Necessary or Assclownery?
>>153721845The laws must apply to everyone
>>153721845It’s interesting to take the idea to its logical conclusion but it feels like something that should not be done in a mainstream book, rather a different property or universe with their own characters and not established ones
I don't see why the law should apply differently to people because of a genetic difference or surviving an accident.
>>153721845The more worldbuilding and shared universe stuff you're doing, the more likely you'll have to address how society adapts to the existence of superhumans, but it's probably not a thread to pull on too hard, especially if you're a writer with only a surface level understanding of the law you've gained by watching TV shows, just as it's not usually a good idea for an action-centric superhero book to get stuck in legal drama for months.And while you can go comedy stories built around trials or the legal profession, introducing the idea that the in-story versions of Marvel Comics were legally admissible evidence in court as 100% accurate records of what happened was just retarded and not as funny as they thought it was.
>>153721845My father is a retired lawyer, I'll ask tonight.
>>153721845It's lame because we do things like Constrictor sues Thor instead of Sabretooth getting falsely accused or something.
>>153721884>>153721938Universality of the law is built on the somewhat false premise that all people are equal. That needs to be explored in earnest
>>153722232So what? Because someone is a mutant, they are allowed to steal?
>>153722348To be fair, the entire morality system of 'the mutant community' in modern X-books is built around the idea that everything's OK if mutants do it, but it's an unforgiveable crime if the same thing is done to mutants.
>>153722348I think you know that's not what's being said and you're just a bad faith, rage baiting faggot.
>>153722232Example:Two 15-year-old identical heterosexual male twins are both raped on the same day. One by his hot 27 year old teacher named Cindy, the other by a 6'6" black guy named Big Dick Randy. Under the law, if all people are equal, this is exactly the same crime, and the teacher should get the same jail time as Randy. Anyone with two braincells to rub together knows that's retarded. Universality under the law is a broken concept.
>>153722107It's too wacky to be taken seriously, when are trying to be serious like how they fumbled Starfox's shit.
>>153722555No its not, larper
>>153721845This is a classic
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>>153722965Nice cope
>>153721845Assclownery for sure. That kind of shit would make lawyers an instant villains. Could you bear to see Daredevil and She Hulk turning into villains?
>>153725780>Could you bear to see Daredevil and She Hulk turning into villains?About that...>She-Hulk crashedout and destroyed Bone Idaho.>Daredevil became the leader of The Hand.
>>153725780There is a whole archetype called mob lawyer.
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PAD was the only one to make it work.
>>153721845Oh, it's the tiny face artist
>>153728203Calling them an artist is beyond generous.
>>153721938If I look at you, nothing happens. If a mutant looks at you, the punch beams from the punch dimension they shoot uncontrollably out their eyes kills you to death.
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>>153721845What is going on with his costume in the last panel. I don't like it.
>>153728390Autistic loicense.
Procedural has a lot of potential with that kind of madness.
>>153727913hehe
>>153721845I mean they are vigilantes which IRL IS illegal so it makes sense to hold them to SOME legal standard if they really are the good guys they claim to be.BUT stupid shit like the Mutant Registration Act and the Superhuman Registration Act are dystopian totalitarian horseshit pushed in bad faith by cowards, populists and terrorists like Bolivar Trask or Norman Osborn and we already saw how the latter went with superhuman extradimensional Gitmo, cybernetic Thor clones, deputizing murderous cannibals and the whole mess with the Secret Invasion, and the Dark Reign with H.A.M.M.E.R. leading up to the Siege where yeah, no shit regulating superheroes and putting S.H.I.E.L.D. in the hands of a baby murdering psychopath was a bad idea. But that's politics for ya.
>>153728535And the whole profiling and Minority Report garbage was literally called out in-universe for being retarded as both the story and the Tom Cruise film adaptation were confirmed to canonically exist in Earth-616 during Civil War II.
>>153721845do any heroes exist that are also cops?
>>153728599I don't know.
>>153721845/co/ is too embarrassed to admit they ever liked this.
>>153721884doom disagrees.
>>153728599iron man and captain marvel have pretended to be nazi cops a few times.
>>153721845spiderman is the nortubel of marvel
>>153722896>Anyone with two braincells to rub together knows that's retarded.Why?You yourself stated that both have raped the twins. This means that both have forced themselves on a minor to initiate a sexual intercurse.You didn't specify if any of them has used more force, caused more injury, issued harsher threats, etc. Those are aggravating factors.You can argue that the man has penetrated a boy, and this is a bigger violation of a minor's body. But, on the other hand, the female was a teacher, so she has abused her position of trust and authority over a minor. It is reasonable to give exact same sentence in both cases.
>>153722965A fucking Sabertooth was given diplomatic immunity and taken away from a court by Emma Frost because only mutants are fit to judge mutants for crimes done against humans
>>153730055The rapist cannibal? Sabretooth?
>>153722167>instead of Sabretooth getting falsely accusedThe dude has comitted every atrocity under the sun gleefully, what is there to falsely accuse him with
>>153728551It was even more retarded because the kid was hardly the first dude with future-seeing powers to exist on Earth in the marvel universe, the importance the plot was placing on his existance made no sense.
>>153730087That's why he would make the perfect patsy/red herring.
What kind of courtroom opens straight into the streets of New York? Or was Spiderman launching himself from the opposite wall outside that door instead of just walking through the door for no reason?
>>153730147Shh turn off your brain and enjoy the proto-Reddit ride.
>>153730166Yeah, but boy I hope someone got fired for that blunder.
>>153730055He was given immunity by the nation that was trying to put him on trial. Then he was tried by the country he was an actual citizen of, so what are you bitching about.
>>153728599Savage Dragon is technically a cop first and a superhero second, but that was the original. His son is just a regular superhero.
>>153730181Probably that the X-men copped an attitude that mutants were above capital punishment compared to humanity, only to basically send Sabertooth to tree prison where he gets mentally tortured for eternity while also being ass raped every second.And that the imprisonment didn’t even work since he broke out in less than a year
>>153728535Honestly, the Superhuman registration act makes more sense if you assume it was a ploy by the US to circumvent the constitution and force superheroes to serve as members of the military in response to how far SHIELD had been fucking up in the comics.
>>153721845Superheroes should be licensed and accountable but none of that gay retard shit from the mcu where you cant act unless the gov says so
>>153730420Sabretooth breaks out of every prison, you can't even kill him and have him stay dead. As for torture he went on mental fantasy adventures and shit then when he was bored of that he made a hell for everyone down there because he's a giant piece of shit. Krakoa's only mistake was being lenient with their villains and complacent to their enemies.
>>153730181Retard, the point was that mutants of an ethnostate fascist nation believed that only their own ethnostate fascist nation could judge their own civilians for crimes committed in other nations, and you just confirmed that's the case and asked what was my problem.
>>153722896Real talk Big Dick Randy was a sick track.
>>153730712By Xavier’s own admission, the entire plan of Krakoa was a mistake from start to finish, particularly because such a plan involved turning all their backs on their friends in favor of their enemies under the umbrella of “necessity”, then gave far too much empowerment to their enemies on the assume they could pacify them with all the power and resources they wanted while naively believing they could plan for the inevitable betrayals. Only to still be caught off guard at all those betrayals and still end up homeless vagrants on the run from the law yet again, just with everyone finally seeing the X-men going mask off in terms of finally admitting that they’ve swallowed Magneto’s views of human-mutant relations entirely.
>>153722144He commented "Necessary Assclownery" is a good description for the law in general.
>>153730181They're larpers that don't read comics but want to complain about muh SJWs anyways because that's all they have in their pathetic lives.
>>153728535The core tenets of the Superhuman Registration Act are fine (if you have powers you must register with the government and superheroes must now be trained law enforcement agents whose activities are subject to oversight) the problem was always the wildly disproportionate penalties.>>153730181That he was forcibly released from custody under diplomatic immunity despite not being a member of a diplomatic mission in a protected posting then subjected to cruel and unusual punishment for breaking a law that did not exist until after he was punished.
>>153730774you complained because emma expected the united states to follow its own laws by not trying a guy they had no jurisdiction over in a thread about superheroes following the law.>>153730875I assume you're talking about immortal 13 without context as typical, and he doesn't say this. He's unrepentant in 700 and he's unrepentant in manhunt.>going mask off in terms of finally admitting that they’ve swallowed Magneto’s views of human-mutant relations entirely.england, russia, and the us openly declared unprovoked war on them and the narrative wants to pretend like they didn't, somehow magneto even changes his mind after having his views vindicated completely.
>>153730990>for breaking a law that did not exist until after he was punished.He was expressly told by magneto he couldn't kill anyone beforehand. At his trial he trys to murder the entire council because he's sabretooth, of course he does.
>>153722232"Equal" in the US constitution means morally equal in a philosophical sense (not including black people but nevermind). They knew that some people were stronger or smarter than others, they werent morons
>>153730857For some reason, 1, 2, and 3, became my mix for playing dark souls 3. When I had trouble with a boss, I'd put on the track and take some ass. It's an inside joke between my wife and I now.
>>153730047Anon, that's retarded. You have to adopt a retarded logic to make these two things seem equal in traumatic gravity when of course, they are not. This is why legal universality is so stupid. You're proving the point.
>>153731007>england, russia, and the us openly declared unprovoked war on themNow who’s the one making shit up? Eesh, Krakoa stans are embarrassing.Btw they’d already agreed with Magneto that mutants and humans will never get along since House of M, they just knew to hide their racism from their allies and friends under self-pity and bitching about how they’re going extinct.
>>153731143I have a similar rapport with my GF. We'll randomly quote it. "Where is your ass and where is your candy?!"
>>153730047>She was in a position of authority, therefore, her pussy on his dick is exactly as traumatic as a BBC in his ass! Send her to jail!Mocking midwits would be way more fun if the enshittification of human society wasn't basically entirely the fault of their pseudointellectualism and narcissistic delusions.
>>153731007Krakoa committed acts of war against both the UK and Russia and openly abused diplomatic immunity to carry out criminal actions in the USA. If anything the 616 response to Krakoa's fuck-fuck games was a mild chiding compared to the real world fallout of such actions.
>>153731389>>153731316Humanities own killer anti mutant ai was going to wipe them all out and the x-men still gave up everything to save them all, even after the hellfire gala and scott getting tortured and his eyes sewn shut. This time at least marvel was nice enough to them to not have avengers explicitly be the ones attacking them unlike the last 3 times.
>>153731453>Humanity’s ownThey’d long gone against humans, retard. Even then, Orchis was literally just a distraction from Enigma, aka Mr Sinister ascended to godhood, who wouldn’t have been in the position to threaten reality that he was in without both the X-men’s help. They were literally just cleaning up the mess they helped enable at that point, like almost every single earth-borne extinction level threat to mutants in the past 30 years or so.
>>153731453The killer ai is literally a bootstrap paradox transplant from another timeline.
>>153721845Trying to discuss law in comics is retarded because it will always be a game of pick and choose to support whatever narrative the writers are going for. For example villains will never be put to death by the state. Even if a state has outlawed the death penalty so many villains go beyond that and can be classified as terrorists. Especially the ones who break out of prison constantly. The idea that the various local, state, and the federal government would just be down with letting these very clear and obvious public threats remain is asinine. Fuckers like Doc Ock and Taskmaster would have been sentenced to death or put down twelve times over already. But if they were it means that they can no longer show up in comics and give Spider-Man shit.
>>153731154Poor kid got shit in school everyday since fucking the teacherWhile Randy took his big dick and left in silence never bothering the kid again
>>153731486Enigma is an ai god created by the ultimate human exploiter of mutantdom. Blaming them for him isn't the win you think it is.
>>153731684Kek. Man that Randy, he's a menace.
>>153731684The dude I knew in HS who fucked a teacher was a legend. His reputation did not suffer even slightly with the guys or the girls.
>>153731776It’s not a win, anon. That’s the point. Everyone was played for suckers, the humans, the robots, especially the mutants. The X-men willingly let a snake into the garden of Eden thinking they’d outplayed Sinister, and still threw a shitfit at the humans when they watched the snake burning down the entire garden all around them. They massively fucked up through their own choices, and the fans still twist themselves into pretzels to try and blame humanity as a whole rather than the X-men. Hell, note that I’m actually being fair calling out the X-men specifically and not pinning the blame on mutantkind as a whole, cause I’m pretty sure the average Ugly John wouldn’t have been stupid enough to think they could neuter Sinister with the pathetically lax level of measures the X-men tried.
>>153731638In other words, the problem of superhero law is that comics are inherently garbage.
>>153731932>Dude tell your girlfriend to change the test>Dude your girlfriend wanna suck my minor dick too
>>153732111This is like how high school jocks are written in bad Netflix shows.
>>153732083Yeah, they're bad.
>>153732111Did you actually talk to people when you were in school?
>>153728599Pic related. Real heroes, anon, one and all.(just kidding? I don't know what the gimmick is with these guys I just think they look cool)
>>153734102Reminds me of THX-1138.
>>153728535The thing is that Norman was right on principle but in order to keep these unregulated underwear outside the pants stories going they had to make him do weird crazy bridge-licking shit to make him be "wrong." They had him correctly predict like five big events before they happened. The Hulk had WWH and whatever the fuck it is he's doing now, the mutants had Krakoa and the weird shit they're up to now (and still playing victims even though their plans to conquer Earth and turn it into a mutant ethno-planet failed and they've still stolen Mars for themselves). And that whole thing with Doom. Norman called it. Dude's a latter day Cassandra.
>>153733254Those conversations were deep man
>>153728375Man, remember when Magneto willingly let himself be judged in the 80s and nazis Mutants tried to kill him for being a Jew? Crazy.
>>153734175No, Norman’s thing is that he’s right in that the world is a mess, but his argument was that he should be the one to solve it, which decades of running around dressed as a goblin throwing pumpkin bombshell at people invalidates on the basis he’s just as fucking messed up as the freaks he claims to be protecting the world against.
>>153732035What? The mutant eugenist who had connections with nazis, with his own concentration camps, and clones himself and others behind their backs multiple times, backstabs the whole nation? Wow who could've seen it coming.But sure it was always the meanie humans.
>>153734408If you ask the X-men fandom, yes. They’re fucking weird.
>>153734245The X-Men writers sure don't!
>>153732083Not inherently but the reliance on the status quo has led to a situation where you have a population of retards who keep putting a dog in a pen with a big opening and then a group of retard who are slightly less retarded catch those dogs and then put them back in the pen. And have a bunch of dramatic arguments about methods of catching the dogs while the retards just keep the pen open.
>>153721845Assclownery at times.>"erm the Avengers can't vouch for Hulk cuz they are masked">Somehow they want them to stand trial for not bending the knee to Peter Gyrich's gestapo tendencies.
Shit like this makes me embarrassed that I even got into comics in the first place.
>>153735594You get an eye roll from me.
>>153722107>introducing the idea that the in-story versions of Marvel Comics were legally admissible evidence in court as 100% accurate records of what happened was just retarded and not as funny as they thought it was.To borrow a word from True Blood it's fucktarded.
>>153731154>it is retarded because... it is, okay?!The original post stated that both cases were rape.In the real life law there are aggravating factors that make the crime more severe and increase the sentenced punishment The post didn't co tainted any details besides gander of the rapists and one being a teacherThe clear aggravating factors we get from that is abuse of position (woman) and penetration (man)Everything else is assumption. You are assuming that twins weren't both faggots and the one raped by a woman didn't enjoy it less than one raped by a manHeck, even penetration being done solely by the man is a pure assumption. Like there are no sex tools available to let the woman penetrate if she wants to feel powerful. She could even shovel her fingers into the boy's asshole Point stands: it can be reasonable to sentence both the same, depending on exact details of their crimes
How about this moral quandary, would it be considered justice if an alternate universe version of yourself killed your murderer?
>>153737375>an alternate universe version of yourself killed your murdererIs this some multiverse refugee propaganda? Asking because a multiverse refugee Miles Morales made a pact with Mephisto.
>>153737659Just a thought experiment. I believe the multiverse should have stronger borders and an enforcement agency to deal with all these multiverse refugees.
>>153737836Good idea. Consider creating a subdivision to ensure that Doom stays dead.
>>153737836>All continuity errors are just visitors from another dimension. I quit comics are stupid and I've wasted my life.
bump
>>153721845Yes necessary
>>153721845Yes, I think detroit had an actual superhero who fought crime and they immediately made new laws for him
real life superheroes are so damning
>>153725896Were they involved in the case equivalent of Ford vs Dodge (1919) lawsuit in the comics, if any?
