/hyw/ - How's your webcomic?Forgotten Edition
>>153751007Still working on it. I could really use a creative partner who's good at illustration. I'm much more of a writer.
I recycled a prototype I drew eons ago. https://fantasyjank.cfw.me/It'll be shorter than the original but easier to read.t. usually draws rabbits
>>153751090What's the story about?
Place your bets on seeing a new decent webcomic in this thread or the same exact boring shit no wants to read that's spammed in every single promote your self topic on 4chan
>>153751858Dark speculative fantasy set in a world where humanity lives in constant motion ahead of a mysterious force that gradually consumes reality itself. Civilization survives as a vast moving chain of cultures, cities, and caravans stretched across the horizon, forced into uneasy cooperation by the threat behind them. Memory, identity, history, and even physical objects are fragile, leading societies to develop strange systems of preservation, ritualized knowledge, and dangerous forms of conceptual manipulation. The story follows scouts and survivors navigating political tension, existential horror, and deeply personal struggles as they confront both the collapsing world around them and the question of what gives human life meaning when even reality can forget you.I watched my grandpa succumb to Alzheimers and was inspired to pursue this concept. The magic system arose naturally from the concept. I've got books 1 and 2 written, and the 3rd in progress, which will close out the intro arc and send the main characters off on their adventure.
>>153751090EVERYBODY thinks they're a good writer. It's easy to come up with ideas, but the hard part is actually creating the drawings. No illustrator worth their salt is gonna partner with someone who doesn't provide more than ideas.
>>153751090Grind and become that partner
>>153752305Plenty of writer/illustrator relationships exist in the comic world, ding dong.
For the first time in my life, I'm going to finish a project I've started, it's a great feeling
>>153753258Anything to share?
>>153754293Not yet
>>153752060It sounds like it could be interesting but like others have said ideas are the easy part. If you're serious about finding collaborators then consider how to demonstrate to people that you aren't yet another flaky idea guy. Do you have any parts from what you've already written that you can use as a showcase? Do you have a scripted scene showing the characters and/or some aspect of the setting that could get people interested? I'd suggest making something like a pitch packet (without any art or using placeholder art) as a starting point.
>>153753131>Plenty of writer/illustrator relationships exist in the comic world, ding dong.Yeah, but that's usually because the writer has previous successes under his belt, so he's bringing an audience, not just ideas. But sure, there are a few artists out there who don't know their worth.
>>153754431I have 2 graphic novels worth of material fully completed, scripted, with panels prescribed and defined. Some of the tighter scenes make for very interesting hooks. I'll drop one or two into a pitch package. Thanks for the advice, anon.
>>153754499>Brian Michael Bendis & Michael Avon Oeming — Powers (Bendis was early-career).>Robert Kirkman & Cory Walker — Invincible (Kirkman was an unknown indie writer).>Ed Brubaker & Sean Phillips — early crime collaborations (Brubaker rose from relative obscurity).>Mark Waid & Mike Wieringo — Waid’s early mainstream collaborations before he became a marquee name.>Garth Ennis & Steve Dillon — when Ennis transitioned from UK small-press work to broader recognition.>Jim Starlin & various artists — Starlin’s early cosmic Marvel work began while he was just breaking in.>Dwayne McDuffie & various artists — early mainstream break came from collaborations (was not a widely known mainstream writer).>Kurt Busiek & Alex Ross — Marvels began when Busiek was still establishing himself.>Frank Miller & Klaus Janson/Ron Wagner — Miller was early-career on Daredevil (not yet a major-name writer).>Grant Morrison & early-career artists (e.g., early UK pairings) — Morrison began in UK comics before becoming broadly known.>Erik Larsen & collaborators on early Savage Dragon (Larsen worked with emerging writers/artists).>Tsugumi Ohba & Takeshi Obata — Death Note (Ohba debuted under a pen name with no prior audience in comics).>Hajime Isayama — Attack on Titan (Isayama was an unknown mangaka when it launched).Stop trying to demoralize others just because you, yourself are demoralized. Faggot behavior.
>>153754770To add on, I also have a document detailing character descriptions, backstories, and basic visual designs as well as descriptions of all major factions, their cultural inspirations and their marks and design features. I'll refine that so it's pitch-ready.
>>153754770Here's a template I found. It might be good to aim for filling out this template as practice. Even if you aren't shopping it around to publishers making a pitch packet would be a good way to force yourself to figure out how to show people your idea has substance in a clear way.>https://www.creatorresource.com/pitching-your-comic-book-pitch-outline-template/
>>153754950You're the man. Thanks for being a real one.
At what point does my 20+ page google doc of rambling bullshit coalesce into a coherent story?
>>153755009When your characters are interesting.
>>153754950If you're still ITT, I've really appreciated your feedback, and I don't want to impose too much on the good faith you've shown, but do you have a throwaway proton email or something I can reach you at? I'd like to show you more of the project than I'm willing to describe on here. No obligation, of course. This is 4chan.
On and off. I like it irregular.
Everyone that reads my webcomic says they want me to make more but no one ever comments or likes or shares.Really polarizing.
>>153755563Do you ask them to? Some people need to be reminded.
Began a new story for it: A machine stomped over the rubble, its face plates shorn off to reveal the red and white layers. I huddled beneath the remaining stones of a wall, rifle in hand. My gun shot dissolving goo but I wouldn’t dare fire it into the “weak point” of my enemy, lest the whole area be infested by red nanoveins as it cackled and screamed. I am 17. I have never known anything but war.And yet it wears at me… my emotions tremble as if seeking reactions only civilians would know. I’ve seen civilian life in books, and they were burnt 5 miles away. I peer through every angle in the exposed supports and foundations, hoping there’s an ally soldier nearby.Its spear feet stomp nearby creating spider cracks, narrowing into a single point. I remember investigating how they keep their weapons and parts so sharp, and even ones without nanomachines congregated together for a “bath” to be what they considered optimal. The mad grin was right beside me, but the rolling eye looked in the distance. I stopped breathing. It had no sensors… just wait.It rocked back from a rocket hit, screaming. Its legs in crab configuration stabbed everywhere, the ruins, the ground. I broke and ran, screaming myself, and I switched to assault fire, clanging apart the fuel line threading back and forth in a joint. That leg became disabled, but the monster robot only got angrier and more erratic.
>>153755779With so many creators spamming "DON'T FORGET TO LIKE FAVORITE AND SUBSCRIBE" at every opportunity I can't imagine it isn't just instinct at this point.
>>153755874Do it.
>>153755796>dissolving gooTry a different word here.>I’ve seen civilian life in books, and they were burnt 5 miles away.Figure a way to show this instead of telling.>screaming myselfCut "myself"Overall really good. You should pursue this.
>>153755874You don't have a choice. Closed mouths don't get fed.
>>153755796>My gunOn reread, if this isn't a regular gun, it could benefit from an in-universe name. What is this type of gun called?
>>153755881>>153755909Perhaps I give people too much credit.I sometimes think I subconsciously want to remain unknown.
>>153756003You're telling me, man. I'm this anon >>153752060I intentionally removed the specificity from what is a really good concept because I only have 2/3 books from my first full arc completed and I don't want just anyone looking up what I have while it's in-pro. It's nerve-wracking putting yourself out there.
>>153756114We're trained to be cold and hard on the internet, and making art is making yourself vulnerable. I only recently came back to 4chan a few days ago after nearly a decade, but my main webcomic started here in a way.
>>153756258I need to get off of here. I mostly lurk for shit related to comic creation and publication, but threads like these come rarely and are widely ignored. This might be the wrong place to be. Anywhere else you know of that might be more productive?
>>153756413When I started my comic, I was on Tumblr, and then the porn ban nuked the userbase. Then I moved to Twitter, and Elon fucked it up. I post my shit on Comicfury as a home port, but honestly I have no idea where to get exposure. Every website that attempts to become le new tumblr ends up being a shitshow that no one visits. Bluesky seemed promising, but people will still regularly post to their twitter, only now with their handle being their Bluesky link, which tells me they're just juggling it along with the dozen other tumblr-catchers.Of all the unlikely websites to give me any sort of attention, Deviantart.In 2026, Deviantart is somehow the website where I get the most activity. Every now and then I spot a hyper-fixation account, so that's a bonus. Otherwise, the Jelloapocalypse video was right all along.
>>153756413Depends on what you mean, specifically. Like as in looking for artists to collab with, looking for people to critique your work, or what? /hyw/ is mainly for complaining about stories you'll never get off the ground while ignoring almost anybody posting their work because you don't want to start drama by accidentally offending their ego.
>>153755494>Thai cuisine
>>153756570Artists to collaborate with would be one, though I've been using artstation for that. Mainly I need a place where the comic and its supporting materials can live and grow. Most comic sites are just for finished or ready-to-publish comics I'd like to find one that does that as well as additional materials like character profiles drafts, etc.
>>153756682Like anon said, ComicFury is pretty great for that. Not for marketing but for actually hosting the thing. It's essentially a mini-website for your comic so check it out and see what you think.
>>153756941Comicfury is leagues better than webtoon. You have equal exposure rather than having the webcomic everyone already knows shoved in your face. Also they don't make you format your pages into a certain resolution.Plus you get to make your own url for the webcomic.things like http:// [comic title] .the-comic.orgor [comictitle] .cfw .me
https://youtu.be/7smgxb5KzqM?si=rxivuJwPFhzn-MIlThread theme.
>Swords guy passed 1000 episodes and his Star Trek series is on episode 200+Meanwhile I'm still trying to work out the script for the first 100 pages...
>>153756941>>153757026Huge. Thanks gents. I really didn't want to do webtoon.
can someone PLEASE guide my retard ass step by step into how to make perfectly aligned and spaced out panels like this chart?
>>153757026>>153757332Yeah the main reason I didn't go tapas or webtoon was the lower resolution images
>>153757520Open up a grid on whatever art program you use and use the rectangle tool
>>153757584THANK YOU VERY MUCH
These threads might be the only worthwhile conversations on this entire board.
>>153757681Np, godspeed
>>153757554I wanted to upload a daily comic I was doing to webtoon and it fucked with my silly outer-panel stylization. Comicfury all the way.
>>153757286More power to him to stick with a concept for 1000 pages.>>153757821This thread has been pretty civil.
>>153758029For now. He hasn't discovered this thread yet
>>153757821They are when the regulars aren't here.
>>153757286>Swords guy passed 1000 episodesToo bad 90% of them are so boringly bland. I've seen tons of them and I can count the number of times they've made me smirk on one hand. Props to him for sticking with the concept for so many pages, but it's mind-boggling that he never got any better at actually being funny.
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>>153756529I came onto Twitter way after Elon took it over and was wondering what all the fuss was about. What exactly did Elon do on Twitter, I never understood that. I only ever saw terminally online sjw types run for Blusky as a form of protest and to post more extreme porn.
>>153758268Gag-a-day comics are usually just like a slot machine. You're gonna get tons of misses but when you get a hit? That's the thing that could bring you to viral success. It's quantity over quality. They don't have to be funny, they just need to keep it existing so you don't forget it's around.
>>153758420In general, it's not good to see the platform you're using get bashed for something as trivial as the owner being an idiot. People act like twitter is Elon's platform, but just like every platform, the community is what decides the climate. One could argue that someone fickle enough to migrate over something like this is not someone you need on your platform in the first place, but the more the merrier. Outside of renaming twitter to X, he hasn't actually done anything noticeable. People still act retarded on twitter, and post the same shit that the did before.
>>153758420>They don't have to be funnyBut they DO, and he's clearly trying with these. Nobody draws a "gag-a-day" comic and intentionally makes them unfunny. If you make 1000+ comics and only 10 of them make anyone laugh, the only thing you're building is a reputation for being "that one unfunny comic".I'm just saying, after THIS long, I'd expect him to have settled into humor a bit more. It's like watching a blacksmith make 1000 daggers and all of them are shit, but he goes "Nah, man, it's the quantity!". It just results in a blacksmith with a reputation for shitty work.
>>153758625Fuck, meant for>>153758489
>>153754864>Giving people hope like this.Good use of AI.
>>153758625There is a pressure to post in order to maintain momentum. On r/comic a few years ago there was this page-a-day called Ellie Hates Everything or something and it got lots of hate for looking like shit and having a boring story, but even if it was shitty, I still seem to remember it.
>>153758625Im another one of these threads someone said, "Practice makes permanent" and it's true. If you're not actively trying to get better, you're just ingraining the mistakes.
>>153758513>he hasn't actually done anything noticeable. People still act retarded on twitter, and post the same shit that the did before.That's what I never understood. Because all I kept hearing about is Twitter went to shit when Elon took over, but no one can point anything out other than personal attacks about how Elon is an idiot. And the only change was the name to X, and apparently de-throttling and shadow-banning or something and then gutting the bots, but I never kept too close of an ear to Twitter before the Elon buyout since I figured it was just for terminally online types. Until I realized a LOT of artists were on Twitter/X (I'm a draw-fag myself). I then made an account for BlueSky since some NSFW artists who were terminally online that I liked raged and went there. And I only found a bunch of more terminally online types, huge swaths of porn artists and porn addicts and nothing else. Twitter/X at least has a larger mix of people, and artists too and doesn't have the terminally online types on BlueSky who just dance to the jig of "This is the non-Elon Twitter clone safe space".But I agree, the community and content creators make the website, not the owner, unless the owner fumbles the bag, like the owner of Tumblr did.
>>153758778Any negativity you've heard is likely backlash from the Trumlon bromance from back then. Elon's public image has been a rollercoaster since the 2010s, and now that we're down the hill, he's almost a hasbeen. Calling it X was retarded just because of the brand recognition that twitter had, but people still use it. You'll notice that the vocal minority of anything is always the group you want to associate with the least.
>>153758877>You'll notice that the vocal minority of anything is always the group you want to associate with the least.Mmm... yes, very wise.
>>153758748But it probably wasn't the comic itself that made it stick with you; it's the fact that there was lots of drama and hateposting around it. I remember it too, but if you asked me what the comic was actually about, I wouldn't be able to tell you. All I remember is that people fucking hated how every comic had dramatic zoom-ins, gaping mouths, front-facing ears and overplayed "misunderstanding" tropes. It was the hate around it that made it stand out. I'm sure people would remember the comic for the storyline/humor if it actually had good writing.>>153758778I have a Twitter account that I use to follow NSFW accounts, and after Elon took over, a whole bunch of shitty changes took place: NSFW accounts got deboosted to show up less on the "For You" page (even if you're actively following them), that fiasco about all uploaded images having a "Edit this with AI!" button attached to them, and how Blocked accounts can still go to your profile and read all your posts (there's talk that this change was made because people were mass-blocking Elon and he wanted to still be able to see their content)
>>153758625>the only thing you're building is a reputation for being "that one unfunny comic".This 100%. Every time I see the sword guys artstyle on r/comics, I rarely ever click it anymore because it's never worth the read.
>>153758987>it's the fact that there was lots of drama and hateposting around itThat is fair.A bit like pizzacake, who appears to have leaned into the hate and now makes comics about being a hated comic artist.Anons, though I have not namedropped myself, I give you permission to tear me to shreds if I ever make it and start making comics about "FUCK DA HATERZS"
>>153751007just fine. moving slowly because i’m focusing my energy on the real world. i shall not post them, because i only draw fancomics, and fancomics are niche and gay.
My Adria comic is going to have porn and gore in it.
>>153758877>Elon's public image has been a rollercoaster since the 2010sIt's ironic, since the left used to love the shit outta Elon for his "green" electric vehicle push. And then for his aspirations for Mars colonization and privatizing space programs, and then they turned on him hard because of TDS, but I digress, since I don't wanna get too non-/co/ related /pol/.>>153758987See these excuses are better. Especially the AI shit. But my Twitter/X "For You" is still nothing but porn artists, lol.>>153759309Link it.
>>153759344Okay, I will link it when it's done.
>>153759106>who appears to have leaned into the hateSeriously, I can't fucking stand seeing her art anymore. It's always just>Look at this IDIOT! Aren't they UGLY and STUPID? I'm the only sensible one!
>>153758778As someone who posted art on twitter for a while, the only change I felt was getting more pornbots following my account.
>>153759463I've seen some of the bigger art accounts I follow (200k+ followers) make posts that end up only getting like 20k views because so many undisclosed factors can trigger the algorithm to hide your post from the masses.
>>153758268Have you read his other comic Stars? It's got some of the same problems, but with a smaller cast and a more open-ended premise, it has a lot more going for it. I love Star Trek and Farscape though, so it was always going to appeal to me more than Dungeons & Dragons.
>>153759409It's really insensitive that she's drawing Jerma as the strawman within a strawman comic.
>>153759596Eh, it was mostly the same for me. Most of the writing is just meant to make you go "Oh, I get it" and move on.>Where'd the crystals go?>There they are>Oh, he's lying about stealing them>The end
>>153759783What the fuck is going on with his neck?
>>153759783Whoops, meant to post this one. But even that comic is the same deal>The alien speaks an unknown language>He doesn't understand>The alien is trying again>He still doesn't understand>The end
>>153758420A lot of shit happened. He turned blue checks into a pay to win system rather than something earned through credibility or fame which has only gotten more lopsided. Constant changes to the algorithm to prioritize dumbfuck richie rich politics punditry he's into so even if you made efforts to curate your feed somehow some ragebait politics garbage or something he posted would make its way to your eyes. He implemented the publicly visible views metric to make the place seem more active but it really ended up showing how much of a manipulation trick it is (you often see shit with hundreds of thousands of views yet barely any likes, comments, retweets). Bots and scammers have gotten way worse under his watch so even those comments and likes are suspect. The Grok AI integration also was him and for a while people were using it to undress people in photos in the replies before he had to restrict that feature. I think I recall he also throttled outbound links so posts linking offsite end up getting suppressed. There's also some annoying small shit like requiring you to be logged in to see most posts on Twitter and fucking up what you see if you don't have an account (which you can get around if you use nitter/xcancel). There's probably a lot of other stuff I'm missing but you get the idea.
>>153759569Oof
>>153759811Not enough>Bean gets a raygun>Bean gets a red shirt>Bean ....
>>153755563This happens a lot and not just for comics. People are lazy. Feels like people had more attention and time to lend twenty years ago since you could find comments on nearly everything even if they were saying absolutely nothing of substance.
Elf comic still going strong
>>153760329Isn’t that great
What webcomics are you guys reading? I feel guilty trying to make one while not following any
>>153751007Newest page
>>153760511Next page wip>>153760425Just old manga on pirate sites honestly.
>>153760425I'm mostly reading a mix of indie books from publishers and some ones I bought off kickstarter campaigns.
>>153760311People did have more attention because they didn't have a time and attention black hole in their pockets at all times.>>153760425I'm about to read Cat Girl again since apparently it rebooted, but I don't read or play games as much as I used to since starting on my webcomic. You shouldn't feel bad, there's no waste if you spent that time creating.
>>153760543>sitesIf you're on android, use Mihon.
>>153757286>>153759409>>153759783>>153759811Why does everyone use this boring 4 x 4 kona page format? Merrivius always uses it too. That's why I used it for coffee cat.
>>153760511>>153760543You should play a mobile game called Cells to Singularity and try their Space Mode. I learned of so many dwarf planets in our solar system, about the actual scale of the solar system, where the heliopause is, and a shitload of other things. Worth checking out if you're a space nerd.
>>153760750Easy setup-payoff ratio. It's low effort, but when you're doing a gag-a-day it's understandable.
>>153760750Damn I miss seeing Coffee Cat in HYW
>>153760750It thumbnails easily. Even in this thumbnail I get an idea of what's going on.
>>153760511>>153760543Your art is really good. The writing style isn't quite for me. It seems very shonen anime-y, the way the character is going from 0 to 100, and the other is uncomfortably reacting. I'm not saying people won't like it, but I'd say I've seen it a billion times and it's definitely not for me. From a writing standpoint, I'd say don't be afraid to do something new, don't feel like you have to take it in directions you think people will like because you've seen them like similar things. Be sincere about your work and try to avoid being derivative.
>>153760750If you think it's boring stop using it.
>>153760511kek>>153760543nice detail on the desert backgrounds, and the gila monster too. Real cool you draw these out on paper and scan them too.
>>153759344>It's ironic, since the left used to love the shit outta Elon for his "green" electric vehicle push. And then for his aspirations for Mars colonization and privatizing space programsIt's really fun to bring this up in leftist circles and watch them go, "I NEVER liked him!" It's actually astonishing how consistent it is.
>>153759344>>153761096He was the hero of reddit. They used to call him IRL Tony Stark. Now they pretend they always hated him.
>>153761119Oh, I 'member.
>>153760844I could do more of those . they are easy as shit. I usually have a very easy project I can pump out on the side. coffee cat makes cameo appearances here and there though.like here<----
heres the nsfw version of this >>153761271, I was going to put it on my patreon but I was having trouble with the setup. and I have no audience .hehe
ALSO heres the latest comic page I'm underway with
A good thread, the same day I finished thumbnailing a short new comic? Zounds! It's a good omen!>>153760425I started reading Evan Dahm's 3rd Voice, but it's been a minute since I picked it back up.>>153760543Nice, very nice intense detail on the ground.
>>153760750Literally one of the big reasons I enjoy that NSFW nurse artist who does 6-panel comics. I just miss when comics had more meat to them than an immediate setup/delivery.
>>153762069>more meat to themI'll say>>153760511Damn bro, this art is great. The font is a little hard on the eyes though.
>>153759409Her nudes are disgusting
>>153763430Well she's a disgusting person.
>>153763430How would you know? Did you see them somewhere?
>>153763777>She did onlyfans>Her nudes are still online>Made cuck porn of her husband>Her children most likely knowwIdk, you tell us anon
>>153763777She has an onlyfans and it's nasty, not in a good way. Trust me-you will be better off not looking up the leaks.
>>153763862>>153763904I set you up for a slam dunk you dunces
>>153754864I'm not demoralised. I can actually draw, and I'm trying to tell artists to have some self-respect instead of subordinating themselves to useless idea guys.
Latest update of Domestic HellLand is up.
>>153763959Explain?
>>153751007did an entire arc about universal studios in my comic(here's the link: https://tapas.io/series/Life-in-the-Third-Lane/info)
>>153764851Well, when you die unsung, at least you'll have your self-respect. You can also have this!>Doesn't play nice with others award: 2026Cooperation is what makes people successful 99.999% of the time.
>>153765320Link to more?
>>153767348DH lives here:>https://domestichellland.cfw.me/Attached image is page 3 of chapter 6. I promise that this chapter isn't going to entirely take place in a hotel room like chapter 5 did.
>>153767210The words of a parasite.
TWH and PaZ are currently on hiatus since CRAB season is about to start and I need to lock in. I am however open to some comic related questions if you're all interested~https://poppyandzipper.thecomicseries.com/https://thewildhaunt.thecomicseries.com/
>>153759841>He turned blue checks into a pay to win system rather than something earned through credibility or fame which has only gotten more lopsided.Let's be honest, the existing checkmark system was worthless.
>>153763959You're dealing with some next- level retards, to be fair
>>153751007I've completed 21 pages. It's on paper so I have to scan them in.The art is kind of bad but I admit I am an amateur, the story is fantasy series were it begins with the hero killing the Dark Lord and how he and his people deal with the aftermath.I think it's alright but I think it's a bit too wordy and not as interesting as it could be. I think I need a better hook like this anon>>153752060.It is an ongoing series with a page a week so it's possible I could steer it in a different direction if I wanted.
>>153767594I like it. You've been at it for 4 years and it started out pretty good already. How would you say you're feeling about everything at this point? Getting the recognition you feel you should be? Been able to monetize it to devote more time? How long a day would you say you work on it?
>>153768094"Unexpected aftermath of the Dark Lord's fall" can be interesting. It's one of those premises you stop and realize moments later has intrigue.>but I think it's a bit too wordy and not as interesting as it could be.Tip: Pick up a short read like the Elements of Style. A lot of the guidelines within are aimed at trimming down individual sentences. Also, if you want to test how natural your dialogue is, say it out loud and gauge how natural it feels to repeat.
Thumbnails. Most of the winter was spent writing, and I have about 6 solid chapters. Transfering my scripts to page is about a 4:1 ratio. So 70 pages for 6 chapters is going to be a monumental 200+ page affair. Hoping to start drawing pages within the next week or two. I want to buy a site to host it all
>>153768412It's still early days so there's still room for improvement.I'll also take a look at 'the Elements of Style'
Hey, you know what? Fuck you, that’s what. Stupid faggot.
>>153768125>How would you say you're feeling about everything at this point?I wish I worked faster and had more pages done... I'm only 6 chapters in, I intentionally increased my work pace to try to speed up the process of getting further along in the story. There's some jokes and characters I want to get to lol.>Getting the recognition you feel you should be?It's another comic on the internet. I have my pipe dreams and wishes for it, but like most webcomics it is highly unlikely that it'll be as successful as I'd like it to be. Many such cases, and there's nothing wrong with that. It's mine, I made it. It's not for everyone but it's mine. There's some very supportive and enthusiastic people that do read and like the comic, which is the most I can ask for and am very grateful. Sacha Baron Cohen-sama, please read my comic and play Jacques in an adaption... :'<>Been able to monetize it to devote more time?No, I'm fine with that, I prefer having a day job because it makes a consistent and regular routine in my life. Monetizing this comic isn't viable, I don't typically update consistently. The subject matter of it isn't really for mainstream audiences. I'm not really making anything that incentivizes monetary support and the cast is currently 2 regular characters (3 if you count the car as a character, which I do lol, it's drawn pretty rough but I am getting better at drawing her).
Haven't touched it in a while due to some hang ups which includes being dissatisfied with the characters and how I wrote the first 8 chapters but i'm hopefully gonna hop back on the wagon soon and start from the beginning to make things less drawn out
>>153768900I really admire your attitude. Do you think there's anything you can do to increase your consistency and output level? That's what audiences want first and foremost. Also, have you started a patreon or some way to get fan support? As said earlier ITT, closed mouths don't get fed.
>>153763904I should've listened...
>>153767210>Noooo you have to draw for me! My ideas are amazing! Million dollar ideas! Just draw everything and do all the actual work while I tell you what to doooo!
>>153769247>NOO, DON'T REPLACE ME WITH AI, THATS NOT REAL ART! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
>>153769275>Hey ChatGPT, come up with a story about a man fighting to survive a zombie apocalypse with his cat. Make it have a bittersweet ending and use the writing style of Stephen King.Learn to draw, idea guy.
>>153769247Lmao. This is a retarded opinion. You can either work 8 hour days doing 50% of the creative work and visualize the written concepts while someone else worries about characters, consistency, worldbuilding, plot, and character development and get 50% of the money, or you can work 16 hour days trying to be both a great writer and a great artist and get 100% of the money. Or you can work 8 hour days, being a hack on both fronts and make nothing while the guy you could've partnered with finds someone who understands his creative vision and wants to make money. Or, like this anon said >>153769275, replaces artfags entirely with AI. At least you have your self-respect, anon, you call no man your partner. That's gotta be worth a nickel in your tin cup.
>>153769352>I'll prove that both of our skillets are obsolete! That will truly assert artists' superiority over writers!Anon, what are we even fighting about if we're both equally replaceable?
>>153769247>>153764851Anons, I'd like everyone to check out these anons for a second. There have always been comic artists with no respect for writers, viewing art as the only value-add step in creating a comic. Don't be like these people, both writing and art are needed to function well in this medium. If you're a phenomenal artist, but a shit writer, your stories will go nowhere, or worse they'll be clunky, uncomfortable, and turn readers away. If you're a good writer but a shit artist, many readers will endure your artsyle to continue the story, but you'd be better served writing a novel. Partnerships are extremely valuable in this industry, and don't let antisocial retards with an axe to grind about "idea guys" convince you otherwise.
>>153769365It's not about having no partner, it's about how "I wish I had an illustrator to draw all my ideas for me" is extremely wishful thinking. Everyone has ideas that they believe is gonna be the next Lord of the Rings or Stormlight Archive. Putting those ideas to the pen and actually drawing up the characters, scenes, action, etc, is the REAL hard part. You don't even have to learn to draw GOOD — like ONE, the original artist behind One Punch Man. He drew shitty napkin scribbles for ages, but he used it as a vehicle to showcase his storytelling and comedy writing, to give an idea of what he was conceptualizing, which led to him teaming up with Murata and getting his series redrawn by an actual artist.In a room of 100 idea guys and 1 artist, who is the artist gonna go with? The ones screaming, "My idea is SO GOOD, bro, trust me" or the ones who have either something to showcase or a past record of successful written works?
>>153769496You're the one who dragged AI into this for some reason, anon. Scroll up.>"I wish I had an illustrator to draw my ideas for me">You have to be able to showcase your ideas are actually good if you want an artist to invest in you>"No, here's some examples of artists who took a chance on a nobody!">Most artists aren't gonna do that>"Then die unsung! Get replaced with AI!"???
How is site hosting nowadays? I can't seem to choose between hosting my own site or posting in an already established one.I'm not monetizing because I don't want to get raped by Nintendo
>>153760511>The Dominion of Uranus
>>153769747Comicfury is dope
>>153769602To put what you're saying in a business perspective, what you're asking for is a greatly decreased bargaining position as an artist. An artist who gets in on the ground floor has a greater claim to 50% ownership in a collaboration agreement, and therefore more creative control and backend potential. An artist who demands the writer only dare approach him when that main creator has fully fleshed out and visualized all of the creative works is best served asking for a salary, and maybe, maybe 20% to 25% ownership stake. They're a participant at that point, less a creative partner. Maybe that's fine for you, but a lot of artists don't want that and their pride of feeling like the superior creative talent is not worth the economic tradeoff.
>>153769602I was going to say "Well, in a room of 100 artists and 1 idea guy, who's the idea guy going to go with?" but the answer is obviously that he'd pick the person with the artstyle that vibes best with his ideas, so I think I get what you're saying, in the sense that art is the more "visible" of the two. Even if you have a good idea, it's useless if you can't do anything to show it.
>>153769602>>153769352>>153764851>Idea guy>Idea guy>Idea guyI think your hangup might be not understanding what Idea guy means, anon. An idea guy has ideas, never does anything with them, moves on, and has more ideas. Often they'll try to sell their ideas to someone which goes nowhere and wastes that person's time, leaving them annoyed. An idea guy stops being an idea guy when they demonstrate consistency surrounding the concept their working with and flashes it out to the point that it is viable. That's a writer. The two terms are not interchangeable, but you seem to have them conflated with one another. Might want to ask yourself why you're doing that, because it's making you look stupid.
>>153769952What on earth are you talking about? By that logic, what's stopping an established artist from being the one demanding the 80% cut? After all, the writer didn't "get in on the ground floor" while the artist was still learning to draw, so the writer shouldn't receive full benefit from their fleshed-out artstyle now.
>>153769602>In a room of 100 idea guys and 1 artist, who is the artist gonna go with?The artist might consider talking to the idea guys and finding if their ideas are something he wants to draw. If he's just looking for the one who's already drawing his own work, that guy is going to say, "Why do I need you, art guy?"
>>153770043>By that logic, what's stopping an established artist from being the one demanding the 80% cut?Nothing. If I don't have any published works and someone like Jim Lee says, "I'll do it for 80% and creative control" I'd probably do it.
>>153770043>What on earth are you talking about?Basic deal-making economics.
>>153770121And if you DID have published works and a track record of successful writing, you and Jim Lee would probably go with the 50% split, since in this hypothetical, you're both experienced and accomplished creatives. So what point were you even trying to make?
>>153770332>since in this hypothetical, you're both experienced and accomplished creativesNo, we're not. In this hypothetical the roles are reversed from this hypothetical. >>153769952>An artist who demands the writer only dare approach him when that main creator has fully fleshed out and visualized all of the creative works is best served asking for a salary, and maybe, maybe 20% to 25% ownership stake.In the reversed scenario, the writer is approaching the established creative and is fine accepting a 20% stake. The logical flow is clear, you're just not keeping up. Remind me why I'm arguing with you when we're not playing in the same mental league?
Posted here before but it's been a good minute so I'll ask again: is a superhero webcomic viable in such a crowded market? Art friend of mine and me teamed up to churn out a single chapter a decade ago but then life happened and it fell to the wayside. I never stopped plotting things out tho so we have a whole saga planned and ready, its just a matter of getting back into the rhythm of creation. Guess a follow up question would be how all you guys shake off the cobwebs after so many years away from your work
>>153768974>Do you think there's anything you can do to increase your consistency and output level?Short of marrying an oil sheik or some other obscenely wealthy man who could create an extremely solid foundation where I never needed to worry about anything again, not very much. I like having a job to keep my routine consistent, but I do sometimes feel envious of "big" comic artists that do comic work full time. But I also am intensely aware that the financial situation that most of them are in is very tumultuous and could become very bad very quickly if they were the sole breadwinner. Most full time comic artists I'm acquainted with have a spouse or a very supportive family that they can fall back on if they absolutely need to.I broke my pinky finger on my dominant hand after slipping on ice at work in 2024, and have had some muscle/nerve/joint pain issues since. For the past few months, I've had intense wrist pain but I've worked through it and rested when needed.I also suffer from lack of focus and lack of motivation, so I tend to find things that distract me from my work. Otherwise I try to set a goal for myself for a certain amount of comic related things to be done throughout the day or week. This week my goal is at least 4 completed pages to add to my buffer, and I already have 2 done. Working on the third right now, and thinking I might push it to more than 4 pages.>Also, have you started a patreon or some way to get fan support?I had one for my other comic, which was a colossal failure for a variety of reasons. It helped change my attitude towards patreon funded stuff. If I can't provide the media, then why would anyone want to give me money? I prefer making physical items like stickers/prints and having an actual business transaction.
>>153770597Superhuman comics will always be viable. Just avoid the pitfalls of topical writing. Anything that speaks to "the times we're living in" becomes unrelatable as soon as the times change. Speak to timeless themes and you'll never go wrong.
>>153751007Megatokyo is still in production.Think about that.
>>153770432>Remind me why I'm arguing with you when we're not playing in the same mental league?Yeah, I'd LOVE to know why I'm bothering replying to a fucking braindead baboon who can't even remember what this discussion was about. I can't imagine how absolutely shit your writing must be with an attention span this short.Just look at the chain of posts to see where this started:>Everyone thinks they have amazing ideas, so if you can't showcase that idea in any meaningful way, you can't prove to anyone that they're good and no artist would sensibly draw for you>IN A BUSINESS SENSE, YOU HAVE LESS LEVERAGE UNLESS YOU GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR! AN EXPERIENCED WRITER WOULD DEMAND 80%!>If they're both experienced, then they'd be splitting 50/50 anyway. I'm talking about showing your work as a writer if you want an artist to believe in you.>NO, IN THE REVERSE SCENARIO, THE ARTIST WOULD DEMAND 80%! I AM VERY SMART AND LOGICALI know these threads have a natural tendency to attract autists, but please actually think about what you're typing before you post.
>>153770626Well, it sounds like you're in a great spot, regardless. Keep chugging along and don't say no to opportunity when it comes along. Proud of you, anon.
>>153769365>someone who understands his creative vision and wants to make moneyLMFAO your .txt dumps are not a million dollar idea, and if you think that then you're delusional.>>153754864>>Tsugumi Ohba & Takeshi Obata — Death Note (Ohba debuted under a pen name with no prior audience in comics).Death Note got pitched to Shonen Jump. Their partnership wasn't a lasting enterprise deal until the company already decided that they wanted more, at which point it became worth Obata's time to be dedicated to.You seem to think the two just teamed up and Ohba was all "dude trust me this is going to work and after you draw 50 issues for me we'll make all the money!>>153770013NTA, but who are you? No, seriously, what have you actually written? If there's not a script laying out in front of you, right now (and I don't mean an outline or individual scenes, I mean something you can hand to an artist right now), you're an idea guy. This thread is full of them. Just goober anons with pitches some story ideas, and maybe even a concept sketch, but nothing to actually signalling the real start of production on a comic.
>>153770686>>IN A BUSINESS SENSE, YOU HAVE LESS LEVERAGE UNLESS YOU GET IN ON THE GROUND FLOOR! AN EXPERIENCED WRITER WOULD DEMAND 80%!This is true.>NO, IN THE REVERSE SCENARIO, THE ARTIST WOULD DEMAND 80%! I AM VERY SMART AND LOGICALThis is also true.>If they're both experiencedThis was a feature of the hypothetical you injected which was never a part of what I was saying. The topic of discussion included a person who, by your admission here>can't showcase that idea in any meaningful way (brings less experience to the table. See here: definitely not 50/50 in experience)Putting me in all caps doesn't make anything I said illogical. The logical break extends from your injection of the 50/50 experience split, which was never under discussion.
>>153770013No, an 'idea guy' is someone who has an outsized opinion of the merit and value of their own creative ideas and an undersized ability to meaningfully contribute to the production of work in general. I think that often they believe that they can or do provide an invaluable service to collaborative work—for instance, that their writing or creative vision alone justifies them being positioned as the leader of a team.
>>153770713>If there's not a script laying out in front of you, right now (and I don't mean an outline or individual scenes, I mean something you can hand to an artist right now), you're an idea guy.Well I mean it's a pdf on my computer, but it is right in front of me lmao.
>>153770799>creative vision alone justifies them being positioned as the leader of a team.It does. A rudderless ship helmed by oarsman who can't navigate goes nowhere. Sure, the oarsman are the ones who make the ship move, but thay doesn't make them suited for driving the ship's direction.
>>153770803So in your pdf, you have a script. You have "Page 7. Panel 1: Dinglehopper grins. Panel 2: A close-up of Dinglehopper's asshole clenching. Panel 3: Dinglehopper is grunting. DH: "Hnnng..." Panel 4: A baby head is coming out of Dinglehopper" or similar notation, not just "At some point Dinglehopper shits out a baby." That right?
>>153770789To spell it out for you, the artists ARE experienced. If someone can draw in any substantial context, then they already have experience, because it takes years of work to become decent at art.Expecting an artist to go all-in on some wacky idea you have rattling around in your empty head is foolish. A writer SHOULD be experienced if they expect an artist to believe in them, and the only way to accomplish this is to showcase your work in a meaningful way.You're literally the only person who started throwing in hypotheticals about salaries and "business sense" to complicate things for no reason. If you're looking at an artists work, they're experienced and they've put in more work than you have, because you have NOTHING to show. If you want to be a creative equal, you have to prove your worth or nobody will care for your "brilliant ideas".
>>153770849Yes. My initial draft follows the >At some point Dinglehopper shits out a baby."Setup to get the ideas out and refined, then I move to the panel-by-panel prescription in a separate document. That's industry standard as I understand it.
>>153770643>timeless themesIt's mostly character driven, I'm trying to avoid the typical superhero tropes that I feel bog down a lot of good stories like needless soap opera drama or inexplicable lack of consequence for most things (how the FUCK does Bruce Wayne have *that much money?*). Hell, we even kill off the entirety of our Justice League/Avengers stand in as the inciting incident for the story itself. It's laser focused on the protagonists and how they navigate life that happens to involve strong men punch good. Its also set roughly 70 years in the future in an alt timeline where the Space Race of the 60s actually, you know, got us all to space. Leaves me with all the room I need to play with the world building.
>>153770840Since the oarsmen are the ones doing all the heavy-lifting, you can bet they'd only hire an experienced helmsman with a track record of successful navigation. After all, why would they risk putting in all that effort for someone who might actually be a shit navigator? They need someone who can prove they've put in as much work as the oarsmen have put in to become strong rowers.
>>153770879Ok carry on.
>>153770868You mean to tell me this entire time, your argument has been based on the misbegotten belief that writers don't put their thoughts down and just "have ideas floating around in their heads"? Why didn't you read these before you got in a tizzy?>>153754770>>153754907>>153754950Writers do a lot more than "having ideas in their head" lol you really worked yourself up over nothing.
>>153770905Navigators gotta start somewhere, anon. Sometimes it's OJT.
>>153770891Good concept. Godspeed, anon. Remember to always be improving.
>>153751007I have a lot outlined but life it's kicking me in the ass so it's going to take a while.I did manage to get myself out of a knot so it's cool.
>>153770868>To spell it out for you, the artists ARE experienced. If someone can draw in any substantial context, then they already have experience, because it takes years of work to become decent at art.Do you..not see how replacing artist with "writer" is equally valid? You really just have a chip on your shoulder about art being harder because it takes longer, don't you? Bush-league stuff, anon, you're never gonna make it until you start respecting your fellow creatives.
>>153770949Then don't complain if the only oarsmen willing to work with you are brand-new oarsmen who are also starting off OTJ and aren't very good at rowing yet.
>>153771007Except that's not how it actually works. For any number of reasons, experienced artists choose to work with inexperienced writers and experienced writers choose to work with inexperienced artists. Some people can look for potential, others want more creative control, others want a protege or to give back to the industry. You never know until you put yourself out there.
>>153771002>art being harder because it takes longerDo you not understand how the fact that it takes longer to create inherently gives it more value?
>>153771066Are you trolling outside of /b/ right now, anon?
>>153771066>Marxist theory of labor valueAh... now I see I've been arguing with an idiot. I kinda suspected.
>writers vs artists>writers seething as usualAhhh... another perfect day of being both artist and writer
>>153771125Can we see your work?
>>153771091Alright, I think I understand the problem here. You, specifically, can't draw. You have some rinky-dink story in a txt file you've been throwing ideas into, but you're frustrated because none of those greedy selfish artists are willing to draw your masterpiece! They just don't have the VISION you do! Your ideas are just SOOOO good! It's literally FREE money! You deserve to be a navigator at the helm of a ship, commanding the most powerful oarsman to propel you towards wealth and fame at the grace of your mere words! But nono, it's OK, because even though they're pouring in all the time and effort of rowing, your ideas are just SO good that they should count themselves lucky to work with you!Far be it from ME to argue with one such as yourself! I sincerely hope that one day, your genius ideas can be placed into the salivating hands of Jim Lee. Good fucking luck.
>>153770597>is a superhero webcomic viable in such a crowded marketNot when the art looks like this, just being real with you
>>153770969>be improvingBeen trying that for a while now but still cant seem to get back on track with things. Artist friend has a wife and kid now and ive been dealing with depression issues for years now, but I know those only excuse so much. We both want to keep going so it's frustrating that we cant seem to get out of our own way. That and I have ideas for like three other series rolling in my head that ive more or less plotted out.
>>153770840>It doesThe level of sheer delusion in these threads continues to astound me
>>153771245>Seething this hardI'm this anon>>153770879You know how fucking long this shit takes? As long as it takes to storyboard, draw, correct, and ink.Keep malding, I guess.
>>153771279You should get a new artist. Even if you taught yourself to draw from scratch, it shouldn't take you more than 2 months to get better than this guy.
>>153771267Nta but its like >>153769602 was saying. Good storytelling can overrule shit art most of the time
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>>153771364>Good storytelling can overrule shit art most of the timeDon't tell the seething artfags ITT.
>>153771364This guy isn't ONE, his storytelling doesn't make up for the unironic chris-chan tier art.
>>153751007I honestly haven't been doing alot of comic work lately - been traveling more and just hitting the gym. I've gotta start getting new update for Tom N Artie ready cause lately I've just had the artist drawing some of the characters cause I realized how much we lacked for a few characters.Abnormal Shift is kind of in same boat, I'm just having more pics done while I try to get my drive back. https://tom-n-artie.thecomicseries.com/
dude just fork out the money for the pages and the artist won't give a fuck if the comic's run last for 10 panels or 10 000 000 years.
>>153771324>You know how fucking long this shit takes? As long as it takes to storyboard, draw, correct, and ink.This is by far the dumbest post in this entire thread. Unless you're including time spent twiddling your thumbs and going "HmmmmMMMmmm, what to write, what to write....", it doesn't take anywhere near as long, nor does it take as much work.
>>153771364>Good storytelling can overrule shit art most of the timeName 5 examples
>>153771327>>153771409>get a new artistNot an option. We've been best friends for years and he's technically co-creator for like 80% of the charactersAlso fuck you.
>>153771429NTA, but it's funny how the opposite is so much more common - I could name tons of shitty writing carried by incredible art. Artwork really does most of the heavylifting.
>>153771429Literally any comic involving John Romita Jr.
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>>153771429Jojo's Bizarre Adventure is my favorite case study for both art and writing. Started out kinda shit at both and as a ripoff of Fist of the North Star, ended up in the fucking louvre. Araki's a true anomaly.
>>153771425>picrel >>153771245This you crying, anon?
>>153771482>shitty writing carried by incredible art.Monstress is the example I always think of here
>>153771501They said SHIT art. I'm not saying JRJ is a creative genius, but he's objectively capable as an artist.
>>153771429The Walking Dead comes to mind.
>>153771468I'm trying to help you. If you want people to read this story, this art isn't going to cut it.
>>153771592???This art is really good.
>>153771598He's being defensive. This makes him completely unteachable and closed to criticism, which means his ability to improve is pretty much null. Gotta assume that goes for his creative partner, too, and they're going to continue this hobby in obscurity.
>>153771324>>153771366>>153771548Is this all the same fag or is antiartfag just making tards seethe
>>153771527>>153771422Are you a gay?
>>153771618I mean, it's not chris chan bad, but it's kinda rough, no? I know high schoolers putting out better work in this same kind of style.
>>153771685It's easily upper level pro quality. That highschooler you knew was a prodigy.
>>153771685What are you doing talking to high schoolers anon?
>>153771066Is this a common belief? Artfrens, how we feeling?
>>153771598>>153771641If our story and characters are engaging enough, it doesn't matter. This is something we want to do because we WANT to do it. If people dont want to read it for whatever reason, that's thier business. It's a labor of love we've kept lit over the years and we'll go about it however we please, thank you very much.I think I can see why these threads died off the way they did. You lot seem to have priorities a bit skewed
>>153771749Talked to one at the gym because he was wearing a Jojo's shirt. He just graduated and is gonna do some concept art work for me this summer while he gets ready for college. His work is pretty good, too. I might have him draft a couple pages.
>>153771797>It's a labor of loveAnon, how can you say you love it if you're not willing to improve it over time? You're not helping your art by pretending it's flawless. (This is the absolute best advice you will ever receive regarding creative works)
>>153771585>>153771618Don't bother trying to convince them, because people like that don't want to hear reasoning and they'll just resort to whining like >>153771324 and>>153771548The fact is, ANYONE can come up with ideas for writing. I could pull something straight out of my ass like:>A streak of lightning flashed across the sky, illuminating the silhouette of Batman perched upon the rooftop. The Penguin knew it was only a matter of time before his plans were ruined, but this mastermind had one more trick up his sleeve. Or should he say two? The hostages were in place, and even Batman could only be in one place at a time. A smirk broke across the stoic face of the caped crusader, and the Penguin winced in recoil. He couldn't... could he? Doubt flooded his mind and he gripped his cane tighter as the hooded vigilante slowly rose to his feet. "Poopoo peepee time, Penguin", growled Batman, as a thunderous rumble echoed from his gut - the result of last nights Bat Burritos finally coming to fruition...And it took me like 5 mins TOPS to shit that out. If you asked me to actually draw out all those scenes, characters, environments, etc, it would take me all week. Anyone who says writing comics takes longer than doing the art is a delusional writefag trying to gaslight artists into doing all the heavylifting for them.
>>153771641>obscurityNigga do you think anyone here is actually aiming to be the next Vivzie?
>>153771797Don't ask about gaining more readers if you're content for it to remain at the level that it is. If you want to make a comic with your buddy as a personal hobby, keep going. Don't get mad when people call out the shitty art and lettering. Don't post it here if you don't want feedback.
>>153771806Why are you picking up male highschoolers at the gym, TomnArtie anon?
>>153771866>And it took me like 5 mins TOPS to shit that out.It took you 5 minutes to plagiarize The Dark Knight and you even did so with the same IP you took the idea from. Not so easy, I guess. Keep at it, though, anon, good writing takes time.
>>153771797Not that anon, but don't worry about it. If you both genuinely enjoy doing what you do, then just keep at it.But just stay open to the mindset of "I want to get better" — Don't fall for the trap of being comfortable where you're at and settling into your mistakes. The art isn't terrible, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't somewhat amateur. However, that can naturally change over time; nobody starts off as a genius artist. As long as you both are taking the time to analyze your mistakes/weaknesses and striving to improve, you'll both be fine.
>>153771944>The art isn't terrible, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't somewhat amateur.Be real with him anon. False compliments don't help anyone.
>>153771875There's thousands of anons on this board, so probably.
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>>153771928>plagiarize The Dark KnightOk, so you're just genuinely retarded then.
>>153771991You took the two hostage thing from TDK, changed the Joker to the Penguin, and added a shit joke. If I took 5 minutes to sketch myself fucking your mom, are you gonna dismiss the merit of art?
>>153771957I'm not. As I said, the art is amateur, but it still displays some knowledge that a brand-new artist wouldn't know. The expressions do a decent job of showing what the characters are feeling, the panelwork is interesting (if noisy at times), and the characters are drawn with a basic understanding of simple anatomy and foreshortening. There's lots of room for improvement, but it's not terrible.
>>153771866Why don't you post some of your art so we can see it instead of shitting on writers?
>>153771832>>153771887>>153771957First off Im the writer, and I never claimed the art was good. That's just my art buddy draws and its what we fleshed our for the character designs. Offer some actual constructive criticism beyond "its shitty" and we'll talk.>>153771944>>153772074And yes, we acknowledge its an ongoing process. Hell, ive picked out and fixed more plot holes in my own story over the last few years than I care to admit, but I also know that's part of the creative endeavor. So yes, we'll keep trying our best and doing what we can to improve. Thank you for your feedback, anon
>>153772074I think it would look better in black and white. The amateur color job drags the line work down.
>>153772184Tell him to experiment with shading the characters and dropping the backgrounds. Understanding how lighting is working in any panel is vital.
>>153772048Yes, because if you took 5 minutes to sketch something, it would visibly look like shit and be a clear indicator of how little time and effort you put into it.You can cry about "two hostages" being an already-done concept, but everything in that excerpt was uniquely typed up by my own hands in no time at all. I could make it about anything else, like a cliche Fantasy RPG world, or Robin Hood, or Cybernetic apocalypse, or whatever the fuck. The fact is, the time it takes to type letters on a screen is nothing compared to the amount of work required to illustrate them, and until you acknowledge this and actually respect the amount of effort artwork requires, nobody will ever want to work with you.Realistically, at the very least, you could learn to storyboard to help guide the artist towards your vision. Nobody wants a freeloader "helmsman" leeching off all their hard work.
>>153772048Lmao>Ah shit, I did do that!
>>153772184>Offer some actual constructive criticism beyond "its shitty" and we'll talk.>Too many panels per page>too many words crammed in speech bubbles per panel>same boring shots used over and over again >zero understanding of color theory>use of blur and other digital effects looks stupid>boring, repetitive layoutsIf you want to ignore the anatomy and drawing issues, those are the main problems with the art
>>153772277why are you quoting yourself, anon
>>153772280There, was that so difficult?
>>153772227>Realistically, at the very least, you could learn to storyboard to help guide the artist towards your vision. Nobody wants a freeloader "helmsman" leeching off all their hard work.That just leaves drawing and inking. Hey writers, just do all the work and give the artist 50% of the money. It's what's fair! We'll only be insufferable, self-righteous faggots believing our work is worth more than it is because we drag ass doing it!Great pitch, stupid. Kill yourself, marxist troon.
>>153772381Why do you come here? To these threads? Asking without irony.
>>153772227>YOU NEED TO RESPECT THE AMOUNT OF WORK ARTISTS DO>*Actively disrespecting writers*Why are you fags like this?
Here's my take on the debate, that nobody asked for.Art matters more than writing in most cases, and the field of writing is so cheapened that it makes the dynamic more skewed towards the artist.Good, passable art takes a substantial amount of time, and the threshold between bad, serviceable, and amazing art skill is much more apparent to the reader, so the expected threshold for artistic demand is higher. The threshold between passable and good writing isn't something that's as noticable to the common reader, often takes more time to become apparent, and requires mental strain to really figure out (and thus some IQ beyond "oo pretty color," so more readers are going to be filtered). There's also the fact that any extraneous details in the background compound the work of the artist already.If your takeaway is that writing is a 2smrt4u job, that's the wrong takeaway. I'm trying to point out that there's more of an expectation for an artist to be a good one verses a writer being anything more than passable, so there's more leverage on the artist's side between the two.
>>153772381>just leaves drawing and inking>JUST drawing and inkingGRRR, those lazy fucking construction workers! I literally mapped out the house for them already! I did the hard part! Why don't they just BUILD the whole thing for me faster? It's JUST construction! GOD!
>>153772433Thread started out good with lots of constructive feedback and communal support for people in various stages of the process. Fags came in and started shitting it up. Genuine discussion died.This is the lifecycle for these threads, but it's still one of the consistent best topics on this board.
>>153772462You can't post reasonable takes on here. The writefags are going to say you just don't understand how incredible important they are. Just look at what some of these people believe >>153770840
>>153772472More like I designed it, poured the foundation, and put up the frame, now the construction crew wants to charge me as though they did everything themselves.
>>153772462Pretty much. The only people I've noticed actually reading the dialog in my comic are novelists and lawyers.
>>153772455Because the writers in this thread (or writer, since it seems to be just the one guy raging) have absurdly bloated egos and think typing>The storm raged on as the samurai unsheathed his swordis the same amount of effort as actually drawing that scene out.
>>153772381Writer-onlys are a scourge on the medium.
>>153772222We were actually thinking of saving the shading for the bigger moments as a sort of psudeo-manga style. We could probably establish more consistency with it going forward. >>153772280Therrrrrre you go. I'll admit these first few chapters are extremely dialogue/exposition heavy, mostly because at the time I was writing under the assumption that the chapter HAS to be under 30ish pages because thats what the usual mainstream comic issue runs at. Moving forward I think I'll give the story more room to breathe.>>153772381I've always drawn rough thumbnails for our pages. It actually helps me because it gives me a chance to fiddle with the dialogue before anything concrete has started. All I do is simple stick figures, essentially but it gives my art buddy a framework to build off of at least
The irony of this conversation is that posts like >>153772227 are taking the time to write out their reasoning in detail and getting met with self-proclaimed writefags are just shitting out worthless nonarguments like >>153772455 and strawman like >>153772381.
>>153772774That's my post, and I genuinely don't know why I keep trying to argue my case. I'm actually really passionate about comics and I'd love to give actual criticism and help other webcomics grow, but too many posts on here are holier-than-thou writers who think an artist would be lucky to slave over their ideas.
>>153772617Do you know how it works in comic scripting? The writer doesn't write like that. He writes like:>Panel 7a: >Sword drawn upward diagonally from lefmost corner of panel, light glint visible on blade. Rain mats the samurai's hair to his forehead. Facial expression: grimace, look of resolve in eyes. >Panel 7b: 7a again, with colors bleached from flash of lightning.A good artist can take that and make it without much fuss.
>>153772851>holier-than-thou writers who think an artist would be lucky to slave over their ideas.Point out to where anyone has said that and wasn't just demanding you give writers equal props for their efforts instead of dismissing them because you're a drawfag
>>153772986Do YOU know how it works? Because that's not at all how it's done. A writer doesn't write "sword drawn upward diagonally", he fucking STORYBOARDS IT that way as a basic sketch and then then artist refines it to actually look good. Typing everything out as a description is the laziest way of doing anything and essentially tells the artist nothing of any worth.
>>153773136Comic scripting is different from storyboarding, you stupid, useless faggot.
>>153773136>Writer: writes descriptions>Artist: storyboards and draws>You: seethes Are you intent on spiking your cortisol over writers existing in the comic medium?
>>153773136You understand you're asking writers to take complete creative freedom (excepting minor details) away from the artists they partner with, right?
>>153773251Writers obviously exist and play a role, but to pretend "writes descriptions" is anywhere near the amount of work required for "drawing literally everything in the comic" is being deliberately obtuse.
>>153773299No, because a storyboard is just a basic outline of how the scene is meant to look. That Miyazaki storyboard is a bad example because Miyazaki has a very specific artstyle that the animators are meant to replicate, but if you look at work like ONE, there is extreme creative freedom with how Murata is able to portray a scene while following the basic outline of what ONE was going for.
>>153773302>Conceptualize ideas>Write rough script>Edit for vision, conceptual clarity, internal logic, characterization>Conceptualize panel and page layout>Write prescriptions for each panelArtist:>Storyboard, following instructions>Ask for feedback and clarity when stuck>Draw>Ask for feedback and clarity when stuck>Make edits>Ink>DoneSounds about even. Get that chip off your shoulder, artfag.
>>153773401Just say you don't like verbal storyboarding because you're a visual person and stop seething about writers like a histrionic retard.
>>153773401Another example. You can pretend that taking 10 seconds to type out "Sumo and black guy grapple with each other, their veins bulging and muscles tensed" is anywhere near comparable to the effort required, but if you don't give enough of a shit about your work to handle storyboards, don't expect anyone else to.>>153773444>Writer: writes some sentences>Artist: Sketch, Lineart, Compositing, Environments, Shading, Rendering, Texturing, BackgroundsHey look, I can diminish everything you do to nothing too! The difference is that if an artist had to write something, they could do it easily. If you had to draw something, you'd put a barrel in your mouth.
>>153773561See>>153773487Artfags are such martyrs for their totally voluntary hobby.
>>153773561>You can pretend that taking 10 seconds to type out "Sumo and black guy grapple with each other, their veins bulging and muscles tensed" is anywhere near comparable to the effort requiredIt's all the other shit that it takes to get to that clear, simple prescription that's high-effort, and I made that very clear. You are being a disingenuous homosexual.
>>153773444>Sounds about even.No! It's not even! Because it's just so haaard to draw if I have to storyboard myself! WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO IMAGINE WHAT THE WORDS YOU PUT ON A PAGE MEAN!? I DON'T WANT ANY CWEATIVE CONTWOL!!! WAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!These artfags should really kill themselves.
>>153773653>It's all the other shit that it takes to get to that clear, simple prescription that's high-effortIn the same way you're not paying attention to artist steps like Sketch, Lineart, Compositing, Environments, Shading, Rendering, Texturing, BackgroundsThese artfags don't have any appreciation for writing steps. You're never going to find common ground until you do.
>>153773487>verbal storyboardingThat literally isn't even a thing, you absolute waste of oxygen. Seriously, google "verbal storyboarding" and you'll get no results. I don't even know I'm replying when time and time again, you prove you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.Even the most basic storyboards still outline what the general vision is meant to look like for each scene, but you clearly have Chris-chan levels of autism about your own self-importance, so I'm wasting my breath trying to teach you otherwise. Best of luck writing your oh-so-brilliant "verbal storyboards" while you rot away in these threads for the rest of your life.
>all this shitposting Is there a chance we can just go back to sharing our silly little doodles with word bubbles or are these threads really that far gone now?
>>153773444>>153773653why do you keep typing "prescription", faggot
>>153773561>If you had to draw something, you'd put a barrel in your mouth.Come on, now, it's just a set of skills. You're not in the trenches, calm down.
>>153773864>doesn't understand the meaning of common wordsClearly superior to writefags. Amazing.
>>153773823>Googles itAI response:>Word-based storyboarding refers to the process of creating a storyboard using text descriptions to outline scenes and actions, often accompanied by illustrations or images. This method helps visualize a narrative before production, making it easier to plan and communicate ideas effectively.>Literally everything else for 3 pages is an ad for storyboarding softwareHoly fucking shit Google is so worthless in this decade. The AI got it, though.
>>153773874The difference is the barrier of entry for each skill. Like >>153772462 said, a newbie writer could still write a basic scene and it would be passable. A newbie artist is much more noticeable and drags down the finished product. There's a reason these threads have exponentially more writers than artists.Anyone can write a story and think "Wow, my story is so cool!" but see how many people could do the same with artwork.
>>153773864>prescription: a written direction
>>153773937>often accompanied by illustrations or imagesDid you miss this part, retard?
>>153755374Sure you can send some stuff to this throwaway here dumpsterdiner@proton.me but keep your expectations low on what sort of feedback you'd get from a random anon.
>>153773957>There's a reason these threads have exponentially more writers than artists.Because you're not drawing in response to someone's shitpost.
>>153774004What does "often" mean my dear, sweet retard? Does it mean "Always. As a rule. And without exemption."? Or does it mean, "frequently"?
>>153773957>Anyone can write a story and think "Wow, my story is so cool!" but see how many people could do the same with artwork.Sure, but try showing it to other people for critique. Same deal as art really. This entire argument is extremely retarded.
>>153773993Why did you intentionally leave out the rest of the definition? To make yourself not look stupid?I swear, this post basically sums up the mindset of every writefag. Just completely refusing to accept any facts and pretending they're right no matter what by twisting logic as much as possible.
>>153774148You know that word can be used for other things, right? This is not a win for you. If anything, it shows why artfags need writefags.
>>153774148Holy shit.
>>153774194That's not what you said though. Stop the mental gymnastics and fucking look at yourself. You saw the definition "a written direction for a therapeutic or corrective agent" and you selectively ONLY took the words that you wanted to, and removed the ones that showed you were using it wrong. Do you not see how this is the kind of thing a delusional person would do?
>>153771585>he's objectively capable as an artist.
>>153774148>>153774249Artfags, everybody.
>>153774249Du bist der retardest
>>153774249You don't need a writing partner, artfag, you need a fucking chaperone lmfao
>>153774249They're literally incapable of critical thinking, don't bother. You could completely corner them, but they'll just shitpost and dance around the topic to avoid facing the facts.
>>153774004>>153774148>>153774249You retards may have even had valid points about how much work goes into art, but holy shit your retardation is next level. You lose.
>>153773957>A newbie artist is much more noticeableA shit writer will out themselves as such in just a few sentences. More to the point, how else is one supposed to git gud if they dont start off as a total shitter?
>>153774249>>153774371
>all this seethe over goddamn semanticsY'all are making me laugh, if nothing else. Kudos
>>153774399Case in point, this guy trying to prove how easy writing is.>>153771866
>>153774249Go outside, for the love of God
>>153773993>>153774194>>153774246>>153774317Why are writefags like this? He's completely right. "Prescription" was obviously a typo for "description" but rather than face his mistake, the original poster tried to play it off like it was intentional. Nothing about storyboards is "prescribed", jesus christ these people are fucking insane. This has to be just one angry autist samefagging for his life.
>>153774516>Nothing about storyboards is "prescribed">Laid down, in writing or otherwise as a rule or a course of action to be followed. Anon, I just...
>>153774516Stick to your doodles, you fucking idiot. Any credibility you had in your argument is fucking gone.
>>153774516Are you aware of the concept of words changing meaning over long periods of time, anon?
>>153774654Or even of words having multiple meanings
>Why do we need writefags? We artfags do all the work! >The artfags in question:>>153774148>>153774148>>153774516>>153774371>>153774249I bet you think workers should kill the factory owners and farmers, too.
>>153774583The only time the word "prescription" is used as a rule is when it's meant to outline an effect.Anon, it was clearly just a fucking typo. It's not the end of the world that he didn't type "description". Nobody in the history of writing has ever used "prescription" in the context of storyboarding, and samefagging this hard to defend yourself as if "prescribing a storyboard" is some kind of industry standard is insane. Shit like this is why nobody will ever take you seriously. Could you imagine doing THIS MUCH damage control to your artist over a typo? They'd leave in a heartbeat.
>>153768522Nice, more power to you anon
>>153774751>as a rule or a course of actionWhat does "or" mean, my dear sweet retard?
>>153774751Anon, just stop. Even if we take everything you say at face value, what the actual fuck does it matter to anyone in any meaningful way whatever word a random stranger on the internet did or did not mean to use? How does affect your life, in even the slightest degree? Put the phone down and go do something else for a while, we'll still be here when you get back
>>153769365>finds someone who understands his creative vision and wants to make moneyYeah but his creativite vision goes against my own and I'm not a moneyfag
>>153774825>"I'm just hydrating my loins, my dear sweet retard"
>>153751007goin' solid so far! its been a while since i updated it let alone even popped up to one of these threads but i really got things rolling now!>http://mercs.thecomicseries.comi still gotta pretty up the comicfury page but hopefully you guys are goin well with your webcomics too!
>>153770043>what's stopping an established artist from being the one demanding the 80% cut?The fact that most illustrators are complete retards when it comes to deal-making and finance
Anyone know when the next Terriful issue drops?
>>153774857I cannot fathom the love of Christ to die for retards like you.
>>153774831That's totally fine. Just find one you vibe with. That's the beauty of free markets.
>>153774857God bless, anon
>>153774900And judging by this thread, most things outside of making pictures.
Writefags visiting TT should learn a vital lesson about being very selective about the artfag they choose to work with. Don't just go with anyone who can draw good. Find someone who's not like one of these retards. Maybe bake a probationary period into your collaboration agreement where, if they don't perform, or reveal themselves to be a retard, you can separate them entirely from the IP and retain any work they had done up to that point. You really don't want to be saddled with a retard longterm.
>>153771066You taking 9 months to create does not mean you inherently have more value kek
>>153775205Anon, he very clearly popped out at month 7. And fell right to the floor.
>>153772227>in no time at all*five minutes
>>153774857I notice you spent this entire time chipping out about writers, but never posted any of your art.
>>153772472>>153772617It may not be the same amount of effort but it's undeniably the same amount of value.
>>153775187To add to this, make sure you actually *like* each other as well. I lucked out with knowing my art friend since middle school, but it's important to have a good rapport in any relationship, business or otherwise. Honestly, this comic would have just shriveled and died in my heart if I had chosen any other person to collaborate with.
>>153773136>>153773401>>153773561>western comics thread>"here's my example">it's japanimeEvery time.
>>153774249>and you selectively ONLY took the words that you wanted toCreative freedom ftw! :)
I want the artfags to leave.
Total writefag victory. Lmao. Good thread.
>>153775445One of the longest running, most successful webcomics ever is a strait up not-manga written for silly baka gaijins, the actual fuck are you on about?
>>153775418Yeah, creative endeavors should be work, but they should at least have a pleasant environment to them where you enjoy being around each other while you work. Not really sustainable otherwise.
>>153775661>the actual fuck are you on about?The examples he cited weren't webcomics. They were anime. That's the issue. Not that they are Japanesey, but that they're not webcomics.
>ITT: Comicfury webcomics you've enjoyed.Candy Hell Havoc was cool before the creator nuked it.I liked the PSG style it was following.
How do you think of ideas for writing your comics?
>>153776980It pretty much just happens, I don't have a choice.
>>153776980I think of a cool encounter 400 pages into an established universe and I stew over how cool it would be to have already drawn the 400 pages of context needed to reach this epic scene.And then I don't make it.
>>153775979OPM started as a webcomic (and still is) before Murata reached out to ONE for a collab.
>>153777214>top left>men when they show themselves about to get punched>top right>women when they show themselves about to get punched
>>153773864>>153773993>>153774148>>153774194Shit like this genuinely makes me lose more and more faith in you people. "Prescribing" a storyboard, and then goes on a tirade about how it wasn't actually a typo, it was totally some esoteric secondary definition because they couldn't fathom making a mistake. Just straight up shameless egotism.
>>153777478Prescribe some ritalin
>>153776980Honestly I have no fucking idea, they just pop into my head. Its mostly a tiny stray thought that sparks into something bigger over time. Like for example I was leaving my house for work a few months ago stewing on some self-hatred issues ive been working thru, and I made note of the sunrise as I started driving. That somehow got me to thinking about God, time, peace and it bled into my other thoughts about not being able to accept myself most days. By the time I got to work about 15 minutes later I had a whole outline for a post-apocalyptic story where God seemingly abandons the Earth as like 90% of mankind is reduced to animalistic monsters and the ones who do retain some semblance of humanity are also disfigured monster people. The crux would be that everyone was given a subconscious choice to finally be at peace with thier own selves, and those who refused or had no sense of thier own self became bloodthirsty monsters to some degree. The exception is the protagonist who looks 100% human but is easily one of the most dangerous men alive as he can kill a whole room of people within a minute. Like, all of that came from two unconnected sentences running thru my brain at 7 god damn AM in the morning. Everyone has different means but for the most part ideas come from what you yourself know best or enjoy. No one can tell your story but you, anon, so that's where you ideas should come from
>>153777478You're a retard.
>>153777478Welp, there's the door, champ. Honestly not sure what else we can tell you at this point
>>153776980It sounds petty and meanspirited but I love finding shitty obnoxious OCs and think of scenarios to beat the shit out of them
>>153777214Murada robbed all soul and humor from this franchise
>>153777478>>153774751Fuck off samefag
Okay, someone give me their idea for a webcomic and I'll bang it out right now. Don't expect color or typeface.
>>153751007
>>153780770Indian squirrel that serially rapes fish.
>>153781002I left it in a small hiatus once again to work in the remaining pages because I'm a lazy ass.
>>153781003
>>153780770Aliens landing their UFO in hillbilly country to give people technology only to be blamed as jewish spies and shot at
>>153780770
>>153780770A dragon who goes on wild adventures.
So how is everyone?
>>153781347And she's a busty anthro one too.
>>153781366I'm good.I like this guy's art. >>153781002>>153781027I want to see more so I can see if his writing is any good.
>>153781044Do it
>>153780770If you genuinely just want a random idea to doodle, draw a gnome who got picked up by an eagle and dropped into the deepwoods, and he's trying to find his way home.
>>153781519https://figliodargento.net/There, anon.
>>153781519Oh yeah that is cool.
>>153781631I just happen to speak the same 3 languages as you. I can read your work in all 3. Which would you suggest for how it's "meant" to be read? Great touch, by the way.
>>153773957Agreed, but I think the biggest difference is the time sink in actually creating the final product.I can write, "The intergalactic federation engaged the wormhole beast, firing everything they had in a last-ditch effort to stop its relentless advance" in ten seconds, but that same sentence would take hours and hours of time to illustrate. Even if the writer spent time detailing how the ships looked, how the beasts tentacles lashed around, or how the surrounding space swirled around the wormhole, the effort spent just isn't comparable to how much time is required to illustrate it. The average professional comic writer can create a 22-page script in a week. That script then takes four artists a month to illustrate.I'm not saying one is "harder" than the other, but the workload required for an artist is definitely the greater burden.
>>153781781your a retard.
>>153781758I would say Italian if you want to understand the jokes a bit better, but any of the languages work.And thanks!
>>153781940>being retarded is...le bad!
>>153782104Speravo che dicessi questo lmao
>>153782208I did because the comic is setted in Italy, otherwise is like drawing a comic setted in Japan and there aren't Japanese lore/references.
>>153780770okay here it is
>>153782351Based, anon delivers
>>153782201Shut up.
>>153781781Somewhat unrelated, but this reminds me of why I hate Idea Guys who don't actually have any of the skills to contribute to their ideas. At my old job, I used to draw stuff during my breaks and I had this fat coworker who was big into videogames, and he was the most obnoxious idea guy about it. Every fucking day, it was>"OH, OH, DUDE! They should make a game, like, Super Smash Bros but combined with a MOBA! Oh man, the first company to do that would be RICH! You should make a game like that!">What? I don't know anything about coding.>"You should just learn how then, dude! You can make my game and be a millionaire! Just do it! Just learn it! Why not, right?!">Why don't you learn it then?>Ah... well, y'know, I've got kids! I've got no time! Can't do anything like that anymore. But YOU can! OH, OH, or what about, like, Fortnite but with World of Warcraft spells and shit? DUUUDE!"If you can't do anything to help create your "idea", then shut the fuck up about it. Ideas are a dime a dozen. Having the necessary skills to make them into something is the hard part.
>>153782104Dude what the fuck. Why have I never heard of your work before when you've been making stuff of this quality for over a year? Do you just not advertise?
>>153782658>If you can't do anything to help create your "idea", then shut the fuck up about it.That's what separates idea guys from functional creative roles like writing and art. They stop at the idea. Problem is ITT, certain artfags have been taking writing a full script and preparing the way for an artist as "stopping at the idea" because they're retarded tossers.
>>153782687>Do you just not advertise?I do. But I don't use Tapas or Webtoons anymore.
>>153782838Huh. Well can you tell me anything else? How long have you been at this? Do you do any side work?
>>153782802No, the problem ITT is that there's ""writers"" trying to pass themselves off as actual writers, and comparing the work involved in writing as an equal to the investment required of artists. This >>153781781 puts it best, and of course, the immediate kneejerk reply is some writefag who doesn't want to hear it.
>>153782900Huh. >Well can you tell me anything else? I'm more into illustrations than comics, hence FdA looks so amateurish. >How long have you been at this? FdA is going to be 10 years old next year.>Do you do any side workNo, just me and my illustrations.
>>153782951>""writers"" trying to pass themselves off as actual writersThe problem is that writing isn't something you can immediately judge the quality of, especially if it's your own. For an artist, if their art is bad, they'll know. For a writer, if their writing is bad, they won't know unless someone tells them. This leads to lots of writers getting too full of themselves and thinking their work is comparable to the work of actual industry-tier writers.
>>153782951Oh shut the fuck up, artfag. We had this out already and you retards got stuck on a non-medical use of the word "prescription" and tarded the fuck out. Will you just fuck off? We just got this thread back on track.
>>153782952>No, just me and my illustrations.That's a shame, I really need to hire a concept artist. Well anyway, your work is really good and cuts exactly to the core of my preferences in style. I hope you have plenty of success or at least enjoy the creative process for years to come.
>>153783094>STILL being upset that you made a basic typo and tried to play it off like a retardGet over it already, crybaby
>>153783199>You made a typoI said it multiple times, you retard.
>>153783199Holy shit anon, do something else with your fucking life. You have just been lurking ITT seething about writers all day.
>>153782658There's a reason we call idea guys parasites
>>153783183I like to do concept art, but I prefer to focus more in FdA right now.And thank you.
>>153782951>>153783199>>153783334In honor of your full day of seething at writefags, I made this for (You) <3
>reading/posting pages in thread made me look back over thumbnails for next couple chapters we have planned>realize plot points are way too compressed, dialogue needs tuning and characters aren't really established as well as I thought >likely have to start again from scratch......welp, best get to it then.
>>153783524I'll check out more of your work. I really like how you grew more comfortable in your design and style. By chapter 6 it feels very natural.
>>153752305>partner....you pay them money...the fuck is this poorfag shit?? "partner" You are making the pictures i want you to make drawfag, and you WILL be revising it. And you'll be lucky to even get credit.
>>153783556Fucking kek. The low-effort really sells it
>>153783556You writefags are genuinely some of the dumbest most insufferable people.
>>153783674Stop sucking your own dick after every single post you make.
>>153783679Majority have the combination of big ego+ inferiority complex. That's why.
>>153783679That's fine, anyone who's seething can share in it. I made this for all of you.>>153774421
>>153783732>big ego+ inferiority complexThat's every drawfag I've ever met.
>>153783732I'd be mad too if I had a bunch of ideas, but none of the skill required to create them.
>>153783764What gives you that impression? This entire thread of them asserting how hard their work is and how it's more valuable because it takes longer?
>>153783771>none of the skill required to create themOh my sweet summer child.It doesn't take skill to writeLike, at all. Books are pumped out by the thousands every year, pulp stories, mythology compilations, romance novels, Dinosaur themed romances even.You don't need talent to be a writer. But you can be the best artist on the planet and still be a broke useless waste of space.
>>153783732It's the only outcome of >>153783036 . When you don't have anyone to critique your writing, you settle into your mistakes and never learn to grow. These writefags have been hoarding their TXT scribbles to themselves for years without showing anyone, so I can't imagine how fucking atrocious they must be.
>>153783888>It hurt itself in its confusionAnother stellar moment for artfag reading comprehension.
>>153783888>But you can be the best artist on the planet and still be a broke useless waste of space.In fact, it's extremely likely that the best artist on the planet is in some Chinese city completely broke off his ass because his sperg social skills won't let him hold down a job.
>>153783911>These writefags have been hoarding their TXT scribbles to themselves for years without showing anyone, so I can't imagine how fucking atrocious they must be.I've literally asked you 3 times to post your art.
>>153783924The irony of posting this, while misunderstanding that post entirely.
>>153783961You say this as if anyone here has been posting their writing.
>>153783924NO UMy point was you don't need skill to create ideas as a writefag, you don't need an artist, you don't even need to be particularly good at writing. There's literally millions of bad novels. Artists though, they spend decades honing their craft to be less than nothing.
>>153783888>It doesn't take skill to write>Like, at all.It doesn't take skill to write drivel. It also doesn't take skill to draw sonic inflation porn.To draw or to write well both take practice.
>>153751007doing good, On chapter 26
>>153784060mine (or my buddies) is about two mercs being sent on a mission to kill someone who can't die
>>153784021>Post 1 image>Post your 24,000 word manuscriptThese things are equal. Sure. Show me yours and I'll show you mine, artfag.
>>153784021Well l don't even think we're supposed to be asking them that, this isn't the board for it. And we have a character limit, and while 2000 characters sounds like a lot I can easily go over that calling someone on /his/ a retard.
>>153784092>yet ANOTHER political comic about killing drompf
>>153784134>I can't post my garbage because......linking to text files and taking screenshots of text suddenly stopped existing when I had to prove my worthJust gets better and better
>>153784040>Artists though, they spend decades honing their craft to be less than nothing.Delusional writefags are so seething mad about their inability to draw that they have to gaslight themselves into thinking it's not worth learning. Don't kid yourself, you never could.
>>153784042Difference is the sonic porn wont get published, the romance novel that takes 2 pages to describe the noble womans hairy junk will.
>>153784166And you have not even the barest plausible excuse not to drop a jpg, so...
>>153784166>everyone that responds to me is the same personI just got here my guy.
>>153784171That's a fair point. The fucking fantasy section at Barnes and Noble is 98% that.
>>153784171Shpuld have made your sanic porn with OCs instead then so you could publish it
>>153783643Thanks. I learned a lot during this comic, specially when other people helped me with the language, drawing and lore. And also helping myself in taking my time in doing the pages,
>>153784191That poster wasn't even me. I just don't want to share my art because writefags like this >>153784040 would sooner cut off their balls than give honest critique, so why bother
>>153783556That's pretty funny.
>>153784277>I don't want people to say mean things about my art because I've spent all day being an insufferable faggot.If you're really superior, wouldn't the quality of your work be unassailable?
>>153784277Uh, okay, what about the people lurking ITT you haven't been arguing with? Wouldn't they say good things about it if it's good?
>>153784166>linking to text filesOh hey I forgot about that, still probably bannable tho. >>153784213>The fucking fantasy section at Barnes and Noble is 98% that.THAT Was exactly my point.Even garbage writers, I mean awful fucking shits, get their crap published and even stand to make some money as they network and grow within the industry. They make money honing their skill as a side gig and for fun while simultaneously getting a foot in the door at a publisher. 99% wont take it further but hey, "he's a published author" is still more than 99% of people in general can say.Artists? Meh. Not really. Even very talented artists can languish on the internet for years with nothing but more and more debt to show for it. Or even forever. It's really very firmly set as a hobby unless you dedicate enormous amounts of time not to drawing but to networking and succeeding in a related industry like animation (lol), professional comics or making concept art and the like or something similar. It's basically a crapshoot otherwise.
>>153784136Sorry you caught me I'm Garth Ennis
>>153784357>if it's goodOperating phrase
>>153784320You don't have to be the greatest chef in the world to know when something tastes like shit
Children, please.You're all equally worthless starving artists dying on your little crosses. Can we please go back to talking about our silly drawings like adults now?
>>153784277I'm not even a writefag.I'm just pointing out the obvious.
>>153784437What a fucking impenetrable thing to say. Did you pull this out of a fortune cookie, what the fuck does it mean?
>>153783961Post your writing, writefag
>>153784422>It's really very firmly set as a hobby unless you dedicate enormous amounts of time not to drawing but to networking and succeeding **(ON TOP of dedicating enormous amounts of time to drawing)fixed it.
>>153784451>I'm not even a writefag.Actually you are. All of us are, if you can write then you're a writefag, it's that easy.
>>153784422>allat Yeah, probably why artfags seethe so much about AI. Takes their chances from slim to none, while everyone still prefers human writing patterns. A grim fate. Maybe that explains the seethe.
At this point it's pretty clear there are a few autists who are dead set on crashing this thread with no survivors. Looks like it picked up steam around 11-12 hours ago and eventually devolved into shouting "writefag!" "artfag!" back and forth.
>>153784549As you do.
>>153784480>144,000 characters in my manuscriptOkay, but you're gonna have to read it over the course of 72 posts. Before I get started, how about you post just 1 lil png
>>153784477Rub your two brain cells together and figure it out, dumbass. The only impenetrable thing is your fucking neanderthal skull.
>>153784549It was chill last night. Someone mentioned "he" hasn't found it yet. I guess he's found it?
>>153784515I meanConsidering some of the novels I've read over the years, you're not that wrong. >>153784578Link to the text files fgt
>>153784549It be like dat. It had a brief resurgence an hour ago after a cool off period from artfags getting steamrolled.
>>153784599Are you saying the quality of your work would be declared shit by everyone, not even just art critics? That's how it reads to me. Which is why it's impenetrable, because like... why are you say this? This is a silly.
>>153784601This looks like a different autism. I think what happened is that HYW getting derailed is a universal constant so while we avoided the usual problems, the universe folded on itself to make sure something bad would happen.
>>153784617Artfags hardcarry this general and the medium of comics itself. Writefags are lazy parasites hanging on the necks of artchads.
>>153784651Have we considered it's an intentional sabotage by shills who don't want new up-and-coming creatives to get the feedback they need to get big and outshine industry plants?
>back and forthingbleak. post or explode
>>153784651When two fags are going back and forth in a thread I always imagine both of them giggling to themselves with each post. It's similar to heckling a comedian; funny maybe once, then it becomes annoying.
>>153784697Artfags and writefags each lighten the part of the workload the other doesn't want to focus on. It's a synergy appreciated only by those who are going anywhere professionally.
>>153784698>up-and-coming creativesJesus christ my guy how many more webcomics do we have to see abandoned or go nowhere?
>>153784777Writer-artists are the true chads of comics. Writer onlies are parasites.
What's the bump limit on this board, anyhow?
>>153784777Trips of truth. Shut it down.>>153784811Respect those trips, son.
>>153784648>self-proclaimed writefag can't even understand a basic analogyNot surprised>>153784697This is only half true. There ARE actual respectable writefags out there, but they're nothing like the posers in this thread. That said, artfags definitely hardcarry the medium in general; if an artfag wanted to make a comic, they could just come up with a silly little story and draw up the comic. If a writefag wanted to make a comic, they'd come here to bitch about how drawing is for losers.
>>153784698I don't think anybody here is a threat to major or even minor media
>>153784847>If a writefag wanted to make a comic, they'd come here to bitch about how drawing is for losers.No, they'd dangle a few benjamins on a line on artstation or deviantart. Then, they'd say, "You're going to give me this many pages with revisions. What? Equity? Ownership? Hell no, you get paid and that's that. This is my story, you're just participating. Talk back to me again and I'm buying a $5k rig and permanently replacing you with AI."Know your place.
>>153784847>if an artfag wanted to make a comic, they could just come up with a silly little story and draw up the comicAnd it would meander and go nowhere with uninteresting characters as most of them do.
>>153784126Not OP, but as both a draw-fag and write-fag, writing is leagues easier to start, polish and finish and you can just churn out pages. That and most anons are none the wiser on mediocre writing but they can immediately tell visually if things are off.Most people already know how to write on a mediocre level and the polishing of a manuscript is far more approachable than finishing a good visual piece.Also, visual story telling requires a fuck ton more pre-planning and polishing and editing than a manuscript or book ever well.>Almost finished with one novella and novelette at nearly 40k words and another at 15k words
>>153784962>"Know your place">Literally admitting that he can't do anything without an artists helpAt least have a LITTLE self awareness, dumbass.
I'm a writer and this thread has convinced me to stay practicing my art skills. Not because the artfags ITT are right, but because they're such insufferable faggots that I never want to have to work with one to see a project through.
Anyone up for a new thread after this one?
>>153784962This is a bit extreme but I have actually hired artists before and they are in fact fairly cheap. The issue with that approach is you need to build a long term relationship with someone and you need to be good at a specific kind of writing as well as storyboarding. An artist-writer relationship is usually both enhancing the others weak points. The artist understanding the overarching narrative he ties together with witty dialogue and able to both set up and frame scenes. With the Artist actually making everything look professional and well made, interpreting the writers chicken scratches into something people can masturbate to with pride.
>>153785097Yesabandon ship
>>153785005That's a lot of assumptions you're making. Who's to say they couldn't come up with a simple story? Or even a kids book? In the end, it would still be a product that the writefag can't create.
