Why isn't the work of Steve Englehart more widely celebrated?Created the West Coast Avengers, legendary Batman run, legendary Cap run, legendary Doc Strange run...Created Shang-Chi, like half the Guardians of the Galaxy, Shuma Gorath, Silver St. Cloud, the Manhunters...
>>153740719It's celebrated plenty.
>>153740719He blends in with the other old-school artists
>>153741284>artists
i've been told to skip his FFour arc
>>153740719I think he's pretty well regarded but comic writers tend to fall into two categories. The big rock star writers who change things forever then fuck off and your regular workhorse make the status quo kinds of writers.
Englehart was a really fling everything at the wall and see what sticks kinda guy. It can end up a mess. He's a pillar of the Avengers but I never loved his stuff.
>>153740719I only remember him from making Hal Jordan a pedophile.
>>153740719A lot of his stuff was out of printSometimes maybe Wizard might recommend something he wrote (I vaugely remember them recommending something from his Avengers), but they didn't recommend it to the extent that they kept recommending say, DKR or the Spider-Man vs Juggernaut story that Roger Stern and JRJR didA lot of 00s fanboys and industry people were gleefully willing to memoryhole most things made before the 2000s to prop up whatever then current-crap they were pushing, and I only knew about Englehart's comics through reading a back-and-forth between comic fans and some guy who used to be Busiek's friendIn the 2010s the only time I remembered seeing something Englehart wrote, get brought up a lot was the the Secret Empire story with the implication Nixon was the leader. Nothing about how the run actually was, just that being brought up as some kind of gotcha in a political debate by people who don't read enough comics, arguing against other people don't read enough comics.
>>153742894The 2000s had a disgusting attitude to anything older. It's like they had this idea that comics were COOL now because they were becoming more like TV.
>>153742894>Nothing about how the run actually was, just that being brought up as some kind of gotcha in a political debate by people who don't read enough comics, arguing against other people don't read enough comics.Still seething about repeatedly getting BTFO whenever you bitched about “comics being too political today”, huh?
>>153743179Sounds more like you're seething at the truth
>>153742305>comic writers tend to fall into two categories. The big rock star writers who change things forever then fuck off and your regular workhorse make the status quo kinds of writers.There are many different types, but the rock star writers range from hacks to decent writers. The status quo writers are just hacks.
>>153744610That's what a hack tells himself to cope
>>153742894It was Englehart's 1970s Batman and Captain America work that they recommended, IIRC, but no, not to the extent that they'd recommend any random issue of the month that Claremont, Byrne or Stern did in the 80s, because the Wizard staffers were total 80s Marvel guys.>>153744610A lot of the "great stories" in big 2 cape comics by those "rock star writers" are SOMEONE DIES or EVERYTHING YOU KNEW IS WRONG, or deconstructionism where the writer breaks the character then leaves. A lot of the time it's less them being "decent writers" and just them having the freedom to break the toys that everyone else didn't have. It's a tragedy that fandom venerates these guys while crapping on the writers who were actually capable of telling "the continuing adventures" entertainingly without breaking the toys.
>>153742305he did both. doctor strange is the sorcerer supreme because of his runCap became Nomad during his run
>>153744913To be fair, he was the rare "change things then stick around to see how the change plays out" writer, which is a much better thing to be than the guy who changes everything then moves on. His 70s Avengers is similar until he got kicked off the book, and his 80s FF runs into a brick wall of how much he was allowed to change the book.
Batman The Animated Series did a lot to promote him. The Laughing Fish, The Strange Secret of Bruce Wayne, Rupert Thorne, all from his run.