Why are artists making shit like this all the time? They remind me of Linuxtards, which expect you to be using the console 24/7.I think what irks me most is the passive-agressiveness. They are dishonest and this is just an ego race.
>>153682552Yeah, but AIfags do deserve to be knocked down a peg.
>>153682552Because AI Bros have to have a 24-hour support Network for any minor criticism of anything AI in any way.I've seen AI tech Bros get mad at artists who point out that they literally put a filter over their work and tried to resell it not even generate just literal filter on top. Also acting as though they are equivalent to people with real skills who understand things, just because something comes out and it kind of works or is okay doesn't mean it's actually functional.
>>153682552Because its true. If you don't fucking draw then you'll never improve.
>>153682552>It's just youI dont get it
>>153682590I don't are how they can get lower desu
wow look i made something that actually has a fucking background and looks 90 times better in 2 seconds
>>153682653>I don't are
>>153682663Nice cope, slopper
>>153682663God I hope this is bait, or you're just mentally retarded but because you use AI is probably caused you severe brain damage. But that comes from MIT study and we don't read those because we like AI
>>153682552>They remind me of Linuxtards, which expect you to be using the console 24/7.Learning 10 commands must be really hard for you
>>153682552True, it's performative cringy virtue signaling.
>>153682706But true
>>153682552>"pick up a pencil">makes digital art
>>153682726So?
>>153682726use your digital pencil then
>>153682552What pisses me off most about this is how untrue it is. Talent exists, and that's a fact. Those who claim otherwise either haven't tried to draw themselves, or are arrogant bastards.
>>153682755talent only gets you so far
>>153682663>90 times betterYou can say that, but nobody will believe you.
>>153682755People who spout shit like this are the types who give up on honing a skill when they aren't instant masters after a week.
>>153682755Why do you think they invented blender dummy. Every God damn time you deal with an AI psycho they say the exact same crap how they can't draw on their disabled because their hands don't work and they have to eat chicken nuggets all day yet to tell them hey you can learn blender they freak out start screaming at you about the tutorials are too hard. Well guess what buttercup everything's is difficult hard if you want to change your life you have to do yourself and no magic computer is going to do that they're going to try to sell you on that but at the end of the day the people with talent and learn skills are always going to make money while you sit in the dust, even if you love AI you still got to know how to use it correctly and you guys are opposed to learning
>>153682726first you must pick up the pencilin your mind
literally no one is stopping people from traditional drawing.These people are just mad they no longer have a monopoly. And they know AI is better. If they didn't they wouldn't be nearly as much bitching and moaningif they actually cared about art they would be thrilled that there is more of it being created now than ever before
>>153682732Most digital "art" is as lazy as AI. It's just tracing, borrowing brushes and uncredited use.
>>153682840Nice fanfic
>>153682845Nope.
>>153682808You can walk ever with enouch and for and so i should use a car instead since real?
>>153682663based. looks more like poe too
>>153682552The guys itt seething over actual artists are wasting all their time & energy creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of "art being hard" or whatever by adamantly refusing to learn how to draw instead of just drawing. You have hands, you aren't an amputee, so there's really no excuse. You don't have to be DaVinci, but you can definitely draw something like an apple or a tree better than you can currently if you actually started to commit to learning how to do it. The problem isn't lacking skill or talent or whatever cope you want to adhere to, but your unwillingness to learn.
>>153682897Shut up, ESLfag
>>153682840ai is the modern equivalent of free clipart with the added bonus of being blurry nonsense half the time
>>153682875Keep coping
>>153682917but why when i can do this?
>>153682950Because you are weak.
>>153682755Yeah talent exists And people search to get their own while others just choose to whine
>>153682663>thees
>>153682952not a real answermine looks better sorry
>>153682663yuck, slopAlmost lost my lunch asshole.
>>153682755If by talent you mean having a pair of hands and a pair of eyes. The one thing getting in the way for most people is time, not "talent". 15 min a day is not enough to get anywhere in a lifetime, even if it is better than nothing.
>>153682808blender is actually quite easy, it just takes a few hours to figure out how it works and which shortcuts to press.
>>153682770I understand that it doesn't guarantee success, but without talent, no matter how much effort you put in, nothing will work out.>>153682787>>153682808I've been fucking watching tutorials, reading books, and drawing every single day for two years now, and I've gotten nothing. My results aren't just pathetic, they're fucking worthless, and no matter how hard I try, I just can't do anything, even though I'm mentally and physically healthy (though maybe the fact that I'm on 4chan says otherwise). I know what I'm talking about, because I've been through this shit myself, and I keep fucking trying because I'm either too stubborn or too stupid to admit defeat.
>>153682755Talent is absolutely real and it can make drawing feel like second nature to some people compared to those that struggle. Doesn't mean only talented people can learn to draw, but anyone that says "talent isn't real" is just coping.
>>153682950Do you also choose not to wipe your ass because it's too much work to reach behind you
Is this "talent" in the room with us right now?
>>153682968Wrong
>>153682552In the time I have been shitting up MS Paint canvases, I have come to terms that everyone can draw, sure, but only a select bunch have the necessary brain function and patience to draw well.To draw well is a life long endeavour. If you don't have the right mind for it (quitters attitude, hard time learning things in general, crappy hand-eye coordination), even trying hard, you'll still fall short. I have lots of brain problems which prevent me from ever actually getting anywhere.Also every single fucking artist I ever spoke to whose art I liked always said they started in childhood, whether they never stopped or took a break. Childhood drawing is key, if you didn't, you are fucked. I've seen some vids of parents sharing their kids doodles and I'm like "the fuck is point by the time this kid is 20 they are going to be a professional while I sit here in suckland forever because I didn't draw much back then".I tried to hard and didn't get far, and in the end, it still looooks like sheeeeet~
I also notice that actually good artists don't cry about AIslop ever. It's almost exclusively the bad artists or the artists that make cringy tumblr or furry art crap. It's almost like AIslop seethers are trying to make up for the fact that their art sucks by virtue signaling, thus giving them the attention they're not getting from their art and virtue signaling for pity points so people will look at their trash art cause hey at least it's not aislop.Talented artists are too busy to cry and bitch as well as not feeling threatened by AI art.
>>153683037How many "good artists" are you following. Hard mode: no coomer slop.
>>153683037To be fair, neural networks have put aspiring and mid-level artists out of work, so they have reason to be angry.
>>153683012if i had an ass wiping machine that was 90% more hygienic then yeah for now your moms tounge will do just fine
>>153683066That's irrelevant. I'm going off all the seething I've seen over the last 3-4 years ever since AI art generation started becoming an actual thing. I'm not pro-AI art. It's just blatantly obvious a lot of anti-AI art seethe comes from petty attention whore attempt by artists whose art is not good so they use the collective hatred of ai art to virtue signal and shill their own art.
>>153683124>That's irrelevantSo you're talking out of your ass.I've seen industry professionals against AI since it's trained off their work. I can even point at one.https://youtu.be/svsTKrdSd7s
>>153682590They aren't looking good with shit like this. And was it Kung fu pandas creator who posted this or is this some pond scum "fanartist" talking down to people who "can't create"?
>>153683151No, just a fanartist
>>153683124>Posts Aibro cope>"I'm not pro-AI art"
>>153682552If it's just you, what difference does it make if you use ai tools? It's the idea not the execution, right?
>>153683181Based retard
>>153683004If you're making an effort, you're definitely better than you were two years ago. Everyone is their own harshest critic because we tend to focus on the things we know could be better rather than the things we did well.
>>153682663
>>153683124The incessant moralfagging is turning me pro-AI purely out of spite, especially since they bring it here to fucking 4CHAN which has much more pressing problems.
>>153682663Ramesh...
Good question
>>153683345Kys, Sharkfag
>it's just you...>and a decade of learning/training/experience>and spending money on equipment and tools>and there is no guarantee you will ever get goodIs there a word for when people learn something hard, and then downplay how hard it is?
>>153683321>Bro all this moralfagging is totally turning me pro-AI. Isn't that right, fellow neutral 4chan users?>Just conveniently ignore that people on my- I mean, the pro-AI camp are obnoxious retards!Bro you hacks would unironically be more tolerable if you just admitted to wanting cheap 3D fap fuel for nearly free instead of repeating all the vagueposting futurism shit we heard about crypto a decade ago (except this time with jarring pngs)
>>153683404If you're too poor to afford a pencil, paper, and sandpaper, you shouldn't be wasting time on this website.
Why do you people shill ai don't you see what they're trying to do to you people. Youre dulling your brains. You will have no skills. You will lose your self reliance. You will be stumbling in the dark starving as they remove all substance from your life. Where there is nothing for you to do there is nothing for you to have.
>>153683466>Why do you people shill aiartists are that annoying
>>153683480AIfags are a million time more annoying. It's not even a competition, they are the highest level faggots we've ever seen.
>>153683432What's the sandpaper for?
>>153682552Hes just encouraging you to draw, no matter then result Dorsnt seem aggressive at all to me op, relax lol
Drawing is 80% talent, I.E. the ability to intuitively understand how to simplify forms, see contours, and place lines.It's undeniable. I know this from months trying to draw and failing miserably to the standards I have set. Meanwhile some other (naturally talented) individuals are creating great works already. Some big shot artist will call me retarded for not being able to draw like them, as they usually do. But they are so far up their own they can't just accept that talent has blessed them, and it has little to do with their actual efforts.My two (valuable) cents.
>>153682552it is pretentious and smug as all hell but it's right, put up that pen and draw, usually fags who purchase a tablet think it's gonna do the work for them
>KFP2 has Jean-Claude Van Damme say 6 lines and Victor Garber say 3 linesWhat was the point?
>>153683006>>153682755So because someone else is Leonardo da Vinci but youre (supposedly) not, you shouldn't draw?Are you seriously gonna dodge the gym like a fatass just because youre not Arnold Schwarzenegger or dolph lundgren or something?You think the teens and grown niggas playing street basketball care that theyre not the next LeBron James?.No one that cares about the craft gives a shit about talent that much, they just do.If yiu actually cared you wouldnt let "talent" make you into a pussyThe people who complain about talent are just pussies looking for excuses to not improve, end of story.
>>153683037Ice seen great artists shit on ai, dont be spreading bullshit on my board you little rat
>>153683752To make you seethe.
>>153683124This is an imagined scenario Just admit youre an ai glazer seething that people dont like your shit
>>153683735Who the fuck is calling you retarded Fuck them and just drawJust take the chris chan pill, honestly Who cares about what fleshbags think, reality is a simulation anyway, and I didnt spawn into this silly ass world to NOT stereotype ehat I want to create, /ic/ be damned
>>153682627hehe
>>153682552These arrogant cunts over here making professional shit and pretending it's easy. >Just pick up a pencil broBullshit it takes years to reach that level. AI lets me get the good shit in a fraction of the time and money.
>>153683779I specifically said that you don't need talent to be able to draw. Talent is real but it's not the be all end all, it's just an exp boost.
I was told we'd have a bunch of AI cartoons right now but everyone's still on about the same 2 indie shows
>>153682552Okay. I am writing this with a mechanical pencil in hand. I want to draw movie Bumblebee. What do I do next.
>>153683798Cool, that's cool. Still doesn't change what I said.>my boardInsufferable speak.>>153683812>ai glazerNothing I've said in this thread would imply that even slightly. Flat out saying I'm not pro-Ai isn't even enough to appease you nutters. That would mean by your unhinged logic you're secretly an "ai glazer". Makes no sense, cause that's how you anti-AI nutcases in this thread operate.
>>153682552Between the two, the AI bros are WAY more obnoxious with their constant advertising and bragging about their skills and demanding everyone join them or die. They are making Linkedin too fucking annoying to bother with.
It sucks to see a talented production designer like Raymond Zibach waste his artistic skills on crappy scripts like Sinbad and KFP2
I picked up a pencil (and colored pencils too) and drew this. Now what?
>>153683404Perhaps you will never get good. But right now you will certainly never be good, because you have given up on yourself. If you fear failure and fear waste, then fear the failure to try and the waste of your potential
>>153684031Faggot
>>153683995>Between the two, the AI bros are WAY more obnoxious with their constant advertising and bragging about their skills and demanding everyone join them or die.Wrong. Did you forget about the Hollywood protests of 2023?Anti-ai is far worse.
>>153683690Wiping
>>153683150>I've seen industry professionals against AI since it's trained off their work. Every artist had trained or copied someone's work.Biggest example is anime. But you don't see Disney bitching, do you?
>>153683690You rub the pencil tip against it at an angle to sharpen the edge without having to stick the whole thing in a sharpener. That's what these things are for in art kits.
>>153683995Bullshit. every single day I see some artist bitching and screeching about how AI is stealing from them or ruining them. Meanwhile they are still working, still have homes, still have everything but they want to hear themselves bitch and screech every single fucking day everywhere they can.
>>153683995...and you would be wrong.
>>153684185Cope
>>153683798I've seen some absolutely shit artists shit on AI, and it is fucking mind boggling. They can up their skills instantly with the new tool but refuse for some kind of retarded purity test.
>>153684051Good work anon. I improved your drawing further and fed it to ai.
>>153683983>Flat out saying I'm not pro-Ai isn't even enough to appease you nuttersBecause you're full of shit and repeating AIfag well-poisoning tactics.
>>153684134Sure thing >>153684207Kys
>>153684218Cope. AI is just a tool.
>>153683466And the heroine addictred retarded fucks that tape bananas to walls and talk about feelings are somehow NOT dulling their brains? You can lose braincells just trying to parse their magnum opus of splattering paint on walls.
>>153684207It's supposed to be a varanid face. You failed miserably.
>>153683466>Why do you people shill for calculators. Don't you see what they're doing to you people. You will have no skills. You will lose your self reliance.
>>153682917Counterpoint, make actually good professional level images in your first year that can lead to jobs and success.
>>153684210Like I said you guys are unhinged about this and the doubling down only further proves it.
>>153684234A tool that is replacing you.
>>153684294Ok, so what? Horses went through the same thing. Do we ban cars?
All I am seeing here is a collection of midwit drawfags who are currently seething at their inability to make the next Haxbin but still have the fatburger mindset of they will be super rich and successful some day..spread their seethe into other new areas in more self destructive ways. Since they can now actually manage to create their next animated pilot all on their own..but they would rather sit idle and be mad some more about its existence instead of launch their careers.Seems the actual block to success was their own shitty self destructive behavior all along.
>>153684134>Every artist had trained or copied someone's workDumbest AI cope.An artist copies when they're learning in order to understand their subject, and after a while they will learn how it operates. AI does not do that. AI does not know that a "cat" has two triangle ears, four legs, and a tail. It tries to approximate what a cat is based on all of its drawings of a cat. For this reason, AI struggles with combining rational ideas that it cannot easily reference because it cannot "conceptualize" them. An artist that has never seen a long-haired cat can reasonably draw one despite this because they're familiar with what a "cat" is; an AI with similar ignorance would make something like a cat, but give it rockstar human hair, or just hallucinate hair all around it.It's the reason ChatGPT struggles to make a glass of wine full to the brim.
>>153684175So what you're saying is that nobody is allowed to complain about theft unless they're homeless.
>>153684094>>153684172That's a thing? I thought only I was doing it.
>>153684294Nope
>>153684292>No response>Ad homAre you having ChatGPT write your comebacks, or Gemini?
>>153684358I'm saying grow the fuck up. no one is stealing from you, the world is evolving and you need to keep up with it or be left behind.
>>153684345Is just a matter of teaching it a drawing methodology, that infographic ai that makes infographics bypass all that because it used very standarized images meant for clarity, which means it learns pretty much exactly like people
>>153684391fucking THISSSSS^^^NO ONE stole an image you made and put their name on it. That has never happened nor ever will happen. AI is making new images and artfags just want to be mad and say all things come from them. They cannot get over themselves to grasp how the technology works at all and want to rage about it.
>>153682706It’s a little egocentric but the intent is encouragement
>>153684391You need to evolve.>>153684403Sure thing
>>153684305Cars are better than horses in every way, solve a basic need, and didn't need to ruin everyone's lives for it. AIslop isn't that much better outside of coomslop and just keeps getting pushed with promises that it'll one day, in the far off future, have something just as good as people, and it only costs Google getting government grants to build data centers everywhere and buy all of our GPU.
>>153684345>An artist copies when they're learning in order to understand their subjectSame with AI.>and after a while they will learn how it operates.Same with AI. > AI does not know that a "cat" has two triangle ears, four legs, and a tail.WTF? Of course it knows it's a cat. Why else would it generate it....> It tries to approximate what a cat is based on all of its drawings of a cat. You just said it yourself. Humans and AI learned the subject first before attempting it. >AI struggles with combining rational ideas that it cannot easily reference because it cannot "conceptualize" them. AI combines rational ideas all the fucking time. >An artist that has never seen a long-haired cat can reasonably draw one despite this because they're familiar with what a "cat" is; If AI knows what hair is and you ask it to add more hair to a cat then it would draw it. >an AI with similar ignorance would make something like a cat, but give it rockstar human hair, or just hallucinate hair all around it.No.>It's the reason ChatGPT struggles to make a glass of wine full to the brim.No.
>>153682552it's unfortunately a legitimate message that has been repeatedly brainlessly in a way that undermines the value that message holds. Like it's saying >learn art so you can virtue signal with us and make pithy little drawings where cartoon characters espouse your opinions like a huge fucking faggot
>>153684431If AI wasn't better than artists then why do big studios keep firing them instead of hiring more humans? Disney literally just fired some of their most expensive concept artists but it's still business as usual.
>>153684391>I'm saying grow the fuck up.>>153684403>fucking THISSSSS^^^The astounding dissonance between AIfag brats.No, nobody has stolen my art, but I can still see the effects of it. The people who ARE making the art you're stealing from are complaining. The people who have to use the websites you fags have flooded with your slop hate you. The people who keep having slop shoved in their faces everywhere hate you. The people who live near the data centers you fags worship hate you.Everyone hates you except your fellow coomers because you're too poor/cheap to commission some jackass on Twitter to make a 3D model of Elsa in some lingerie and devoted your lives to making that our problems.
>>153684175>if they aren't immediately destitute and suffering extreme agony, their complaints aren't legitimateArtists are largely a fucking annoying demographic, but if you don't realize how fucking retarded big tech investor bros are, you are too dumb to be breathing.
>>153682552
>>153684395>teaching it a drawing methodologyYour response is basically "if you teach AI to draw, then it can actually draw!" No shit! Ignoring the obvious question of "and how do you do that," you're not making a comeback, you're making a tautology.
>>153683947How much it would cost to produce a 2 hour movie completely made in AI, including the script?This assuming it will have a consistent story throughout and it's not many short stories put together.
>>153684368It's funny how you guys seem to hate artists as though artists have stolen something from you, even though you keep defending AI and let's be honest this one particular area of AI. If you know how many AI features are now in most 3D softwares it blow your mind but you really don't know anything, you just want AI to make something for you. You seem to want fame and respect but at the same time you hate artists yet you want to be one which is completely insane. You bring up culture war topics that I kind of outdated they sound like 2020 get you act like you're living in the future. You pretend that you are the only one who has access to generative AI even though I've seen mentally retarded people use it and the biggest users of AI are often times hillbillies who use AI for everything. They make logos that look terrible they can't even make multiple runs on a generation they just go with the first thing they see you should see how many food trucks have these terrible AI images. And on top of that you ignore that this generative AI is coming from giant corporations that don't have your best interest in heart and are taking your personal data yet you defend them. What is the point of white knighting for a company like openai that literally killed a guy who was trying to say they were breaking copyright. You talk about industrial revolution yet you don't even know 100 years of life expectancy actually went down before any of the benefits of the industrial revolution hit the majority of the population and you act like you're part of this elite group, you're not unless you're an actual multi-billionaire who's heavily invested in AI you should be a little bit more weary of these companies. Instead you hate on the most irrelevant artists and the only thing I can think of is that you both work at Walmart and you hate the purple haired lesbian want to be artist because she didn't give you a bj
Btw, the hypocrisy of people praising horses losing their jobs is hilarious.Horses had done their job for thousands of years but you never once thought about the sacrifices they made.So why should anyone give a fuck when artists are now homeless and begging? You're not much better than an animal.
>>153684473>why do big studios keep firing them instead of hiring more humans?Same reason you obnoxious jeets keep flooding r34 and Google with your crap. Because it's not good, it's cheap.When's the last time you ever saw a studio that was investing in AI give a single flying shit about the quality of their end product?
>>153684478Big difference is that tech investors are the engine that moves almost every level of our society.Artists are largely unemployed fucking noboodies that got a shit degree and no job placement for it.
>>153683779Anon, let's be realistic: when you start learning to draw, you do it only because you want to draw just like some amazing artist whose work you really like. You want to draw like them, to do exactly the same amazing things, but you CAN'T do it, simply because they have talent and you don't. It's seriously demoralizing.
>>153684590>Yeah bro by slurping up OpenAI slop I'm actually part of the elite innovators!You're the type of fag that lost thousands in NFTs and Bitcoin clones.
>>153684475>No one stole my art, but I'm still going to make up scenarios where they did...Too fucking bad, no one has evert taken a pic you made and slapped their name on it. No one ever will do that. you keep wanting to make up this big bad boogeyman scenario where you are being stolen from and then boo hoo on social media for sympathy points. It's fucking stupid and no one is falling for it. No one has ever stolen anything from you. and the blunt fact you need to drill into your head is that no one will ever want to either. You're just not that special.
>>153684602>It's seriously demoralizing.Mask slip revealing unironic projection.
>>153684541Which one is going to have every single major company out there clamoring to get them on board?It's probably going to be the one that can cheaply and efficiently have a finished product made up in less than an hour. success will prove which one is going to win in the end.
>>153684614>>The people who ARE making the art you're stealing from are complaining. The people who have to use the websites you fags have flooded with your slop hate you. The people who keep having slop shoved in their faces everywhere hate you. The people who live near the data centers you fags worship hate you.Noticed you skipped this partAIbros are so retarded. We should just start killing you lot.
Say what you want about AI stuff, but at least it isn't photography
>>153684543Less than that, horses actually do lots of hard labor. Artists are universally known for avoiding any kind of work as much as possible.
>>153684590Are you really going to defend the current tech industry, and act like they're doing a good job I mean they've destroyed everything. You remember when YouTube first came out now it sucks Facebook is a joke it's like talking to a brick wall I swear to God. Big tech sucks nowadays between their insecure data mining everything. And then they're trying to charge you for anything it's crazy and yet you're still acting as though it's early 2010s. They censored everything they're trying to get rid of the internet archives every major game developer sucks and you're hating on what concept artists 3D modelers and animators. Big Hollywood is still going to have plenty of these woke writers they're going to fire the VX department. You guys run around celebrating them Disney just fired their concept artist yeah the guys who made the suits who have no power over the development of the movies. You guys are so disconnected you don't even know that mid journey is getting sued by Disney not for training data but for copyright and they're going to lose and they're going to crack down on all your rule 34 AI generated stuff and they're going to bring in digital IDs on the internet to make sure that the content is real like you guys are betting on the super villains acting like you're part of their club. And you're hating on the artist with no power because you think they have control over any aspect you don't talk about the money every conversation I've had with you guys when you start talking about where dei comes from it doesn't come from the company that comes from Black Rock but you guys know nothing but the evil transgender artist is going to get hurt by AI therefore I will be a permanent slave of an industry that's harvesting my data and building profiles on me, and yes I might get pre-crimed and I lose any access to the internet and everything becomes government controlled digital IDs but I showed up those transgender artists on Twitter that's all this is
>>153684555> Because it's not good, it's cheap.If a product is cheap, it means you failed to provide a better service people can pay for. Lamborghinis are expensive as fuck but they still sell out because they are status symbols that even Honda Civic drivers would rather be seen in.You can now apply the same logic to art. The best artists exist because people WANT to support them.If your art has no appeal then you wont get a job. Period.
>>153682706>Any self-encouraging support is virtue signalingPeople who talk like this are just retard-signaling, and would rather live in a world of violent amoral retards like themselves>>153684461The two most well known wecomics that do this are far right-winged
>>153684643Photography is at least nice to look at since it shows that there's beauty in the world around you.
>>153684637>I'm just going to keep on inventing boogeyman scenarios where somehow in some way you ARE stealing, even if it I have to make up a series of lies to get to my point!!!!This is kind of pathetic anon. This is on the level of the university fags trying to redefine racism as anything class distinction and not race, you are trying to redefine theft to whatever works for your want to ever be a victim mentality.
>>153684624I don't know what kind of person you have to be to be unable to rationally recognize that different arts can be better or worse by comparison, and I've never hidden the fact that I compare myself to others: that's the only way to correct your mistakes.
Learning to draw is one of the most miserable, demoralizing things I've ever tried and I am a certified NGMI. Even so, I'd rather give up than settle for AI cope.
>>153684660The funny part is, you made this lengthy speech bitching about the tech industry on a computer, using the internet, on an image forum...but yeah we all know tech companies are knowingly evil satan worshipers that we should burn down immediately right???
>>153682552>Believe in yourself.>FUCK YOU!Ah, /co/.
>>153684686Thanks to my study of drawing, I realized why I dislike neural network works. I didn't start like it, I simply understood its fundamental problems.
>>153684689First of all you don't get it, the technology is different from the tech industry let me blow your mind these companies buy the tech and resell it . They harvest your data and create advertisement profiles on you they sell your data to whenever they want and they don't care. You don't get this is a bunch of money pushers not a bunch of tech nerds sitting around inventing the future those guys got bought out. Even the current gen of AI is all being bought out by these big scumbags and scammers. The days of the little internet nerd changing the world is gone all you can do is sell whatever you invent to some big tech company and they will have control over it if you can't see how bad every mainstream platform is right now then I don't know if I'm talking to a bot or an idiot
>>153684439Nice deflections
>>153684711>I didn't start like it, I simply understood its fundamental problems.AI has already solved 99% of the problems critics have thrown at it.Can't do faces? Done.Can't do hands? Done.Can't do videos/animation? Done. Now the critics of ai art have to resort to extreme nit picking and fringe cases.Anything a human can do, ai will match it with enough time.
>>153684543Sure thing >>153684645That’s AIfags
>>153684694Should had drawn Kamina from Gurren Lagann holding a pencil and saying "Believe in me who believes in you."
>>153684772That makes no damn sense and you can literally see where it pulls from. Now actually make something interesting that people want to see can you do that or you just going to continue to scream about AI being the future
>>153684667>If a product is cheap, it means you failed to provide a better service people can pay for.Unsubtle concession that AI art doesn't look better and exists so that corporations can save money by making a worse product.>Lamborghinis are expensive as fuck but they still sell out because they are status symbols that even Honda Civic drivers would rather be seen in.AI art is not a status symbol. AI art is cheap and mass-produced. Any jackass can go and upload slop onto Deviantart. Why do you AIbros LARP with this presumed elitism?
>>153684675Wait until you learn that "art forgery" existed before AI.
artists:>anyone can draw, even you! :)AI homos:>you think you're better than me REEE why are you so elitist!!111 >:(Why are they like this
>>153684786>Sure thingHey man it's the same logic. You guys devalue or looked down on other people different from you.Now when the shoe is on the other foot, do you guys practice empathy.Sorry but it's too little too late. More robots are coming and will do your job soon.
>>153684837Okay let's be hypothetical, they are 100% right all job are obsolete AI is the future we're going to have a superintelligence that's going to do everything, how do you win personally in this equation? I've never heard an AI supporter tell me how they are going to be affected positively
All AIfags have to do is >label their shit as AI>don't enter art contests but they don't do either of these two things and wonder why everyone is annoyed by them
>>153684439
>>153684806You aren't reading my comment.I'm saying it's artists fault for not making their art a status symbol if they want jobs.If someone chooses ai, it's because you didn't do enough to impress them.A man like Davinci could come back from the dead and still sell out instantly because he is a rockstar to most humans.That's your competition.
>>153684772>Can't do faces? Done.>Can't do hands? Done.Sure thing buddy.
>>153684714Whining screeching child wants something to whine about, got it!
>>153684772A neural network can't fully replicate a human being because it lacks the same goal-oriented approach that humans have. I'd better say that a neural network can't direct the viewer's gaze so that it wanders across the drawing the way the artist intends. A neural network is simply a huge set of probabilities. It doesn't know that in order to draw a hand, you need to draw the lines in the appropriate way. It simply knows that the pixels most likely need to be arranged in the following manner to produce the lines that form the hand. This is why AI art has such a strange sense of wrongness, simply because, in fact, it's arranging the pixels in the MOST PROBABLE order, not in the SPECIFIC REQUIRED order.
>>153684786how so? AI bros are actually making things, making scenes, making animations, working on pilots, they are currently doing everything in every level of production that the artfags just won't do and whine about how no one is paying them millions to doodle drawings.AI bros currently ARE the film making arm of the economy right now doing tons of things every single day. Artfags just want to be rich, think drawing things is some stepping stone to being rich, then refuse to take any jobs and refuse to work while still complaining that others who are working and doing are taking all their jobs...that they refuse to do.
>>153684837Keep coping
THEY'RE SENDING ARTISTS TO THE GLUE FACTORY
>>153684870remake this same image with ai
>>153684937Don’t oversell it,
>>153684948They might actually be useful for something
>>153684272bad example because kids today can't fucking read or do math lmao
>>153684965Fuck off, bugmen
>>153684883At this point we need an AIfag bingo card.>>Doesn't address post he's replying to>>More whining about imaginary "artists" living rent free in his headYou fags have made Google image search practically unusable. How many pictures do I have to scribble together before I get the right to complain in your eyes?>If someone chooses ai, it's because you didn't do enough to impress them.That, or they're cheap and-or lazy.You really want to look at pic related and tell me that this isn't something a human could have made? Bullshit. Fuck off.>A man like Davinci could come back from the dead and still sell out instantly because he is a rockstar to most humansThat is 100% irreleva-Actually, no it isn't.Davinci could come back from the dead right now and you fags would call him a retard while posting anatomically god-awful slop that you think is better because of overrendering. Then you would go take a trip to your designated shitting streets to post on /co/.
>>153684922>I'd better say that a neural network can't direct the viewer's gaze so that it wanders across the drawing the way the artist intends.You're talking about composition. AI has absolutely been trained and has an understanding of that. See pic related. AI absolute reorganized all the visual elements on its own. >It doesn't know that in order to draw a hand, you need to draw the lines in the appropriate way.Not every artist uses a line to draw a hand dude. Why do you think 3D modelling exists?
>>153684922AIbros never respond to this point an instead rage and namecall while giving surface-level "nuh uh"s.
>>153684950It'll fuck up the lettering
>>153682663But did you have fun?
>>153684997>That, or they're cheap and-or lazy.You really want to look at pic related and tell me that this isn't something a human could have made? Bullshit. Fuck off.So you want to control how humans should be allowed to spend their money?That's communism bitch. Either make a better product worth buying or increase your sales pitch.
>>153682590fpbp
>>153684051cute
>>153685039>Redditspacer who can't greentext right trying to tu quoqueAlso backwards argument given how many AI companies are getting government grants and tax exemptions.
>>153685072> >RedditspacerNewfag
>>153684946That robot is still working dumbass. It's about to hit 50 hours. We wont need retards like you anymore.
>>153684948>>153684965Is this how they produce glitter glue? I thought it was made out of unicorns.
>>153685005You're looking at a 3D image on a 2D monitor; there are lines, and composition isn't the only thing I had in mind. Quite a few things in the image guide the viewer, and the trick is that a human can use all of this intentionally, while a neural network simply selects the most probable positions for pixels.
>>153685093Nice projection
>>153685090No u
>>153684234yes and you suck at it too lol
>>153685101>You're looking at a 3D image on a 2D monitor; there are lines, and composition isn't the only thing I had in mind. Quite a few things in the image guide the viewer, and the trick is that a human can use all of this intentionally, while a neural network simply selects the most probable positions for pixels.You're taking the lines way too seriously. You don't need a ruler to draw a hand. People also use SHAPES and PATTERNS to achieve the same thing.The latter is absolutely what AI does and requires intention.
>>153685093What's with all the LARPing of being an AI tech billionaire. It's incredible you have such contradictory views, all artists are trust fund babies and at the same time they're going to be out of a job because AI will replace them because it will replace all jobs and this is a win for you because their magic trust fund will disappear somehow and what you don't work? You don't think you're replaceable where in this scenario do you win personally. I can understand the appeal of pissing off transgender woke people on Twitter who are artists but you have to have some sort of survival instinct here by your own acknowledgment you're basically supporting a machine that will replace you and all of humanity and probably kill us all. I don't see how you win in this outcome.
>>153685144> where in this scenario do you win personally. Natural selection exists for a reason. Survival of the fittest.
>>153685140>and PATTERNS to achieve the same thing.>The latter is absolutely what AI does and requires intention.You came close until this part dude
>>153685140By lines, I mean the contrast between different objects, light, lines, and so on. Essentially, the boundaries your brain uses to perceive depth and volume.
>>153685163Absolute delusion
>>153685163Again taking a while stand in the dark you are either living at home with your parents or on disability. There is no where in this equation where you are not disposable. I understand the LARPing of being the villain and pretending that you're part of a winning group but you're not part of that club.
At least none of the AIfags in this thread are trying to pass off that prompting takes any kind of skill, like they used to.
/co/ shouldn't even be bitching, the entire animation industry is already CGI
>>153685177AI absolutely understands volume dude.That's why it makes 3D images for god sake...Or if you still nitpick, then go look at the 3D AI generators.
>>153685209Stop deflecting
Being an artfag literally keeps you young. Considering the adverse affects that AI has on actual mental capabilities, I wonder if being a slopper literally ages you too.
>>153684669ah ha ha, yeah no. op's pic is not sincere or just a nice little encourager, it's completely motivated by self masturbatory narcissism and spite, poorly disguised as motivation for artists to make art. It's a threat quite blatantly that you better not use ai or we'll ruin you. It's entirely fueled by virtue signaling. That picture was clearly created in response to ai existing.
>>153685210I look and see again that the neural network has no idea what it is doing, but it did the most probable thing it could.
>>153685210Does it?
>>153685222They said pick up a pencil not pick up a copy of Autodesk
The bazaarness of this thread is extraordinary, whether you like AI or not the fact that you're defending these incredibly sleazy companies that are worth trillions of dollars while pretending that you're part of them. You're not the CEO of a major AI company unless your whole portfolio is made up of AI stocks I don't get the hyper defense. You seem to be celebrating the replacement of human labor across the board acting as though you're getting free money from some magic fairy. Sorry to burst your bubble but they're not going to give you Ubi . If skynet became real you would support it and end up in a human concentration camp while proclaiming AI is a future and how humans are obsolete while starving to death. If this was a year ago I could get it but now even YouTube is demonetizing AI so I don't even see a financial incentive to defend these AI companies. These are the companies that say you will owe nothing and be happy and you are pretending that this is a good thing. I see this all the time where I work these Trump supporters come in they don't have a pot to piss in they have no money gas putting them out of business and their food stamp card is declined but they're still wearing the maga and walking around with locker up shirts.
>>153684772What the fuck happened here lol
>>153684276Nobody except Asians and some spics are born with highbreed genetics
>>153685275Lol
>>153682552Its one of those smug virtue signal things.
>>153685289>These are the companies that say you will owe nothing and be happy and you are pretending that this is a good thing*ownHumorous typo>where I work these Trump supporters come in (...)Ironically the Harris campaign in 2024 was caught adding AI crowds in some of their pictures. Irrelevant tangent otherwise.You're spot-on everywhere else though.
>>153685259Well, I'm officially bored and tired of this debate. It's funny you say "it has no idea what is doing" but each year the tech has gotten better and replaced a lot of "expert" artists.So I'm not sure what your long term rebuttal is. Stay in denial while thousands of people are being fired I guess...
>>153684837https://youtu.be/eQdlO6hpCrw?si=qxYfcersDzWG5Y_NLol
>>153685368>15 minutesYeah, that benchmark is clearly outdated. The robots I linked to are working hours on end. And they're STILL going.
>>153683004You would need to post some attempts for context, because every artist says this kinda stuff at some point
>>153685349>Anon pulls out the "well I'm actually bored" card when he can't answer anon's point; cares enough to try to get the last word in with retarded "guys it'll get better in a bajillion years trust the plan" unfalsifiable cope.>Openly admits he has nothing except some gay revenge fantasy against a bunch of people he doesn't even knowCry harder slopjeet.Acting like a little shithead LARPing as an ammoral jerk won't make people like you.
>>153685407Most normal people aren't 4chan, doofus. In fact it drives the point harder.Robots are already seen as celebrities and achieved high status.Good luck with your sad and jobless life. LOL.
>>153685440Now you're just baiting
>>153682552The sheer amount of seething this quote from a kid’s film has created gives me the giggles.
They're going to make a robot Ward Kimball, and it'll put Tom & Jerry to shame AND collect more model trains than the original guy ever could
>>153685440>>153685472
>>153682950You tell us. What is stopping you from learning how to draw instead of seething online? If you want to learn how to draw then learn how to draw; the fact you are adamantly opposed to learning & prefer seething says everything.
>>153683480It really boils down to this
>>153684276If you have to chase success then you don’t have it. A truly creative work is not made with worldly success in mind but simply encapsulates the essence of what is portrayed; it is like a sunset or a cool autumn breeze. The objects of true value are self-evident & don’t need to be strived for. If you strive then you lack & are attempting to create success through lack (which is paradoxical).
>>153682552it's cute and inspiring.
>>153682552What really irks me is that it is usually mediocre artists influencing this, the bigger ones just don't care that much on their own.Also corny ass way to be anti AI
>>153685235>it's completely motivated by self masturbatory narcissism and spite>"Just do better bro, I believe in you.">WHY ARE YOU VIRTUE SIGNALING YOU NARCISSIST YOU MORAL PIOUS PREACHY APOSTLE OF ANTI-AI JESUSImagine being this fragile and seething over such simple advice because you need AI as your personal ego's dildo. How did you function or get this far? Like if it's impossible for this type of mentally ill person not to chimp out in public over 'Have a nice day sir' than you shouldn't still be alive or made it to this point without a straight jacket.Absolute schizophrenia.
>>15368562775% of all the content created this year was AI generated are you happy now or are you still seething and coping about some random artists on Twitter that didn't take your art fetish or request. I guess when it's 90%, then you guys are totally be living in the future and be really happy then.
>>153684857Well that’s the thing.. you don’t. The end result of A.I. taking everyone’s job is that the whole country collapses & everyone turns to crime after the elites fly to their bunkers. By design nobody is supposed to benefit from it.
>>153683421>nooo direction brained retards like me are the real victims and everyone who points out my own shit behavior must be le other side!!!Dilate
>>153682552The irony of the whole A.I. art stuff is that absolutely none of the shills are advocating for using A.I. tools to teach people how to draw or paint better but instead immediately default to “well actually all human creativity is bad & we should just outsource artistic works to algorithms”. There is zero desire to use these tools to advance human capacity, which says everything you need to know.
>>153685705Meant for >>153683321
>>153684590>Big difference is that tech investors are the engine that moves almost every level of our society.That's not a good thing. Idiots having total control over the global economy is why things are as bad as they've been your entire life.>Artists are largely unemployed fucking noboodies that got a shit degree and no job placement for it.Irrelevant and really only exposes that you're a simple minded faggot who is obsessed with spiting people who don't even care that you exist.
>>153682552>remind me of Linuxtards, which expect you to be using the console 24/7.Are you you traveller from 90's?But even console faggotry is still better than durgasoft saardows
>>153685690Shut the fuck up. God, you stupid artfags need to just get over yourselves. Nobody is stealing your crappy art, so quit crying. Just embrace the future, dude, or you're going to be alone and poor while the rest of us have AI girlfriends working for us. The current chatbots are better than foids anyway.
>>153682552They didn't get followings by merit and passion but rather signaling the right things like leftist causes.So now that they have a following they spend their time social signaling and drawing mediocre fanart.
>>153685916Saar please invest into A.I. scam saar I am CEO saar very good saar bloody bitch bastard benchol saar
I tried.
>>153685916Aww, is street shitter mad nobody buys into his A.I. scam? Hahahah.
>>153685690>By design nobody is supposed to benefit from it.That's a lie. Prices are allowed to drop because paying humans is what inflates the cost of most products.A robot working for free means I can have any movie, video game or music I want without the blue hair people screaming at me.
>>153685938Gotta love how leftist retards think “altright forums” like 4chan just communicate by spamming racism.
>>153685949More than can be said for half the “people” itt.
>>153685959SAAR PLEASE BUY INTO A.I. SCAM SAAR I AM CEO SAAR VERY GOOD SAAR BLOODY BITCH BASTARD SAAR
>>153685982I'm making a longrunning series about AI characters you imbecile.
>>153685959>calling people leftists retards while screaming raycism
>>153685952So if nobody needs to pay humans for services nor labor then how do you expect to be paid? So, Bill Gates & Elon will benefit from this arrangement while you starve to death or turn to crime in an effort to not starve to death.
>>153685952You do realize that they are upping the price on tokens and they are determined to basically create a system where AI best models are kept for the people who can pay the most. I'm sorry to break your little heart but Elon musk is not going to give you a AI cat waifu girlfriend you're going to get screwed you're getting screwed now you just heard denial because you believe that you're part of the in group. Again unless you're a multi-billionaire invested in these companies you are just a smuck
>>153685998That's what these remarks objectively are. Right-wingers just think racism is good like by sticking with their kind.Again you're a retard
>>153685952>A robot working for free means I can have any movie, video game or music I wantThe movie will look like shit, there's a huge backlog of free games out there that already exist (also AI doesn't help; Roguelikes existed for decades) and games that cost <$20, and the music is indistinguishable from the top 40.Imagine bragging about having no standards.
>>153685995SAAR YOU ARE THE FUCKING I AM NOT THE FUCKING SAAR DESIGNATED SHITTING STREET SAAR SEND BOBS AND VAGINA SAAR SAAR
>>153685349I didn't say neural networks can't replace artists commercially, I simply said that a neural network simply doesn't understand what it's doing. A neural network can simulate art well enough to replace aspiring artists, but not well enough to match a human artist 100%, because it's physically incapable of doing so due to the logic of its operation.
>>153685648You anti-AI posters are acting 10 times more crazy than anyone in this thread. So it's ironic that in your rant you are saying I'm unhinged. You're trying to gaslight as if it's not blatantly obvious the self serving intentions of all these "feel good" anti-AI drawings are.My issue has nothing at all to do with these artists or any artist being anti-AI. As I'll state again as I have in other posts I am not pro-AI. My issue is these drawings are solely made to virtue signal. To show how morally superior the artist is within the AI discussion and how you automatically owe them your support and to kiss their self obsessed asses.
>>15368602910 BILLION IZZAT SAAR VERY GOOD SAAR BLOODY BITCH BASTARD SAAR
>>153686020A lot of jobs are created and maintained by nonrich people, they aren't going to ignore those markets.>>153686034>>153686046>pretends to be creative>can only scream the same thing over and over
>>153682755I don't understand this talent meme. Are talented artists physically holding you back preventing you from drawing and getting good? Are you aware that "talented" artists have simply put hours of time and effort into their craft? Why are you comparing yourself to people who actually put the work in and then be upset at the fact that your art will obviously not be at the same skill level?
>>153686017>So if nobody needs to pay humans for services nor labor then how do you expect to be paid? Plenty of AI Artists are getting paid for their work. Because they act like directors and take over the entire pipeline. Instead of outsourcing each task to individuals (the expensive part).>>153686020>You do realize that they are upping the price on tokens and they are determined to basically create a system where AI best models are kept for the people who can pay the most. Not a problem with open source AI and people running the technology on their home computers.
>>153686074You are completely full of shit.
AI already replaced indie cartoons and you people didn't even notice. The PNGtubers are using AI to generate hour long rants about Hazbin and TADC for their videos, and people are watching that instead of pilots.
>>153686080You are being replaced.
>>153686067SAAR I AM CEO OF MICROSOFT SAAR SAAR
>>153686093You wish.
>>153686067Again personally believe you'll benefit, you perceive that because you're able to generate rule 34 of your fetish. None of these companies are morally or personally obligated to you put anyone else to maintain the current status quo. You want to pretend you're part of the winning club, you are not you do not have the financial reserves you're not going to be a successful AI artist, at most you will make your stuff get a small following and then your stuff copied by some guy in India because it's already happened to a friend of mine he had a very nitch community and he was generating some pretty interesting stuff he had a patreon and he was not making a huge amount of money but enough for a Taco Bell order every week, he is now competing with multiple other people who ripped off his ideas.
>>153686029>Right-wingers just think racism is goodaka you whenever racism isn't being used to insult AIhttps://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/racism/username/lovecraft/https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/based/username/lovecraft/ (many of these are you calling people based for casual racism)
>>153686047>because it's physically incapable of doing so due to the logic of its operation.There is nothing special about the human brain that a computer can't just brute force it. Have you ever heard of the game of chess? Many deniers once claimed it was too hard for computers to master.Now robots can beat any human being at chess.The same will happen with art.
>>153686058>As I'll state again as I have in other posts I am not pro-AI.Not a single person here believes you. You're trying way too and spent the whole thread directionbrain-fagging. Kill yourself lying faggot.>My issue is these drawings are solely made to virtue signal. To show how morally superior the artist is within the AI discussion and how you automatically owe them your support The picture does not saying that. It says to just draw. In fact digging in deeper it's just a response to henryfagging nodraws.You keep wanting to say "guys I'm totally not some pro-AI shill" but your projecting this specific offended narrative at being told to draw. Fuck off shitter.
This is yet another schizo public vent thread. The culture war nonsense over AI is just cover for OP to rant about destroying his perceived enemies on social media in a grandiose way.
>>153686093[rcv]I pity the unliving who cannot yet realize such a continuous truth withing all supplicant matter.[/rcv]
>>153686074How can you not see that your two points are at odds with each other?
>>153682726Shhh don't tell them.
>>153686123Chess is a solved game. Art isn't solved.
>>153682726You should see the replies whenever someone makes a "bring back traditional animation" thread
>>153686154Where? Look at my chart again >>153685952 to understand what makes animation so expensive.Lots of money is dumped on having dedicated voice actors, writers, and then the actual art.If you got rid of all these people but still kept the Director in charge, then that's a job that people will still pay money and do business with.
>>153685887>no uConcession accepted
>>153686126I'm being pretty straightforward with my position. I'm not pro-AI. People who virtue signal about AI are in general narcissist attention whores who think they're entitled to your support cause they are anti-AI. It's the same mentality of supporting all indie cartoons because you owe them as a way of sticking it to the entertainment industry. Same virtue signally cringe.If you want to speculate about me you can, you're more wrong that you're aware.>inb4 no one believes you, you're still an AI shill even when you say you're notAnd you called me crazy.
>>153685952Did you post Monkey Wrench because the "blue hair people" are behind that too?
>>153686188>then that's a job that people will still pay money and do business with.Except not for long because of, in your own words, "open source AI and people running the technology on their home computers."Which is it, that the markets will shift roles or the barrier for entry will be lowered to the point of non-existence?
>>153686160Keep coping
>>153686206>>The picture does not saying that. It says to just draw. In fact digging in deeper it's just a response to henryfagging nodraws.>>You keep wanting to say "guys I'm totally not some pro-AI shill" but your projecting this specific offended narrative at being told to drawAddress this point AIfag.
>>153686179>Chess is a solved game. Art isn't solved.It totally is.We know what bad cartoons look like. We know what good ones look like. The good ones only cost millions of dollars right now because it's gatekept by expensive animators, actors, writers etc.When AI produces far better results on average you're out of a job. Just like a robot has to produce better chess moves on average and wins the game.
>>153686188You're just a little parrot, that chart is from monkey wrench, you could remove all the expenses and it still would suck because it's a second show that has nothing to do with the animation or go down the list. The actual directors incompetent your whole argument is the background people stage props and VR team are the ones making the movie and have control of the creative decisions that shows you never even had an interaction in any of the entertainment industries you continuously below. You just talking about culture war and then pretend that the absolutely nobody who job is to make Captain America shield fly through the air is the one writing the dialogue and choosing the director.
>>153686196Are these "artists" in the room with us now?
>>153686209AI is the tool. Just like everyone has access to the internet and cellphones right now, but the most creative ones make money from cellphone apps or websites. Opensource AI doesn't change that. Again, the barrier entry gets lower but the cream of the crop will get paid.
AI is going to replace all of these people
>>153686219>We know what bad cartoons look like. We know what good ones look like.Do we "know?"Which looks the best: Adventure Time, Samurai Jack, Spongebob, Avatar or Swat Katz?
>>153682663This is a joke right? Or are you that stupid? Even making AI look good takes skill you know.
>>153686222>you could remove all the expenses and it still would suck because it's a second show that has nothing to do with the animation or go down the list.You proved my point. The future of animation is still in the hands of talented Directors. The Director who uses AI will save money while being the most creative person with it.
>>153686254Tell me, are we currently living in a world where the most talented and creative artists are actually the ones being the most rewarded?
>>153686196Let's go through a quick look who is using AI right now oh Activision, you sure do love those slop games I guess. And you are defeating those evil artists who refused your commission like you even have money, the biggest supporters of AI are actually the studios and industries that want to lower the cost of production. And let me explain that to you Luddite that means they want to get rid of all the little people who make the movie not the people who make the creative decisions. You cannot for some reason differentiate the two groups, the animator animates what they're told to animate they have no creative control if it's a giant woke piece of crap that is the directors and the writers guess who is going to be still around. There's a reason why the writer Union has so much power, if you knew anything you would know Disney did a whole research on why marvel movies / Disney products are failing and you know what they came to the conclusion of they cost too much. Not that they were hiring bad for actors and that the writers were woke no it just cost too much to produce so yeah celebrate getting rid of all those little people you're still have the big people in charge and you're not one of them
>>153686254But the point of AI, at least according to your shilling, is that anyone can run it out of their own computer and eventually get something, and since you fags admitted that you don't care about quality, just output, how does that necessitate a "cream of the crop" prompter?
>>153686281what do you think?
>>153684602>when you start learning to draw, you do it only because you want to draw just like some amazing artist whose work you really likepretty sure that's just you lil bro
>>153686254So in other words, everyone who owns a company will outsource everything to A.I. and nobody will have jobs. As an end result of this there will be mass crime.
>>153686217That's not a five year plus old drawing made when AI wasn't a thing. It was made as a direct reaction to AI and it's one of many fake motivation drawings as a way for the artist to self masturbate themselves about how virtuous they are for being anti-AIThat's where you're gaslighting, saying it's not that deep and it's not working. It's also not that deep or serious regardless, it's just a douche being an attention whore and me pointing that out seems to enrage certain people in this thread.
>>15368628575% of all internet content is AI generated, 51% of all traffic is bots. Are you still going to pretend the trends are going in your favor and that you're going to get all these wonderful artists and directors using AI to create a new Renaissance like you've been saying for the last God damn 3 years. Surely when we hit 99% AI generation on the internet then everything's going to be good
>>153686291Yes, vivziepop and gooseworx are the best we have. That is how far we have fallen as a society.
>>153686307why do they look like Itchy and Scratchy in Porch Pals?
>>153686210Coping about what? You're the one that has been made optional by new technology.
>>153686276>Which looks the best: Adventure Time, Samurai Jack, Spongebob, Avatar or Swat Katz?This is very easy. Go look at the list of awards, TV ratings and milestones that every cartoon is applicable for.See a pattern? All AI has to do is crack that. Once AI gets the most Oscar awards or 10/10 reviews, then it's proof that it can do better quality entertainment than just humans.
>>153686353What's stopping you for making that AI masterpiece again? Those evil artists on Twitter, a conspiracy space aliens?
>>153684272why do you think they make you do calculations without these in elementary
>>153686341So there aren't any other indie productions that are more deserving than the "blue hair people" shows that the mainstream industry makes? Are you admitting that you believe Disney films are always good as long as they continue being among the most successful films of each year?
>>153686196It’s interesting that, despite AI’s technical superiority, Wojaks memes often feel more legitimate than AI-generated versions of the same kind of image making the same argument, even to the pro AI side. This image alone gas shared more often than any other AI-generated pro AI image. In a strange irony, some of the most iconic and often used pro-AI images are still hand-crafted.
>>153682663proof that good taste comes from wrinkling your brain
>>153683735>the ability to intuitively understand how to simplify forms, see contours, and place linesThat's not "intuitive". You learn that. Maybe spend less time shitposting and more time analysing art or even playing fucking Mario 64 if you wanna git good at spacial recognition.
>>153686307>Yellow armSeems like bait
>>153686302>and since you fags admitted that you don't care about quality, just output, how does that necessitate a "cream of the crop" prompter?Because AI Directors can discover a new idea that no one else thought of or made popular.Again, the internet analogy works here. There are tons of websites where you can do online shopping, yet why does Amazon still beat them all? Innovation nigga. Innovation...
>>153686398so kids don't write 58008
>>153686319>It was made as a direct reaction to AIThat's a blatant lie; you're welcome to prove otherwise.Reading between the lines is just you going "I'm offended at being told to draw because I feel like being told to art is an anti-AI sentiment." Why would you conclude that if you weren't already familiar with AI?
>>153686353>Go look at the list of awards, TV ratings and milestones that every cartoon is applicable forOkay but does Swat Katz look better than Adventure Time?
>>153686353Basing your artistic process off of copying pre-existing popular things to maximize audience appeal is how you end up producing soulless crap.
>>153686448Why is everything you're talking about in the future? Most everything is AI swap have you been to YouTube recently, it's almost like talking to a brick wall you just repeat the same mantra of the future and yet you don't look at the current state of the world. You seem to want everything to be AI generated and at that point that is when your dream project comes to fruition right, you can't do anything until AI becomes some nebulous point good enough we don't know what that actually means but once it becomes good enough then you'll make your masterpiece then you'll be the next Spielberg and everyone will love you right that's the story we're going with. No because you lazy bums what artist to use AI to make the content you want let's be frank here you guys do not make the stuff you constantly grown on about how one of these days, you browbeat and hate artists and talk about how they're luddites and terrible people and I've heard it all before and you celebrate them being replaced but at the same time you scream at them to use AI to make the content you want to see why don't you just make the damn content
>>153685235You're the one actively choosing to view it that way. There is literally nothing that shows any bad intention in the OP pic. You're constructing your own boogeyman and getting mad at it.
>>153683151lol
>>153686448>Because AI Directors can discover a new idea that no one else thought of or made popular.That's not how AI works and you dodged the question.There's nothing innovative about prompting either.
>>153686312Not him but he described me exactly. Some drawfags' work clicks with me and I want to draw just like them. They are low level drawfags but they are well beyond my abilities.
>>153686524>Okay but does Swat Katz look better than Adventure Time?Yes, as long you can define the constraint.No one claims Adventure Time is the most photorealistic cartoon, nor did it win any technical awards trying to do such.The opposite is true for a Pixar movie. They pride themselves in making realistic animation and receiving accolades for it.
>>153686276AT>t. Adventure Time fan
>>153686559>PicPoV: You're 12 and playing KH2 for the first time
>>153682663They hated him because he told them the truth
>>153686196>"no I refuse to take your money for my art"said basically no artist ever
>>153686559The irony of that is extraordinary, that whole platform collapsed as soon as they started freaking out about the copyright holders. As soon as you could not generate copyrighted material the whole platform collapsed. It turns out AI people for all their talk of wanting to be creative just want to play with other people's ideas and IPS. They want to read their version of Lord of the rings recreate it through AI with their persona as the main character. That's why they have such a jealous boner for artists because at the end of the day an artist can make something even if it's a macaroni sculpture. They get so hung up on the way things look that they don't even pursue anything.
>>153686501I'm offended at being told to draw by self obsessed art douchebags like I'm some sort of retard, yes. Whether or not that particular drawing posted in the OP has anything to do in relation to AI still does not change the fact that many artists on twitter virtue signal about being anti-AI and act morally superior about it and expect you to acknowledge them and support them as some sort of moral obligation to fight AI and I find it cringy.
>>153686588>as long you can define the constraint.What "constraint?" I'm asking you which looks better. Quit twisting your brain into a pretzel and answer the question.
>>153686568>There's nothing innovative about prompting either.There are several AI videos that would be impossible to do by human hand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0ldxCh3cnIIf you tried to copy that traditionally, it would have taken months or years to get the same result.
>>153686626You didn't get the memo did you, AI will fix all problems, if you're on the left it will create a utopian communist society if you're on the right it will defeat all the evil woke transgenders. If you're in Indian you can scam an old lady better .
>>153686642"Like" some sort of retard?
>>153686584Well bad news you're not gonna draw just like them because you'll develop your own style probably and that's not a bad thing. Now stop comparing yourself to others and get to work.
At the heart of every AI bro is a bitter artist who was not good enough and gave up.
>>153686670I'm glad you've calmed down finally.
>>153686450grok is this real?
>>153686636I want fanarts that I can't draw and artists won't draw. It's not playing with other people's IPs and ideas.
>>153686647I just gave you the constraint dumbfuck.Swat Kats achieves or looks more realistic than Adventure Time. Adventure Time looks more simplified or minimal than Swat Kats.You can't be this autistic. Can you?
One of the key takeaways from ai is that there are a bunch who tried to be artists and blame anything other than themselves for failing and thus see it as revenge.
>>153682663Ruined the whole pose of the fat fuck figure, and why is even the lettering worse
>>153686642>Whether or not that particular drawing posted in the OP has anything to do in relation to AI still does not change the fact thatSo you're openly admitting that the OP pic isn't targeted at you, but you're going out of your way to get offended by it, likening it to something you personally have seen against you several times.Don't you see how bad that looks when you try to kvetch about (supposedly) not being an AIfag?If you just left this at the fpbp, then I'd get it, but you aren't. You're unironically projecting insecurities onto the OP.
>>153686701The fact that blender has all those models free of those characters and you could do whatever you want with them hell there's pornographic ones you can get free. You're just allergic to learning something so you want a trillion dollar corporation to do it for you and right now they're letting you get away with it but this Sora should have been a wake-up call for you guys but it's not like everything else you see the world in a black and white. At no point in the future can you see AI being used in a negative way against you, you can only see the positive make believe world that you've created in your head through massive propaganda from corporations that are selling you a vision.
>>153686690>Be Hitler in 1936>Try to draw>Fail>"Schrew zis. I vill do someshing elsche.">Go into politics>WWII happens>Be Hitler in 2026>Try to draw>Fail>Fire up AI>Generate porn>Coom>Lose energy and motivation>Nap>Never go into politics>WWIII doesn't happenThe technology of peace!
>>153686652Which is it, that AI can do the impossible, or that it just speeds things up?
>>153686763Impossible for non-AI tools.
>>153686756bread and the amazing digital circus, oh my
>>153686704>I just gave you the constraint dumbfuckI didn't ask for your "constraint." I asked for an objective answer.Let me redefine my question: does realism objectively look better than simplicity?
>>153686782But you just said it could take years.
>>153686679>Well bad news you're not gonna draw just like them because you'll develop your own style probably and that's not a bad thingI've figured this will happen, yeah. It's just that in addition to my many shortcomings I have a personal autism where I set out to achieve something. If the end result doesn't achieve what I wanted then I rage at myself and I despair. It doesn't matter if I show progress or if I accidentally create a good end result if it isn't what I wanted to make.
>>153686756Seethe >>153686779Good
>>153686877A human could swim across the ocean yet only 3 people ever did it. If 99% of humanity can't do it then it's easier to say it's "impossible".
>>153686840There is no objective answer in either comparison.Realism and Simplicity are two different ideas. They don't actually crosspaths.
>>153686972I get it you want to bait you think it's a big joke okay just don't come crying to me when some AI model that your insurance company uses denies your claim or your parents claim and it costs more to do things. You support AI companies taking whatever data they want including your own personal data . Hopefully no one including yourself you know will have a medical procedure denied because some AI randomly hallucinates that you can actually be cured using the power of apples. It's all fun and games of troll on the internet make people mad but just be aware that you are supporting an industry that has power over your life and you may not be aware of it
>>153686993Okay, but swimming across the ocean is a process, and according to you an AI "director" (prompter) can innovate through their own "process" despite AI existing only to sidestep the process and get to the destination, in a way in which a human could always hypothetically do if given enough time. So there's nothing about the process of prompting that sets out one prompter from another. So there's no "cream of the crop" rising because there's nothing unique.Now, do you see the problem with your cope?
>>153686744AI art doesn't concern me or compete with me. I have no change in course regardless on how advanced AI art becomes because I'm not a sky is falling freak about it and would draw anyway. You anti-AI posters are the ones with the issues. Freaking out when people aren't as militantly anti-AI as you are. Causing you to make all these ridiculous speculations and getting overly serious about it like in this thread. Most people are anti-AI, whether it's AI art or something of actual concern like AI used in receptionist offices (something 10000000000000 more concerning than AI art existing) you know, adult stuff and not children's cartoons for manchildren autismos..
>>153687032>There is no objective answer in either comparisonCorrect.In Chess, mathematically there are only so many possible games, and thus only so many possible outcomes, with a clear set of given endstates. It's possible then to make a logic tree that will steer games towards the computing side winning, which a hypothetical human player can exploit by diverting. In this case, the number of set possibilities mean that Chess can be a solved logic puzzle from the computing side, since hypothetically it's possible to create an algorithm that will always lead to a winning endstate.You cannot do this with art for the reason you just gave: art cannot be "solved" because the goal of it is human expression, and to that end there must be some secondary or tertiary actual quantifiable criteria. A show cannot "look better" than another if their art directions are aiming for different goal. AI cartooning thus will always run into a problem in relation to other cartoons in that there's no goal in mind for this direction, so instead it will always try to imitate what exists.This is a fundamental engineering problem that an algorithm cannot "brute force" like you said in >>153686123 because it's a fundamental question of abstraction.
>>153687080Well, yeah, we know it doesn't compete with you because you use it, faggot.Also it's hypocritical, retarded, and, if I can be frank, fucking tiring that you want to constantly go "guys don't strawman me I'm actually a special snowflake" and the repeatedly go back on "wa wa wa you all just hate AI because you're poor shit artists that are worried AI is going to replace you." Grow some self-awareness you retarded subhuman.This board isn't your therapy council. Fuck off with your insecure projections.
>>153687324You guys make the most ironic statements as insults or retorts, It's like talking to a brick wall. You just keep saying the same thing over and over. Whatever, threads over, it'll archive, then get reposted 10 more times, same discussion over and over. Dead imageboard, lame posters. You suck, scream cry about it or don't you're awful conversation regardless waah waah now you say I'm crying yup I'm seething no you're seething uh huh.Alright, GG.
>>153682590ThisAifags do worse than OP's image too
>>153687465>AIfag complaining about unoriginality flooding somewhereThe FUCKING irony.
>>153687607Seriously. I've been in the various ai threads across multiple boards right here on 4chan, and for so called freethinkers and democratizers of art, these people sure love ritualistically "creating" the same shit over and over with minor differences.
Wojaks and pepes are like a funny precursor to the reality of AI stripping away art as one of our human freedoms.
>>153687689You're still free to make as much art as you want in any way you want.You just won't be able to make enough money out of it to avoid real productive work anymore.Art will become your hobby, not your main source of income.
>>153687649Maybe if you dumb faggots stopped using the same few arguments you'd get more than the same handful of reaponses. And I know for a fact (your) dumb ass has been avoiding tailor-made responses in order to push your own dumbfuckery all thread, doubling triplijg and quadrupling down on "b-b-but muh twitter artists and also you guys only hate ai art because you is scared!" strawman while blatantly ignoring what people were saying to you.You're a slimy hypocritical asswipe that's simping for multi-billion dollar corporations that in no uncertain terms do not care about you, just to shit on imaginary people or random Literally Whos on Twitter, while polluting every section 230 space with your slop. You are an actual NPC.Fuck off and kill yourself.
>>153687884daddy chill
>>153685949Kino
>>153682552I've been trying to learn to draw for years and my art hasn't improved. So shit like this pisses me off.
>>153687242I debunked this already. See this post again:>>153686353Why doesn't Johnny Test ever show up at the Oscars? Or the nutshack?Do you think it's a conspiracy or do you deny that bad cartoons can actually exist? There absolutely is a puzzle or logic that can be followed. Bad animation, bad writing, all those thingsget criticized and rated down by millions of people. The good cartoons or good movies still tend to followa pattern or logic tree that represents "better" quality. That is what AI is now in the process of cracking,just like it had to think and create new moves against even the best human chess players who were justas unique and special.
You gotta crank the dpi up and the sensitivity down and only draw in early flash because the smoothing algo makes everything look good regardless
>>153687069>So there's nothing about the process of prompting that sets out one prompter from another.What the hell are you talking about?Different AI Artists have their own style. Or they pursue certain ideas and challenges in a way the other 99% didn't bother to try.Again, just because you give someone a tool doesn't mean they're always going to innovate with it.They could absolutely take free ai and just prompt generic things with it. Whereas other AI Directors will take the tool and write stories that you can't imitate on the first prompt.
What is up with this /ic/-like thread doing here? I've noticed a slight uptake on these types of posts leaking to /co/ recently.Anyway, just draw what you like and run on that dopamine to focus on the fundies to improve. Rinse and repeat.
>>153682552>>153682663Never have I seen a finer example of soul vs soulless in my life
>>153688159You didn't debunk shit, retard. You tried to dodge the question and go "muh awards," but that doesn't even answer what I initially asked. It's also a point that's addressed and defeated because of this point:>>to that end [expression] there must be some secondary or tertiary actual quantifiable criteriaYou can calculate a chess algorithm to be more likely to produce a win if not always. You categorically cannot do this for awards because those do not go off of objective criteria.>Do you think it's a conspiracy or do you deny that bad cartoons can actually exist?Do you think this is a good argument?(You) can't define what a bad cartoon is. (You) are hoping for a scub response. You genuinely have no valid response though if someone says that either Johnny Test or Nutshack is their favorite show other than to point at modern consensus, which an AI cannot replicate because this is just human judgment.>The good cartoons or good movies still tend to followa pattern or logic tree that represents "better" quality.No they don't. You can't take something like Swat Katz and put it side-by-side with early Adventure Time and make an objective comparison about which one is "better." For how vastly different their styles and goals are, you might as well be comparing them to a book or video game.Are you literally a jeet with a double digit IQ? This concept is not hard for anyone to grasp.Let's ask the question in reverse: is The Room a bad movie?>(Chess analogy)How much glue did you eat before making your post? AI can't "create" new moves. It can't force a knight to go in a straight line or let a queen hop over pieces without breaking the game and failing its task. Chess AIs can only ever perform a finite amount of moves because there a finite combinations that chess pieces can be arranged in.You seriously have zero idea what you are talking about and this board, and the planet, would be better if you smashed your fingers with a hammer.
>>153688270>Never have I seen a finer example of soul vs soulless in my lifeHow rich. Just yesterday it was the antis who thought a real painter was soulless. You chucklefucks look more dumber by the day.
>>153688358*inhales*Ok, it's go time. >You can calculate a chess algorithm to be more likely to produce a win if not always. You categorically cannot do this for awards because those do not go off of objective criteria.There is 100% an objective criteria for "most photorealistic movie" or even "most realistic VFX".Even Grandma can look at Avatar 3 and instantly say "yeah, that shit looks real" because the visuals match real life from the lighting, to the textures to even the physics used for water simulations.And yes, those things did use math or an algorithm. Pixar is even generous and publishes their research and whitepapers all the time. I already posted some of them here.>You genuinely have no valid response though if someone says that either Johnny Test or Nutshack is their favorite show other than to point at modern consensus, Uh yes I do. Thousands of people have watched Johnny Test and left their reviews/comments. On average, JT scored 5.5/10 meaning that it is mediocre or even bad to most people we can sample from.Now repeat the same experiment with a show like Spongebob Squarepants. Do millions of people rate Sponge as 1/10 or does he score closer to 10/10?> You can't take something like Swat Katz and put it side-by-side with early Adventure Time and make an objective comparison about which one is "better."Because you intentionally keep leaving out the "constraints" I just told you form the start.If you're comparing the story, there absolutely is an objective measurement. Do Swat Kat episodes get more 10/10 reviews per episode or does Adventure Time?If it's Swat Kats then it DOES have better writing. But if Adventure Time has better episode reviews than AT has better writing. You mention different styles but that only applies to ONE aspect of both cartoons. Swat Kats is intentionally more realistic. So it's pointless to try and score it on "who has the better minimalism" when Swat Kats doesn't use that style. Vice versa is true for AT.
Part 2 because I'm too based for 4chan>>153688358>Let's ask the question in reverse: is The Room a bad movie?Yes. Plenty of reviews and critical reception says it either sucks or it's not in the running for best film out there. > AI can't "create" new movesHere's a fact that will blow your mind: most chess games have never been repeated. That means, yes, when AI competes against a human, they're both going at it fresh. Yet the AI still manages to outthink or be creative in a way the human never saw coming...>You seriously have zero idea what you are talking about and this board, and the planet, would be better if you smashed your fingers with a hammer.You go first, comrade.
>>153682552Po wouldn't say that
>>153688656Faggot, you will never be based
>>153688691It speaks for itself. AI chads are winning globally for how based we are.
>>153688664He literally says that in the movie.
>>153688565>There is 100% an objective criteria for "most photorealistic movie"Okay.Is the point of all cartoons, or visual media for that matter, to be photorealistic?Is this the only thing the Oscars look for?No?Okay, next point.>Thousands of people have watched Johnny Test and left their reviews/comments>>You genuinely have no valid response (...) other than to point at modern consensusSwing-and-a-miss on that one since you didn't address the followthrough I presented.>Do millions of people rate Sponge as 1/10 or does he score closer to 10/10?Subtle concession of your argument on your part by admitting that opinions can vary.In Chess, there is no variation in the output that accounts for subjectivity. You either win, lose, or draw. The moves made don't change change the output if you change the culture or timeframe surrounding them. The output is entirely deterministic of the actions you take in an entirely predictable and mappable way. Having the same game follow the same plays will always lead to the same result. Meanwhile two people can look at Spongebob and be completely valid in differing opinions, or the same person can have their opinion of the show change over time even if the subject remains unchanging. You're also ignoring the elephant in the room that shows that are seen as too derivative of Spongebob are criticized for being such.I think a large part of this discussion comes down to you literally not knowing the difference between "objectivity" and "subjectivity."Again, is The Room a good movie?>Because you intentionally keep leaving out the "constraints" I just told you form the start.I didn't ask for your "constraints." I asked you a simple question that, for all intents and purposes, you never answered.>Vice versa is true for AT.Gee, retard, it's as if you can't compare art to a solved formulaic logic tree because fundamentally there's no set criteria for what makes it better than another piece in the same medium. Dooooy.
>>153687884holy based
>>153688656>Yes. Plenty of reviews and critical reception says it either sucks or it's not in the runningDid you have a paint-huffing moment or just forget what you were trying to argue? The fact that there's no consensus on The Room should be enough to show you that there's no definable answer for what makes something a good piece of media. By all accounts The Room is a terrible movie, one of the worst made, but a sizable amount of people love it.This type of reaction is not something that you cannot quantify. You cannot say "well doing (x) and (y) will make this film 46% more likely to succeed with ironic film enjoyers. For fuck's sake, your own screenshow is so fucking close to showing a complete disagreement between critics and filmgoers.>most chess games have never been repeatedThat is a bold claim that you cannot back up.>they're both going at it freshI actually have my face in my hands you are so stupid.No, you retard. Categorically this is untrue because you cannot create a chess algorithm without having it understand Chess and being able to formulate those logic trees. You don't know the basics of AI, and I don't mean generative programs, I mean AI as a CONCEPT. Do you seriously think if you go, right now, and make a chess program in, I don't know, Notepad, that it's going to not need any kind of intervention? The only way you get this kind of neutral learning is when you give it some kind of explicit reward system towards some kind of quantifiable behavior, which is what. I. have. been. saying it can do in Chess because Chess is a game with clear definable, quantifiable win states, unlike entertainment.StopBeing.Retarded.And.Kill yourself.
>>153688724>Actually it's a good thing that I'm spewing garbage!>Huh? Why is everything derivative crap?
>>153688899>Is the point of all cartoons, or visual media for that matter, to be photorealistic?Only for the ones that do want that crown. If Dreamworks or Disney ever wanted, they could fire everyone and go back to making simplistic 2D films again.But guess why they don't? Turns out they make more money with CGI, and millions of their fans would rather support them on it...>Swing-and-a-miss on that one since you didn't address the followthrough I presented.A modern census is the only way to pull a fact. Otherwise, we would all have opinions which is not scientific.But if most people agree that Johnny Test or Nutshack sucks ass, there aren't much counter arguments as to WHY they must be good. >The moves made don't change change the output if you change the culture or timeframe surrounding them. There are cartoons and movies from nearly a century ago that stood the test of time. Big Chungus is one of them. So no, your "different culture" doesn't stop it. Again, there are good and bad cartoons that will always exist. >Again, is The Room a good movie?It sucks. >I didn't ask for your "constraints." I asked you a simple question that, for all intents and purposes, you never answered.Because it makes as much sense as saying "which glass of water tastes better"? That's a generic question with nothing to compare. We know what criteria makes a cartoon good or bad, so we use those benchmarks instead.>Gee, retard, it's as if you can't compare art to a solved formulaic logic tree because fundamentally there's no set criteria for what makes it better than another piece in the same medium. Dooooy.There is a criteria for good writing. There is a criteria for good voice acting. If you watched a cartoon and every character sounded like they spoke through toilet paper, then who would rate that as good audio? It wont. But if a cartoon has voices and sounds that are crisp to the ear? People would absolutely rate that as being superior.
Ok but what if I actually made something by hand and middle-aged retards mistake it for AI like they always do?Total Millennial Death.
>>153682552Why is a viciously amoral company always acting like they're the best or flawless because they say they hate ai? Meanwhile the ceo follows ai accounts.
>>153682552Artist have always shit on eachother forever.Oil paint fags have always mock acrilic and watercolor fags.Traditional painters have always mocked oil pastel fags, color pencil fags, sketch and illustration fags.Abstract fags and realism fags have always mock eachother.Illustration fags have always mocked comic and manga fags, hell comic and manga fags mock eachother.Traditional medium fags have always mocked digital fags.Digital fags mock eachother for using references, digital tools to make the job easier, references and 3d models to make poses.Aifags deserve to be mocked by all of them though, atleast they made their own slop, i remember back in early 2010 digitalfags started popping off on twitter and they would complain about how traditional artist thought digital means they only pressed a button but now that is a reality.
>>153682663niggas still falling for obvious ragebait
>>153689070>I. have. been. saying it can do in Chess because Chess is a game with clear definable, quantifiable win states, unlike entertainment.The win state is Capitalism. Ironically, people on this board bitch about the state of cartoons but when you want a product that-looks good-sounds good-has impressive writing then those results were never going to come cheap. When all the big animation companies are now switching to AI, they are playing chess and using their Queen to win the game.They'll finally make cartoons that maintain both high quality and saving lots of money too.Cry all you want but that's the future.
>>153682552Sovl.>>153682663Soulless.
>>153689450>high quality >ai slopAhahahahahahahahahahahaNice one, anon.
>>153682552Its fun and makes insufferable people like you mad as hell
>>153684051Be proud of creating something nice with your own two hands
>>153686196>Implying aifags have moneyLmao
>>153689472Dude, AI can make better high quality faster than most senior animators can turn on their computer and start working.A new cartoon just came out 1 hour ago and I already made a 3D version of it before Glitch did. >>153688965There is no way the original 2D looks better than the Pixar-esque image. Now extend this logic to the bigger studios who have more money to pump into AI? Most people wont even know what is robot made vs hand made in the future.
Being able to do something with your own hands and improving at it its something that ai can't give you, after your ai is done generating your image you're still the same souless hack that you were before the image.
>>153689541No one cares.
>>153689450You guys are always the most angry frustrated people on the planet because once in your life you can actually make something only to find out that everyone else is making something and you're now competing with every other slopper. That's why you rage at artists jump up and down and scream about future and anything else because you're not competing with an artist you're competing with every single slopper from India entire companies that produce thousands and thousands of videos, images, text then spew them. They try to catch the algorithm that's why they make the same video thousands of times and you guys are competing with them and you hate it because no matter how many times you prompt no matter how much you feed into a model you're stuck competing with giant Indian slop companies. Even if you get a hit from some idea you came up with you're going to see it get buried by everyone else who's going to copy it and that's the Doom of the slopper you're competing with your brothers and your sisters in a giant swamp of slop.
>>153689592Weird flex. Do you wash your clothes by hand because the washing machine does it better in the first try? Are we all soulless hacks for having cleaner clothes?
>>153689610You cared enough to comment. Btw here's her butt thanks to ai.
>>153689278>Only for the ones that do want that crown.Gee golly wee, we have an Einstein over here.Figuring out that cartoons that want to be realistic try to be realistic.So in other words your entire point in >>153688565 was just a red herring.>>153689278>and millions of their fans would rather support them on [CGI]...For the sake of what little patience I have left, I'm ignoring this talking point other than pointing out it's disingenuous corpo excuses.>A modern census is the only way to pull a fact. Otherwise, we would all have opinions which is not scientific.It is actually incredible how you can say something so stupid so shamelessly.There is no scientific method for determining if a cartoon is better than another you dumb fucking toad.>there aren't much counter arguments as to WHY they must be good.For someone who likes it, a self-evident "I like it" is all that's needed, because you can't disprove that. Who are (you) to say that someone is wrong about something? Aren't the masses sometimes wrong about media as well? Is the Star Wars sequel trilogy good despite TFA being a doll on release?>Big Chungus is one of them.Of course the retarded-ass AIfag references a fucking meme.Let me give an actual example. The Dover Boys. It was made to deliberately be bad because the creators wanted to spite some mandates. Despite being "bad" it turned into one of the most influential cartoons in history by inventing the modern smear frame. And, (you)'ll love this r/dogecoin migrant, it even spawned a meme!>So no, your "different culture" doesn't stopRight. That's why Americans "love" good North Korean cartoons like Squirrel and Hedgehog. Shut up, retard.>It sucksWell that's your opinion and one that a lot of people disagree with.>That's a generic question with nothing to compare.Congrats, you're accidentally coming close to realizing why say "it's like chess we can figure it out" is retarded!
>>153689679What the hell is wrong with her hands , but anyway it must be so sad that you have to actually come to an anonymous board put another person's art into a generator to try to get some dopamine attention. Even the most pathetic lousiest artist would never go out there and desperately spam obviously that's what Indians do
>>153689450>they are playing chess and using their Queen to win the game.They're not. They're moving all of their pawns and hoping one makes it.I don't know which case is sadder: you promoting this or thinking of it yourself.
>>153689646I know this will be too much for your jeet mind to comprehend butChores=/=art
>>153689541Once again, the slopfag's only response is "look at this overrenderred porn."Those poor hands.
>>153689541It looks ugly, dude. High quality my ass.
>>153689711>Indians! Indians! Indians!AI is White technology. And Glitch posted their cartoon on the internet for all to see. If they didn't want edits, then don't release it.
>>153689646>Dude if you don't like slop you must be a literal caveman! There's no middle groundWhy are AIbros constantly making retarded arguments?
>>153689752Art is a chore.
>>153689679>Btw here's her butt thanks to ai.Are you 12?
>>153689790>AI is White technology.https://www.forbesindia.com/lists/ai-list-2025lol
>>153689790You are a very little man who thinks you have power, that's all you are. You spent your whole life bitter about other people and now you think that you're showing up those woke artists. All you're doing is just jumping up and down screaming in the corner
>>153689841I'm straight.
>>153686972Based>>153682590>>153685048>>153685048Pencilsop needs to knocked down a peg. instead>>153687565Not really>>153687044lol didn't read, pincilsop are nuisances.
>resorting to mass replying with "n-no you"Hello saar
>>153682681Nice arrest, slurper.
>>153689870Is Elon Musk Indian to you? All the robots are being made in White countries.
>>153682851Nice denialism
This thread sucks and so do luddites, but I made this drawing today.It's kinda shit and IDK how to go from lineart to a more completed piece.>>153689816Because people that feel strongly about such a nothingburger are retarded. Including you.
>>153689983He's a sperg from Africa that wants to import millions of jeets like >>153690009, so... bad example on your part.
>>153682867Eeyup
>>153690009I just reread a lot of this thread and every single reply is use AI, do you guys honestly think we are Hollywood producers. I know it's hard for your Indian brain to understand that people might just be into a hobby without getting paid but this kind of desperate marketing campaign. Do you really think anyone on here is an artist are you that dumb what am I saying of course you do. And I did not check the AI news today I bet you something bad happened that's why we're getting these kinds of threads again
>>153682952>>153683029And because you're worthless and can't handle the truth.
>>153683379you first /vt/ourist
>>153690064So how can millions of robots and Indians both exist? Only robots can survive.
>>153682638As someone that's pretty good at drawing and has put in a lot of the time; the statement is pretty loaded and dishonest though.There is a talent element to drawing, and not everyone has it. Of those that do, some have a lot more of it and progress a lot quicker as a result. It's going to be easy for those types of people to say 'just pick up a pencil' to others.Most people can't dedicate most of their time to drawing. Drawing well involves a considerable time investment, it's hard to commit to unless you can reasonably build your life around it.People often discount the impact of connections and resources on an artists' skill level. A lot of people don't have access to either; even if they drew for thousands of hours, with poor instruction their ceiling is going to be limited.
>>153684197Arrest
>>153682552I really doubt even 1% of pencil sloppers use actual pencils instead of digital tools.
>>153685185Of course you are, son of dissapoint.
>>153682552His left eye is a lot bigger than his right one, but other than that this pic is fine
>>153686196>wojakpostingConfession denied
>>153690169Send some of the blood from your penis to your brain so you can make posts that make sense.
>>153690169they cxan't survive the acid rain & solar storm
>>153690193
>>153690422the almighty of stab a stake in your head
I tried to learn how to draw, spent a couple of years on it. I hit a roadblock and I was no longer improving, and I wasn't happy with the level I was at so I gave it up.
i (a human) drew a skitty from memory without calculating the next pixel that probability indicates will contribute to an output that properly aligns with the direction of the token set [50, 195537] that appears associated with several image abstractions in my databankstherefore, i did not portray the skitty with full accuracycan you say the same, AItard?
>>153686210Keep arresting
>>153687044There is no causal link between generating images using a diffusion process and insurance companies using machine learning. Why are pencilsloppers incapable of logical reasoning?
This is what glitch's next pilot will be
>>153686972pencilsop btfoKEKYPOW
>Keep arresting>There is no causal link between generating images using a diffusion process and insurance companies using machine learning. Why are pencilsloppers incapable of logical reasoning?
>>153689592Tinkering with hyperparameters is fun! Most pencilsloppers if they're honest admit they hate the parts of pencilslopping which AI can automate away. That's why things like gradient tools on photoshop are so popular. AI art is still incredibly dependent on things like composition, color temperature, etc., things which are actually the fun parts of the artistic process!
>>153690491Yes. NTA, but I know how to draw and I have fun drawing.
>>153690539>pencilsloppersAIfag proves once again that his kind cannot innovate - only imitate.
>>153690649I generate retarded shit with AI too but at least I can admit it's retarded and, if truly the future of art, dystopic.
>>153689870>>153689938They made a study on looking at people's opinions and the strongest predictor for anti-AI attitudes were being transgender and mentally disabled. I wouldn't throw rocks in this glass house if I were you.
AI cannot improve, only it worses.
>>153690675You think calling things slop is original XDDDThe point of calling things pencilslop is to mirror your idiotic behavior back at you.
>>153690556How does generating images using a diffusion process cause insurance companies to use machine learning models?
>>153690774You're so stupid you think that you're smart for explaining the joke back to us.
>>153690702https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2025/the-company-whose--ai--was-actually-700-humans-in-india.htmlSAAR AI the future you are trans gender if you hate the Brahma program sa'ar
>>153690762Sure thing luddite.
>>153690825Ai cannot solve real economic problems, libtard.
>>153690774It obviously hit the mark if you're trying to coopt it, slopfag.
>>153690825You really just pulled see computer think food meme right. How fat are you that you have to use food analogies. Your blood type must be Rocky road
>>153690811I mean it's pretty dumb to think that calling things slop is the apex of originality.>>153690821Okay so all "AIslop" is actually hand drawn by Indians. What a self own.
>>153690863It's getting harder and harder to tell if people are just trolling or just that mentally retarded.
>>153690825
>>153684247I like how you think people who defend art love art like that fucking banana. Nobody who defends art unironically things like Duchamp is a genius.
>>153690840Yeah stupid people like pencilsloppers annoy me. Maybe if I adopt the pedagogic methods intended for 5 year olds you'll learn.
>>153690884So why is AI taking your job then?
>>153690863You slopfags literally cannot tell LLMs from jeet text. And you're supposed to be the ones heralding LLMs.
>>153690875Agreed. The defense of pencilslop is just that idiotic.
>>153690916Sloppy sloppy piggy loves slop.
>>153690929Multiple studies have shown that favorable attitudes to AI strongly correlate with being able to tell traditional and AI produced art apart. You're just lying and making a fool out of yourself.
>>153690927It isn't. Maybe people just think you're retarded and tasteless.
>>153682663Absolutely bodied those luddites notice they have no response to the background improvement
>>153690947Indeed, pencilsloppers can't get enough of their slop, but they all hate making it causing a constant shortage.
>>153690966My dad works at ChatGPT and he thinks you're retarded and that's backed by twenty studies from NASA.
>>153690973Your massive butthurt tells me something else.
>>153691023Meant for >>153690986
>>153691023Unironic cope.You fags act like trannies.
>>153691023Forever alone behiavor
>>153686972https://youtu.be/ICVPZxYLFMM
These threads always go like this and then they hit women and then someone makes them again. It's so difficult even tell if anyone on here is being genuine, trolling or just a bot. This is the power of AI. I remember a while back we used to get these exact threads and they had the same five or six images, I guess they replaced that bot with this new one, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the same exact thread reposted for the next 2 months.
>>153690169AI can take anything and turn it into grubhub commercial
>>153682552>Why are artists making shit like this all the time?This is going to sound bitter and it should because improving anything is usually a worthwhile goal. And art is neat. and drawing is neat, and I'm not saying don't. I'm saying it's not that important, at all, for anything.It's just not that deep.I wish it was, I wish pretty pictures changed the world and made rivers flow. They don't. They're a neat creative hobby. And it's cool that you have a neat creative hobby. For you. It doesn't mean much to most other people, it's just a "hey that's neat", type thing. When does it become really impressive? Literally never. There is no zenith, no point where "wow this is so great here is money now you can finally relax forever"Because it was never about the art, it was about the network, the story boarding, the contacts, the experience, the corporate doors, the moneyed interests, the reputation, the persona, and what you meant to everyone else. You can have mid shading, mid perspective, mid proportions, mid art, but you have good networks? they will fix literally everything and make you money. Fucking One Punch Man looked like a literal child's doodles, and some fucking god tier mangaka hentai boi picked it up and it's massive now. That didn't happen because ZOMG the art is just sooooooo good and Tomohiro just drew and drew until his hands bled. He had a neat idea and executed and it channeled into the right people. It's NOT just you. But artists want it their effort to matter so so badly.
>>153682590Nah, it's still our turn to kick the penfags. You refused to draw my fiverr order, and now you will pay.
Remember when you always used to say the n word and then the bot would freak out and then after that the cupcakes recipes those are the funny days.
>>153691007"Understanding how personality traits experiences and attitudes shape negative bias toward AI-generated artworks" By Grassini et al.
I've also been wondering why this board gets hit so bad by these kind of threads. Other words also have dedicated AI stable diffusion threads yet this place seems to get we hate artists they're evil threads have a lot more than actually I've never seen this kind of thread anywhere else
>>153691252I mean, where else would you expect it?
>>153691235Okay.Now do you have an explanation for why jeets love AI so much?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OjYIUz19oA
>>153682552drawing is fun.
>>153691307Yes it is.
>>153691252/co/ gets like one AI thread per week, meanwhile /3/ is just people giving up on life because of AI even though it's useless for 3D modeling
>>153682693The installation alone keeps filtering me.
>>153691280I would think /a/ because they've already come out with like a couple anime that are either heavily made with AI or assistant with AI. Trash also has dedicated AI threads never seen them crap on artists like this place and mlp in fact most every board even business has some sort of AI thread going.
>>153691160I get what you’re saying, but Michelangelo wouldn’t have been paid all that money if nobody gave a flying fuck about the ceiling. You’re right that sty doesn’t always have inherent worth, but if it’s possible for others to give or attribute value to it, then it does matter.
>>153691330Animated movies are already in trouble of mostly being derivative crap. Of course people are going to be upset about a tool that problem worse.
>>153691330Well no, not /a/. Anime is so varied and full of experimental everything that no one really hates or loves anything too strongly there unless they're literal autists.
>>153691302I know for a fact you couldn't have read the article that fast. But to answer why Indians like AI, they basically get it subsidized with idiotic Americans building their country full of datacenters even though their electric grid is already at a breaking point. Also there is the fact that faux moralism like "muh soul" works significantly less on developmentalist countries. Hence why things like eugenics are actually very popular in India. China, Israel, and Northern Europe are also pretty fond of AI. Really the anti AI seething comes mostly from Anglosphere since they're nuking their industrial basis for datacenters and Latin America where they can't sell furry porn profitably anymore.
>>153691374>>153691379It's just every single one of these threads is never about actually about AI or discussing using AI, there's never a tutorial like trash gives you a tutorial this place just wants to bitch about artists and tell you how terrible they are, /a/will criticize and complain but they're not sitting around calling them luddites and wanting them to die. Deep-seeded anger towards random artists that is also wrapped up in a political message about culture war. I feel like I'm watching one of Doom clocks videos every time I see one of these threads.
>>153691307>>153691320It really isn't. Plenty of traditional artist admit that they would no longer do art if it wasn't for digital tools since digital tools let you automate all the grueling parts. AI is just continuation of that trend but the reason it caused massive butthurt is that it eliminated the grueling parts to such an extent that now tech literate people can produce competitive works as long as they understand things like color theory and composition.
>>153691473Probably because trash has less obnoxious pencil sloppers. Try actually making a creating AI art thread on this board and see where it goes.
>>153691344>Michelangelo wouldn’t have been paid all that money if nobody gave a flying fuck about the ceilingMichelangelo wouldn't have been paid a goddamn thing if the right people didn't know him and he willfully spent all his time hiding away from the world. He apprenticed under great artists, met rich men who introduced him to patrons, and was lucky enough to be in Florence at a time when the arts were being invested in. If Michelangelo was your typical neet /co/ artist he would have lumbered into a cave and made etchings on the roof until he cried himself to death because no one understood him.
>>153691477Name one of these competitive works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWmKjq98E03D animators not like this ...
>>153691504I are you mentally damaged, trash has draw threads as well. They don't go around calling people pencilslopper, you honestly hate people who draw things I don't get it. And then you complain about transgender people who as far as I can tell most of this thread believes stole the magic of drawing and the only way to defeat them is using the power of AI. Do you honestly believe any of the stuff you're saying
>>153691514What would be the point? For you to nitpick about it pretending that you couldn't do the same to traditional art? You can go to any image aggregator site and look up demonstrations.
>>153690702Weird because AI bros act like troons>In your face about ugly visuals>Constantly done-in by "lol the hands">Pigeonhole all of their critics into some hyperspecific strawman>Unwarranted "counterculture" attitude for championing an astroturfed corporate-led movement>Hates the people in the space they want to coopt>Obsessed with taking down imaginary people on Twitter when the main demographic they're against would rather just forget they exist>Very imposing and inconsiderate>Constantly lets you know they're degenerate>Retarded victim complex about not being catered to>Unhinged "society will take revenge for me" fantasies>Porn-brained>"You can't judge us now, because the technology/medicine is getting better, so one day we will be indistinguishable from "real" artists/women."
>>153691517The first 10 seconds were cool and then it looks like crap. I know you're shilling your shit, you just really hate the idea of someone having a set of skills that you don't have. And for some reason you're incapable of learning. I don't even know why you guys even come here if you hate art so much literally there's an entire board based on technology where you can all gather
>>153691505Doesn’t take away that people valued his works enough to say he should be paid shit. Much you said that laboring to make a career out of art without any connections doesn’t lead anywhere, networking in and of itself doesn’t do dick if the art is ugly or unwanted.
>>153691564Yes they have digital artists, but they aren't obnoxious and won't barge to AI threads to start shit. Are you one of those Americans who can't read English beyond 5th grade level?
>>153691588Well that was a cop out there buddy
>>153691414You're correct. I didn't. You didn't either, and your point is disingenuous well-poisoning well after I at least sourced mine (which was ignored).Turnabout's a bitch and so are you.
>>153691598I'm just letting you know that I didn't bother reading your cope because the statistical reality of being transgender being one of the strongest predictors for being opposed to AI stands regardless of what cope your greentext contains.
>>153691619>you just really hate the idea of someone having a set of skills that you don't haveNot mine. My only youtube video has 3 views. I don't hate, else I would be angry at them for drawing or animating what they want. You are angry someone can now create a video like that, without opening blender once.
>>153691414>China, Israel, (...) are also pretty fond of AI.P.S. Listing China and Israel as your first examples is not the win you think it is.
This thread has hit bump limit, who's going to make the next one so we can have the same long-winded pointless discussion again.
>>153691671I should have added:>bitch-out with low testosterone replies when they can't make an argument
>>153691643Are you incapable of using boorus for some reason?>>153691646I did read the article. Also are you seriously comparing one story from a magazine to an actual scientific study? Maybe there is something to that mental disability being a good predictor for being opposed to AI pattern.
>>153691672>I didn't make this video, please watch my slop I want to be a famous animator and those evil blender people with their ability to watch tutorials hurt my feelings. Back in high school I was abused by the evil art club they used to point and make fun of me but now as an adult I spend my time obsessing over how AI is going to obliterate them soon everything will be Ai and then I will be a famous person.
>>153691710Look the fact that opposing AI correlates with being transgender isn't going to change no matter how much you cope. What argument is there even to make about your cope walls which are just your personal delusions.>>153691676>Needs to censor Northern Europe
>>153691764I have actually genuine question for you, why are you so unhappy. You would think you would be jumping over with joy with the fact that every single place is now basically polluted with massive amounts of AI content yet you act like it's a rare unseen thing. I literally open my feed and I see AI images what do you want everything to be made with AI is that what this whole situation is. I don't get why you're so mad that some people create things without using AI.
>>153691783>Art club in HS is high statusNarcissistic delusion.
>>153691764>One storyOf one of the largest companies in the world basically admitting that AI is indistinguishable from jeetslop, and Bloomsburg.Thank you for admitting that you didn't check my sources first before you started whining that I didn't click on yours, though.Again: Turnabout's a bitch and so are you.
>>153691820Okay but how is any of >>153691598 wrong?
>>153691831Yeah I'm pretty optimistic about the current trends in technology. The exciting thing about AI is that it's still in the replicating humans stage, but just like drum machines and synthesizers did in music eventually AI will open up completely new fields of art which humans couldn't previously produce with traditional tools. But stupid and dishonest people like pencilsoppers annoy me. If they just admitted they're mad that they're losing a source of income I might be sympathetic, but that ship has sailed with how bad faith they are.
>>153691934>Yeah I'm pretty optimistic about the current trends in technology. The exciting thing about SRS is that it's still in the replicating humans stage, but just like plastic surgery did in cosmetics eventually SRS will open up completely new fields of gender expression which humans couldn't previously produce with traditional tools. But stupid and dishonest people like homophobes annoy me. If they just admitted they're mad that they're hateful I might be sympathetic, but that ship has sailed with how bad faith they are.
Nothing more pathetic than aindians pretending to have a soul.
>>153691854>basically admitting>basicallySo they didn't admit.>>153691888How is one supposed to argue about your subjective assessment of ugly visuals for example?
>another sloppa fag got called out on xitter for lying>not only a 3rd world shitter, but unironically a jeet as wellthis has to be a fucking psyops at this point.....
>>153691976Give how transgenderism is one of the strongest predictors for being opposed to AI this is a very strange post to make.
>>153692030"Basically" is an affirmative word ESL-kun.Also great job implying you can't tell a woman from a troon. Really setting thr bar high for AIfag standards.
>>153692053Okay but you talk and act like them and use the same talking points.Also sampling bias lol.
>>153691934>>153691934Great chat GPT response very corporate.
>>153692032Kek link pls
>>153692075No it's not Mr. reads at fifth grade level. 'Basically' is a way to remove nuance and smuggle in conclusions which the source doesn't back since I doubt the article expressis verbis says that AI is indistinguishable from Indians. Also, builder was never marketed or regarded as the state of the art LLM for code generation for example for competitive programming. It was marketed as a way to automate making apps, something for which Indian software teams is the benchmark, so it's not very surprising that Indian software wasn't seen as out of the norm.
>>153692098My perplexion is why they want to be accepted so badly. Most of the content this entire year is AI generated and you would think they would just be exorbitantly happy with that but they keep acting like they're being held back by artists, because some people don't accept them. It's the strangest sense of victimhood where they just want to walk down the street and get showered with money for using AI and then ignore that every one has an AI app of some kind and can generate just the same kind of stuff they can.
>>153692053>>153692180Your study in >>153691235 doesn't mention "transgender" once and basically just shows that normies don't know AI art.You either didn't read it, or you're hoping nobody does.Either way why you lying bro?>Also, builder was never marketed or regarded as the state of the art LLM for code generation for example for competitive programming. It was marketed as a way to automate making appsAnd pray tell, how are apps made, retard?
>>153692098Why would that conclusion be the result of sample bias?>>153692121LLMs don't use terms like "the ship has sailed" unless you explicitly tell them to, which would be a strange thing to do.
>>153692161https://x.com/divya_000007/status/2054958115611975797https://x.com/divya_000007/status/2054940550214922613?s=20
>>153692233Your reading comprehension is extremely poor. That article was posted in response to someone challenging the notion that people who dislike AI art are less capable of telling it apart. The study about transgenders among other things was done by the University of Michigan. I'm sure you're not so incompetent that you can't find it.
>>153692237What are the sampling demographics of it, retard?
>>153692185I answered you here: >>153691934If you can read you should be less perplexed.
>>153692299If you don't know the sampling demographics what makes you think it has sample bias?
>>153692233PS do you even know what competitive programming is?
>>153692291And yet you keep saying "it's proven that transgenders hate AI." So you're either referencing the article you gave, or you're talking talking out of your ass.Your argument here is either you're lying about representing your source, or your whole point was you begging the question. "I'm not lying about that, I was lying about THIS."How have you AIniggers been this consistently retarded all thread?
>>153692330It was a rhetorical question.>>153692344Do you know how to make a relevant point?
>>153692313And it's the same crap that every single AI poster says. You will not acknowledge that you're not special or unique for using AI. This whole goddamn conversation is a bunch of AI users desperately trying to say that they are artist and that they should be respected for doing what everyone else can do. I have seen so many people make their family into Simpsons characters, it is very common to use AI to generate stuff you're not going to get a medal for prompting no matter how much you try to convince yourself. You constantly ignore how many other people are using it including companies and scammers. You act like you're the only one in the entire goddamn world using it and then you get mad because we don't call you a special snowflake. You're mad that you don't have an audience and for some reason you blame artists.
>>153692368>If you post an article on a different thread of discussion you cannot refer to another articleI wonder if you even know how idiotic and dishonest that sounds. Anyway the transgender article is:"AI attitudes among marginalized populations in the U.S." By Oliver Haimson.
>>153692397I see that was just concern trolling. I don't think having basic computer skills and knowing composition and color theory makes me special. Pencil sloppers aren't special either, although perhaps you think so in your narcissistic delusions.>>153692387If you don't understand how builder ai not being optimized for competitive programming is relevant to the discussion you have very poor reasoning skills.
>>153692437>you cannot refer to another articleYou never posted "another article," so we're going with "you were talking out of your ass.">AI attitudes among marginalized populations in the U.S." By Oliver Haimson.Yeah... I'm not reading that. That's clearly going to be wagging the dog's tail.I don't even get the whole point of the red herring.Let me give you a fucking question: Why do you hate trannies?Here's the catch: give me a reason that cannot also be said about you AIniggers.
>>153692525>Long-winded "you are dumb!"
>>153692525 let me give you an analogy because you're a very very silly person, you show up to a Warhammer 40K game you don't know any of the rules you don't know anything about the game but you have this fantastically well painted army, you paid some guy to do it for you .you gave him the instructions and he did it. Meanwhile this 12-year-old painted his little Warhammer figures with some household paint the paint is too thick but he really did try, you go around the tournament saying how smart you are because you paid this person to make your army look good you get squashed in the first 15 minutes because you don't know any of the rules meanwhile this kid who spent the last three months learning every meticulous rule makes it through the tournament. Then you proceed to launching into a tirade about how stupid he is and how he should have just paid some person to paint his army . That the only thing that is relevant is the look of something and that actually understanding any aspect of the lore gameplay or the hobby itself is stupid and you should be praised for your brilliance
>>153692563>Builder AI is marketed as being optimized for making corporate code>Indian software farms produce corporate code>Therefore the customers of builder ai assuming their Indian made code is AI generated is not surprising>Therefore builder AI cannot be used to conclude that LLMs can only produce corporate code, given how builder ai was never marketed as doing anything beyond thatNot exactly a hard reasoning chain.
>>153692650Being indistinguishable from Indian code is not a good thing, and it's certainly not what Microsoft was investing their money in.Thank you for that third line though. That was a pretty good self-own.
>>153692600Your analogy is stupid and incoherent because if the guy painting it followed your precise instructions and it looks good you'd need to have a pretty good understanding of things like color theory, different techniques of highlighting, etc. Also the knowledge of rules is completely orthogonal to the point you're making about painting. Granted people who have a poor grasp of logic often make these incoherent analogies as a cope since if they wrote out the propositions they'd see how dumb their opinion is.
>>153692789You just don't want to learn anything. The only thing you've heard of is color theory so you keep parenting it.
>>153692788That's exactly what they were investing their money in, cheap corporate code and not some apex competitive programming. Why do you think Indian software farms exist? Are you stupid? Also you understand builder ai wasn't an LLM but rather a platform which was supposed to generate entire apps? You shouldn't talk about subjects you don't understand. There are LLMs designed for competitive programming and more difficult outputs. If a particular customer wants AI to produce cheap corporate code, then that cannot be used to deduce that other customers who want something else couldn't tell the difference between an LLM and an Indian software farm instantly, especially given how in an actual LLM you could instantly tell by the slow token generation.
>>153692894Are we talking about minis or 2D art? For the latter you have things like composition, anatomy, color temperature, perspective, and other concepts which are important. I'm sure there's plenty of art theory I don't know. Then again, it's not like the average pencil slopper understands these things either.
>>153686972Kek bodied that pencilslop
>>153692973Samefag
>>153692988hahah all me
>>153692967NTA, but none of what you just said is more than a surface-level term that you can't pick up from browsing /ic/ for teo minutes.What kind of person thinks hearing about "anatomy" is novel?
>>153693000Yeah we know retard.
>>153692973>>153693000See >>153692542 is how you body a slopfag.
>>153693037And...? Obviously there is the understanding behind each topic like opponent process with color or focal length with perspective. My point precisely is that knowing basic art theory doesn't make me nor pencil sloppers special.
>>153693112The reason I didn't respond to that is that there is nothing I could have said which would have made you look dumber than what you said did.
>>153693055yeah we know newfag
>>153693191That sounds like a bitchmade cope.
>>153693206You are the only one here trying to make "pencilslop" work. The samefaggotry is pathetic. But you also worship something that could be replicated flawlessly by heets so that's nothing for your shamelessness.
>>153693220Keep digging that hole.
>>153693191You're mad because you can't do it.
>>153682552OP is a panda-sized faggot. A.I., moar liek GAY.I. Amrite?
>>153693242>>153693055>>153693112no muh heckin art
>>153693279>Posts picture made by a human
>>153693270You're right. You really are the master at making yourself look stupid.
>>153693330>I caaan. I just don't want to. Because, uhm... you're stupid!Come on dude, do YOU even think this sounds believable?
