(1/13)
Before we begin, I want to offer you a small challenge:When you finish, write down your thoughts on the comic, the character and if the story made you feel empathy, disgust, pity, or something more complicated and whyIf your ideas are rooted to a pseudo-political chronically online culture war you failedI sincerely don't have any hopes to actually get a fruitful intellectual conversation from people capable of engaging with a story as something more than ammunition for political grift in 4chan with this 2026 overpopulation of irony-poisoned manchildren desperate to be seen as some sort of 4chan veteran /Pol/tard racist gigabased protectors of le west civilization so do whatever you want lmfao
Oh boy, I've seen this one.Wonder how /co/ will react.
It's been over 2 minutes, start the storytime.
>>1537424092
>>1537425273
Is this another one of those trans autographical comics? If so I don't really have the highest hopes
>>1537425384
>>1537425495
>>1537425606
>>153742464You sound like a faggot. If you're so much better than everyone on 4chan maybe find a community capable of being as mature and enlightened as you are.
>>1537425787
>>1537425878
>>153742584They sound based actually
>>1537425989
>>153742606>t.OP
>>15374260710
>>15374264211
>>15374265012
>>153742642>>153742650Well that’s a dark turn
>>15374265913END
>>153742464Angry little faggot lmao
>>153742659>>153742684Well that’s certainly a cliffhanger ending. Leaves us with ambiguity as to her fate.
Terrible optics.
>>153742684Source: https://x.com/reyookah/status/2056127337666662576?s=20
>>153742538>>153742578>'07>/pol/I know people already pointed this out to the artist but this is five seconds on google level research and they couldn't be assed to even do that much. It's more /b/ behavior on top of everything else.
Alright, read it.Every single one of these trans autobiographies sound exactly the same. "I don't fit in with other members of the same sex so obviously I must be trapped in the wrong body" when the actual answer is that they are autistic, gay, or both. And even then they still hold hobbies that match with their actual sex. Many MTFs are into programming and tech and automobiles, typically very masculine hobbies. FTMs like knitting, romance novels, and so on and so forth. And yet they still think they must be the opposite gender, actually, because being the opposite sex would be so much easier.The fact of the matter is, men will never fully understand what it's like to be a woman, and vice versa for women. Our cultural attitudes, upbringing, and biology differ. Just because you wear your mother's underwear doesn't mean you are a woman. Just because you don't like wearing feminine clothing doesn't mean you are a man. Life sucks regardless of whether you have a penis or a vagina, and transitioning will not solve your problems.I feel bad for people experiencing gender dysphoria, but this is not the way. Especially with so much of it in the modern era being influenced by fetishes and porn, so many awkward autists who are sexually repressed get too addicted to porn/yuri/yaoi/hentai that they think they're a "transbian" or "gay trans boi." Enabling their delusions just makes it worse.I used to be a "trans ally" until I saw how much it was hurting many vulnerable groups - children, women, LGBs - as well as the negative effects given by the drugs and surgeries. I cannot in good faith support it any longer, and I feel like an outcast in many groups because I know too much.There's a lot more I could say but I know deep down I am talking to a brick wall and those too sucked into the gender cult will never get out until the complications from HRT kill them or they commit suicide from regret. I hope you get out while you still can, OP.
>>153742781>I feel bad for people experiencing gender dysphoria, but this is not the way. Especially with so much of it in the modern era being influenced by fetishes and porn, so many awkward autists who are sexually repressed get too addicted to porn/yuri/yaoi/hentai that they think they're a "transbian" or "gay trans boi." Enabling their delusions just makes it worse.>I used to be a "trans ally" until I saw how much it was hurting many vulnerable groups - children, women, LGBs - as well as the negative effects given by the drugs and surgeries. I cannot in good faith support it any longer, and I feel like an outcast in many groups because I know too much.I see this parroted a lot online yet I never see any solid evidence to support it.
>>153742815Nta but you're retarded lmao
>>153742815There's no solid evidence to support that people can be "trapped in the wrong body", either.
>>153742650>if she cannot be a woman, she can at least be abused like onenever understood this maybe it's because my relatives are in healthcare, but although women get all of the attention, fags at times get drugged and raped off hookups
I wasn't on 4chan regularly until 2008 but I'm almost sure that /pol/ was either not a thing or was not a big thing back then. Begging for attention was probably more of an /r9k/ thing and I don't think there would have been as much [genuine] misogyny and transphobia on 4chan in general back in 2007 given that faggots hadn't started actively invading spaces and demanding everything be changed to suit them. There were lots of old memes about Bridget and 'playing pretend' and other gay shit with traps so I think that this comic is not particularly accurate to the time it is trying to harken back to. This leads me to suspect that the author is not aware/knowledgeable about the time period which begs the question 'why write about an era you don't know very much about and were not part of?'Art feels amateurish. That's not really an insult but it definitely isn't a selling point or positive to the comic. I'm probably a retard so I didn't get what the spaghetti strands in the background are supposed to be.The writing is full of itself and trying to be evocative but reads poorly. "gangly knobbed body sweats underneath the salve of femininity" is a retarded line made even more retarded by the contrast with the other lines around it. The author should stick to more direct non-purple prose.
Ripley's cute.
>>153742820Wrong>>153742830There’s solid evidence and medical consensus that transitioning is a treatment for gender dysphoria.
>>153742839>why write about an era you don't know very much about and were not part of?Zoomers yearn for the 2000s because smartphones and social media weren't everywhere and they have no idea what that feels like. When they see millennials and older gens reminisce about those times they feel like they missed out so they create their own version of it in art and stories. But anyone who was around back then can tell something is off.
I know nothing like this has ever actually happened, but something close to it probably has.I was actually watching a video about how reality kinda gets repackaged and replaced by "hyperreality" in these kinds of stories, specifically made into something different that can still evoke a kind of similar emotion.Others have already pointed out that /pol/ didn't exist in 07, but for the purposes of this story, it doesn't really matter, it's just meant to represent something, not be 100% accurate to real life.It did make me feel pretty bad for the character tho, it really sucks to be trans, makes me a bit happy that my own problems aren't related to my gender.
>>153742781>so many awkward autists who are sexually repressed get too addicted to porn/yuri/yaoi/hentai that they think they're a "transbian" or "gay trans boi."Do you think this concept could also apply to the recent huge right wing awakening Lolicon culture full of young adults who believe preaching and screaming to be pedophiles is based and funny
>>153742839>This leads me to suspect that the author is not aware/knowledgeable about the time period which begs the question 'why write about an era you don't know very much about and were not part of?'The author is 18, so they definitely weren't around 2007.The answer is, why not? This is pretty much historical fiction for them, those scary 2000s where you had to be super closeted and shit like this could maybe happen.
>>153742942As in lolicon makes people have a pedophile awakening or something? Not sure I follow
>>153742939kind of interesting convo happening here
>I spend all day on the internet, surrounded by social contagions and disorienting amounts of fetish porn>I had a whim, a stray thought, a curiosity, an inkling, an urge to be something else>That must be the authentic me calling out>I am sad and angry and lost>I have no reason to assume this feeling is reality creeping in through my despair and not just my despair talking>But I have nothing else going on, so I'll follow it until it becomes central to my hollowed-out identity>I'll construct my lifestyle and all my coping mechanisms around the relief this delusion gives like a watering hole and can't imagine living without it>Oh, there goes the authentic me, calling out from the inside of a wood chipper again>I'd be betraying myself not to climb in after it>I better open up to all the other maladjusted kids online so they know how to find their authentic selves, tooEvery tranny story ever. It would be sadder to me it it weren't for their insistence on being as visible as possible and spreading the contamination. I wish the best for you, but you probably don't want the best. May you find peace somewhere you won't hurt others.
>If I was a millennial tranny I would've attentioned whored on /pol/kek, how do you even come up with this stuff
>>153742939>it doesn't really matter, it's just meant to represent something, not be 100% accurate to real life.I disagree. It very obviously matters because lots of stories (books, movies, TV shows, vidya, etc...) have people check for historical accuracy. There are loads of history autists that get mad at even small problems and it very obviously matters to them even if you don't give a shit about it.I care because by presenting a story as a 'real' story without acknowledging that it is a fantasy from someone who obviously wasn't a part of online culture in 2007, other readers who also weren't part of online culture in 2007 will believe that this is accurate and, if the comic reaches a wide enough audience, people in general will begin believing in this false history.You know that Gerald Ford tripped exactly once as president? But because of the popularity of Chevy Chase playing Ford on SNL a huge percentage of the public at the time (and for the next decade or two) believed he was a clumsy guy? And that was SNL which never even pretended to present itself as realistic or accurate. Historical revisionism in popular culture is powerful and an ever increasing portion of the population lacks the critical cynicism to question whether or not the media is lying to them about what the past was really like.
>>153743005I also wasn't around here during the 2000s, but that all sounds about right.
>>153742464You want my thoughts? It's fucking boring. It's the same self-indulgent "it's hard to be trans" slop we've seen over and over and fucking over, and it's goddamn boring. There is zero substance to the comic, zero reason for anyone to fucking care.
>>153743033Some people think how their life would've been in the middle ages, others do this.
>>153742839>>153743005>>153743039There was no /r9k/ in 2007.
>>153742684Damn, the elites have the male youth on lockdown with all this porn addiction.
>>153742549He's an autogynephile. All of these memoirs, especially those from men, always have a passage dedicate to how the male feels most like a woman after playing with Barbies or wearing their female relative's panties. A tomboy and bulldyke are both women in spite of sneering at dresses and pantyhose. You can be a man who wears dresses and heels. If you ascribe dresses = woman, you're adhering to gender norms, proving your enemies right.
>>153743038It does matter if it's presented as real, but this story isn't.The video I watched went into it more, but basically when it came to sob stories like this that were presented as real, they usually weren't checked for actual historical accuracy right away because "believe victims" or something. A lot of people got away with straight up lying about shit like being in the holocaust for years before they were found out.
>>153742549Dialup computerGod damn children. They're so fucking smug about being 'the generation that is so good with technology' and then they say retarded shit like this.>>153743005>/r9k/ was groom centralThis is revisionism. /r9k/ absolutely was not what "Effie" is describing. You wouldn't see a 16 year old with dial up on /g/ either. Dialup in 2007 in general is pretty abnormal but if the family was lower-middle class and/or living in the boonies I guess it could be possible, but then the kid likely wouldn't have the money or knowledge of technology necessary to get enjoyment out of /g/.Just going off the comic, Ripley definitely would have visited /v/ (self explanatory), probably would have visited /b/ (gore) and /r9k/ (attentionwhoring). I feel that along with the gore he may have also used /x/ since back in 2007 it was still a pretty cool board and not a bunch of lonely faggots trying to manifest tulpas or reposting stale creepypasta like it has been for the last decade.
>>153743038>Historical revisionism in popular culture is powerful and an ever increasing portion of the population lacks the critical cynicism to question whether or not the media is lying to them about what the past was really like.Trans activism is absolutely dripping in this shit. So many trans/LGBTQIAPP4K+ organizations push the lie that the Stonewall riots were started by a trans woman of color when the guy in question was just a drug-addicted drag queen who did not identify as a woman who didn't show up until hours after the riots had started. One guy who was there to experience it and is still alive has to fight uphill to tell the truth while the elites rewriting history he himself lived through tell him he's a bigot and a liar. Bleak as fuck.
>>153743033The kicker for me was the idea that Twitter was a household name in 2007. It's beside the point, but the whole thing is fabricated.
>>153742992We can have the conversation that has been made 1 million times about LoliconBut yes, jerking off to Loli porn is pedophile behavior, it is just not culturaly printed in the modernity as such because it doesn't have any impact in real children, but the consequences are equal to any person who goes into the degeneracy slippery slop of porn addiction, but in this case the 2D porn is inciting the victim to feel lured for fictional children, and consequently slowly start translating those syntomps to real children, even if no real action is taken, the damage is already done, you feel attracted by children, you have turned into a pedophile, things that would never happen if Lolicons didn't spammed their hentai and "culture" across mainstream internet spaces (Involuntary EPI and grooming-recluitment), which is one of the reasons normies feel so annoyed towadays for their mere existence
>>153743038>Historical revisionism in popular culture is powerfulAlso, that's kinda what I meant by hyperreality, a reality that is more appealing by the actual reality because it was changed to be a certain way.Also why recreations of certain landmarks are made to look better than the actual landmarks, they're made to give an idealized feeling of the actual landmark.
For the record, this isn't an autobiography, it's a fictional story.The writer is actually a FtM 18 year old, was never a closeted trans guy in the 2000s.
>>153742409>>153742464We really just need to get rid of these people. Either they harm themselves and inevitably others or we harm them first. Everyone understood this before the internet.
>>153743088>this story isn't [presenting itself as real]According to what? Point out to me anything in any of the pages posted in this thread that suggests that this is anything other than historical fiction (which is fiction that is historically accurate based on the time period it is set). The author is not literally saying 'this is a 100% true and accurate story' but they are implicitly saying that this is an accurate account of what things were like 'back then'.>>153743061My mistake. As I said, I started using 4chan semi-regularly in 2008 (around the time TDK released if my earliest saved images are anything to go by) and /r9k/ was around then so I assumed it had been around for a while.>>153742967The historical fiction authors I have read are passionate about the setting and either do a bunch of research or are autistic enough to know things well enough to not make mistakes; or else they fully lean into the romanticization of the setting and write historical fantasy rather than historical fiction and freely admit that their works are complete nonsense historically (ie., 3 Musketeers).This author obviously didn't do research for this work and also obviously doesn't have an autistic fascination with internet culture and the mid 2000s because people with autistic fascinations learn about the subjects of their fascination.
>>153743114Yeah, porn addiction leads to people's views on others and themselves being warped, this applies to lolicon, hentai, and normie porn. If someone is spamming lolicon 24/7 I don't think it's too out of the question that they have a desire to fuck real kids, not helped by a lot of these spaces housing and defending admitted pedophiles. And this is coming from someone who is desensitized to loli art.
>>153743185>it's too out of the question that they have a desire to fuck real kidsI've seen a deleted raisins thread where they discuss "hypotheticals" of just that, hit the nail on the head.
>>153743185I want to argue but honestly momcest porn kinda warped my perspective on IRL incest so you're probably right.
Zoomer anemoia and era mangling is so utterly morbid in comparison to the haha 80s neon wow :-DDD of yesteryear. Oh yeah and this thing getting raped in Roblox or whatever is a tragedy too I suppose waste of early artistic talent
>>153742642>>153742650>>153742659This makes me think of that roblox/discord blackmail group that got investigated recently. They'd lure in kids, get them to send something, anything, just enough to threaten them to do crazier stuff or else they'd show the parents- which of course lead to more and more material to blackmail them with and to circulate. Its gotten so bad that even just getting an incomplete picture to feed into an image generator is enough to get these kids on the downward spiral hook.I sympathize with the struggle with self confidence and shame this character deals with from their gender issues, but frankly that's not the real story here. The real story is that this cycle of online grooming and abuse has been going on for so long its genuinely become an entrenched institution of the internet. Its something nobody wants to acknowledge, nobody would wish it on anyone, but it just happens quietly every day. Wayward kids don't just get pimped out by scumbags, they get psycho fucked up by a whole operation of scumbags, and now we have people who've been there, done that, and have the scars to show for it.Its enough to make anyone mad and sick at the absolute state of the world, man.
>>153743198Fucking nasty. Admittedly I have mixed views on loli/shota art itself since no child is being hurt and I don't think someone fantasizing about a stylized version of something always means they hold that desire IRL (for example, rape fantasies are very common but nobody sane wants to be raped in real life) but it's a thing that can indeed happen and has happened many times. And nobody sane wants to be around someone they suspect could be a pedophile.>>153743222Sorry about that, anon. It's always important to remember that porn should never be conflated with real life.
>>153743185When Anime became mainstream and normie, Lolicon stopped being this super niche group of weirdos, and with no one batting an eye against them the exports of Loli porn began to hit mainstream spaces, making Lolicon mainstream too. And after Lolicon became a normie porn category easily accessible for everyone, the group of super niche weirdos began to dig down in search of that same feeling of niche extreme perversion, and oh boy they found it: MAP captions
>>153743095I have a lot of things to say on that subject but what bothers me the most is the insistence from fags and troons that every meaningful author in history was actually super progressive and was secretly writing about fags niggers and troons and would totally be a good ally and also my best friend. Pointing to shit like Heathcliff being described as 'dark' to try and suggest that he was actually an African or Indian or whatever other minority they want despite the term being historically used to describe dark haired men with a swarthy complexion and the fact Bronte spent basically her entire life being homeschooled in a small white town in the 1820s England and probably had never even seen a nigger.You see similar shit with people insisting that close male friends were actually gay (Holmes and Watson being the most frustrating given that Watson is regularly seen to be chasing skirts AND is married at least twice). I genuinely cannot stand people being unable to acknowledge that the values they hold would likely not have been held by people from over a century ago and needing to twist reality itself to justify why actually everyone they ever liked was a model of 21st century values.
>>153743245That the creator had a public Twitter account at 15, and now at 18 has thousands of followers and millions of views can't be healthy.
>>153743286That annoys me too but have you considered that the people who insist on that actually do know there's a discrepancy but are just talking out wish fulfillment to other people who are also engaging in wish fulfillment?Genuinely, do you think you're having an autistic moment?
>>153742942Ive never seen any group of rightwingers loudly claim to be pedophiles. I haven’t seen any awakening like that. At least explicitly. I don’t think that pro rape twitter retards on the right is cause of Loli. It’s more trump and the Epstein crew making it more socially acceptable. But in regards to said twitter retards, they’ll make fun of people for being raped (or being abused) and act like they’re anti pedophile. This is especially true in regards to twitter tranny haters. They’ll calls trannies groomers, then celebrate it when a underage tranny kills themself showing they don’t care about the people they claim are grooming victims.The other thing is that lol icon is closer related to pedophilia than yuri/yaoi is to be transgender. Yaoi is related to homosexuality not transexuality.If you wanted to compare a sort of hentai to transgender, it would be gender bender hentai, dick girl hentai, or “femboy” hentai.
>>153743185I think this CAN be the case but is not guaranteed to be the case.There are a lot of fetishes that are appealing in 2D that are genuinely disgusting in 3D. Even sticking to 'tame' things like rape or incest, looking at how many people engage with those sorts of fantasies (be they 2D or 3D porn videos) versus the actual rate of those incidences happening and clearly the vast majority of people who engage in fetish material do not actually try to seek out that fetish in real life. This is even more apparent when you get to actual degeneracy like vore, puke, or scat.I don't see the appeal of loli as a sexual thing but I find Yotsuba and some other manga about young kids cute and endearing. I work as a high school teacher and did some work in the elementary board before that and I can tell you that actual children are disgusting retarded assholes and I absolutely do not think of them at all the way I do of 2D children from manga that I read.
>>153742527Gonna be honest, his design has a ton of aura
>>153743352>If you wanted to compare a sort of hentai to transgender, it would be gender bender hentai, dick girl hentai, or “femboy” hentai.I've seen people claim that femboy/futa hentai "cracked their eggs" too
>>153743198It’s still wild to me that raisins is something South Park came up with. I thought it originated in hentai .
>>153743274>>153743274This new genre of "caption" pornography is all the proof you need that consuming lolicon will lead you to follow real illegal harmful behavior, there's no such thing as ethical consumerism of loli porn, it will always lead you to extremes because that's what porn does, desensitize you and force you to dig for more extreme content, and the worst part is there is no stop, the inmense rise of Lolicon culture parasited by right wing culture war and grift has gaslight young adults o believe the act of jerking off to Loli hentai is some sort of fight against the censorship of freedom of speech and a cultural victory against the "Woke Mob"
>>153742409Hey Hey people
>>153743377Ironically the right wing mainstream would probably love to lynch those Loli guys and wants to censor them.It’s wild to me how they think the mainstream right is anti censorship.
>>153743377>it will always lead you to extremes because that's what porn does, desensitize you and force you to dig for more extreme contentYou lost me here. It's possible to just enjoy looking at softcore or vanilla porn without wanting to jack it to more extreme stuff. That's like saying drinking alcohol from time to time will make you an alcoholic.
Tried to go in with an open mind but it almost immediately lost me. Similar issues as other anons; I thought the art style was charming in its own way, and was looking forward to a nostalgiafag '07 internet time capsule. But it's clear that the author is only using these elements as window dressing. They thought of a caricature of an evil chud and tried to reimagine it in a way that would be sympathetic to lefties-- a poor closeted tranny getting groomed by the internet hate machine. But it's clear that they weren't there and don't know what they're talking about, so their surface-level culture references only highlight how shallow the story is. I get that there's only so much you can do in 13 pages, but that only reinforces how important it is to get it right. Overall it feels like a very shallow grab for sympathy; it's dressing up its message in a shallow approximation of the internet wild west. Which is funny, given that the subject is a transvestite.If they wanted to be more accurate, it would have been better for them to focus on the mid-10s discord groomers than the mid-aughts 4chan shitposters. But given that groomercord is mostly trannies, it probably wouldn't serve as well for the author's propaganda piece.
>>153743377captionslop isn't newalso it originates deviantart transformation fetishists not lolicons
>>153743352>>153743369The caveat I should’ve added is that jerking off to that stuff doesn’t automatically mean you are trans. It might just mean you are a chaser instead.
>>153743352>Ive never seen any group of rightwingers loudly claim to be pedophilesIt is not explicit but yes, modern lolicon culture is very tighted to right wing culture, mostly in right wing anime spaces of course, because young adults believe people fuming and complaining about lolicon is some sort of "Owning" against liberals, lgbts, feminists, wokes, etcA clear example I can think of all I said is the suddenly birth of vtubers who play the role of underage girls that actively sexualize themselves with the sole purpose of attracting a right wing audience
Despite draping itself in the trappings of something different, it is yet another bog standard trans awakening self-report of self-loathing. It is a copy of a copy of a copy, and the author is so thoroughly smudged black that they confused the darkness for possessing edge. Apply some whiteout to the site names, mad lib in "tumblr" or "pinterest" or "livejournal", and you have something we've all seen a thousand times before. I can't bring myself to feel anything for ripley. If ripley said a word about themself at any point, you could treat the unreliable elements of the description as characterization as a neurotic, but they don't. It's all narration, and there's no reason to assume the narrator is intended as anything but omniscient. In that lens, it's all shit. Ripley's understanding of femininity is hollow and mean-spirited, but the narration's gradual shift in pronouns through a questioning space towards the inevitable "she" is intended to suggest change in self-image. It is a change from one non-person to a myopic impression of another. ripley has no will when larping as a man, just as ripley has no will when erping as a woman. The change is an illusion just as much as ripley is an illusion of a character, and no pity is invoked by the blackmail of a puppet.2 out of 10 - the drawing of the Sniper was ok
>>153743410I’m skeptical that those discord pink pill groomers are real. It’s always seemed like an urban myth to me
>>153743345>actually do know there's a discrepancy but are just talking out wish fulfillment to other people who are also engaging in wish fulfillment?Given that this nonsense is infesting academia and being presented as fact, if the authors of these pieces are aware that there is a discrepancy they are absolutely trying to present it as historical fact to naive or unaware readers.I don't have a problem with fujos on fanfiction.net writing yaoi stories. I understand that while there definitely are delusional people who truly believe the shit the write is canon, a lot of them just engage in what they believe to be sexy 'what-ifs'. That's not what I'm talking about when I say it pisses me off when people argue that the remarkable people of the past (be they authors, philosophers, artists, nobility, celebrities, etc...) were all actually super progressive.There is a point where it becomes clear that there is an insidious aspect to the claims. Assuming that the person making the claims does not genuinely believe them, it is either an attempt to dishonestly strengthen rhetoric ("You know Einstein would have agreed with me when I argue that being trans is totally normal") or else it is an attempt to deceive an uninformed person to believe what is being said.>do you think you're having an autistic momentIf you meant autistic in the sense that I'm not able to tell when people are 'joking' (in the sense that they don't actually believe what they are saying is true and are just acting out wish fulfillment) then no, I don't think I'm having an autistic moment. If you meant autistic in the sense that I'm making a huge deal over this and obbsessing over it, I care very much about logical consistency and shit like integrity when it comes to discussions or arguments. I don't think it's necessarily autistic to be passionate about your interests. With that said, I do concede that my interest might be autistic in nature.
>>153743419>A clear example I can think of all I said is the suddenly birth of vtubers who play the role of underage girls that actively sexualize themselves with the sole purpose of attracting a right wing audienceYou don't know what you're talking about. Genuinely.
>>153743419I’ve seen that but idk how wide spread it is outside the terminallly online anime fan right.I think those vtubers aren’t specifically aiming for a right wing audience. It’s more lolicons in general or pedobaiting.
>>153743445From what I understand, pink pill groomers are less of a trans/discord inherent thing and more of a byproduct of how roblox groomers operate. Discord's UI is easy enough that kids can understand it, it has shit moderation, and gives groomers 24/7 access when they aren't necessarily in-game. Groomers just push cross-dressing as part of it because fetishes happen in clusters.
>>153743377>>153743419You sound completely delusional and I'm tempted to say you are projecting your own degeneracy on the population as a whole.Pornography does not 'force you to dig for more extreme content'. I've been fapping to the same shit for over a decade. You find stuff that turns you on and you jerk your cock to it. It's not more complex than that.I don't know where the fuck you're coming from when you say that there is an 'immense rise of lolicon culture' given that loli has been a huge part of weeb culture since before you were born.Look at all the porn of Lucky Star and Moeshit in general that was on 4chan literally a decade before the concept of the alt-right and 'woke' culture. The idea that there has been some kind of increase in the amount of lolicon shit being made in recent years is ridiculous, there has always been oceans of the stuff.
>>153742409>>153742464>>153742731Alright, I took your bait and read your comic, and here's what I've come away with:1) Kid fucked around and found out. He was lucky strangers didn't try to kill him.2) Ripley is an autogynephile, he enjoys pretending to be a women for sexual as well as emotional gratification.3) As Bernard Shaw noted there's no merit in being mistreated, so this attempt at pathos is batheticOverall, half the story was poorly researched and too far-fetched to be believable, as with all the greentexts everyone has sees from time to time. I have no sympathy for the little loser, even if he's an imaginary construct, and this comic only further reinforced and verified my opinion that transexuals are the next step for libertine teenagers on the road of degeneracy to total depravity (in both the religious and secular senses).>TL,DR: OP IS A TRANNY FAGGOT
>>153743492i've seen plenty of evidence of kids being blackmailed into self harm by roblox groomers, yet none of the pink pilling.
>>153743345Lying about the past and trying to get others to go along with it is bad. It may not always be malicious, but when it gains steam it becomes historical revisionism, and often coopted to serve political goals. You can engage in wishful thinking or pretend or roleplay or do alt history or whatever, but it's important to always make it clear that's what you're doing. And that's not what's happening a lot of the time.
>>153743492I suspect that some of what people call pink pilling groomers is just someone's sissyification or humiliation fetish out of context
>>153742684What a dumb stupid fucking cunt.
>>153742464Tell me what the difference is between gays, trans, and normies. What is this feeling that you're uncomfortable with what you are? Cause it doesn't make any sense. Like I prefer to wear clothes that match me, not because I have an aesthetic preference for my gender's clothes or the other one's. Gays make a bit more sense since I can see chemicals messing up and forcing someone to like the same gender. But how do those chemicals prolong someone's faggotry to where it means they will implode at some point because I said the "h" noise instead of "sh"? Or that they have to wear skirts and dresses all the time even when it's repulsive to look at in public?>>153742587Ok so it's a fetish and you're forcing everyone to see the end results of this shit. >>153742598Ok I guess you're amplifying this character to have exaggerated bad traits like sneaking into the women's bathroom which is basically the one of the things that trannies for some reason magically are willing to concede on and ask for all-gender bathrooms. Seems odd.Also if yeah if this actually happened, then fuck you.>>153742642Kek. Mental illness.
>>153743286heathcliff is called a "dark-skinned gipsy",though in regards do being african:>"In 1769, the year in which Mr Earnshaw found Heathcliff in the Liverpool streets, the city was England’s largest slave-trading port, conducting seventy to eighty-five percent of the English slave trade".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heathcliff_(Wuthering_Heights)
>>153743567>But how do those chemicals prolong someone's faggotry to where it means they will implode at some point because I said the "h" noise instead of "sh"?Believe it or not, most MTF trannies these days are straight men who thought that just because lesbians make their dick hard that they too must actually be lesbians.
>>153742409This looks like the title card for an Ed Edd & Eddy episode.
>>153743608Kinda looks more like the title card for a Pizza Tower level.
>>153743627hehe
>>153743603That's autogynephilia. Phrases like girl dick and transbian should tip you off.
>>153743578Have you met gypsys? They aren't black or indian. European ones at around that time would be closest to slavs but I could probably at least consider the possibility that they were meds.Like I said 'dark-skinned' at the time and given Bronte's upbringing would almost certainly mean swarthy or olive-skinned. It's intended as a visual contrast to the fair skinned, blond, blue bloods who can afford to not have to toil out in the sun and is an extremely common literary convention of the times. When people wanted a character to be a nog they made it clear enough that there was no ambiguity. There is no good-faith argument to be made that Heathcliff was anything other than European 'white' (or as white as you consider gypsies to be).
What is the moral of this story?
>>153743684Teenagers should not have internet access.
>>153743684not all storires have a moral
>>153743656I feel so bad for lesbians who don't want to deal with these freaks. They've infested lesbian dating apps and invade all of their spaces to the point where any lesbian gathering is made up of at least 50% ugly men in makeup.
read the comic all i got from it is "this kid getting groomed online."
>>153743684>Linguistic and genetic evidence suggests that the Romani originated in the Indian subcontinent; in particular, the region of present-day Rajasthan.
>>153743684never goon
>>153743656>>153743603Yeah that's fucking gay if true. Seriously? Any anons who think this shit, what the fuck is wrong with you nigga? You watched lesbian porn and felt bad about it or attached yourself in some way? Get real. Also these terms are shit I'm not even gonna bother learning except Autogyno or whatever since that's just some college bullshit that means the same as dysphoria which is just handy to say instead of mental illness. Like yeah I feel bad if you got those thoughts and doctors nowadays don't know jack about this shit since it was a sudden idea that all institutions started peddling but yeah, just quit the porn.
>>153743745hit close to home?
>>153743745Autogynephilia (AGP) and dysphoria are not the same but they can overlap. The former is a fetish in which a man is aroused by the idea of being a woman, dysphoria is when you feel like you are "trapped in the wrong body." The FTM equivalent to AGP is Autoandrophilia (AAP) which is not as common as AGP but still exists.
>>153743733Wow and all humans originated from Africa so I guess we're secretly all niggers?You have not met or interacted with gypsies in Europe. Go to one of their fucking caravan parks, get your wallet stolen by them, then come back and tell me how they look.
I don't like the all lowercase letters and shitty purple prose throughout the comic, it feels to Tumblr-esque for lack of a better term.
>>153743578Yeah, this is how you do it. You find any way it could be possible. You insist to people the technical possibility until you make it seem like it's much more common and plausible than it is, based on nothing but more and more people gradually accepting and parroting it. All of a sudden people have a misconception that something was actually widespread enough that they can feel like it could be at all likely that it's actually the truth.You can do this to justify having a character be an identity that almost certainly wasn't intended by the author or really historically probable, or have a much more diverse cast than is likely for a given social group in a given place or time period, or that an author would actually have shared your modern day views, or whatever.You can just say you want to make them more of them black just because you don't want the whole cast to be white yet again. You can say you like the idea they may have been gay or trans based on their life, instead of insisting they absolutely must have identified that way. You can just like authors or their works that were woke for their time but who did or believed things you disagree with. It's fine, you don't have to gaslight society that things were always exactly the way they are now. The fact that transgender people have always existed in some form doesn't mean they existed in a manner conducive to your modern sensibilities - even the "transexuals" of just a few decades ago show this. I know there's a culture war on, but manipulating facts and history is wrong regardless of if you're on the "right" side or not.
>>153742409Damn thought there would be cool memes or fanart by now
>>153743833not seeing a counter argument. just a contradiction
>>153743730lesbians are one of the groups most likely to be pro-trans and your statistics are bullshit.
>>153744061It's not an actual statistic nor did I claim it was, autist.Also there being lesbians (and "lesbians") that are pro-trans doesn't erase the fact that there are lesbians who want nothing to do with them.
>>153744061Well... they aren't entirely wrong
Trans people are unusually cruel in my experience, and disproportionally represented in engaging with fantasies of various paraphilias. This is mostly due to the large overlap of people who possess dysphoric feelings and sensory-issues; it is very hard for this group to generalize from societally-deemed “neurotypical” sensory experiences even if MTFs are traditionally higher-than-average IQ. Combining right-tale pure aptitude with having a deficit of theory-of-mind for people without shared specific neuroses makes a very ugly combination. Blunted empathy, more extreme capacities of depravity, and reactionary cruelty (from perceived acts of trauma, even implied) are all very common.
>>153744129Sounds like some extreme autism
>>153744097reddit is not real life or a dating app
>>153744061Most lesbians just put up with it out of sheer fear. Female socialisation does that to someone. They would never actually date a tranny, one study with like a tiny amount of participants from a collage has it around 18% a proper study would be smaller if it included more age groups. Turns out getting threatened to be kicked out of your groups works so many just put up with it. They put up with them and don't mind them existing but would never want them close.
>>153742409I saw the tweet where this garbage came from and the replies to it might have the most amount of troonsoaring I’ve seen yet to any tweet
>>153744129I have a mega gooner friend. He is in so many porn servers and it's full of troons. None of them have been good friends to him and sperg out at the lightest push back. Just people in there porn filled echo chamber. No wonder they are able to groom so many young men, it's like a straight dopamine hit to your skull. Just consuming porn and being validated by people with anime profile pics.
>>153744052Counter-argument to what? Your contradictory statements that he was a both an Indian Romani and could have been brought in from Africa on a slave ship? If you mean him being black, go look at the extensive amount of 18th and 19th century English paintings of "gypsies" and what color virtually all of them are, and then realize that even if that's due to some cultural bias, Bronte was part of that culture and subject to those biases.I don't even think you honestly believe that if we could go back in time and ask Bronte that she'd say it was her intent. Why be such a smug shit and insist nonsense to people, in a way that does an actual disservice to both history and the progressive cause? To own the chuds or something?
>>153742409>>153742464Okay I read it, so let's see>If your ideas are rooted to a pseudo-political chronically online culture war you failedDisingenuous. This comic is already one. Conceptually it feels like a /pol/fag (or one of those offsite idiots from altchans and forums that despise 4channers) wrote it so he can justify a strawman about trans people. You don't believe me?>they're freaks, probably mentally ill. Here the protagonist is a terminally online underage who is addicted to vidya and likes gore. >They have self esteem problems. This one agreed to do self mutilation.>They're fetishist, all the gender shit is fetishist shit. Could even be illegal. Oh just like how he liked to take pictures of his body. While he was underage, okay. >they're groomed. And guess what happened here? They’re weren't aware, but he was totally into that crapI mean, in the end I don't understand what it's trying to teach us. That the "homophobic edgelords" can also be gay? 4chan and many other places of the internet were always gay, because they were also hedonistic. So, they did whatever the fuck they wanted to do. And everyone enjoys sex and porn. Considering this, literal cocksuckers will call you faggot and nigger. And there's no hypocrisy there. Hell maybe afterwards they'll go to /pol/ (2007 lmao) and talk about how much they hates lefties, while attaching Astolfo_37.png. Go to /v/ and see how one gay furfag will post about how much he hates trannies. Oh better yet, visit /lgbt/ and laugh at the friendly fire. Trannies insulting other trannies, the failed ones. A mtf replying with a kys to a ftm. Homos tired of how annoying trannies are. What's so funny is that the lgbt themes here start being superfluous if you consider that you could completely remove them and still have almost the same ending. If his family found out about all his online activity they would still be worried. At best this comic is about a shitty kid who coincidentally likes gay shit. (1/2)
>>153744229That’s only a small part of it too. Gender clinics used to mostly deal with MTF middle aged men, then in the 2010s it flipped with most clients now being young teen girls wanting to transition. It’s a strange social contagion.
>>153742409>>153742464>>153744258 You know what? Fuck it, let's get pseudo-political. This comic is about a mentally ill kid who joined the lgbt because of obvious reasons. The strawman was real. They're bad, always weird. Real cult classic trans movies aren't wholesome. Whenever they try to make something that's transcore and positive or simply not weird it's a forced meme. RIP FNV. It's a cult full of losers and autists. The misfits, the perverts. Hanselmann's Meg Mogg and Owl is a moral disaster, but also a honest representation even if it's comical. Good comics btw. A really depressing example is Raven Lyn Clemens. His work has the genuine, unfiltered trans stink. Oh man, he's so proud about that. Then you see the author's life and connect him with his comics. Writing about molestation, hate, abuse, traumas. But also disgusting fantasies and fetishes. He hates himself, so much that he really cares about what we think about him. Another silly thing: saying that /lgbt/ is one of the worse boards because many posters should be arrested is like, schizo bigot babble, right? Hahaha noooo. It's very documented, and they're scum. In fact this dude was probably groomed by them. He's 18 and definitely posts herehttps://xcancel.com/reyookah/status/2048799573104054697Oh and also on TF2, absolutely. But hey at least the art is good, good job!>/Pol/tard>not /pol/10/10 bait. Otherwise, GTFO :3
>>153742642>"viscera">those red and blue shapes at the bottomWhat, her literal guts coming out?
Eh. Makes me realize just how normal my upbringing was. I always more or less knew who I was, what I am was never at odds with what I was perceived as and more or less what people expected me to be. If I were trans or gay or anything other than straight with a sex drive that's so low that I might as well be asexual, maybe I would have gotten myself into trouble but no, nothing of the sort.I have some friends who are LGBTQ in some way or another and yeah, I don't think any of them had it easy. Some more or less than others. I dunno, I always hung out with troubled people, I never got along with regular people very well.
>>153744211What is troonsoaring?
>>153744272>He's 18 and definitely posts hereI'm convinced the OP and the artist are the same person
this comic is just him roleplaying a revisionist past in his head. there wasn’t any trannies back in the late 2000’s in these communities at all. fuck sake these people are literally trying to change the past to make ppl think trannies existed at a large industrial scale but they were just all hecking obbressed ;( and got shoved in e-lockers or whatever stupid victim fantasy they got in their heads.
>>153744264That one's more young girls being terrified of puberty and not wanting to actually become women and perform as "a woman must" so they become men. A lot of the girls doing this are childhood sexual abuse survivors so hate the idea of them being female due to trauma. It's running away from being a woman as that's fucking terrifying. Then there's the fujos who like the coom brained MtF they consumed so much porn they can't get off without the idea of it being two men and the only way to achieve that is to become a man. They usually end up just dating another fujo and are pretty much lesbians. I don't know if there is these yaoi discords the same as the troon grooming pit. I don't talk to teenage girls.
>>153743684Repressing healthy expressions of irregular sexuality and gender leads to unhealthy expressions thereof.
>>153744344Some of the defensive replies give off the vibes of the artist or someone connected to her. The earlier ones about loli being right wing and fighting back allegations of grooming on discord were too synced to not be suspicious.
>>153743286>with a swarthy complexionDon't forget people in the time period Earnshaw found Heathcliff said shit like>the Spaniards, Italians, French, Russians and Swedes, are generally of what we call a swarthy Complexion; as are the Germans also, the Saxons only excepted, who with the English, make the principal Body of White People on the Face of the Earth.So being "non-white" or "dark-skinned" to them didn't at all mean what we'd call black or brown. Geez, can you imagine what they'd make of even a Slavic man?
>>153744354I'm in an NSFW server focused mostly on M/M stuff for a specific series and it's like 60% FTMs. I don't even bother talking in there, I just grab the porn and go
>>153744375was the porn good?
>>153744417Yes, thankfully
>>153744417Anon wouldn't go there if the porn was bad. Of course the porn was good. Pooners ether make amazing porn or the ugliest shit you've ever layed your perfect eyes on. Has class with two ftms and one was a amazing artist truly talented and the best in the class the other had no idea what basic anatomy was.
>>153742464Eh sure I will give it the good old college try. Also >something more than ammunition for political grift in 4chan It's interesting watching the word Grift meaning go from "A fraudulent scheme, swindle, or petty scam." To "Any political idea I disagree with" I mean, I would understand if we were on YouTube because doing anything for views can translate to money, but how the hell is someone supposed to make money on 4chan when this place is notorious for people avoiding spending any single dollar on anything? Anyways, that's a bit too much. Let me just get to reading this comic and giving my opinion. >>153742684Well I'm the target audience. I will say it is a bit interesting, and even though it gets some things wrong, like the existence of a poll in 2007, it does touch upon a real thing that happened on 4chan, any one remember/r9k/'s Reiko's "Trap Harem?https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/reikos-trap-harem
>>153744504I am not the Target audience*Fuck
>>153742464I do not pity the protagonist. The protagonist liked watching women be beheaded and couldn't take it when he put himself on the internet as a woman. He went into the women's bathrooms, went into women's spaces and larped as a mother he's a fucking pervert. If you wanted me to pitty him you failed. This comic pissed me off.It's more of woe is me comics written by a little girl who has no experience with the real world let alone this time period.
it is sad that pooners are the way they are. women online used to just draw two guys having sex or having them kill each other while having sex without being a gender goblin
>>153742684>>153742464wtf was the point of that and why is the mc just straight up plain retarded..?
>>153742409why does he wear a helmet
>>153742464Oh, this is a stupid masquerade of victimhood. All it shows is that youths shouldn't be given unfettered access to the internet because looking at pictures of headless people and spending hours digesting the discourse of societal outliers screaming into the void has disasterous effects on the development of the average adolescent.In addition to that we're circling back to the: "Oh, poor me." Nonsense crossdressers use to gain pity and coerced acceptance. No, it's not like this at all. They're exaggerating for sympathy points and it's a classic emotional manipulation tactic. I'm a detranser by the way before you start trying to their a fit about muh conservatives.
You know very well what you were doing OP by dragging this comic you saw in your “for you” page on twitter to here that mocks this stuff relentlessly.I like the main characters design and art at least, that’s all I will say. I won’t be surprised if obsessed retards (you) repost this constantly in the future for lousy rage-farming threads.
>>153742781The "I don't fit in with my sex" thing is always B.S. They always have male friends unless they're specifically shunning people to play on their computer all day and just aren't interested in sports/hunting/cars. What they mean is: "I don't have a girlfriend, but really want one and think girls would like me if they gave me a chance." then, they start fantasizing about if only they had a twin sister or childhood friend then they would know how to talk to girls and have access to her friends and spend all day talking to girls. In fact, they would like that so much they wouldn't even have guy friends in this AU, they would just talk to dozens of girls like an anime harem MC. The more they ponder the more it escalates into a romanticized ecchi where they get invited to sleepovers, parties, and group bathing sessions because: "it's O.K. if its you." and imagine they would be a Casanova taking all the girls virginities because of their closeness. Eventually they get so into it they feel they were "robbed" by not being a harem MC and start to think: "if only I had just been a girl, it would've all been so easy. I could be a lesbian and get with all the girls because I'd already know a bunch of them and would've talked them into doing all kinds of pervy things." then through the Internet they discover "trans people" and after contemplating it say: "No, that's not me, I like my dick. Maybe if I had started when I was younger." then they find sissy/trap porn and spend a few years masturbating until they get desensitized enough to try dressing up to chase the thrill the original images gave them. Eventually, they want to keep the clothes on for longer and longer until they convince themselves they must "be trans" because why else would they have had all those fantasies and be wearing girls clothes if they weren't a girl in the wrong body? It's not like they were a shut in who just ran away with a dumb harem fantasy instead of going outside and meeting people.
>>153742838It's just a way to make girls think they're one of them because they have victim points so they're not a scary man.
>>153742839It would've been /b/, I don't think sharpie in the pooper was even a thing then. It's pretty B.S. either way thinking they could just innocuously shoop out their scrotum and no one would notice.
>>153742464Jajajaja, dis homo is gay AND likes boys
A reminder to everyone reading this thread that God made you special and he loves you veeeery much.Don't ruin the body he gave you.
im ugly so he already ruined it sadly
>>153744701God told me to cut my son's cock off.
>>153743039None of that is right. They would be on live journal or some weird geocity or something if they were chasing trans hogwash, otherwise they would be on /b/, encyclopedia dramatica, maybe albinoblacksheep and this would've never happened. The first thing they would ask is to see their tits to know they're really a girl and also its 2007 so the girl would show their face with a second thought with it never occurring to her that anyone would see this photo or that it could somehow get linked back to her. The grooming thing didn't start until Discord and Resetera became things. Also, no one would've sent him a message like at the end, they would've sent 500 pepperoni pizzas to his house and had a bunch of people call his parents house and ask about the thongs Ripley had for sale, he said something about having a stash in his closet until he went online to post about how everyone "ruined his life!" and "my Dad is taking away the router and said I have to start mowing the lawn!" or whatever.
>>153743086Who made this asinine comic? Literally no straight man or woman has ever said this, especially ones in a relationship
moral of the story: mkultra and unlimited porn has changed society quite a bit and that's sad. try to make the most of it as humanity grows in schizophrenia
>>153743173> but they are implicitly saying that this is an accurate account of what things were like 'back then'.That's also not true.
>>153743345No, and at this point you're either incredibly naive or disingenuous to suggest such a thing.
>>153743086>you're adhering to gender norms, proving your enemies right.Being trans isn't about adhering or not to gender norms, it's a weird idea where gender identity is supposedly biological (so not a social construct), or maybe spiritual, and you can have some sort of birth defect that makes it not match your actual gender. To go in more detail, all people have this mystical inborn gender identity that can't change in addition to their biological gender and some have a genetic disorder that makes them not match and so even though they are male they biologically want to wear dresses and heels and act feminine and cut off their dick... or something. It can't be "cured" because it's apparently part of your dna or maybe soul or the fundamental structure of your brain, so between changing this immaterial spiritual gender identity and surgically altering the body the latter is the only possible treatmentI know, it doesn't make sense, and most people who promote trans identity don't really believe in this or realize how it's supposed to work, but it's the ""scientific"" model that the "correct" treatment of trans issues is based on, and that modern gender ideology descends from
>>153743352There isn't but they've spammed Trump & Epstein lol so many times that they've convinced themselves they can just baselessly claim anyone they feel is vaguely right of them is a pedophile with impunity.
>>153744052That was a counter argument, he just didn't give you anything to sea lion so now you're fishing for more.
>>153744720Jesus said not to.
>>153744808>Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.Eh, he's fine with it
>>153744820> Luke 5:36-39> Acts 7:51> Acts 10:9-15> Acts 15:24> Romans 2:25-29> Romans 3:30> Romans 4:9-16Among others
>>153742942>recent huge right wing awakening Lolicon cultureYou are utterly delusional. Loli has been extremely popular among anime fans since before you were born, and the only thing that has changed recently is that a bunch of pearl-clutching twelve year olds on the internet have begun behaving like old conservative pearl-clutching ladies and started screaming their heads off about everything sexual. Ironic, since they should be staying out of it in the first place.
>>153743492Most trans-focused servers or even just servers run by trannies are inherently like that, even if it's not intentional, it's just something they do by pure instinctJust scrolling through the quotes on the OP comic, I found this guy telling a 16-year-old to get on DIY HRT>https://x.com/boymode4ever/status/2056529651124593046
>>153743155Some Korean fujo making this is the oddest thing.
>>153743155Yup. Troons want to rewrite history so bad that they're now targeting the 2000s and saying that they were there too.
>>153742684FUCK YEAH that was awesomeBest storytime this weekLook at all this replies
>>153745639???? Have you actually watched any 2000s media ever? A lot of jokes were "tranny has a dick you're gay lol". It's like one of the first episodes of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. It's just it wasn't a protected class.
>troon is mentally illInteresting
>>153745702Even by mentally ill standards, I can't follow the logic of the comic. Truly fascinating.
>>153745675Some people have the weirdest ideas about what happens to trannies, they bombarded them with so much bullshit even a comic like this that goes into the gruesome detail of 4chan posters grooming 16 year old tran kids doesn't register with them
Shit "comic."I gave it a shot. But it was bad.>>153742781I've never read any before this and wouldn't think they're common enough for anyone to get genre fatigue. You must be seeking these stories out. Which begs the question: why?
>>153742464genuine trans person herekid was an idiot but what kid isn't? Honestly if anything I agree the most with the anon who said the moral of the story is teens shouldn't have internet access.I don't have anything else of value to add other than I hope the author doesn't fetishize the 2000s or their own transness as much as the character in the comic does
>>153745714“the internet is…le mean…think of the poor mtf gore fetishists next time you post”-world’s empatheticest 18yo
>>153742464when i read this my mind kept spinning with ideas of how to cure people like thisnot in some, "i must purge the filth" sort of way but like, "anhedonia, taste for violence, perversion, abuse at home, oxidative stress...maybe it's as simple as optimizing his hormones and changing his diet"
>>153746614Is even simpler but they won't get it, remember they voted against healthcare for trans kids
>>153744901That’s not grooming. The word has a meaning.If someone wants to call it a cult, then Some random commenter suggesting you become catholic or find Christ wouldn’t be grooming.
>>153744191>Most lesbians just put up with it out of sheer fear. Female socialisation does that to someone. They would never actually date a tranny, one study with like a tiny amount of participants from a collage has it around 18% a proper study would be smaller if it included more age groups. Turns out getting threatened to be kicked out of your groups works so many just put up with it. They put up with them and don't mind them existing but would never want them close.Respecting or being friends with someone someone doesn't mean you have to date them. those are entirely different thingI'm not seeing evidence for your standpoint though that it's fear induced.https://justlikeus.org/news/2023/03/31/trans-day-of-visibility-ally-lesbian/>Of all LGBT+ identities, other than trans and non-binary people themselves, lesbian young adults were most likely to say they know a trans person (92%), and most likely to say they are “supportive” or “very supportive” of trans people (96%).
>>153742781>Life sucks regardless of whether you have a penis or a vagina, and transitioning will not solve your problems.simple truth behind high tranny an hero rate.
>>153744249>Counter-argument to what? Your contradictory statements that he was a both an Indian Romani and could have been brought in from Africa on a slave ship? I wasn't making a contradictory statement. I was pointing out details behind why some people thought he was black. also Mixed race people exist. >>153744797>That was a counter argument, he just didn't give you anything to sea lion so now you're fishing for more.No its not. He just insists I am wrong, without explaining why.
>>153746720>Am grooming this kid to take hormones and look like I wantSomehow is not grooming...
>>153746772How is a single tweet grooming? Explain where coercion, blackmail, gift giving, or enticement of favors (or other aspects of grooming) enter into that single tweet.
>>153746762There was no insistence than you were wrong, just a statement that you are trying to inflate technical possibilities into actual likelyhoods.Just like you now putting forth the even lower probability that he was a specific Indian Romani and African mix, as if anon was dumb or bigoted for not jumping to that contrived conclusion. Are you honestly trying to claim that your post was orginally intending to posit this mixed heritage, and you're not just going for any argument that serves your purposes? Why be so deceitful, what is your goal?
>>153742815>I see this parroted a lot online yet I never see any solid evidence to support it.
>>153746853>There was no insistence than you were wrong, just a statement that you are trying to inflate technical possibilities into actual likelyhoods.Saying that a person made a contradictory statement is typically implying that person is wrong.
>>153746866>sample size: 1
>>153746806Grooming is the practice of preparing or normalizing. You don’t need fucking gift giving and blackmail (lol?) for something to be grooming.>Get on DIY asap!!!!!!! I can send you all the info, do not let testosterone masculinize you
>>153746806I have changed teh world with one post, am sure you can influence a person if you time it right and use the right platform
>>153742560>>153742578>going into women's groups with fake problems to feel validNo problem with transexuals but this shit is really weird. If you don't own the penis in your panties and do this shit, you might have bigger issues than hating your gender.
>>153746904>Grooming is the practice of preparing or normalizingSo, everything would be grooming then.
>>153746887>I need evidence>actually, sweaty, that’s just one person :)kys
>>153745725NTA, but you see these people giving fake accounts of their lives all over the place because the actual truth of it is always unflattering and usually just boils down to "I watched porn while depressed and now I'm a girl."I thought the comic was actually somewhat well done, despite the author's obvious insanity. As long as you don't take it for face value, it's a good look at how incapable this person is at understanding how what they're saying is going to be received. Total detachment from reality.
>>153746928The only fake thing here is pretending perverts who would groom kids don't use the internet
>>1537469231 person doing something is typically not solid evidence of it being a trend. That isn't goalpost moving, it's basic scientific thought.
>>153746750Being friends with them doesn't mean they'll be willing to date them either, as is your vice versa.You can be friends as you say but when one gets asked out they have to give a reason that isn't "I don't want to date a tranny". And that's a decent possibility because trans women go to lesbain place to find willing women, women who might not want to date one. But they can't say it like that so they're kinda trapped.
>>153742684>abuse victim crossdresses and larps as another identity to escape abuse>has ideas of himself as weak and believes that crossdressing is him owning that weakness>convinced himself that these feelings of weakness mean he is transgenderSad story but it doesn't read the way you want it to.
>>153746954How do you respond if you were asked out by a woman you weren't interested in?
>>153742464What argument are you expecting from the /co/ boardLike seriously>Hey guys here's a comic about how you pathetic racist chuds are actually trans UWU i know you guys are all schizo retards but please provide a deep thoughtful insight onto this comic designed to make people hate youWho the fuck sent you HERE of all places
>>153746935Did anyone say that?
>>153746879The pointing out of your contradictory claims was done AFTER the post that just calls out your conflation of technical possibility with actual likelyhood, because you insisted there needed to be some sort of "counterargument".>not seeing a counter argument. just a contradictionBut you're aware of that, aren't you?Just like you're aware of the fact you sidestepped it being pointed out that you almost certainly did not intend to imply a specific racial mix in your post, but are now claiming so to paint anon as unaware or unaccepting of mixed race people existing.
>>153742409>"I am not mentally ill!">Goes to extreme lengths to show the opposite Every time
>>153746991>>Hey guys here's a comic about how you pathetic racist chuds are actually trans UWU i know you guys are all schizo retards but please provide a deep thoughtful insight onto this comic designed to make people hate youuhh i dont think you understood the comic.
>>153742464>If your ideas are rooted to a pseudo-political chronically online culture war you failedCalling it now: this is a bad faith prerequisite to preemptively dismiss criticisms based on some arbitrary criteria, ironically poisoning the well, and asking the reader prioritize a fictional narrative over their own experiences with reality.>>153742527>The tranny likes looking at gorelmao>>153742560>The tranny pretends to be middle-agedLMAOMost trannies are AGP faggots that want to be teenage anime girls.>>153742578>HE goes on TFT and /pol/ in 2007and pretends to be a woman>HE isn't met with "tits or gtfo" or "there are no girls on the internet"Zoomzoom fag author>>153742642This rarely ever happened.I remember one time I was on /b/, back in the actual "mods are asleep" days and seeing some geography student post online and let slip that she was a girl. You know how many people asked her to cut herself? None. You know what they asked? Her to write her favorite rocks on her feet and take pictures.At this point the comic is 100% just a pity porn fantasy.>Final three pagesDrawing is hard, guys. Pls understand.Wow, that was gay (pozzed) and the author seems like an unpleasant person to be around.Also looks like my prediction was somewhat correct.Faggot.
>>153743833>have a much more diverse cast than is likely for a given social group in a given place or time period, or that an author would actually have shared your modern day views, or whatever.It doesn't speak to author intent, but you literally were shown evidence that the area had black people at the time in the case of heathcliff.
>>153742815Every single "transgirl" you see with an anime profile picture is proof.
>>153747072That's not strong reasoning. It makes a lot of assumptions without evidence.For one anime != hentai.
>>153745619not when you consider how much they hate menthis comic is pretty great from that viewpoint
>>153743155With or without crutches
>>153747107Everyone here can see that you're sea-lioning. You're acting like this is everyone's first exposure to a troon, but that's not true. We're several years past the spawn of the fad to the point where we know it's Epstein-funded and the trans communities are obsessed with the idea of coopting cuteness.
>>153742464OP I looked at your twitter and you are 18. You have your whole life ahead of you while a lot of us are early 30s to early 50s. Some people here are old enough to be your grandparents, even.The internet was not like that, the references to TF2 and Half Life and the Bush Admin don't make it any less weird.I posted about being a girl online back in the 2000s and got tits or gtfo. Those who asked "cut/burn/hurt yourself" to vulnerable people always waited for some kind of blackmail too.Myspace profiles were not as personal as the average teen in 2015 was on instagram. Using your full legal name wasn't big online at all (unless you were a Facebook user) and if you did expose your name like that, you'd feel the effects way before someone on 4chan found you through your nudes. This was the age of Chris Chan, of course.I think the tone of this post is annoying too, because you're acting like your half-my-age self is smarter and more mature than me and anyone else who posts here. But you weren't even alive in the time period you wrote about, or at least not sentient.
>>153747158>Everyone here can see that you're sea-lioning. That's not what sea-lioning is. Pointing out flaws in your reasoning is not sea-lioning. Saying someone's standpoint is flawed is not sea-lioning. >You're acting like this is everyone's first exposure to a troon, but that's not true. We're several years past the spawn of the fad to the point where we know it's Epstein-funded and the trans communities are obsessed with the idea of coopting cuteness.Epstein didn't invent transexuals, and he funded a lot of tranny haters.
>>153742409To all those here who were born before 1999, what was your childhood like ?I really need to know because I can't get behind how anyone under the age of 20 could call this normal.
>>153747200>Redditspacinglmao>Pointing out flaws in your reasoning is not sea-lioning. Of course not. Let's go to Google for the definition:>Sealioning is a trolling tactic where someone harasses others with endless, bad-faith requests for evidence or "clarification". Disguised as a polite desire for reasonable debate, the goal is to exhaust the target's patience, derail the conversation, and provoke an angry responseOh wow look it's what you're doing.You don't care about what examples anyone can bring. Any examples someone can bring you will handwave and say isn't enough, but you'll never define what clearly is enough for you, because your point here isn't to debate, it's to gaslight.It's obvious, and at this point tired from you freaks.>Epstein didn't invent transexuals, Of course not. The modern tranny research was John Money, who forced a pair of twin boys to fuck each other. One of his subjects later killed himself and the other lived with trauma. Despite being a conventional failure by any reasonable standard the "medical community" (read: pharmaceutical cosmetics) taking his research at face value.>and he funded a lot of tranny haters.Okay. Did he fund them directly for hating troons? No. Did he directly fund tranny movements? Well, shit.
Welcome to the internetHave a look around
>>153746660The best healthcare for kids, is not letting them become trans.
>>153742464I liked it. I just wish it were longer, seems like it just cut out at the end. More time for scenes/panels to breathe would be nice.
>>153747107Does >>153747072 say "hentai?"
>>153746942Check out rapid onset gender dysphoria among women.https://www.parentsofrogdkids.com/
>>153747311Not letting them access the internet.Gen z or alpha will never get to experience what millennials did during their childhood. It wasn't perfect by any means but at least millennials got to experience what real childhood was like
>>153747297>>Sealioning is a trolling tactic where someone harasses others with endless, bad-faith requests for evidence or "clarification". Disguised as a polite desire for reasonable debate, the goal is to exhaust the target's patience, derail the conversation, and provoke an angry responseThere were 2 replies in the thread before you made your accusation of sea-lioning and neither of them requested another person to provide evidence.
>>153747065>It doesn't speak to author intentThank you, it sure doesn't. But people will often claim that things like this.Having slaves come through the ports does not mean it's likely that the person who is so racially ambigious that they wonder if he could be romani or spanish or american or indian-chinese or south asian or whatever is specifically black. There's enough description and speculation in the text that if he was significantly dark or "black" instead of ambigously brown or even just "swarthy" (>>153744366) it would be clear. Most importanly, Bronte wrote Heathcliff experiencing social friction for being an "outsider" in a way that makes sense for a non-white person in the time period.The issue is when fiction set in specific eras make a sizeable portion of the cast an ethnic minority yet part of a social echelon they would have been mainly excluded from, or at least constantly othered within, and the show writers and culture warriors insist it is historically accurate and anyone who says otherwise is a bigot. Please continue to stop casting only white people for every period piece, and even have people within the narrative act like it's normal so we don't have them just constantly experiencing racism, just don't gaslight people about it!
>>153747334No. But this post did and it's the one I replied to before it:>>153742781
>>153747352>and neither of them requested another person to provide evidence.>>>153742815So now you're outright bullshitting?
>>153747024They were trying to imply it
>>153747406That's not a request. It's a statement. I know that you can't actually provide evidence.
>>153747362Okay. I'm not that post you just linked.Does >>153747072 mention "hentai?"
>>153747426Well how does having an anime profile picture prove it was influenced by a fetish or porn?
>>153747423>I know that you can't actually provide evidence.>>153747297>You don't care about what examples anyone can bring. Any examples someone can bring you will handwave and say isn't enough, but you'll never define what clearly is enough for you, because your point here isn't to debate, it's to gaslight.GG tranny retard.Kill yourself.
>>153747426Well a hentai is just an anime picture
>>153747343This is Cherrypicking. And it's relying on second hand information from a parent.
>>153747459Normal people aren't obsessed with the idea of trying to appear "cute." Tranime faggots are obsessed with it because they're chronically addicted to fetishizing the ideal female form and "cuteness" and "femininity" as an alien prize.
>>153747461 I'm entirely willing to debate. As shown when I pointed out the flaws in your statements. Cherrypicked examples are not evidence. That isn't handwaving; It's a critical flaw in your reasoning if your sample size is 1 person or if its selectively chosen.You are the one who resorted to ad hominem.
>>153747493>Normal people aren't obsessed with the idea of trying to appear "cute."Have you seen women? Or looksmaxers?
>>153747042I understand the comic is DOGSHIT lmao
>>153742464>Understanding basic biology is chud pseudoscienceThis is why the trans movement is dying faster than the trannies that promote it.
>>153747459There is a big correlation between transgenderism and fetishistic behavior of all kinds tho.The SGM (Sexual and Gender Minority) Overlap: A literature review tracking the intersection of LGBTQ+ and kink sexualities highlighted that non-cisgender and non-heterosexual individuals report significantly higher rates of involvement in alternative sexual practices (Sprott, 2023).Sprott, R. A. (2023). The Intersection of LGBTQ+ and Kink Sexualities: a Review of the Literature with a Focus on Empowering/Positive Aspects of Kink Involvement for LGBTQ+ Individuals. Current Sexual Health Reports, 15, 63–71.
>>153747538>>Understanding basic biology is chud pseudoscience>This is why the trans movement is dying faster than the trannies that promote it.what relation does that have to their post?
>>153747513I guess the concept of normal here is whatever my influencers do
>>153747545correlation is not causation
>>153747472>This is Cherrypicking.How? Why?>And it's relying on second hand information from a parent.What? What's wrong with that? How would that invalidate the point? How a "valid" source would look to you then? What you want? I demand a clear answer to avoid your goalposting moving.
>>153747564No but when both things are related to sex its a pretty good indicator that they are related.
>>153747042>muh media literacy
>>153747564But its an indicatir that its a safe assunptiom
>>153747500>I'm entirely willing to debateYour post in >>153747423 was your mask off moment that you won't even acknowledge anything against you. Stip being disingenuous for one post, please.Just one.This shouldn't be a tall order for you freaks, but it seems like asking you for a moment of honesty is consistently an effort in pulling teeth.>Cherrypicked examples are not evidenceI divert back to my previous quote.You never say what evidence will be enough, and any evidence anyone brings you've dismiss without looking as "cherrypicking."You think it's an invincible strategy, and it is, when you're talking about protecting your own delusional ego, but that's not how debate works and it's not how the court of public opinions works.Let me out it in more lax terms because you're a retard: do you think anyone's looking at your constant "nuh uh that doesn't count" and thinking "this guy has a point!"?Do you think the people who have been around looking at your conmunities are going to be swayed either? Because a lot of us do know better. The trans community is ugly and hateful.
>>153747513Looksmaxxers are not normal lol they are as ill as trannies
>>153747513Women don't use anime avatars.
>>153747472Its literally a study that follow scietific principles:https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0202330If you think that's nit scietific, then your issue is with the scientific method.
>>153747631Their main issue is that they always wanna fuck minors
>>153747564>Chop arm off>Start bleeding out>>What do you mean I shouldn't have cut my arm off? You can't prove anything! Correlation does not equal causation!>Dies
>>153747644Just like troons.
>>153747513Women's idea of cute is age-appropriate dresses. Trans idea of cute is fetishistic, with a strange focus on girl's clothes.
>>153747647Ok, now provide an argument that the effect is as immediate as chopping an arm off.Do people magically troon out the second they see yaoi hentai?
>>153742409that looks like a nortubel character
>>153747661>Trans idea of cute is fetishistic, with a strange focus on girl's clothes.It's because troons' idea of cuteness is based on male sensibiliies and male desires.
>>153747672How woudl that evidence look to you? What would be acceptable evidence by your standarts?
>>153747672No but they can develop autogynephilia and be groomed by a pedophile on Discord into thinking they're an "egg" when they're just lonely autistic and porn-addicted
>>153747655I thought we were talking about troons, but yeah influencers too, they feel entitled and just go and do it, it kills the kids, like they literally die as a direct consequence of them fucking infleuncers, it being buried, porn surfacing etc we just figured out between shitposting during the something is killing the kids threads
>>153747568>How? Why?For one, It doesn't show how common the supposed trend is in relation to the broader population.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking>What? What's wrong with that? How would that invalidate the point?It doesn't necessarily invalidate it, but It makes the point weaker if you are relying on the parents who are against their children's transition. It's not an uninterested 3rd party who noticed a pattern. There's a reason doctors and shrinks aren't supposed to treat their family members.>How a "valid" source would look to you then? What you want? I demand a clear answer to avoid your goalposting moving.No goalposts are being moved here. It can't be cherrypicked. Needs to have controls (if possible for the study) or some type of way to make a comparison to the general population. Should preferably be in a reputable journal, if possible.
>>153747691>How woudl that evidence look to you? What would be acceptable evidence by your standarts?Well, if it's as immediate an effect as chopping an arm of show me a video of someone magically becoming transgender the moment they see yaoi hentai.
>>153747729>It doesn't necessarily invalidate itSubtle admission you have no answer and are trying to throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks.
>>153747740So you heard it here first.The troon will not accept that his community is filled with perverts unless you give him direct evidence that watching hentai will immediately make someone a troon.You must source this claim that nobody made that's a misrepresentation of what's been said....Wait a minute, that's a fallacy on his part!
>>153747744The fact that it's cherry picked is a bigger issue, but info from a biased and untrained second hand source isn't always reliable or might not be complete.
>>153747744You lost the plot
>>153742527Very first panel gives it all away though: this was a mentally ill, emotionally unstable child to begin with. Browsing gore videos out of boredom, while at the same time, apparently having a PC so shitty that trying to download half-life (a game from 98) on dial-up (in 2007) that somehow overheats from too much downloading... But he's freely browsing all the gore media he wants without fear of being seen?This is obviously trying to be autobiographical, but all I'm really seeing is some mentally ill shithead, from a family of mentally ill shitheads, pretending like his fucked up, incoherent self-reporting is somehow profound or interesting.
>>153747771Meant for >>153747729 my bad
>>153747764>The troon will not accept that his community is filled with perverts unless you give him direct evidence that watching hentai will immediately make someone a troon.>You must source this claim that nobody made that's a misrepresentation of what's been said.How is it a misrepresentation? You argued that the connection is as quick and obvious as chopping an arm off:>>153747647
>>153747771>>153747785How did I "Lose the plot"?
>>153747767You keep throwing around buzzwords without relating them to the argument or even substantiating their relevance. Bad dog.
>>153747807They aren't buzzwords, and i explained why they are relevant.If you disagree, which one did I fail to explain?
>>153747790I didn't argue shit, I was making fun of your sloganeering.
>>153747819>Bias>Secondhand>Not a buzzwordYou are twice as retarded as you think everyone else to be.
>>153747639That study was flawed. The journal issued a correction:https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157
>>153747785Anon has a point there parents aren't meant to control the development of their kids, they want to we are unable to stop it thanks to culture and economy, but parents don't know shit about what a kid has to go throught, granted am just an old school let gays be gays guy and don't even approve of hormone therapy but just as that, just as someone who is ok with men loving men because is their right to do so
>>153747729>For one, It doesn't show how common the supposed trend is in relation to the broader population.It actually show, if you read the article."The expected prevalence of transgender identification among young adults is cited as ~0.7% (referencing prior data).082d4""In the reported friendship groups, more than a third (36.8%) had a majority of members (50%+) becoming transgender-identified in a similar timeframe.This is described as a localized increase to more than 70 times the expected prevalence rate in those groups">if you are relying on the parents who are against their children's transition. If anything, this would make the transitioning harder and less likely. But how that would effect the "spreading" effect, which is what is being studied? >It can't be cherrypicked. Needs to have controls (if possible for the study) or some type of way to make a comparison to the general population. Should preferably be in a reputable journal, if possibleThe Littman 2018 paper (published in peer-reviewed PLOS ONE, a reputable journal) explicitly compares the observed rates to the general population baseline.
>>153747839Biased is not a buzzword, you fucking retard.
>>153747790You're big "acceptance" criteria is autistically taking literal a post made dozens after you started arguing that's just clearly taking the piss out of you?You're full of shit.
>>153744537It's weird how much the artist downplays that behavior as if it were just some innocuous weird thing some teenager would obviously do. Like, yeah, teenagers are constantly thinking>I should go online and pretend to be a pregnant lady every night so I get strangers to talk about my bodyThe mental illness was already extreme and the artist thought he was being clever by selectively excluding all the obvious obsessive fixation and deranged thoughts he'd been having for far longer than this comic tries to imply.
>>153747847>Anon has a pointYou mean yourself
>>153747844>The Materials and methods section was updated to include new information and more detailed descriptions about recruitment sites and to remove two figures due to copyright restrictions. Other than the addition of a few missing values in Table 13, the Results section is unchangedWow copyright issues. That totally disproves it.
>>153747844Nothing on it contradicts the main point of the article tho.
>>153747839These aren't buzzwords. They're fairly simple terms as well.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/biasSecondhand means not directly from the person in question. It's the parents describing what they think they're child is feeling, rather than the child describing what they're feeling. The former is second hand, and the latter is first hand.
>>153747858Yes it is. Dismissing a source for "muh bias" is worthless because inherently everything has a bias, so scientific consensus relies on objective methodology.A source publishing that the world is round isn't inherently invalid just because it's biased against Flat Earth you tard.
>>153747883It was heavily implied
>the most active thread on this board is off-topic whining about troonsI hate you faggots.
>>153747907>>153747909Stop samefagging too.
>>153747921no, i'm only one of htose posters
>>153747859see>>153747729>It can't be cherrypicked. Needs to have controls (if possible for the study) or some type of way to make a comparison to the general population. Should preferably be in a reputable journal, if possible.
>>153747932But you're >>153747907 and >>153747858.
>>153747932specifically, This is someone else>>153747909This is my post: >>153747907
>>153747909Bias is relevant. If you are selecting your sample from parents that is part of anti-transgender group who wishes their kids weren't trans, that makes your sample biased.
Interacting with any mtf or ftm for more than 15 minutes or knowing someone who goes that route will clue-in anyone with even the most basic intellects to how insanely unwell those people are. You are never winning this battle
>>153747945>>GreentextNo it doesn't because you're reversing causology.>A majority of alcoholics are addicts>>Uhm, source?>Someone posts an AA survey>>Yeah well that doesn't count that's just cherry picking because you need a complete study of the general population of alcohol consumers to prove that alcohol consumption directly leads to alcohol addiction and you can't prove this therefore you can't prove that us alcoholics are addicts!"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." That's just a basic failure of logic on your part.And you didn't address that anon's followup with quoting the study so you didn't even read it.
>>153747857>>153747886>>153747900https://psychcentral.com/lib/there-is-no-evidence-that-rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-exists
>>153747970That's called "sampling bias," which is an issue with the methodology. One you're welcome to prove happened instead of talking out of your ass.
>>153747975Very true, anon. The very idea of believing you’re in the wrong body is a mental illness.
>>153747991>PsychcenterAh. A newsletter. That’s not a valid source.Find something that has controls (if possible for the study) or some type of way to make a comparison to the general population. Should preferably be in a reputable journal, if possible
>>153747984>>A majority of alcoholics are addicts>>>Uhm, source?>>Someone posts an AA survey>>>Yeah well that doesn't count that's just cherry picking because you need a complete study of the general population of alcohol consumers to prove that alcohol consumption directly leads to alcohol addiction and you can't prove this therefore you can't prove that us alcoholics are addicts! Your example would be an extremely biased one. It just makes your point worse.If you are trying to prove the majority of people who drink alcohol are addicts, that would be a biased sample, because AA is a treatment group used by people who are alcohol addicts. The people who respond to their surverys are far more likely to be addicts.
>>153747907It's a valid and accepted pratice when studying children. You cna deny, but it remains indicative thatbwe are right and you are wrong.It becomes MORE imdicative with the earlier evidence I posted of transgender individuals being overepresented in fetish communities.And I have an extra: they are also overerepresented among sex criminals.When put all together, you can say "correlation doesn't mean causation", but it does mean that its the most likely and sane conclusion.In May 2025 the US Federal Bureau of Prisons released their statistics for ALL transgender inmates, showing MtF comprised 51.26% of all sexual offenses. https://x.com/noxy_usa/status/1925745961717899379?s=46
>>153748001Lisa littman literally says she used a biased sample in her study
>>153747991>Rapid-onset gender dysphoria (ROGD) is the name given to a hypothesized new clinical subgroup of transgender youth, which would be characterized by coming out as transgender out of the blue in adolescence or early adulthood. Under this hypothesis, which is unsupported by evidence, children with ROGD falsely believe they are transgender due to social influence, trauma, and experiences of sexual objectification.ROGD is mostly strongly associated with the work of Dr. Lisa Littman, who published a study purporting to substantiate the hypothesis of ROGD. The study was based on the reports of parents recruited from well-known, anti-trans websites.As the World Professional Association for Transgender Health wrote, “it is both premature and inappropriate to employ official-sounding labels that lead clinicians, community members, and scientists to form absolute conclusions about adolescent gender identity development,” pointing out that ROGD “is not a medical entity recognized by any major professional association.”1In March, 21 experts in trans health endorsed an essay concluding that the hypothesis of ROGD is bad science.2 The group included multiple past presidents of the Canadian Professional Association for Transgender Health, its current president, the heads of the specialized Meraki Health Centre3, and the lead investigator of the Montreal arm of the Trans Youth CAN! studies.>Despite significant sampling and interpretive concerns with the study 4,5, it is not uncommon for it to be uncritically cited as evidence of a social contagion of trans identities.6 I write this article in the hopes of aiding practitioners develop a better understanding of the scientific concerns raised by ROGD and Littman’s study.So your answer to "that article is biased!" is to post a self-admitted biased article that's aiming to tackle an unrelated one by interviewing a bunch of pro-tranny advocates.Absolutely incredible.
>>153748031It's not a newsletter. It's been peer reviewed. it's citing other sources, and it's pointing out the flaws in lisa littman's study.
>>153747991>post academic paper>reply with newsletter from an activist
>>153748063see:>>153748062>It's not a newsletter. It's been peer reviewed. it's citing other sources, and it's pointing out the flaws in lisa littman's study.
>>153748086It also fails at doing that it desires to do >>153748059
>>153748035Yes. AA would have an overrepresentation of alcoholics. Given that the subject in this case is alcoholics that's inherently a good thing for its methodology. Congratulations, soon you'll learn what a "demographic" is instead of just thoughtlessly repeating words you heard in school yesterday.
>>153747984>"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." That's just a basic failure of logic on your part.Wait, how does that even relate to the discussion? Who even said that?
>>153748062Did ANYONE here cite her or are you strawmanning again?
>>153748100No, that's a very bad thing for it's methodology if you are trying to figure out how common being an addict is in the general population of people or people who drink at all.
>>153748086I read what they criticized and it comes off as "we can't let people think this is true" as per the quotes that anon posted.
>>153748115Is anyone talking about the general population, or are we talking about troons specifically?
>>153748112these people did:>>153747343>>153747639
>>153746923If there's one thing I've learned in my time online it's never try to argue with a troon. They're just going to play the role of the smug retard until you ragequit. These people are terminally online and know exactly what buttons to press
>>153747991>1. The sample group has a heavy and unacknowledged bias which affects the resultsLittman posted a survey on three websites asking parents about their transgender teens. What she failed to mention in her abstract is that all three websites -- 4thwavenow.com, transgendertrend.com, and YouthTransCriticalProfessionals.org -- are all dedicated to parents who do not recognize the gender identities of their children, and do not support their transitions. Littman did not post her survey to sites where parents of transgender adolescents support their children or even neutral sites.https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/2/20/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-biased-junk-science
>>153748115>if you are trying to figure out how common being an addict is in the general population of people or people who drink at all.But the study does show 70 times more likehood when compared to the general population. Also, other studies show the same:Littman provided the first full exploration of social factors linked to gender dysphoria. It was a (necessarily limited) first stab to work out what’s happening. Identification in friendship clusters suggests social influence is at play to some degree.https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2018-41224-001Other - still limited, but it’s early stages - evidence backs up the hypothesis of social influence. This study used a series of surveys to test whether other teenagers influence elements of someone’s gender identity. They found evidence that they do. https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-42156-001Another study found that teenagers who are at the receiving end of homophobic name-calling are more likely to identify as a different gender later in the school year.https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2016-42156-001Whats your answer to this plenthora of studies po8nting you wrong?
>>153748139greentext fail
>>153748125Okay egg on my face.
>>153748139How that would disprove the rapid increasing number of trans popping up among the group? Point out how.
>>153748148i know you didn't read those studies.
>>153748181I did. As you can see I can easily bring a huge number of studies to support each of my points in this conversation. And that is is your sole argument?
>>153748236Ok, can you tell us how you read them?
>>153748148you link the same study twice at the end.
>>153748248You can request a copy here:https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307577254_Peer_Influence_on_Gender_Identity_Development_in_Adolescence
>>153748181I know you didn't read >>153747991 because of the number of red flags in that article.My favorite part is where, in the middle of all of the unrelated padding, it goes off to excuse "Die CIS scum" types and unironically drops some casual anti-white racism.>As for calling cisgender, heterosexual people evil and unsupportive, it bears mentioning that social spaces shared by marginalized groups routinely involve hyperbolic venting and the demonization of groups seen as the oppressor — queer groups joke about “the straights” (including the derogatory term “breeders”), groups for people of color tend to joke about white people (whose resemblance to mayonnaise is noteworthy), and women-only groups ranting about how all men are trash (including the widespread sharing of quotes from Lord of the Rings like “Men? Men are weak”9).
>>153748289i strongly suspect you didn't do that.
>>153748291>whose resemblance to mayonnaise is noteworthylmfao, you can't make this shit up
>>153742464This grossed me out, mostly because you snuck into a female space to hear them talking about their bodies for your sexual gratification.This is literally what Jonathan Yaniv does.As a female, you elicit a sense of danger and disgust in me that is not welcomed. You are a pervert. Also, your perception of women as sexual objects to be abused is very apparent. You aren't being abused like a woman, you're just being abused, because you're a faggot.You are not a female, you are a transvestite. But I think you are aware of that.
>>153748173>How that would disprove the rapid increasing number of trans popping up among the group?>Point out how.Well it depends on what you are trying to prove. If you are just saying this is a low minimum of how many people have kids who are transgender, it's probably a fine use of a source.But The claim that started this line of discussion wasn't just that there are more transgender people who are open to their parents. It's that it was influenced by hentai and porn.The other thing is ROGD doesn't just theorize that there are more non-closeted transgender people. It theorizes a mechanism as well.The groups of parents she drew her sample from aren't just against their kids being trans, they already assumed it was a trend caused by social factors. Their view of their children comes with an existing bias, which colors any info you get from them. So it makes it harder to use as evidence of a social trend.
All this bickering about studies and all I can think is that you don't need a study to prove that the trans movement is not compatible with a functioning society. The moment legislation sets the precedent that an empirically observational fact such as sex is entirely subjective then it makes any and all other empirical realities ignorable. There is no logical consistency in a society that recognizes a man can be a woman but doesn't also recognize a 5 year old as an adult or an allegation as fact. If society is willing to allow for fabrications to be treated as reality then we cease to live in a society where fact and fiction are separate concepts.
>>153748361While there is probably a self gratification part, most probably they enjoy being a part of the group talking like another woman
>>153748390Detransitioners have admitted that social trends are what lead to them transitioning. They later regretted it.Before you come at me with "provide examples!!" No, this shit is everywhere and is available with a google search.
>>153745675Honestly, a majority of it was just Hollywood types seeding it into media to try to normalize it. There weren't actually trannies running around for the most part.
>>153748390To make this easier to understand, the flipside would also be true.If your sample only included the most leftwing LGBT ally liberal parents, it wouldn't be a good argument that transgender identity is NOT a trend or that transitioning helps mental health.A strange analogy. If someone was doing a study and wanted to see if all white people hate black people (or vice versa), they shouldn't use the nation of islam or black hebrew israelites as their only sample of black people. Because those groups are biased.
>>153748361The author is ftm
>>153748291I found the part about women-only groups amusing. Because the author is the exact same type of person who would call women TERFs for excluding men from their women-only groups.Most recently it was a woman's only app in Australia meant to discuss sexual harassment and women's only issues. A troon sued the app's creator because they wouldn't verify him.
>>153748420Hit the nail on the head. I've seen trans activists say we "need more evidence" that prove males are physically stronger than females in order to push the idea that MTFs should be in women's sports as if that's not common fucking sense regardless if the male is on HRT. They're insane.
>>153746614Corporal punishment isn't abuse, anti-Christians just want it to be.
>>153742409This is highly satanic. It's like they want to upset little christians
>>153746750You can't have a study for everything, Anon.
>>153748478>You can't have a study for everything, Anon.ok, so why should I believe its caused by fear then?
>>153748478But how can I know that cows can't fly unless we have a study to prove it?
>>153748466>Hit the nail on the head. I've seen trans activists say we "need more evidence" that prove males are physically stronger than females in order to push the idea that MTFs should be in women's sports as if that's not common fucking sense regardless if the male is on HRT. They're insane.The sports thing is overblown but food for thought: How come trannies haven't won gold in the olympics in all the years they were allowed in the female section?
>>153746806Saying something inappropriate to a child is a type of grooming. It would be like mass replying to anyone you think is underage and telling them they should try some masturbation technique or something. You're intentionally exposing them to your fetish material in the hopes it has a lasting effect on them IRL.
>>153748478They have to pick up their words carefully
>>153746879Typically doesn't mean always.
>>153748333The article gets worse the more I dig into it.There is a legitimate criticism in the Littman's abstract in that there's a sampling bias, but, counterpoint: this is the author of that newsletter article. Clearly an unbiased source on the topic that's going to post only the best sources!If my sarcasm isn't apparent, here's another actual quote from the article:>This null hypothesis — that so-called ROGD is a typical presentation of late-onset gender dysphoria among youth with unsupportive parents — is much more plausible given the currently available data(No source given).The article keeps doing this - it keeps saying that "the data is wrong; the existing data proves us right," but doesn't actually cite anything worthwhile to the point. Yet it goes out of its way to cite that most trannies have been on tumblr, only tangentially related.Here's one of the article's sources to showcase how low the bar is:https://www.advocate.com/commentary/2018/2/20/rapid-onset-gender-dysphoria-biased-junk-scienceLet me save you a read: opinion piece on "advocate.com" that doesn't cite really anything for the "data" it proposes, several repeated insistences that "the data" contradicts it, the one good criticism, and a bunch of self-congratory malding. Only real difference is this one's outright with its political slant by whining about "muh right wing" at the beginning instead of pretending to be impartial.
>>153748361>as a femaleWell, we're waiting.
>>153748390Thing is, its not statiscally realistic that large groups of friends around the same time decide that they were born as 0,7% of the population.
>>153748429anecdotally, according to /tttt/, most of the trend stuff is theyfabs who dont actually take hormones.
>>153746887Every single trans person will admit that sissy porn "cracked their egg" if you tell them you're doubting being trans because sissy porn is what first started cracking your egg
>>153748446You're saying this like most answers to these kinds of studies AREN'T just some quack going "well this leftist advocate says that isn't true so IT ISN'T SHUT UP CHUDS!"
>>153748553>Thing is, its not statiscally realistic that large groups of friends around the same time decide that they were born as 0,7% of the population.They probably just looked for other lgbt+whatever kids at school to be friends with.
>>153747043> this is a bad faith prerequisite to preemptively dismiss criticisms based on some arbitrary criteria, ironically poisoning the well, and asking the reader prioritize a fictional narrative over their own experiences with reality.Nailed it
>>153747065A lot of people have layovers at airports that doesn't mean you'll see them walking around in town. Especially if they're literally a bondsman that's not free to do as they please.
>>153748429destransitioners are pretty rare actually. And most of them are only detransitioning temporarily or due to external factors. The ones who actually regret it are a tiny tiny chunk.
>>153748565i doubt this.
>>153748652That's a whole lot of claims for someone not providing a source.
>>153747472> relying on second hand information from a parent.That's legally admissible in a court of law as a valid form of direct evidence.> t. Had jury duty recently
>>153748578The entire point is that they didn't show signs prior to that.How else you think "social contagion" can be observed? Social contagion is a firmly accepted fenomenon.
>>153748530>If my sarcasm isn't apparent, here's another actual quote from the article:>>This null hypothesis — that so-called ROGD is a typical presentation of late-onset gender dysphoria among youth with unsupportive parents — is much more plausible given the currently available data>(No source given).Do you know what a null hypothesis is?
>>153748675Puiitzer prize winner, btw.
>>153748675This.Sometimes it's not sissy porn. Sometimes they're just "eggs" groomed by older men or batshit parents.
>>153748695https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detransition#Reasons
>>153748652>destransitioners are pretty rare actuallyStudies which give low estimates have been criticised for their "serious limitations", such as short follow-up, high or unclear rates of loss to follow up, reliance on individuals returning to secondary care clinics reporting transition regret or seeking reversal procedures, (a study of 100 detransitioners found that only 24% of respondents informed their clinicians that they had detransitioned), errors, non-replicability, as well as other issues.Studies have reported higher rates of desistance among prepubertal children. A 2016 review of 10 prospective follow-up studies from childhood to adolescence found desistance rates ranging from 61% to 98%, with evidence suggesting that they might be less than 85% more generally. A 2019 clinical assessment found that 9.4% of patients with adolescent-emerging gender dysphoria either ceased wishing to pursue medical interventions or no longer felt that their gender identity was incongruent with their assigned sex at birth within an eighteen-month period.Another study from a UK primary care practice found that 12.2% of those who had started hormonal treatments either detransitioned or documented regret, while a total of 20% stopped the treatments for a wider range of reasons. An April 2022 study found that 284 individuals out of a total of 952 (29.8%) had stopped hormone therapy treatments.Studies of transition regret or detransition in different populations have found different (average or median) elapsed times before these occurred: a 2018 study found 10 years and 10 months on average to regret (but not necessarily detransition) from start of hormonal therapy, and a 2014 study of those who had surgery found a median lag of 8 years before requesting a reversal of legal gender status. A 2021 UK study found evidence that supports detransitioning occurring on average 4–8 years after transitioning.
>>153747500Cherry picking means only showing an outlier that supports your argument while ignoring an clear and present majority trend that contracts the outlier. In this case there is no majority trend that contradicts the outlier. Simply having a few examples rather than a dozen or more doesn't constitute cherry picking.
>>153748716Wikipedia is not a reliable source for trans related topics. The editors are so far into the gender cult and delete anything that's critical of the movement. The patients run the asylum.
>>153748652>The ones who actually regret it are a tiny tiny chunk.Literal propaganda as seem >>153748719
>>153748699>The entire point is that they didn't show signs prior to that.>How else you think "social contagion" can be observed? The parents think they didn't show signs. This could also mean they hid signs from their parents or that the parents just weren't paying attention. Parent's aren't aware of everything that goes on in their children's lives. There's plenty of parents who aren't aware their children are homosexuals until they walk in on them with their gf/bf. If you want to call it a mental issue, there's people who have depression or more severe illnesses without their parents being aware of it.>Social contagion is a firmly accepted fenomenon.By who?
>>153748719Source? Did you just pull this off ai summary?
>>153748652Nigga the rate of detransitions in the UK have gone up like 3000% since the Tavistock Clinic was exposed pushing HRT and Puberty Blockers without consultation with a mental health specialist.Or Mermaids the foundation being found sending breast-ironing kits to underaged children, where Breast-Ironing is literally illegal in the UK.
>>153748702Do you know what "available data" is?Because if you're going to say it exists, then it better be linked in the article. But it isn't. The article and its sources keep citing this vague "available data" as a convenient copout to avoid substantiating any of their claims. Without that type of backing, saying lines like "more plausible" is literally just the author's opinion; an author that's shameless about citing random opinion pieces.
>>153748716>wikipediaAnon…Also, one of the survives Wiki cites is from a clinic where they lost half of their respondents during the study. If you have 10 people, lose 5 during your study, and the remaining 5 all agree with you, you can’t then claim that your point was proven.
>>153748733The examples were drawn from extremely biased samples:>>153748139
>>153748779>Nigga the rate of detransitions in the UK have gone up like 3000% since the Tavistock Clinic was exposed pushing HRT and Puberty Blockers without consultation with a mental health specialist.source?
>>153748777https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9516050/https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5841333/https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104518825288https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35452119/https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29463477/
>>153748798those attrition rates seem normal:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3503744/
>>153748819you're a lost cause
>>153748779Mermaids’ CEO Susie Green took her 16-year-old to Thailand for bottom surgery because the UK requirement was to wait to 18. That organization is freaky.
>>153747564Actually, it often does. That's just basic scientific observation. The reason that phrase exists is to remind ourselves it's not gospel so it won't always be 100% the case. For an easy to understand example of how that phrase is misused I would point to it being the main argument for big tobacco about saying the Cancer Association was lying about smoking causing cancer because "correlation doesn't imply causation" and insisting it was an unknown X variable.https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/evidence-in-medicine-correlation-and-causation/
>>153748831>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9516050/This seems like a brief meta analysis. a quote from it:>The survey found that 8% of respondents had detransitioned temporarily or permanently at some point and that the majority did so only temporarily. Rates of detransition were higher in transgender women (11%) than transgender men (4%). The most common reasons cited were pressure from a parent (36%), transitioning was too hard (33%), too much harassment or discrimination (31%), and trouble getting a job (29%).
>>153742781I watch some pornography of some transgenders, it was these two male to female and one of them worked passable the other didn't one of them had terrible boobs the other had like okay looking ones because they hadn't got that much surgery and they were showing these giant things up their butthole I couldn't believe it like we're talking three foot long objects and their fake vaginas looked awful and they couldn't use them so they ended up just shoving things up there butt. I've seen fisting before but this was like on the horse level when it was like all the way up I was quite surprised, and I kept thinking to myself well if you're not going to have a workable vagina then why the hell do you cut off your dick that would have been fine to keep that just take the hormones
>>153747617He did say what evidence would be enough: evidence so specific and extensive that it can't actually exist. Since the evidence can't exist that means it can't be true. Pilpul 101.
>>153747672Lol that was the argument tobacco companies used to argue smoking doesn't cause cancer.
>>153748920This isn't impossible to exist:>>153747729
>>153748819I found this on the guardian
>>153748892>This seems like a brief meta analysis. a quote from it:Retard.You just went after the quite and NOT read the rest of the article. This comes right after it says "it was assumed the rates were low" when the actual findings in the study were much higher.
>>153748938>Lol that was the argument tobacco companies used to argue smoking doesn't cause cancer.The person i responded to called it as obvious as chopping an arm off. They made the argument first.
Just a whole load of faggot tranny shit above this post FYI
>90% of this thread
>>153748953where does it mention 3000% percent?https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/23/high-court-ruling-on-puberty-blockers-based-on-partisan-evidence
>>153747764Don't forget Anon, this can't just be a real world example or testimony, it has to have been verified using a double blind study pooling at least 100 or more individuals that was conducted by a pro-trans institution and took place within the last three years or it's invalid data, as well.
>>153748944But he was wrong then.Because it does show the prevalence compared to the overral population, and even he (you) admit that the parents don't really invalidate it.
>>153748977>what is a hyperbole
>>153748958quote?If you are talking about this:>As endocrinologists, we may overlook this aspect of care as many patients who detransition no longer present to our clinics for follow-up. In fact, one study of 100 detransitioners found that only 24% of respondents informed their clinicians that they had detransitionedThat's refering to a study of detransitioners. It didn't say 24% percent of transgender people detransition. it said only 24% of detransitioners tell their clinicians.
>>153747970Your definition of biased is anyone who disagrees with your assertions must be biased against you and intentionally lying.
>>153748976Source?
>>153748987>Because it does show the prevalence compared to the overral population,No it doesn't. It just samples parents who think their kids have ROGD.>and even he (you) admit that the parents don't really invalidate it. See the issue with the origins of the sample: >>153748139
>>153747991The descending order of reputable resources is:> .gov> .org> .net> .com
>>153749023if it was just the researcher who had those views it wouldn't be as big an issue with the study
>>153748971I don't know man transgenders have never been an issue for me the only problem I have with them is they pretend that the surgery makes them into a lady or a dude, it doesn't. If they had a magic machine that could do it perfectly that's one thing but I'm in cutting your working junk off to parade around to pretend to be something you ain't don't make no sense to me. Now if they walked around in the dress but kept all their stuff intact and tried to be like a lady I could understand because there's stuff still there but instead they just snip snip it, and then you look at the new job that they make in the doctor's office and it looks like crap. It's like why would you cut off some good titties I know you want to be a man why don't you just go lift a bunch of weights and cut your hair short and wear some man's clothes that to me is better than cutting off your perfectly good boobies or your penis . I mean they try to make fake dicks that look terrible they don't work right same thing with the vaginas man it's just weird it's like instead of just being honest and saying hey we can't make this stuff work they lie
>>153748962>>>153747822
>>153749054no its not.
>>153748059I like how evidence, common sense, and tradition spanning the entirety of human history is outright dismissed as unproven but a baseless assertion from their lobby is always treated as undeniable truth.
>>153749079The point still holds. Even if he wasn't making a serious argument, I wasn't the one who brought forward that idea.
>>153748978Well, no. If it's a pro-trans source, you can go ahead and cite opinion pieces and "the data." What data? Fuck you chud, here's an opinion piece whining about "the right wing."
>>153749021Anon... >This study found that the 4-year gender-affirming hormone continuation rate was 70.2% with 81% for the transfeminine group and 64% for the transmasculine group.
>>153749093>I like how evidence, common sense, and tradition spanning the entirety of human historyLike what?
>>153749044No u >>153748530
>>153749122Fuckin sea lions
>>153748062>>153748086No, it wasn't. The "Scientific Advisory Board" is their own internal department. Peer reviewed means an independent and qualified third party. The fact that they purposely misrepresented that it was should be a giant indicator that they know its false.
>>153748977No that's when they caught Tavistock 4 years ago maybe it went down
>>153749102>>>153747984
>>153742684I read this whole thing and I'm confused can someone help me did this person ever have a personality. Totally confused and exactly what they're complaining about like people were mean to them on the Internet they wanted to be a girl but that seems to be their only entire personal experience. I didn't see anything one say hey I was still reflecting and I came to this conclusion it's just sort of Internet made me gay. Watching cat girl videos and then all the sudden I decided to be a cat girl it's what,
>>153748039>In May 2025 the US Federal Bureau of Prisons released their statistics for ALL transgender inmates, showing MtF comprised 51.26% of all sexual offensesNo, It wasn't 1% of the population doing 50% of the crime. It said that 51% of transgender inmates omitted a sexual offense. Those are very different things. It didn't specify what those offenses were, but I wonder How many of those cclaimed to be mtf after sentencing or arrest and how many are actually transitioning.
>>153742781Here's what I'll say. I will to hang out with trans people, I will respect pronouns, I will respect their personal gender identity and their pronouns and act accordingly out of a basic human respect.That said when I hear they themselves use terms "fujoshi to trans pipeline". To me, that's where I feel a pretty severe disconnect. The men in yaoi are deliberately written to not be like actual guys gay or straight, but a woman's idealization of what a man "should be".And that is what I've noticed with "trans gay men" in general. There's not even really an attempt to relate to any aspect of the male experience.Like, the kind of playful shit talk guys do. Any man, gay or cis, can tell you it's something we only do after we've earned it with each other, a playfully competitive ritual based on trusting someone enough to insult you and that it's something special to us.Male psychologists will say it in that way, female psychologists will say it's nothing but toxic masculinity.But even when you try to explain it, they say "nope, toxic masculinity". And it just feels like.. they want to "fix" what they don't like about predominantly male spaces, every last one of these things tends to be stuff heterosexual women dislike about male culture.Like, it feels for not all, but a lot of FtM transitions, the goal is to simply become the female ideal of what "men should be", and that isn't undoing any gender essentialist norms, it's just creating new gender essentialism.And I'm not even saying trans men have to align with their counterparts perfectly, but they need to learn they don't get to just waltz in and change the culture to their liking, because even if they are right about some things being of patriarchal gender essentialist origin, they don't have the memories or experiences to be able to relate to the why. Those are discussions we have to have amongst ourselves
>>153749208How are those two posts related?
>>153749260Actually you are wrong. Per capita the number of transgender inmates for sex crimes is immsense.
>>153742538/pol/ was created in 2011 and bestgore in 2008.
>>153749260You're telling me the choice is stay in jail gets stabbed or take some pills and go to the lady's prison and get putang mmm hard decision here
>>153749298>Actually you are wrong. Per capita the number of transgender inmates for sex crimes is immsense.did you read what I posted?
>>153748390>>153748801The reason you're calling them iased is because they're saying things you disagree with personally not anything that is verifiably incorrect. >>153748506They aren't allowed to compete in the Olympics for that very reason.>>153748652Most trans people detransition, they just try to memoryhole it afterwards. It's very common in women who try to transition.>>153748675Try it, then.
>>153749322Yes. I never said that they commited 51% of the crimes. I said that they were massively over represented. Which they are.Per capita, much, much more than everyone else.
>>153749113And the part after that:>Important limitations of this study were that it was unable to assess the reasons why 30% of their sample discontinued hormonal therapy for more than 90 days, the short period of 90 days, and the inability to capture prescriptions filled outside of the military healthcare system. It would be interesting to know what proportion discontinued due to detransition versus other reasons such as an adverse effect of a medication or cost. Of note, the mean age in this study was 19.2 years. Those are important limitations.
>>153749357You know that I posted several studies with similar numbers right?
>>153749343>They aren't allowed to compete in the Olympics for that very reason.They were allowed from 2004 to 2026.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports#Olympics
>>153749289>How is a post rebuttalling me relevant to me trying to dig up my lost argument?
>>153749406The science advanced.
>>153748944He said the evidence can't be provided don't try to rewrite history here >>153747423
>>153749417my point is, how come none of the MTFs or ftms won medals during the 20 years they were allowed?
>>153749406Nature is healing
>400+ repliesNot surprised in the slightest
>>153749343>Most trans people detransition, they just try to memoryhole it afterwards. It's very common in women who try to transition.Source?
>>153749452>t.
>>153749414Which part of the post is a rebutal? It doesn't talk about any of the same subjects as far as i can tell.
>>153742464>Write your honest opinions >By the way here is a failure statement How about fuck off?
>>153749430How many there were?
>>153749469I accept your concession.
>>153749496https://www.thepinknews.com/2026/03/27/how-many-trans-women-have-competed-at-the-olympics/only one apparently.Regardless of whether you are ok or against transgenders in sports, there aren't really many of them in sports in the first place.
What PSX roms should I download and play tonight?
>>153748506>>153749406>The new guidelines require only that trans woman athletes declare their gender and not change that assertion for four years, as well as demonstrate a testosterone level of less than 10 nanomoles per liter for at least one year prior to competition and throughout the period of eligibilitylmao your own source says that trannies had to pass a filter to even be able to compete in women's competitions in the Olympics.
>>153749523And they still should only compete against their real sex. We all can agree with that.
>>153748797the available data is probably refering to her study. they're saying the study's data fails to refute the nnull hypothesis.
>>153749476>as far as i can tell.Well you're also retarded so that's not an accomplishment.>>153749499Faggot you were given a source but ignored it when you couldn't nitpick further. Fucking disingenuous little tranny freak.
>>153749541>lmao your own source says that trannies had to pass a filter to even be able to compete in women's competitions in the Olympics.What's your point? What's the issue with having to demonstrate that to qualify?
>>153749559No they are not. They keep citing this "available data" elsewhere. You didn't even read your own faggy article.
>>153749565>Well you're also retarded so that's not an accomplishment. >>153749565>Faggot you were given a source but ignored it when you couldn't nitpick further. Fucking disingenuous little tranny freak.none of those sources said most trannies detransition.
>>153749418the evidence could exist in that way, but those users aren't capable of providing it.thats not a contradiction.
>>153749578Retard you posted >>153748506 as an answer to trans activists saying that men aren't stronger than women, using an example of a committee that filters transfags explicitly because men are typically stronger than women.
>>153749578>What's the issue with having to demonstrate that to qualify?They had*Because they don't need anymore, because turns out it wasn’t enough and they cannot compete
>>153749622>Retard you posted >>153748506 as an answer to trans activists saying that men aren't stronger than women, using an example of a committee that filters transfags explicitly because men are typically stronger than women.HRT decreases the strength. Thats why the filter existed and they required proper transition
>>153749596>>>153749113>>>153749377At what point do you shut up and take the L?
>>153749584>No they are not. They keep citing this "available data" elsewhere. You didn't even read your own faggy article.It uses the term available data once in the entire article, and only in that paragrpah. Those words only appear in that paragraph.
>>153749645Yes, retard, thank you for collaborating that men are typically stronger than women while also answering your own bad faith "well then why don't men dominate women's sports?" concern trolling.
>>15374965330% is not most.
>>153749685The other 41% will end up trying to kill themselves tho...
>>153749674How is it concern trolling?What do you think HRT does?
>>153749665Reality check: You're now actually trying to salvage an undersourced newsletter opinion piece by evoking semantic pedanticism.
>>153742578>TF2 >Space populated by menMeanwhile my dumb ass was getting introduced to yaoi fanfics by fujoshi on tf2chan around the same time.
>>153749697You haven't shown that is a separate portion of the transitioners. without further information it could also be theccase that destransitioners are more likely to attempt suicide.
>>153749685That point of yours has been contested and refuted but the same anon that cited the studies, ending in a point you did not refute.
>>153748962It can be as obvious but not as rapid due to having a clear and obvious X variable. >>153749064I'm saying your assertion that those forums are biased isn't necessarily true because you're basing that entirely on just disagreeing with the discourse on the forums personally, not that there was any fault in their logic or assertions.>>153749085Yes, it is. I learned this multiple times in school back when teachers were insistent that: "Wikipedia is not a source.">>153749122Well, we could start with the Bible which is the only undeniable truth, but there's also the fact that transgender people have never been openly accepted in any documented society in human history and the sparse few times they have allegedly showed up it was very briefly before being done away with as well as the fact that everyy single society has basically the same understanding of men and women and that they are as they're born with similar roles and attitudes to both. All of that is always outright disregarded or attempted to be disproved with what is an actual cherry picked example of women allegedly handling household finances in a brief period of ancient Sparta when a majority of men were away at war or some such, but even then is often a misrepresented statistic that has been exaggerated to fit a biased narrative. Conversely, a baseless assertion such as: "this is real because I decided it was" is treated as indisputable fact and as in the above example often linked as a valid source and treated like a scientific fact.
>>153749724>That point of yours has been contested and refuted but the same anon that cited the studies, ending in a point you did not refute.which point was contested?
>>153749708whats the issue with this paragraph criticzing the study?>The first and most commonly noted problem with the study is its choice of sample. It relies on parental report without independent confirmation and posted recruitment advertising exclusively on anti-trans websites. The websites where participants were recruited discourage parents and the public alike from accepting or affirming the gender identities of trans people and routinely depict all transgender people as deluded and subject to false belief. This introduces a significant bias, as parents are already encouraged to view their children’s identities as false beliefs, and may intentionally or unintentionally misreport certain facts, notably due to recall bias. As I previously noted, it is legitimate for studies to include parental reports. However, sole reliance on parental report majorly undermines scientific validity. In the study, parental reports of ROGD were uncritically accepted even when contradicted by the child’s counsellor, therapist, or doctor.i'm gonna eat lunch. i'll be back if the threads not dead in 30-40 minutes
>>153749706>>>153749469
>>153746928>you see these people giving fake accounts of their lives all over the placeNo. I do not. Which once again begs the question: why. do. you?I don't go looking for trans media and therefore don't encounter these "fake accounts of their lives all over the place" like you and the other guy do. Why are you so exposed to this stuff and I'm not? What are we doing differently?And this is coming from a guy who has a few trans and non-binary friends so the idea that someone so dead set against them is somehow bombarded with their media while I'm just… not… seems like an exaggeration.
Comics & Cartoons?
>>153749723>detransitioner>trans
>>153749750>>>153748831I'm begging you.For one. Fucking. Post. Can you stop being disingenuous?
>>153749537KoudelkaMizzurna FallsVampire Hunter D
>>153742684retarded little troll was a shitter for years and got got, fuck himplay victim all you want, "people" like him hang out in sick fuck spaces like the edgesphere and harass children for fun. the guy who doxed him? he's just like him.
>>153749406They don't allow anyone who's gone through male puberty to compete against women.
>>153749768>>>153748461Please, stop with this "playing dumb" faggotry. You're just asking questions that were answered by posts you've been ignoring all thread.
>>153749452All the detransitioners. We all go to the same kink club.
>>153742538Welcome to Team Fortress 2. After 9 years in development, hopefully it will have been worth the wait. Thanks, and have fun.
>>153742684Riley seems like a self obsessed person and an unreliable narrator I wouldn't like him as a part of my community nor could I blame anyone for feeling the ssme way
>>153749617He said: "I know you can't actually provide that evidence." that means he's purposely requesting something so specific that he knows it can't be provided.
>>153742781Hardly anyone likes people speaking the actual truth. You are not quite there yet but you are a good charitable person realizing many things preached as good by the world are not good at all.My personal hope and advice is that you look for the SSPX.Good luck.
>>153749723If they detransition that means they aren't trans. If 41% of trans people commit suicide than that means 41% plus 30% equals out to 71% of people who attempt transition do not find success or happiness
>>153749768By this logic there is no unbiased person to report, as a victim of a cult is not likely to say that they are part of a cult brainwashing them, unless they leave.But if they leave they become setransitioners, and you don't accept depoiments of detransitioners.
>>153749873No, the tranny doesn't want something specific. The unspoken part is in brackets: "That's not a request. It's a statement. I know that you can't actually provide evidence [that will satisfy me, because I will reject everything you say.]"
>>153749911The what from the what?
>>153742735>>153749308Moot took down /new/ in 2011 because it was infested by stormfront. He brought it back as /pol/ and threatened to remove it for good if it became stormfront again.
>>153749945Stormfront is more civil than /pol/.
That was depressing
>>153749884Nah, sorry, religion isn't for me. In a lot of ways extreme religious people are like trans activists in the way they say that their way is the only way and those opposing them are evil. Both groups are pushing repressive ideologies, both believe in forced gender roles, just the way they go about it isn't quite the same.
>>153749793Sweet, thanks.
>>153750056>B-b-but religion!This might shock you, but you can "preach" something and not necessarily be referring to a religious subject.
I read it elsewhere I feel bad for most trannies they legitimately seemed so traumatized by something or so porn brained by the Internet they go straight to hrt rather than actually getting to point of their problems . They are the sweetest people and I will stand by them . I pray in the next life they will be happy . However I do feel like lots of the younger ones are faking it , or delusional to point they will be as cute as anime girl . Another point is youth. I bet in 20 years we will see mass suicides of trannies who go through aging . I want them to grow old it's a beautiful thing. But I think trans culture has an unhealthy fixation on youth.My past thought is 4chan is just awful for anyone and attracts outcasts who don't fit in
>>153749772ad hominem. i accept your concession.
>>153742578>>153742650>>153742659LMAOOOO >>153742464Nigga, you're retarded and unironically insane, what "serious" conversation where you trying to have with us when you are here basically admitting you feel more opressed by your family treating you like the dude you are, than the degenerate internet mob that yourself are a part of?Like, where you expecting to generate sympathy over being told to show your asshole while you livestream your suicide when you just admitted that gets you off?Lay off the hormones the porn and the internet altogheter, you are killing yourself.Also, nobody from /pol/ fucking talks or acts like that.
>>153749805>They don't allow anyone who's gone through male puberty to compete against women.i dont see the issue there.
>>153749791None of those studies say most (former) transgenders detransition. For something to be most, it has to be above 50%.
>>153750056As I said, you are not quite there yet, but I hope you get there, God bless you.
>>153742464Sorry but you displayed being a tranny faggot but props on trying to pretend to be a human. Minor props considering how much the trend has petered off>>153742578This is imagining what the 00s are like while displaying the demonic chaos of a trans leftist zoomer’s mind. Listing Wikipedia facts and then making shit up does not form an authentic experience of life.>>153742606Overwrought mental disease isn’t based. Normalcy is trying to emerge from his mind but not in a based way, in a “my dommy mommies who control my discourse keep signaling that people are becoming disillusioned with my crap” way.
>>153749909Those studies posted say most people detransition because of external causes rather than deciding they aren't trans.
>>153749819>>153748461That doesn't answer the point at all. The websites that were used in the biased sample in littman's study weren't women's only spaces.
>>153742781>>153743021These posts feel pretty accurate to me. Riley is a person with profound self esteem issues before any of the events of the comic. Cross dressing is a way to adopt a new identity because he absolutely despises his own. He has sense of self worth and his outlets for self expression are generally unhealthy. Even if you want to be a woman, you shouldn’t be so desperate for attention that you’re willing to self harm. I don’t think being a woman in a man’s body is the underlying issue, but more like a symptom, a self diagnosis, and a futile hope for a cure. Riley needed a genuinely good therapist who could help him work on his self identity issues and encourage him to get out into the world and do something that brings him real, lasting joy. Real friends, real achievements, a real future. And the knowledge that he had self worth even if he wasn’t wearing his sister’s underwear. Maybe in 2007, he could’ve found that, if his parents had noticed how much he was struggling. Nowadays, I don’t know if any therapist would try to dissuade someone from transitioning, even if they obviously had other mental health issues that were pushing them to that conclusion. The story is sad enough without going over the top in the end. It feels like a boogieman, a distraction. Look what those evil 4chan people did. But Riley was already destroying himself long before anyone told him to. He needed help, and he wasn’t getting it.
>>153750369>>They don't allow anyone who's gone through male puberty to compete against women.>i dont see the issue there.To be clear, I don't see the issue with having a restriction or requiring qualifications to be met.
>>153750449>>>153749911
>>153750290Majority of them aren't porn addicts who independently decided to troon out and destroy their lives and bodies. The porn addiction is just a symptom of a profoundly broken mind. Trooning out doesn't even solve that problem for the majority of them. They just stop feeling ashamed about it and make being a porn-brained degenerate a larger part of their identity. But the idea had to be there from the start. No one with a stable mind looks at trans people and genuinely believes that mutilating their genitals and taking hormone injections will fix their lives.Most common reason is that they got sucked into the cult tactics every trans community uses. They had preexisting mental illnesses that make them susceptible to the cult-ish manipulation. They get told over and over by other trannies, who are also lying to themselves, that HRT is magical and saved their lives. They were totally going to kill themselves until they found this community that gushes unconditional love and acceptance who constantly tell each other how amazing and sexy they are and how nothing in the world is their fault and how every single thing that's ever been wrong in their entire lives has been because they needed to transition and also that society is bigoted and stupid for not accepting them.>They are the sweetest people and I will stand by themThey are only nice as long as you are feeding into and affirming their delusions. All the worst aspects of masculinity will come bursting out from their proverbial seams the moment you express any doubt or concerns about their behavior and how unhealthy it is to have a cabal of mentally ill men constantly telling each other their depraved rape fantasies and how much they hate cis women for trying to gatekeep the femininity that they believe they deserve more, like a bunch of entitled, spoiled children who can't accept reality.
>>153750290>. But I think trans culture has an unhealthy fixation on youth.Well, a lot of trannies, just like the rest of the LGB, are unironically pedos, that's how the mindvirus spreads, normalization, grooming, abuse and trauma from a young age.
>become addicted to gore and porn>do nothing but play video games and eat unhealthy>start doing ratchet shit like putting on your sister's clothes, entering women's bathrooms, catfishing online for sexual gratification, sharing pics of your naked body>even worse, you're part of the problem where you perpetuate this systemic cycle of abuse because you're addicted to a fucked up social circle that gets off on cruelty>be surprised that nobody likes you or your contributions to society when this kind of upbringing seems common to everyone of a trans identitycool comic i guess, really made me think
>>153750481>>153749911>By this logic there is no unbiased person to report, as a victim of a cult is not likely to say that they are part of a cult brainwashing them, unless they leave.The issue is that they only chose a from a bias in one direction. If you want your study to be, it needs to have sample from the broader population.I already addressed this point here: >>153748446
>>153750548*If you want your study to be good
>>153750418Those studies also classify people who have not transitioned in any way as being "forced" to detransition because they had to wear gender-appropriate clothes to some function or gathering. Meaning there was no real transition to speak of and that they were padding out their data with little tumblr girls who say their pronouns are he/him and claim to be men while changing nothing about their lives and not seeking any medical or surgical procedures.Which is a good thing, because it means there's still time for them to grow out of it, as most do, but it really just hammers home how much trans discourse and research amounts to kids playing pretend while medical institutions try to justify why they deserve to keep making money off telling kids to mutilate themselves.
>>153750548The second quoted post deminstrates how nonsense "muh broader population" is, and your own article is even worse than the study that it's criticizing.You're just trying to argue in circles at this point hoping that nobody remembers you trying to dig up defeated points.>I already addressed it inNo you didn't. You keep begging the question and bringing up retarded hypotheticals, while everyone you argue against keeps giving you lists of sources.
>>153742598>>153742607>>153742642>>153742650This only made me apathetic to Troons and their issues more. Sexual deviants deserve death
>>153750520The Aimee Challenor case is a prime example. >Reddit mod who ran for a low-level British political party>hires her dad to work as campaign manager>her dad is charged for raping and torturing a 10 year old girl>Chanllenor is a teen when this happens in her home, says nothing to the Green Party, lets dad co-mingle with constituents >Challenor meets a gay American online, they start e-dating>the gay American has public online posts about wanting to fuck kids>Challenor transitions
>>153750622>The second quoted post deminstrates how nonsense "muh broader population" is, and your own article is even worse than the study that it's criticizing.If you only choose from a specific population biased in a specific way, the results will be biased. Taking a sample from the broader population reduces that bias.Getting the full picture reduces the bias.This is pretty basic stuff. What's the issue with the statement?
>>153750622>The second quoted post deminstrates how nonsense "muh broader population" is, and your own article is even worse than the study that it's criticizing.Ok, so how should samples for studies be taken?
I wonder what could've possibly gone down in this thread.
>>153742781>And even then they still hold hobbies that match with their actual sex. Many MTFs are into programming and tech and automobiles, typically very masculine hobbies. FTMs like knitting, romance novels, and so on and so forth. And yet they still think they must be the opposite gender, actually, because being the opposite sex would be so much easierCan confirm. Every FtM I've ever seen or met seems to almost exclusively be into fujo shit. They endlessly obsess over yaoi and gay shipping and 'softboi uwu' shit. Like, wow, you're such a MAN that all you care about is gay shipping in children's cartoons and She-Ra? Amazing. What masculinity.Every MtF I've ever met has been an extremely autistic ex-tech bro whose hobbies are almost exclusively warhammer 40k, talking about New Vegas, PC game modding, and retro game speedrunning. The most feminine hobbies or sperging out about the latest MtG set and talking about how they can combo one new card with the deck they've been refining for the last 5 years, in between working on their model train and WW2 memorabilia collections. Pinnacle of womanhood right there.
>>153750735any thread about on /co/ that is specifically about a comic on transgender issues, will obviously devolve into argument about transgender issues.THe same applies to any comic/cartoon about controversial subjects. It happened during the abortion subplot in invincible.
>>153750714>B-b-but I said "biased" one more time so instead of actually making a point I'm going to babble like a pretentious idiot!>>153750731>1 minute + 2 second latency apartObvious samefag.
>>153750746how many do you know?
>>153742781Pretty much this.
>>153750778>Obvious samefag.I thought of a question that needed to be asked after I posted the first post.>>153750778>>B-b-but I said "biased" one more time so instead of actually making a point I'm going to babble like a pretentious idiot!I made a point. If you aren't going to explain what the issue is, I accept your concession.
>>153742464you really should've cut it off by the second word chunk if this wasn't meant to be bait.
>>153750798In real life? I've met at least 3 FtMs and 5 MtF that meet those criteria to a tee. One of which was the teen son of a family friend who was extremely autistic about Sonic the Hedgehog and Warhammer. If we count the amount of artists and e-celebs exhibiting these behaviors that I've witnessed from the safe distance of the internet, the numbers are hard to tally because it's just so common.
>>153743730I don't feel bad for dykes at all.
>>153750778Some info on bias in sampling:https://web.ma.utexas.edu/users/mks/statmistakes/biasedsampling.htmlhttps://www.scribbr.com/research-bias/sampling-bias/https://www.evalacademy.com/articles/sampling-bias-identifying-and-avoiding-bias-in-data-collection
>>153750746>>153750854>In real life? I've met at least 3 FtMs and 5 MtF that meet those criteria to a tee. One of which was the teen son of a family friend who was extremely autistic about Sonic the Hedgehog and Warhammer. If we count the amount of artists and e-celebs exhibiting these behaviors that I've witnessed from the safe distance of the internet, the numbers are hard to tally because it's just so common.I think hobbies have more to do with socialization or social groups than your gender. I am a rather masculine cisgender man and I used to knit when I was a kid. I think my mother tried to teach me.
>>153750823>If you aren't going to explain what the issue is, I accept your concession.Gee maybe if, for once, you acknowledged the rebuttals against you instead of selective cherrypicking this wouldn't be needed:>>>>153750622>No you didn't [refute the logical inconsistency in your sealioning]. You keep begging the question and bringing up retarded hypotheticals, while everyone you argue against keeps giving you lists of sourcesTrannies are porn-addicted freaks. Being an annoying faggot isn't going to convince anyone of anything besides "41% is too low of a number."
>>153750510That sounds like porn addiction to me fag
>>153742578>When used to describe someone's behavior, writing, or speech, "mordant" means sharply caustic, scathing, or incisive. A mordant comment is biting and clever, often utilizing dark or stinging humor.I learned something new today.
>>153746908Trying to get a sense of belonging I recon.
>>153750893Posting the definition to a term does not prove its relevance you stupid faggot.This is just the >>153747984 argument again that you refused to answer. >>153748122Retarded pedo.
>>153750954What response have I failed to acknowledg?
>>153750927Mmmm.... No. The way women and men engage with the world around them and the kind of things they generally care about are distinctly different. Not to say that there's no overlap, but men don't engage with fandom by talking about which two straight male characters they want to see having a fluffy wuffy queer romance and women don't engage in fandom by autistically arguing about lore and power scaling.
>>153751006Holy shit you got ninja'd hard.>inb4 "huh? what? Huh?" for the fiftieth time.
>>153750959Porn addiction is a symptom of an already sick mind. Wanting to turn your porn addiction into a lifestyle is likewise a profoundly insane thing for anyone to pursue. They are porn addicts, but that's part of the problem, not the source of the problem.
>>153751010>male characters they want to see having a fluffy wuffy queer romance and women don't engage in fandom by autistically arguing about lore and power scaling.I do both of these though.
>>153751052And?
>>153751052Exceptions that prove the rule are not in conflict with the point being made.
>>153751005>This is just the >>153747984 argument again that you refused to answer. I already answered that.
>>153742684This is depressing as fuck. Not in a boo-hoo way but the kind that leaves a gaping, rotten hole where a good time should be. This is a pitiful way to live. How does this happen?
>>153751083Yet >>153748122 remains without an answer... Shut up pedo
>>153748122>Is anyone talking about the general population, or are we talking about troons specifically?If you are trying to figure out if ROGD is a real thing, you shouldn't just interview parents who already believe their kids have ROGD.
>>153751109Unrestricted internet access. I don’t feel bad for parents who have to deal with this since they’re not doing their job.
>>153751150Strawman argument
>>153751179How is this a strawman? I'm explaining the issue with the study that Lisa littman conducted.
>>153751200A straw man argument (or straw man fallacy) is a common logical fallacy where someone distorts, exaggerates, or oversimplifies an opponent's actual position. By doing this, they create a much weaker, artificial version of the argument (the "straw man") that is easy to knock down, creating the illusion that they have successfully disproved the original
>>153751213and how is my post a strawman? What is the original position that is being oversimplified?
>>153751230I just said in >>153751213. The strawman fallacy is actually a thing.https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawmanhttps://owl.excelsior.edu/argument-and-critical-thinking/logical-fallacies/logical-fallacies-straw-man/
>>153751244>>153751213>>153751179Based
>>153751244I already know what a strawman is. I've known for a very long time. I asked "How is my post a strawman?" I didn't ask "What is a strawman?" Did you read the second sentence? I asked specifically "What is the original position that is being oversimplified?"
>>153751267I already explained how your post is a strawman. A strawman argument is wen you make up claims instead of addressing new ones. See https://www.grammarly.com/blog/rhetorical-devices/straw-man-fallacy/Is the link not working? Sorry I'm using McDonald's wifi.
>>153751109>How does this happen?judging from the embarassing second post itt, i can't help but feel the author is trying to paint 4chan's toxic masculine online environment as a self-hating women-hating trans pipeline, and that we should all hold hands and forgive riley for developing a crossdressing fetish because he posted on 4chan too much.like a "YOU made him this way" shocker reveal or something.
>>153751306What is the original claim that is being ignored? Which claim was made up?
>>153751318I dont think the author posted it here. I feel like that post was someone who saw it on twitter and wanted to tweak noses.
>>153748122>Is anyone talking about the general population, or are we talking about troons specifically?It's the same way that you can't figure out what percent of alcohol drinkers are addicts by just interviewing those in rehab. There are addicts who aren't in rehab. And it doesn't tell you the amount of alcohol drinkers in general.If you are trying to figure out what percent of people transition because of social influence*, you can't just interview those (parents) who think it was social pressure. You need to compare it to the general population of transgender people. * or anime or hentai or whatever.
>>153751344I already said in >>153751213. If you're not going to refute that then I accept your concession.
>>153751411Are you a schizo? There's nothing about troons in this post:>>153751213>A straw man argument (or straw man fallacy) is a common logical fallacy where someone distorts, exaggerates, or oversimplifies an opponent's actual position. By doing this, they create a much weaker, artificial version of the argument (the "straw man") that is easy to knock down, creating the illusion that they have successfully disproved the original
>>153751406>>>153751406>>There are addicts who aren't in rehab. And it doesn't tell you the amount of alcohol drinkers in general.>"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." That's just a basic failure of logic on your part.
>>153751439>>"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." That's just a basic failure of logic on your part.How does that apply here?
>>153751426Well of course not, I was proving how your post was a strawman, because if your post misrepresents the argument of what it's talking about then it's a strawman, as I proved earlier.
>>153751461Which post was the strawman of?
>>153751459Because it's literally the greentext in the first post lol
>>153751473It was a strawman of Littman, as I already proved.
>>153751491no you didn't. you just claimed it was.
>>153751503Wrong. I proved it in >>153751244.
>>153751474>Because it's literally the greentext in the first post lolThis post:>>153747984Or this post:>>153747945
>>153751512That post says nothing about littman or my post. The links define a strawman. They do not describe my post or littman.
>>153751406>who think it was social pressure. You need to compare it to the general population of transgender people.You can do that by comparing the number of trannies in the group with the overral population (0,7%) and reaching to the conclusion that its statiscally extrenelly unlikely that all these people were "born" trans.
>>153747639>>153747844>https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157>There is expected variation in how objective parents can be about their own children. Some individual biases may limit the objectivity of parents. This descriptive study was not designed to explore or measure the objectivity of participants. Participants may have first learned about this study from one of four (or more) sites described previously where recruitment information was posted. It is possible that exposure to websites that take a cautious or negative approach to transition during adolescence and young adulthood and exposure to websites that take a pro-gender-affirming approach might influence how parents report about their children’s experiences. There have not been any studies to determine if parents who seek information from online sites in general, don’t seek information from online sites, or seek information from specific online sites, including the four sites noted for this study, differ in their ability to provide objective assessments of their children. However, if there were an excess of participants who, compared to other parents who take surveys reporting on their children, were less able to be objective about their children, it could limit some of the findings of the study, particularly for findings that are more interpretive rather than the findings that are more concrete.It also literally says it recruited only parents who thought their kids had ROGD >This study recruited participants based on whether participants thought their child exhibited a sudden or rapid onset of gender dysphoria beginning during or after puberty and did not recruit based on parental beliefs about what types of approaches toward gender dysphoric AYAs are best
>>153751567>You can do that by comparing the number of trannies in the group with the overral population (0,7%) and reaching to the conclusion that its statiscally extrenelly unlikely that all these people were "born" trans.You can't do that, because they specifically and only looked for people with transgender kids.
>>153751168>>153751318well, whatever the reason, the end result seems to be bearing a permanent cross for the rest of your life ala the infamous copypasta. Just the other day I saw one of those posts of someone wishing they were a girl saying that even if he transitioned, he'd be a trans woman and not a woman no matter how much he desired otherwise. kinda fucked that the only real option is to cope that off.
>>153751544How does it not?
>>153751459>>153751439>>153751474Simple question: Who is the X group and who is the Y group?
>>153751658you responded to the post that answers your question.
>>153751639That's obvious, we already have data on how many trannies exist out there.
>>153751659It says in the post you dumbass.
>>153751670How?
>>153751676So, Are alcohol drinkers the X group and alcohol addicts the Y group?
>>153751179How is it a strawman? The study said that's what she did:>>153751609
>>153751706No you dumbass, you have it backwards.
>>153751676>>153751706And for the other group in the analogy. Are socially influenced transitioners the X group and transitioners the Y group?
>>153751724Huh? I already refuted that by pointing out you strawmanned her. >>153751244
>>153751736Y is "the general population" you faggot.
>>153751732Ok so:>alcohol addicts are the X group and alcohol drinkers are the Y groupPlugging that into your statement:>"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." we get:>"Most alcohol addicts are alcohol drinkers" does not mean "all alcohol drinkers are alcohol addicts." Yep that checks out. Though "Most alcohol addicts are alcohol drinkers" is a bit of a tautology, It would be very hard for someone to be an alcohol addict without drinking alcohol.
>>153751651in healthier minds there will always, always be something to cope about. "tfw i wasn't born the opposite sex" is such a uncharming woe to get hung up on that i find it very hard to muster up the pity for it
>>153751639Except you can? Why wouldn't you be able to?
>>153751746What posts are you guys discussing?
>>153751769But in this comparison, you can't compare a study of the demographics of alcohol addicts because you also need a general control population compared to alcohol drinkers!
Anecdotal but my sister is a teacher who was originally on-board with trans stuff, and every transgender teen she's had to deal with during her career was either insufferable or eventually grew out of it and was nothing but a phase for them. Unfortunately given her position she can't say anything about it but has no issues being transphobic in private.
>>153751781well they only surveyed 256 people which is far less than the percent of transgenders in the population.
>>153751786>>153750893
>>153751816This is normal for this sort of research tho. Census does it.
>>153751808Well, uh that depends on what the study is for.But yeah, You ask how many alcohol drinkers there are in the general population. You can ask how many alcohol addicts are in the alcohol drinker population. And you can ask how many alcohol addicts are in the general population.But anyways, the lisa littman study only included parents who think their trans kids have ROGD. it doesn't include parents who think trans kids dont have ROGD. and it doesn't include the parents of non-trans kids.
>>153751878>But anyways, the lisa littman study only included parents who think their trans kids have ROGD. it doesn't include parents who think trans kids dont have ROGD.ROGD didn't exist as a term befire this study.
>>153751848The sample size isn't a problem, it's what you want to use it for in this example.They specifically chose the sample it so all 256 would be trans. This means you can't do this:>>153751567>You can do that by comparing the number of trannies in the group with the overral population (0,7%) and reaching to the conclusion that its statiscally extrenelly unlikely that all these people were "born" trans.
>>153751892I know but thats what the study said:>>153751609
>>153751878That's not what you were arguing in >>153747729
>>153750778How should sampling be done then? Does bias matter?
>>153751918>They specifically chose the sample it so all 256 would be trans.Because its a study on trans people, dumbo.
>>153751878>>153751918Beautiful cognitive dissonance
>>153751878>and it doesn't include the parents of non-trans kids.Unironically, why would it?No. Seriously. What necessitates that?
>>153751963What point is different?
>>153751934Because its what happened.
Bump limit reached and not a single bit of porn of the MC posted.
>>153751736>And for the other group in the analogy. Are socially influenced transitioners the X group and transitioners the Y group?>>153751759>Y is "the general population" you faggot.So>socially influenced transitioners are the X group and general population are the Y groupPlugging that into your statement:>"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." we get:>"Most socially influenced transitioners are part of the general population" does not mean "all of the general population are socially influenced transitioners." That first part just seems like a tautology. It's definitely true, but what's the point here?
>>153752016some things are best not touched even with 10-foot pens
>>153752016is there any though?
>>153752016I don't think we need to see that today.
>>153751981What are you talking about?
>>153752032>That first part just seems like a tautology. It's definitely true, but what's the point here?The point is you keep taking the first statement as grounds to ask for the second. See >>153751996It's such an obvious point that was explained to you in several ways that it should not have taken you this long to get to it.
>>153751980>Because its a study on trans people, dumbo.The point is that you can't compare it to the 0.7% figure to determine if they were born trans because you intentionally chose 100% trans.
>>153751996>>153752079 How does >"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." relate to control groups though?
>>153752120>Avoids the question entirelyI accept your concession, groomer.
>>153752138>groomerNo. You worship a retarded orange who like to rape kids.Just answer the fucking question. How does >"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X." mean you don't need a control group Or that you dont need an unbiased sample when making a survey?It's a total non-sequitur.
>>153752090>The point is that you can't compare it to the 0.7% figure to determine if they were born trans because you intentionally chose 100% transOne thing has nothing to do.with the other.
>>153752220OK, could you clarify and rephrase what you mean here then:>>153751567>You can do that by comparing the number of trannies in the group with the overral population (0,7%) and reaching to the conclusion that its statiscally extrenelly unlikely that all these people were "born" trans.What would that process look like?
>>153749776I don't believe you're being sincere, but if you really don't notice, it's because you've accepted the normalization of trannies. Affirmations are just taken for granted and contradictions get noticed. The difference is that this shit is so common I actually notice when something made in the past five years isn't following the script on normalization.
>>153751996>Unironically, why would it?>No. Seriously. What necessitates that?Well, It depends on what you are trying to do.If you are trying to prove that social influence makes people trans. You probably need to determine what percent of the population who is exposed to the influence becomes transgender (and you also need to show cause and effect).If you want to study if playing warhammer is the cause of autism, you can't just sample warhammer players who are already autistic. You'd want to compare it to a broader sample of warhammer players and autistic people in general.
TOO MUCH TALKING NOT ENOUGH DRAWINGS KID
>>153747984>>>Yeah well that doesn't count that's just cherry picking because you need a complete study of the general population of alcohol consumers to prove that alcohol consumption directly leads to alcohol addiction and you can't prove this therefore you can't prove that us alcoholics are addicts!This is literally the truth though.The research that showed tobacco use caused cancer didn't just study tobacco users who already had cancer. They also studied tobacco users in general.
>>153752386And also (lung) cancer havers in general
>>153752199>You worship a retarded orange who like to rape kids.Weird projection since Epstein funded the trans movement and hates Trump.>How does>>"Most X are Y" does not mean "all Y are X.">mean you don't need a control groupAnswer >>153751996. Seriously. You keep introducing his point.
>>153752293That's a lot of babbling for such a nonanswer.>If you want to study if playing warhammer isNobody is talking about warhammer. Stop schizoing these off-topic tangents
>>153752427>Answer >>153751996. Seriously. You keep introducing his point.already answered.>>153752427the trans movement existed before epstein. and he was best friends with trump.>>>/news/1515498
>>153752445What's the issue with the response?It's hard to determine the cause of something unless you isolate variables.>Nobody is talking about warhammer. Stop schizoing these off-topic tangentsIt's called an analogy.
>>153752386This isn't that kind of study. This is a study of trans demographics. You're trying to invalidate it because it's not surveying about trans demographics.It's like asking "how have changed in tobacco prices affect smokers" and being upset because nonsmokers aren't included, but that's entirely irrelevant to the scope of the research.If this thread weren't on page 10 I'd type "I can't wait for you to spend three hours pretending to not understanding such a simple idea while hoping to win by attrition and annoying everyone else out."
>>153752499>This isn't that kind of study. This is a study of trans demographics. You're trying to invalidate it because it's not surveying about trans demographicsDo you mean it isn't a study about demographics? What are you bringing up the study for then?
>>153752451>2009>"A woman accused"That story was fake.
>>153752527>>>/pol/
>>153752517>>153752483Are you ESL or just a bot?
>>153752538>>>reddit.com/egg-irl
>>153752564the point is make a new thread on there if you want to argue about epstein and trump.>>153752542Neither. Now, Answer the question.
>>153752576>the point is make a new thread on there if you want to argue about epstein and trump>>153752199>No. You worship a retarded orange who like to rape kids.Typical tranny hypocrisy.
>>153752499Even if you just want to prove ROGD exists (rather than how common it is), it's a bad study because like She said, it only surveyed parent who thought their kids had rogd.that's a pre-existing bias in her sample which the journal explicitly acknowledged.You'd want to survey other (parents with) trans kids to determine if the symptoms present in parents who aren't part of those websites on any meaniingful scale.
>>153752576I already answered it you groomer. >>153752499 Answer my question, faggot. If you're surveying trans demographics, then what relevance does "parents of non-trans kids" have?
>>153752592You keep flinging insults (like here >>153752622), so I casually flung one back. If you'd like to actually discuss that idea, make a new thread.
>>153752621Now we're back at "what cultist is going to report on their kids?"Admit that the issue isn't bias. Admit the issue is bias against (you).
