>>153692126
What the fuck?

>>153692126
>Anon is surprised a government funded company isn't really indie
Lol
Lmao even

you know what, i've been banned for that kinda thing before. I'm not doing that just to educate you.

>>153692577
Those were grants for their first two shows.

>>153694191
>B-B--B-But they-
Are still founded by the government. No matter how much you try using grants as an excuse, they're not truly indie. Cope.

>>153692126
Indie will exist, the problem is you will not watch it
Just like you will only warch animation by a major studio like Nick, CN, Disney. You will only watch animation by Glitch and Spindlehorse. Which is really easy to force into the system like with Amazon for both of them
You will not watch actual indie animation because you are cattle who need to be told what to watch and like by corporations

>>153694288
>the problem is you will not watch it
I watch Bridge Kids, which is more indie than anything Glitch has made. Gtfo of here, fag.

>>153692126
I never cared for Glitch.

>>153692126
I will never understand why anons are so anti-union. If you actually work in any creative industry and have worked non-union vs union gigs, you know how important unions are. They force productions to pay artists fairly and adhere to a minimum standard of treatment.

But none of the anti-union idiots on /co/ know the difference because they don't actually work in creative industries.

>>153694229
a company is indie until they sell shares of their company in the form of stocks. The australian government gave them a grant. They did not buy shares. Thus, Glitch is still indie. Cope.

>>153696232
Basically, it’s a one-time cash infusion.

>>153696226

So I’ve done both.

The reason everyone, including those of us who have worked at union jobs, generally don’t like them is for the following reasons:

Most places that have really strong unions, such as government jobs, universities, anything public really, simply don’t deserve them, and members are generally lazy and useless leeches on the taxpayer.

Other “skilled“ labor positions, typically in the arts, which is where I have worked, have unions that are completely ineffectual for young and new talent and stifle creativity in the US while doing nothing to abate corporate animation producers from sending all the jobs overseas. They talk a good game, but they’re full of crap and at the end of the day I don’t really care if Tara Strong has her job protected. Watching how the “pro worker” union shit all over the original cast and crew of Hazbin Hotel was a total fucking disgrace. Because of course, Keith David desperately needed more work, right?

Essentially, these unions turn into a modern version of an “old boys and girls club” locking out all new talent, and stifling innovation and creativity.

And in the one place that they would be useful, fighting against companies shipping all the jobs for animation to Korea or Canada or India or Malaysia or Australia or wherever, they’re completely ineffectual and do nothing.

And a word of warning: they’re going to have absolutely no power to stop AI from taking over both voice acting and animation. And if general members of the public don’t care and gobble up the slop, the union will do absolutely nothing, because when it comes to any real threat to anyone’s job, they are a complete joke. They’re just good at keeping the door locked for new and fresh talent.

That is why a good number of us who have worked in the industry are against the union.

The old guard of cartoon programming, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network and Disney Channel, are all in the process bowing out along with the slow and steady death of cable television.
Glitch is stepping in to fill in the freed up space, to become one of the new beacons of cartoon programming in the age of online streaming.
That's all.
It ain't that crazy or evil. They're not lying about what they are either, they claim to be "a fully self-sustained animation studio" and that's just the truth. I don't think I've seen them waving around a flag saying "we're just a scrappy little indie team please be nice to us" in recent years, they're way past they point and I think they acknowledge that.
>well how are true indie productions supposed to compete anymore? it would be fine Glitch shows were on their own seperate platform but here they are sharing the same space with the small guys and hogging all the attention
I genuinely don't think Glitch is snatching potential viewers away from indie cartoons, if anything indie cartoons today are getting more visibility than ever. Something like Planetronika aould have capped out at 277k views if posted in 2009 but it's picked up half a mill in less than a week by being posted today.
Glitch aren't eating anybody's breakfast.

>>153696226
They protect themselves and not the worker.
Eventually they only exist as a mafia to hurt independent workers and contractors that don't want to pay a fee.

>>153697907
They protect their members from exploitation and undermining practices. They also get better wages. But by all means, let your corporate overlord exploit you. You alone in the world will always be so super special essential worker without whom the company couldn’t function so of course you can demand raises any time you want and you don’t need worker protections because the company loves you like a family member

>>153692126
I thought SAG-AFTRA mandated that if any of their VAs worked on a project then every VA in the project had to be part of that union, is that incorrect or does this mean Egoraptor is a unionized VA these days?

>>153698023
I think it’s supposed to be a certain proportion of the cast should be unionized.

>>153697928
Actually renegotiated my contract for a 3% extra last time.
Do not be afraid of your boss or ask for more, we aren't in an era were people are sent to the coal mines or encomiendas are a thing to fear.

Unions are kind of an out dated concept that sucks fees from the workers to exist like a parasite, and as I said before it isn't protecting your average worker but the old farts that already metastasized in there, it protect thems from newer talent from breaking through and making a name for themselves.

It always devolves into both a mafia and a cabal of assholes that favor each other over the other workers.

I'm enjoying reading this thread by doing comedy accents for everyone.

>>153698249
post vocaroo you coward

>>153698321
Sorry, too coward.

>>153692126
>unions BAD
Corpocuck detected. All workplaces should be unionized, fuck the shareholders.

>>153698153
You're a blatant corporate shill. Unions are better than no union, period.
If it were up to me we'd do more than unionize, I'd have every shareholder fucking shot and the business collectivized. Death to capitalism.

>>153698456
>first lets kill all the shareholders
>then we create new shareholders

>>153696226
the antagonism is intended to inspire readers to internalize anti union sentiments, it’s not ignorance

>>153697773
Unions and strikes would never happen if producers didnt screw artists over. They treat artists as disposable cogs, some cogs fight back just to spite them. If all you hire are kids strait out of college while giving prefered treatment to the nepo class its like stealing candy from babies but the candy is money. its incredible they lost control, they became too comfortable hiring pushover nerds and never thought anyone would fight back.

>>153699390

Tell me when any of the unions involved in the animation industry have ever saved a job of one of the low level people involved in animation production— a.k.a. the people that actually need help.

The unions basically protect the jobs of more powerful and established higher-ups. Gives them some negotiating power, but the lower level artists and animators that actually need help still get all their jobs shipped overseas without a second thought.

>>153699418
The conversation is what matters. Outsourcing will strain other people and the problem continues. Kissing the ring doesn't make good art/jobs

>>153698423
Yes unions are bad, they are the reason everything is so expensive and why nothing good is ever made now. Fuck unions, they're left-wing organisations designed to destroy national industries.

>>153698456
>Unions are better than no union, period.
WRONG
Unions kill technological advancement for the sake of "worker equity" and other left-wing nonsense

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>>153692126
>words words words words words

>>153698153
>Unions are kind of an out dated concept

Yeah that’s why big corporations spend hundreds of millions trying to union bust and force their employees attend anti-union seminars, they just want the best for their workers by turning them into rugged individuals out to backstab their friends like Hulk Hogan did for personal greed and gain

>>153699418
Having no unions isn’t going to fix the issues, it just makes everything worse as corporate executives fuck over everyone to squeeze couple of extra bucks from your backs

>>153699418
The inequality is a problem but that means the union needs to change, not be destroyed

>>153696226
sag-aftra is well-known for creating as many hoops to jump through to join as possible, something you do not generally see in non-entertainment unions
also they invariably support copyright bullshit so fuck em

>>153698023
>>153698126
it varies depending on the production, a big hollywood film has to have 100% of speaking roles be union for instance

>>153699521

For the animation industry, it would just need to be a new organization that actually represents the workers and finds some way to get laws passed to prevent all the jobs being shipped overseas

>>153692126
Ooof, Yikesaroni...

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It kinda upset me that SAG got thier claws in this. I know someone who audtioned for this and really thought he had the chance. Only to find out the Union is involved. Which means the auditions were biased from the start.
The person I know was part of a original webtoon and voiced an important chratacter, the creator decided to want to make a fighting game and not include my friend along with any of the original small time VAs on the project.
Because the Union told the creator to dump them in exchange that his game be funded and be voiced by Union VAs. So I hav le genuine disdain for SAG because of this action. They purposely keep anyone who is not part of thier club out of opportunities, even fully original ones.

>>153697773
>Essentially, these unions turn into a modern version of an “old boys and girls club” locking out all new talent, and stifling innovation and creativity.
Well put

>>153697928
>They protect their members from exploitation and undermining practices. They also get better wages.
Not that anon.
Unions achieve this by gatekeeping the industry, limiting the amount of talent that can come in through membership that they alone can approve, made mandatory through exclusivity contracts they have with studios. They also make it difficult for nascent companies to scale up, thus protecting the monopoly of those same corporations you would call exploitative.
I'm not trying to change your mind or anyone else's regarding unions, because that's kind of set by which side of the fence you're on. But I will say that unions sit closer to big corpos than indies.

Most of TAG's accomplishments nowadays are just
>if we ever revive traditional animation AND do it all in America, the xerox checkers will earn $48/hr

>>153692126
Glitch was always a woke corpo slop. Even CN and Disney didnt want Game Grump slop cartoon on thier channel because it was so bad

>>153697928
This tbqh

>If it just wasn’t for the pesky union we would have animation renaissance

lol
lmao

>>153698456
I see you are ideologically captured and can't be reasoned with.

Rather sad to see, shit like this is so impractical for everyone in the industry or trying to get in the industry that it may as well kill it like a parasite.
You will find no sympathy for corpos here, but fuck if unions aren't their greatest allies once they get fat and start to hoard influence and power for their own inner circle.

>>153698153
Oh that's funny, I get that every year by default thanks to my union lmfao

>>153696226
Modern day unions are no better than the corporations they claim they are fighting against. If they where they would allow multiple unions to exist and let people choose which ones they want to join, if at all.

>>153696226
Its not just in creative fields. Niggas just sour-grapesmaxx and tell themselves they don't want a union because they don't have one.
>I actually prefer getting paid half as much as I could because uhhhh I occasionally negotiate for a tiny annual raise and that means I'm important
Okay lol

>>153697773
>They’re just good at keeping the door locked for new and fresh talent.
how?
Getting into SAG is a process, but it's doable. The Hazbin actors weren't fired because they weren't in the union, although that was an extremely convenient excuse. They were fired because Vivzie had the opportunity to trade up and star fuck the Broadway stars she flicks the bean to. It's been said before by the actors themselves that if it was just a union issue, they would have happily joined SAG (and many of them are now that Glitch is going to be working with union actors).

>>153696226
Because they're not anons, they're paid shills that work for union-busting organizations, there's an entire industry around keeping unions from forming and for good reason.

By the way, minimum wage? Unions.
Minimum amount of breaks? Unions.
The right to discuss wages? Unions.
A fuckton of safety regulations? Unions.
The corporate pig shits his pants when unions are mentioned, and will straight-up break the law to keep them out of his business.

>>153699451
>The conversation is what matters.
Conservations is all unions can do and they solve nothing.

>>153702175

Dude, every single one of those things you just mentioned is from 50 years ago or more.

You’re listening to that patriotic union marketing telling you that they are still the guys fighting for the coal miners.

In the last 50 years behind the scenes, they have been infiltrated and taken over and are nothing more than an extra tool for corporate oppression to stifle competition and innovation.

The rule for them these days is that the places that need unions, like Amazon, will never get them because the workers are so disposable they can all be fired if they ever were to try and the corporation will be happy to do it.

And the places that do get unions, like SAG, are just a joke and end up becoming their own tool of oppression to keep the little guy out as is.

The no union in the animation industry has ever protected or saved the job of someone that a company wanted to just send over overseas.

And tell me when the last time we got a proper raise in minimum wage? If you were to actually compensate for inflation, our minimum wage is the same place it was at during the Gilded Age.

Unions are at best a reliquary joke and at worst they are now a tool of oppression quietly wielded by the same elitists that run the corporations they claim to reign in

>>153702113

What’s your SAG number?

I assume you’re speaking from actual experience.

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>>153697928
>They protect their members from exploitation and undermining practices.
This.

>>153701509
>Unions achieve this by gatekeeping the industry
Not really. Joining unions is pretty easy and the process for all of them is very clearly laid out. There's nothing that unions are doing to prevent new talent from getting jobs. Using Hazbin as an example (since that is commonly brought up on /co/), all Vivzie had to do if she wanted to keep her pilot actors was hire them for the series. Once they're cast on a union gig, they're instantly eligible to join the union. The fact that she tried to blame union issues was a convenient smokescreen for the fact that she wanted to trade up as soon as she didn't need people who were willing to work for peanuts anymore.

>>153699563
if you want to join the union, you just need to be an extra on 3 union gigs which, if you're serious about acting, is dead simple to get. There are cattle calls where they accept people to essentially be bodies in a room. Or you audition for a union gig and get cast. At which point you are eligible to join SAG.

>>153699569
yes, but if you can get cast in a big hollywood film without being part of the union, at which point the opportunity to join (which would be requisite for the job) will instantly be available to you.

Vivzie lied to everyone and people just ate it up. Look up the requirements for joining SAG. It's not particularly rigorous. You essentially just need to actually BE an actor to join the actors union. Crazy, right?

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>>153692547
Yep. Gameoverse is about as "indie" as McDonald's now.

>>153702385
Minimum wage didn't exist until 50 years after the gilded age.

>>153702385
I wonder why amptp isnt going on a strike?

Gross, man. I don't wanna watch a show where I help Arin go legit.

>>153697773
I don't know much but yeah this is what I've heard as a common layperson and what I do know about how SAG-AFTRA in the articles that have come out after the last strike, they seem quite ineffectual and self-serving. A union that is really just for the benefit of a couple. A corporation with extra steps and even greater senses of betrayal when they pan out that way.

>>153702175
This is possibly the funniest post in relation to SAG AFTRA with all the shit they pull to stay in good graces of CEOs and suppress new talent and competition.

>>153696226
unions in gig economies maintain artificial job security by forcing studios to hire their members.
remember when vivziepop dumped the entire cast of hazbin hotel after the pilot? it’s because a union forced her to. and i reckon it’s about to happen again.

>>153702586
We didn't need minimum wage laws because the market naturally shifted.

unions ain’t got shit on Henry Ford

>>153701731
That defeats the purpose of collective bargaining because the people the unions are supposed to be representing would be spread apart. Unifying workers under common representatives is what gives unions power.

Unions are the reason we have workplace safety protocols which have severely minimized worker deaths and injuries that we saw during the industrial revolution. It's the reason workers get pensions, overtime, benefits, 40 hour work weeks, weekends...If we didn't have unions, corpos would use people up as disposable resources. They can exploit workers because there will always be someone desperate enough to work for less.

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>>153702420
>put personal information on /co/

>>153703031
>remember when vivziepop dumped the entire cast of hazbin hotel after the pilot? it’s because a union forced her to
no it didn't. It was a convenient excuse for Vivzie, though. All she had to do was hire the people from the pilot to be in the series, and by being cast in a union production all of the actors would have been eligible to join SAG.
The old cast got discarded because Vivzie wanted to carouse with broadway stars. And you ate up her propaganda like a good little piggie you fucking idiot.

>>153692126
>letting a union into your company
Does Australia allow unions to force themselves on employers, or is Glitch run by retards?

>>153703917
>the voice actors wouldn't have been replaced by the union if they had joined the union!
this is not the own you think it is

>>153702175

>They're paid shills that work for union-busting organizations

Far more likely they don't have a job at all. Or a very bad one. Your typical /pol/ conservicuck is a young white male from an economically devastated red state (destroyed by the red polititians they voted in) who has to scrape by on welfare or burger flipping. Their only way to cope with their poverty is to blame external factors ("the liberals") for their problems. Thus the sour grapes about unions.

I don't even like unions but it's amusing how the American working class has been turned against pretty much the only tool they had for economic longevity.

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>>153703938
both can be true

Hope we get an artbook. The visuals were the highlight

>>153704163
>this is not the own you think it is
Are you stupid?
Nobody was prevented from getting a gig because of union restrictions. The actors from the pilot weren't brought on for the series because Vivzie didn't want them.
The actors themselves had come out and said that they would have been glad to join SAG-AFTRA had that been the only thing holding them back. And in order to join the union, all Vivzie would have needed to do was cast them for the series, and they'd have the option to join.
In short, union restrictions have nothing to do with the pilot actors not being on the series. They're not there because Vivzie didn't want them to be.

>>153704598
where's the lie?

>>153697773
Unions work by making labor scarce. The only way to make labor scarce is to limit how many people are allowed to make it in.

>>153698023
>does this mean Egoraptor is a unionized VA these days?
I checked the Sag website and yes, he's a member of the Actors Guild.

>>153702385
Fuck off, shill.

>>153707587
that's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard

>>153702385
How is SAG "keeping the little guy out"? Please explain it to me.

>>153708890
>Everyone that disagrees with me is a shill

Have you thought people just have common sense and the idea of a parasite that takes a cut of your money and steals job opportunities from newbies is evil?

>>153701647
And I get it every year by default just by showing up to work and doing my job. I also get health care, stock options, and a 401(k). Only difference between you and me is I can get all of it without paying protection to the Learned Elders.

>>153703866
>Unions are the reason we have workplace safety protocols
Yes, and now that we have OSHA and the Department of Labor, we no longer need unions for that.
>It's the reason workers get pensions, overtime, benefits, 40 hour work weeks, weekends
This is what unions do. They point to what they did in the past to distract from the fact that they do nothing for workers in the present.

>>153708890
>no argument

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>>153698023
Does SAG MAKE you join if you have done numerous voice acting gigs on your own, just so you can't be an independent and undercut union va's?

>>153709682
If nothing else they'll try and bully companies into not hiring you, as demonstrated by the Genshin shit last year.

>>153696232
So by your logic, valve games like half-life are indie?

>>153709425
Get fucking raped, shill.

>>153697928
>They protect their members
Why not all workers?

>>153708890
>no argument
you lost

>>153711023
They can reap the benefits that unions have provided them for decades. What's funny is that too many of those same workers also complain or take measures against the concept of unions, thinking they won't be thrown aside like a used condom when their usefulness has expired.

>>153692126
It's because Titmouse is working on Gameoverse ya knob, they're the unionized ones

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>>153703866
>Unions are the reason we have workplace safety protocols which have severely minimized worker deaths and injuries that we saw during the industrial revolution
My dad was an electrician for around 15 years. The one time he ever reported an OSHA violation, it was one that could actually get people killed and he was immediately kicked off the job and the union didn't lift a finger over it. From the very beginning unions have just been different groups of thugs busting kneecaps to preserve their own power.

>>153701009
> Which means the auditions were biased from the start.
That’s not how it works, idiot. Your friend just needed a convenient excuse because they suck at acting

>>153711694
Just imagine if we didn’t have unions, your dad would still has his job!

>>153711694
Your dad is a retard for not pursuing a lawsuit.
Sorry anon, you’re the offspring of a complete dipshit. Guess the Apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

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>>153710340
Valve hasn't made a game since half life (1)

>>153709375
>Yes, and now that we have OSHA and the Department of Labor

And as we’ve seen under Trump, you can always trust them to do the job so we don’t need unions when it comes to ensuring saf- wait what’s that? OSHA under Trump is actively eroding workplace safety laws? He’s been defunding OSHA ie making it harder for it to function? Under one year of Trump’s second term we’ve seen staggering decrease in average OSHA issued penalties, wage theft enforcement cases have declined by 97% while workplace health and safety penalties dropped by 47% and the overall the drop in penalties has coincided with a 35% drop in enforcement cases? Department of labour has been deregulating like crazy when it comes to worker safety? They also now want to stop tracking work-related injuries and illnesses on job sites, so employers would no longer need to record injuries like bone fractures? Meanwhile OSHA also plans to no longer cite employers for hazards that are common in high-risk jobs?

And that doesn’t even take into account how Trump has made National Labor Relations Board largely toothless by not filling the necessary vacancies so that it can have quorum again and actually make rulings on unfair labor practice and union election cases.

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>>153712119
You can have your former Chinese offshored industry back making the same profit but you cannot avoid the consequences of it. For everything else there's Indians.

Just to keep this off since I think everything that needed to be said has been said:

As it pertains to the world of animation, the unions are ineffectual at actually helping the little guy, and merely serve as gatekeepers against new blood coming into the industry.

If a studio is working with SAG-AFTRA it’s asinine to call them an independent studio. Perhaps they are a small studio, but they are certainly not independent.

None of the unions anywhere in the animation industry will be able to stop the coming onslaught of AI, and the big corporate Studios are going to probably eliminate all these union jobs within the next 10 years after moving over to AI.

>>153711731
>>153711815
>>153711847
do i love unions yet? you should try insulting me more. that will surely fix everything.

>>153713429
>gatekeepers against new blood
They're not gatekeeping anything.
>they are certainly not independent
You don't know what independent means. You seem to think it means "small budget". That's not the case.
>Studios are going to probably eliminate all these union jobs within the next 10 years after moving over to AI.
That goes for pretty much every job in any industry.

>>153696226
SAG isn't a union but a guild. And they're predatory as fuck.

>>153697773
>And a word of warning: they’re going to have absolutely no power to stop AI from taking over both voice acting and animation
They already made a deal with an AI company which was partly founded by one of SAG's Board of Directors.

>>153696226
>you know how important unions are.
SAG-AFTRA isn't really a media union though, it is Californian Hollywood Circle-Jerk Union, that are openly hostile against all other media industry across US and the rest of the world.

>>153714187
>They're not gatekeeping anything
They literally told Union VAs to not work on Genshin to force the studio to go Union with the lie that it was because of AI even though both the recording studio and the company producing the game has stipulations against AI already. They just wanted to bully them into going Union which they literally can't because Chinese laws prevent them from joining non-Chinese organizations.

>>153715693
And they won't let a production use their people AND non-union people. It's got to be all SAG, and big companies go along with it because they believe that SAG is the only source of good voice actors.

>>153709184
If you don't join, you don't get good gigs because the industry giants only hire SAG.

>>153702500
What are their DUES like? I'm thinking exorbitant, based on how much they demand for their members.

>>153698023
They did/do.

>>153704163
guaranteed viv wasn't even paying scale

>>153699563
you've never even self-taped what the fuck do you know

>>153697907
protip anon: americans don't say "a mafia", it's very unnatural english to them, even though it probably sounds normal to you

do you even get weekends off in your country? all americans do because unions pushed for it, but I'm guessing where you are that only happened a few years ago so you maybe don't understand the relevance of it

>>153715730
If you join the guild you ultimately get paid more and have worker protections, so what's the issue.

I would say that it is impressive how dedicated the union shills are but it is not like they have a job to go to.

>>153696226
Unions were good before leftoids infiltrated them and turned them into protection scams. "We want to be paid more because we literally put our lives in danger to line your pockets" turned to "fund our adult daycare or else." Bitch, please. Don't even try to pretend it isn't when we saw your demands these last few strikes.

>>153692126
Go live in the fucking woods if you want to be "indie"

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>>153715948
I don't see how you get "adult daycare" from "don't replace me with AI and start giving residuals again"

>>153716052
They were given a great deal that ensured the actors can give their consent and be compensated for AI using their performances and SAG drug it out anyway because they wanted more than the studios promised, even though the actors themselves were begging them to take the deal because it was both exactly what they wanted and it was a take it or leave it for the studios. If SAG rejects it, the actors are fucked out of work.

>>153712119
And the mask comes off. Back to your hugbox, leddit

>>153715797
>americans don't say "a mafia"
yes we do

>>153711731
>That’s not how it works
Then you know nothing about SAG then, moron

>>153716104
>even though the actors themselves were begging them to take the deal

Then why did 78% of membership vote for a strike?

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>>153696226
They think being corpo bootlickers makes them "anti-establishment"

No, I don't understand it either.

Does all Glitch content lean hard to the left? I am left, and it's fine/I can tolerate it to an extent, but I'm not as hard left as the shows of their I've tried.
If that's not who I am or what I enjoy, should I just give up on them?

>>153716591
It’s all relative.

>>153716514
>Then why did 78% of membership vote for a strike?
That was before the final deal, dumbass.

>>153696226
I used to be pro-union until I tried to break into a specific industry and found myself completely kneecapped by not being part of one and not being able to join one because my creative work in that industry wasn't earning me a minimum of $50,000 per year. Normally this wouldn't be that big of a deal, but joining said union is the only way to certify your work as not generated by AI, which is a huge problem in the industry as AI generated content is absolutely flooding out new creators.

In this sense, the strict requirements of the union to join actually gatekeep you from being able to meet those requirements and therefore hamstring anyone new trying to break out. Deeply evil.

>>153715730
That doesn’t keep out the little guy. The little guy can choose to either join SAG or pursue non union work.

>>153716591
>Does all Glitch content lean hard to the left?
Not yet, but it has the potential of being

>>153717422
>The little guy can choose to either join SAG
No they can't. The little guy needs to be making high income from acting in order to join the guild. If the little guy is only doing poorly paid indie work, he will never qualify.

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>>153716576
Unions can be great. My country has strong unions. The "Unions" in California are not real Unions though because they mix in the type of politics that don't belong there and don't allow in republican voters. Thats a really fucking stupid move because the power of a Union comes from the number of members and the amount of public backing and backing of other Unions it has. Thats the reason why a real Union only focuses on worker rights issues and no other political topic to attract as large membership as possible.

"Unions" like SAG-AFTRA are therefore not real unions. Its Hollywood insiders larping as a Union.

>>153715636

So the circle of cancer is complete. Now the union leadership are the evil corporate overlords killing the jobs.