So this is it? Indie animation will never have an answer to Dragon Ball, JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure, or Naruto? It seems male heroism and masculinity are dead. All you’re allowed to make now is girlfailures, girlbosses and Sailor Moon knockoffs. The future truly is female. Bleak.
Stop spamming it you schizo
Cartoons have been girl power for over 10 years
>>153714625I'm not going to ask you to stop spamming threads cold turkey, I just think it's fair that for each Gameoverse thread you make, you cut off one of your fingers. One way or another, you'll eventually be cured.
>>153714625We have Invincible now
>>153714625You can literally just download Blender, animate a thing with male heroism, and put it on youtube. They started Glitch with crappy gmod vids using ripped models and built it up from there, you can make your dream cartoon too with some work. You aren't stuck just watching theirs.
>>153714708A 6.5/10 cartoon that is in the active process of turning into a 3/10 one?
>>153714708I consider that a borderline parody.
>>153714708>what’s that? you ABORTED my child and cheated on me while I was away??? YYYABBA DABBA DOOOOOOOOOOcuckman is the exact opposite of male heroism and masculinity
>>153714625TransMen are MEN
>>153714625>It seems male heroism and masculinity are deadLow test faggot, shut the fuck up. Does every single billboard and movie preview need to be filled with buff men for you to feel safe?
>>153714980No, they are pots of pussy juice!
>>153714980Stfu
>>153714625You're right but you're also an annoying faggot. You can't make a youtube indie show that doesn't have a female protag unless you're doing some mascot horror creepypasta thing where it doesn't really matter what the mascot is.
>>153714625Women are hot, anon
>>153714993>every singlewhere
it's just glitch
>>153714625I personally don't mind it but to give you some hope, all you'll have to do is wait for about 10 years or so for things to shift back to male leads. When you think about it, all the works that we're seeing now are a response to the male-dominated animated landscape of the 2000s and 2010s. Western animation like Ben 10, Static Shock, Generator Rex, JLA, most of the old Jetix cartoons, etc. all featured male leads. Basically, this produces writers and artist who think: "I want to make something like that but how can I make it stand out and be different" And one of the easiest and arguably most superficial answers to arrive at given their inspirations is to have a female lead. It's actually less about "the future is female" and feminism and more like a bunch of this generation's creatives arriving at the same conclusion and coincidentally the rise of feminism ideals like "the future is female" is happening at the same time. So, some creatives incorporate those aspects into their works to make it more appealingAgain, I don't mind but just as in the past anon, eventually, the creatives who grow up on mostly female protagonists will give us male-dominated animated series again if that's what you're into. You just have to wait. Personally, I plan on sitting back and enjoying all of the r34 that the female-led shows are going to give us.
>>153714625Holy shit, why do you care? What happened to just enjoying characters?
>>153714625>or NarutoWhy the fuck would western animation want to have an answer to that absolute clusterfuck of a series?
>>153714731>You can literally just download Blender, animate a thing with male heroism, and put it on youtubeYou have to learn how to animate first, numbnuts.
>>153715028Yeah, but they don't need to be the leads every time. That's why they're the love interests in male led material.
>>153715027>You can't make a youtube indie show that doesn't have a female protagWhy?>>153715415Because it was a huge hit with kids back in the day.
>"male heroism doesn't exist!">what about these male heroes >"those don't count they disagree with my politics! Nothing caters specifically to me personally!"Have you considered that that's because you're an extreme minority that isn't worth making real art to sell to?You'll lap up whatever shit scam traced bullshit panders to you like rippaverse or kamen america, you don't get real things.
>>153715415Yeah there wants a time in the 2000's when someone would have wanted something like thatBut no one wants to go the route of space ninjas and making the main character a bum father
>>153715451>what about these male heroesWhere?
>>153715449>back in the day.Yeah before it became a massive clusterfuck, no shit. Could have at least mentioned a shonen that didn't turn to hot garbage for the third example like Hunter x Hunter or FMA.
>>153715470>I can't remember what happened in my own threadSad.>>153714708>>153714822You and the people that think like you don't represent a large enough consumer body to be worth making anything for.
>>153715451I just want cool guys that do cool things. Not dorks gee-wizzing their way to the end.
>>153715495>I can't remember what happened in my own threadI just got here, cunt.
>>153715415Because naruto was and still is popular as fuck. Thats why. Generic female/homo lead yhing with "lore" and drama is niche but sold as a huge thing that will make bucks is a con.Its not for everyone. It has its niche. But the niche of naruto is huge and is still a marjeting juggernaut. Zoomers and alpha still watch it and do the hand seals and wear the merch.
>>153715393>What happened to just enjoying characters?Why should I be forced to enjoy characters i don't like? I have my own preferences, get stuffed.
>>153715518Then make it, faggot.
>>153715529>and still is popular as fuck.Anon it's not 2016 anymore, Naruto's popularity has fallen off a cliff and Boruto is a laughing stock. Hell it already had a pretty steep decline in the early 2010s. The only one of the original Big Three that's relevant anymore is One Piece and even that's starting to face its own problems.
>>153715518>I just want massive artistic enterprises to pander to meeeeeeeeeeeToo fucking bad? There's no profit in it. You're too small of a minority. There's zero consumer demand.
>>153715552Is always new to someone
>>153715552>One Piece and even that's starting to face its own problems.Oh boy is itRemember when it was about pirates and not ancient gods and one angry immortal incel?
>>153715552Anon. Its a near 30 year old show thats still selling merch. No one is talking about shitruto and its decline later is still larger then litterally any american media created since. Most show creators would kill to be 1/10 as popular as it was at its lowest. This is reality anon. Its time you accept it.
counterpointKit is useless without her male partners. Whether it's Kaboodle's skills or Gobbles's insights.
>>153715587>Remember when One Piece was about pirates Pffffft, no? It was about pirates just as much as Naruto was about ninjas: not at fucking all.
>>153715627It at least was about pirates until wano
>>153714625>It seems male heroism and masculinity are dead. All you’re allowed to make now is girlfailures, girlbosses and Sailor Moon knockoffs. The future truly is female.2016 is over, OP. That chapter of media is dead and buried.
>>153715423So what? Learning's too hard for you?
>>153715608>Most show creators would kill to be 1/10 as popular as it was at its lowest....well fuck I really can't argue against that. It's a shadow of its former self but yeah compared to Western shows these days that shadow stands taller than any of them do. Which is honestly kind of pathetic, nobody gives a fuck about Naruto anymore in anime circles.
>>153714625>Dragon Ball, JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure, or Naruto?Why can't [hobbyist to small company ip] compete with [multi millionaire to billionaire IP ] But you are right, we could use more boy cartoons.
>>153715518What about any guy doing anything?
>>153715638Anon it was always about a magic chosen one barreling through other people's problems with crackhead strength. People accepting Luffy's relationships with Garp AND Dragon AND Shanks but getting mad about the Nika fruit are delusional
>>153714625Read Conan the Barbarian comics
>>153715676Those relationships were tertiaryNo one thought Oda would be so creatively bankrupt that he would change the devil fruit type of his main character and act like it was that this entire timeNo characters acknowledging his power doesn't act like rubber doesn't make it less of an ass pull by having it be a god fruit that lets him do anything he can think of
>>153715562NTA, and I know you're just being intentionally dishonest in a hermetic attempt to alter reality to your liking, but I'll just respond anyway to say that's obviously not true. Even women aren't happy with passive male leads, look at how popular shit like 50 shades was. Women want to fantasize about being dominated by active, powerful, agentic men, and men want to fantasize about being those men. Problem is that indie animation is usually made by trannies for some reason.
>>153715733Don't know what you expected, the way shounen battle manga escalates, it was always going to be something like that.
>>153715537You don’t have to, but don’t be surprised if cartoons these days appeal to the majority then to specific niches
>>153715754You would think the author of a long running manga would learn not to do that because of what happened when naruto and dragon ball did that
>>153715746>Even women aren't happy with passive male leadsNot true, MHA and KNY weren't popular for no reason
No offense man, but most dudes into animation fucked off to anime years ago.Cartoons have been for women and gay latinxes since like 2014.
>>153714625
>>153715786Tanjiro isn't a passive male lead, the hell are you talking about?
>>153715849Every time he's talked about anywhere people talk about how he's blubbering after every demon he kills
>>153715868>Every time he's talked aboutWhy are you talking about something you've never even watched or read yourself?
>>153715837She cute
>>153715882What are YOU talking about? I was there for when the anime got off the ground and everyone was raving about itI've been here long enough to see the endless threads anons made gloating over the fact KNY was outselling western shit with each movie
>>153715905You clearly never actually watched or read it, hence why you stated "whenever it's talked about" instead of actually naming instances.Typical of /co/, it's a board made up exclusively of secondaries who only interact with things via twatter posts and fanfics.
>>153715786Don't know what KNY is, I think MHA is My Hero Academia. Anime male leads are passive at first, but always buck up eventually and the enjoyment comes from that arc. It's a battle shonen series, it's all about beating the shit out of each other. That's not a passive man, that's an active, agentic man being physically dominant. Anime being popular proves me right.
>>153715542With what money, fuckwit?>>153715649I have neither the time nor the interest to animate. My interests lie in writing and editing.>>153715673If said guy's a dork, no.
>>153715769You realize they make this shit up as they go along, right?
>>153715942Yes and they should no better not to for longevity
>>153715940>I want thing>But I want someone else to make it for meCry some more, faggot
>>153715935Oh fuck off with thatWe were talking about even when it was airing it's first season
>>153715937>Don't know what KNY isDemon Slayer. The recent movie made $750 million in the box office, beating Superman which is hilarious.
>>153715937Anon both shows have their main characters beat the shit about their main villains and then cry both comedically and dramatically to force a reaction out of the audience
>>153714625>they think a generic cartoon will replace TADC becuase of a basic female cat girl designRetards, TADC didn't even had coomer characters and it succeeded in establishing a huge fandom. Writing and setting >>>>>> character design. Gameoverse will be forgotten next week
>>153715971You didn't watch or read shit, secondary, go fuck yourself.Go back to reading your fucking AU coffee shop fanfics like every other cartoonfags these days.
>>153715987Go fuck yourself you disingenuous nigger tourist Try to have a conversation about KNY and masculinity and suddenly it's not something you're aloud to talk about
>>153715957My interest is in audio dramas, not animation. It'd be nice to have a cool guy show but I'm not going to obsess over it. Especially if i don't have the resources to produce it. Fuck off.
>>153716004Maybe you should stick to talking about something you actually know something about instead of talking about something you're only familiar with via twatter posts, you secondary retard.
>>153715985>Writing and setting >>>>>> character design.Retard, the character designs in TADC are part of its success.
>>153716009>Fuck off.Same to you, fucko. I have no interest in listening to whiny babies.
>>153716019And maybe you should be more open about conversations with manga instead of just shutting down the topic because you wanna pretend like it doesn't exist you massive faggot
>>153715786MHA isnt popular BECAUSE of deku. Hell hes shit on.Much of it was the world and story. And the yaoi pairing of deku and king explosion murder. They went full naruto and sasuke with it. Even though the normies wanted bakugo uravity and they were a popular couple.As for tanjiro. He was never passive, he was the kind hearted sort that locked in wgen shit got drastic. Everyone even the shiw itself made fun of the view of him being a bit of a pussy when it cane to emotional shit. The maymays dont really inform of a work. Only a perception of a work.
>>153716028I have no interest in conversing with people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.Go back to twitter.
Incel thread
>>153716045You have no interest in conversing in general because you're a disingenuous faggotGo back to resetera
>>153716040>MHA isnt popular BECAUSE of deku. Hell hes shit on.Despite all the porn of the girls, he very much is what most people talk about with the series due to the ending And even still is when I go to /a/ that's still brought up
>>153716040>He was never passive, he was the kind hearted sort that locked in wgen shit got drasticBro was literally the man of the house working his ass off for his family when his pop died. He's not some nice guy dork but a kid who had to grow up fast and go dad mode.
>>153716078>he very much is what most people talk about with the series due to the endingNegatively
>>153715983Not sure if you're disagreeing with me or not.>I just want cool guys that do cool things. Not dorks gee-wizzing their way to the end.>Too fucking bad? There's no profit in it. You're too small of a minority. There's zero consumer demand.This is the thread of disagreement. Male characters beating the shit out of each other with powers and agentic mindsets constitute "cool guys doing cool things". Cool guys are allowed to cry and be in touch with their feelings. Anime proves there is a strong market demand for this that non anime cartoons are completely ignoring, which was the original statement.
>>153716158All I'm saying is that we got manly men crying in the 80's in manga and anime but it was a rare occasion as opposed to now when it happens every 25-30 chapters
>>153716049Faggot
>>153715620>literally gets hogtied without Kaboodle. TWICE
>>153716158>Cool guys are allowed to cry and be in touch with their feelingsEven the Solo Leveling guy cried when his mom woke up from her coma. https://youtu.be/bgTAtHNZX1s
>>153716174That too
>>153714625Well sure, if the only cartoons you follow are those on one Youtube channel
>>153716145Yes. Both are true.What are you talking about? Is a man being kind hearted a negative thing?
>>153716274He just wants a power fantasy it seems..
>>153716078Anon hes a laughing stock. All fame isnt good fame. >>153716225Not in america men arent. Women and "people" who want to destroy men try to stamp it out.
>>153715206this anon gets it
>>153716297Don't same fag
>>153716287Want to hear something no man will tell you out loud?Men want to have a power fantasy where a protag can show his emotions. Crying for instance. Dont tell anyone.
>>153715206Yeah. So we should just dump all western anime and openly shit on it in favor of male aimed cartoons and media that havent been poisoned yet.
>>153716274>Is a man being kind hearted a negative thing?Where'd I say that?
>>153714822Death Battle threads are that way pablito
>>153716388The fact that you posted a rebuttal that seemed as if you were defending agai st him being called kind.
>>153715470https://youtu.be/TgYeagJUt34?si=oz9y0apIl_EKJ2dVWould Monkey Wrench or Space King count?
>>153716172I agree with you, I think modern anime characters are too passive, but they're still more or less active. Personally, I like the 80s and 90s stuff better. I think modern anime is popular despite the unnecessary crying moments, not because of it.
We did it reddit!!!
>>153714708We’re talking about cartoons not motion comics.
>>153716511HEYWe cant have young japanese males being too proactive. They might grow up to openly go against the btoken slavery system of japanese society and make something functional. They might even reproduce!!
>>153714663Sage & Report all the spam
>>153714625>So this is it? Indie animation will never have an answer to Dragon Ball, JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure, or Naruto?/co/ projects are the best example as to why male-centric action is getting buried regardless of quality. Coomer and Pandering characters get boosted early on without any real effort needed in actual storytelling or action, all they need is " HEY look at how huge these tits are" or " Look it's your own aberrant sexual identity". It's why fetish autism took over deviant art.Decent action ips need a lot of time and work to get off the ground because action scenes themselves are an artform, and when it has to compete against instant gratification OCs it gets suffocated.
>>153714625 >Men have lost. Yes you did lol
>>153716775Porny stuff doesnt really sell on its own. Skibbidy toilet mogged everything glitch put out.The board makeup of co is why male aimed animation isnt popular here.
>>153714625>Animation is just "DISNEY, FAMILY GUY, STEVEN UNIVERSE" for years>Comics are just "MARVLE AND DC" for yearsMost people have basic knowledge of these mediums so to them: copying anime/manga (badly even) is seen as the only alternativeyou'll never see these shows reference a Bakshi show, Aeon Flux, Heavy Metal/Metal Hurlant, anything Genndy even though he's still making stuff, Asterix, Tintin, a 2000AD series or Corto MalteseCan you imagine if Owl House dropped a reference to a Moebius comic?
>>153716491Former, no. Latter, yes.
>>153714625Everything nowadays is made for and by infantalized Tumblr millenials and zoomers Even fanbases for "cool manly" stuff like Warhammer are full of Tumblrinas and fandom autists Look at Postal 2 for example
>>153716444>The fact that you posted a rebuttalNot a rebuttal. I was supporting the point.
>>153716774
>>153716900Ah. I see.I concede
>>153714625>incel hands typed this post
>>153714625>Western cartoon copies anime >Still adds irony and self aware elements which is what anime doesn't have and therefore why it's doing better in the first place
>>153715837Why must you post this everywhere.Do you have an aquatic butt fetish?>>153716569Finally, the "I fixed it" image.What a bitch, lol
>>153716948Fuck off
>>153714625>Lefties and SJWs take away anything appealing for boys >Suddenly boys are watching rightwing grifters and culture wars shit It's like they do it on purpose
It's more just that men with money to buy things don't watch cartoons, most of the "men" watching cartoons these days are actually children and teenagers with no money, or third worlders who also have no money.
>>153716227You are
>>15371694>I did not know what "incel" means, I just speak trendy meme words Anyway remember when women were seething over sexy fictional characters?
>>153714625Trouble is, the western people are weebs that have always wanted to make good action shows with relevant female characters because shonens and comics really suck at providing them. So when the boys finally have their turn to make their shows, they’ve already had a Mel story and a Kit story in mind since they were little boys. That and the girls are idealized waifus.For them they had thousands of male-centered stories, Batmans, and Zeros and are satisfied with what they have. It’s the female-centered stories to them that feel lacking in that department.
>>153717041>the western people are weebs that have always wanted to make good action shows with relevant female charactersThose are less weebs and more hood weebs.And that distinction is why what they make is usually shit.
>>153714731Retard, you ever wonder why NOBODY does that despite all the people begging for it? Because people know that the second they release even a small cartoon about a knight saving a princess that doesn't get subverted by woke crap, they'll get doxxed and cancelled on every website because it's muh oppreshun o algo.
>>153717014Nah
>>153715985>Writing and setting >>>>>> character designNigga none of these shows have good writing and nobody making or watching them has read a proper book in their lives It's all aspie manchild shit
>>153717041Stop reading capeshit and shounen shitBerserk and 2000AD beat those
>>153716775I have been in a co project before. I was astonished by how many women and girls were shoved into the the boy’s action show and the amount of old men that are basically made to flaunt the protagonist. It was supposed to be a space adventure series but they lack the imagination to dare to make it feel different from the any generic space adventure series. They didn’t even have big mysteries or wonders going on in them.
>>1537171022000ad is a cape comic.
western animation is dying indie will never save it cuz its audience are kids with no money
>>153717041...FUCKING ACTION ANIME WITH FEMALE LEADS HAS BEEN A THING FOR OVER HALF OF A GODDAMNED CENTURYTHE GIRLIEST CARTOONS STILL HAVE BETTER ACTION SCENES YHEN THE SHIT THESE HACKS CRAP OUTDont give me that shit you fucking fraud. >>153717012Men with money watch cartoons all of the time. Just not ugly girlfailure and bossbitch slop. Which is why they have taken to co-opting popular with male media and using it as a trojan horse to shill girlfsilures, queers, and loser oft gay and or middke aged boss bitches which always kills things. If they had any talent or believed their misandrist bullshit they would create female aimed media that is actually popular rather then making a career shitting on males and parasitically glomming onto male aimed media.
>>153717164That's like saying Demolition Man's a cape flick.
>>153717183>FUCKING ACTION ANIME WITH FEMALE LEADS HAS BEEN A THING FOR OVER HALF OF A GODDAMNED CENTURY
>>153717102Fuck off
>>153717070Yes
>>153717183> FUCKING ACTION ANIME WITH FEMALE LEADS HAS BEEN A THING FOR OVER HALF OF A GODDAMNED CENTURYOkay. And do any of them care about them?Something like Dandadan gets too caught up in its fan service, weird sexual shit, and shipping bait that characters like Kit and Miss Information would be out of place in them.
>>153717278Nah i don't think so incels lost btw
>>153717281They would be out of place because of lotterally everything about them.What are you getting at?
>>153716569OP is clearly just looking for attention with this tweet because their art isn't all that impressive to the general public and they have no actual talents to garner engagement beyond ragebaiting people.
>>153717297Nice projection, retard
>>153716985Concession accepted
>>153717301Boys hate that shit and consider them to be the vegetables to their steakhouse dinner.
>>153717353Sure thing
>>153714625Gitch coincidentally has majority female lead shows."Men Have Lost"
>>153717324Said the 4chan incel
>>153717425You are a faggot
>>153717443You're the 4chan incel though
>>153717457Lol, faggot
>>153715940My interests lie in drawing and animating. Are you any good as a writer for sequential arts? Do you have any samples?
>>153717464Lol 4channer incel who's mad over female leads in cartoons
>>153717400GLITCH is the most successful indie animation studio right now. What they do, others follow. It's so fucking over for boys...
>>153717478Stop coping, tranny
>>153717493Nah i hope they make more female leads cartoons if that's what makes you mad
>>153717498Lol, homo
>>153717508You're the one who wants to see more boys over girls though
>>153717517Nice cope
>>153714625Why do you think female leads being more common is anti-male? Women and girls have historically lacked cool media written with them in mind.
>>153717522i seriously doubt it
>>153717523Since when?
>>153714625>It seems male heroism and masculinity are dead.what are you expecting from an industry that only people indoctrinated into marxism by liberal arts schools care to get into?There are still some gems left in the live action space, at least...
>"We won, please buy a Jax plushie!"
>>153714625>why do you care?>STOP NOTICING PATTERNS!!!!Even it you think it's irrelevant, it's something real
>>153714625I have a theory that after the "dudebro xbox 360" era, people got sick of guys being assholes to weebs and furries because they liked games with manly menSo now we have an inverse where Tumblrinas and wokes (and also SomethingAwful goons with troll's remorse) act sassy for liking anything associated with "cringe" and shit on anyone for liking anything remotely masculine even if they don't act like assholes about it
>>153714625>Indie animation will never have an answer to Dragon Ball, JOJO’s Bizarre Adventure, or Naruto?are you a fat spic by chance
>>153715985TADC has shit writing.
>>153716968Gay
>>153717632You are
>>153715837Wet cats smell bad
>>153717564Actually thats when there was an inorganic business backed feminist attack on the "problematic male gaming culture" by litteral worthless feminist grifters like anita srak...whatever and bpd gross whores like zoe quinn. It started a massive campaign by grifters, queers, government types, and feminists looking to feed on the growing gaming hobby. The people you are talking about are trash.
>>153716656>We cant have young japanese males being too proactive.The mc from Golden Kamui was great, there are plenty of cool modern mcs out there
>>153717471>Do you have any samples?https://files.catbox.moe/tv3f55.mp3https://files.catbox.moe/lbhtoa.mp4
>>153715983>>153716656That's still better than western animation,. Have you seen steven universe? That faggot is the worst character I've ever seen/
>>153717041>to make good action shows with relevant female characters because shonens and comics really suck at providing themAbsolute fucking retard. Most of the best action orientated animated series with female leads were made in japan.
>>153717610Indie animation will never have an answer to Lain, Haibane Renmei or Texhnolyze either tb.h
>>153717743Like what?
>>153717764>>153717241
>>153717770And this.
what I want>cool and brutal fight scenes with cool powers>strong and competent human male MC>two cute but fairly strong female characters to form a trio>MC helps the girls reach their full potential>MC gets stronger too as he beats enemy after enemy to a pulp>major crisis happens to MC but his allies have the strength to save him and help him recover>MC and the girls together beat the final gigaboss>MC ends up with one of themis this really too much to ask?
>>153717790A cat is fine too
>>153717770Do you even know what that is?
>>153717788Can't forget.
>>153717803But he wants two waifus for his haram.
>>153717809Bubblegum Crisis. I own the comics.>>153717822And the show.
>>153717764Mai Otome, Nanoha, Dirty pair, Gunsmith Cats, Utena, Cat's Eye, Alita, Gunbuster/Diebuster etc.
>>153715940>My interests lie in writing and editing.Oh no, you'll need to acquire a skill or delude yourself AI is a viable long-term pipelineFuck your interests
>>153717823>haremBut the MC only ends up with one? The other one is like a sister to him
>>153717836Fuck you too, dude.
>>153717845A siscon?
>>153715733>>153715754There are great long shonen manga you just have to search for them, I recommend Sengoku Youko and Souboutei must be destroyed.
>>153715027>You can'tSounds like you made up a rule in your head, chiefIs this the part where you claim because someone else isn't doing it, it must be impossible?
>>153717835Don't forget
>>153717823Meds
>>153717877Well I can't name every fucking one since there are a lot of them but I think he got the idea.
>>153715940>With what money, fuckwit?With the money you get from actually having a job, a concept good enough to back, and something more than being a fucking idea guy
>>153715940>My interests lie in writing and editing.Then you can inferno cop it. And again, remember Glitch started with super mario models being jiggled in front of the camera. They didn't know how to animate either and still made it.
>>153714625All these shows are highly satanic because they have DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>153714980Transmen are fleshlights who exist to be used by any real man who wants to use them.
>>153715733>No one thought Oda would be so creatively bankruptA story either foreshadows its ending or telegraphs it's a mystery box with no set resolution Once you're older than ten you ought to be able to detect which is which
>>153714625I wouldn't call having waifus and fanservice a loss.
>>153717877>>153717835>>153717788>>153717833And do they feature the annoying hot spring trope?
>>153715655>gives a fuck about Naruto anymore in anime circles.Haha bro... do you know how many millennial normalfags have Naruto nostalgia? You will still find people talking about it, the original series or the manga, everywhere on the internet. Even /co/ talks about it on toonami threads.
>>153717901>something more than being a fucking idea guy>>153717698
>>153717932Lol, seethe
>>153717929I used screenshots here >>153717698
>>153715786>>153716040lol, everything you guys said is wrong
>>153717962>Either gay or a woman.
>>153717962>annoying hot spring tropeYou're a faggot
>>153717962Gunbuster shows nudity in a hot spring(which is great you faggot)
>>153716009>My interest is in audio dramasThat sounds interesting, have you made any?
>>153717990Now make more and put them on youtube
>>153718038Yes >>153717698
>>153716004>Try to have a conversation about KNY
>>153716511Scryed has probably one of the manliest mcs(that cried once, was made in the 00s and enough of the millennials weebs that re making now cartoons should have seen it on toonami
>>153715733Dude. Luffy literally transformed into completely different forms before gear 5 was revealed. He was always a zoan user.
>>153714625SEX CAT
>>153718061?
>>153714625where are the male focused shows worth supporting?
>>153715451>shit scam traced bullshit panders to you like rippaverse or kamen america,ISOM is traced, KA suckered an actual artist into propping it up for a few years. The bitter irony about Rippaverse is that all the other potential titles in it have legs and competent enough writers, it's just the one July writes himself and thinks is central that's dragging down the rest. ISOM is so fucking bad and I expect Eric will let ChatGPT write it for him now.
>>153716874>a Bakshi show,Has Bakshi made shows? I thought he only directed movies
>>153718004>>153718023>>153718030This is actually a huge reason why boys don’t give a shit about them. Unless there is a big element that is revealed in the hot spring, they would rather skip it.Only anti-social Asian men want this public spa-bathing material in their work. Boys want cool stuff that encourages their masculinity. Hot Springs are gay nagging women environments.
>>153718199Anime
>>153718246lol, you really live in a bubble
>>1537182461. At least half of the stuff mentioned has no hot springs2. You know absolutely nothing, guys absolutely love fanservice. The hot spring scenes from Outlaw Star and Tenchi Muyo spring scenes used to be discussed all the time on 00s internet
>>153717137So, Cassiopeia Quinn?
>>153715608>>153715552>>153715529I've seen so many kids in the playgrounds wearing naruto shirts and hoodies, its still popular, doubt they watch it though
>>153718285No. But a girl character did get really popular enough to be a potential main mascot to have great artists making great stuff for her out of nowhere and barely anyone had good ideas for her.The whole project fumbled because no one really thought about using their most popular characters appropriately, reworking their huge buffet of concepts into condensed ideas/settings, or reworking their iffy characters/ideas into something much better.They legitimately thought that a whole world government should be the main’s character’s faction instead of dismantling it into a fallen barely surviving empire with some sinister story behind it. Since, you know, globalism is legitimately evil.
>>153718273If boys actually like fan service as much as you think, they would be including it in the stories they make. Instead they make sexy waifus and dedicated no scenes to them getting naked.
>I want a MALE action protag>That's a NEW ip>With a COOL design and artstyle>That isn't a wimpy beta cuck>That's not a homo or tranny>Not an identity politics soap box>Not sidelined by a girlboss
>>153718542>If boys actually like fan service as much as you think, they would be including it in the stories they make.We do.>Instead they make sexy waifus and dedicated no scenes to them getting naked.Why lie?
why not just make something you actually want to see>but I don't know how to animatea million free resources on the Internet plus AI, no excuse>but I'll get cancelledjust do it anyway, don't be a pussy
>>153718310Naruto is still popular because the first episodes are great.
>>153714625We DON'T want Dragon Ball, Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure, and Naruto is the thing.What we DO want however is Bugs Bunny, Droopy, Popeye and Woody Woodpecker, thats what we want.>>153715975Fake numbers, this was brought up in the past.The first proper Demon Slayer movie made $1.2 billion dollars at the box office, there were 2 clip show movies, first clip show made $563 million dollars, second made $268 million and the 2nd proper movie only made $70 million, 99% of those profits were strictly Japan while the rest were from other Asian countries and Latin America.That Superman movie and the first proper Demon Slayer movie were a couple of years apart, it's not fare to compare them.>>153717241There's a difference between shows made for basement drawling otaku and actual girls, Glitch only makes cartoons for girls.>>153718570You will always have Popeye.
>>153718945>we newfag
i have a cool idea for an animated show about a fighting tournament and i really want to work with glitch to make it Yes main character is yet another girl :)
>>153718990It was made by women for women, they don't allow men at the studio as they fired Luke and Kevin because of it, Gooseworx got fired for being biological male and went to Apple to make and star in The Savant before Glitch forced Apple to pull it because of legal reasons while a female to male tranny killed herself after making The Gaslight District's pilot.They even killed off SMG4 because it was the only boys cartoon they had, they hate men that much.
>>153719076Take your meds
>>153718945>2nd proper movie only made $70 millionDemon Slayer had a 20M Budget and made this much. It's a HUGE success.
>>153719138No, that is the case.
>>153718945>What we DO want however is Bugs Bunny, Droopy, Popeye and Woody Woodpecker, thats what we want.Nobody but oldheads and dorks want that stuff.
>>153719152Shopped.Also out of that $20 million dollar budget only $2 million was spent on the actual film itself, the rest was just marketing and distribution with in Japan itself.
>>153714625You can always buy a $300 lunchbox/T-shirt combo to support Space King you fucking nerd.
>>153719183Wrong
>>153719183EVERYONE wants Bugs Bunny, Droopy, Popeye and Woody Woodpecker, it's why MeTV Toons is as huge as it is right now with it's 40+ million views per day.
>>153714625>Men have lostYeah, lost gallons to them
>>153719187>Shoppedhttps://www.boxofficemojo.com/title/tt32820897/
>>153719226No, they have MeTV Toons.
>>153714708>poorly written powerpoint slideshow that is just a parody of capeshit
>>153718285That one does have ongoing mysteries
>>153719207>40+ million views per day.That's it?
>>153714625>Incel schizo thread
>>153719229Picture is shopped and the link is to Mrs.Doubtfire.
>>153719254Meds
>>153719250Homo
>>153714625Reminder OP is a moron who only looks at whatever is trending specifically for things that trigger him. Every one of these "male masculinity" and "girlbosses" threads always go the same way of OP whining over culture war talking points he picked up from whatever is trending on twitter. I'm not sure OP can even comprehend any media except as an attack on his masculinity and closeted feelings.
>>153719243TV is dying and it's US only, MeTV Toons is lucky to get the 40+ million views it's getting.Most shows on MeTV Toons get 40+ million views, only crap like Captain Planet and The Wacky World of Tex Avery (not real Tex Avery shorts, those get over 40 million views as they air on their Tom and Jerry block) get less then that.
>>153719267No, that is the case.Seek help.
>>153719304Tv is dying but it gets 40 million views.
>>153719315Samefag
>>153719353And by it I mean MeTV Toons.
>>153719183Not only that, nobody wants new series to come out of that. Every time they release something new from an old series, everyone complains.
>>153719425He's lying you know.
>>153719315>>153719187>>153718945Why can't you accept reality? It's obvious this is more popular than your stupid movie, superfag.
>>153719463You're just lying at this point.
>>153719445Okay, but not me. If they release a new Popeye, everyone would hate it.
>>153719483>mindbroken
>>153714625>The future truly is female.Good. Chicks are hot and I want to fuck them and stroke my shit to them crazy style.
>>153719485Thats because the last animated project they did they overly kiddyfide it and took out any edges that the IP had, but the Eye Lie Popeye comic is well liked and is respected.
>>153719502No, thats you.>>153719517No. The future is MALE!
You heard anon, he only wants dicks in his cartoons
Why are all indie cartoons like this?
>>153719549Weird cope but ok
>>153719538>No. The future is MALE!I'll stroke my shit to them too if they're pretty.
>>153719587Crab Girl
>>153719697She's the designated ugly girl, retard. You're telling on yourself.
>>153719712>she doesn't count because... she just doesn't ok!
>>153719587Any actual example?
>>153719525Yes, I'm right. We'll never have series like that again, and don't bother me.
>>153719463Stop arguing with famicom. Just ignore him ffs.
>>153719792Ok
>>153719587>this image againI actually wish there were indie shows where men got to be a manly version of below. Tired of all these unfunny OneyNG wannabes making ugly funnymen.
>>153719742Anime.
>>153714625Last cartoon I know that tried got cancelled. I still consider it my favorite show
>>153719830Even if it's used for one piece, there are more "designated" ugly girls not just 1.
>>153719830>indie cartoons=animeretarded>>153719822True
Invincible already exists. op is a fag
>>153715552I'm a high school teacher and I can confirm that many of my male students and some of my female students are into Naruto. It's still as popular as it was back when I was in high school in 2007.
It's less that men lost and more just that cartoons lost the male audience.There's no real reason to watch modern cartoons if you're not gay or a woman.
>>153719968The first opening sequence of this show has the robot girl she fights get her guts ripped out of her and eaten. which is metal. Why would a man not want to see that?
>>153717877I'm glad Umetsu is still putting out new stuff, it's always funny seeing an ED or something where he was obviously the character designer.
>>153714625we had skibidi toilet before it spontaneously combusted
Sounds like you need to watch animation for MEN
>>153720020>robotDon't care.
Why are these guys even saying that female protagonists aren't wanted by men like they didn't watch sailor moon growing up? Or cardcaptor sakura. Plenty of boys like seeing girl protagonists.
>>153719822Space King
>>153720059The final fight of the episode is between a male dolphin and a male shark. The cast has plenty of men fighting stuff so far.
>>153716886Okay so the complaint isn't you want men, it's that you want MACHO which is fair.https://youtu.be/O-zZqrdybGE?si=kquHdbyEIcMb_7KuMay I interest you in the Chad Mexican animation?
>>153720052/thread
>>153720081>FurriesDon't care.
>>153720062>implying 00s cartoons didn't have a lot of variety with stuff for both men and women Lol. Also both sailor moon and ccs had fanservice
>>153720052I do enjoy me some Space King, I always find it funny how butthurt a certain subset of /co/ gets about it.
>>153720113im confused as to why you're saying there's nothing for guys these days like video games don't exist
I would bet my entire savings that the catgirl is manlier than OP
>>153720138I am not op though and I am on a cartoon board not on /vee/
>>153720095Sea creatures don't have fur retard
>>153720037That was for preschoolers, anon
>>153720153why should i give a fuck if you're not op. you anime faggots are all the same. Buncha whiny crybabies that think cartoons should be anime. Like go watch anime and stop whining and being a bitch. Or play video games. there's other stuff to do.
>>153714625Ngl that pilot was pretty mediocre
>>153720151/thread
>>153720138Video games are not /co/, and they are increasingly becoming more for women.
>>153720198What should we watch instead, then?
>>153720209>video games are for women>cartoons and comics are for womenIs there anything that isn't for women? those are my only hobbies. And i don't like anime.
>>153720219I am watching swat kats and thinking about doing a rewatch of batman the brave and the bold
>>153720249> those are my only hobbies.Grim. Try reading a book or playing a sport
>>153720184> Buncha whiny crybabies that think cartoons should be animeI want cartoons to be like they were in the 90s, I want something as good as Btas, is that too much to ask? Stop making faggy shit and return to the roots.
>>153720284But i dont want to read a book and i hate sports. I like to work out and watch cartoons nd play video games/listen to music. Fuck you. Oh wait is music also for girls only?
>>153720312Then go watch cartoons from the 90s. Im watching Gargoyles. Fuck youre a stupid son of a bitch kill yourself.
>>153720284Reading is also for women apparently, and I play rec soccer once a week. Something you once a week is barely a hobby, and if you're a grown ass man with a full time job, you aren't spending every weeknight at practice like you're in fucking high school again.
>>153719792>>153719821No, you have to pay attention to him because he is the only one her that knows what he is talking about.>>153720024That is fucking abysmal, this is what we want.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elrw3jqfeoE>>153720170Skibidi Toilet's market is over the age of 18 years old, it's far too violent for preschoolers.Skibidi Toilet isn't Blue's Clues.>>153720249Nintendo will like to have a word with you as their market is 99% male.
>>153720170Nope
>>153720334>you aren’t allowed to complain about the industry getting shitterStop throwing tantrums you manchild. Do you wnjoy modern slop that much? Even you prefer watching retro stuff.
>>153720312Animaniacs, not Batman: TAS as Warner Bros would've been better off spending the extra money on Tiny Toons instead.>>153720334Darkwing Duck, not Gargoyles.
>>153720151>>153720201Wrong
>>153720361That anon has no standards, he definitely watches and loves modern shit, it's all just pretty pictures and noise to him anyways.
>>153720361>its getting shittier because i said soGrow the fuck up you fucking retard. I can enjoy what i want without this idea of "being for men" as a draw because im not a whiny ass nigger like you weebs. Anime is shit all those anime that the op listed are gay.
oh no there's only a century's worth of televised media pandering to menwhat a catastrophe
>>153720315Actually nah, video games still have a lot of stuff made for males, only western cartoons are dealing with this problem.
>>153720369Oh sure the guy that watches cartoon has "no standard" Because you said so. you don't even know what quality is.
>>153720383Cope
>>153720410kill yourself
>>153720383>>it’s getting shittier because i said soLiterally every animation fan will tell you that the 90s were 1000x times better. Better colors, better directing, better writing. Not this garbage slop made for retarded zoomers like you. Watch Btas and compare it with the slop in the op.
>>153720415You should
>>153720424seething retard
>>153720421Animaniacs, not Batman: TAS.
>>153720249Jesus dude watch a movie or tv or something. Maybe go talk to real people in the real world.
>>153720439You are that
>>153720421>things were good until i started to hate the idea of female protagsSo you never played tomb raider because it was a girl?
>>153719906>Only example is decades old popular comic series made by someone that already has a massively successful TV adaptation
>>153720473And you're a waste of oxygen
>>153720474Disingenuous fag>>153720487Still you
>>153720514Why haven't you killed yourself yet you fucking idiot?
>>153720312>I want cartoons to be like they were in the 90sThis just goes back to the problem that TV in general has been having for decades, best exemplified in the Sci Fi channel's descent into bullshit. Back in the nineties you had people willing to throw money at just about any crazy new project hoping it would get big. That resulted in a big variety of projects, each with various but often decent enough budgets to do good work. Some probably went about it smarter than others and cut certain corners for better or worse, but the end result we saw looked great.Over time, there's more and more demand for a return on interests, and cable subscriptions and nielson box ratings aren't a direct enough indicator to know if you're getting your money back. So they start making safer bets. You watch Nickelodeon you see it start shoring down into the most basic shit. Sci Fi (now SyFy) becomes almost nothing but shitty Asylum movies and 10-minute commercial breaks. The quality starts dropping around the board with any remaining effort pumped into maybe one or two projects at a time, so if neither of them appeal to you, it feels like everything sucks.tl;dr rich assholes penny pinching leaves less money pool for experimentation and variety.
>>153720052Spaceking's success proves there's a problem, because what spaceking is for 40k autists there should be for all the other breeds of male aspies.
>>153715620that so based..........that means she made for rape..............sexo .........
>>153720257Something current I mean. I can rewatch a series I've seen a million times whenever and it'll be the same.
>>153720249beer and prostitutes.
>>153714625it's literally never been easier than ever now to make your own cartoon, and yet youll just continue to bitch and bitch.the irony of yall yearning for muh masculinity while being passive, whiny low-test mfs is not lost on me.sick and tired of fake niggas, man.
>>153720538One could also make the argument that TV's explosion around the 80s/90s came about because the equipment to make and produce shows became more accessible. I'm thinking of stuff like video toaster or cheaper handheld video cameras. In the early 2000s the rise of flash animation trained up a whole generation of would-be animators but unfortunately that coincided with both an economic recession and a loss of faith in animation in general. It's actually interesting bringing up Gameoverse because it started life as a newgrounds animation. Maybe we're seeing those animators finally getting a foothold, and if they succeed, maybe we can have a new renaissance again.As another anon said, this batch is so female-focused because these were conceived in a time when you had a glut of boy-media. Adventure time, Ben 10, the original Avatar, etc. The answer to getting more stuff that panders to you isn't to limit what's being made even more, it's to make sure there's enough resources to go around that the space exists for your things to blossom also. Everyone can win if there's enough support available and if everyone isn't just competing for the least common denominator.
>>153720647No
>>153720349Wow, everything you said is wrong and stupid.
>>153720629I watched Primal and some anime. Also I am sure you haven’t watched literally every old cartoon.
>>153720693No, what I said is right and smart.Touch grass.
>>153720654>it's literally never been easier than ever now to make your own cartoon, and yet youll just continue to bitch and bitch.There are hundreds if not thousands of dudes right now with a new male centric action ip, but nobody will promote anything that isn't either riding preestablished clout, dick riding a corpo money man, or advertising exclusively on goon farming or grandstanding.The next Ben 10 or TMNT is already made and sitting on the table trying to be seen.
>>153720838>The next Ben 10 or TMNT is already made and sitting on the table trying to be seen.Properties like that lived and died by merch sales and your average parent can barely afford rent anymore let alone a mountain of plastic garbage. Only lonely single people living in a cheap-ass apartment can afford those and they're buying stuffed animals or model kits.
>>153720838Nobody wants things like Ben 10 and TMNT is the thing.What we want is the next Bugs Bunny and Woody Woodpecker.
>>153720870Nope
>>153720881Yes, you're delulu if you think otherwise.
>>153720838You have to do it yourself for free and put it on youtube for free and hope someone buys a superchat for the premiere of episode 2 because there's no ad revenue
>>153720870Man, we really have lost the art of slapstick, haven't we? Cheers to the Mickey Mouse reboot cartoons that tried to exploit its animation for visual gags, it feels like such a dying art these days.
>>153720920Unless PCBWay or JLCPCB fund it like with 90% (45% each) of YouTubers that do get a sponsor.
>>153720654WORD. and then when you tell them to actually do something they cope like>you ever wonder why NOBODY does that despite all the people begging for it? Because people know that the second they release even a small cartoon about a knight saving a princess that doesn't get subverted by woke crap, they'll get doxxed and cancelled on every website because it's muh oppreshun o algo.There are really """people""" who believe this delusion. Wacky.
>>153720904You are
>>153721038No, you.
>>153720920>You have to do it yourself for free and put it on youtubeNIGGA THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. The algorithm makes you invisible without consistent uploads, which is impossible for 1 person making something that takes entire teams months to complete without taking a total detour from your actual project to make low-effort slop. And on the other end, art communities are toxic petty cliques that demand sycophantic circle jerking over crap everyone outside of the hugbox is sick to death of seeing.I would post my shit if this wasn't an obvious Schizo thread, and I'm not bringing that lolcow heat to accounts.
Every single thread on this fucking website jesus christ
>>153721114Yes you
>>153721131No.
This thread is why they stopped pandering to you specifically lol
>>153721164Lol, you are weak.
>>153720750Go back to r*ddit
>>153721197You're the one making a seethe thread about it on a third world website
Honestly, I find this thread very autistic, but the reason I stopped caring about cartoons is just that I'm too old for this shit.Zoomer sensibilities disgust me, so I have no reason to interact with or care about the cartoons they like or discuss as a fucking 30 year old.
>>153721222>>153721221Your mind is the third world
>>153721287i hope the next glitch cartoon has another female lead just to make you mad :)
>>153714666>Cartoons have been girl power for over 40 yearsftfy
>>153721341Buster Bunny will like to have a word with you.
>>153721321Cope>>153721341No
>>153721235Very mature post Anon. You sound like a bigboy.
>>153719742
>>153721400>CopeWith what? the fact male leads are dead? lol
>>153720696My point is, watching something that's new and current is a completely different experience
>>153721404He’s right, no matter how much you seethe >>153721423Your balls are
>>153720367Post proof then
>>153721441>Your balls are They sure are every time i'm done with yo mama
>>153721453The truth is already out there.>>153721457Lol, you wish
>>153721523Nah she's right here in the bed with me say hi to your new daddy, son
>>153716834>Skibbidy toilet mogged everything glitch put outI wasn't aware losing all rights to your own project counted as mogging
>>153717177Unironically a fair point.The market drives a lot of things.
>>153717492Perhaps /co/ could actually make something instead of screaming and crying in seething envy over GLITCH's success
>>153716569>woman should be allowed to dress how they want>NO NOT LIKE THAT!
The creator of this show is a literal troon
>>153722368And I should care why?
>>153722483That's why >>153721400 loves it so much.
>>153714625>Men have lost.Gay men maybe. Straight men are glad to 'oon to pomni and the cat girl
>>153722548That poster is everywhere these days. His comments might as well be avatarfagging
>>153722585Straight men wat Laura Haruna and Katie Minami, not Pommi.
>>153722601He's known as AdventureTranny
>>153714625"Men," these shows are for children anon.
>>153722618>literally who
>>153722814The 2 biggest characters of the 2000s, Laura was the bigger one but Katie was almost just as big.
>>153718542You lost, puritan
>>153720349famicom, your life has no value
>>153721037>shartynigger
>>153722968Is that what they call themselves? Such an odd group.
>>153722912A puritan like me has a bizarre fate when it comes to the love train.
>>153722943His life is much more valuable then anyone else here.
