Calarts is collapsing
What did he even say?
>>153702675I mean, western cartoons are in a dire state. I don't know why anyone would attend.
>>153702695You tell me
>>153702705>*leaves board and site*
>Steven Universe was not a good show
>>153702695>"Increasingly niche coming of age stories that actively vilify the majority is not a viable business strategy."
>>153702675Is this about AI
>>153702695>The beanmouth artstyle does exist and it's about time we acknowledged that
>>153702705>You're all racist, sexist fascists nazis. You need to be better.
>>153702705>You paid your teachers to care about your trite opinions. Nobody else has to care about what you have to say.
>>153702675The sad part here is that this graduating class entered into that school 4 years ago, back when the animation industry still existed. so this college could still guarantee jobs for everyone that paid the fees and got in.4 years later in 2026, they have no fucking chance in hell of landing a job anywhere at all. They are competing with thousands of industry vets from every major studio and game dev studio that were laid off in the last three years for even the entry level scraps. Some graduate is not going to get a job over someone who worked on 2 Disney movies, a Dreamworks movie, and three games. They're fucked, they know they are fucked and this crushing realization that they are not going to find work in their field is blowing their minds. The veterans that were trying to keep hope alive and tell people things will get better themselves quit and moved into teaching.
>>153702695>I always hated Thundercats and thought it was stupid! I'm glad your childhoods are being ruined!
>>153702675This guy is also known for hiring close friends and handing them 6 Figure salaries who hold no actual position and generally do nothing. There is something like 16 or so Vice principals and other upper level staff there now that this guy hired. Then massively increase the tuition rate for students to the point that they are now breaking.
>>153702675>twitter screencap threadWhy don't you share what he said instead of this stupid coy bullshit?
>>153702853Why did the animation industry suddenly get fucked so hard?
>>153702695>>153702697>>153702764Ravi S Rajan (Yes, a Jeet)Upon taking over in like 2017 he used his position to carve out Calarts for maximum profit for himself and his new Jeet hires.He literally made the school itself buy him a 4.5million dollar mansion, a tesla, a bmw, and filled the school with new fake Jeet administrative positions who do nothing but draw huge salaries, while laying off the actual artists and teachers.So basically what always happens whenever you let a Jeet run your Western institute.
>>153702695He's Indian so probably something about AI.
>>153702894Everyone abandoned all their revenue streams for streaming.Tv with advertising, and licensing to channels for viewership is droppedTheater releases are droppedHome theater physical releases are droppedIn favor of a $15-ish subscription service. So now everything makes a tiny fraction of what it used to make and no one can afford to continue making media content.
>>153702894...we have had this conversation a thousand times in the last three years almost every single fucking day. How are you this goddamn retarded?
>>153702912All calarts students are liberals so shouldn't they be celebrating a minority robbed them?
>>153702894Execs got massive erections over AI and fired everyone.
>>153702695From what I can see, nothing. The students just don't like him because he gives expensive jobs to friends who do nothing and personally has an insane salary.
>>153702675Decades of inbreeding lead to deformities (of style, thought, quality, financial return, etc)>>153702919Doesn't apply to video games and live action so clearly your theory is false.
>>153702912Based
>>153702941I don’t hang around on this board too often. I enjoy comics and cartoons, but I don’t really follow industry trends.
>>153702894They invested heavily during Covid, realized that it wasn’t cost effective, and lost general interest.
>>153702942Even liberals lowkey despise jeets since they're more racist and sexist than /pol/. It's California though so no one is going to be open about it.
>>153702965Wow, it’s almost like video games have nothing to do with the animation industry! It’s almost like live action is cheaper than animation! Who knew?
>>153702894I'd say it was an inevitable downfall.Too many creator passion-projects instead of trying to make something that sells. Unless you're footing the bill of the IP, your need to make something that sells.
>>153702919This, Techbros convinced the aged boomers in charge of the giant film studios that streaming is the wave of the future and all things should and will be streamed. So they convinced the boomer CEOs to shift all productions to paid streaming services, while not doing a single thing to see if it is as profitable as the formats they were ditching. They were wowed by modern technology and went full force any way. Now they are fucked and cannot make the same level of revenue at all in streaming without having to massively raise the price and include ads any damn way.
Good, he can go fuck himself and I hope only the worst for the pig.
>>153703001wow it's like you are a fucking retard that has no idea what you are talking about or understand that video games and live action are other wings of the same mega corporations
>>153702965Xbox Game Pass is losing money
>>153702675I was one of the graduatesI don't really know what to do now, I'm still looking for a job, the most recent thing I applied to was villainous since they have animation spots
>>153702942“Ermm chud, his uncaring corruption, tribalism towards his own Indian cousins, and lack of loyalty to America and Western Society, has nothing to do with the fact he’s an Indian Migrant!”
>>153703009You must live in a hyper-insulated bubble if you can believe this without noticing how much better Hollywood live action is doing. If you just keep agreeing that'll make up for the falsity.
>>153703020Wow it’s like they’re different industries anyway and you really don’t know what you’re talking about!
Live action is an order of magnitude more expensive than animation
>>153703006That’s interesting, because I feel like Hollywood is having the opposite problem. Very few passion projects, very little creative control for the people with an idea, and tons of rehashes instead. I guess balance is the key. And also, if everyone is making the same passion project, that’s not gonna go over well either.
>>153703020>every product a company makes has the same financial model and viability because it's the same companyretard
>>153702675Probably didn't help that the chairwoman decided to talk down to the crowd like she was talking to 10 year olds, then spent 3 minutes in a speech telling them how super dooper important she is. A booing angry mob is not going to be wowed or silenced by some rich bitch telling them that she is too important to be boo'ed.
>>153703042Warner, Sony, Disney, and Paramount have shifted from a format of releasing 50+ movies a year to slightly over 10. What the fuck metric are you even using to think that movies are doing better now than before? The fact that more Superheroes are being made? That they are making more Star Wars fanboy shit for you to fap to? You need to leave the fanboy bubble there.
>>153703009If this is true, I wonder what will happen. People are addicted to the convenience of streaming, and I don’t see that changing now that the genie is out of the bottle.
>>153703040I like to think the fact that the nation that has the highest record number of humanitarian disasters, highest record of health related disasters, highest amount of dumped garbage and sewage in the general public, and highest level of disregard for public safety sort of shows that Indians apparently make for very terrible leaders and decision makers. They are near French Monarchy levels of uncaring self serving fucks.
>>153703001Gotta love when these shitty ass personalities come out to remind you it's good that a lot of people in animation lost their jobs - it'll build character An overall defense for your field isn't something to wave in the air and insult anyone who points out it’s wrong and then go back to waving it like you don't know youre wrong. You can TRY to do that but it nukes all respect for you.
>>153703077Ideally, the incompetent companies will die and competitors will rise. But Americans are retarded now and monopolization is now de facto legal so in our lifetime I doubt things will improve.
>>153702675One of the big things that people don't realize is that nowadays everyone wants to be an animator/artist which was never true for decades so back in the olden days a studio would just find somebody who was good at art and then just sort of teach him the ropes as they were nowadays these schools eat up all these kids who grew up on the anime and now think they want to be famous artists same things true and Japan but to a lesser extent it's sort of like we went from everyone was going to be a computer person whatever the hell that meant to now everyone wants me artist and animator which is ridiculous because there's a minimal amount of jobs available but we're living through that time period where everyone has lost their mind
>>153703077That's the problem everyone found themselves in around 2023. Streaming was not the amazing thing that was going to replace all other formats. But by that time they managed to divide the market into 8 or so different competing services so there is no longer any one stop shop that can control the market like cable. Also customers were now convinced that streaming should be cheap, lower than $20 a month, convenient, and they had easy options to drop one and go subscribe to another if they are turned off by the antics of one company. They have no answer and they did paint themselves into a corner.
>>153703052Hollywood makes enough off it's blockbusters to let directors make their sundance film festival passion-project movies.Problem is they want to make money off DEI programs AND audience money, but audiences don't want DEI odyssey or whatever the newest abomination is. They're chasing two rabbits, but haven't gotten to the point where they end up with none, just 1 and a bit.
>>153703072Are there films people give a shit about as a norm? Already doing better than industry animation!
>>153703121Holy run-on sentence, Batman
>>153703139No?
>>153703121If only there were more studios created to provide jobs for the rising number of people wanting to get into this industryOh right there are no jobs and wealth is hoarded therefore no money to make new studios or fix anything
>waaaahhhh booo hooo we only made $30 Billion this year because of streaming. We're literally starving. Why can't we go back the good old days of 2010 when we brought in $14 Billion
>>153703072Also you lack the ability to read, I said better than animation, not better than some imagined past period of live action. >>153703048Streaming services function similarly regardless of type of content. You should learn some philosophical thought >>153703156People are all fired up about The Odyssey even if only to complain. People don't even care to complain about new cartoon series anymore.
>>153703121No it was absolutely true but it was a working class job. There were plenty of jobs to be had and studios to work for in the age of television.What happened was the 08 recession coupled with the writers strike had studios cutting any and every corner they could cut to maintain revenues. Animation being the lowest level of prestige in every studio (including Disney) is always cut first.So all training programs were cut, salary jobs became temporary gigs, benefits were cut, and jobs were combined so that you had a significantly smaller staff doing the work of three to four different teams. The 2010s saw animation work going from a specialized career field, to temporary gig work only a few already well off people could afford to do. The problem was this was happening in the golden age of Social Media where regular people could now meet and see the thoughts and comments of various personalities that worked on shows like Adventure Time and Steven Universe. That wowed people into wanting to go be animators too. and the numbers of animation students really swelled in the late 2010s...the same time studios were cutting things down.
>>153703161I talked to a few guys on a Comic-Con who actually run some of these studios and they all had the same problem they have no delivery mechanism. They all talk about back in the day when they could just go through the three companies that ran all the delivery of comics or the cable network that they could put a show on nowadays they have no idea how to actually get stuff out there to be seen and make money. So they just have given up most of them just talk about back in the day
>>153703173I can tell you’re really pissed off by how disjointed your writing is.
>>153703194It also doesn't help that they don't have a clue what to fund. Also they rely so heavily on random surveys from weirdos who go to malls where the hell the mall there have been bead for like 20 years
>>153702942For the first time in their lives, they're actually forced to deal with the natural conclusion of their ideals, instead of said conclusion happening in some far off town they've never heard of.
>>153703194It was a sickening mix of events in the 2010s>Studios were rolling back almost all benefits and combining positions into a storyboarder doing about 6 different jobs including background design, general layout, character design, and often full key animating>Between Cartoon Cartoons, Nicktoons, and post Gravity Falls Disney, it was a golden era of the creator driven series. all of a sudden people could just make their own cartoon. That was never really a thing before.>Twitter had people interacting with personalities like Alex Hirsch, and Rebecca Sugar and wanting to be like them so more people were wanting to go into the field. This just inspired more people to want to go into animation.>All studios demanded their employees live in Burbank/Glendale. No one cold afford that on gig jobs, this caused animators to start clamoring for more money and striking was a sexier idea.>Studios started abandoning all their formats for paid streaming, cable channels were left to rot which sent more people into streaming. Then they found out it was not as profitable.>The decade ended with COVID, which led to more economic crashing and more studios tightening more belts.
>>153702675Thank Christ
>>153702912>So basically what always happens whenever you let a Jeet run your Western institute....the same thing that happens to all other colleges when the government backs student loans and makes them un-bankruptable personal debt?you might have your diagnosis wrong.
>>153702942Fuckin smoked
>>153703205That is the main issue.Cable was perfect because it was universal, nearly everyone had it and it it had the exact same channels on it for everyone across the nation. Everything had perfect mass audience exposure. Streaming has the problem of being too divided. Only some households have Netflix, only some households have Disney+, only some households have HBO Max. This means the services are only getting a percentage of the audience they used to have with Cable. also people move around the services frequently. Most people will only subscribe to Netflix for a few months then cancel or move to HBO, or they will cancel if one of them raises a price. The low price point is causing a weird standoff among the studios right now since none of them can afford to keep going at the $9.99-12.99 price point, but if they raise fees then everyone will quit and go to some other guy that is charging $9.99 instead. They are kind of stuck with no real answer.
>>153703205Should be obvious>cable: no, unless you're chasing the 40+ audience>streaming: you'll get some people but not everyone>youtube: yes, anyone can access it but youtube is not a viable method of income because they are a greedy company>therefore: sell merchandise off platform to fund cartoons people want to watchIt still baffles me only indie productions and yourubers have figured this outYoutube is the platformMerchandise is the revenueGive people a FREE product, I know, that sounds bad to billionaires ears, but in the age of piracy that's all you can do. And if people actually like that thing, they will pay to support it.
>>153702894I was under the impression animation in the video game industry was doing reasonably well? At least outside of AAA studios?
>>153702912Nice to see jeets doing some good for a change
Reject androgynousism, embrace 2 gender conformity.
>>153703205so, gatekeeping basically.People bitch about this alot, but the truth is it had some upsides because the path to advancement was alot clearer as a consequence. Now, its almost like you have to build your own publishing/distro company which is just one more thing that isn't actually animating that has to be done.>>153703161i would have more sympathy for this if i didn't watch for the last 15 years an explosion of lifestyle spending on credit card debt and a complete abandonment of personal financial responsible behaviors. People piss away money at all levels of earning, and then complain that nothing is affordable...
>>153703208This is just a childish “no you” response from your inability to own up to your flaws. Sounds great for worsening the field
>>153703377Youtube is not viable because most people are raised up with two major expectations,>It's FreeYou cannot get people to get on board with paying for YouTube since it has been free for 20 years, they are not going to want to pay for what used to be free.>It's low effort disposable contentRegardless of what you are watching, people genuinely have this expectation that YouTube is public broadcasting of any piece of garbage one wants to record, and NOT equal to actual real entertainment. In the eyes of the public nothing on YouTube is "REAL" entertainment. It's filler and nothing more. They are kind of in a hole that they cannot really climb out of here.
>>153703342I don’t think le gubmint guaranteed loans forces Indian Migrant Presidents to buy 5 Million Dollar mansions as “institutional housing” or to fire all the teachers to quadruple the new Mumbai hire paychecks, anon.
>>153703419Which flaws?
>>153703362Also doesn't help that every single one of them sold the concept to the general public as>Why pay $80+ for cable when our streaming service is just $9.99!!!!!!!!Everyone was sold the concept of a very cheap fee for everything they want to watch. That falls flat if they jack prices for all the services up to $20-50 a month.
>>153702695Do you mean gang violence?
>>153703452I think it was the Paramount guys that said their streaming platform would have to charge something like $65 a month to begin seeing the same level of returns they had projected back in 2019.
>>153702695all the speeches are on twitter right now
>>153703481Streaming is gonna die out quicker than cable. I wouldn’t be surprised if cable did make a comeback. My roommate thought about getting it a few months ago.
>>153703425no, but generalise what the behavior is, and it becomes clear. The administrative/bureacratic state of an institution asserting itself and extracting maximum value for itself from the system, and then maybe consider doing the job after that.>since the 90s, admin to student/teacher ratio has increased over 65%>admin compensation follows this trend too, as does expenditures on things that are not academics>same core behavior, wasting money on things that are not academicsyou can whine about your replacement nonsense all you want, but the fact is if there wasn't a culture of blowing money on this shit, there'd be nothing for Indian Migrant President to slide into in terms of this shit.
>>153703520you may be forgetting why people hated cable and were willing to go streaming only in the first place
>>153703481>>153703452I'd bet good money if all of these studios just stayed on Netflix instead of opening up competing services, they'd be making more money than they are now. They all thought they could be as big as peak Netflix, with less to offer.
>>153703493So post a transcript or something. Why is it that no one is able to share what he actually said? Did he even say anything?
>>153702919It's still wild that they just cut their own throats for no fucking reason, this industry is so fucking stupid man.
>>153703042>how much better Hollywood live action is doingLOL WHOT.
>>153703423Ok, but it's where all the indie animators are at. All the artists chasing animation, the storytime youtubers. Internet personalities, streamers, whatever. I'm twenty and I spend half my day on youtube and zero hours on any streaming service. If you think it isn't a platform where the young people are at, you're dumb, and glitch literally rose to where it is today by selling plushies and keychains and what notIt's pretty clear me that companies refusal to put out any merch or well, care about shit is whats fucking everything upLike that cartoon mcdonalds put out last year, did anyone care for that, no. It wasn't made in passion, it was a crappy story and not even any merch to go along with it, cuz why sell merch apparently?All I'm really saying is, audiences want a good story, so like, give us a good story, something new. I'm not gonna complain if it's been done before, I'm gonna complain if it's trash. And yea, writing a good story means actually not being a piece of shit to artists and low-balling wages.
>>153703481A few of them had to have understood that they simply do not have enough content of their own to maintain a platform. No one is interested in watching only Paramount movies or only Sony movies and nothing else. People want the variety. The situation they are in now is that people are only really interested in a couple series, will subscribe to something to watch that series. and then quit when the series is done.
>>153703563For the most part, no he didn't say anything. He was trying to power through the standard graduation speech while people were booing him and he stopped and stood there for a couple minutes.
>>153703194Hey now, don't forget that Boston is also at fault for some of this shit.
>>153703543No?
>>153703625Adult Swim is really really extra tiny in the grand scheme of things. No one at Disney, Sony, Viacom, Nickelodeon, or Comedy Central was harmed because of a stunt in Boston.
Calarts graduates getting gapped by porn artists
>>153703392Calart is NOT indie
>>153703551Netflix nowadays isn't doing that much good either
>>153703543People were pissed off at cable turning into nothing but a single filler series airing on a channel 24/7 imitating binge format.It wasn't the prices that sent them away, or the convenience of streaming. It was getting tired of the same handfull of shows on every single channel and a demand for something else. Fatigue did it more than price.
I'm so fucking glad i never got into any animation college, the current landscape sounds horrible
>>153703057>Probably didn't help that the chairwoman decided to talk down to the crowd like she was talking to 10 year oldsit's a very common tactic women and beta men use when they're arguing with someone
>>153702705So you don't know?
>>153703611Here's a youtube vid of it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0vTVWyY47s. I understand where the black lady is coming from, but it's never, ever a good idea to tell people who are financially struggling now, in a very shitty economy, how hard you had it back the economy was a lot better.
>>153702942Nobody likes Indians. Canada is super hippy liberal land and Canadians are ready to initiate the Great Flush any day now.>>153702965The game industry, especially AAA, is basically in crisis mode because the nickel and dime method only works on a couple of games.
>>153703129Decentralized control of the market is a good thing, at least for consumers.
>>153703520If company weren't retarded they'd make their own "cable" subscriptions and then market the shit out of it.With a catalog a company like Warner has there is nothing stopping them from making a network for every possible niche (or at least up to the point it's profitable) and if they put some effort into it would attract people.It probably wouldn't even cost that much to consumers considering that they don't have buy space with telecommunications providers.
>>153703663That's my point, though, that if all of these studios just stayed on one or two platforms, ALL of them would be doing a lot better. For a while, Netflix was the Steam equivalent of the streaming space. It's just where most of the people were. What these studios desperately need a central service everyone uses. They had that with Netflix for a while, but then...um...uh...>>153703650I heard rumors that a good way to break into the silver screen animation industry is to work in the video game animation industry for a while. I don't know if it's true, but it makes sense. Sure big AAA games outsource everything, but I feel like there's lots of AA game studios that could use animators.
>>153703694Why don’t you tell us
The West is healing.
>>153703647It lead to Ted Turner stepping down and new people taking charge of warner. Warner is one of the biggest media companies in the world, this action had consequences even if the whole situation is fucking retarded.
>>153703520>being at the mercy of the cable company's broadcasting schedule>no ad free subscription tierFuck that noise.
>>153703625It was Boston Bomb Scare + 2008 recession + streaming boom + the end of mainstream physical media + 3 strikes + inflation not keeping up with people's pay and needs + greedy as fuck neocon silicon Valley execs who would gladly slurp Trump and Jew cock + IP mining + liberals fucking up all their projects with dumb shit that pushed normie audiences away + the arrow must go up at all costs, AI! Fire people! Throw everything off the boat!The answer is a little bit of everything people are bitching about. Humans are stupid and go to the next shiny thing like a moth without realizing what they had was fine and now they are all paying the consequences. We are paying the consequences. It'll either be a small blip in the radar or possibly the downfall of American commerce/civilization the way modern business is conducted. It's much more than just our entertainment. I'm convinced data centers and AI and the internet will be our downfall. We're getting too advanced but we're not smart enough to use it or make the right decisions.
>>153703129Tech disruptors don't care. The entire business model is basically a scam where they come in, undercut the original model with cheap pricing and convenience and then go boiling frog on people with pricing so they can make as much money as possibe until it's time to jump ship when the inevitability of the whole scheme collapsing starts to show appear.
>>153702942Yuppies started to feel the consequences of their own actions, but they're not aware of irony.
>>153702965>Decades of inbreeding lead to deformitiesbroken clock time
>>153703897Art students are not yuppies.
>>153702894>make bad cartoons>blacklist everyone who doesn't like the new shows>be left with retards
>>153703980Then whatever the term is for those sheltered idiots who never saw anything outside of their not-poor communities
>>153703042Hollywood live action is doing terribly anon
>>153704023>bourgeois
>>153703392No the videogame industry has been firing tons of people over the last couple years, its job market's terrible
>>153703524Fundamentally, the problem is that organizations aren't actually motivated to solve the problem they were originally asked to solve any more, they're motivated to act as resource extractors for their owners. Cronyism is merely a consequence of nobody ever being held accountable for their own dumbass decisions because unlimited money is always available to bail out organizations run by people who no longer contribute anything close to what they earn.
>>153704047Doubly ironic, I like it.
>>153703205Social media was that dekivery platform. But the suits all but killed it when they realized anyone could be the next disney or hannah barbera.
>>153704035>Hollywood live actionIs Hollywood doing anything besides live action?
>>153704199Is this the time to start advertising stuff in real spaces?
>>153704221Every Hollywood company that has animation studios? Like Disney for example?
>>153703959Weird to talk about broken clocks while the industry is still failing to sell Rick & Morty/Beanmouth style shows>>153704035“Doing terribly” is above “deceased, veterans are leaving because they have no hope for jobs”Its a matter of graduations (not in the college sense)
>>153704373Somehow it didn't click to me they're part of Hollywood, too.
>>153704373Are all their animators sperging at the same time?
>>153702675Is there video?
>>153702675Modern artists and animators have such an inflated opinion of their importance in society..Every. Single. Time they are put in their place with schools closing, hit with job redundancies, pay rates decrease, I celebrate.Everyone loves seeing arrogant cunts being humiliated. You should make a cartoon about it!
>>153702894Combination of a lot of bad cartoons, most of the audience fucking off to either AIslop or anime, and streaming bringing in no money for the actual studios.>>153703392The video game industry is in the same place as the animation studio, where the western industry is collapsing while hiring is heading overseas (mostly in China, since most of the collapse is due to Chinese companies backing out of all of the major investment in western studios they were doing throughout the late 2010s and early 2020s, in favor of investing in their own domestic market now that they've seen that they can make plenty of money just selling to their domestic market and the rest of Asia).Basically, we're slowly seeing western entertainment be phased out, and with Hollywood being in decline since COVID, this was kind of the natural conclusion.Plus, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but a LOT of the people still into western media are either poor first worlders or third worlders living in poor third world countries (mostly Hispanics). The immigrants coming over from places like India, China, SEA, etc. etc. give literally 0 fucks about western entertainment for the most part, so a lot of these countries have impoverished their native populace and imported a populace that flat-out will not buy their products.It's kind of fucking wild to observe.
>>153704023Leaders.
>>153703110where's my email, guy
>>153703377>Youtube is the platform>Merchandise is the revenueI'm hoping The Amazing Digital Circus causes this to sink in for everyone. Make a show with appealing characters people want to buy, give them the show for free and then sell the plastic at an obscene markup. It is a return to the 1980s model of "glorified toy commercial", except you manufacture the toys to make a commercial about and you can make that commerical in any way you want, as long as it sells.
>>153704858Thing is you can only make "safe" shows.Anything with actual nudity or gore will get you deplatformed instantly. Not much different from cable tv, but it seems you can get away with even less now.
>>153702675Is this even real?
>>153704890For now. My guess is there will be enough AI slop cluttering all traditional pipelines that we are going to need new ways of uploading/sorting etc., and that is going to allow for more specialized services that serve specialized content.
>>153704949>and that is going to allow for more specialized services that serve specialized contentGeneral populace will ignore that or those will be sabotaged by big corpos.
>>153704938see>>153703697
>>153703392>I was under the impression animation in the video game industry was doing reasonably well?Triple A games have had a mass exodus of layoffs- it's arguably worse.
>>153702695You're a no-talent piece of shit! You impose your lack of talent in awe of anybody around here whether people want to endure it or not! GET OUT!
>>153704153we have a rampant problem in western culture, the death of accountability. But I'm convinced its not as simple as just the rest of us holding people accountable.Nobody likes people who do that accounting. The act itself while seen as needed is simultaneously denigrated by everyone.
>>153703649Okay Grandpa yeah people totally pay for pornography they also go to the gas station to get their smokes and their big ass girly mags. Yeah racism is over yeah yeah yeah Racism has been defeated because you masturbate to black booty.
>>153704982>or those will be sabotaged by big corpos.That's already happening with the big age verification push that's being heavily funded and lobbied for by Meta.Anyone who thinks the future of animation is on Youtube is either a retard or a child.
>>153703697Lol, that black chick who came up and tried to use her race card to go full "BACK IN MY DAY" was fucking hilarious.
>>153703697The nog boomer just goes MUH RAICISM on them. Good, they deserve getting shit on. They support this type of shit, let them rot.
>>153702675>>153702695He didn't really get the chance to say much, just some generic platitudes. The booing started the moment he got on stage.Ravi Rajan is just incredibly unpopular in general since he's abusing his position to enrich himself while the entire industry is slowly collapsing. He's also known for getting rid of any teaching staff he thinks is too old (publicly calling them "dinosaurs") and replacing them with his personal friends.
>>153705063If porn wasn't selling, conservatives would have nothing to run on.
>>153705097Well this is a side effect of the over inflation of value during covid of the tech industry, now they actually have to turn a profit and no one knows how to do that anymore across the board. All the low hanging fruit have been picked and marketed so now they have to actually come up with new models but known as a clue what to do that's why AI is getting so much funding is because the only thing that's sort of moving forward. If there's any failure in that or even if there's a massive breakthrough the markets are going to freak out because they're burning through everything to try to keep that one market going. Animation is kind of a dead industry because of who's going to throw money at it used to be apple was throwing huge amounts of money then too Pixar and Disney. How the market hasn't even factored in that the Iranian conflict could actually start up again and oil prices could even go up further is mind-boggling. The market is living in la la land pretending that everything going to continuously go up and there's not going to be any shocks in the system. Other problems are just the lack of innovation in the industry to try to get distribution up they don't know how to do Other problems are just the lack of innovation in the industry to try to get distribution up they don't know how to do it
>>153705103The only stuff that makes money is only fans and the rest make money through selling your personal information to date a brokers and hackers
>>153702675Somehow my shady art school is better than CalArts
>>153705042Nobody in power wants to hold anyone else in power accountable because they're all corrupt to the gills and tu quoque is in full effect. All of the accountability-evading tools are protected because it benefits the people who abuse systems of power to have them available when they inevitably need them in the future.Basically, nobody in any position to fix the system from the inside is allowed to do so without going down with the system themselves. This is the real reason why hellfire clubs and freaky cult shit goes on in elite circles: They want everyone compromised, and anyone who isn't compromised is silently kept away from the real levers of power by those who are. As soon as corruption becomes a supermajority, there's no going back because they don't WANT to go back.
>>153705097I wonder why American teaching institutes have out-of-touch indian boomers at the helm. This goes for most American companies in general.
>>153705189Liberals see brown skin and think "wow, how diverse, we need him running our company, who cares if he's a moron with a fake degree who only cares about enriching himself and his friends, he's brown!" while conservatives see an Indian and think "wow, the perfect yes-man, those people have a literal caste system, they'll be perfect for leading the permanent underclass in our technofeudalist society project!"
>>153703697huh, what got them stoked up in the first place?
>>153705287Why don't you just cut the bullshit and admit rich niggers own your ass, and there's nothing anyone can do about it?We vs We bullshit ass retard.
>>153705316Read the thread.
>>153705338seems like the answer is >>153705097 i suppose.
>>153705337I don't think you understood my post at all.
>>153702912Excellent. God speed, saar.
>>153705287He's not some random immigrant. He was born in fucking Seattle. He's also got the credentials to justify his position. Seriously, at least look that shit up before starting the mindless seething, it's all public record.The issue isn't that he's a dumb pajeet diversity hire, the issue is that he's yet another rich asshole actively making the world worse for everyone else just to improve his own position.
>>153703806If you only knew
>>153705430His parents both immigrated from Mumbai. Both his sisters were born in Mumbai. They only came to America to shit him out and make him a Mutt citizen by technicality.America already realised how fraudulent the “get pregnant then fly to the states to trick us into giving you citizenship” scam is and that’s why they got rid of it.
>>153703570Every industry is stupid as fuck in today's market. We abandoned reality for number go up more than half a century ago and in this brave post-Welch world making sense is a liability.C-suites get paid their bonuses based on stock price, not profit, so the only skill that truly matters is convincing major investors and stockholders that you can make the stock rise.I worked as a tech consultant and "sales engineer" (read: the poor fuck that has to pitch and spec projects) at a major telecom software provider and went around seeing what value our tech could offer these companies.The upper management in these companies are half-retarded con artists to a man. We had a very specific and very useful product but trying to explain its benefits and limitations to these motherfuckers was like trying to teach calculus to a dog. They either nodded their head and took whatever plan I recommended (rarely, these people have a pathological need to talk) or else went on asinine tangents about ideas for our software that might as well have been fucking magic.
I like how you can tell who ITT is still mentally stuck in 2016 and fighting decade old culture war phantoms that aren't really relevant to anything anymore.
>>153705287Do I get to be a technoknight?
>>153705144>Other problems are just the lack of innovation in the industry to try to get distribution up they don't know how to doEverything that might actually work to turn things around is seen as too risky, so they'll slowly fail and won't be able to bring themselves to do otherwise. Absolute failure of leadership culture.
>>153702675>even attending calarts after witnessing the absolute state of entertainment if you want to light that much money on fire at least go on a vacation or something
>>153705583am i one of them?
>>153705583No amount of your womanly faggy dismissal will ever make us suck the cocks of foreign rapist invaders like you do.
>>153702894>Why did the animation industry suddenly get fucked so hard?how long ago did tiktok release?
>>153702912I assume JD Vance is going to give him a medal.
>$62,954 tuition>$18,000 housing>$6,952 meal plan
>>153705756Holy shit. And I thought Yookay was bad
>>153705756all for the privilege of eventually making less than a subway employee. If you're lucky.
>>153705583Literally this month we had a huge cancellation attempt and extended VA harassment campaigns by half the Glitch Productions fanbase because seven years ago one of the VAs said "nega" in a joking way. If you think anyone is going to just politely look away from the SJW era, when your ilk continues to engage in this exact same social policing and censorious behavior, you are genuinely delusional.
>>153705786If your show is good you will be able to sell your original art for years to come
>>153702695>Asuka is better than Rei
>>153705583I'm hearing phantoms squirm real good right about now.
>>153703697He sounds like the dean from Community.
You could fund 7 to 8 episodes of a show on par with monkey wrench, or you could go to calarts
>>153705799>your ilkWhy do you assume I'm part of "them" you dipshit? You just said it was an attempt. Was it actually successful? Sounds like it wasn't if you can only label it as an attempt. Unironically using SJW in Current Year+10 shows how stuck in the past you are, these people don't have near the power they used to and like you they too are stuck in 2016. The both of you pine for the Trump I culture wars because it's the last time you felt as if you had any sort of power to make up for the fact you live in a world spiralling downward economically that you have no control over because covid killed the SJW/anti-SJW shit by fucking up the economy so badly.
>>153705799>Literally this month we had a huge cancellation attempt and extended VA harassment campaigns by half the Glitch Productions fanbase because seven years ago one of the VAs said "nega" in a joking wayShit, really? Those kids are fucking rabid.
>>153705935>that doesn't happen anymore>yes it does>okay but it doesn't count!!!I call you "your ilk" because your ilk has used this exact same excuse, constantly. When you succeed, that is evidence that everyone agrees with you and you are just being a heccin good person, chud. When you fail, it is proof that you are all just harmless smol beans with no institutional power and people are just being mean to you for no reason, the chuds.Everyone who is not willfully blind knows we are on the verge of a serious apocalypse. But until the gas riots start, I will absolutely hold you and your kind responsible for derailing Occupy Wall Street with, yes, SJW garbage.
>>153705020Did you not read the rest of the post? I said outside of AAA games because they're the most likely to outsource stuff to slop farms in India. There's still a decent amount of AA gaming studios that are doing alright.
>>153706004The apocalypse happened in 2020. We lost.We are living in the end days of humanity as you know it.
>>153702675Good
>>153705583what do you consider to be from 2016?
>>153706107Look, buddy, I know you think you are blowing my mind right now, but we all know about covid/IgG4 immune collapse and Weimar hyperinflation by now. The fact that we can waste electricity on stupid shit like internet cartoons means we are still in The Good Days. And as long as we continue to have The Good Days, I will happily use them to curse you for derailing the last chance we may have had to turn things around on cheerleading LGBT Pride Sponsored by Raytheon and JP Morgan.
>>153703697Her entire speech amounted to>Excuse me, I'm an important person and you guys are disrespecting me!
>>153703697How in the fuck are you going to try to shush an angry booing mob?
>>153706243Genuine, unfiltered rich privilege from years of being in upper-class yuppie boardrooms surrounded by other upper-class yuppie consultants like herself that leads to her being completely disconnected from reality.
>>153706243Some people just have it, you wait for the booo to reach it's natural conclussion and flip the bird so they start again
>30+ years complaining about beanmouth
>>153706004Was it successful? Answer the question.
>>153706441Good question. We won't know until the VAs are or are not hired for the next project, by which point you will retreat into "that's ancient history" you disingenuous slime.
>>153703796For some reason, in 2019 EVERYONE wanted to have their own exclusive streaming service. Specific channels like TLC, Lifetime, and CBS had their own streaming services. Tiny companies with only a few things to their name wanted to have their own exclusive streaming service. Individuals were trying to drum up money to make a brand new streaming service even though they had no content to their name. It was like some kind of studio gold rush.
>18 years since CN viewership peaked
>>153706474Sounds like a "no" from me, dog, which means that they lack the power they had 10 years ago and you're proving my point.
>>153702894>suddenlylol, lmaoIn no particular order, though leaning chronological:>digital animation getting cheap and easy enough that it killed hand-drawn stuff>digital animation offering tools and cheats that are impossible to ignore (like tweening)>digital animation heavily discouraging the use of proper lighting and shading>HD / widescreen making art more expensive in general>art colleges slowly leaning towards abstract/simple art that represents your struggles with transitioning instead of focusing on skill or effort>DVRs getting popular and common, reducing the number of watched ads and losing toy sales>the rise in media about emotions and personal stories, as opposed to media about cool shit kids like>streaming being a thing, further losing toy sales and ad revenue>theaters getting fucked due to streaming>Youtube becoming a staple loaded with a gazillion shows to pick from in any niche you want>"mature adults" thinking anything animated is for kids>shitloads of people switching to anime>the push for DEI/ESG stuff in media making it nearly unwatchable sometimes>more and more specialized equipment and tools being made somewhere inside China's ass>most of the old hats that could do animation properly are dying/dead>physical media dying, meaning most media gets watched once and makes money once and that's it>most modern media being so ass that when they inevitably flop, the takeaway is "nobody likes this anymore" rather than "wow, we sure made some hot garbage!"
>>153706635>the harrassment was current, but we won't know the effects on their careers until we see more of their careers. actions that occur now may have effects in the future. >that is literally too complex for me to conprehendOkay sport, run along now and complain about bikini catgirls being sexy or whatever other extremely important thing it is you do between harrassing VAs.
>>153705144>How the market hasn't even factored in that the Iranian conflict could actually start up againIt ended? I thought the pool was still closed?
>>153706629that's about the same time calarts enrollment peaked
>>153705176>Nobody in power wants to hold anyone else in power accountableagree> they're all corrupt to the gills and tu quoque is in full effect. i dont know that this isn't a non-sequitor. Are we trying to say this is the symptom, or the cause? or something else?I'm just not so sure. Its too shallow and self-serving an answer to just say they're all corrupt, because it seems unlikely that every last one of them starts out that way. Here's what I mean:> They want everyone compromised, and anyone who isn't compromised is silently kept away from the real levers of power by those who are.where you're (and many others) are running to the conspiratorial element, I'm just not convinced that explains everything. It seems just as likely or moreso to me that people and culture at the individual level do not have any orienting principal toward accountability. I think it came with post modernism as one of the quieter but most insidious outcomes is that by calling into question all interpretations, it permits an individual to basically dismiss the idea of external/spiritual accountability beyond one's own selfishness. Maybe all the conspiracy stuff you're on is true, but i think the culture has to be weak to explain the possibility of such a thing taking place in the first place.
>>153706804NTA but we're in a holding pattern right now where the situation continues to slowly deteriorate and WILL get worse relatively soon (culminating in actual genuine famines calendar year 2027), but not as bad as they could be if Israel forces another round of open engagements, which they will. There is a reasonable possibility that the US, out of options, resorts to nuking Iranian missile cities at Israel's behest (external war is the only way to avoid civil war) and an attempt to avoid another Suez humiliation, at which point the entire situation goes from "long term apocalypse" to "immediate apocalypse."
>>153706892>i dont know that this isn't a non-sequitor. Are we trying to say this is the symptom, or the cause? or something else? Think about it like this:Have you ever been at a company where people covered each other's asses when it came to not doing their jobs?At first, maybe two or three people covered for each other slacking off, and everyone else was too busy doing their job to double-check. Then more and more of them did. The people who complained about this individually get blown off because they can never produce any proof that the others are lying, the people that are lying exclude and punish those who "rat out" their waste, fraud, and abuse, and everyone else is too busy trying to do their job to get involved. Over time, the people that would normally do their job realize that they're not gonna get punished for slacking off and do exactly that.Eventually, there are more people slacking off than doing their job. However, the function of that part of the business is so vital that even a half-assed job is better than throwing out the whole office, because they (quite literally) can't afford the disruption of firing and replacing everyone at once. Which means the problem will never get fixed, because anyone they send to fix the problem will either get ignored or corrupted. The only fail state that actually fixes the situation is the whole company going under or suffering a hostile takeover by a more competent company, removing the corrupt organization by the roots and forcing people to do their damn job.>It seems just as likely or moreso to me that people and culture at the individual level do not have any orienting principal toward accountability. I think it came with post modernism as one of the quieter but most insidious outcomes is that by calling into question all interpretations, it permits an individual to basically dismiss the idea of external/spiritual accountability beyond one's own selfishness.There's that too.
>>153702942
>>153706923I hope that possibility is wrong. I'd like to think those in charge of using nukes would simply refuse the order. Some Soviet captain did that during the cold war. Basically a missile base had faulty software and got a false positive, saying there was a nuke incoming. Standard protocol was to fire back, but the Soviet guy was like "This reading makes no sense, I don't think there's a nuke." So he did nothing, and was right. I think they still retired him for it, though.I miss when the worst thing going on was pony reaction image spam.
>go half a million dollars in debt for art degree>graduate >all the art jobs disappear >if you complain people call you a antisjwGood
I used to live near Calarts and the people there are insufferable. The hallways of the campus smell like fucking weed.
>>153703622>>153705097Alright good to know. Sounds like his actions are unpopular enough to not warrant any respect and politeness from the students he shortchanged.
>>153702942Don't read up who was supporting the Civil War back in the day.
>>153704160The most rabid commies have always been the most bourgeois. Champagne socialist is a term for a reason.
>>153705756If you wonder where all these job loses are from, its from good ol' CA.Its always fucking CA inflating the numbers.
>>153702705>All these replies not getting the jokePeople don't even bother to click on the OP image anymore huh
>>153705583>thing is literally happening right now>"duh, I cant believe you care about thing that happened over a decade ago, even though it's directly reponsible for what's happening today!!1!!111"
>>153702675great! That's the the studio whose people should've suffered an arsonist attack,not poor Kyoanithe world is so unfair
>>153703036Why did you boo the man?
>>153707920calarts is a school, not a studio.
Boomers saw an entire subcontinent of the dumbest, most imcompotent, most morally bankrupt people in the world and were all, "We need those to manage our businesses."
>>153705024M I D G E T
>>153706408Every year until you stop it.
>>153707920Don't post ever again.
>>153708033my point stands >>153708161pussy
I don't get it. Why don't they just make better shows?
>>153702853Ther’s nowt an’mation jobs lad, first the mill now this.
>>153702947The downhill was happening before AI, lets not kid ourselves.AI just helped kick it down faster.
>>153702695Yum Yum, that spaghetti sure was good! Belch
>>153708556they exist to shit out random crap made for currupting children,not to entertain
>>153703283>For the first time in their livesCome on now
>>153703050Why?
>>1537028941. Animation as a medium is not suited for streaming to make profit. It's suited for broadcast tv and syndication. However everyone on the distribution end stupidly went all in on streaming thinking they'd all get Netflix money. 2. Animation is expensive and everyone having HD big screen tvs mean they can't put out cheap animation and figure nobody will notice or care. 3. Animation needs to push merch which is where the money always was. Kids don't play with toys anymore.
>>153708679Anon, they're art school kids in their 20s.Yes, for the first time in their lives, you should know by now how sheltered these people are.
>>153708701>20s>first time>kidsSnap back to reality.
>>153708740What part of "sheltered" do you not understand?
>>153708740retard
>>153708740Anon is right. If you've spend your entire life growing up in a liberal bubble where everything was provided to you despite poor choices your 20s are where you are finally gonna see the real world and have to deal with the consequences. Which is basically how it goes if California
>>153708679There are a frighteningly large amount of people that have never experienced any difficulty or strife in their lives until age 24 or so having spent their entire lives up to that point either in school or partying on Daddy's dime especially in SoCal which is where most of these students are from. The large amount of tiktoks of people out of school having meltdowns about being expected to now work for the majority of their lives for the next 40 years has made that clear
>>153708691You have to hire more people from a union with higher minimums
>>153708943Probably doesn't help tiktok/streaming/youtube pays more than minimum wage these days which enables this behavior further.
>>153705583Nuh uh they're still heavily embedded in the psyche of calarts students and other liberal-minded types.Here’s a simple check: would they ever introduce their pilot by saying “Here’s my girl character, she's a sexy babe”? No, that triggers alarms in their head (even if silent ones) that they're being sexist, trans-exclusionist, etcThat language was perfectly normal growing up from Johnny Bravo, video games magazines, etc but Millennials unlike me in cartoons gave up on it totally.
>>153708740moron loser idiot cuck
>>153705657Calarts is a daycare center for nepo-babies these days.
I thought more people would come to the conclusion that the reason Hollywood shit itself when it came to animation and live action is because they kept trying to figure out ways to not pay many thousands of people residuals. Same thing that happened in publishing. And in doing so they limited supply, they limited access, they limited everything and they fucked themselves. Media companies would rather die than pay a lot of people even a spare penny. There's a reason everything changed after the 08 writers strike. That's the exact moment streaming took off in earnest. And there's a reason why animation completely gave up the ghost after recent strikes gave residuals to streaming and animation.
>>153708694Kids do play with toys and consume merch like its no ones business.Labubus? Remember that shit?Kids need physical toys to play with to complete the feedback loop and learn.Without it, there is nothing to learn or buy into.
>>153708987Tiktok hasnt paid anything sinve the jews bought it. Youtube has been demonotizing channels and videos thus stealing content for years now. Its almost entirely indian and jew now.
>>153708943No one gives a shit that they have to work, they're realizing how little purchasing power they have. It wasn't that long ago *that* the average job could get you a house by the time you were 30 if you started working in earnest at 22.
>>153710264Buy or get a mortgage?
>>153705430He's still a pajeet
>>153703647The management shakeups lead to the executives that tried turning CN into a reality TV channel for kids.
>>153706635>>153706441>>153705935You just proved you're a disingenuous fG
>>153702695He told them how to submit a resume at McDonald's
>>153702894Netflix toyed with animation and said nah You need something that sells toys if you are going to go for small children they should have made a serious effort, there is some Chinese boy farm song video drop shipping shit like three is no tomorrow The alternative is pandering but pandering hard I don't see people buying Bojack horseman toys no matter how popular it is they should have made an amazing digital circus or hazbin hotel and sold keychains for your keychains for your keychainsTldr shit business model
>>153702912As much as I hate Californians they don't deserve to get jeeted.
>>153703694'fraid so
>>153703697>Saaar you can't boo me saars I am a Brahmin you filthy benchods. Muh Drumpf muh climate change. Please clap>black kween rushes the stage like it's a Bernie speech>DAS RITE U RACIST CRACKAHS GIBS ME A SECOND GIBS GIBS ME A SECOND PLEASEbut no one on /co/ is going to say what the real problem is it out loud? it's like it's on the tip of all your tongues but you can't say it.
>>153702894to add on to what others have said iirc even before the pandemic cartoons just weren't making much money in generalad revenue was already drying up and turning shows into successful toylines (another revenue line that's largely drying up outside of toddler stuff, which is why all the cartoon makers pivoted to toddler stuff btw) has been an issue since the 00's reallystreaming got big during covid and animation is a hard sell because no one wants to pay for it, creators or viewersthe audience is so attuned to watching it free on tv or yt or pirated that no one buys shit
>>153703694Based Meltzer
>>153703392in general yes most animators are in vidya now even considering layoffs
>>153710295With what money
>>153704820it's pretty crazy how hard streaming hits the actual creators of shitspotify has dealt a huge blow to any musician that's not one of the like top 50 or so artists
>>153706677pretty good write upthis shit's really been building for a while, cartoons were already getting cheaper and cheaper by at least the mid 00's and cartoon toylines from that time were pretty nonexistent/bad and not making creators any money, killing off action cartoons at first but getting to everyone eventually
>>153708694you're not wrong but labubu's were more adultsbut yeah in general toys DO still get played with but it's mostly the toddler range that's held up like paw patrol and bluey's sheer dominance
>>153703649like 99% of attempted porn artists are starving my manthe markets too fucking saturated knowonly ones that can really get by are 3rd worlders where first world currencies go farthercheck a porn artists twitter next time and you'll find a post or two in spanish or portugeseso fucking many of them are from south of the border
>>153705756maybe trying to have everything in entertainment forced into a small slice of california was a bad idea for cost of living therepeople need to fucking disperse into the west/mid west state jfc
>>153711428im surprised they dont just cater to the chinese and indians. its just a numbers game at that point, why restrict yourself to 340 million people, and draw porn that appeals to americans, when you can appeal to nearly 3 billion? with nearly ten times the possible customers, you can scrape the bottom of the barrel and do fine. something that only appeals to 1% of 340 million is close to something that appeals to .1% of 3 billion, so its even easier. like, there might be 10,000 americans who are into shitting dick porn, then you can expect 100,000 people in india and china combined to be interested in shitting dick nipple porn. much easier to sell niche as fuck low quality degeneracy if theres 10 times as many possible customers.
>>153702675Will we get Texarts instead? Colarts? Connarts?
>>153702705>'fraid so
>>153711482I've fucking always hated thats never been a priority among the """"""conservative"""""" crowd. Like if they hate lefty art so fucking much then why not invest inwards towards their own artists and lift em up through state programs and shit? Actually fucking compete with fucking Hollywood.>>153711578Not a fucking chance in hell. Being easy on taxes doesnt mean those states actually ever care to invest or prop up this kind of work. Not like you see Scott Peterson's studio in Utah ever getting any actual fucking original work getting pumped out by the state.
>>153708694Man in regard to that last point I can never actually gauge that fucking shit. Like unless your a mainline Disney/Pixar animated film I hardly ever see fucking merch. The most I ever see is maybe fucking books like the recent Owl House book or the Gravity Falls book but I never see merch for any fucking tv show or film, and if I do it comes from bootleg manufacturers, like despite KPOP Demon hunters being this massive fucking hit actual official merch was hardly ever a thing until just recently.It could also be a factor of since everything is streaming and a good chunk of people opt out of ads for the service they also lost a chance of self promotion for their own toys so they fucked themselves. But I dunno man like when the PowerPuff Girls reboot was gearing up I saw a shit ton of merch lined up for that show but I dont see any other show get that treatment. They kind of get fucked from the start
>>153710654...for less than one year, 20 years agoIt might be time to get the fuck over CNreal since that was not even a complete season of shows and it ended many decades ago. Why you people still bitch and moan about that shows some advanced level arrested development.
>>153702853Ironic since Steven Silver quit Disney, moved out of LA and is teaching at SCAD in Georgia now.
>>153712339They don’t want to put the effort to create with their own alternative to Hollywood - they want to take over Hollywood, plain and simple.Left vs right has always been one big king of the hill power wrestle - they want the powerful institution that is already established, but only if they are the ones in charge.
>>153702912Exquisite, it's like watching a wasp land on a nettle. Keep on doing the needful, saar.
>>153703042I too am a huge The Devil Wears Prada 2 fan
>>153703423I think the hope a lot of Youtube creators are chasing is that even if they can't get money through youtube directly, they can get enough fans to draw some onto their Patreon/subscribestar/Discord/whatever preferred secondary platform with better income streams
>>153703362There was a time when there was really only Netflix and it was glorious, then suddenly everyone wants a piece of the pie and it goes to shit.
>>153705583Personally I've never stopped hating both sides.
>>153702776calart nepobabies would have bursted into cheers at this message. They love that no effort garbage
>>153702695"futa is gay"
>>153711534>im surprised they dont just cater to the chinese and indians.Probably because porn is illegal in China and Indians are 99.99999% poorfags who won't actually pay for porn.
>>153703697>to tell people who are financially struggling now, in a very shitty economy, how hard you had it back the economy was a lot betterI have to deal with this every single day and you have no idea how infuriating this is. boomers who landed a salary job at 25 with a third of the requirements they ask you now at the same age to get a non-renewable 2-year contract.
>>153713458They do beg for free art and nudes a lot though.
>>153706677>nearly unwatchable sometimeslol?
>>153711428How come first world dollars don't go far in the first world?
>>153713485figure out what "first world" means and you'll know why
>>153713461and then they complain about not being able to hire.
>>153702965Guy, have you ever posted on /v/? I want to see you make the exact same claim there and share your findings
>>153703697>the drag queen at the endbeyond parody
>Why is the industry collapsing?
>>153702894>suddenlythis nigga is underaged confirmed
>>153706677>the push for DEI/ESG stuff in media making it nearly unwatchable sometimesYeah, so unwatchable that woke stuff is winning awards and earning millions
>>153713730Lmaoooo
>>153713566And this is why I use AI. I hope they stay unemployed.
good sirning mors
>>153713791it’s funny how all the events throughout the history of animation and art in general has led to this, yet many people choose to ignore it or refuse to believe it
>>153713825Walt was warning us.
>>153703377>Give people a FREE product, I know, that sounds bad to billionaires ears, but in the age of piracy that's all you can do. And if people actually like that thing, they will pay to support it.The problem is this is a very risky model, even back in the day with GI Joe and Transformers those shows were still making back "some" their own money and tended to be driven entirely by the financial safetynet of major companies like hasbro or marvel. You're going to kill your studio if you spend a million dollars producing a series for FREE in the hopes people buy some toys for an Ip that didn't exist until last week. The big boys back in the day could get away with this because they had the scale to manage risk, this isn't a viable strategy for an entire indie industry to thrive.Glitch is in a unique position and got lucky, but the next guy following glitch (and virtually everyone after) is going to die a month after their first release when the algo doesn't boost them to 200 MILLION views in the first month and payroll is doe for everyone.
>>153706107Who are you, MovieBob?
If you work in a company that has a jeet in a position of authority, that's basically the death kneel of your job.
>>153714038Either that, or one of the "red deer" people making a new apocalyptic prediction.
>>153703377>Merchandise is the revenueThat's been the case since at least the 90s. Studios by and large made the cartoons because the federal government strong-armed them into making "age-appropriate content" way back when, and because animation has always been hella expensive, the studios made the shows to either break-even until syndication and make up the profits through merchandise, or were like Hasbro and made the shows more-or-less merchandise-driven. My Little Pony, The Simpsons, TMNT, Transformers, etc, wouldn't exist if the merchanise sales weren't there.
>>153713485Exchange your dollars with any other currency and see how far you go with that.
>>153710264Maybe they can buy less starbucks everday?
>>153702705I'd boo too.
>>153703425"No matter what a leftist is saying, he's really just trying to get you to stop talking"Don't engage leftists unless it is to mock them.
>>153705583>this many responsesKek, very telling
>>153705583why 2016?
>>153714617Just go and watch the year 4chan won for an abridged version.But shit got pretty retarded on all fronts, to be honest 2014 was the year most stupid shit started to cook only to spill in 2016 in this so called culture war.We should toast for another decade of retardation and bad media to consume.
>>153702695>>153702705Isn't that the question of the day?
>>153703697That's what you're supposed to do whenever some shitfaggot of politician, CEO or anyone from up there shows their face publicly.
>>153703649Not at big surprise, at this point porn has better animation quality than canonslop, just look at Invincible or the new Regular Show/Adventure time nostalgiabaits
>>153714650I think one side pulled too soon on a female president and it bit them on the ass.They did it twice and lost to a person that supposedly everyone hates.Imagine, knowing that no one wants a female president that bad they'll take the asshole over them. Imagine.
>>153702675John K won
>>153714683Well, besides the ending. They should boo the trans"woman", too.
>>153702675My condolences to all the Zoomers who grew up with the trash made by alumni of this shithole fifteen years ago.
>153713730Anon...
>>153703806>Why don’t you tell usBecause we're not dumb enough to have attended CalArts?
>>153714735They pretended his online school didn’t exist and he just did nothing after 2005 and surprisingly their cartoons full of errors he taught to avoid failed.
>>153714735He won back when he got to plap katie rice
>>153713791On his wiki, it says he's an artist and musician, but wtf has this dude even made to make him relevant in the slightest for his position other than a diversity hire most likely?Also, good riddance to CalArts, 250k for 4 years of education to come out making almost nothing, you'd be better off trying to become a Doctor or a PA at that point, or hell a Nurse with a better ROI on your time and money.Also, fuck those nepo-babies too.
>>153703001>It’s almost like live action is cheaper than animation!LA One Piece's success pretty much validated live action adaptations for animated and drawn works. Why make faux anime or Invincible type stuff when you can go live action and reach a wider audience?
>>153703129It also isn't profitable since the subscription model isn't feasible for the massive expense that is film and TV. This is why we had PPV years back. Because that was more practical. Execs didn't think this through.
>>153702675That's the problem with the west. Dude had to ask a woman if HE wanted to continue. Can't do shit without some woman's go-ahead.
>>153715805Invincible is bigger show than Netflix One Piece despite One Piece being a bigger franchise overall. So there are advantages to animation over live action. One Piece being cartoony is literally a part of it's appeal, and the main character getting The Mask-style toonforce powers in recent years solidifies that.
>>153715846>Invincible is bigger show than Netflix One PieceGlobally?
>>153715857One Piece draws a much larger worldwide audience. Backed by Netflix's massive global subscriber base and decades of existing franchise fame, its live-action seasons regularly pull in hundreds of millions of viewing hours internationally.Invincible is an incredibly strong performer for Amazon Prime Video, but its total raw viewership numbers are smaller by comparison.Both shows are the crown jewels of their respective streaming platforms. Whenever new episodes drop, both Invincible (on Prime) and One Piece (on Netflix) routinely capture the No. 1 TV spot globally on their networks.Invincible holds a massive grip on Western social media, forums, and meme culture. Because of its shocking twists, intense drama, and weekly release schedule, it generates constant viral clips, fan discussions, and highly recognizable memes.While One Piece is widely discussed, Invincible often feels more dominant in online fan spaces like Reddit, X (Twitter), and 4chan.Bottom Line, One Piece wins on sheer global scale and total audience size, while Invincible wins on concentrated internet hype and cultural buzz in Western markets.
>>153714617Because Trump le bad and his supporters le bad and nobody at all was conservative or racist on 4chan before he arrived to the scene.
>>153715846>One Piece being cartoony is literally a part of it's appealAt least as far as the US domestic landscape is concerned the cartoony-ness is actually what kept it as the laughing stock of the big 3 for over 20 years. OP only saw massive success in the US after both AoT brought about a massive influx of normies into the anime watching space and the pandemic left people with the time to actually watch 1000+ fucking episodes of dogshit via binge watching sessions on Netflix (the entire reason Netflix even attempted the LA OP is because of those metrics).
>>153715923Imagine if someone decides to make a live action Dragon Ball show. Or even live action Demon Slayer.
>>153702705Mr President what an honor!
>>153716058Dragon ball nahDemon slayer maybe if it's still popular by the next decade
>>153716136>Demon slayer maybe if it's still popular by the next decadeIt's already made more money than GTA and is just below Jurassic Park revenue-wise. They'd be nuts to not try.
>>153715965IRONIC!We were IRONIC RACISTS!
>>153713553>>153713566>Indian walks off to Boos>announce next guy, wild cheers and applause>must be someone they love that’s gonna fix it allThen this tranny struts on in poison dartfrog colors and starts dancing and being a fag.They got their priorities in order I see
>>153711218Wrong. Californians (via the tech industry) are the biggest jeet-importer supporters in the US, they need to feel the burn to or they'll keep calling (you) crazy for having the tech and medical job markets decimated by imported indian labor.
>>153716166What is this power? How did it get this big?
>>153716166They should have tried it three years ago to capitalize on itOne piece only got the live action because Wano made it blow up and got more people into it with the anime
>>153716235Demon Slayer and Chainsaw Man started making theatre-release movies instead of seasons.Turns out they work really well. They didn’t used a decade ago, I guess the anime industry wasn’t ready to do that yet
>>153716261>One piece only got the live action because Wano made it blow up and got more people into it with the animeI don't think this is accurate timing wise, wano was already a year in by the time the broader US audience was getting into OP... Also a little hard to believe episode ~900 is what got more people interested in the anime in large enough numbers to drive a live action release.>>153716384Yeah the anime landscape has changed quite a bit post pandemic.
>>153716384>Demon Slayer anime movie actually outsold a Superman Hollywood movieThis is the biggest sign, the scales have changed.
>>153716194No we weren't. We were unironic, milder racists.
>>153705583TDS has been going on for so long now there are children now turning up on this very website who have been raised into it like a fucking religion by their millennial parents. Anyone who thinks 4chan changed significantly from 2016 onward was not old enough to be online unsupervised before that point.
>>153702675>>153702705>>153703694>>153703806>>153705484You just gotta love /pw/sters, you just gotta
>>153702853bc ai slop is a threat to them, which is true, people no longer hire illustrator graphic ads designer to design their store banner and such, people can just use most boring stale color of ai slop for their advertisement.
>>153716572Who decided it was no longer acceptable to criticize the president?
>>153716714Reddit literally does this by the minute, what are you talking about?
>>153716572Anon please remember our goal was to remain anonymous so this kids don't know about project chanology
>>153716572People were saying 4chan changed and making fun of election tourists back in 2019 so this makes no sense.
>153714380Yes, very telling that everyone is calling you out on your bullshit.
>>153716731Why should I care what Reddit does?
>>153705935>your honor, I only attempted to murder him, so I basically didnt commit any crime.
>>153716731Reddit is an open propoganda tool. Who gives a shit what those creepy fucks think?
>>153705657Thing is, these are the graduating seniors like >>153702853 said, the industry was alive when they got there 4 years ago. Calarts still guaranteed jobs just for going there.But now they have no chance in hell of landing anything.
>>153702912not a single fucking source and you retards are are believing itnot that it would surprise me but show your fucking work fag
>>153708694Kids go after toys of the only things made for them these days. Which is largely Digital Circus, FNAF, and Poppy Playtime. Everything else was hijacked by adult collectors and speculators.
>>153716957calarts has info about buying the mansion just for him on their own website. As institutional housing it's meant to be used for events and things as well when they need it, but it hasn’t been used for that in the 5 years he’s been living in it. Nonprofit tax records are also public which show his salary and expenses.
>>153703362Cable was already kind of going to shit even before everyone tried to get in on streaming. Shit was too expensive, full of ads, and most people only watched a handful of channels. I personally cut the cord around 2010 because there just wasn't anything I wanted to watch, and YouTube and vidya were enough to occupy my free time. Also I got a cheap antenna to pick up a few OTA channels for when I just wanted something in the background.
>>153708943I thought they mentally break and become Disney Adults.
>>153708987It also has the promise of potentially making them rich and famous so it attracts lots and lots of idiots to try and flood the place with their low effort crap.
>>153709989Another anon went over it but it does seem like the 2010s saw every studio trying desperately to figure out more and more ways to make the animation process cheaper by having smaller teams and paying their employees less and less.
>>153713730>earning millions
>>153716513Column A, column B, 4chan was always edgy but then edgy took on a political dimension and in a paradoxical way became mainstream.
>>153716661The perfusion of AI slop in local advertising is sad but also I suppose a sign that for normies it will always be upscale Clipart.
>>153713377Like >>153717048 said, YouTube has the promise that one day they might be discovered and made into rich famous celebrities some day if they keep trying. >>153709989it's actually a really old tactic. ?Like what happebned with the author of Forest Gump, studios have been historically working double and triple time to try to find ways to NOT pay their employees and screw over people they work with. It's the reason anyone working in Hollywood need to constantly hire expensive lawyers for all contract agreements. Even people they like and want to work with they will still attempt to fuck over. And Studios are the ultimate example of the executives making millions trying to pay their low level employees less than pennies and looking for more ways to pay even less than that every day.
I work in a massive corporate. Anyone who pretends 'SJWs don't have power' is an actual retard. Every large meeting/presentation starts with an acknowledgement of the original owners of the land, there's departments that exist entirely for representation of whatever. Anyone who wanted to know about the DEI policies of, say, Netflix could find out easily. Willful ignorance. The people who lobby personally on these things are never genuine and never actually looking to discuss anything and can only perceive any pushback as wrong and evil. >>153713730Found one.I don't think anyone should waste time on pondering it and instead just seek out good cartoons, even if they're old. You aren't going to do anything about it being lose sleep, and whether you consider yourself to be on the winning side, the losing side, a victim, whatever, if you're not in the industry then 'being informed' is less useful than memorising 200 worm facts. With the latter you could compost or something, probably.
>>153702675You get what you deserve, years of the those tumblr nepobabbies millenial have killed the industry
>>153713961We actually see 1-2 new pilots a month, every month. Everyone collectively forgets about them for this exact reason. They are usually nothing special, no one really does much about them, and they just sort of fade from public memory and are never heard from again.Studios rarely if ever pick up pilots form people any more. No one has the capability to make merch for their work. so majority of pilots are just an interesting thing for a day or two then gone.
>>153716219Thing is, their careers and lives would be destroyed if they did anything but blind praise to the troon king there.
>>153717180
>>153715835Kek'd>>153715923AI generated content. Superfluous mentions of which channel each thing is on, got example.
>>153717180It's alive through groups that mostly go around the nation suing any company that is not giving proper amount of lip service. Most people here have no idea about the groups that constantly litigate every other company around over and over again until left leaning nonsense is standard practice upheld by HR. Mostly lawyers and lawtyer activist types, they do not draw a whole lot of attention, but they will form up into pseudo companies like The Frequency, and all they do is collect information on companies not being pure enough and then get right to work litigating them.>There are groups that sue any company that does not have a correct percentage of non white, non male employees. This is not some government DEI mandate, it's action groups and lawyers that do this all on their own.>There are groups that mandate there be a certain percentage of LGBT employees, and they sue companies for not being LGBT compliant enough as well.This is why there is so much "woke" that old executives and politicians are bitching and moaning about. It's not because they saw a Gillette ad, it's because they are constantly getting HR reports and lawyer notices due to some group or another wanting to sue them over not having at least one trans employee, or one of their employees said something on twitter and somehow the whole company needs to be sued.But ad companies and studios have it way worse since everything they do is out for the public to see. They are the first ones dragged into court for violating one of their purity demands. This is why you will never ever see a non mixed race couple in any commercial ever.This >Sue them for not having enough brown/gay faces in the company photothing blew the fuck up in the early 2010s. Lawyers hiding behind moral crusading but really just getting rich quick was a common thing around 2014.
>>153716513It was absolutely real racism (acknowledgment of statistical differences in crime stats and aptitude and acknowledgment of retarded things in other cultures) and it was benign in that it was nihilistic. The imagery was good for shock value, but I would just add soon fuck with Tom Green's livestream show as jam slurs in a product naming competition.Culture wars forced obvious lies to the forefront and anything pleasant was ruined or threatened by what was at the time referred to as SJWs. When Tumblr talking points became the shit I hear in meetings at work and more frequently in nes and from creators on IPs I like, it stopped being funny. Tipping points. I went full /pol/ for a few years after 15 ish of /b/tard lulz indifference. And for a while, there were lulz on /pol/.
>>153716572>Anyone who thinks 4chan changed significantly from 2016 onwardIt obviously did. I refuse to believe this is a sincere oldfag position. There were nowhere near the amount of sustained influence campaigns, the site's reputation kept normies out and raids were common. The content and the creativity was entirely different. The only thing the same I see is fags being contrarian for (you)s
>>153702894Every industry is getting fucked right now. It's not just animation. The pandemic accelerated the western neoliberal endgame of everything being hollowed out for profit of a handful of billionaires.
>>153702912how do these shitskins keep getting in charge of places.
>>153702853
>>153717419It doesn't require some outside force to litigate. Any large enough corp has Blackrock and Vanguard as their most influential share holders through deferred voting rights. One is also the largest holder in the other. They select the board, who select the CEO, and their policies become our policies. Their investments include being the majority holders in banks. Banks then have dedicated ESG risk assessments and use their influence. There's no risk to a bank in doing this because their largest competitors are in the exact same boat. So we've got the source of loans and direct influence on the board itself. I don't question the veracity of your point, I just barely work with Legal to know one way or the other. I know of specialised consulting firms that are in effect just protection rackets where they either release a report to you for a free or release a report 'publicly because they have a right to know' that would work on a similar premise.
>>153702894Because animation is extremely time consuming and expensive meaning it isn't profitable (and never was), the only reason why why we even have an industry is because animation was subsidized by merchandise and adsStreaming killed ads for good and turns out that a decade and half of bad and ugly calarts artoons aren't rwally mercy sellers, tell me what kid is gonna buy Steven Universe merch?
Wait, what's happening?
>>153717180There’s so much old media out there that one can easily fill one’s time watching stuff from before 2016/2010/2000/whatever your ‘ruined forever’ cutoff point is. I’m in my mid 30’s and have basically been every old movie I can torrent, good, bad, weird, there’s so much media out there that I’ve never really had to bother with whatever ‘current thing’ is. Does make for limited conversations though…
>>153703275The fact every CalArt's cartoon are talking animals with sexual jokes, speak volumes
>>153717446It's the>you should have just let me gamememe. Many such cases.
>>153717614Chatgpt didn't make cartoons back then.
>>153717777Checked
>>153717777Checked and correct
>>153717777Look at those digits.
>>153702853They saw The Fungies and the Rugrats reboot on TV and said>I bet $372,000+interest that this industry is going to be golden by the time I graduate
>>153714942it's kinda fucked that the consensus is john never did anything after r&s when the man helped design standard flash and did tons of ad work, shorts, an original series and trained the last gen of talented animators
>>153716572>Anyone who thinks 4chan changed significantly from 2016 onwardthe actual shift was 2014 but nobody here is old enough to remember it.
>>153717638Overwhelming majority of them just get settlement money. Most just conjure up some case against a company, pay the court fees, and then serve. It's all just a scam to make money off companies for nothing, they know it, they never do a good enough job of hiding it, but they get to exploit so many loopholes in the current system to make themselves rich for basically nothing. >One does not need a valid reason or personal offense to bring someone to court in the US. They just need to pay the necessary fees and file with a county. >Exploiters get to hide behind the disguise of being a moral crusader looking out for the little guy and helping the helpless. Even though all they are doing is legally robbing others and enriching only themselves. They have never helped anyone.>It's common culture to just plain hate any company and want someone to take them down a peg or two so juries are almost always on their side no matter how bullshit the case may be. Honestly pretending to be a feminist and constantly suing any company that gets your attention for whatever reason you made up, while the general public adores you for "making a stand for women everywhere!" is a damn nice and lucrative gig. The reality is that they are the modern day exploiters standing on the shoulders of the law firms that took anyone and everyone to court for not being disabled compliant back in the 80s. Since everything has a wheelchair ramp, handicapped spaces, and push button bathroom doors, they needed a new thing to go crusade for to make themselves rich.
>>153716714Anon mentioned TDS, an acronym for "Trump derangement syndrome". This doesn't refer to merely criticizing Trump (for which there are plenty of valid targets), it refers to people who become deranged in their opposition to Trump. So, rather than criticize things he's actually done, they imagine fictional things to criticize, or misinterpret things in silly ways so as to find fault with him. Eghttps://x.com/NBCNews/status/785299709342654465Things like this have been mainstream in media since 2015, and they're part of a broader trend in which people become preoccupied with ideological constructs and fiction instead of the real world. Acknowledging that this sort of thing occurs is a prerequisite to fixing it.
>>153717831>oooo>THE DIGITS, HE-MAN! CHECK THEM! HAHAHAHA
>>153717851At 18 around 2021-22 they would have been almost exclusively the generation that watched Steven Universe and Gravity Falls in elementary school.
>>153717978In 2026 the terms has been overused to the point where it means anyone who is not a raging fanboy that wears their red cap, diaper, and bloody bandage on their left ear in veneration of Saint Trump.
>>153718008Thanks for providing another example.
>>153716714technically Obama>>153716731That would explain why they keep getting arrested.
>>153717978At this point I cannot give a fuck anymore, I am too damn tired of seeing TDS and Woke being used each and every day. I'm not sure I have ever seen anyone younger than 50 use either term, but the people that do point fingers and scream about their boogeyman as much as they possibly can anywhere they can.I just don't give a fuck, I want the politics to fuck off already.
>>153718008Even then, I think you have to admit there is something incredibly weird going on with the fans. I have never seen people that bizarre about a politician before. Being a super fan of a politician to any degree is already a strange thing to me. They're a fucking empty suit, in a temporary position. There is nothing to fawn over
>>153718060>I want the politics to fuck off already.What are your thoughts on sortition?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition
>>153717966If I became dictator first thing I'd do is arrest all the lawyers and throw in them in the salt mines. I think the rest of society's problems will fix themselves downstream of this.
>>153717966Suing people for free money is a hell of a lot more difficult than you think. The overwhelming majority of frivolous lawsuits fall flat on their ass. The idea that any retard can file a lawsuit and win effortlessly was made up by corpos to try to shame idiots into not suing them for legitimate reasons.
>>153717966It does paint a picture why the executive complaining about lawyers is such a common thing in movies. Historically there is always going to be some old corporate type that is complaining about lawyers or calling them blood sucking thieves, or just plain hating them.It's the writers/directors venting their own very personal frustrations into their work.
>>153702894Jews.
>>153718080That's the thing, Trump isn't a career politician. He's a sleazy businessman, crooked real estate tycoon, and TV show personality. He only got into politics very late in his life. This makes him an outsider to the entrenched bureaucrats and career politicians in Washington DC. Trump is the sort of person who sat on the other side of the table from them in the past, a private citizen with immense wealth and influence who had a vested interest in shaping the political landscape, but was forced to manipulate its levers from outside the box. Now he's inside the box, and none of the people who call the box home want him there.
>>153718103Actually, it's not. Not when states like California and Georgia have laws forcing all lottery winners have have their names, faces, and addresses be public.There is a series of lawyers that every few days, look up the lottery winners, then file a lawsuit against them. which always inevitably ends in settlement because the new winner is always some low level nobody who has never dealt with that type of thing before and are completely blindsided by the weight of legal shit they are now having to deal with. So for the lawyers, it's free money with almost zero effort. Even if they only get a $5-10K settlement to go away.
>>153718080No there isn't there are only TDS addled, leftist media addicted, schizos that are living entirely in their doom media bubble and are terrified of the bad orange man.
>>153718148California public disclosure of lottery winners is so bad, it's basically understood to be purposely formed in a way to directly cause winners to be killed, robbed, or destroyed legally. Like that was the actual goal in mind of the drafters of those laws. Plus the winners are basically every way turbo fucked since everyone else only sees some guy got free money, fuck them and who cares if someone sues them for all of it. They got free money for nothing.
>>153718080Trump is just Reagan 2.0, except he was already a babbling retard before he got old.Stupid people have an inherent compulsion to worship others and project onto them. They don't actually give a fuck about the fat retard in office, they care about their mythologized version of him that only exists in their Down syndrome gestalt consciousness.
>>153718148I don't understand how such lawyers are allowed to practice. Surely if somebody looks up your case history and sees you do nothing but sue lottery winners, you'd get disbarred instantly?
>>153705926(you) could start writing the script for your super cool cartoon right this second, but (you) won't becuse you're a lazy crab who fears vulnerability
>>153718148It goes without saying that lottery winners are the exception to how life works, not the rule.And even then, this shit only works because lottery winners are random schmucks who randomly had large amounts of money fall into their laps. It's a bluff tactic. A large business is going to be prepared.
>>153706170You can still turn things around. You just need to be willing to inconvenience yourself slightly, like Luigi Mangioni did. But as you said it yourself (and to clarify, I agree with you) that we're still in the Good Days and thus most people won't kill politicians. Which is a shame.
>>153702675>Bring in the Indian man>Poo comes out
>>153713730you're not wrong, inside out 2 was 'girl has a therapy session: the movie' and it made bank
>>153717674Anyone?
>>153718008>the terms has been overused to the point whereInteresting to see a commie starting an argument like this.
>>153717978>This doesn't refer to merely criticizing Trump99% of the time, it does.His fanbase can't accept any form of criticism.
>>153705536It depresses me how such empty suits wind up in control of every business. Just look at what they did to Boeing. Once a company run by engineers which prioritized quality and safety over everything, got taken over by beancounters who cut corners until doors and panels started falling off the planes midair and killed hundreds of people.The beancounters though are perfectly insulated from culpability for their crimes. None of them will be charged with any wrongdoing or face consequences for what they did. They'll be asked to step down from the company at worst, and enjoy a generous severance package which will buoy them to their next corporate job where they can keep repeating the same crimes.
>>153702965>video gamesPeople pay 60 dollars for elden ring. Thats 4 months streaming>live actionCheap as balls
>>153718212They are all independent freelance contractors. Majority of them have no authority above them to tell them no outside of the state getting involved. and most of those politicians are former freelance lawyers helping to make more laws to help lawyers enrich themselves.
>>153718473Now compare the quality.
>>153718212>Surely if somebody looks up your case history and sees you do nothing but sue lottery winners, you'd get disbarred instantly?Until someone passes a law stating this behavior is now illegal, there is nothing to stop them from doing it. And even then 99% of politicians are former practicing lawyers, why would they want to pass laws that limit their ability to make themselves rich for low effort?
>>153718443Maybe it's because communists like you do nothing but invent new things to criticize him for?
>>153718443They're mostly ex-Obama drones, so....
>>153718008>It's because they are all [Shit I just made up]!No it's very real, and you are the perfect example of shreeching leftist shhizo.
>>153718521>Oh no they did a funny joke making fun of a president!So we're just going to pretend the last century of political cartoons and SNL sketches never happened because it happened to Saint Black Man?
>>153718518Maybe he should doing stupid things that make normal people's lives worse.
>>153718148Lawsuit for what? Just anything?
>>153718480Anon, you need a license to practice law in the United States, there is only one category of lawyer here, unlike other common law countries where you can have variously licensed and unlicensed people practicing law. In the US, all lawyers must be licensed by their state's bar association, regardless of whether they are independent or part of a firm. Every lawyer is answerable to the bar association, and if they are found violating their license they can be disbarred, which effectively makes it illegal for them to practice law in the United States.
>>153718498I am pretty sure that repeatedly filing frivolous lawsuits is already illegal.
>>153717985Nice five
Why didn't donald trump save cartoons? When obama was president we had adventure time and regular show but when trump took office cartoon network made shit like Apple & Onion and summer camp island
>>153718563Nothing in my life has changed.If anything my stocks have improved.
>>153718557Nobody really said anything about Barry-O, not even South Park.
>>153718563*should stop
>>153718585>When obama was president we had adventure time and regular showWhich were pretty fucking awful. Literally only people who were 10 years old or mentally 10 years old at the time liked these shows. They set the standard for the "half-assed loser core" cartoon that followed.
>>153718608adventure time was basically an atelier for every show that came after, the crew list is fucking insane in hindsight
>>153718565Yes. Literally anything. The court doesn't care if it's a made up case because they get paid fees either way. You'd have to have the lawyer investigated for malfeasance to prove he's making shit up and filing frivolous suits but average people do not have the expertise or time to do this and the watchdogs who go after corrupt lawyers are, understandably, completely overwhelmed by their case loads.
>>153718264I mean people have been trying…
>>153718453Avarice really is the root of all evil.
>>153718671It’s sadly human nature - we are all avaricious to an extent. So unless we manage a way to change human nature altogether, we’re fucked.
>>153702705
>>153718671Avarice properly applied is a good motivator. It spurs innovation and makes people productive. But greedy people should NEVER be allowed to be in charge of anything, because once they have control they will reshape whatever institution they run into an engine of personal enrichment, twisting it away from its intended purpose in the process. Look at what's happened to universities, once institutions of learning and research, now expensive daycares that turn young people into debt slaves. Look at banks, which were once a means for people to save money and secure loans for themselves, they're now controlled by speculative investors for personal profit. Look at literally any company which used to manufacture goods, and how they have off-shored all productive work to transform their business into a kind of wealth-extraction machine. When you let the avaricious into the halls of power, they corrupt everything. If you took every CEO and hanged them right now, the world would only improve. The 0.01% of good ones who died would be a worthy sacrifice.
>>153702912>jeet is given power>immediately shits up the placeGo figure.
>>153719499He shit up a pile of shit.
>>153702675Wow
>>153702705>>153702742Kek
>>153718008
>>153718521Wow, an actual joke at Obama's expense. Dont see tbat very often. Usually, they're just licking his asshole clean, like anon here.
>>153718748The fact that all of these problems were kept in check in the recent past shows that it's not human nature but a corrupt system that could be impoved if anyone was willing to fight for itTo go back to the thread theme, you can save cartoons (and movies, and TV) by breaking up the big studios. All of them. Unwind every merger from the past 30 years. Then put in a Paramount decree for streaming so that streaming companies cannot make their own content and have to license it from independant studios. This gives teams more places to pitch their work and means that streamers have a vested interest in paying for good content, not just slopping out shit they made for cheap internally. Those two things alone will help, and thanks to the incredibly shitty Paramount/Warner merger Hollywood is interested in fighting for this stuff again. It can be done
>>153702912Why are Indians like that?
>>153719939Post one
>>153703009Based Techbros
>>153720009Because they get hired for jobs they’re not qualified for and don’t actually care about.The founders of BLM did the exact same scam. Look it up. Honestly if I had the chance to get rich off idiots who would throw money at me for doing nothing, maybe I would too.
>>153702695He didn’t say anything, he listened. And that’s what no one else did.
>>153720121Really shows the blind spots of nepo-babies and the generationally rich who have no fucking common sense outside of hoarding money. Then probably try to do philanthropy and end up causing more problems to the point of suicidal empathy.
>>153713730Can't figure out if you're aiming for an:>oh look this one movie/game/show that has a 2-second lesbian kiss in the ending did really well and made a trillion dollars! Woke wins again, chuds!or a>the user ratings are shit and nobody watched it, but it made 999999999 dollars from the silent majority (ESG/DEI grants, mostly) and critics love it! Look at those high critic scores!-thing.Also,>awardsBro's living under a rock, the big-name award shows literally and/or figuratively require the media submitted to be DEI/ESG/etc. compliant to even be nominated for an award, and review companies tend to do it directly/indirectly too, like how Mixtape is probably gonna win indie GOTY awards despite not being even close to indie, having a nearly unlimited budget, and barely being a "game".Even marketing is super biased and gatekept these days unless you put all your ads on random garbage scam sites in the deepest corners of the internet.
>>153703034Good
>>153717991>the generation that watched Steven Universe and Gravity Falls in elementary school.They never stood a chance.
>>153702912Ah the great replacement. Just like every company and restaurant their kind gets their hands on they turn it to shit. Every goddamn time.
>>153716166it's gonna dry up once they finish the story and run out of material to adapt, that's why they're dragging out the movies
>>153720240Steven Universe was nominated for 7 emmys, 5 annies, and 3 Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation awards, and it lost all of them
>haha yes goy-guys guys. It is the indians fault, no other group is behind it!
>>153720516Sorry bro, "just following orders" ain't gonna work here.
>>153720530Esl anon...
>>153703694go back to /woo/, davewe're hacking scientology
>>153720558Yes, you are indeed an ESL.The point is that being a useful tool for a certain group doesn't absolve them of their actions.
>>153720644You might have a better time communicating in whatever hebrew imageboard that exists out there anon.
>>153720516You’re right.That niggergranny defending him with the racecard is on the Board of Trustees that appointed him President and are profiting off this. She’s not even a staffmember of the school yet she’s speaking to the students and controlling what he says.
>>153720810https://calarts.edu/members/charmaine-jefferson#:~:text=Through%2520her%2520company%252C%2520K%C3%A9lan%2520Resources,relation%2520goals%2520across%2520multiple%2520disciplines.Wait a second you’re right.Why are the students getting a speech from the biggest shareholder? They don’t work for the school they just own stocks
>>153703675Remember Tivo bombing?>hmmm Joe Boomer only seems to watch King of the Hill and records it for later viewing>Fine, we'll just make 8 hour marathons of KotH, that'll show em for recording, skipping ads, and not watching the rest of our network's slop!I'm no fan of streaming, but don't forget how fucking petty broadcasters got almost 20 years ago because people got fed up with ads.
>>153718443Yeag it's usually shorthand for>some criticism has been illegitimate so we've decided it is by default until "you people" get "your" act together
>>153721281That's a reasonable response to unreliable information sources, no? The burden of proof is on the party making an accusation.
>>153703830>greedy as fuck neocon silicon Valley execs who would gladly slurp Trump and Jew cockthose people aren't neocons dummy, they're accelerationist schizos.
>>153706923>culminating in actual genuine famines calendar year 2027let's not get hysterical here, famines aren't on the table. Global recession, sure, but outside of third-world shitholes starvation isn't going to be an issue.
>>153706923>There is a reasonable possibility that the US, out of options, resorts to nuking Iranian missile cities at Israel's behestlmao, you are delusional
>>153721476Anon...this is political propoganda.
>>153721476trump has dementia, who knows what he will do at this point
>>153721514Just two more weeks, ey?
>>153706923>yet more thirdie delusionsspam get purged on /k/?
>>153721555Until the strait is open? It is taking quite a while.
>>153721349Putting the burden on every critic to police all other critics makes an insurmountable barrier. Which is a good strategy if the goal wasn't to listen in the first place.
>>153721688The burden on the critic is to substantiate THEIR OWN criticism. If that isn't done, there's no reason to listen to the critic. It's a good strategy to not listen to what most people say in general. Remember when people said that Trump said to drink bleach? I've had people tell me that in 2026. The failure to police that sort of thing undermines partisan credibility in general, though reasonable people weren't listening to partisans in the first place.
>>153717180Just because you work for a faggot company doesn't mean everyone does.
>>153721445Fertilizer shortages due to the high costs of natural gas required to manufacture it industrially are coinciding with the planting season. If you think that the resultant food shortages and general consequences will stay safely siloed away in the third world, you haven't really been paying attention to how the political orthodoxy has been exploiting immigration policy.
>>153721944Do you know how much fucking food we waste on a daily basis?
>>153721823The process for determining who is a partisan and who just has different opinions is really the issue.
>>153722028Not really. Ignore people who don't substantiate their points. It's that simple.
>>153722019I'm aware. Hopefully it's all non-perishable and lasts for the next few years, or in response to crisis the entire economic system reorients itself to reduce waste. Hopefully what doesn't happen is nobody does anything to avert the very visible catastrophe and when the crisis comes the political response is "let them eat cake."Because otherwise, ugly carrots thrown out yesterday has no bearing on whether the carrot farmer looking at a balance sheet today can afford enough fertilizer to break even, which is what controls whether there are carrots to eat or throw out a year from now.
>TFW i started my indie animation company and living a successful life making independent cartoons after years of watching animation tutorials in the 2010s>debt free because i didn't attend some shitty arts college in gayliforniaHAHAH SUCK IT N00BS
>>153722129I guess there is always Tilapia if worse comes to worse.
>>153703392AA publishers will commission trailers but overall that's 1-2 minutes of animation
>>153722019That’s not the problem, the problem is more people deciding to take Sam Kinison’s advice.https://youtu.be/K44DriPrLUk?is=M8ftw8JZAkFcc40q
>>153722077That's not how it works in real life though, is it? We all use heuristics. The bigger the idea of the deranged mob gets the more people are going to be shoved into it. The higher the bar gets to differentiate themselves from that mental blob.
>>153722492Sounds like you want an excuse to justify intellectual laziness.
>>153710027>Labubus? Remember that shit?Anon... I don't know how to tell you this... but it wasn't kids buying the labubus.
>>153722514Nah I want the intellectual laziness to be treated symmetrically.
>>153722694So... check the rationale. If it's substantiated, consider the implications. If it's not, ignore it. There are no shortcuts to epistemic rationality.
>>153719963IMO there were a lot of factors limiting that sort of thing back in the day. Back then, there was less social media, more people generally believed in a Higher Power and so tended to behave themselves when alone, and societies were more homogenous and high-trust.
>>153723381Executives have always been soulless monsters
>>153718608Not to mention that their popularity wasn't as strong as people think, both declined hard the moment their creator allowed shitty romance plots tha infamously emasculated the MCs with shit writing. Only their first seasons are iconic
>>153722796>There are no shortcuts to epistemic rationality.So, I can take it that these are both deranged behaviors, right?
>>153723973NTA, but while in essence these are both fair criticisms, there admittedly is an asymmetry when the vast majority of economists seemed baffled by the tariff plays and the immediate response in the markets were "this is more drastic then even our wildest estimations". As a neutral third party trying to ascertain the validity of the Presidents actions, there was a lot of circumstantial evidence indicating that what was happening was not above board. If all the info is what is presented in that screen shot then yes those are both different polarities of TDS... but irl there was probably more cause to err on the side of "this is unconstitutional" than not.
>>153723973Statements loaded with political jargon usually are, at least if the speaker actually believes it. Note that both "sides" in that image and the anon here >>153724117 skip over the actual laws involved. That said, there are actual dictators in the world, and actual threats to democracy, and activist judges flagrantly acting outside the law. But something substantive about them will usually identify how those terms actually apply.>>153724117>when the vast majority of economists seemed baffled by the tariff playsIt's pretty obvious that Trump is doing what he's done for his entire career in politics: He's doing provocative things to sow chaos, then navigating that chaos to get what he wants. In the case of tariffs, favorable trade deals. But let's keep the facts in mind. Not all of Trump's tariffs were declared unconstitutional. Many are still in effect, because they did not rely on what the Supreme Court found problems with.
>>153724515>He's doing provocative things to sow chaos, then navigating that chaos to get what he wants. In the case of tariffs, favorable trade deals.That's all good and well but does nothing to change the calculus of whether what he was doing was unconstitutional or not for a low information assessment. If as far as you're aware the president is doing something that hasn't been done before, to a degree it hasn't been done before, for reasons that seem spurious on initial reading, and more informed people broadly take issue with what is being done... then it isn't deranged to assume something wrong is being done..You could argue it's dumb to assume the Supreme Court ruled how they did for the reasons you think, or that it's stupid to think everything he was doing was equally wrong for all the same reasons... but it wouldn't rise to the level of "deranged" in the sense that your feelings are completely unfounded and without merit. However if, upon the court giving their decision, your immediate response was accusing the court of being deep-state saboteurs THAT would rise to the level of delusion/derangement because there lacks a wider set of circumstances a low information person could reasonably apply heuristics to and come to that conclusion. There's an asymmetry at play is all I'm saying.
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