"Imagine attending the funeral of the guy who stole your ex, only to see your former bully standing beside her, ready to become her next boyfriend."
PaulBITCH is DEAD. KWABOOTY!!
>>153680727Have you tried not being an incel, anon?
>>153680727Another common Spider-Flop L
>>153680746FPBP.
>>153680727>spoiler>it's just the preview
>>153680751Damn, look at Logan's cake, holy shit
>>153680746Based Torment.
>AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #31 MARCUS TO ISSUE 1000 FORESHADOW VARIANT
>>153680727At this point just rebrand it to The Amazing Spider-Cuck.It REALLY feels like they are angling for the Rent-a-Girlfriend audience with all of this NTR shit and the main couple of that series also is toxically one-sided and dragged out to over 400+ chapters where you can skip literally hundreds of chapters with either nothing significant happening or things returning to the status quo of Kazuya being a spineless bitch that Chizuru has rejected (again) while he sobs and jerks off to fantasies of other guys fucking her. 2022 ASM onwards unironically feels like the same shit with a Spider-Man flavor.
>>153680727>Peter why are you here?>Sorry, I thought this was going to be Shocker's funeral and it would look awkward if I left now>Why's Norman at Paul's funeral>To make sure he's really dead
>>153680786Andrews decided to give them both big asses
>>153680799Why does editorial assume Peter always wanted to fuck his aunt?
>>153680838>marvel employees are basically MJfags in the closet who live vicariously through Peter ParkerBold accusation.
>>153680838God forbid exes having romantic lives outside of you or attending funerals of people they knew
>judge not lest ye be judgedFuck it we ball.>did I take advantage of my mentally ill father for monetary gain?>did my gross abuse lead to the omnicide of my world?>did I break down and gaslight a woman over time to think her loved one was dead, who had no option other than me for what felt like four years?>did I know about the time dilation, knowing I studied it, and never mention that to her in case that might ruin my chances with filial loyalty?>did I never apologize for ruining that relationship, to the same man who rescued me?>did I make and give a superpowered lottery machine that works on fucking luck to that woman who has just lost fake children you helped manipulate into a relationship, sending her into dangerous situations over and over when her mental health is fucked?>did I never consider taking on the responsibility and risk, unlike the man whose spirit I broke, like I was actually feeling guilty for any of this?>chicken korma when you're a vegan, whatever happened there.No. Proverbs fail here.Fuck you Lowe, every reader judges the shit out of this parasite you made and feel too embarrassed to mea culpa.Also wasn't Paul an atheist? Hey Priest, you gonna absolve the omnicide culpability post-mortem? You really think this guys in heaven?
>>153680727Are flash and MJ holding hands?
>>153681283Paul is currently in hell, making a deal with mephisto
>>153680965The whole point of mjs character is to be the love interest of Peter. Its literally why she was created. Flash is Paul 2.0.
>>153681419Do you seethe this much about Betty being married to Ned and how Peter was “cucked” by it? How about when Felicia dates someone else?
>>153681425Yes. And I seethe when Marvel tries to put spider-Gwen with Miles or someone else. Any variant of Gwen should belong to Peter.
>>153680727wasnt paul jewish? his name is literally rabin
>Paul is deadYou stupid non comic readers still don't fucking get it. Just Paul existing and having a name means he can always come back.Either from a alternative universe or resurrection through magic or even a fakeout death.This fucking shit character is permanently attached to Marvel like shit on my ass.
>>153681425Not really. Ditko kind of put an end to betty and peter, they were done. BC was never meant to be the stability in Peters life. One of the creators of spider man chose to marry him to MJ. They were married and almost had two children in 616. And now they want to create a new family for her with flash and dylan.
>>153681464Didn't Betty also cheat on bed with flash?
>>153681443Have you read Torment who killed him?Reviving Paul Rabin would only make him more of a pedophile type character.
>>153681433Incel
>>153681464As stated in the other thread >>153678370 It is kind of funny that Mary jane has been thrust unwilling into the role of wife and mother for two consecutive character arcs in a row.
>>153681464>Ditko kind of put an end to betty and peterSo you’re a hypocrite when MJ and Peter were similarly broken up
>>153681734Being a wife and mom workd for her, i think Marvel is not interested in writing her well and is more or less taking a piss at your expense and what you care about.
>>153680727Guys I literally didn't know what the fuck OP was talking about.Like legitimately no clue what is supposed to be causing the outrage and meltdown.
>>153681436Yes. The No-Prize explanation is that MJ organized the funeral and this was just one last bit of insensitivity on her part.>>153681476Yes, with both Flash and Peter at different points in time.>>153681739Peter was the one who decided he didn't want anything to do with Betty anymore.
>>153681801>YesSo Paul was a jewish not an atheist? Can someone translate? I don't speak Epstein.
>>153681739You are an absolute brainlet; these were not the same. Not in circumstance, style or execution. kill yourself immediately.
>>153681801>Yes, with both Flash and Peter at different points in timeFlash goes after all of Peters Ex's
>>153681864>Flash goes after all of Peters Ex'sHe's going after Carnage now? Wow.
>>153681850Paul was a secular Jew. Having a Priest at his funeral would be against his wishes.
>>153680727>next to herAnon she's next to dylan and ana.
>Norman totally disitrested
>>153682440She and Flash are flanking Dylan like a mother and Father. It really isnt hard to extrapolate what White, Ewing, and Gomez are trying to do.
>>153680838>>153680965I think the weirdest thing about it all isn't that editorial broke Peter and MJ up. Their reasons for doing so are stupid but well documented. I think the crazy thing is how they insist on having MJ be a supporting character forever regardless.Yes, it is not unrealistic for MJ to date other people after having been with Peter but do you know what is unrealistic? Peter and MJ being in each other's lives at all at this point. They divorced. They do not have kids. There is no reason for them to be spending time together.
>>153682519So did MJ have the miscarriage that was actually a babynapping post OMIT or what?God 616 is such a fucking mess.
>>153682519>Peter and MJ being in each other's lives at all at this point. They divorced. They do not have kids. There is no reason for them to be spending time together.Anna and May are friends and there is no reason why you couldn’t stay friendly with your ex, especially when you share friends and she knows Peter’s secret
>>153682057Secular jew? That describes Epstein in his leaks I guess. If we're using his funeral as an example then you wanted him to be buried privately which would've been expensive like all privacy is and be put besides his family that is either nonexistent or fake like the gone fake children which is creepy. Is this correct?
>>153681283And what gets me is Paul does all those awful things and there's zero payoff. You're reading these stories going "wow, Paul's really gonna get his comeuppance" and nothing happens. Mary Jane just goes along with it, Peter's just like "aw shucks this guy orchestrated the love of my life ditching me but oh well a double date with them sounds awesome!" I mean yeah eventually he died but then they give him this funeral scene like we're supposed to be sad this awful, selfish human being has finally gotten some sort of punishment. Fucking. Retarded. Everyone involved needs shitcanned I mean seriously
>>153682519It amazes me a terrible peoples takes continue to be. >I think the crazy thing is how they insist on having MJ be a supporting character foreverMarvel hasnt treated MJ like a supposting cast member since Paul. What are you taking about?>They divorcedNo they didn't. The whole point of the deal with the devil is that a divorce would age peter up. They did not Divorce, infact the interation with Mephisto ends with MJ believing she and Peter can beat the devil and find each other again.
>>153682698The bizarre humiliation rituals of those dates and the chicken korma was something else.I can't relate to these characters. Nothing about them is relatable. Noone is asking basic questions or feeling the things Humans should be feeling. Fuck we didn't even MJ saying thanks for rescuing me until the END of Wells run? And NOW we are talking about the Paul arc? Four years and a sweep it under the rug in one issue eh?God I can't imagine actually being invested in this plot beyond bile fascination.
>>153682573It should just be a secular funeral, they have those. Instead they went with the cliched priest which is hilariously insulting to Paul.
>>153681425Nah. The meta on Betty is calling her insane.
>>153682776>and as I speak, the departed is getting his ass reamed by Demons in hell for the omnicide he abetted, and is telling them they are not supernatural beings but in fact just sufficiently advanced aliens>amen
>>153680727Spidey is a guy who could be fucking Black Cat RIGHT NOW, so I refuse to feel bad for him regarding what his ex does after she fumbled the Spider-ball.
>>153682869He couldn't be fucking Black Cat right now because she's a lesbian now.
>>153680727Somebody Leak it! pretty please!
>>153683016It only is going to get leaked if there is a major last page reveal like MJ's mother is still alive and is a priestess of Knull or something, and that is just like one day early.
>>153682906Felicia is bi, silly-billy
>>153683254Yeah, in mainstream media these days that means gay.
>>153680727>Rest in peace eternally>they literally wrote "and stay fucking dead you faggot" on his tombstonekek
>>153682869>a guy who could be fucking Black Cat RIGHT NOWexcept he can't, because they had her randomly decide that both of them were just going through the motions despite their relationship not being portrayed like that at all on the page and then fuck off to go munch some carpet in the next pride issue.
Now Lowe is saying that MJ broke up with Peter before finding Paul.https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-paul-rabin-death-mary-jane-watson-venom-amazing-spider-man-interview
>>153683266No, it means they’re bisexual and depending on the story can swing either way
>>153683334okay retard
>>153683334Sure, as long as they're pure faggots again by the next time Marvel wants to show how progressive they are by trotting out all the gays they have in their toybox.
>>153680727See this is the fundamental problem I have with all of this. People were going YEAH HE'S DEAD! MOST HATED CHARACTER DEAD! But killing a character only makes them more important. We're going to have to deal with fall out of this. We're going to have to deal with this for longer than we would have if the character just fucked off and we all agreed to never speak of it again.
>>153683427>if the character just fucked off and we all agreed to never speak of it againWhich was very obviously never going to happen with the current editorial team. At least this way he's fucking dead.
>>153680727Did half those people even know him?
>>153681504I'm ready for loli Torment.
>>153683325I'm sorry, what? Wasn't Peter about to propose to Mary Jane when she got kidnapped into another dimension by fucking Paul?
>>153683427This. He does all this awful shit to Mary Jane that anyone who's not a psychopath would lead them to think "well it's obvious he's going to turn out to be a villain of some sorts" and nope, he just dies and gets a hero's funeral. Fucking insane.
>>153680746I'm listening to the music with no fearYou can hear it too if you're sincere'Cause I'm a punk rocker, yes I am
>>153680727Pete is fucking a snu snu alien lady, he's gonna be OK.
>>153683427>We're going to have to deal with fall out of this. We're going to have to deal with this for longer than we would have if the character just fucked off and we all agreed to never speak of it again.I think Marvel was hoping for a "see? All of you fans hated this character and now he's dead and everyone around him is super sad! Don't you just feel awful!" as if Paul was just an annoying character who didn't do all these things >>153681283 and we should all feel really bad about him dying
>>153683656>>153683325The wording there isn't actually saying they broke up before MJ met Paul, but it is intentionally worded to make it sound as though the Paul bullshit wasn't the entire reason they were split up.
>>153683747>but it is intentionally worded to make it sound as though the Paul bullshit wasn't the entire reason they were split upBut I mean...it was, wasn't it? Paul hijacks her to his dimension and basically forces a trauma bond using the not-real kids and when Peter saves her she feels compelled to stay with Paul because of the kids...am I missing something?
>>153683802No you are correct, but Wells correctly understands that every single person on earth thinks he's a colossal faggot for doing that, and so when he talks about it, he makes it sound as though MJ and Peter just happened to break up and also MJ ended up with Paul, and those things are not related without explicitly saying that. He treats them as separate but connected events, because it makes him sound like less of an editorial tool spineless faggot in his mind.
>>153680727Paul is dead like actually dead?They cucked him and then killed him off like nothing happened?
>>153683656>Wasn't Peter about to propose to Mary JaneWell, no, but that's only because Spencer's run ended with Peter missing the opportunity when he was gonna pop the question and then Marvel immediately memory holed it and just pretended it never happened until the Paulening happened.
>>153683835See this is what I find so maddening about current Marvel, they just flat out refuse to admit when they fucked up and will instead gaslight the readers and try to convince them what happened didn't actually happen. Sometimes you just gotta say "y'know what? This didn't work like we thought it would, let's try and course correct" I mean DC did it with fucking new52 Superman which was a LOT more difficult to work around, you're telling me no one at Marvel thought to just end the Paul story by revealing he's just a straight villain? Why double down and lose even more readers?
>>153683851I mean, as dead as any comic character in the big 2 ever is. They could literally have him walk up in the next panel and say "actually guys that was a clone I made because I knew something bad was gonna happen" and it wouldn't be surprising in the least to anyone with half a brain.
>>153683325I wish Marvel had a good PR person, because you can tell this is the same outrage farming, can't ever take the L philosophy they have been having for years. And they hit the diminishing returns for that two decades ago.
>>153683881>Why double down and lose even more readers?Because the people in charge of these decisions literally do not care if the fans like what they are putting out. They are mentally ill manchildren who have convinced themselves that keeping these two fictional characters from being happy is somehow the most important thing in the world, and if the fans don't like it that is even better because fuck them. The company is run by literal retards, anon.
>>153683923Has anyone ever flat out asked Brevoort or Lowe why they have such utter contempt for their readers? Like maybe this just isn't the career for them if they hate their customers so much
>>153683948Yeah, the NYCC 2024 Spider-Man panel was a fucking shitshow of fans asking Lowe what the fuck his problem is, he basically just ignored them.
>>153681283>>153682698This character and their intentions with him honestly baffle me. It's all just so astoundingly tone def I have a hard time believing int was done by actual human beings
>>153681283I am literally the least "woke" person you could imagine but even I see the whole Paul/Mary Jane relationship as a really gross, abusive relationship...how did the social media mob never glob onto it and give Marvel shit for it?
>>153683988>how did the social media mob never glob onto it and give Marvel shit for it?Because they do not read comics.
>>153683982Has everyone at Marvel just completely checked out of their job and don't care how bad the optics are on their staff acting like this? When I worked retail I hated the customers but I could at least hide it, these people don't even try and yet no one higher up cares
>>153683948Someone put that pic where Brevoort says outrage sells or whatever.It's sad, really. I believe they could get away with Peter and MJ being separated if they just stopped being such babies about it.
>>153683998I mean I know that but they've gotten their panties in a twist about comic stuff before
>>153684021When you can put out absolute dogshit for years at a time that not a single person on earth enjoys and keep your job, why would they care?Big daddy Didney doesn't give a shit whether the comics sell or not, because Marvel is just a brand to them, they care about movies, theme parks, and merchandise sales. Marvel could just release 20 pages of pictures of the shits they took every month with an ASM cover slapped on and nothing would happen.
>>153683986Absolutely. When the story starts and they get deeper and deeper into how much of an awful person Paul is and how he's literally abusing Mary Jane you, as a reader, are thinking "well there's obviously going to be some sort of pay off where Mary Jane's been mind whammied or something to put up with this abuse and when it wears off she'll kick the shit out of Paul" but then...nothing. Paul just keeps showing up until he's killed by some literal who
>>153684027Half the problem is that they never committed to their new fancy BND status quo. MJ was brought back almost immediately and they've spent years teasing them getting back together only to never pull the trigger. I like MJ, I love MJ, but she has no place in the status quo if she's not going to be Peter's love interest.
>>153684087Ironically, if the plan ever was to reveal that Paul is a villain and was manipulating MJ, someone behind the scenes probably pointed out that would mean he raped her and a villain doing bad rape thing is haram so they can't do that.But I personally think that's giving them too much credit, and they're all just too fucking stupid to understand how fucked every part of the story they wrote was.
>>153682546That's true, but are they written as a happy, healthy friendship that has grown out of a relationship that didn't work out? Or is it as >>153682710 says and they're being kept around each other to eternally tease the idea that they could get back together? And fair point about it not being a divorce, but it's quicker to say than "sold marriage to the devil" which frankly sounds a lot less reconcilable anyways.
>>153684118I mean given how they've had the X-men act for years I think I can agree with the idea that they're just that ridiculously psychotic.
>>153680727A grave plot and headstone?IN THIS ECONOMY?!
>>153680727>that dress to a funeral, which is probably just the symbiote, so she's not really wearing anything while a space alien grinds on her pussy and tits in public MJ is such a whore
>>153684093Pretty much. The want to have it both ways, and that ends up hurting them. They keep dangling MJ to have those marriage bucks, but that ends up generating animosity. And also the various attempts to make MJ relevant. MJ has a nightclub, MJ is Iron Man cast now, MJ is Venom. It's tiresome.MJ and Mysterio doing a movie together was kind of funny, though. >>153684118Paul is just bad editorial. Lowe should have never allowed Wells to do all that stuff. Dude was fucked up. Literally every relationship in Wells' run fails. Even Randy and Janice get fucked up because no happy couples allowed.
Paul Rabin is legally dead and all of his debts and legal obligations are officially null and void, but his conveniently heretofore unmentioned identical twin brother Luap Rabin lives on, with a clean slate and a very generous life insurance payout! Luap will be mourning his dearly departed brother Paul on the white sandy beaches of Acapulco! Or maybe Tahiti, it's a magical place after all!
>>153684258>Lowe should have never allowed Wells to do all that stuff.Are you actually convinced that 90% of what's happened in Wells run wasn't directly mandated by Lowe himself? The man is certifiably insane, and it's widely accepted by most readers that Wells is just a puppet writer they threw on the book to do what editorial says after Spencer tried to subvert them at every opportunity.
>>153683702this is not a legitimate pairing, but Kellys star trek fantasy. She is a stupid character.
>>153680838>Expecting a series titles rent a girlfriend to not have ntr???
>>153683747Great. so we are going to get a... > I realized I never really loved you. Like, never ever.also>After you have had a bad break up. She was with paul, implying the break up was first.the same article calls thier relationship a romance which is very problematic.
See the answer is to make such a ruckus above and beyond Nick Lowe's head. Get some bad PR in front of the Brand New Day movie, something so big Disney can't ignore
>>153680727
I thoought Carrie Andrews did this.
>>153684352This is how I read Wells' run, Lowe was so assblasted about Spencer almost undoing OMD and fans being happy about it he specifically hired someone to follow him who'd go scorched earth on Peter and Mary Jane and since Wells was dealing with his cheating wife he took the assignment
>>153680727Pete and Flash were always friends, they were just the small town kind of friends who are dicks to each other to blow off adolescent steam.
>>153680799They still killing off Peter and replacing him with Miles?
>>153681425Peter broke up with Betty and had to drive her away with a stick and they still didn't work until she and Liz showed up to Aunt May's house and had a cat fight over him on the front lawn that got broken up by MJ showing up and scaring them off because they both thought she was hotter than either of them.
>>153684839no they weren't. Flash actively tried to torment and exlude peter. then picked fights he couldnt finish. He also hounded after Gwen and then MJ despite having an entire city of women to pursue. he was a fucking asshole.
>>153684817It's really impressive how they went so far out of the way to fuck over Spencer. Like things weren't perfect in Spencer, there was some dumb shit, Kindred sucked. But it was a VAST improvement. And I guess we can't have that.
>>153683325>Lowe trying to gaslight everyone into believing something that can easily be verified as false.So...he's clearly just smoking pot in his office all day while everyone else does his job for him.
>>153683948Lowe's been editing Spider-Man since 2014, longer than any other editor in history, I believe he's likely one of the burnouts who feels he's unqualified to do anything else.
>>153683948>>153685064Brevoort, on the other hand, is one of those old school "I hate fans and the people who work under me and I love to make them all miserable" editors. The freedom to be a sadist is a perk of the job.
>>153685087I love how Brevoort doesn't actually say anything to disprove Willingham's claims about him being an asshole he just pivots to Willingham getting an obscure piece of comic history slightly incorrect.
>>153685087>The name is Tom Brevoort. Bill. and it's astonishingly self-delusional that you'd write a whole column about bullying in the comic book industry in which you'd take a hunch of cheap shots but didn't have the backbone to actually attach my name to themHe literally says at the top he doesn't remember the editor's name, you're a literal nobody to anyone who doesn't read Marvel comics, and the only reason the people who read Marvel know who you are is because we all go "who's responsible for this awful shit?" and the answer is always "Tom Brevoort"
>>153684890it is kind of funny he didnt give a shit about MJ unitl Gwen died
>>153680896piss off that was not funny
>>153684521>>After you have had a bad break up.That statement was not referring to her getting with Paul after the break up, it's talking about the state of Peter and MJ's relationship after the breakup. It's retarded wishy-washy non-statements to deflect responsibility.
And of course as expected dylan's blames himself for paul's death.
>>153685345Oh I see now...
>>153685391>and the guy died saving my lifeOh this better be hyperbole bullshit, they better not have given that sack of shit a heroic death
>>153680727Is that black Osborns?
>>153685466That's Robbie and Randy
>>153685441News flash for you they just did also that cover is a fake out peter and MJ do not get back together in this issue. On top of all that Joe Kelly & Nick Lowe confirm they will not getting back together anytime soon OMD canon forever.>Before you ask if Mary Jane and Peter Parker will end up back together, let's not get ahead of ourselves. There's a Spider-Man family mystery happening, and, oh yeah, a landmark Amazing Spider-Man #1000 to come.>https://www.thepopverse.com/comics-paul-rabin-death-mary-jane-watson-venom-amazing-spider-man-interview
>>153685441Bro, it already happened. He was trying to help Dylan and Torment stabbed him. Of course, Dylan is going to feel guilty after shitting on Paul nonstop.
>>153685441t b h i think it's an interesting route to go with how Dylan mirrors Peterhesitant to shit on it before it develops further
>>153683325I am increasingly and increasingly convinced Nick does not actually read the issues from cover to cover, and instead has some bullet-points delivered to him to skim over.How can we expect him to remember some bullet points from four years ago? We're being unreasonable in our expectations for an editor.
>>153685441calling it a heroic death is a bit of a stretch, he got stabbed and then told the guy "hey don't stop killing me I promise I'm not completely useless, keep killing me please"
>>153685555I think he is there to be a punching bag for the man behind the curtain.
>>153685555He's a guy who doesn't care. He happily let Spencer shit all over Slott and then let Wells shit over Spencer and Slott and then let Kelly shit over Wells. He just doesn't have any strong feelings or particular regard about most things that happen in Spider-Man aside from a few pet projects, like jerkwad Ben Reilly.
>>153680727Who is that next to Peter?
>>153681443Paul isn't real. Peter's been trapped in a magic coma with time dialation by Mephisto since ASM # 524.
>>153681464Mary Jane was the original end game love interest for Peter created by Steve Ditko and Stan Lee, introduced in ASM # 15 as Peter's future wife handpicked by Aunt May herself and was teased for almost three years before they finally met
>>153681772> taking a piss at your expense and what you care about.Nailed it
>>153681864He's still mad about Peter stealing Liz and then Gwen
>>153682546My Mom is friends with people who have kids my age, it doesn't mean I hangout with them, and that's in a small town. When I lived in a major metro like NYC the thought of something like that happening just for that reason would've been ridiculous
>>153682747Agree, it's just garbage
>>153682906That's not a real thing
https://leagueofcomicgeeks.com/profile/comicsupreme/reviews/19098126/venom-258Spoilers but most of 258 is going to be retroactively trying to write Paul as a better character.
>>153680751Rent-free lmao
>>153681518Obsessed
>>153681425Actual retard
>>153686177Is this the same guy who gave the 'spoilers' of previous issues?I can definitely believe they are going to retcon some shit to make it more palatable, but the damage is done Ewing and the writing exercise fails if you have to change shit to make it work.All this because Spider-Office realized they had rewritten Avengers 200 and went full panic and denial mode.
>>153684890No, he didn't. Every time Flash appears for the first 30 issues of ASM it's him asking Peter to hangout with him, Liz, and the gang and Peter saying no because he's a loner or has Spider-Man business or Aunt May's in the hospital and Flash throwing a fit he thinks he's "too good" to hangout with them. Or it's him saying: "Don't even bother inviting Pete, he always tells us to buzz off." The only time he started not wanting Pete to hangout was when Liz had a crush on him and he was jealous but even then he still invited him at Liz's insistence.
>>153685016I wonder if he qualifies for citizenship in Israel?
>>153680727Who’s the woman on the far left supposed to be? And maybe I’m just ignorant of etiquette, but is it appropriate for Flash to wear a dress uniform here?
What’s very scary about the future of Spiderman is he’s so big and iconic to the world of comics that there’s nothing that will happen for him to take a sales hit and become irrelevant, so they can just literally keeping putting out whatever dogshit it is till the end of time. I feel for you guys as I know Peter literally is some of you guys’ hero, I’m just glad I got off him being a character I loved in my teens because this is legitimate weirdness.
>>153686264Maybe Shay. In a better world, Felicia in disguise. Dress uniform for funerals is common.
>>153686266It’s not fun. But I’ve come to accept that, more than any other character, Spidey is the most negatively affected by the need to maintain a permanent status quo. In a perfect world, you’d get to watch Peter start out as a sixteen year old struggling to balance his responsibilities as Peter and Spidey, before maturing into a man who has finally learned to balance his obligations and stands ready to take on the greatest responsibility of all, raising a child. But true development is impossible under these circumstances.
>>153686224I'm really at a loss as to why people carry water for Flash. He was an asshole.
Flash hasn't been a bully to Pete in a long ass time. Stop trying to live in the old days since he became a better man thanks to Spiderman fanboying. Also if he dates MJ, there's a good chance they'll make her gay afterwards just like how he married Felicia in MC2 and she came out after the divorce.
>>153686266It's just this bizarre fiefdom that can only survive in the very insular, self-selecting Comic Book world of editors, writers, artists and access media.We had the Shooter Era cajole a marriage that proved popular. We have the Quaseda era that devil pack and memory holed around a divorce for that era that's proved cancerous.The wider, much more culturally significant and far more lucrative to the franchise merchandise, movies and video games have all side stepped the BND manifesto and moved the fuck on. Now comics could and should explore other relationships fine, they could conjure up whole AU's for Felicia, Sophia etc.It's just this small cabal of inner circle types been too long in the office who can't let go of their childhood status quo, as that would mean that his symbol is not youth but responsibility.
>>153686294Good lord I forgot Shay existed. She’s got to be the most forgettable Spidey love interest of all time.
>>153686380>open relationshipJust write her off, Peter is not for this kind of relationship Christ.Of course we all know that was because Lowe didn't stop Peter having that quick fling with Felicia in that nothing relationship for the Wells run, and they didn't want him to be a cheater.So now Spider-Man is a swinger, very relatable Lowe thank you.
>>153686266>there’s nothing that will happen for him to take a sales hitThe thing is this isn't even true, looking at sales trends shows very clearly that the series has been in a long slow decline for a very long time and the only thing that ever helps is a new #1 relaunch or event boost that doesn't last and always leaves the book in a worse place after the bump. ASM has been consistently outsold by the new USM and has struggled to hit top ten sales numbers for a while despite being the flagship book of arguably the most popular superhero of all time, the only other serious contender being Batman. Everyone but Marvel understands that they are killing the book and throwing away potential money by being obtuse faggots for no reason.
>>153686177So its essentially another Paul issue. Al ewing has taken this "challenge" too long and too far.
>>153686410>Spider-Man is a swingerWakka-wakka
>>153686374>movies and video games have all side stepped the BND manifesto and moved the fuck onYou do realize there is literally a Spider-Man movie titled Brand New Day coming out in a couple of months, right?
>>153686177Kek, they're gonna absolve MJ of all responsibilities while having Peter be a simp like always, absolute garbage
>>153686461Ewing's breaking the writer exercise if he is going back to change Dead Language.We're circling the Avengers 200 drain folks!
>>153686410>>open relationship>Just write her off, Peter is not for this kind of relationship Christ.What's hilarious is if they weren't so fucking incompetent they'd realize the perfect scenario right now that would actually please most of the fans plus get them a bunch of wokie cred with retarded twitter leftists who don't read comics is if they actually just had Pete, MJ, and Felicia start up a poly relationship as the new status quo. They were damned near there already with the shit going on between them when Peter got blasted at the start of Beyond.
>>153686461I think this venom era is def ending sooner than later post the qib era, outside of notable villains I think they just pop the symbiote off her for the next host.
>>153680727I mean I moved on 18 years ago, why haven't you
>>153686436> ASM has been consistently outsold by the new USMUSM may have been disappointing towards the end, but my God, those early days were unbelievably satisfying. Especially when Hickman leaned on the fourth wall to shit on the absolute state of modern ASM.
>>153686476Tbh that movie barely shares anything with the comic outside of the title
>>153686536>Especially when Hickman leaned on the fourth wall to shit on the absolute state of modern ASM.You read what you wanted to read. Hickman in particular doesn't care about what's going on in ASM.
>>153686476All they have in common is the name.Go read the leaked first three pages of the script, and then the tone of the BND first issue.
>>153686552>>153686560The entire premise for it was Peter taking a magic deal to wipe out his whole life to reset him to square one as a hapless loser with no girlfriend or money. How is that side stepping the BND manifesto and moving on?
>>153686362Not him but Peter was the bigger asshole. It carries over into their adult life where he says cryptic shit and leaves everyone in the dark.They don't know what he's going through, what's happening nor why he doesn't ask for help. Only that he's secretive.
>>153686476If you think Holland’s Spider-Man is not going to eventually reunite with Zendaya further down the line, you’re blind. Which further demonstrates the point that almost every Spider-Man product outside of the comics continues to pair Peter and MJ (even if that is Michelle Jones).
>>153686554>Hickman in particular doesn't care about what's going on in ASM.This is only true in the sense that he thinks the book is irrelevant as it exists currently (he's right). I've talked to him at conventions and people have asked him about it, and he clearly thinks what Marvel is doing in that book is retarded, he doesn't bother to hold back.
>>153686554Hickman using the phrase “One More Day” as an affirmation of Peter and MJ’s relationship is pretty on the nose. Gwen/Mysterio banging the Green Goblin was probably a coincidence, but it’s funnier to pretend otherwise.
>>153686593Is Pete bummed about having to go fight a berserk Doc Ock? He has no obligation to tell his civie friends about shit like that.
>>153686592>Aunt May dead>Spider-Man fully aware of the relationships he has lost and playing it for the emotional drama of the falloutA premise is not execution anon, they are veering hard from the comics.
>>153686609Can't say I particularly trust "he said it at a con" accounts, particularly since he can just as well be telling fans what they want to hear. He had no problem using post-BND Peter for his FF book, there were no digs at his status quo.
>>153686525They haven't even done sexy Venom yet. This book still has legs as is, they just got rid of all the baggage the previous Venom book and ASM left.Marvel is not waste an opportunity for JSC to do a series of MJ as Venom covers.
>>153686410>Spider-Man is a swinger
>>153686878It was foreshadowed all along.Bravo Lowe
>>153686805Yeah I get that, you have no reason to believe me, but it doesn't change my opinion of the situation cause I was there. He was getting questions like "would you ever take over ASM?" and his answers were all pretty blunt "No. Does anyone even like that book anyway?" Shit like that. He does not seem to have any restraint about saying what he means about the state of the industry from what I've seen.
>>153686857>Marvel is not waste an opportunitylollmao
>>153686658The problem is he doesn't tell anyone anything nor try to reach out and connect. Flash always made sure Peter was a part of the group.
>>153686177>"None of us deserved any of it… any you never have to say sorry to me. Not ever, MJ. You’re more important to me than that."Sounds like Peter. But maybe it's Flash or Paul.
>>153686410>So now Spider-Man is a swinger, very relatable Lowe thank you.>Now>N o w
>>153687012The review makes it extremely clear that's a snippet from Peter and MJ's conversation.
>>153687000>Flash always made sure Peter was a part of the group.A lot of that ended up as "You can't do *group activity* with us? Then fuck you, bookworm!"
>>153687024Just make them poly goddamit Marvel you're never progressive when it counts.
>>153686436Im curious to see if the "zombie" collectors will actually drop post 1000.
>>153686975Yeah, that sounds like "pandering to the crowd" talk. He's just trying to sell books.
>>153687096Some will, but it won't be the big drop those hoping for a quick course correct will get. We're just going to continue the slow winnowing of oldies collecting their floppies until we have a second speculator market pop and then shit will REALLY get fucked for the 90's electric boogaloo.
>>153687124I honestly don't understand how you think what I'm describing was an attempt to sell books, it was people asking if he'd write a flagship book they want to see him write and him basically telling them no, editorial fucks that book over so I don't want to touch it with a 50 foot pole. The guy is independently successful outside of Marvel, he just has no reason to give a shit when it comes to talking about this stuff because he knows they won't stop hiring him while he's one of the only big names around in the industry that will still work with them.
>>153687169>editorial fucks that book over so I don't want to touch it with a 50 foot pole.This is equally applicable to every Marvel book except those AUs he's doing now where he's allowed to do whatever he wants.>The guy is independently successful outside of Marvel,And yet he came crawling back after he was out after Secret Wars. His indie career wasn't that great. He can't even sell books with Marvel unless he's doing X-Men or Spider-Man or any other high profile characters, no one wanted GODS or Imperial.
Again, and marvel asks why they arent top 25 anymore
I've always wondered, who's genuinely buying the new Spider-Man issues? Is there a quiet customer base who actually enjoys the book, or is it hate buyers?
>>153687061>A lot of that ended up as "You can't do *group activity* with us? Then fuck you, bookworm!"Yes as to him it seemed like Peter was blowing everyone off. Also didn't help that Peter thought it was a cool idea to crap on people's opinions just because agreeing sent him into a schizophrenic loop.
>>153687338I don't think they're getting any sort of new readers but Spider-Man is popular enough to have a dedicated fan base that would go "well, gotta have my Amazing Spider-Man". I was one of those people but Slott's first solo issue was so bad I had to stop. I've been checking in every once in a while since but I haven't consistently bought the book since Spencer's run
>>153687338It's sunk cost boomers who have been buying since the 70s and genuinely don't know how to stop. People who think having every issue from when they started until 1000 will ever matter and be worth something.The only people who consistently buy any Marvel or DC comics at this point are long-term collectors, many of whom don't even read the books any more, they're just collecting.
>>153686525I can't tell what else they have to tell in this story after Queen in Black, really. Unfortunately I think it'll end up with MJ either dead or in space. Maybe a new form of Venom bonds to a new host after that, without the gold motif.
>>153687338An increasingly aging demographic that will not be replaced and speculators going all in on blind bags and variety covers.No, it's no sustainable. Yes, this will quietly kill the comics division if they don't do something to bring in the new demographic who will be alienated by the current output being so wildly removed from the rest of the franchise.
>>153683254Bi in comics means functionally gay. Can't have them dating the opposite sex when Pride month rolls around.>>153686125Sure. That's why she's fucking her way through every woman she can in her current book that happens to be written by one of the most pro-sapphic writers in comics outside of Tini Howard.
>>153685064>unqualified to do anything elseAs if he's qualified to be an editor to begin with
>>153687444I do believe MJ will be written or 'ascended' out of 616 at the conclusion of QIB, to be brought back when the current brain trust finally get taken out to pasture.
>>153687496Yep, that way we can have a shitty backup story in ASM #1000 where he thinks about the good times with her, mourns her, but knows she's not "really dead," so he can't be too sad about it. Meanwhile she'll rot on the shelf for a decade besides being put on every variant cover they can.
>>153687542In light of recent writers, this is really for the best.Better waiting for the next gen of Spider-Office than letting her continue to accrue bad characterization from writers that don't care for her but know she sells.Ten more years of Shay baybe!
Why is nobody shipping autist dommy mommy Astrid.
>>153687605Shays only reason for staying is to have a connection for when peters friend Brian goes to the insane asylum and we have them trying to fix him. After that she probably leaves the book post kelly.
>>153687629Because Peter is a service top.At least the old version was, this incarnation since 2008 just lies there.
I wonder if editorial will get a boss call if at the end of the new movie peter and not-mj swing into the sunset together. If there ever was a time for synergy
>>153687765A phone call from one of the big mouse higher-ups is the sharpest Sword of Damocles hanging over Spider-Office.>hey our stars are together both IRL and in the movies, you got the comics aligned with that right?
>>153687765That seems more for the end of the new trilogy in like 4 years. I think with asm 1k coming up we have a big chance of aunt may actually dying tho to synergize.
>>153687479Who cares nigga
>>153687479Lesbians and bi women aren't really gay.
>>153687815The fact that they're even calling the movie Brand New Day is a huge red flag. The Recency bias is dreadful with marvel but to pick this specifically is a slap to the face.
The Amazing Spider-Man #29 preview
>>153687996>Spore Is this really our lead up to 1000? Is this really going to be our milestone? It's honestly disgusting how many milestones that should be LEGENDARY are so lame.
>>153687815>you got the comics aligned with that right?Literally nobody at Disney cares about what's happening in the comics, because nobody who watches the movies cares about what is happening in the comics.On top of that, if they wanted the comics aligned with the movies, they'd have to introduce a new brown character to replace MJ, since the MJ in the movies is not Mary Jane Watson.
>>153687995Boy imagine if the new movies end with Peter/MJ together again and some aspiring comic reader picks up an issue of ASM?
>>153687996>witness the birth of SPORE
>>153688016Disney loves Synergy, the comics have bent themselves backwards over the movies before.Hell the 'relationship' Norman has with Peter right now is a Raimi import, nothing in the original run supports him viewing Norman as some sort of parental figure.
>>153688051I don't believe for a second that Disney is pushing for any of that, Marvel has been voluntarily doing movie synergy bullshit since way before the MCU even existed, everything they've done is by choice pushed by editorial, but editorial's hatred for Peter far outweighs any desire they might have to synergize with MCU shit.
>>153688092That is not $138 worth of chinese food
>>153688116
>>153688086>>153688051Have any of these scumbag actors gone out of thier way to help the comic book industry. Its seems like alot of entertainment they get hired for and built brands around is derived from comic books.
>>153680727Somebody post some spoilers or bullet points so i can sperg!
>>153688289Not out yet, there's speculative spoilers but they've proven wrong multiple times just in recent memory so naught to do but wait until Wednesday and be irritated at where we are now and where the ship is steering.
>>153688332people are posting early reviews
>>153688012I feel like the last anniversary issue that was any good was issue 500
>>153688111Waaaaaaaaaaaait a second
>>153688116It is in Trump’s economy
>>153688279James Gunn now that he’s at DC seems to be going out of his way to hawk the comics. Marvel Studios never did though. In fact the first thing Feige did when he wrested control away from Perlmutter was jettison the comic panels from the movies opening fanfare.
>>153685087It's actually funny that Brevoort would ever deny bullying Slott when he's continually written/spoken in public about Slott being lazy and late with scripts since the She-Hulk days. Tom didn't just do it behind closed doors, he publicly humiliated Slott for years.
>>153685335There's a lot of incest subtext in BND era comics.
>>153688557It's continued.Remember when Peter said he viewed MJ as his sister?What DID Kelly mean by this?
>>153688016>People claimed Shay was that for a while here>Her most recent depiction gives her the same skin tone as Peter, and she's still fucking nothing.
>>153685521Is there anyone who actually gives a shit about this Parker family mystery? If it's Marvel's big hook for 1000, they really don't know their fans.
>>153688629Not only is this the kind of secret relative plot you see in parodies of bad spanish telenovelas.This is one we've already done before. Peter has a sister, or doesn't have a sister! No-one can make their mind up! Should we care or get invested? Is Lucy really going to let us kick the football?
>>153688629He's going to be immune to Peter, Ben, and Kaine's powers and produce biotoxins that can melt anything at the molecular level.
>>153687479>turns Felicia gay>turns Iceman gay>turns half of the females in the entire extended X-Men roster gay>turns the new girls in Uncanny X-Men gayWhat the fuck is Marvel's problem
>>153688882They aren't going to make babies anyway. It is fine.
>>153687918I care because it's a character I've liked for most of my life and now her personality is "teehee I'm gay, every time I appear I need to remind you how GAY I am." Not to mention that it was just a reply to a poster who said Peter should be plapping Black Cat, which can't happen anymore.>>153687990Sure thing, buddy... whatever. Also comic characters aren't real, so they're going to be forced into the "we want social credit score points" role by Marvel/DC whoever for the rest of time, since they're afraid of backlash.>>153688882They think, somehow, this is translating to sales, because someone in their offices is obsessed with sentiment tracking from Xitter and Reddit where there's vocal gays who want every single character gay... that don't actually buy comics.
>>153688882>What the fuck is Marvel's problemonce you notice that these things are done by specific male writes as a way to pair up characters they like and to keep them from interacting with certain male partners, you begin to realize that making them gay is a sort of waifu protection racket
MJ takes responsibility for her failure with how she handled Paul, says she liked Paul because he reminded her of Peter, makes it clear that she's not interested in Flash, and wants to see where things go with Peter.Peter doesn't talk much, but he blames himself for failing MJ and demands from Venom to know who dropped Torment. Venom taunts him about Gwen Stacy.MJ and Venom realize they can't figure out who dropped Torment and decide to solidify their bond, bring the new design>>153686177No, it shows Paul for who he was in Wells and nothing more. I don't know why you all keep falling for this dude's posts.
>>153689251>Venom taunts him about Gwen Stacy.If you want a picture of the future, imagine people being thrown off bridges forever.
>>153688086>I don't believe for a second that Disney is pushing for any of thatI thought they gave the control of the comics to Kevin Faggy now
>>153689251>because he reminded her of PeterGod I hope that's not real.Whether Well's characterization or Ewings, that's a terrible thing to say.
>>153689251I hope this is real, but I can't imagine MJ or Peter just letting the symbiote taunt about Gwen Stacy without going nuts on it for that.
>>153689251I'll believe when I see a page
>>153688629The fact that there even is a Parker Family Mystery is pretty retard and giving me flash backs to his parents.
>>153688629Have Peter's new cousin be related to Miles somehow fuck it who cares
>>153685441>Oh this better be hyperbole bullshit, they better not have given that sack of shit a heroic deathI mean they're writing it like one but really Paul just kind of stood there and got stabbed, he was more just present and they had Torment end him because they didn't have better ideas to kill him off.
They just didn't want to have rape as an event for both MJ AND Felicia.So we couldn't have the mind-control, stockholm syndrome or usual nonsense to explain MJ's blatant character assassination since Wells (and Slott, and Bendis, and-).This ain't the girl who'd close the door after being insulted by a hurt Peter to comfort him anymore.
I'm beyond the point of apathy with this stuff. If #1000 isn't it I'm dropping all my Marvel books. All two of them.>>153689635>>153689737>I always said you and Paul weren't so different.
>>153690137>Niggerspoilerbro is backBased.
>>153690137why wait? #1000 is just gonna be Uncle Ben's secret long lost son that's also evil
>>153689348why the fuck would they do that?
>>153690137#1000 was never going to be it. You wasted all of your time and money for literally nothing.
>>153690137I expected nothing and I'm still disappointed.Sorry Ewing, you overplayed your hand thinking you could redeem this. This just makes MJ look awful. Peter look awful. EVERYONE looks awful just trying to keep Lowe's pets bloated corpse afloat a few panels more.Could have just had the funeral off-screen, had a grave as a last panel for the Poochies dead send-off. They reconcile and go meta talking about how odd they have been behaving, then move on for whatever nonsense Kelly has planned.
>>153690137lol can you post more LOL.
>>153690194>>153690205Kelly was the one who broke the Mephisto deal so I was hoping he'd be the one to undo it as well.
>>153690567Why would you ever believe that was even remotely a possibility in the first place? He was part of the BND think tank and agrees with their opinions on what Spider-Man should be.
>>153690694*What they think Spider-Man should be.
>>153690286POST MORE NIGGER SPOILERS THEY ARE FUNNY.
>>153690694I just explained. He was the one that had Mephisto mess with Peter again after the deal was that he would leave Peter alone.
>>153690823What needs to be understood friend, is that they do not give a single damn about what was done before, they only care about what they are doing now.So shonky bullshit deal with Mephisto says I can't openly mess with you? Well fans hate OMD/OMIT anyway so just ignore it and do my thing anyway.We're in the Lowe era, ain't nobody giving a fuck about the continuity, rules or characterization here.
Really making it seems that anyone else other than Peter Parker who wants to be Spider-Man must make a pact with Mephisto. Why should anyone other than Peter Parker be Spider-Man again?
>>153690914Mephisto is the living embodiment of the editorial mandate asserting its diabolus ex machina, it's fitting he's a devil.
>>153690823And? Demons go back on their part of the bargain all the damn time while keeping the humans stupid enough to make deals with them bound to the terms and conditions. Joe Kelly isn't going to undo OMD. Stop buying these retarded comics already.
>>153690859>We're in the Lowe eraJoe Kelly cares about continuity, rules, and characterization, but I'm understanding now the extent of his control. Any other business would have fired Lowe for crashing their #1 product.>>153690956I'm giving them to #1000. I want to finish collecting the Amazing Visions covers, at the very least.
>>153691000Can't you get the remaining issues through a third party? You can keep the collection whole that way. If you hate the output just join us in not giving them money.
>>153690956>I'm giving them to #1000.Kinda the same... although I don't buy every ASM book, just bought Death Spiral, buy Venom, and might sporadically buy some books if they have good covers (not a speculator), or really do heal the Peter/MJ relationship. They don't have to be dating immediately, but if we at least get some degree of them loving each other and she doesn't date Flash, I'll give it a shot for other storytelling.
>>153691000Also, amazing get while talking about #1000.
>>153690935Just tell that to Bendis so we can have something to laugh at.
>>153691081Why not get them through my comic store? He's going to order the same amount even if I drop the book. They're not based on order amounts. >>153691116Kek I didn't even notice.
>>153691341I understand the want to support the LCS, but the only single possible move for a fan that counts against editorial is to not buy.If you need until #1000 to make that decision then fair enough brother, but do not get your hopes up thinking it will get better. It won't. A magic four digit number won't make the quality better. There is no force within that office yet to produce different results from what we have been getting for decades.We're getting a secret cousin plot. Because the House of Idea's larder is empty.
>>153691429>We're getting a secret cousin plot.Here's the thing, issue #31 is about the cousin. Obviously the plot will continue, #32 is talking about the fallout, but whatever this is we'll know for sure then.
>>153691511>Here's the thing, issue #31 is about the cousin. Obviously the plot will continue, #32 is talking about the fallout, but whatever this is we'll know for sure then.Marvel needs to stop doing whatever it is that causes people to cope like...this. It's disgusting.
>>153691774What? I have drawn a line in the sand, have made an ultimatum, and given a deadline. I am dropping this stuff at #1000 if I don't get what I want. I'm going to stop buying Marvel altogether, even. How is pointing out factual information coping?
>>153688629>Parker family>Without Ben, Kaine or even Teressa>he's a cousin so it doesn't even involve Peter's spy parentsBeyond people fearing it may canonize Trouble, no one gives a shit.
>>153691815Could write a letter letting them know, if the collectors are all choosing #1000 to be the stopping point of their sunken cost then things will accelerate to deteriorate.
>>153689251I heard Venom fans would be mad about something regarding Eddie?
>>153692051That League of Comic guy is an idiot. Eddie is mentioned twice in the same conversation between Dylan and MJ, but he's not disparaged at all. MJ says Torment was targeting Eddie's family and that learning she had Venom would upset him which is why he wasn't told. Unless this dude genuinely thinks MJ and Venom bonding will piss off Eddie's fans? I have no idea what he's blabbing about. You all need to stop listening to him.
>>153690137>It's Nigger time.
>"They “close the book” on MJFlash for like the fifth time in this issue tho"lol
>>153692325It feels like they're setting Flash up for an antagonistic role due to how many times MJ keeps insisting that she's not interested. It is never Flash saying it, always MJ.
>>153692262A lot of times with people like that, I assume they're ESLs, and fail to understand some of the nuance in books. I don't mind them reading books and chiming in, but being relatively bilingual, I can see how readers are too literal when their first language isn't English.Or, shitty reading comprehension might be the culprit.
>>153692370Agreed. I can see it going a lot of ways... like Flash reviving a rivalry with Peter that used to be long dead, or believing he can use his powers as Anti-Venom to safely separate her from Venom and save her, even if it means hurting the symbiote.I like Flash and would be a little unhappy if they trashed his character growth like that, but he really has been nothing but a good guy for an overwhelming amount of time now, decades, so making him an antagonist or at least foil for a bit wouldn't be the worst thing. Plus, it's apparent he's going to have a pretty big role in QiB.
>>153680751Spider-Man’s a pussy ass bitch protagonist who’s only purpose is to get humiliated and beat up by manlier and cooler characters.
>>153681425Yes, but it would be better if Betty was a grown woman and groomed Teenage high school Peter, spectacular spider-man (the animated series) sucked because it didn't commit to that idea
>>153692373In this case I don't see what would piss them off, though.>>153692477I hear what you're saying, but based on how they treated Ben I don't want them doing it.
>>153692506Weird cope but ok lmao
>>153692704She started at the age she'd be in high school if she wasn't working, but her age seems to have gone up relative to Peter at some point.
>>153692704>>153692977did Betty know someone at the Bugle?
>>153692704Comic Betty was slightly younger than Peter, Weisman just didn't want to bother adding her to the Gwen/Liz/MJ pile so he aged her up to easily write her out.>>153693078Her mother was JJJ's secretary and he gave her a job out of sympathy.
>>153680799So she will die and he will once again sell something to the devil to make sure she don't die
>>153680799Why has Aunt May never Dated Odin?
Betty was just Flo Steinberg
>>153693340Thor doesn't need another sibling.
>>153693407And Gwen was Joan Lee. However, I really wonder who Ditko based Gwen off. Ditko was a self inserter and wanted to fuck Flo/Betty but after being rejected by Flo decided to push her away in the comic. Did he want to cuck Stan?
>>153693612Steinberg never married, she was either a lesbian or a crazy femcel.
>>153693628Such a shame, she was hot
>>153693407It's kind of weird. So many people that worked at Marvel have been mythologized, but presumably they were humans.
>>153680727why are Flash and MJ grabbing Dylan's ass?
>>153693628T. Ditko's objectiveness delusion
>>153680727>eternally Hah. you guys are seriously not picking up on that?
>>153694485see >>153683284
>>153694505Still, I'd expect more of a reaction
>>153680727I mean, I'm pretty sure it's safe to judge some asshole who enabled his dad to genocide the whole planet and then wanted to just live a nice quiet life in a parallel Earth while banging someone else's girl.
>>153694471Ok retard lmao
>>153694515Why bother? If they are blatantly trying to ingratiate us with a half-hearted dabbing on Paul's grave then it just shows how desperate they are. Best to be pic rel and just stonewall their faggotry until they bleed money and reputation. These faggots deserve it.
>>153694485It's lame and overshadowed by everything else, like discussed in the thread where Lowe is still running damage control.Like how Paul is now Dylan's Uncle Ben, when they should be trying to memory hole the last four years before MJ's anniversary special.
>>153687338I suspect the two main demographics are collectors who just care about filling their longboxes and consoomers who just like seeing Spidey shoot webs at bad guys and don't pay too much attention to what happens outside of that.
>>153693612Nah Strange Brain Parts did a whole vid on Gwen and how it's bullshit that Joan was her inspiration. I forget but it might have been a different person. But it wasn't even Sweeter Gwen or something like that. But Mary Jane was actually a store counter clerk at a Walgreens or a pharmacy that Ditko frequented as a kid with his brother. He dressed as Batman one time and was running around town with him. I heard about this in an interview with his brother, posted on Youtube. My jaw hit the fucking ground when I heard more cool Ditko facts. But yeah it is only the name only that could be surmised.
>>153680727maryjane and flash are holding hands btw
>>153694569I suppose it does feel a bit too HELLO FELLOW KIDS AND YOUNG PEOPLE. On the base level it's good they got rid of him but they're not really clicking with us by making it a whole to do.
>>153694669Getting rid of him just means arresting the drunk train driver after the heavy collision.There's still a massive amount of character recovery and work needed to fix the audience goodwill, and Kelly very clearly has sub-zero interest writing MJ.
>>153681419>>153683325She'll never be the one for Peter or relevant to the Spidey mythos, and you know it very well anon.
>>153680727So Flash and MJ are gonna adopt Dylan in the following chapters, uh? half government mandate / half relationship teasing.
>>153694642>But Mary Jane was actually a store counter clerk at a Walgreens or a pharmacy that Ditko frequented as a kid with his brother. He dressed as Batman one time and was running around town with him. I heard about this in an interview with his brother, posted on Youtube.Really?
>>153688882Well, Felicia isn't gay for one. She's Bi. Iceman is gay
>>153694783Eddie would be such a deadbeat father if that happened. Even moreso than with Paul. Writers really don't want to deal with family shit huh?
>>153686380Chat says hello
>>153694932She's a different universe person, so that shouldn't count.
>>153694932Chat is the best girl.
>>153694852Ok sorry after rewatching it, I embellished/misremembered it a bit. It was actually Ditko's friend who also ran around with him as Robin. But his brother was in the pharmacy looking for Steve and asked a customer named Mary Jane if he saw Batman and she realized he was talking about Steve. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IjlqHO6ifE0&pp=ygUNRGl0a28gYnJvdGhlcg%3D%3DGo to 23:20 to see the story. I also recommend just watching all of it even though the audio is shit. The guy's channel is pretty much required viewing for comics fans. His interviews (older ones) really show what these guys were like and the realities back then.So perhaps, it is a bit of a stretch but that name sticks out. If only I got that interviewer to hear me freaking the fuck out about him not inquiring further about that fact and actually got more detail to that and see if that truly is where the name came from.
>>153694872As has been said a million times, Felicia's gay in practice, and bi only in title, like the rest of bi characters in Marvel/DC. They're never going to let her be in a relationship with Peter, or any other guy. This shit's the same as Poison Ivy or Harley Quinn being bi. They'll never, ever, go back to dating men. The only indication of them being bisexual is that they used to have sex with men and don't want to do it anymore.
>>153694932Chat's hardly forgotten, considering how comparatively brief her entry was she is extremely well regarded. She may well be the only ever commonly accepted love interest outside the trinity.Keep in mind this from a series where Gwen was literally delusional thinking she was dating Peter, and MJ was noticeably absent.I know she's 'in' 616 but as some highschooler not aged with Peter, it's a real pity. Imagine the Pied Piper angle, Chat commanding armies of rats or pigeons to assault Fisk tower or something.
>>153695034>But his brother was in the pharmacy looking for Steve and asked a customer named Mary Jane if he saw Batman and she realized he was talking about Steve.I guess that's where the marriage issue Batman gag came from, lol
>>153694940>>153694961I recently reread Marvel Adventures and it's shocking how two 15 year olds have greater communication skills than our late twenties idiots in ASM.
>>153695212Perhaps....Shooter did meet Dikto and probably knew about him working/studying under Jerry Robinson and also taking inspiration/being a lifelong fan of Batman. Or maybe not. But I think that has more to do with Batman being the most popular and similar character in influence and general similarities with their origins, villains, and imagery. Thus, having Batman almost appear to fuck MJ/whisk her away was just a way of having fun and then kinda revealing metaphorically that Batman also approves of MJ and Peter being together. Also another test and signpost that this marriage won't deal with Peter and MJ constantly suspecting eachother of infidelity.
>>153695366I meant to also say it is kind of a symbolic passing of the torch and Batman who has always prioritized the mission over love is a diverging point between him and Peter. So having him in the issue is more deep than the surface level, "OMG BATS is KEKING SPIDEY!" hijinks that Shooter is using.
>>153695214Well that is the vision of a single writer and aimed at children. It would set a bad example to be like ASM.
>>153695402I thought Spider-Man was about youth.;-)
Thinking about it, Satana is a little sister that grew up in Hell. I wonder if Magik was Claremont recycling ideas he thought of for her to some extent.
>>153681850>>153682057This is shit post. Paul wasn't Jewish. You're just getting /pol/ baited.
>>153695616Paul wasn't anything. He's a romantic false league as designed by a committee of hacks.He was a chicken korma cooking vegan, the writers had no idea what to do with the omnicidal black hole they made, so Ewing made him some hapless oafish loser who is a genius techie screw-up as well.Cathartic to some degree for the suffering audience, only now we have no fucking idea why MJ would fall for that beyond just needing to get some, and then continuing to need it once she returned.Just retcon this shit already.
>>153683802Why do you guys add retarded fanfiction to Spider-Man? That's not what fucking happened
>>153683802>>153695757It's the issue where the writer leave a gaping logical hole that fans try to fill in to explain why characters are doing what they are doing.>MJ isn't close or even seeming to like Paul until the kids arrive? (and doesn't question the two sole surviving children, nor Paul seeming about to suggest abandoning them)Must be mind control/trauma/magic not explaining shit>children are spiritual 'chains' for sacrificeMJ must have been manipulated/mind-controlled/magicked whateverThe points are all there, fans see them and explain the logic gap using them. But they are NOT going to be canon. They don't want the obvious consequences of four years of effective rape to excuse the characterization, so MJ's character has got to suffer the choice made for her by the idiot editor and his pet writer.
>tricked by gomez for 2 years longmarywhoreshitters rn
>>153694739It's the other way around.Because of everything post OMD being shit, adaptations have to take stories from the previous century. She's always gonna be the love interest in the (more popular than comics) adaptations, maybe sometimes being replaced by occasional Gwen.
>>153695937she already lost to Gwen, deal with it.
>>153695937It's very noticeable how much gets washed whenever something adapted.Fuck what does BND have in common with the OMD/OMIT comics beyond the name and the public identity being reversed?
>>153695034>1:00Article talking about Quesada Marvel approach seems important. I should look this up.
>>153695961In adaptations gwen has 2 movies, in comics gwen is dead
>>153684887>Peter broke up with Betty and had to drive her away with a stick And Peter sold his marriage away to the Devil
>>153695913Too real
>>153694698He literally can't write MJ because Ewing has his claws in her.
>>153696171Out of character bullshit lmao
>>153695961>she already lost to Gwen, deal with it.Gwen already lost to Spider-Gwen
>>153696184This is a huge issue in itself. MJ should not have her own book.
>>153696184He doesn't have any interest in writing any Spider-Man support cast, just his own OCs and telling us about May Parker's sex life.
>>153696189Self-sacrifice is a defining feature of Peter
>>153696220Were it up to Kelly, Peter would still be in space.Fuck, just shoot him back up there until the editorial finally changes. Nothing for him on Earth.
>>153696230Kelly does not want to write Peter either, he wants to write the space adventure season of Ben 10 Omniverse
>>153695913You can't self insert as paul anymore, he's not Jewish.
>>153696238Why doesn't Kelly just write GOTG? He clearly wants to write that kind of adventure.
>>153696184It's been said in interviews that the only reason Ewing got to use MJ in Venom is because Kelly wanted nothing to do with her, and had no plans for her.
>>153696228When Ben Reilly and Miles Morales also do it, it's no longer a Peter Parker's only thing anymore. Enough with spider larper saga.
>>153690195To spite us, as usual.
>woman on the right of Peter is actually Felicia, but the colourist got it wrong.SMALL FAMILY COMPANYMUCH QUALITYPLEASE UNDERSTAND
>>153695913KEK
>>153696259All Kelly had plans for was Aunt May's sex life, and it shows
>>153696519HANKYPANKYThis is what happens when you don't know what to do with a character that will never be told the truth or be given permission to die.
>>153696545I think he's just trying to show people his age are active fucking around
>>153696558Why would Aunt May be sure to mention this in front of Peter though?
>>153696326it's Peter's boss or Shae.
>>153696771Carlos on his Instagram said it's Felicia.
>>153696595She knows Peter isn't fucking so she's making fun of him
>>153696784So its Felicia but the colourist thought it was Shay?
>>153696326>we'll fix it on the volume release prease understandabsolute incompetence
>>153680799May gets de-aged by #1000
>>153696894That sounds like a cope from someone who gets younger only in her adaptations. Does she think that she gets younger from doing so by watching prime Peter?
>>153696946Prime Peter has not existed since Zeb Wells systematically emasculated him
>>153696972Why is she making fun of herself then?
>>153696259Don't tell that to our resident marywh0refag.
>>153696946My headcanon is that May is growing youthful off the souls of Peter and MJ, she is unknowingly sucking on their screaming souls to keep the survival spell going.It's bullshit but I believe it, and on a meta level it's completely true.
>>153697002that's not just delusional but also disturbing
>>153697012That's OMD for you.It's still canon their souls are screaming. Every panel since 2008 in ASM you are seeing our main characters souls in agony.
>>153696943That would mean undoing OMD first. The contract didn't involve her getting any younger. Aunt May got killed in MCU before Mephisto got added for this reason.
>>153690286>>153690748Hi Rich.
>>153685391Paul should have let SCAR keep Dylan.
>>153697048Your fanfiction is more disturbing than delusional, if that makes sense.
>>153697337Spencers run reaffirmed something was wrong with Peter's soul, so bad even Strange could see it.The rest is just reading verbatim what's in OMD. Mephisto gets off on the fact their souls are in agony.
>>153697355>Spencers run reaffirmed something was wrong with Peter's soul, so bad even Strange could see it.Yes, the fact that he stole the powers that were meant to be Paul's.
If Peter doesn't get to plow Black Cat for at least a year before returning to MJ then there is no justice in this world and writers still hate Peter with burning passion
>>153697406>plowit's called lovemaking
>>153697406I look forward to the pendulum swing when the next generation comes in, and they just make Peter a poly with Felicia and MJ.
>>153680746>>153680727blessed, Torment/Spiral our hero.
>>1536969462012 no regrets, just love in every form.
>>153697337Go back to writing your movie synergy slop, Slobb, or is it cancelled now?
>>153697469Never going to happen
>>153697566Out of their hands, all three become a public domain character within my lifetime.
>>153697431>PeterFelthey really deserve each other.
>>153697406Next week is going to be a bad time for you.
>>153697406Pride month is coming up. Felicia's going to be gay for the rest of the year.
>>153690137>he got tech jobsIs he stated as a christian in that fake goverment ID he used to find such jobs? Explains why he was buried like that. He wanted to die like Epstein for whatever reason.
>>153680727Why does Flash use the wheelchair sometimes and other times he has legs. What does Aunt May think when the guy she knows as Peter's legless friend shows up walking around
>>153697873"It's good to see Flash using those prosthetics again. It's like he never went off to that dreadful war".
>>153697939Why does he use the chair sometimes then though, like I don't understand why he would choose to be legless in a chair if he doesn't need to keep up the appearance of not having legs.
>>153680896>>153696943Oh no... Both of you just gave me a terrible thought:May Gets De-Aged and starts dating Peter!
>>153698069The secret Oedipus complex the Spoffice has been simmering over for decades finally runeth over.
>>153698021Could be any number of reasons. Doesn't want to feel too comfortable relying on prosthetics or a symbiote granting him legs or even the discomfort and soreness from using said prosthetics.
>>153697873>>153698115This is actually an interesting question. Does 4chan have a forum where you can ask disabled people about thier condition.
>>153698145There's a board for people with mental disabilities. It's called every board on 4chan.
>>153680727Paul is unequivocally the greatest modern Spiderman villain and he's gotten away with it.
>>153698892Mephisto and Paul.Anything that enables the Spoffice barrel scraping one more day.
>>153697431Sometimes Felicia wants love making, and sometimes she wants to be plowed.
>>153680727Man, everyone was SO TAKEN by Paul's death! A man who doomed his OG universe and got to have a second chance....to...uh, exist?Wasn't a hero, a good supporting character, boyfriend, etc...nothing was liked about the manBut OH MAN, GOTTA FEEL SAD THAT PAUL GOT OFF'D BY SPIRAL/CARNAGE (i can't remember)!
>>153698914One More Day was almost twenty years ago and we're still getting fucked in the ass by that book.
Incredible how peter and mary jane are spineless unlike wally west, motherfucker bent reality with sheer willpower and fan autism to undo his own bullshit and have culprits firef and blacklisted from industry.Even darkseid has a soft spot for him.
>>153698069Better;De aged AND a mind wipe of everyone connected to her. Pete just remembers his parents and collage etc, dates this new May girl.And we get like 25 issues out of it
>>153683325FUCK!WHOSE THE OLD FUCK AT MARVEL WHO DID THIS?PETERPAULMARYFUCKING 1970S FOLK BAND WAS SHIT!
>>153699045Wally gives me hope, like holy shit my main man actually did it, you outlasted the bastards and got it all back you fucking legend.
>>153699045Wally is on another level, he is shonen hero bullshit incarnate.>>153699052isnt young may literally a younger mayday even in appearance? because this means that she is the one mephisto fears it, and she was reincarnated as peter and mary jane's daughter.may needs to die to be reborn as spider girl, but also this means that if she gets de aged, she is getting peter and mary jane's powers if she gets bit or merged with venom.in any case mephisto is fucked.
>>153683325>>153683656>>153683747>>153683896>>153685016>>153685555>>153694739>>153699091>lowe saying>its the article writer saying it
>>153699398oh, well then fuck that faggot I guess, he's retarded
>>153697431They're the best.
>>153697406Peter's never plowing Felicia, since she's a lesbian. I won't be shocked if within the next year we get a storyline where she goes through some big realization that Peter was always really just a mistake and that she only likes women now. Probably something to do with trauma about getting raped.
>>153697406Peter and Felicia are the only couple that makes sense in ASM tbqh
>>153699486Making Felicia, Peter, and MJ into a throuple is literally the only thing that makes sense for her character at this point. They've made it insanely clear that she and Peter still love each other, and the only reason they're not together is because the writers decide to make them both retarded every once in a while, her and MJ have great chemistry whenever they're written together, they've already made Felicia canonically bisexual, and having her in a relationship with multiple people is literally the only way Marvel is going to depict her as anything other than a pure lesbian going forward, and you can even use it as justification for Marvel's retarded attitude that Peter can't get married, since polygamy is still illegal in NY.It's quite literally the only thing that makes sense, as retarded as that sounds.
>>153699532You're not entirely wrong, but Marvel's never going to get the sign off from Disney to make their main IP a polygamist. I don't even think we'll see it in an AU.
>>153699578We DID see those two panels in the Black Cat spin off.
>>153699578>I don't even think we'll see it in an AU.Kinda already done
>>153699627>>153699584Ah forgive me that was the Super-Man crossover.Also trust DC to be the coolest with it.
>>153699627I mean, it's a funny panel, and I know what was supposed to be implied, but I meant something way more outright and explicitly stating that they're all dating and MJ's a bisexual now.
>>153680727>>153685391fuck she's so idiotic. shouldn't be allowed anywhere near kids.
This thread is chock full of people who don't actually read the comic. They react to it in rage and develop fanfiction that they get mad at, and then people develop fanfiction about their fanfiction and get even madder about that, ad infinitum.You all have brain damage and cannot even discuss things that are true.
>>153680727>imagine being mature enough to accept other people having freedom of choice and association>outrage.discord
>>153695056What are you talking aboutShe's hooked up with two or maybe three chicks, and fucked Pete between one and two during new ways to die.
>>153694961I mean at this point I want her in 616 to just put Mary Jane undeniably in the "shitty partner" corner once and for allOnce you read MA, you realize what a good partner looks like for Peter, and it ain't a redhead.
>>153699759I read the comic and don't care for whatever's going on in it. My headcanon is that Peter/MJ/Fel are in a throuple and raising children together. Peter does the whole Spider-Man bit a lot less now and Miles and Ben have taken over the role.
>>153699759What fan fiction did they create?
>>153699868>Miles should take over.Everything you say can be dismissed.
>>153699892He has new responsibilities now, anon.
>>153699925What? who cares? i fucking hate Miles, he should be wiped from existence.
>>153699964Okay, fine. Ben and Kaine.
>>153699975Thats better. Can Kaine have a Ninja Sword?
>>153699823She's hooked up with more than that, like in nearly every Pride special, and almost every single issue of her current run involves her reminding the reader she likes women. Also anything she's done with Peter has immediately been followed up with her leaving him for a girl. She dumped him to move in with Amelia, and MJ says she's never seen her so in love. The instant Peter gets punched into space, she barely pauses to think about it until she's already asking out Night Nurse and sleeping with Chandra.
>>153700138I should point out, I'm one of many people who are on the "Felicia is gay" train and if Marvel ever decided to nut up and actually write a character that's bi as actually bi, I'd be fine with it. But with the overwhelming amount of women they've set her up with, and a straight up gay flag cover on ASM next month, it's very obvious what Marvel is doing: what they do with every bi character. They call them bi because they have a history, but in the present and future, they'll never have a straight relationship again. So it's functionally just lesbianism. DC does the same, as has been pointed out in multiple threads.
>>153695616He and his father were both Jewish. Zeb Wells is Jewish himself and wanted to write a Jewish villain and give Mary Jane a Jewish boyfriend.
>>153700192>has an off-and-on relationship with Peter and random women>"Shell never have a straight relationship again."
>>153700256She kind of looks like Aunt May here. I think I understand Felicia Fags now.
>>153700256She dumps him right after this, out of the blue, to go have a committed, 5-month, live-in relationship with a woman. And doesn't look back.
>>153700291They broke up because Zeb Wells didn't want to write them as a couple, he was forced to.They even brought in Kelly to write the romantic getaway arc because he refused to. During Eight Deaths you had some people flipping out when they hooked up because they were too socially retarded to understand that Shay had broken up with him because she didn't explicitly say "We're breaking up."
>>153700285What if Miles Warren created Felicia Hardy? She is actually a clone of Aunt May!
>>153700340They broke up because of Marvel mandate. It's worse than the MJ thing. Simple as, they can't have her in Pride specials if she's with Peter. Unless they break them up. So they simply won't be together, because it's more important to Marvel that they have their own Harley Quinn, a perfect queer icon. (This story is literally called "Be gay, do crime.")
>>153700138>She dumped him to move in with AmeliaThe point of this was to show that breaking up with Peter messed her up and she ended up doing the exact same thing of going through the motions.MJ literally calls her out on running from people that she loves, and love her in return, for a relationship she knew was doomed from the start because the betrayal would hurt less than putting her emotions into it.
>>153700519
>>153700521>The point of this was to show that breaking up with Peter messed her up>It's just been a while since I've seen you this happy. This in love.Uh-huh. Sure thing. Not like she didn't just see her with Peter months ago, implying she wasn't happy. Or in love.
>>153700620Are her eyes supposed to be green or blue?
>>153700620Yes and later on she realizes what was happening. You always post this stuff out of context for your flawed narrative. I have no idea why. The messy relationship drama is actually pretty good and nuanced here which is surprising and then I remember it's because it wasn't part of ASM but their own teamup book.
>>153700670They can't seem to decide with MJ either, who knows.
>>153700620And could MJ, possibly, have had alterior motives? She is not exactly happy with Paul at this point.
>>153700670>>153700705In canon they both have green eyes but Marvel frequently uses blue or silver for dramatic effect.I like Felicia with Blue.They also do this with Peter.
>>153700726How would you feel if she had yellow eyes?
>>153700703Later on she realizes her girlfriend is a villain, it has jack and shit to do with regretting a breakup with Peter. And that's ignoring how she's acted in a whole 10-issue run with a sapphic focused writer, chasing girls while she should be worried about Peter if she really cared all that much.
>>153700794And again, she knew that and was with her expecting to be betrayed. MJ literally calls her out on running away from people she truly loves. If you can't understand what's being said here you have to be trolling.> And that's ignoring how she's acted in a whole 10-issue run with a sapphic focused writer, chasing girls Yeah, Willow did her usual. >while she should be worried about Peter if she really cared all that much.And she was. She immediately ran to hug Peter once she saw him and only later realized they were in some alternate universe. Throughout the run we see Felicia let her emotions take a backseat and put up a front of the flighty flirtatious thief, only rarely letting her guard down. She literally breaks down and cries after it all then realizes she has to be there for MJ of whom is clearly upset and later has a small tantrum in her apt after the entire ordeal.
>>153700519You have no proof of any mandate. Zeb Wells's personal issues with happy relationships was obvious.
>>153700726Even back then it was inconsistent. But I'm actually ok with it. As long as it switches between blue and green.
>>153700794>>153700875Guys this is like trying to extract any kind of sense from a smooth-bore rock. This is the same run Peter called MJ like his sister.Ain't nobody being written well in Wells, they can't even get MJ's magic children names straight. Just ignore it like the whole thing will be memory-holed in a few years until to be wholly ret-conned like Sins Past.
>>153683427I don't care if he died, or disappeared, because the fact of the matter is that it happened. MJ is tainted as a love interest now, it will always be part of her history. I'd be mad if I didn't stop regularly reading Spider-Man after he sold his marriage to the devil and had Ock take control of him.
>>153700875You're really reading this as "you run away from people who truly love you?" This shit is literally "you choose people who don't prioritize you," which is pretty much just a dig at Peter (which this whole shitty miniseries is, but I digress).>Yeah, Willow did her usual.And who chose GWW to write this, knowing full well what she's doing in her other books? Marvel. You don't ask GWW to write this without knowing it's going to be hugely sapphic. Because, they want her to be queer above all.>And she was. She immediately ran to hug Peter once she saw him and only later realized they were in some alternate universe.She cares about Peter, but not in a romantic way that matters that's ever going to see them together.My whole point is this - very similar to MJ's shitty editorial decisions that have prevented her from being with Peter, it's obvious that Marvel has a direction that they want to take Felicia, and it's not a future with Peter. In-universe, sure, Felicia has plenty of reasons to still love Peter and maybe get back together one day since she's "bisexual." But Marvel isn't going to allow her to be written that way, besides nostalgic callbacks or silly flirting. I think you're missing that I'm not calling Felicia a lesbian because the storyline has naturally turned her into one, but because Marvel is dead-set on making sure they can always use her as their primary queer character from here on out. It's not a storyline decision, it's a corporate decision.
>>153701068>This is the same run Peter called MJ like his sister.It was Peter telling Felicia he was over MJ but she knew he wasn't. Also doubled as a reference from ASM #44
>>153701123I agree to a large extent anon, you've got a view with a lot of precedent, but just an aside what about Rivals where she is absolutely flinging herself at Peter? Does Fuck You money mean they are spared the Mouse mandate?
>>153701123>which is pretty much just a dig at Peter (which this whole shitty miniseries is, but I digress).It's about both of them. Ultimately, neither Peter nor Felicia prioritized the relationship in the end.Peter couldn't get over MJ and while Felicia tried to help, she also gave up and said she didn't want to keep going as she didn't want a project. What do you do with a project, anon? You work on prioritizing what needs to be done and building it up. >Because, they want her to be queer above all.She's one of the most prominent writers in comics when it comes to queer writers so yes, they chose her because her name carries weight.Yes, she's going to be used for queer stories but she'll also appear in ASM for random hookups because kicking everything down the street keeps the soap opera going. Fans largely won't be happy but Marvel will.
>>153701180She's also flinging herself at women in that game. The issue with Rivals is that a Chinese dev can't overtly talk about lesbians. Hell, Odessa Drake even makes it into her backstory. Counter-point though: what about Spider-Man 2 where she doesn't even interact with Peter, and only shows up to tell Miles about her girlfriend?>>153701264>she'll also appear in ASM for random hookupsI don't really agree. Especially if the spoilers for Venom in this thread are true, now Peter's likely going be hung up on MJ. That's another part of my point - Marvel's got a real issue on their hands. They're not going poly, so if Peter's focused on MJ (or even Raelith), what do you do with BC's love life? Because it's obvious that they're not going to drop that element of her, being horny all the time. Are they going to hook her up with another guy? Frank Castle? Daredevil? Likely not, as you'll piss off both SpiderCat shippers and the queer community at the same time. Leaving her in her own little gay bubble gets you queer bonus points and yuri fans. The fact of the matter is, Marvel and DC haven't exhibited they really know how to put the genie back in the bottle with anyone who comes out as bi. Maybe Daken, but he's a D-lister. Wonder Woman hasn't been explicitly bi and most of it comes from Greg Rucka spouting off in an interview. Catwoman kissed a girl once and they pretty much memoryholed it. But Felicia's now their most prominent, queer character. Like Kitty Pryde, Betsy and Rachel, etc., we won't see her breaking away from being queer any time soon, if ever.
>>153701470*Felicia's now *Marvel's* most prominent queer character. I kinda jumped around too much on that, but I do think the big two are struggling with the same problems and same mindset.
>>153700256>>153680799 >>153700285maybe this is Peter and Felicia after all.
>>153700533she's kind of rapey here. I'm ok with it.
>>153690137Dude, you gotta stop, you know it's not happening. You're giving them money.
>>153680727hahahah press F to spit on Paul's grave
>>153701470I think Black Cat might be fun with Cap or Sigurd. Fun character to bounce off, YA NO WUT UH MEAN!?!?!
Never forget...PAUL...FUCKED....YOUR GIRLFRIEND!!!
>>153701470>I don't really agree. Especially if the spoilers for Venom in this thread are true, now Peter's likely going be hung up on MJ.Let's be real here, he's been hung up on MJ for years and that hasn't stopped writers from throwing women at him for every new arc.Kelly already said Rae is going back to space and despite working to mend the relationship they'll have him with other women still. They still want to tease the will they/won't they garbage because retards keep hoping they'll get back together immediately. >Are they going to hook her up with another guy? Frank Castle? Daredevil? Likely not, as you'll piss off both SpiderCat shippers and the queer community at the same time. Leaving her in her own little gay bubble gets you queer bonus points and yuri fans. Willow talked about hooking her up with another guy so it's not exactly like it's an out there concept. She just didn't have the time to include it. But you're right about how she's one of their only few prominent queer characters. Even the last issue of BC was an appeal to Spider-Man fans to let her be her own character as they clearly want her decoupled from ASM so who knows how that will go.
>>153701494I want Marvel to get fucking raked over the coals for this whole thing being the case because Kevin Smith was a faggot who just wanted to lesbian shit.
>>153702211DeFalco was the one that made her a lesbian tho
>>153701730Cuckfaggot
Jesus Spider-Man discussion here is impossible because of shipping schizos. I don’t care about Felicia; only Twitter LARPers care about that ship. She isn’t really important to Peter in the grand scheme of things. Gwen has been dead for 50 years, and the only people who still care about her are people who never read the comics and only watched the ASM movies. MJ is a sad case because she was married to Peter for 20 years until editorial killed it, but even then, I won’t complain about their marriage if Peter can still be written well.
>>153702245In MC2 you dumbass.
>>153702402>Haha can't pay the bills again and have no woman such a loser haha time to save the world againHere is your well written Peter bwo...
>>153702458Which was a continuation of events from 616 with the change being that baby May survived and was found
>>153702402>Spider-Man discussion here is impossible because of shipping schizosBuddy our #1000 ASM issue is a secret cousin plot, and we got some fungi villain of the week until then. There IS no plot to discuss. Shipping is the only thing we got left until Lowe leaves.
>>153680727>>153650489>MJ just outright tells Peter she has no interest in Flash next issuePAULBROS! PAULCHAAAAADS! WE BETRAYED OUR GREATEST HERO FOR FLASH THOMPSON AND GOT NOTHING!?!?THEY FUCKING TRICKED US THEY SAID FLASH WOULD BE THE NEW PAUL!!!
>>153702334are you complaining that Mysterio should be getting fucked by Peter instead?
>>153702488Yeah and for all we know, Flash's sex game sucked or Doc Ock infected her with a dike virus and this turned her gay. Point is, it's an AU and thus their is an equal amount of justification for her being straight or gay in the 616. Except you know, the readers for 20 years knowing her as a straight character and no hint of this ever really happening.
>>153701123>>153700620nah, they gonna keep trying to separate peter and felicia with queer stuff but they're always going to belong together.
