How did Gameoverse succeed where Monkey Wrench failed? I don't understand!
Misogynistic cartoon
These threads are thinly veiled marketing if you post here you're a midwit
>>153732505just being tied to glitch production give it a marketing push
having multiple dubs will also lower the entry level for a lot of people.Monkey Wrench only have subs in spanish and thats it.
>>153732576Less that and more just Anons desperate for attention. Genuinely don’t care about the show, just want to farm (you)‘s. Happens with every new release of even a somewhat anticipated show.
Gameroverse had the Game Grumps crowd. It's really not that complicated.
>>153732683This is objectively right. You see how people around here reacted after seeing Kit and just put down all other female body types and characters that have come out these past few years? You can't give an inch to these coomers. They immediately start trying to force a new era in history the second they get their marching orders
>>153732505>Cute/Sexy cat girl protag with outfit changes built in>Kingdom Hearts esque concept ripe for an explosion of crossover art (further helped by protag girl being hot)>On Team Glitch which has built a positive reputation so its noticed by more people
>>153732683>I am ugly and jealous of fictional female characterEvery fucking time.
>>153732683>>153732732Women shouldn't even be allowed to vote let alone dictate what we can make with art. More hot cat girls please.
>>153732505Does Monkey Wrench have a goonercat MC?
>>153732576>These threads are thinly veiled gooner postingfify
>>153732732>Doesn't want to put in the effort to look hotter so must remove attractive things for everyone elseNah fuck em
>>153732505Will the magenta dinosaur bang the cute cat girl?
>>153732683Mayhem is so sexist to hold her like that. She is a strong and independent woman!
>>153732923Yes
>>153732996>That caress she does>Mayhem immediately eats her outCan't believe they got away with that
>2020>WHY ARE THESE CHARACTERS SO UGLY>NO ONE LOOKS LIKE THIS>THESE DESIGNS ARE PANDERING TRASH>2026>WHY ARE THESE CHARACTERS SO SEXY>NO ONE LOOKS LIKE THIS>THESE DESIGNS ARE PANDERING TRASH
>>153732505How was the marketing of Monkey Wrench?Because I knew Gameoverse was coming like two months ago and I have just discovered Monkey Wrench.
>>153732996>>153733360
>>153733687do meshitzos not realize spanish is an european language as well?
>why did the heavily marketed/publicized cartoon made by the extremely well-known and popular “indie” brand with the biggest “indie” hit in the world do extremely well while the smaller project made by basically one guy didn’tI dunno anon, why does McDonald’s make more money than the local burger shack down the street?
>>153733298its so unfairI want to fuck the magenta dinosaur
>>153733706Appeal to the Vinesauce crowd basically since Vinny and Joel are VAs in that show.
>>153733742i don't think that was the point. I encounter a lot of mexicans here and they don't spout random spanish words for the sake of it or to remind everyone they are mexicans. What they do instead is either ask or trying to remember what is that words they want to say in the midway through a sentence
>>153732683And?The whole point of combating cultural misogyny is to put those who'll challenge it in power to combat the status quo that were built and maintained by the reactionary patriarchs of society. Go run for congress, and be the change you want to be.
>>153732683We need to start pushing back on this. I've seen thousands of women with that body type just going to the beach in metropolitan area. It's a very common body type.
>>153733581It's the people doing the first thing complaining about the second thing because the first thing crashed and burned and they know if people start doing this they'll never get to do that again
>>153733854It would be more accurate to show them talking in Spanish to other Mexicans briefly
>>153732683To be honest, I think they rather support Knights of Guinevere if they wanted to help fight cultural misogyny; because Gameoverse isn't made with that in mind. Hell, they could've argue that a story about the plight of progressive and thought provoking games being deleted to make room for corporate slop serve a far better message in regards to the current state of society; rather than a show about games deleting themselves when the win condition is met.
>>153733966We tried that with Comicgate, and look how that turns out.
>>153734019Comicsgate's biggest problem was that EVS wanted to make it all about himself.T. Someone who bought a Cyberfrog Omnibus
>>153734004>I think they rather supportI'm not even bothering to quote the series because it will never matter to them.They're not going to watch the products they demand, they're to bitch about products they don't want you to watch.
>>153734019Why's there no cartoonsgate?
>>153734003Yeah, but that would mean having actual Mexican or Hispanic characters in a tv show, which is seemingly more rare than Indians at this point (20% of the US population by the way).
>>153733854It is the point when they say whites instead of Americans
>>153732683the person in the post is a troon btw
>>153734171we all know what they're implying. no matter how much shitndoos roam this country, they always claim to be a white majority country
>>153732683>troon jealous of womentale as old as time
>>153732505Monkey wrench has zero cute girls
>>153733761Kit from an alternative dimension...
>>153734415Even before Gameoverse came along, it was pretty obvious to anyone who'd seen Monkey Wrench that THAT played a factor in its diminishing returns. Honestly, you wouldn't even need cute girls so much as charming male leads with designs that are fun to endlessly make fanart of, which Shrike and Beebs don't fit.
>>153732505I think it's abundantly clear at this point that nobody gives a shit about Monkey Wrench.
>>153732505People like catgirls
>>153735876True
>>153735876Honestly not a fan, I was always more of a dog girl kind of person and only if they're super peppy and grabby
>>153732683>"misogyny is when a woman designs a female character"Can they actually talk about gameoverse's actual issues instead of complaining about shit?
>>153735935Choosing to ignore oppression because you have the privilege to do so is emblematic of toxic masculinity
>>153735935They view misogyny simply as not actively engaging in the dismantling of the patriarchal hierarchy.
>>153735886Cute
>>153735914Agreed. Dog girls are great. As are dog boys.
>>153735957Orr they can focus on actual real problems like India or such instead of yelling about cartoon women, food for thought. But whatever, this is a gameoverse thread, not a politics thread, lets not start this kind of convo now
So what does Ms. Information do?? The map guy does all the work of getting the hero to beat the villain while she yells at him and does jack, at least team rocket Jessie and James contribute equally on their schemes, here it's just one guy doing everything
>>153732505I’m too lazy to watch a 32 minute pilot tell me what happens
>>153736051>floppy earsYou're a fellow man of culture, I see.
>Gameoverse>Cute protagonist >First episode made it clear what the premise was and what's at stake>Monkey Wrench>Protagonists appeal to a certain niche and have to work harder thought the writing to make them appealing (they didn't)>First episode really has nothing to do with the rest of the show, and frankly after 6 episodes what the plot of the show even is unclear
>>153736426I have been known to enjoy a good dog or two.
>>153735876Monkey Wrench has catgirls tho
>>153733746seethe faggot
>>153735876
>>153736353>So what does Ms. Information do??Tits but villain
>>153736353Fold isn't the one gathering information. Miss Info is. She gathers info and Fold turns into a magic map cheat sheet for the hero. They hate each but are being forced to work together. That's their dynamic.
>>153736353>So what does Ms. Information do?? The map guy does all the work of getting the hero to beat the villain while she yells at him and does jack, at least team rocket Jessie and James contribute equally on their schemes, here it's just one guy doing everythingIn this episode, she make sure that Fold doen't get into any trouble and do his job. Outside of that, reconnaissance.
>>153738005>They hate each but are being forced to work together.They totally fuck off screen
>>153732505Pornography
>>153736353I want to know why she's with the villians since she seems to be a tutorial character. How'd she get there?
>>153738385Pornography... ?
>>153738385Monkey Wrench has porn ready waifus but does nothing with them.
>>153733803Vinny voices a character in gameoverse too, no?
I have to wonder if Glitch is adverse to working with Zuerel or if it's the other way around.He and Goose are close friends so I'd have to assume that if Goose pushed for it then a meeting between them would be easy to setup. But no such agreement seems to have come up. And I doubt it's anything personal with Zuerel because he has multiple big name streamers who are quick to agree to do voices for him, he can't be that difficult to work with.So either Glitch outright doesn't want Monkey Wrench.Or Zuerel is dead set against having a studio partner he has to work under.
>>153740120Yes
>>153740120Your image not related, obviously.
Speaking of which, they put out a new snippet today
>>153733581Goomba fallacy.
>>153741894What the FUCK did you CALL ME
>>153732683>Digital Circus profile picture>The word "multifandom">Lesbian>Transgender flag>non binary>enby>"Idealized body type">"Perpetuates unrealistic standards">"misogyny">apologies for saying "woke"Severe mental illness, unironically
>>153736472> frankly after 6 episodes what the plot of the show even is unclearI remember Zeurel melting down about how people who didn’t like the first two episodes didn’t understand that stories took time to tell and to set up. If you can’t get a sense of where a show is going after 6 episodes, that’s no longer a problem with viewer patience.
>>153738005the classic Scratch and Grounder dynamic
>>153732683Notice how the "unrealistic body standards" argument literally only exists in the country with an obesity epidemic?
>>153733803Vinny Vinesauce? The guy who plays in a band purely for passion and their tours never make a profit? Seems right for MW
I honestly don't really like Kit, but I'm jealous of her potential and recognition.
>>153732505I think it's literally just the character designs. Monkey Wrench's characters are gorgeously animated and illustrated, but they lack appeal.Gameoverse's characters are predominantly pastiches of characters with already strong designs that people have found appealing for decades, of course it'd fare better.
Do you feel like a hero yet?
>>153741612VERY related, actually.
>>153743902Real
>>153738629Wrarrick, Miss Information, and Fold were not the villains of their world.Fold in particular uses goofy health items of glue to repair himself. And it’s worth noting that Kit’s unique health item doesn’t apply to Gobbles. He also talks about but like Abe from Odd World, which has some really bad implications of what his world was like. Since in theory, he would be the product, just like Abe’s people were in Odd World 1.
>>153732505Gobbles must be STRONG if he can carry all dat ass
>>153735799We can sure prep for the guy throwing more salty bitch fits on Twitter or bluesky...or wherever he is.
>>153741564I think it might be Zuerels personality? From what I saw online, the guy is VERY easy to set off and get into slap fights. Combined with how whiny he tends to get whenever an episode ain't hitting big numbers (and this was even with Goose giving him multiple shotouts)
>>153741701>robo-monkey girl finally shows upAbout time>accompanied by some KVN-looking clanker faggot that’ll bloat the cast even moreFFS can Zuruel do anything right
>>153732505Catgirl with fat hips.
>>153747905How is the girl not doing that already?
>>153740120More people would watch if the show followed these two. Oh, and if the lizard wasn’t memesexual.
>>153737449well where the fuck are they in the episodes then?
>>153732610>we'll never get Monkey Wrench dubs to escape from the godawful english Shrike voice actorFeels bad man.
>>153749773shrike's va is growing on me ngl
>>153749890I had the same cope in episode 2 and 3, but he's really not getting better. The voice of the main character shouldn't be an aquired taste.
>>153732576Glitch is scrappy enough that SOME of the Gameoverse threads are probably marketing efforts, but most of these outrage bait threads are just autismos begging for attention.
>>153749982it is interesting though that arin's voice will never grow on me
>>153751425He's just been doing screamy nonsense comedy for so long that it is jarring to hear Arin in any kind of serious dialogue. I can't imagine him standing in a booth trying to act out a heartfelt moment.
>>153751707So does this impact smiling friends?
>>153751948Still a matter of taste, but Zach clearly doesn't take himself seriously and his humor evolved into a distinct brand. When Zachs characters have a serious moment, it's usually part of a punchline.
>>153732505I hate Gobbles as a character, he's completely pointless and brings nothing unique to the cast outside of being the obvious therapy character for the more autistic 30 yr olds watching it who never got over being bullied in middle school.
>>153732683woke is dead faggotgo back to your bot farm shitholewe love tits and ass hereyou're not welcomed
>>153732505One was pushed more and the other wasn't.I'll be honest as insipid and boring the premise is for Monkey Wrench it feels a million times better than Gameoverse>what if silly thing is actually so horrible omgI don't know, it's shit, I don't like it.Monkey Wrench's setting isn't terrible, it's just that the episode by episode plot is bad.Gameoverse... I mean the premise is awful, the setting is just dissonance all around and I can't stomach to watch the entire pilot.If Gameoverse succeeds it will be only because the protagonist is an attractive female, same reason why shitty mangas and anime still can succeed.
>>153752363> If life is study, each week a new lesson plan>Eat like a Learnosaurus, hungry to understand (eating his villain)He is so much more important than you will ever realize.
So when do they go into Dream Daddy's gameverse and discover the creator is a chronic grifter
>>153753511> I mean the premise is awful, the setting is just dissonance all around and I can't stomach to watch the entire pilot.>If Gameoverse succeeds it will be only because the protagonist is an attractive female, same reason why shitty mangas and anime still can succeed.Anon, the first episode establishes everything about the setting without making it a mystery box. You’re just biased because you think the premise is bad and then failed st comprehending the execution of it because you’re Arin-levels of being bad on Sonic stupid.
>>153732505>How did Gameoverse succeed where Monkey Wrench failed?Gameoverse is not an eyesore, has (some) likeable characters, has good pacing, and the story progresses.Meanwhile Monkey Wrench has a revolting artstyle, annoying and boring looking characters, atrocious pacing and we got a filler episode ON THE SECOND EPISODE.Zeurel is a moron, he should go back to being the funny Joel animations guy, but being known for only that probably annoys him to no end.
>>153736472>>153744838>If you can’t get a sense of where a show is going after 6 episodes, that’s no longer a problem with viewer patience.This is especially crazy considering each episode is 30 fucking minutes long, yet the number of things that happened in it's entire run that have any plot relevance can be summarized in like 10 minutes at most.
The funny thing is, Monkey Wrench would be a classic 10 years ago. Now, mostly everyone wants "therapyspeak" slop with pretty girls as the main lead, because life and the internet have become so bleak and shitty that it's unironically mindbroken a generation into not knowing how to cope and understand their own feelings.
>>153732683Man, all yhese faggots woth TADC should just fuck off to their own island, let them kill eachother until there's no one left
>>153754183>Monkey Wrench would be a classic 10 years agoNo it wouldn't, Monkey Wrench would suck 10 years ago the same way it sucks today.>Now, mostly everyone wants "therapyspeak" slop People are already tired of it, this fad will dissipate soon.>with pretty girls uh, yes? Is this a negative to you?
>>153753511>I'll be honest as insipid and boring the premise is for Monkey Wrench it feels a million times better than Gameoverse
>>153754111Imagine the numbers Monkey Wrench could've had if Zeurel held all those sidequests back and introduced her (and the human plot) in episode 1.. or 3 at the latest.
>>153754612They technically teased the Terran background plot did if you want to count the wanted poster. The fuck is Tezzorree’s problem?
>>153754612>introduced her (and the human plot) in episode 1.. or 3 at the latest.It had to be episode 1, it would get to the fucking point of the show like any good pilot does, instead we got filler episodes right off the bat.Hell 90% of the things that happened in the show so far is just side shit with no plot relevance.
>>153733966>We need to start pushing back on thisWell, for starters, you have to actually interact with folks on Reddit and Twitter. The vast majority of people here aren't willing to do that. Secondly, when you do interact with them, you have to do so both intellectually and respectfully, even if you don't respect them, and even if you aren't being respected in turn. If you run around screaming and shouting slurs, sexism or racism, like most people do on Twitter when they "push back", then you automatically lose. See, it isn't just about being right, it's about winning the PR war. Puritans won the PR war which is why things are like this now. Even if, deep down, folks agree with you on a point, they won't speak up for you if you talk like someone who posts on 4chan.
>>153754699Lythop Liberation did bring some things to the table like Shrike being the last of his kind and was once affiliated to LAW, as well as introducing the crate.
>>153754751>Even if, deep down, folks agree with you on a point, they won't speak up for you if you talk like someone who posts on 4chan.In other words, unless you have political backing, you will never be able to push back against the woke mob.
>>153754762Those 2 things are like 2 minutes of the entire 30 minute long episode, there are better ways to advance the story that don't involve sprinkling a whiff of plot progression in the middle of filler shit.
>>153754845Just don't talk like an asshole and use terms like "woke mob" and you'll be off to a decent start. You can't argue with an "us vs. them" mentality (whoever those two camps are to you), because it's a breeding ground for hostility. You don't want to be hostile (towards people), you want to be firm and confident in what you believe is right for art.
>>153754687>The fuck is Tezzorree’s problem?Someone in a previous MW thread speculated that there’s more to the creation of Green than we/most of the characters know of, and that the Primaries (or at least Red) are intentionally withholding this information from Tezzorree to take advantage of her zealotry to spearhead a prosecution/genocide of surviving Terrans without any questions or pushback.
>>153754959Fair enough. It took until Us and Them for the Terran plot point to be front and center with the infected Agari
>>153754762>>153754959Episode 2 could be cut entirely, with its lore redistributed to other episodes. But the episode critics sleep on is 4. What the fuck even happened in that one? Oh right, Joel cameo. I'm sure that stuff could've been rolled into episode 5 if Zeurel didn't introduce so many new characters in 4.
>>153754984Those people aren't going to listen to reason and they're apparently allowed to shout and scream to make their points. Better off just smashing them with a brick
>>153741564>>153747533This gets brought up all the time, but it bears reminding: Glitch doesn't pick up shows that are halfway through. They produce shows from scratch. Monkey Wrench already had several episodes out when Glitch started making it apparent that they were aggressively expanding their roster. Even IF they were going to work with Zeurel, it wouldn't be for Monkey Wrench. Aside from that, Monkey Wrench is not successful. Glitch doesn't just give people charity cash, they invest in shows that they think will do well because in order to keep their business afloat, they need to sell enough merch to pay for the show and ideally, make a bit of a profit.
>>153744838>>153754099I only watched the pilot and had to watch that through like 4 times to finally figure out what was happening. It was so boring and the plot kept diverging to new characters that I often found my mind wandering while watching it and I'd sort of "come to" suddenly and realize I had no idea who the characters on screen were. So then I'd have to go back and pick up from where I was last actually paying attention. I just found it to feel like a lot of work to get through. That's exactly what you want...everyone knows the hallmark of a good show is that it's something to be endured. Between the really unfocused writing and the GOD AWFUL voice for the Earthworm Jim character, I just never had the heart to pick it back up again. Does it get better?
>>153745971that is a butt, anon. Everyone has one. This one happens to be attached to an extremely unattractive character. If "having a butt" is your benchmark for a "porn ready waifu", then your sense of taste isn't exactly a high bar to clear, is it?
>>153747533>>153741564>>153756285There's this unfounded assumption that anyone who is any good at animating "should be picked up by Glitch". The truth of the matter is that there are a lot of great animators with fantastic ideas who will probably never get Glitch backing, and that's fine. Zeurel is finding his way. Others will too. Glitch seems to be in their starfucker phase now, anyway. Time will tell, but between Dana Terrace and Olan Rogers, they seem to be collecting disgruntled ex-mainstream animators who have a bit of star power. Rubber Ross is something of an exception, though he still has more widespread clout than Zeurel.
>>153748219because the more conventionally attractive girl character was something that was woefully missing from the initial episodes, and the fact that she has some monkey-ish characteristics will FINALLY shut all the aspies up who constantly complain about the show containing "monkey" in the title despite featuring no monkeys.
>>153756728And, hypothetically, what if the robot ends up being a more interesting character than her?
>>153749982>The voice of the main character shouldn't be an aquired tastewell put. Especially in the indie sphere where a 2nd episode is not guaranteed.
>>153755513it's almost like Zeurel's definition of complex story telling is to introduce as many god damned characters as possible. I think large ensemble shows can work, but handling all those characters takes a deft hand and they actually need to go somewhere. Every episode of Monkey Wrench still feels like the first because we get more introductions to more characters without really having any sort of driving force behind the show. People clap for the new monkeyish girl character, but at this point, I'm not sure that introducing EVEN MORE characters is the right move. Although it would be pretty funny if the entire show ended up being like that "too many cooks" [AS] short where they just keep introducing more and more characters and shit gets weird and then it ends.
>>153752363What do you think of original 2009 gobbles?
>>153737449is she a main character? have more than 3 speaking lines?
>>153741701The human woman
