Wow, a whole year of storytime with no breaks or interruptions, can you believe it?Last time, Chameleon died, probably forever, Peter took another nasty trip down memory lane, and Susan Storm whooped the butts of most of the heavy hitters is New York
>previous threadshttps://pastebin.com/aHjecA2jWew that was close, this issue wasn't on the list because apparently Flash is the only character listed as making an appearanceI'd hate to tell just the back half of a story again
>>153689658I bet it's Ben Urich
Alright, now back to where I thought we started
>>153690111That's a pretty good guess
Quite the set-up
>>153689756>this issue wasn't on the list because apparently Flash is the only character listed as making an appearance I wonder why that i->>153689766Oh it's a dream and Flash is the only real person.
>>153690000>quads on the cuckolding of Reed
>Spidey still refusing to believe in vampires
>>153690479>daredevil 1-7What the fuck!? That's longer than any Mysterio arc Spiderman has ever had.
>>153690534>hey guys, remember when this happened? God, this out of context would be so funny.
>>153690559>another vampire storyI'm telling you, something is going on with Marvel and vampires right now!
>>153690686>jimmy six MY BOY!
>>153690905>>153690932>vampires aren't realAs a reminder, Peter has fought vampires at least 3 times before this including a team up with Dr Strange to battle motherfucking DRACULA! Please tell me there are some letters pages addressing this sooner or later.
>>153690755Mysterio appeared as the surprise villain at the end of #6, then in #7 revealed how he'd set everything up, and that he was dying, the story ended with him killing himself.If the Kevin Smith/Quesada Daredevil book had stuck to a monthly schedule, this story would've been over a few months before these ASM issues, but it fell so far behind that both of these issues were released between Daredevils #6 and #7. Mackie and Byrne knew that Mysterio was in Smith's Daredevil story, but they had no idea that he was going to get killed in #7, and Macchio had completely forgotten that he'd given Smith permission to do this by the time the guys on ASM were planning a Mysterio story. I suppose it's not impossible that Smith never actually got permission to kill Mysterio and was just relying on being allowed to do it because of his star power.The Spidey office tried to just power through it and be vague in later stories whether Mysterio was still alive or if it was a new guy, while Byrne had an online feud with Smith over it, but at the time Marvel were really trying to push 'Guardian Devil' as one of their best stories of all time, and drawing deliberate parallels with Kraven's Last Hunt, and then Quesada became EIC, and messing with one of the works that got him there just wasn't happening, Mysterio was effectively radioactive for most of the 2000s because of this mess.
>>153689756I remember this story.>>153690000And here's why. This is a Jimmy Olsen-like story.
>>153691028>but at the time Marvel were really trying to push 'Guardian Devil' as one of their best stories of all timeWas it?
>>153691086>Was it?No. I'm going to be charitable and call it one of the better Marvel stories of 1998-1999, but that's not saying much. And it's one of those stories that's 'good' and 'important' because SOMEONE DIES, only with this story TWO SOMEONES DIE.
>>153691086Absolutely not
>>153690991Mackie isn't a "continuity guy"
>>153691086It really isn't. I'd rank Kevin Smith's third season of MOTU way better than Guardian Devil.
Been a minute since we saw Venom
>>153691297It has been a while, but I don't want him back man. Reading that realy showed how lame Venom is as a character. .
It's time
>>153691355This really isn't a good era for Venom. Supposedly Harras or someone else in his editorial regime hated the idea of Venom being an antihero with his own book, and as soon as sales dropped enough to justify cancelling it, forced an awkward reset back to Venom as a villain focused on a blood feud with Spider-Man.
>>153691405IT'S
>>153691464>This really isn't a good era for VenomIs it a good era for anyone?
>>153691464>This really isn't a good era for Venom. SupposedlyWell, since the best Venom thing we've gotten so far has been Maximum Carnage, I'd argue that he hasn't had a good one yet. Might not have one till Flash Venom happens.
>>153691587I'm sure there's someone who could have fun with this page if you changed a letter.
>>153691590>Is it a good era for anyone?It's as good as it ever gets for Mattie Franklin
>>153689788Wait, why is hairband the high school one? Shouldn't that be Liz? Might as well throw in Sha Shan to have everyone
>>153691844Remember guys? The iconic lab explosion that gave Spider-Man his powers!
That's all for today!Tomorrow we should be getting the answers to a number of mysteries
>>153692001Thanks for storytiming, Magister!
>>153690830Vampires, VR and Vgwememberberries
>>153691964>>153692001Imagine if Byrne had drawn these pages in his prime...
>>153691626Nah it's the Todd and Bagley issues for me dawg. That's the peak even if short-lived. Then it's followed by some of his solo miniseries.
>>153691086Learning that Quesada thought that shit was a masterpiece explains further why his looming presence is something we are all dreading anon.
>>153691028>Mysterio was effectively radioactive for most of the 2000s because of this mess.Yeah, well, they made their own Mysterio. With Black Cat and retcons.
>>153692001>Establish that Eddie Brock has escaped from prison>Now we have this stalker after MJMan that'd be too obvious
>>153692001Thanks magister
>>153691028>The Spidey office tried to just power through it and be vague in later stories whether Mysterio was still alive or if it was a new guy, while Byrne had an online feud with Smith over it, but at the time Marvel were really trying to push 'Guardian Devil' as one of their best stories of all time, and drawing deliberate parallels with Kraven's Last Hunt, and then Quesada became EIC, and messing with one of the works that got him there just wasn't happening, Mysterio was effectively radioactive for most of the 2000s because of this mess.Specifically it went like this:Spider-Man books left it open about whether it was the real Mysterio, then there was a mini The Mysterio Manifesto which gave a possible answer for who post-Beck Mysterio could be. This was ignored by the Quesada era people except for PAD who tried to acknowledge past stuffByrne went on the AOL boards to shit on how Smith and Quesada handled things and how the book was heavily late. Supposedly part of the reason the book was late was because Quesada had to attend a family member's funeral, and Byrne remarked that if Marvel Knights Daredevil had been on time to begin with that wouldn't have affected anything. It's believed this is what prompted Quesada to eventually retaliate when he became EIC and canceling Hidden Years. Kevin Smith meanwhile took a jab at Byrne in Clerks: The Lost Years, on this page.>>153694165Not just anyone, it was Kevin Smith who wrote that mini
>>153690479>It's the perfect world where I get everything and Peter gets absolutely nothingEither Flash has some deep rooted resentment at Peter or Byrne is just leaning hard into Flash's Ditko days.
>>153697044Well, how on-point has the characterization been for the last few threads?
>>153689658Last time Romita Junior was truly the greatest.
>>153690401Who's the blue electro?
>>153690546>I'm Flash Thompson, all I need is my legs! I can go anywhere I want!
>>153691964>>153692001Why didn't she just tell Peter from the start? Dude fights aliens, demons etc, he would deal with her stalker in a day or two.
>>153697846She doesn't want Peter to pull Spider-Man back into their lifes (Too late for that).
>>153697846Historically, he has not been great at nipping these things in the bud.
>>153692001>Tomorrow we should be getting the answers to a number of mysteries"When exactly was it when Spider-Man stopped being good?"
>>153690000REED, SUSAN, WHY?
>>153698984John Byrne.
>>153691029>Jimmy Olsen-like storyWonder if this was a leftover Superman story Byrne had in storage which he repurposed for Spider-Man.
>>153699218What a cunt
>>153690546>member when Flash acted like this...? I member when....Thanks Byrne.....
>>153701137To be fair, that's all Harras seemed to be willing to allow since he became EiC. Scrap everything, go back to how it was.
>>153691086NoAt this point it's only remembered for the fact that Karen Page has still remained dead
>>153701342Is the overlap between Spider-Man and Daredevil's casts enough that Karen is known by MJ?
>>153691086The people who like it are usually the ones repeating "Daredevil has no bad runs" without thinking. That should tell you something.
>>153701488That Daredevil should get the Flash Thompson special so they can't say that anymore?
>>153690018>MK1 Iron ManInteresting choice
