming from him still having a designer baby brain even if he chooses lowbrow thinking.
That and of course Ennis knows the story needs tension.

Is sister sage like that in the comic?

>>153678001
There is no comic sister sage.

I generally like homelander in the comic than the TV show after season 1.

>>153675829
What was so dogshit about him?
He was good in the comic.

i know everybody hates the baby eating twist but homelander being the only good supe in a world full of shit makes him stand out. he has an actual arc. does show homelander even have an arc? I don't even know.

>>153678158
That’s stretching it, season 2 and 3 was okay

>>153675829
The Boys was Ennis completely unloading on cape comics while expressing his disillusionment with post-9/11 America. Homelander represents both.

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>>153675829
Fun

>>153675829
Homelander is one of the few good parts of the comic?

>>153678243
Homelander is not a good supe, he was just a regular asshole like the rest of them, not an ultra psycho like he, the boys and vought were led to believe.

>>153679148
He's not that above other characters, he just gets the benefit of showing up somewhat consistently. If you consider him one of 'the few good parts' then it means you didn't like the idea or execution of the comic.

Genuinely. Literally and honestly. I do not understand how people can like this garbage. It is the most braindead, edgy shit possible. You would have to have the mentality of a child. Is the explanation just that people really are that stupid that they can be entertained by whatever puerile shit is put in front of them?

This and Invincible and Injustice. /co/ eats all that shit up. When it could easily have been written by a 14 year old with emotional issues.

I'm not saying you have to are only allowed to appreciate high art, but there should be a fucking minimum level.

>>153675829
>Garth Ennis probl
My guess is Ennis is an ego maniac and doesnt know how real people act or that other people have feelings and drives that he does not. This is a mirror into how sad and pathetic he is because he thinks this is clever observations.

Or he is writing by formula, just doing the opposite of what he expects heroes ro be like without much thought.

>>153679436
You're autistic and he's just having a laugh.

Because Garth Ennis, duh. He can only write Punisher

>>153679452
Preacher was good enough that he can coast till he dies.

>>153679452

>preacher is good
>punisher max is good
>punisher in vietnam is good

Even if you don't resonate with The Boys the man is solid.

>>153678156
There is, but she's just a backgrounder.

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>>153679452
>>153679474
Hitman was great too.

Just don't let Ennis get off his leash and go to edgelord town

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>>153679515

the Lobo collab is amazing, I love the pencils dearly.

>>153679136
This is my opinion about this comic. It's strange how the guy created a character who has the opinion of his haters and completely agrees with the character.
It must be the only time it's ever happened in history.

>>153679337
>It is the most braindead, edgy shit possible
Exactly anon, and that's fine for me. It doesn't have any normie appeal at all so i see why you and others dislike it.

>>153679337
Injustice is so bad it ends up being good, and it's not very edgy. Besides, people like this because of the games.

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>>153679337

QUEEN MAEVE
QUEEN MAEVE

>>153679337
It's not good, but you're honestly too stupid for it. Most of the vocal detractors of the comic are. Don't take this the wrong way, I don't mean it as a petty insult, but just from the way you write, you lack the level of comprehension to justify calling others "that stupid". For one, you parrot the same points as any non-reader. Not asking for humility here, just tone it down a bit. You're not doing much better than the people you're crapping on.
The Boys is not sophisticated by any means, but there's more going on in it than juvenile humor and lackluster parody. Even this dumb shit takes a modicum of skill to execute as well (or as badly) as it was. It would have to be a very savvy 14 year old.

>>153679731
lol, you're a pretentious midwit

>>153675829
>waaah why is the villain so unlikeable
idk lilbro

>>153679452
>>153679436
i'll never understand the Ennis Derangement Syndrome some of you people have developed

>>153679774

he is irish.

>>153679787
Irish-AMERICAN

>>153679804
He deserves all the hate.

>>153679337
>You would have to have the mentality of a child.
Or Garth Ennis. He needs a tard wrangler so he doesn't step on his own dick with childish shit.

>>153679739
I rest my case.

>>153675829
He actually likes Superman, and could think of even less aspects to mock him over than the other shallow "parodies"

>>153679846
>He proclaims himself the winner of a debate that doesn't exist.
You're retarded

>>153679309
>then it means you didn't like the idea or execution of the comic.
that may well be the case desu senpai

>>153675829
he wrote homelander as an alpha male supe that think he was the apex predator when he was just a tool for someone at the end.

>>153679337
it's just a fun read. you need to skip past certain parts like whenever the legend is talking, but there's plenty of fun moments.
>>153679474
preacher is one of those things that get worse with each read for me. not only there are plenty of cringy dialogues that really tell you ennis was feeling super smart while writing them, but jesse and tulip are such fucking mary sues, goddamn
>yes I can actually solo a bravo team because some redneck beat the crap out of me when I was a child
fuck off. from a certain point on the only interesting character is starr
>>153679515
much more solid series, although it kinda suffers from his syndrome of portraying other superheroes quite out of characters and basically like morons (he at least had the decency of not doing it with superman).
but yeah, if I had to pick, punisher is objectively his best work. maybe he was more scritinized so his autism was kept in check as suggested here >>153679817, but it's the more balanced series he worked on imo

>>153680382
Preacher is his best work. The main cast of Preacher is a collection of tall tale legends mixed with sorts of inspirations. It's pretty steeped in Americana, from Frank Miller to Herman Melville. Yes, it's quite flawed, but it's still great.
Preacher > Hitman > Punisher >>> The Boys

If you aren't from the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland then you will never truly understand The Boys.

>>153680451
I see what you mean, but for me jesse and tulip are just annoying to follow, the story just keeps hammering you with how cool they are, how obsessed they are with each other, and how much they fuck. there really isn't much to their characters past a certain point.
the point of the arc of jesse in the town with the meat fucker was just a chance for him being morally superior to a bunch of hillbillies. that whole shit about bill hicks is perfectly skippable.
also, I don't even get what god's plan was, he's strong enough to protect people from genesis' power, so why doesn't he just fry jesse alive and be donw with it? they say he's probably scared of jesse, but there's nothing to demonstrate it. maybe I'm forgetting some details, it's been a while. and it's also quite retarded that god got killed because he wasn't sitting on a chair, like he's just some dude with magic powers
tl;dr preacher is obviously a work of heart for him, but his more restrained work has aged much better.
anyway the prequel about the saint was really nice

>>153680521
>I don't even get what god's plan was, he's strong enough to protect people from genesis' power,
That was a mental block on his part, God didn't make them immune.

>>153680521
>jesse and tulip
I quit reading the comics because I couldn't stand them anymore.

>>153680539
was it? I remember they actually stoke a deal with god and that's why they were immune. anyway if god got close enough to suck his eye out he might have as well ripped his head off

>>153675829
I find his smile unsettling...

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>>153679515
>>153679544
lol no
>he posted it again
It will cease when it stops being relevant.

>>153679731
>it's clearly too smart for you to understand
lol
lmao

He just feels like he's constantly doing and saying the direct opposite of what Garth Ennis would, regardless of context or results.

>>153675829
Surprisingly, comic Homelander only intentionally kills people 2 times in the entire comic, making him more restrained than show Homelander

>>153675978
>war economy
but the military industrial complex are the good guys and ennis loves the military

>>153682589
Ennis does not love the military lol. You are fucking retarded.

Ennis has the same love of tanks and guns and war machinery that he had when he was 11 years old writing in to that Boy's Own style comic about the wrong fucking details on the Panzer or whatever, but arguably his entire fucking career has been taking the mythologizing of masculine interests and careers like that and showing how insanely fucked up the idealisation of them is. You are literally too dumb for a hick Irishman's goreslop if you think Ennis loves the military. Are we gonna have to start talking about the fucking Troubles.

Please don't let them do The Crossed next, Ennis edgelord shit only works with the Punisher

>>153682636
>this is what ennis fags actually believe

Why did anyone ever think that shading looked good?

>>153675829
I thought it was established at this point that Garth Ennis is the kind of person who jerks off to Liveleak footage

>>153682676
I think The Boys is garbage. I just actually fucking read 2000AD as a kid and can understand that Hitman, Punisher and Preacher are not saying 'OMG I FUCKING LOVE THE ARMY' retard.

Ennis grew up on John Wagner and Pat Mills and the war comics in Battle like Charley's War, Darkie's Mob, Death Squad and Johnny Red. These are all boy's own war stories yeah, but they're also pretty fucking cynical and the protagonists are regularly devastated by the material and social costs of war. Ennis saying "look at this thing we all think is cool, it's actually fucking horrible" is true of him writing about war and about superheroes, no difference, and you can absolutely draw a line from what he grew up on to what he wrote in his career.

>>153682697
shading is goo
but it can't save shit art

>>153682756
cool story bro

>>153682758
No, digital airbrushed pillow shading was always bad.

>>153675829
Elaborate on your issues with him in the comic, because the characters are by far the best thing about the original, and Homelander is one of the best of them.

I've never heard a comparison of any of the comics characters vs the show that favored the show and didn't sound like the retarded ramblings of some faggot whose idea of good characterization is
>haha, he said Trump thing so I know he bad

>>153679501
hitman too

>>153675978
He was never portrayed as being stupid in the comic, just immature/unstable. That was literally his whole arc, was that he was trying desperately to impress his "daddy" without even realizing it.

>>153682846
pfffff

>>153682589
>he missed the entire issue dedicated to talking about how the military fucked over service members with dogshit equipment because of their incestuous relationship with contractors like Vought

I bet you also thought the comic was actually about superheroes.

>>153679337
You can tell this is a zoomzoom because he doesn't remember how par for the course this level of edge was in the early 00's. We're talking about the decade that spawned Bumfights and Abu Ghraib. The Boys is edgy because that was the zeitgeist of the time, and because it provides a perfect contrast with the conversation scenes which otherwise would otherwise feel like a drag.
Just take >>153679136 . How hard would this have hit if Homelander hadn't been shown doing all the edgy shit he did? Stilwell is shows to be superior because he is absolutely unflinching and maintains a constant level of maturity which mogs all of Homelander's edginess.
TL;DR you're a retard zoomer who's getting filtered by Ennis of all things

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>>153679337
>It is the most braindead, edgy shit possible
Yeah dumbass that’s why it’s funny

>>153679337
>I'm literally too retarded to understand the most basic critique of early-2000s celebrity culture and american industrial imperialism because it has le edgy gore in it

>>153679731
This guy nailed it. I don't necessarily agree with him on the quality of the comic, I personally enjoy it for what it is, but the fact is 99% of people who shit on the comic straight up don't understand it and that's depressing as hell considering how transparently obvious it is in its messaging.

Like yeah it's fine if you don't like it, it's fine if you think it's bad or its message is wrong or whatever, it's not fine if you can't manage to fathom within your peanut sized brain that the most surface level critique of "it has blood and rape so it bad" is retarded.

>>153682988
quit responding to yourself

>>153682999
>I'm so tiktok brainrotted that I instantly fly into a blind rage when a piece of media has characters who do bad things

>>153683028
schizophrenia

>>153683035
>I think every person with the ability to read beyond surface-level gore in comics from 20 years ago is the same person
>No, I am not a schizo, you are the schizo

>>153683065
you are literally arguing against something never said

>>153681268

You posted that again.

>>153683093
>no u

>>153683102
>>153681268
>It will cease when it stops being relevant.

>>153678001
Keikaku nigress didn't exist in the comic

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>>153682589

Ennis observe the warrior ethos, that's why he hates superheroes, makes people forget about the real human beings actually doing the ultimate sacrifice.

>>153675829
You gonna expand at any point on what you think was so bad about the way he was written, or was this just an excuse to post some retarded shit and walk away?

barf penis

>>153683144

But you have to use the same page over and over again? Is boring, does not help to develop your position.

>>153683191
gottem

>>153683194
the page is indefensible
your complaining about it adds to its worth

Ennis is a faggot and a cunt but sometimes he can produce something that isn't total 14yr old babby's first edgelord shit.

>>153675829
Reminder that the people who think this way are the same people who say that Ennis himself is an irredeemable homophobe because Butcher isn't PC in the way he talks about fags in the story.

>>153679136
It was pure lameness for how the show tried to adapt this scene. There wasn’t no weight because it was just straight imitation.

>>153683310
Nta, but I haven't see you dissect it properly. You keep posting and expect others to read your mind.

>>153684360
reaching

>>153683310

there is no worth in repetition.

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>>153683310
What about this page?

>>153679337
>It is the most braindead, edgy shit possible.
But enough about Crossed.

>>153684732
coping
>>153684763
that one's funny and enjoyable by everyone

>>153684797
Well I did fap to it.

>>153684797

coping about what? About the fact you lack the capacity of creating a real argument? Or maybe you are just incredibly lazy.

>>153684803
gay
>>153684812
ah, we have a wannabe intellectual on our hands

>>153684831

I accept your unconditional surrender.

>>153685356
cute

>>153685458

Thank you, I love you dude.

>>153685474
let's fuck

>>153685505

we really are Herogasmo issue one (2006) pencils by John McCrea and Keith Burns.

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Does anyone care about the main cast in the show that isn’t butcher or huey since majority of the discussion I see about this show online thru the years I see bearly anyone talk about them like even unimportant supes seem to be more talked about

>>153686500
Does anyone care about any of them including Butcher or Huey?

>>153679136
>Words words words "I have father issues" words

>>153682756
Would you say the Boys is worth reading even if it is garbage? I tried reading crossed and I didn't really care for it.

>>153687317
It's worth reading to see if you actually think it's garbage. People in general are very divided on it, between the braindead retards who straight up can't read past the surface level like OP, those who can but still don't enjoy the book, and those of us who do enjoy it for the character arcs either in spite of or in some cases along with all the 2000s era edge. Can't tell you where you'll fall on that spectrum, but I will say it's an extremely different read from Crossed, so I wouldn't use that to judge how you'll feel about it.

>>153687317

Crossed is misery porn and quick shock value.

>>153683176
But he likes Superman.

>>153686500
I don’t care about any of them.

>>153686500

People likes Deep but I think Frenchie should receive some love.

What they did to The Female of the Species. Makes nonsense to me. Part of the magic is the character is eccentric, with rules for interaction that only Frenchie full dominates those rules. Enriches both characters.

>>153688029
Frenchie and the Female were both utterly ruined by the show's writers trying to "fix" them by giving them extremely generic tragic backstory shit and trying to humanize them, when the entire point of them was that they were both fundamentally broken monsters that Butcher was exploiting to his own ends while pretending to treat them like people.

>>153687604
crossed is Garth at his worst, punisher max is him at his best. the difference between this two series is self control.
everything else is a mix

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If you had the same powers, do you believe you would turn out like Homelander? What are you thoughts anons?

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>>153688551

You know the answer to that.

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>>153679337
Western entertainment has been stagnating for over a decade now and mainstream comics (capeshit) has literally never been good.
The people that still like capeshit are sunk cost fags who are too afraid to dip their toes in other genres, you see the same shit with people wo are obsessed with Star Wars still. There are way better space operas out there, you just need to go look for them. Most people just want to stick in their comfort zone. Really everyone is guilty of it in some way, it is just obvious with western media and more so with all the anti-west anti male anti-White shit that people demand must be in everything in the west. Because entertainment in the west is so much more centralized than weeb stuff you keep seeing the same fuckers and same string pullers who have the same mandates for everything

>>153686500
Safe Edge, the picture.

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I have a question for the people watching the show. Does the MM origin story centered around the abuse that corporations inflict upon factory/blue collar workers? Or that angle was eliminated for the TV Amazon version?

>>153679549
It's because the haters don't get what he's doing.

>>153686500
I care about the comic book versions.

>>153683176
It's funny that he's a complete larper about the army and hates captain america a fictional character written by army vets to inspire patriotism during the only war america has ever been justified in being in. Just a level lack of understanding from a military fetishist.

>>153691183
>the only war america has ever been justified in being in
Anon...

>>153691276
Lol'd

>>153690268
Soldier Boy was stopping teens from stealing a car and he threw the car into their apartment, killing his grandpa. MM's dad tried to sue Vaught that's basically it

>>153691296

Amazon is behind the project after all. Thank you anon. Appreciated.

https://youtu.be/yO9VRtrTJwc

>>153679337
I respect people who enjoy capeshit for what it is infinitely more than people like you who imagine that they're somehow above it all because they prefer "mature" cartoons. You are a My Little Pony fan looking down on Barney fans. It's embarrassing. If you were half the person you imagine yourself to be then you would never be on this board in the first place.

>>153679337
I only know this franchise from seeing clips. The guy who plays Homelander is a good actor but everything not directly involving him seems aggressively juvenile and a huge waste of time.

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To the anon who’s obsessed with Queen Maeve, check this out.

>>153691662

Thank you anon, I appreciate your artwork recognizing the only real hero of the Seven.

>>153691603
I notice a lot posts on recent The Boys threads use the word 'juvenile' whenever making a complaint. What's so wrong with being juvenile?

>>153692382
*in a mockingly nasally voice*
What's so wrong with being juvenile?

>>153675829
Because he wasn't the main villain. Butcher was

>>153692382
For some reason, in all of /co/, adults show up and wag their finger solely at Garth Ennis. Never mind all the toddler cartoon threads or tantrums about Spider-Man, or even the tantrums against Ennis.

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>>153692609

It's irish-american discrimination.

>>153692831
I heard Garth Ennis ate some cat shit.

>>153690268
Literally every bit of substance to any of the characters was eliminated in the show, anon. If it's not "Homelander is literally Trump, LOOK AT HIM" then it does not exist in the show.

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>>153692443
There was no main villain, the story was about problems with society itself. Pretty much every main character in the story was both a victim and a villain to some extent, even Hughie. The only real exception was Stillwell, and that's because he's not even actually a character, he's a representative of corporate apathy.

>>153694600
How is Hughie a villain?

>>153675829
>He’s a fuckup degenerate but he knows he’s not THAT bad
>Can’t remember doing what he’s accused of that there’s even “evidence” for
>Just decides to stop trying & instead will openly be the antichrist tier evil he’s perceived as
>Finds out it was all done by a clone designed to kill him if he went rogue
>Realizes him going nuclear with the supe insurrection didn’t have to happen
He’s one of the best written characters in the comic wtf are you talking about? The show pales in the depth of him & Butcher’s arc. Two people who were both fucked over by something they couldn’t have ever figured out.

>>153692246
Not my art. Found it in the hypno thread

>>153694988
Mostly in extremely minor ways, he is the closest to an actually pure good character in the series besides Annie, but it's a frequent plot point that he's overly naive and kind of blind to his own issues. You've got some of the stuff with him and Annie where he gets up in his own shit and treats her poorly (this is very minor as far as "villainous" actions go, again I understand that this does not make him a bad person) and of course his unresolved anger at supes in general that can lead to him doing some fucked up shit like for example kicking a man's head off because Butcher goaded him into it.

>>153695029

I appreciate you.

>>153695791
Having flaws is not villanous, anon. And the one super he killed on purposed was the one who killed his girlfriend and threw him into this mess in the first place, and he felt terrible about it even though he was completely justified. It was an one and done deal, don't make it look like he does this stuff on occasion.

>>153691296
Well thats retarded, the show feels like an insult to the source material with the way it changes things but somehow Ennis is perfectly fine with it.

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>>153696091

I don't blame him. I am happy for him.

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>>153688551
being a dictator seems like it'd be too much of a hassle honestly even if you had a puppet to basically do all of it for you, most I'd do is find some place in the middle of nowhere to live and tell people to stay the fuck away or get dead, maybe a harem

>>153675829
That's just how Ennis writes people he doesn't like

>>153691662
>>153692246
Help me understand why anyone would be so grateful for such bad art.

>>153688551
Not sure what homelander did but I would kill people who ruin shit but I wouldn't rule. I don't have the charisma for it.

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>>153691662
>the anon who’s obsessed with Queen Maeve
You sure it's just one?

>>153675829
He's still written like shit in the show, it's just Anthony Starr is a really good actor able to make diamonds from coal

>>153697264
Personally I prefer show Maeve in personality. I just liked Margret as a person.
I liked her and Starlight in the first two seasons for at least trying to be heroes. Like Marie too for the same reason

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>>153697285
Yeah that's fair. The Boys really flew off the rails with Season 3, didn't it?

>>153697727
Yeah. It’s a shame because I liked it until then. I also really liked parts of Gen V but the writing was so inconsistent.
Marie and Cipher had the potential to be a legendary hero vs villain rivalry. But they meandered too much and then wasted Godolkin.
I also really like Hughie but he never has much time to shine. They really needed to emphasize him being a nerd using his comic and movie knowledge to his advantage more

>>153697285
Maeve was ruined for the show.
She's supposed to be a jaded cunt who gets her head punched off her body by Homelander and instead she's yet another "woman can do no wrong" character who gets written off to go do gay things.

>>153697897
>They really needed to emphasize him being a nerd using his comic and movie knowledge to his advantage more
You never read The Boys and I'm not sure why you THINK you like the show

>>153698090
In the show Hughie was shown to be a fan of Tek Knight and other heroes before joining. I thought he was going to use his knowledge to exploit weaknesses and I was disappointed when he didn’t

>>153698090
The fact that they took the character who was supposed to represent being run through the fucking ringer by Vought's media machine and giving up by way of spending all day getting blasted and riding dick nonstop into a le stronk womyn lesbian girl power figure is so fucking ass, like I don't know if there's a single thing they could have done to miss the point of her harder.

>>153697897
>I also really like Hughie
Why? Literally what about him is there to like? His character is nothing. Nothing they do with him makes sense or pays off, he exists solely to be a stand in for whatever the writers want to say about "muh fragile male ego" that week. Not a single bit of his storyline even makes sense.

>>153682589
Ennis loves rank and file soldiers, but he hates the generals.

>>153700069
what a retard

>>153682589
Ennis loves soldiers. He hates the MIC.

The entire plot of The Platoon is Frank Castle doing his damnedest to keep his men alive, and trying to work around the retarded commands and restraints of the system they're stuck in.

>>153679515
His best work.

>>153700879
>I drew them as the wojack and my self insert as the chad
>because only boots on the ground officers care about their men

I'm pretty sure The boys series turned out abasolute horseshit in the last seasons
Ennis is gonna crawl out from underneath his rock and either write a boys comic Revival just to shit on Amazon and the series or do a spiritual sequel to shit on the mcu'ing of his satire
Probably shit on Jensen for doing a supernatural reunion

What this comic needed was Mr. Hyde raping the invisible man.

>>153678243
>i know everybody hates the baby eating twist but homelander being the only good supe in a world full of shit makes him stand out. he has an actual arc. does show homelander even have an arc? I don't even know.
he literally has starlight gangraped in her first apperance.

>>153682988
>critique of early-2000s celebrity culture and american industrial imperialism
wow so deep I've never heard those before, kill yourself

>>153701582
to be clear im speaking about comic homelander here. my point is he isnt the only good supe from the start in the comics.

Unless you mean in terms of writing quality or something?

>>153675829
big chin on this bloke

>>153702621
for you maybe

This thread made me read Punisher Max, wasn't a fan of the character before but it was a very interesting dive

>>153701069
Debatable.

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In this board Queen Maeve is a hero. She faced down Homelander when none of the other assholes was there to help her.

>>153701618
Nobody said it was deep you retard, that's the point. If you can't understand that's what the comic is about like most of the people who parrot the dumbshit opinions that the show added substance to the story by turning it into several seasons of "Trump bad" then you are drooling retard.

>>153701582
>he literally has starlight gangraped in her first apperance.
I agree that anon is retarded if he thinks comics Homelander is a "good supe" before he goes full melty, but don't exaggerate. There was no gangrape, he and A-Train coerced her into blowing them by dangling a job over her head. You don't have to make it sound like something way worse than it was for it to be bad.