What does /co/ think of this film?
>>153729567Forever is tolerable.
>>153729567BABY
>>153729567Aesthetic were fucking mint, Burton's Gotham is good for the goth thing but honestly Schumacher's vision gave it a fever dream madness that helped accentuate Two-Face and Riddler.
>>153729567I get oddly emotional during the scene when Robin saves Batman.
Two-Face and Riddler were too manic, Kilmer's Batman is possible the least interesting ever. Also, some questionable shit. There's a car chase scene where Batman is ESCAPING from Two-Face and his goons. He RUNS AWAY.
>>153729567Underrated Drank out of my McDonald's glass more times than I can count
>>153729567No strong opinions one way or the other.
Absymal. The tone is not the problem just the dogshit script and characterization. Jones Dent so poorly conceived, Carey on autopilot just rehashing better performances in ace/mask/d+d. The opening vault sequence and batsuit are cool, the set and production design and that's about it.
>>153730037>Riddler>Too ManicI dunno what the hell you were expecting from Jim Carrey as Frank Gorshin.
Returns > > 89 > > > > Forever
These movies all have mediocre scripts but the celebrity actors and set design are so good I honestly stopped caring. Returns is probably the best one because of catwomen and the scene where the penguin hijacks the batmobile.
There’s something really fun to me that Schumacher was partially inspired by Golden Age colors and aesthetics( because he himself grew up in the 40s) but also really cutting edge modern goth and club aesthetics.I can see stuff like a giant typewriter existing in Schumacher’s Gotham, but it’d be lit up with neon lights and be on some skyscraper’s roof
>>153733508the coins in that machine must be huge
>>153733634Would be neat if Batman wound up keeping one, like in the Batcave or something, as a souvenir
The movie's biggest sin is that it wastes a lot of great actors. Kilmer, Kidman, and Jones all were underwhelming and deserved better material (though Kilmer's Bruce declaring that he was Batman only to be drowned out by the crowd was a nice scene for him). Jim Carrey has to carry the whole movie on his back. And I still don't quite understand what it was that people liked about Chris O'Donnell in the 90's.That said, excellent aesthetics and arguably the greatest movie soundtrack ever.
>>153733660>don't quite understand what it was that people liked about Chris O'Donnell in the 90's.You just had to be there, couldn't get away from him really. America had O'Donnell fever.
>>153733660>>153733908Chris O'Donel was chosen because of the '93 Three Musketeers adaptation, which should've been a clever layup if you're committing to Robin that age, coming from a swashbuckling movie to being Robin.But they couldn't quite hit the target.Three Musketeers is solid, not excellent but it's the type of movie that makes a good weekend afternoon watch. I'm surprised it's never been rediscovered and considered kino or something.
>>153729567Forever is fun, idcThe only off part of it is its doing Adam West Batman while LOOKING like Burtons Batman and thats makes the tone jarring
>>153729567Weird instance of the heroes having a more compelling story than the villains. Two-Face is just being discount Joker for the whole movie and Riddler's motivation is all over the place.>"I'll get revenge on Bruce Wayne!">"Also, I'll kill Batman for some reason!">"Oh, it turns out that Bruce Wayne is Batman!">"Now, I'll capture Bruce Wayne's girlfriend!">"Also, I'll kidnap Robin five seconds before my master plan!">"This is all leading to my master plan where I make him choose between being Bruce or Batman despite the fact I had no way of knowing Robin even existed until just now!"
Sugar and Spice are super hot and should show up whenever Two-face does.
>>153734237It should be fun, it's fun in theory or memory, all the pieces are there but it never actually coalesces to fun.
I miss when movies were actually events people looked forward to for years.
>>153734664This.
Is it just me or is batman significantly weaker here compared to how he's portrayed in btas
IT SUCKED BACK THEN AND IT SUCKS FOREVER
>>153729567Has any Burtonverse continuation ever included Forever and B&R or are they always ignored?
>>153735184this>>153734237>its doing Adam West Batmanit's really, really not though
It's not THAT bad right? I'm about to watch it for the first time
>>153735163One is a cartoon and the other is live action so I don’t know what you’re trying to compare. Even with how goofy Forever is or how serious BTAS was, there’s visual concessions and expectations about the respect mediums
>>153729567Funny how Two Face died in almost the exact same way in Forever as he did in Dark Knight
>>153735891Of course it is
>>153729567Me being a kid when this and >>153736118 came out it was awesome same with me thinking Godzilla 98 was awesome.
>>153729567I’ve only seen the first and thought it was mostly mediocre and hard carried by its aesthetics.Jack Nicholson’s Joker is awesome however, I don’t even really care if it’s “inaccurate”.
>>153736292it's not, and I don't mean to single you out, I know its become a meme to say so, but it doesn't hold up. It's just "Durr lighter tone? I know- like '66!!!" But 66 had clever, engaging writing. This is just nonsensical slop.
‘89 is my favorite. It’s fairly focused, and the performances are very good. Returns is still very good, but it’s not as focused. There’s a lot of random bullshit that feels like Tim Burton playing with action figures, and it never feels like Catwoman really knows what she’s doing. Forever is very watchable. Jones would have been a good Two Face with a good script. Carrey would never have been a good riddler. Still, the aesthetic makes it worthwhile. Kilmer is a fine batman IG.Batman & Robin is not salvageable. Uma Thurman is hot. Arnold is earnest. The aesthetic holds up, less so than forever. The story is hot shit. None of the heroes seem like they care. Bane is obviously terrible. Don’t watch unless you have to.
>>153736756>Carrey would never have been a good riddlerI wild take but you deserve points for originality
>>153734474It would make more sense if Riddler already knew that Batman and Bruce Wayne were the same person earlier in the movie.
>>153734529Back when Drew Barrymore was trying to stay relevant
>>153729567Colorful
Forever is the only time since 66 they've bothered to put Batman in a Batman movieall the other Batman schlock, Burton, Nolan, Snyder, is some mentally ill Punisher expy dressed as Batman
>>153738448>Forever is the only time since 66 they've bothered to put Batman in a Batman movieWhat exactly is it about Kilmer's performance that makes you say that?
>>153733508Yea Schumacher understood the materialI've even started to look at B&R with nostalgia
>>153738474I was referring to both script, aesthetics, and performancebut as for Kilmer, he is the best Batman simply for his Conroy esque range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_jw_VYRjYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11tbL8l5Av8https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTBzCVHojYwThe movie understood that the heart of Batman is a empath who wants to save his enemiesalso his growl actually works because it's not every fucking lone>you need help, harvey...
>>153738448I started watching Batman & Robin and the guy they replaced him with is sooo fucking bad.
Keaton's Batman feels more like a mannequin then a character
>>153736118It is. It rightfully earned its reputation as one of the worst movies ever made. People look back at it more fondly now because of nostalgia and the glut of super hero movies that all look the same nowadays but B&R is an insanely boring, poorly paced movie where fuck all makes sense. Again, compared to the slop of superhero movies we have today that all look like cheap TV movies and the story is paper thin and supported by unending quips it’s looked back on more fondly but in a vacuum it’s a seriously shitty movie. RIP Joel Schumacher tho
>>153735606Maybe the upcoming LEGO game, but that's more of mashing all the movies into its own single canon.
>>153729567Forever is kino, sanctioned buffoonery and all.
>>153734474>Weird instance of the heroes having a more compelling story than the villains.Yeah, it's really weird they made a movie called BATMAN Forever and it's about some dude named BATMAN. Whoever thought about the named protagonist being the focus of the script?
>>153738607You can tell Clooney was just there for a paycheck. Kilmer at least made a good Bruce Wayne, Clooney just plays himself in every scene and itching for Schumacher to yell cut.
>>153738910Dynamic set design in and of itself is not kinography if all the other elements aren't up to snuff. The best Bat flicks, Returns and The Batman, succeed on characterization. Which the Schumachers and Nolans lack.
>>153739043>Clooney just plays himself in every sceneMany of the best actors do. He's far closer to winking, smirking West than Kilmer if we're playing that card.
never leave the cave without it
>>153739083>The best Bat flicks, Returns and The Batmanlol, lmaoReturns has stupid shit like Batman suddenly attaching a bomb to a thug and smiling like a looney toons character, not to mention Max Shrek who could be written out of the movie entirely. And let's not forget this very Bruce Wayne moment from 89:https://youtu.be/lnVEUB3RMW0?si=uqWyVLIVOcTs1NR0Burton himself is not a comic fan and it shows. He's gets praise for his aesthetics but his character writing was almost as corny and over the top as Joel's.
>>153739105Nah, Kilmer was ok at best as Batman, but he makes up for it as Bruce Wayne.Clooney just sleepwalks through his performance with no variation in his portrayal.
>>153739209when people talk about Returns like it's Kubrick or something you know what they're really on about
>>153739209>Returns has stupid shit like Batman suddenly attaching a bomb to a thug and smiling like a looney toons characterFiltered>Max Schreck could be completely written out?!?!? Everything in the movie happens because of him wtf anon>you wanna get nuts?!Tbf that bit was cobbled together because they didn’t have a finished script when shooting thanks to the writers strike so a lot of the second half of the movie was ad-libbed. Also Jon Peters wanted a manic-Keaton moment. Still tho it’s a kino scene sorry you got filtered. >Burton’s writingSam Hamm wrote the script, anon
>>153741066>Sam Hamm wrote the scriptThat's why it was so hammy!
>>153735163TAS Batman used to get bodied by random goons.
>>153741135Batman in the Golden Age used to get his shit kicked in tooAll the bronze age wushu shit is garbage
>>153741066Cope, Returns is Burtonslop.
>>153742767>>153739209Embarrassing
>>153729567>ForeverThey clearly regretted killing Joker off because they just turned Two Face into him.Riddler is... not Riddler enough? Like I'm fine with Jim Carrey playing the guy but he needs to be playing Riddler not Carrey.The way the two antagonists worked with each other was downright homosexual at times, which actually found weirdly compelling. Robin was okay in parts. As my sister noted during his little escapade, if your freshly-orphaned Dick Grayson isn't a flight risk, you're not doing him right, so they got that down at least.Really though I just wish they took more cues from the then-solidly established BTAS.
>>153741066>Muh filteredShut the fuck up, if your Batman movie refuses to be Batman then it's a shit Batman movie.
I won't say they were actually good, they weren't, but I think the Schumacher films were treated a little unfairly at the time. People didn't get what he was going for. It doesn't help that camp in general is really hit or miss for an audience. I think they've since found their niche in people who find them interesting but flawed. Schumacher Gotham unironically the best live action Gotham though.
>>153744199NTA but it's the most Batman Batman movie there is
>>153746050It's a Penguin movie starring Batman.
>>153744607The look of Gotham was great. Everything else was not. It is closer to being so-bad-it's-good rather than being just bad.
>>153746411>and when Batman's not on screen everyone should be asking "where's Batman?"
>>153744199>guy in bat costume fights crazy villains in a gothic citySeems pretty Batman to me
>>153738995Don't be disingenuous. You know villains usually carry movies by virtue of taking proactive action.
>>153736118There are hints of a good movie here and there, but it's a bit of a mess. It's not bad for being campy, but it can't really have a cohesive plot to save its life. The movie starts with Bruce refusing to trust Dick, and by the end Bruce turns it around and says that Dick doesn't trust him enough. It also doesn't help that Dick is a lot less useful in this film than he was in Forever, which only worsens the trust issue.
>>153736756>Carrey would never have been a good riddler.He's honestly not terrible as Edward Nygma, if only because he never really goes too over the top out of his supervillain persona. Y'know, aside from the brain draining scene. But it definitely does feel like Batman vs. Two-Face and Ace Ventura.
>>153729567I liked the design. The city. The weird gangs. Also I had a crush on robin at age 10.
>>153738868>It rightfully earned its reputation as one of the worst movies ever made.No, it's over-hated. It's nowhere close to being as clever or funny as it needed to be if it wanted to be a 1990s version of Adam West Batman, even if it actually had pulled that off flawlessly it would still have had most of the same screeching about it. People were raging against this movie before it was even out because the fanboy sentiment was that they wanted grimdark Batman only.It's a flawed movie that has it's moments and has great visual aesthetics, it's nowhere close to being one of the worst movies of all time, even if you just limit yourself to Hollywood blockbusters.>>153739209>Max Shrek who could be written out of the movie entirely>and replaced by the actual Shrek
>>153738868someone has never watched Love on a Leash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbtZt1NDyE8
Tommy Lee Jones was the worst part of Batman Forever if he had just acted like himself (a cranky piece of shit) instead of a bad Cesar Romero's Joker then it would have been fine
>>153746411So like a Penguin focused arc of Batman, right
>>153729567I think Forever was fine. I enjoyed it a lot as a kid. I think Batman and Robin pushed it too far.
