Bump if you're reading.
Let's give a farewell kiss the secular jew for his christian funeral.
Not sure how i feel about the art in this issue
>>153769380God I hate this, can't we just have an issue about Peter revealing a version of his history with Ben to everyone. It's public record that he was in Miles Warren's class when the man went insane and all Peter has to do is tell everyone that Ben is one of those clones.
>>153769458Don't post images in the Storytime, you cretin
>>153769328https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEc65x59XHc
>>153769398If you listen closely, you can hear a hundred power scalers saving this and feverishly typing “SPIDEY FTL”
>>153769485And it just so happens the man with your DNA and face has superpowers? Seems like a great way to compromise your secret identity.
OP here, the lights have gone out here and I can't continue the storytime because my phone is rangebanned.
>>153769398Did something happen to OP or is this another “Gwenschizo can’t solve the Captcha” thing.
>>153769679Shhhh OP, let it go. Don't struggle.
>>153769655Almost nobody knows Ben is Spider-Man and among those who do there's the very easy explanation of the fact that Peter was cloned by a Spider-Man villain and the guy is very well known for splicing people together.
Don't worry guys I'm on it
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>>153769796DD and Spider-Man team-ups are always nice to see
>>153769810So... Matt is blind, and never mentions Peter's name. Does he know again or not?
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>>153769840He knows what Spider-Man's internals sound like. He would be able to pick Peter out of the street, so the rest doesn't matter.
>>153769861
>>153769881>>153769871It matters to me. It's a trust thing
>>153769810>>153769840wonder if this is meant to foreshadow some upcoming Punisher story in ASM.From my understanding, the Spider- editorial office are the one who controls if Peter has told Matt his identity, which was at least the argument Zdarsky made when Matt revealed his identity to Peter but why Peter didn't give his identity in the same issue.
>>153769711The christian funeral for the secular jew must continue.
>>153769398>>153769796Holy hell this guy actually draws the backgrounds. He still does the boring super angular bodies but at least it looks decent, has color, and shading that isn't that Larraz shit.
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>>153769948
>>153769881What's an O-M?
>>153769970
>>153769985Mac?
I hope rae gets fat sitting on that couch.
>>153769929>a digital cesspool of meaninglessness and despair>also oddly comfortingWait, this is how I feel when I come to 4chan...
>>153769380Shaybros… it’s over.
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>>153770025
>>153770048>>153769485Job done
>>153770024She did go to Paul's funeral at least
>>153770068
>>153769810Apparently space training arc wasn't enough. But I imagine everyone's just gonna ignore that Peter should be a bit more stronger now.
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>>153770068Well okay that was tricky
>>153770102
>>153770068Yeah, but Brian doesn't believe him, so it's very possible no one else will either. I guess Kelly could resolve this just by having Ben Reilly and Peter be publicly in the same room they might even do that for #1000, along with all the cousin drama
>>153770123>>153770125Ben is publicly known as his cousin too though. His very dead cousin at that
>>153770138
>>153770125At this point, it feels like they're gearing up to 1000 actually just being another face reveal or something. They've been kicking around it as being the only way to resolve his troubles, and he's getting awfully close to it here in this issue
>>153769985So at what point will May finally tell Ricardo to fuck of back to Africa, with his cheap shots agains Peter?
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>>153770186
>>153769328Not a bad issue, I enjoy the rapport of the aliens but it’s all just kinda weird that pete is fine with something like this risking his identity
>>153770206>Doing an ASM #259 retread in Venom #258tsk tsk
>>153770165Face reveal to who?Aunt May I see but a full public one seems rather redundant at this point
>>153770225Should've been Carol
>>153770225>>153770216He lived with Johnny for a while too
>>153770125Peter, all his living clones, and his maybe sister all standing around to meet the new relative.
>>153770225Queen in Black starts next month.Ewing doesn't have time to be cute with his issue numbers anymore
>>153770250Let the shitshow begin
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>>153770286
>>153770268Why is Norman at this Funeral?Everyone else kinda makes sense, even Shay but did Norman even interact with Paul at all? You can't even say it was to be Normie's chaperone since he's deliberately not attending the funeral
>>153770250But they can at least hand wave that as they’ve known each other since Pete was in high school
>>153770268Press S to spit on his grave.S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S S
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>>153770326>Peter and Flash almost talkMaybe someday...
>>153770344
>>153770344Why did Flash owe to Paul?
>>153770363
>>153770379
>>153770379They really make no effort to shown that Mary Jane has aged 5 years
>>153770407>My therapist>If I had oneYou do and she's currently an evil goblin lady. And you've done nothing to try and fix that
>>153770250>>153770268>>153770286>>153770305>>153770286>>153770305>>153770326The venom 258 has already beeen spolied. Storytimed in this this thread>>153737153in addition it is stll active now don't waste this boards time and space or we will have to report you for flooding.
>>153770326GIWTWM
>>153770407Peter has definitely been in at least one timewarped prison where he never gave up. I don't even have a source I just know it's the kind of bullshit Peter has dealt with.
>>153770417Aztec magic, don't think about it
>>153770425
>>153770086>>153770102>Completely external factors end up with someone fucking over people around Peter, and everyone putting the blame on him>Peter feels forced to accept responsibility for a ton of nonsense he absolutely didn't do, all for the sake of his oh so sacred secret identity.Again and again and again and again.I am so fucking tired of this shit. I don't even know why he even bothers in-universe anymore. Like 99% of his social contacts are neck deep into superhero life nowadays, and Peter himself is rooming with three literal extraterrestrials. Seriously what's the goddamn point anymore?>MUH MAY!!All this apparently revolves around a single old woman who should've died 20 years ago, and who he doesn't even have the decency of sharing his secret with. We're supposed to just agree with this entire nonsense because of the nobility of keeping a single woman out of danger. The same woman who has 10+ near death experiences every year regardless of Peter being known to be Spider-Man.
>>153770451
>>153770417Ages go:Little kidKidTeenagerAdultMiddle AgedOldAnything in the same bracket will look about the same, even if some are 20 or so year gaps.
>>153770427OH NO HE'S USING UP 4CHAN'S BANDWIDTH SOMEONE CALL THE INTERNET POLICE!!!Just kidding, get raped.
>>153770430>>153770431>>153770433>>153770451fuck off this has s already beeen spolied/ Storytimed here>>153737153hell the damn thread is still alive now bug off before we reportyou for spam and flooding.
>>153770471
>>153770326MJ is too good of a person, very unrealistic
>>153770491Nobody cares faggot.
>>153770494
>>153770372took his legs
>>153770485flooding the board is against the rules anon rules exist for a reason.
>>153770508Heh
>>153770379ASM 259 is one of my favorite issues of Spider-Man
>>153770451LMAO, did anyone actually give her any shit for being with Paul?
>>153770529
>>153770505Expect the jannies and mods now purse this matter and foolishness or they will most likely ban your ass for this,
>>153770548
>>153770539No, not on page, maybe in the Jed Mackay Black Cat/Jackpot series
>>153770494>Carl KingLmao, Thousand mentioned.
>>153770568
>>153770491didnt read any spoilers threads retard.Not everyone is online here 24/7 with bots watching threads to outrage in
>>153770592
>>153770494>Carl King canonized
>>153770612>gold fingernailsbruh
>>153770612>>153770539Of course not. No one in ASM had anything to say about it except for Peter
>>153770612>No golden pubesBOOOOOO
>>153770619should be longer nails
>>153770635
>>153770425booba
>>153770592>>153770612Should've been She-VenoMJ.
>>153770579>No, not on page, maybe in the Jed Mackay Black Cat/Jackpot series>>153770635>Of course not. No one in ASM had anything to say about it except for PeterYeah, that's what I thought. Retcons ahoy!
>>153770659If you liked any of that go support your LCS or whatever
>>153770659Eww, it's a skrull! Eat it!
>>153770102Wow, this could almost have had consequences and be interesting. A payoff to the whole secret best friend wanking. Can you imagine? Things happening and mattering?
>>153770612sexxoooo
>>153770250How have they still not fixed the recap page? Who the fuck keeps letting this happen in every issue?
>>153770225Damn, this guy really knows how to draw MJ. Fucking woof.
>>153770768The redactions are intentional. You still get all the necessary information from it.
>>153770539In comics, literally no one. Outside that, everyone reading. The one time Peter called her out on it was when he was possessed by Norman's sins, thus he deliberately presented as the bad guy for doing so. It was super annoying, just like the conversation this issue.It tries to treat Paul as a real character to explain MJ, but no one thinks of Paul as a real character or his relationship with MJ as anything other than random bullshit. You can't explain it, and it just makes people annoyed when you try. MJ would be better off if they just let her take her licks for a while
>>153770612Keep Gomez and I'll read this forever
>>153770123"I'm more spore than man at this point, but you having a clone? NOT BUYING IT."
>>153770451>Also I decided to dress myself like a super sexy survivor. Apocalypse or not, I have a brand to protect.
>>153770894Ewing's a continuity autist. He wanted to do what Stern/DeFalco did back in the 80s to salvage MJ. However, Wolfman left it open enough, and MJ was still mostly unknown enough, that they could tell a decently compelling enough backstory for her to make sense of it all. Here there's nowhere near enough to work with so it just feels pointless.
>>153770581Enjoy your 30 day ban for spam for it's coming your way now.
>>153770917To be fair, he is partially mind-controlled by his own spores. Dude is literally on shrooms.
>>153770784The preview version had it normal. Presumably it is a layering issue in the digital copy.
>>153770947He's playing to Heel to protect MJ from Peter's thought about her maybe killing someone
>>153770417She did? What did I miss
>>153770344So what is Normie up to these days?
>>153770955You seriously reported that?
>>153770998They type it out normally and then do the weird layering. It's been like this since #1, has to be intentional.
>>153771122He’s been hanging out in that new gay avengers academy digital only book. At least he was last I checked
If Ewing wants to write worthless Spider-Slop for an easy paycheck can he at least fuck off and leave the Venom book to somebody who cares?
>>153770494Did Peter just get friendzoned
>>153770943Is there a way to phrase this as a question? They do that monthly thing. I already blew my questions with unrelated stories from the late 90s they will ignore.
>>153771158It’s the same shtick we’ve been seeing for years, over and over and over again. “Peter and MJ are friends, but that friendship might be the foundation for something more…”
>>153771145That's rough.
>>153770407Looks like Ewing's been online, offering an in-story rebuttal to all the people who blame him for his world's apocalypse. No one's done that in-story.>>153770425Smoothly providing an explanation for how he had Paul being poor and mooching off of MJ while Wells had him paying Peter's medical bills like it was nothing.>>153770451And even more response to online criticism.
>>153771140Do people read the print versions to confirm they are actually like that and not an anti-piracy tactic to out yourself if you point it out?
Wow the perspectives in this issue are crazy. I like it
>>153770311What gets me is that he looks kinda pissed and stanced up too. Standing like>goddamnit>fuck you peter, why did you drag me to this>I wish I was at home>beating the fuck out of spiders and jacking it to more Nott porn
>>153771156I mean, he cares enough to write MJ monologuing for six fucking pages to try to explain away Paul. It's just a doomed effort, and MJ as Venom is an uninteresting premise to begin with.
>>153771227The rippers have to buy an issue digitally to get the images, there's no special pirate-only preview page.
>>153770612Finally! How long until Venom gets sick of MJ and Peter dancing around and pulls a forest scene from the first Venom movie?>>153770619>>153770651She’ll probably pull a Lady Deathsrrike when in battle mode or something.
This bad and doesn't resolve anything. Paul will continue to come up for generations to come. So, that a writer can put so much effort into fixing PPMJ(Conway/Spencer) only to have it torpedoed by a misanthrope with a chip on thier shoulder, ruining the character for decades.
>>153770612Downgrade of the centuryTemu Scream
>>153771427Really? Paul's funeral creates a precedent that you can always bury a secular jew as a christian.
>>153771156Agreed, never want to suffer Dylan, cosmic god Venom, independent symbiote and uncharacterized Flash again. Contain symbioteshit.
>>153771478As the superior Temu Scream we need Andi back.
>>153771251>Ewing takes up the challenge of trying to buff out Paul’s extremely obvious flaws and trying to make sense of the contradictory mess that is Paul’s role in the story >Gomez openly shitposts about how much he hates Paul and adds “and don’t come back faggot” on his tombstone
>>153770677I'm She-VenoMJanon and I approve this anon's message.
I think all of Wells' run will essentially be ignored from here on out Sins Past style. That was eventually retconned though, so how would you do the same for Wells?
>>153771682Paul is a Space Phantom.
>>153771682Paul was Mysterio all along. He just wanted MJ to come back to LA so they could hang out and make movies again.
>>153770659And we must defeat General Horde
Carlos boob drawing skills hard carry this issue
>>153771427Conway was anti-marriage.
>>153770690Shut the fuck up Wolverine.
>>153772013I sorta agree with him, like I'd rather Peter not be a father. But after the marriage you can't put the genie back in the bottle, it's too much to go back on
>>153772013He never addressed why Maria Castle has never returned to her maiden name, didn't he?
>>153772013If BND actually used Peter's character from before his marriage, no one would be this anti-OMD. It did not it created a corpo safe version of Peter that still persists.
>>153769380Haha! Peter Parker is such a loser! Ha ha ! Look how much of a fucking loser he is looool
>>153770123You know I don't imagine anyone's surprised by this in the slightest but I really feel like they didn't lean into the secret best friend thing nearly enough what with him being in space and then death spiral. Like where were the issues of them just working together while occasionally someone lurks in the shadows being sinister. Where were the clues, the red herrings, the mystery.
>>153769380Michelle would never leave Peter hanging
What's with all the "Heh."s in the writing?
>>153770070>>153770311That's felicia lol gomez said it was a coloring mistake on Instagram
>>153770268>I didn't even know this guy
>>153772013His renew your vows was great; Conway can be right about one thing and wrong about the other. Saying teenage Peter Parker is more interesting than married Peter is a confused value judgment that only works if you believe the character is about youth. Peter Parker is not about youth; His character and theme is responsibilty.
>>153772475Kelly can't write.
>>153772496It's a rather big colouring mistake then, on the part of D'armata, but that half-palm gloves as a fashion choice do make sense for Felicia
Since editors hate ben reilly anyway and he's not needed for today's spider landscape according to them why not have him face the consequences of his acts instead of dumping on peter? Do they hate pete more than ben after all?
>>153771571What a bulbus vagina!>>153771492Why would I want any jew buried as a christian? How are jews even buried. Arent they just dropped into a vat of salt and disapear?
>>153770529>we didn't want to pull a Gwen StacyDoes Venom know?
>>153772013Peter Parker changed under Stan Lee's time writing him. He went from bookish and somewhat of a jerk to having a circle of friends, his looks went way up, he became resolute about being Spider-Man, and his overall ethics tightened up. Seems like changing over time was part of his beginning.
>>153772120That’s the thing I always said, they attempted to reboot Peter to who he was in the late 70s to early 80s but BND Peter was to much of a bitch. He tolerated to much disrespect and his flaws were being to meek rather than being a hot head>>153772605It has to be misspoken, best spot to keep a Pete that he wants is an early 20s college student. That gives you the school as a setting for stories as well as work and his personal life
>>153770206ASM was very nothing, this is just skin deep but worse cause at least charlie weiderman got actual characterization.>>153770225RIP>>153770471I like how this is an echo of 259, and this part of the convo a decent bit.>>153770494Overall in the context of kelly still on asm this is as good as it could have been imoToo online critique responding without retconning either.>>153771158Eh friend with bacdkoor.>>153771197Well they hadnt really for a bit lol.
>>153770268I laughed.
>>153772013Yes, he's saying peter doesnt work past college. We know this lol. He was in the copypasta.He still did it well.
>>153772766Lee thought superheroes would be another quickly passing fad which is why he had the characters aging real time in the beginning. In 1968, when it was clear they were staying around for a while, he put a stop to that and was the one to coin the term "illusion of change."
>>153772733I guess it would cuase mj does?
>>153772898People misundestand waht illusion of change means, it doesnt mean nothing changes, it means that while stuff changes the central conflicts echo.EG the FF will get crystal as a member instead of sue, but they'll still deal with similar ish conflicts.
>>153772897By this that he thinks that. Anyone have the marvel creator on the marriage copy pasta?
>>153771571based
>>153772013>>153772946HerePeter/MJ Marriage Supporters:>Jim Shooter, head editor>Stan Lee. Who did it in the newspaper strip to begin with and officiated an irl wedding.>John Romita sr. Arguably the most influential spider-man artist of all time, constantly spoke positively of the marriage.>Defalco. Originally he was against it, but came around to it pretty fast to the point he wrote it even after it got erased.Shit talked quesada for getting rid of it.>JMD who considered it the soul of the single most critically acclaimed spider-man story and still says they're married today.>Michelini who wrote the marriage itself and has never expressed dislike of it despite being mixed on it originally>JMS who made the relationship key to the overall run and one of the most important parts of it>Mark Millar. Whose only time writing a mainline spider-man story had the marriage with MJ at a central position.>Bendis. Who publicly defended the marriage as a natural point for the character in wizard>Todd macfarlne. Just as an excuse to draw a hot redhead but still.>Sauvik. Draws the marriage stuff even on his own time>Ron Frenz. Probably tied to spider-girl more than anything, but always supported it>Ollife. Expressed similar thoughts as frenz>Peter David. Has only spoken positvley about it and has peter refer to MJ as the most important person to him.>Sacasa. Was so against erasing the marriage he literally had god tell peter not to do it>Fraction. Was so against it he wrote a one shot to celebrate peter and mj and one of two eisner winning spider-man stories>George Perez. Publicly supported it
>>153772980Neutral/its complicated>Mackie. He didn't mind the marriage but thought that peter was still written too young for it and not allowed to progress>Roger stern. He didn't mind peter being married, but thought mj was not the ONE. Which is ironic since he brought her back after 6 years.>JRJR its kind of hard to really know. He's worked on both anti and pro marriage runs. He seems to like drawing her, but that's kinda the end of it. He's said himself he likes gwen more but being dead so, yeah complicated for sure.>Conway. Likes MJ a lot, and was the guy who pushed her as main LI, and wrote the marriage stuff. But also doesn't have an issue with the marriage being written out. But by his own words he checked out of spider-man mentally when he stopped being a teen.>Zradsky. His works always have peter and mj in a relationship or ending in one, but he's also said he models MJ after his ex-wife...so mixed. Although his one 616 MJ moment in his spec run had peter motivated by her to do the impossible.>Larsen. Loves drawing MJ but thinks that peter is a teenager's fantasy and that marriage has no place there.>Jenkins. Prefers gwen but has said he sees MJ as the second-best fit.>Glen. As long as he could write some goblins he gave no shit.>Grant Morrison. Was willing to do a story during it, but clearly has said only ditko spider-man matters.
>>153772991Opposed>Jim oswley. Thought the marriage made spidey too old and ruined his friendship with shooter over it.>Bob Harras. Thought the marriage made spidey too old.>John bryne. Thought the marriage made spidey too old>Slott. Thought the marriage made spidey too old. Thinks its too much of a finale for spider-man and that it should NEVER have happened.>Quesada. Thought the marriage made spidey too old an unrelatable>Breevort. Thought the marriage made spidey too old and kneecaped the "inherent" conflict of the character>Busiek. Thought the marriage made spidey too old.>Dan Didio. Hated all comic book marriages (even reed/sue). >Waid, Tought the marriage made spidey too old and unrelatable>Wells. Thinks the marriage is too much of an ending for spider-man. Makes him too old>Van lente. Thought the marriage made spider-man too old.>Guggeingheim. Thought the marriage made spider-man too old>Brubaker. Felt the marriage didn't let him tell as story he wanted with spider-man (never wrote it).>John semper: Said spider-man getting the girl ends the story.>Wolfman: Hates MJ.
>>153772821>>153772766I mentioned it in a thread a bit ago but I really just want to see him get mad again.
>>153772939It means you can't have characters with a status quo that's different from what appears on merchandise, movies, tv shows.>"For the last year or two, Lee had conveyed to his writers that Marvel's stories should have only 'the illusion of change,' that the characters should never evolve too much, lest their portrayals conflict with what licensees had planned for other media."
>>153773003Modern supporters>Pat Gleason. To the point he still calls her mary jane watson parker in interviews and drew her with a wedding ring with peter in beyond's covers.>Carlos Gomez. Publicly shit talked the current run for splitting them up and said he'd always view them as a couple.>Kaare Andrews. Publicly said they would always get back together and wrote a story where mj's death is the single most traumatic thing for peter.>Danny Khazheem. Who called married spider-man "his" spider-man in the letter's page for Lost Hunt.>Adam Huges: Expressed that he's a supporter of it as well, said mj is the hottest civilian gf too>Coates: Wrote an article defending the marriage>Cates: Liked stuff shitting on editorial for being anti marriage, generally 90s-kid>George R martin (okay not a comic writer but still). Publicly shit talked marvel for getting rid of the marriage.>Kevin Feigue. Dude flat out said so in the 900 interviews
>>153772980Quesada said that Bendis and Millar were involved in the plotting of OMD so they can't be too pro-marriage.
>>153773017Sure, just saing one's substanitally more in line with how it was intepreted.And even if he did..so what? This was a concept for a bit of time that wasnt upheld when marvel started utterly dominating in the 80s (marvel's single most CHANGE era). Its just an excuse used by a specific gen for their stuff.Not lumping conway in it, cause i think he's generally good, even if i disagree with him on this.
I'd like to think that even the then detractors of it would have come around on it if only out of a sense of professionalism. Because here's the thing, when you look at it from the perspective of the time, I do understand the apprehension. It's a big change. But once it happened it was only a net positive.
>>153772980What about him?
>>153773096>My costume design
>>153773078Bendis shat on OMD the moment he left marvel and was one of three writers who at the time came to the marriage's defense in interviews...Millar plotted civil war which used to justify it, two different things. Quesada also has a vested intrest in making it seem more people supported OMD, cause, it was his thing. Neither has expressed that on their own, and in fact expressed the opposite.
>>153773133Well she didnt patent it.
>>153770612I like the tits and the hair but the venom teeth does not work here.
>>153773109Bill Jemas did not see it that way when he became president of Marvel in the early 00s.
>>153773078Because he's there boss. Christopher Priest was heavily involved with killing Iron Fist but clearly didn't want to.
>>153773133That one is government property. It is fine.
>>153770505Wrong
>>153773139Quesada specifically said>>Close to two years ago at one of our creative summits, the seeds of that idea began to blossom. Those ideas were then taken and a two week long e-mail chain began where we started to throw around ideas until we got the story kind of where we wanted it to be. The guys involved in all of this from the beginning were Joe (Michael Straczynski), Bendis, Millar, Loeb, Tom Brevoort, Axel Alonso and myself. It then all carried over to the next summit, at which Ed Brubaker and Dan Slott also had some stuff to add.If Bendis ever directly disputed this version of events, I'd like to see it.
>>153773187Yes bill jemas, notoriously a good editor, that wasnt fired because he did a bad job. And its hilarious when married spidey sold more than the stuff after.Also shitting on grey hulk that's horrid taste.>>153773109Sadly just not how these things work. Do think its funny how the same people were then suprised people DIDNT come around on perpetually single spidey afterwards.
>>153773139>>153773234I can quite easily see people like Bendis acting like massive corporate yes men in the moment and then changing their tune when he sees it was controversial.
>>153773234Again, he has the most incentive to separate himself from it. Trusting quesada to be honest about this is honestly kinda dumb.Also OMD is just superman millenium anyways. It wasnt an original idea.No, but bendis was defending the marriage back in 2008. So, says more than everything else.
>>153772980>>153772991>>153773003>overall the most talented people to work with the character are in favor of marriage or neutral>the worst people are against the marriageCoincidence? Also, those people say the marriage holds the characters back but how many defining or extremely high quality stories do we have post bnd?
>>153769948I'm pretty sure a drop ceiling like that can't support a full grown man hanging off it.
>>153773269This was before it was controversial, we are talking a wizard interview, wizard, the guys who shat on the marriage every article. Now can i imagine bendis going along with it cause yesman? Sure, just saying, it wasnt years later. It was the same year.
>>153773266People aren't going to want to turn their back on decades of character development. Because this is the thing with the marriage. Whether people liked it or didn't it actually gave something to the book. It actually gave something to the characters. Putting the debate if he should be single or not to the side what have we actually gotten in the past decades? What was the big development? They took away something a lot of people loved and then replaced it with nothing. At it's best the post marriage Spidey series has just been white noise.
>>153773266Jemas was a great president who helped Marvel get its market share back. Things got worse after he got fired, not because he was doing a bad job, but because he was trying to grab too much power and influence outside of the comics. He was a counterbalance to Quesada's fanboyism.
>>153773316Eh stern's an all timer and he's neutral/against (like weird type of against), but there is something lol.>>153773361I mean i agree, im just saying, even ifits better there's always going to be people who dislike changes. And i'm sure when (not if) they reinstate it, there will be some people who wont be huge on it. I do agree on the analysis overall though, i think the marriage is a natural path of his development.
>>153773409Bill jemas was fired because he failed to do basic synergy with their biggest movie ever from what ive read.And eh, marvel still had the lead, they were just bankrupt and sold their parts.Though again, the grey hulk take is way dumber than the spidey one, cause joe ficit hulk's awesome.
>>153773409>counter to fanboyisim>expresses the most fanboy views imaginableAnon...
>>153773133
There's this assumption that kids can't or won't identify with an older protagonist but I really can't see that being the case. Most kids will have an older male figure in their life, a father a brother, an Uncle Ben, etc. They can latch onto that just fine. And let's be blunt, even when Peter was a kid, he wasn't really allowed to be much of one. Regular kids don't have to get jobs to take care of their family. Peter had to grow up before he grew up. Letting him continue to grow, but this time in a more happy way really does seem like it was the best evolution. It was his big win. And let's just be completely honest, does anyone think that when kids were playing Spider-man they were fantasizing about going to school and being a kid? No. they were fantasizing about swinging through the city and punching out Dock Ock.
>>153772733it's rather ironic is it not that sins past got undone but not OMD guess it just shows which girl marvel prefers in adddtion they later made MJ a cheater and a murderer. They are even making trouble canon now gosh life is just full surprises is it not? and guess what we at marvel have a few in more store for you one of which involve a certain blond girl. I think you can guess where I am going with this stay tuned for more developments coming your way spider-man fans.
>>153773551I mean ultimate was an elegant solution to that, main book has adult peter, side continuity has pereptually teen peter.
>venom book>all anybody can talk about is the same stale spider-slop shipbait that was old a decade agoGrim
Anyways buckley's gone, so id be shocked if CB isnt fired within the year.
>>153773611Does anyone care about the setup for queen in black?
>>153772991I don't get Gwen's appeal.
>>153773449They lost their market share to DC at the turn of the century.Milgrom was the guy who turned Hulk gray and intelligent again, Peter David inherited that and made the best of it. He understandably believes it's too different from the core concept the Hulk evolved into and could/should have been done with a different character.
Okay smart guys. How would you fix the book(s)? No alternate universe or reboot or it was just a dream.
>>153773590If you really want to go back and tell young Peter stories it's super easy to have a flash back, or do an Untold Tales. You can have both.
>>153773611The Peter and MJ "Ship" has been around since Ditko.
>>153773647Introductory silver age LI.>>153773652Noted! Does help another thing of mine of marvel only changing when dc beats them lmao, thanks.Eh, i think it was a solid idea with milgrom too. And PAD made diamonds out of it and hulk's psycology, so to me saying its too different is just an overly surface level read of stuff. Really wouldnt ahve worked if it was another character lol.>>153773684ATP Start the next run with peter and mj as a couple, give one or two lines to explain it, dont dwell on it too much. Give peter a job of teaching different kids as an assitant teacher, while he also takes photos on the side. Have norman be gobby again, idea i had was to make him pul an OMIT and turn the tables making everyone else forget he's goblin. Do a scorpion centric story cause my guy mac deserves it. Start witha focus on more meat and potatoes spidey stuff before going into the deeper stuff at around the first year.If MJ's still venom play with it and peter for a bit by putting the shoe on the other foot.>>153773739Yeah, BND could have worked as an untold style book set in the post woflman era lol
>>153769840Matt's an attorney whose own secret identity has bounced in and out of the public knowledgeI like to assume he knows that he doesn't know anymore, assumes that there's a good reason for that, and doesn't ask because if he ever needed he could find Spider-Man easily and otherwise he doesn't need to know. They've always been friends in costume, they're not street clothes pals.
>>153773684Bring Paul back, give him Peter's powers, have him impregnate all of Peter's love interests, permanently kill Peter off.
>>153773684Make it good
>>153773684You remember that episode of the simpsons where Homer sells his soul to the devil for a donut and they have a trial to see who gets what? Well do that except replace Homer with Spidey, Soul with Marriage, and Lionel Hutz with Daredevil.
Ends with Mayday punching the Devil.
They're still being too soft on MJ. They need a villain to or something to hit her in the emotional juggular.>He would have waited for you.
>>153773684>Spider-slopDon't care>VenomGet rid of all the spider-slop characters and get the symbiote back to a Brock
>>153774177Imo the thing is that its just such bizarre unnatural circustances that are designed backwards just to justify them not being a thing, you know?Though that could work, would depend on the execution i guess.
>>153774177This.I truly believe Peter would have just waited, this needs to be pointed out to her. To him. Peter is now the more dogged and loyal person in the relationship, it's a painful elephant in the room that Peter is always the pursuer whilst MJ is the trophy to be won. It would be nice to have Peter keep her at arms length whilst MJ is the one trying to win back both his (and the embittered audiences) trust, and a refreshing change of pace.But nah, we're friends because Ewing says so. BEST FRIENDS. Last time we did something together? Fucking years.But hey its comic books it's not like characterisation used to matter in Spider-Man.Also if MJ thought he was dead, what the fuck was that cold fish reaction Ewing?
>>153774314Peter didnt when he was dating carlie cooper.
There was a Superman story in the 2000 where he and Wonder Woman get trapped in asgard to fight an invading army for nearly 1000 years. Superman starts to forget he was Clark, and can't even remember Lois' name or appearance, only the longing in his heart for his true love, that even when Diana tries to kiss him, he refuses, not wanting to betray the woman whose face he can't remember.
>>153774336Peter in a committed 'soul mate' relationship got thrown into another dimension with only one other woman in the world who he eventually fell in love with and chose over Carlie?
>>153774314Eh, i get the angle, that peter not knowing about the time dilation would have also thought she was dead, probably? But its just so unnatural as a direction.They had done stuff after that, hell after DL they were pretty cordial again. (Almost as if mj being cold to peter didnt match the final idea of what happened in the story lol).Tbh, she apologizes for that, and how she hurt him. Is it clunky? 100 percent. But its something. And its really the biggest thing. As is, it was framed as mj and "longing", was it expressed well? No wells and jrjr are the worst combo for that.Even in that example you have mj "..." which implies she's not all right lol.
>>153774379>Superman>the single most moral person in existenceAnon...
>>153774379DC characters are in general more loyal.Which isn't saying much, and they aren't much higher on the bar, but still.
>>153773003Waid doesnt hate the marriage, he hates how little to none buildup was made, unlike Wally and Linda who is still the best buildup and marriage ever, also how Wally literally won against his own OMD.
>>153770004So it's really going to turn out he's Ben's son from a previous relationship or when Ben and May were separated or something. Yawn.
>>153774403Peter was in a comitted relationship with carlie, and he got sent to the wild west with wolverine and a random woman, where he fell for said woman and almost married her. She then forgot about the adventure but it ends with peter almost visiting her. Its close enough.
>>153774425No waid hates the marriage, said as much in a recent interview. He's come to accept clark/lois despite also disliking it but said OMD was the right move. He's also a huge gwenfag so makes sense.
>>153774404Some writer in the next gen if they wish to score some points with the fans and free publicity is going to bring up the fact that Paul knew about the time dilation, and chose to keep it to himself. Even if it was only a possibility, just because he wanted to hasten MJ moving on.
>>153774494I can see it, though atsm, paul's gone now, and the next non BND writer will garanteed put peter/mj back togheter right away. So not sure what would be accomplished by doing so. But it is likley.
>>153774493Waid was literally part of the pitch to do OMD for superman lol. Its not about execution, just his preference. And wally acts as a weird exception for him, as he's the only non bronze age purist character he seems to like writing.
>>153773629All omd fags had to go and marvel needs to open full relationship with DC
>>153774403>>153774472Also the 3 times he had fake lives and kids with Gwen
>>153774589Well he also had one with mj back when she was dead.
>>153774472I'm talking about the Peter/MJ relationship, not whatever nonsense writers do with the stand-ins like Shay or forced replacements like Carlie that didn't take.Peter is the pursuer always apologising and making things up to MJ, the guy who would have waited for her. MJ who since OMD is just a different person.MJ used to be the rock upon which he could steady and be vulnerable to, now she apparently lacks the nuts for Superhero life>and then works for Tony>and then gets back with Peter>and then Wells>and then she is a SuperheroShe doesn't have a character post OMD, that's why all she's become is a flanderized bunch of catch-phrases trying to ape her spirit when she had one.
>>153770311>Why is Norman at this Funeral?To make sure he's really dead.
>>153774754Just saying in the most similar circumstances peter behaved like that.
>>153774063look just fuck off wil you people are sick gf your stupid fanction as it is in addtion it does not bring back the marriage so just bug off.
>>153774878How's stuff in poland?
>>153774063>Ends with Mayday punching the Devil.How about it end ends with you being banned for spam get the fuck out of here or that is how it will end.
>>153774754>She doesn't have a character post OMDdoes anyone? Peter is consistently muh guilt muh responsibility but when it actually comes time for him to be responsible for something there's always an excuse
>>153770471So we’re just not gonna address the whole thing of her cutting him off for months to the point of not even being willing to get a coffee with him because of “responsibility”. Gotta love how all that shit from the beginning of Wells run just got swept under the rug
>>153774902how's the marriage today oh dear still gone right?
>>153774948
>>153774425Wally and Linda are the best couple period, and really really pertinent to Spider-man.
>>153774948>still gone right?Just like the readers.
>>153774932There's a reason the apology has no specifics and gets cut short by Peter falling over himself to be a doormat saying she doesn't need to apologize. For anything ever, apparently.There is no explanation, only a hand-wave of both barrels thrashing around and now everyone is Best Friends again.We can't have maturity, accountability or anything actually made of the drama of the fertile shit from the last four years, as that would embarrass Lowe who still believes we were just reading it wrong.New. Fucking. Office.
>>153774948Like Poland in space.
>>153774972I really need a palate cleanser, have you some good romance arcs in Flash to recommend DC friend? It's time I came home.
>>153774932I think that is meant to be that she didn't want to risk it when she had the kids. Since those were her responsibility. And she liked peter too much. Seems implied. But yes bad
>>153769796>>153769810>>153769840Kelly writing Daredevil is always nice to read.
>>153774975As >>153774562 said it'd waids one exception. And remember they did split them for a while in rebirth.
>>153775029Wally and Linda's entire relationship is pretty great so I can't pinpoint specific issues off hand. Honestly if you want a pallet cleanser I'd just say the whole book really. That's from issue 129 and the specific story started in 127 or so. You might also want to check out the tale end of Williamson's run and Jeremy Adams stuff for something a bit newer but you get a lot of Wally being the family man we wanted Peter to be. They really corrected hard on that Heroes in Crisis shit for Wally. He even got a third kid out of the deal.
>>153774992Yeah well a certain blond won't be gone for much longer oh yes she is coming along with another old friend of peter's I am sure you know which one right? yes just wait untill you read the ending to ASM 1000 >fans jaws drop in shock and disbelif
>>153775123Tom Brevoort already made sure Gwen is never coming back. It's over.
>>153775123
>>153775020At least we polish people have been in space unlike you and we are proud of it.
>>153775159Yeah that rocket to the sun you sent at night was a real success. How's the screen door submarine?
>>153775121Thanks friend, the sound of Spider-Man's rusted hamster wheel is too much right now. See you all when the purge finally hits the office.
>>153775145Tom Brevoort has no power over anything any longer rumor has it he will be getting the boot just like Dan Buckley did.R.I.P.
>>153775029Start Flash vol 2 issue 1 .The first 10 issues has problems but made the development better
>>153775228It's kind of hilarious to look back at what an asshole Wally was.
Peter's cousin is a lame villain lmaohttps://aiptcomics.com/2026/05/20/marvel-amazing-spider-man-1000-2/
>>153775303you'd think they'd have learned after that whole mess with his sister. and with his parents. or just in general.
>>153775303This is such an ugly cover god damn it's like someone used an AI prompt for Spider-Man, Web-Swinging'
>>153774494the funniest retcon would be making paul canonically have no dick and the "intimacy" he talked about being hugs
>>153775380>By the greatest mindsThey got Roger Stern and JMD!
>>153775450No only jmd.
>>153772980Based>>153772991Based glenberg >>153773003Why are opposed always saying the same shit
>>153775460It's honestly more than I was expecting.
>>153775380terrible
>>153775489Only good spot. Him and gleason.
>>153770451>>153770425Fuck she's so stupid and self-centered. Good this thing is contained to venom crappiest run only.
>>153775496It's pretty good by modern JRJR standards. Which is sad.
>Marvel unleashes ‘Amazing Spider-Man’ #1000 with all-star creators and a shocking new villain>Teased yesterday, Marvel Comics has revealed its big plans as Spider-Man reaches the coveted #1000th issue. Following Detective Comics and Action Comics, this is only the third time a major superhero has reached 1,000 issues. This September, Marvel Comics celebrates the 1000th issue of Amazing Spider-Man, and the publisher is aiming to make it one of its biggest releases ever.>Amazing Spider-Man #1000 will be anchored by a major story from Joe Kelly and Pepe Larraz. The issue will wrap up key threads from their current run while setting the stage for what comes next. Beyond that, the oversized release will include additional anniversary stories from a wide range of creators, mixing longtime Spider-Man veterans with newer voices. The lineup includes John Romita Jr., Frank Miller, Peach Momoko, Stuart Immonen, Brian Michael Bendis, Dan Slott, J.M. DeMatteis, Patrick Gleason, Marcos Martin, and Noah Hawley, who is making his Marvel Comics debut.>The main cover pairs John Romita Jr. with Paolo Rivera for the first time, while a variant by Larraz offers a first look at a brand-new villain named Ravage.The issue will see Spider-Man facing one of his toughest challenges yet, as Ravage enters the scene with a power that could reshape Peter Parker’s understanding of himself and his legacy. The story is positioned as a deeply personal conflict that will have lasting consequences moving forward.“Writing AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1000 has stirred up a lot of emotions for me, but gratitude is chief among them,” Kelly shared. “It’s a true honor to have the opportunity to contribute to Spidey’s legacy with a huge milestone like this. And special bonus – we get to introduce a new villain?! Amazing. Ravage is layered and complex and mysterious, and I can’t wait to unleash him on the readers with this monumental issue!”
>>153773078Millar wanted to use pete revealing his identity for civil war and was only given the go ahead after editorial decided to soft reboot the marriage away
>>153775652>RavageDon't we have a Ravage? Don't we have MULTIPLE RAVAGES?!
>>153775303Making Uncle Ben's son a bad guy is pretty funny desu
>>153772980>>153772991>153773003nobody cares about your shitty paste, schizo.
>>153775652Amazing Spider-Man #1000 arrives this September, with more details on the issue’s creators and story still to come.The issue will see Spider-Man facing one of his toughest challenges yet, as Ravage enters the scene with a power that could reshape Peter Parker’s understanding of himself and his legacy. The story is positioned as a deeply personal conflict that will have lasting consequences moving forward.
>>153775652>Frank Miller That might be interesting
>>153775744In the way a train wreck is
>>153775744it won't
>>153775652
>>153775789Yeah, those can be interesting, better than the writer for Alien Earth writing Spider-Man
>>153775843It could but it won't since Frank Miller is past his prime.
>>153770680>If you liked any of that go support your LCS or whatever
>>153775691It has 5 responses. Seems people care. And is a paste enough to make someone a schizo? Not even polish
>>153775927Same here I think will support DC and skybound instead hell even disney comics are better then this crap.
>>153775652Romita doing this half hearted shit is telling and none of the people behind making this book stopping and saying to him that the pose needs to actually be good is proof there is only apathy and/or incompetence behind those walls of those offices.
>>153775217Tom Brevoort sucks fat cock on the reg but that's only a rumor thoughbeit.
>>153775883Even Miller at his worst isn't as bad as that show is, Miller is somehow more subtle even at his most obvious.
>>153770086Rizz XD
Does anyone else like Peter Parker more than Spider Man? like instead of getting Spider variants we could get Peter Variants AUs. like one where he is a cop or a doctor or something.
>>153776087Sounds like a soulful old-/co/ thread idea where anons try to surmise Peter's specific character traits, desires, preferences, and try to think up new ones or subtract ones they don't like. Kind of like when MJ said she liked kung-fu fighting as a song for them to dance to. Eccentricities and specifics like that.
>>153770612And there it is, they just ruined venom even more
>>153773316>Coincidence?This is one of the rare times I think even the most even handed psychoanalyst would have to admit there's a discernible pattern.
>>153776208We don't do character beats like that anymore.
>>153775843Hawley used to be great, Legion was fantastic.
>>153774970Why did they add this? All it does is serve to make the two of then worse for doing it.
>>153775998No buckely confirmed he's leaving.
>>153776488That's exactly why they did it to piss off fans even more.
>>153776488Drama. Marvel was always about drama-maxing.
>>153772096I think they absolutely could have gotten away with it if they just stopped teasing with MJ all the damn time.>ooh, look at Jackpot? Could she be MJ?>ooh, bet you want to know how Peter and MJ broke up in this reality, right? Better buy OMIT!>ooh, MJ is back to the books. Could they be getting back together?Like, just stop. >>153772475Heh
>>153776638Not sure. No one would have forgotten it. See other shit.
>>153775303Why do they keep using Shocking in advertisements to upcoming comics? At least in Death Spiral is was because Shocker dies in it.
>>153773015It's something that's really missing. Peter has a shitty life sometimes. It's okay to be mad about it because then the reader experiences catharsis through him.
>>153776672Lowe knows 5 words anon. Please understand.
>>153776682In this context it'd just be excessive. And it's someone he loves. Agree though.
>>153776418So are some seasons of fargo
>>153774472Sara is unironically his best post OMD relationship. Holy shit, I felt so bad for him.
>>153776638Because these hack-frauds want to have the sales draw of MJ and make her disposable too.They are burning the good will of the previous decades to keep this bizarre cover-girl shell giving sales bumps. Is amusing and depressing that's all MJ has become now, for all their enlightened talk in the Spider-Office they are just using her body to sell variants.
>>153776087Agent Parker seems like a zero-effort one.
>>153776751Credit due they were a couple for 4 years there. It's just bndfags. They want her to be the unattainable girl.
>>153775980I miss DC storytime anon, no one has took his place since his GPU fried, aquaman was good shit.
>>153775681Kind of fits. Nature vs Nurture and all that. He didn't get the great power, great responsibility lessons.
>>153775680He's going to live in a man's chest along with Frenzy.
>>153776638Does anyone like the original jackpot?
>>153776821It's so vacuous.
>>153776993Nope. No one liked the second one either, who is technically the first. That's right. MJ is the third Jackpot.
>>153769380That's a dick move, Pete
>>153770268Love how the funeral is filled with people who don't give a fuck about Paul.Feels tastefully parodical.
>>153770502Grim on your behald
>>153770326Such a shame that Dylan being aware of Venom mentally blocks him from going for it
>>153769380>>153769861
>>153770425>You do and she's currently an evil goblin lady. And you've done nothing to try and fix thatThat's a regular problem around the modern Spider-Cast. Most of them have been unfairly fucked over cape shit that could be easily solved yet nobody lifts a finger about it.
>>153770529Fuck V
>>153777024nobody likes marvel comics now either.
>>153776282cry even more
>>153770612>>153770680>Don't you think giving Venom red hair would be an easy giveaway to MJ's secret identity?>Make her tits smaller>BRILLIANT!
>>153770068That's a cool introduction to the extent of his powers.I'm willing to forgive introducing a secret best friend he never mentioned in 60 years of stories because I always welcome positive elements introduced in Peter's life. I'm even enjoying Glitch and Raelith.I'm willing to forgive if Peter somehow manages to convince him to believe the clone talk and clear the misunderstandings but the way this is going this guy is going full evil which is lame. He's even doing the "actually I always pitied you for being orphan but I liked you enough" bit.
maybe the way to save Marvel is like tthis let them get into the porn industry. they can make porn parody movies then they can do hot porn comics. I mean let's face it given how shit their books are this could be the only option left for them.
>>153777360The problem isn't the friend the problem is they haven't really focused on him. Peter's been too distracted. It doesn't work with the In space shit.
Will Peter be the father who STEPPED UP for dylan now that he needs a father figure?
>>153775046Even if that’s what’s meant, that’s still dumb as fuck. Like, imagine the man you love basically moving heaven and earth, burning numerous bridges and having to rely on his former arch nemesis for help to save you and the thanks you give is to brush him off and cut him out of your life to the point of not even being willing to catch up over a cup of coffee even after he saves your life from a psychotic android. For once, it would be nice if Marvel would just acknowledge that MJ was a shitty person to Peter and not halfass it by acting like Peter has anything to apologize for when he did nothing wrong yet got shit on by her
>>153777303Holy crap, Venom is Hope Summers.
>>153777443Porn generally gets the characterization a lot more right.
>>153770425This really makes MJ and Dylan look like a dick for treating Paul like a mooch if he was giving all his shit away to help the people his dad fucked over.>>153770407Same with exonerating him from his dad's genocide. They him them shit on paul because they knew the readers hated him why do all this
>>153773582Are you retarded? Green Goblin killing Gwen is Spider Gwen propaganda now. Mephisto killed Gwen Stacy, not Norman. You supporting Spider Gwen means that Gwen Stacy should not be revived and multiverse refugees should stay.
>>153774063God this would be so kino. The only issue is that it's referencing something Slott wrote
>>153777854no it would not.
>>153770425This entire thing is 5 years too late. This should have been done a year after Paul was introduced.
>>153776638they cant get rid of her because she is a part of the Spider Man mythos. But now Paul is apart of the Spider Man Mythos via MJ so we will definitely see him again.
>>153778046This mythos argument doesn't work for Mephisto but keep burying secular jews as christians I guess.
>>153775652How do I shot web ahh pose
>>153774063Marvel wants you to forget mayday exists for whatevef reason
>>153778046Paul will return precisely becuase he is jewhs and raped dylan brock.
>>153769458Holy Based.
>>153777450The event probably didn't help. Kelly pretty much said he had to chance some of his plans. Maybe if not for Torment, this whole Spore thing would have been expanded on a little more.
Does anyone actualluy care about what is going on in the kelly run?
So the hellgate thing is probably gonna be resolved at the end of the Kelly run right? Kinda weird we're gonna have the MOST TERRIFYING VILLAIN YET for 1000 before that
>>153770004Watch this, Lis. You can actuallypinpoint the second when his heart rips in half.And... now.
>>153772898Stan's the one who married peter and mj anon
>>153778886Torment sapped the enjoyment outta the book for me but I sorta enjoy the run. Now that the space arc is over and ben is gone I'm not so sure
>>153770268>eternally
>>153770451LOL, what a skankWHERE'S MY RESIDUALS FOR PENNING THAT ONE???
>>153779209>I suffered too!>off panel, tell don't show is very crucial in comic books>from my work-friends>MJ is working?Ewing, I know you didn't want her to crawl through glass to apologies, but this is just fucking NOTHING.
>>153769328variant covers for this issueThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 Francesco Manna VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 Greg Land Civil War Celebration VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 Lee Bermejo Amazing Visions VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 Nereida Magic: the Gathering VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 Simone Di Meo What If...? VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 1:25 Greg Land VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 1:50 Nereida Magic: the Gathering Virgin VariantThe Amazing Spider-Man #29 1:100 Lee Bermejo Amazing Visions Virgin Variant
>>153770225ABSOLUTE venom variant covers for this issue:Venom #258 Daniel Dos Santos Magic: the Gathering VariantVenom #258 Elizabeth Torque VariantVenom #258 1:25 Sergio Fernández Dávila VariantVenom #258 1:50 Daniel Dos Santos Magic: the Gathering Virgin Variant
What is realistically Raelith's future?Just being killed for drama for the inevitable next hellgate arc or c-list supporting character that appears every once in large while?
>>153779332Joins a super team with the shield guy.
>>153779332She gets fat while maratoning Lost and goes into a diabetic comma
>>153777775Marvel should resurrect Paul as Venmo-Man.
>>153779844Immune against Earth diseases, but not diet.
>>153775652Beyond parody that the big idea for 1k is..cobalt blue/lincoln march but worse.
>>153779079Tbh they live in a world where you can ressurect.
>>153769970Look if this means Robbie might find out and potentially actually get to be in ASM again I'm all for it
>>153778939In a comic strip with a different continuity intended for much older readers as a stunt to get more interest in it.
>>153775652>No DeFalco>No SternBros...
>>153780102And irl. And thenbrought the marriage back in the strip after people complained.
>>153770326It remains very funny that MJ will never forgive Eddie ever for scaring her that one time, while she's completely gotten over that time Felicia broke into her house, held her up by the neck and threw across the room
>>153770326Straight S
>>153770451Reminder that because paul inexplicably alludes to the time dilation he just kept that shit to himself and didn't tell mj. The whole reason paul is treated so well in the narrative is because otherwise he'd be Marcus 2
>>153780174She knew Felicia and competed with her over Peter's love. She wasn't afraid of her because she had half a mind to fight her if need be. It's also made clear that there were trying their best to move past that and eventually became friends and close confidants.Compared to Eddie of whom only ever showed up for violent retribution once in a blue moon, yeah, she's going to have a different idea of him.
I don't understand how MJ is so hot when drawn as a civilian but looks like complete trash as Venom. They dropped the ball hard.
>>153780257So 20-odd years from now, a writer will introduce a new Paul who is one of many sequential children of his father's previous incarnation and have complex feelings with Mary Jane?
>>153779291My buddy found me this 1:50 for $5 today because we've found out one of our local shops has completely inept staff.
>>153776412Why not seems like fun.>>153776208how would you set up the OP
>>153780793When I was in my local store today, I noticed that the pile for Venom was really high, so I was thinking someone must have ordered one of those variants like that. Turns out it was just stacking multiple months on top of each other.
>>153770086>Physical control which I have not used to it's full potential bacause I'm a gentleman.Just do it, fag
>>1537756802099 and the Hulk villain, yes.
>>153773684Well with the John Byrne X-men book coming out it makes me think, instead of trying to push a new BND why not push a pre OMD AU that's identical to before the split.
>>153773831They should keep burying secular jews as christians instead.
Mary Jane met Miguel O'Hara, who's from another universe and from the year 2099, so she knows time works differently in other universes.
>>1537828032099 is in the future, but it doesn't move any faster relative to 616
Is it wrong for to say I want Peter and mj married again I just don’t give a fuck about thier kids and stupid bullshit they bring
>>153783354This is my stance. I don't want them to have a kid, I don't want some spider-family, and I don't want peter to retire and pass on "the mantle"
Paul is still in charge of overseeing his father. Paul is still a neglectful faggot and murderer that let the bad guy get the nukes. You can gaslight retarded redditors but you can't gaslight me, Nig Lowe. Also you can't get under the table tech jobs, not when there are AIs and interns that can do the job for free.
>>153770494Poor little Paulbros… Flash is never becoming Paul 2.0. He’ll be keeping Paul’s legs though, he needs them for being a superhero and being a cool dad for Dylan, whom he would never ever try to rape.
>>153783426Paul Rabin is a social commentary on Israel and Samson option. It explains why that secular jew was buried as a christian, he wanted to redeem his evil lineage by committing holocaust using nukes but it ended up being an overkill genocide.
>>153781174Good.>>153780534Gomez can't into drawing the head of Venom, the design is shit, and they had it be a male body for like a year. They are taking a step in the right direction but these retarded hacks need female hair sticking out otherwise they have an aneurysm because they can't conceive of something different or I dunno, making it black, inplying/showing her hair is getting covered by the symbiote. The symbol sucks and it is criminal how they haven't given her fashion items *ahem* fashioned from the symbiote itself. Also they are fags and think that children are suddenly reading comics when in the past they threw gore and horrific shit into these books and now suddenly Disney is controlling them on a tighter leash so that means boring safe stuff. No sexiness.>>153779312Good riddance to this shit.Fucking trannoid editor and writer.>>153780888Trips, checked. Maybe Flatman from GLA could be a good pic. Ask anons if their favorite character is 1-dimensional or if they think their writing sensibilities are so good, then they should practice coming up with character/plot ideas regarding characters who are seen as "flat" or "boring" like Jean Grey. What can be done to deepen them? Peter isn't uninteresting or flat. But I think what Marvel has done for 20 years now is reduce him to a parody/sorry excuse of a character.
>>153783654>whom he would never ever try to rape.This is what angers the average Paulfag the most.
>>153783354>>153783417Faggots
>>153783354kids would have been the next logical step after marriage. If this shit didn't get fucked sideways we probably would have had one or two.
>>153784628There was no desire for that coming from any writer.
>>153784628Mayday only happened because they were going to retire Peter and replace him with Ben
>>153769380>Retarded writer doesnt know how to write the actual Spider-Man cast so he's gonna set them aside so he can write his OCsWe need better people writing ASM
>>153780138But Slott gets an entry. No reason to buy this shit anon. Lowe needs to fucking leave.
>>153780138I'd even take a Bill Mantlo or Al Milgrom over the hacks today
Forgot to post this one here>>153784879Ehhh, defalco's expressed it later.>>153783354Its fair, i dont think its necessary, i think its a lgoical step but i dont think there should be a rush.>>153783417Tbh if the kid is a baby that wouldnt be a thing lol.
>>153784960That might be so, but since then defalco's changed his mind on it, and it was during the push pull started with making him young again. Which when the marriage comes back will probably not be a factor realistically.
>>153787679It doesn't have to be immediate but they were still married for a decent while. get them married, let them have a kid and then kill off aunt may.
>>153787870I think it'd be nice for sure, just dont think its mandatory, though i do think that it will eventually happen.
>>153788129At this point I'd be happy with them back together and leaving any kids for the AU scene.
>>153788158That's fair, i do def think the next non bnd writer will pair them up, and when editorial shifts they'd get married (which seems to be on track so far editoiral shift wise lol).The kid if any is more nebulous but i think it'd eventually happen, with all that entails.
>>153770612Lol
>>153770659Who?
>>153770659Is he another skrull kree hybrid like hulkling? When did skrulls get hair?
>>153769328Hope things improve for Pete next arc.
>>153789883He's just a Skrull who's still loyal to Teddy who's also a Cap expyHe should be a Carol deuteragonist>When did skrulls get hair?Forever ago
>>153789990Yeah females I've seen with hair, I thought males had that weird thing on their head as a natural state of being. Didn't realize they had hair underneath
>>153789925Queen in Black arc is next so unless Felicia becomes the host of Sleeper (I am surprised that they haven't done this yet considering what Sleeper looks like without a host) or whichever other symbiote that is also without a host in order to join then she is going to be left behind.
>>153789990>Forever agoBefore that even
>>153790356Does Silver Sable still have a symbiote?
>>153770768>>153770784>>153770998>>153771140>>153771227It is not like this in the print.
>>153790456In theory, but I don't think it showed up in her appearance in Wolverine
>>153789925One of these days we're gonna get a writer or asm who actually cares about felicia. You'd think post omd she'd get to be regularly in the main cast atleast
>>153790442My beloved
>My new villain a old man with a huge ship on his shoulder that use a anti-gravity harness to fly through the air. His name's Adian Toomes, and his villain name is Vulture.>My new villain is a SERIAL KILLER that use some sort of liquid metal whip (we will never explain this btw) that has a homoerotic obsessions with Peter, Eddie and MJ's extended family that we have never seen until now!>Why is he obsessed with PP, EB and MJ? I don't know either! Buy his origin story!>His name? I dunno, he is just Torment. Guess I'll make up a name laterJesus titty Christ, this is like Overkill but without Stan Lee mocking it. Hellgate, Torment and soon Ravage? All Overkill OCs.https://youtube.com/watch?v=UUTxQEgEeak
>>153790899>One of these days we're gonna get a writer or asm who actually cares about felicia. You'd think post omd she'd get to be regularly in the main cast atleastDon't hold your breath she was turned into Queenpin post OMD. Spencer liked her and rescued her character but anyone who likes characters and characterization from back then love both MJ and Felicia. Best you'd get is how Kelly is using her, a booty call for Peter
>>153770228Especially since Jameson, Norman, MJ, all already know again and given Peter's lack of civilian social circle it wouldn't really change much (besides more misery porn).May is the only one in the dark again post-OMD who re-learning his secret identity would actually mean anything at this point.
>>153770311Norman was the guy Peter went to when he was desperate to get back to MJ ASAP after being pushed through the portal back to Earth-616.I know Zeb Wells' run was never ending trainwreck of bullshit but that's the only reason I can hazard off the top of my head--oh wait, Peter also tried to murder him as The Spider That Gobbles when he was possessed by Norman's sins so maybe some guilt?IDK, it's impossible to tell what they are trying to do with him these days and I personally never bought into it because it's all going to be undone back to the status quo of him being the Green Goblin sooner or later such is the way of corporate capeshit.
>>153771119In ASM #19 or so of the Zeb Wells run the recap page said she was 'mysteriously married to a man named Paul with two kids in a world where 4 years had suddenly passed', IIRC. That's where the 4-5 years older thing is coming from and since she was previously canonically 1 year younger than Peter she should now be 3-4 years older than him chronologically and biologically if Lowe actually gave a shit about internal plot consistency but Wells' run definitively established the opposite.
>>153771251I hate it, too, but given Jackpot and now this "All-New Venom" bullshit I get the sense this enforced by editorial and/or corporate because they admitted that Hasbro didn't want to take a risk making Jackpot toys nor did Funko Pop (FUNKO POP!) because they saw it as them taking a hit financially because she wouldn't sell (and I know the former is sensitive to that after Sequel Trilogy Star Wars figures have been rotting on the shelves for nearly a decade now). Hela's Queen in Black skin was introduced in Marvel Rivals (IIRC) so they probably want to shoehorn MJ into a superheroine role to have her as playable in that and/or other Marvel games on top of editorial's clear disinterest in writing civilian characters/drama anymore, thus the phasing out of Peter's civilian cast with even Shay barely being a character despite them ostensibly 'dating'.
>>153772686IIRC they have pillows or something because they believe that when the Messiah (not Jesus Christ, but more likely Moloch, Baal or Lucifer) comes they will be risen again from their graves like zombies, I guess?
>>153773078As much as I hate Bendis to be fair I'm going to play Devil's Advocate--JMS was infamously VERY anti-OMD to the point of wanting his name taken off final issues in protest plus, he was their boss and under that kind of work relationship you can only give so much civil protest before it starts hurting your career prospects.
>>153773551Yeah the biggest DC superhero is Batman who is a grown man who raised Dick Grayson from adolescence to adulthood, Jason Todd, Tim Drake too adulthood and is the father of a biological kid who is like 12 or 13 and his sales haven't tanked because he's seen as 'too old' to be relatable and Damian was introduced exactly 20 years ago.
>>153773684Make Peter realize the suffering won't end so long as he breathes and have him hang himself with one of his webs.That way Disney and black will be happy to get BlackRock and Vanguard funding for DEI/ESG/BRIDGE with Miles Morales as the bi-racial (black) de facto Spider-Man like in OG 1610 Ultimate. OG Spider-Fags no longer have to suffer, editorial no longer has to work on a character they nakedly hate, no reason for Mary Jane to stick around anymore, no more fighting with fans who wanted the marriage restored.
>>153774404A lot of this is obnoxious in the sense that MJ's justifications are blatantly editorial getting pissy that fans didn't understand their "brilliance" and now there is backlash to her character which significantly contributed to Jackpot flopping and the Venom pivot being divisive (pissing off multiple subfandoms tends to do that) as an "You're not just wrong, you are stupid and ungrateful." sort of way that further irritates readers.These guys have been infamous for their overly inflated egos and stubbornness since Sins Past and One More Day, malignant narcissists tend to lash out when proven wrong or forced to suffer consequences for their own anti-social instigations.
>>153775411Ah, so kind of like the joke about Phenomeman and Blonde Blazer's relationship in Dispatch?Would be funny and fittingly pathetic.
>>153775217God willing.
>>153778886I like Raelith the Wretched and Peter not being shit on in space but knew everything would suck again once he got back to Earth and was proven correct but that's the nicest things I can say about it.Death Spiral feels like it sucked out any creative momentum for ASM and Venom books but that's why I hate events in comics the stupid Age of Revelation in X-books was going to derail other ongoings and even with Batman the Death of the Family was largely a nothing burger because the then-writers for Batgirl and Red Hood's solo books were mid-arc and had future plans for them, IIRC so the entire Bat Family had plot armor from Joker's edgelord BS under Snyder's pen.
>>153780363It still feels weird (and forced) how quickly she forgave the Venom Symbiote in like 1 issue and just accepted it passing the entirety of the blame onto Eddie.I get corporate or editorial want fans to accept VenoMJ but they could have kept is somewhat interesting if they stretched out the drama of that emotional conflict a bit longer instead of speedrunning it.As it is there no real "emotional hook" for me to really care about VenoMJ because I don't care if she dies when/if they get separated after how she's been written in Zeb Wells' run and that Black Cat/Jackpot book where they both shat on Peter for no reason by mocking his obsession with being responsible, especially since she genuinely feels and acts like a different character from not only the Spencer run but even Slott MJ. Further exacerbated by the fact we never really got to see much of "what she suffered" in those 4 years in the Rabinverse so all of her anger and hostility towards Peter and how quickly she gave up on him feels even weirder, especially when she acted like he had 'abandoned' her when it was the exact opposite and he risked burning bridges with his greatest allies, confidants and even May treated him like yesterday's trash with him having to swallow his pride and beg NORMAN fucking OSBORN for help and then she just treated him like a creepy, unhinged stalker for just wanting straight answers of what happened and what is going on with her, this Paul guy and their kids.MJ is very childish and her utter refusal to take any sort of accountability while realistic, doesn't make her any more sympathetic, especially when that exacerbates spineless bitch Peter that's been a complaint since the Wells run.
>>153790829I'd like to see a picture to verify.
>>153792931>JMS was infamously VERY anti-OMD to the point of wanting his name taken off final issues in protestHe wanted that because they wouldn't let him force in his retcon of undoing the previous 40 years of Spider-Man history to undo Sins Past and bring back Gwen.Quesada said he told JMS he didn't have to write the story and in all these nearly-20 years JMS has never stated that was untrue. He insisted on it, likely because he wanted his big retcon.
>>153792861>Marvel games on top of editorial's clear disinterest in writing civilian characters/drama anymoreWhat about the writers? Al Ewing's Mortal Thor had a brand new civilian love interest, so maybe there is some pushback in the office?
>>153793920>He wanted that because they wouldn't let him force in his retcon of undoing the previous 40 years of Spider-Man history to undo Sins Past and bring back Gwen.Quesada wanted Gwen back. What JMS did was make it so in his version of OMD Gwen never died and basically set up a new status quo of what was basically early college life with Peter dating Gwen and MJ. This would've been a healthier status quo overall and would allow for more breathing room and bigger swings in narrative.Brevoort had to call a vote about bringing Gwen back as he thought it was a bad idea rooted in fanboys wanting their waifu back. He lost the vote but still talked to Quesada privately and asked him if he wanted her back because it was good for the book or if he was just being a fanboy about it.That was when they decided to not being her back.
>>153794022>This would've been a healthier status quo overall and would allow for more breathing room and bigger swings in narrative.The readers would have revolted at the idea of the last 40 years of Spider-Man comics being thrown out. It would have made Spider-Man's place in the Marvel universe incredibly convoluted and confusing, his Hawkworld moment.>That was when they decided to not being her back.Yeah they decided that, and then JMS submitted a script where she came back anyway.https://www.cbr.com/the-one-more-day-interviews-with-joe-quesada-pt-2-of-5/>he fact that he disagreed with the story didn't come as a surprise to me; he made that clear to me by the time we were on the third issue and, from his perspective, he had a right to be upset. In the end, we didn't publish the story he wanted to write. >What had unfortunately happened with Joe's original scripts is that we didn't receive the story and methodology to the resolution that we were all expecting. What made that very problematic is that we had four writers and artists well underway on Brand New Day that were expecting and needed One More Day to end in the way that we had all agreed it would. Joe's original scripts, especially the fourth, didn't provide that.>I had a Solomon-like decision to make: I could either keep Joe's story as he delivered it, and then tear up tracks on Brand New Day and make an entire year's worth of Spider-Man stories worthless and stop shipping the book until we righted the train, or go to very extensive rewrites on Joe's scripts. Unfortunately, we had to go to the rewrites. The fact that we had to ask for the story to move back to its original intent understandably made Joe upset and caused some major delays and page increases in the series.>Also, the science that Joe was going to apply to the retcon of the marriage would have made over 30 years of Spider-Man books worthless, because they never would have had happened.
>>153794180>Also, the science that Joe was going to apply to the retcon of the marriage would have made over 30 years of Spider-Man books worthless, because they never would have had happened.I don't understand this bit at all.
Would it really have been that hard to just write something like:"I no longer love you. We should get divorced.""Agreed. Take care then."instead of getting such a complex mess?
>>153794242Because they were obsessed with "Peter as a young man" and the divorce would age him.
>>153794281Of all the options available I still think anything to do with the devil was the worst possible choice.
>>153794242Don’t even need to do that, really.Big reason she didn’t want to commit to him was the fear of him getting mortally wounded and dying which is still there.Play it up, she can’t take it anymore, they both agree separating is better and healthier. They’re adults.They stay in friendly terms despite it all and continue to orbit each other believing that one day things will work out.This is all keeping in line with decades of narrative.
>>153795125This is idiotic, she had already been through hell with Peter and still stayed with him. If she left why would she stay in his orbit? it doesn't make sense. I don't care what they say the reason for the Pact was because a break or divorce was more unbelievable not because a divorce aged him up.
>>153794242Peter, being a divorced man, would age him too much
>>153794225He went into it in the next part of the interview https://www.cbr.com/the-one-more-day-interviews-with-joe-quesada-pt-3-of-5/>When I was halfway through issue three of OMD, we received Joe's script for issue 4. After reading it, we (Axel, Tom and myself) all quickly realized that we had a problem -- the script we had just received was not the one we were expecting, and the events that were being set forth in that issue were going to conflict with the work that was already being done on "Brand New Day." I thought that perhaps Joe had forgotten some of the stuff discussed at the summit meetings and the subsequent e-mails and discussions that followed, but that didn't seem to be the case; this was the story he wanted to tell. In his story, Mephisto was going to change continuity from as far back as issues #96-98 from 1971. In Joe's story, Peter drops the dime on Harry, and that helps get him into rehab right away. Consequently, MJ stays with Harry, and Gwen never dies and never has her affair with Norman, etc., etc. And in the end, Peter and MJ are never married.>This, in my mind, while it neatly puts the pieces back in some way, was not what we wanted to do. First, it discounted every issue of "Amazing" since that story arc. Second, the series of events that it discounts in the Marvel U are too far-reaching to contemplate. And third, it had severe ramifications for the creators already well underway on "Brand New Day," the thrice-monthly "Amazing Spider-Man." In other words, there was just no way to tell Joe's story without blowing up the entire Marvel U and every Spider-Man's fan's collection. What we originally discussed with Joe and the group was much simpler and cleaner: The wedding? Something happened on the wedding day that prevented it from happening. The unmasking? Mephisto makes people forget it; much like the Sentry, it happened -- it's just no longer remembered.
>>153795554So they caught Quesada trying to push his fanfic?Kek
Spider-Man fans don't deserve good storytelling. if editorial won't budge, then start attacking the fans. Completion Fags need to have their nest of shitty comics burned; Half measured faggots that make apologies for this tripe need to get beaten up. OMD isn't just bad storytelling. Its wicked, cruel and evil. It perpetuates because the fans are weak cowards willing to lick up the slop.
>>153795618What fanfic? Quesada was the EiC, what he said goes. JMS was the unprofessional guy who tried to force the story to happen his way after everyone had already agreed to do it another way. Spider-Man just seems to attract these types, Spencer being the latest one.
>>153795455Randy's divorced and he's Peter's age.
>>153795674Wait, the Joe in that greentext was JMS?
>>153795769Yes. I was confused at first because I'm used not used to seeing him referred to by his first name.
>>153790356I think Kelly would use Felicia more seriously if he could, but Marvel is trying really hard to push Felicia as their bi-icon so she needs to be single to kissing girls.
>>153795817But he is called Joseph...
>>153795828they kill felicia off
>>153795870Yes, but he is almost always referred to as J. Michael or JMS. So when there's multiple Joseph's in the room it gets confusing.
>>153771119In Dead Language, issue 25 of Wells' run, when Peter rescues her from the Wayepverse, she tells Peter it's been 4 years. Ostensibly so we could reasonably believe those were her kids, because the audience hadn't yet been told they weren't.>>153795828Yeah, it's too important to them to have her gay now, they really backed themselves into a corner with it. She simply can't be with Peter unless they do the hugely damaging trope that bi people can't commit to relationships and will always cheat on their partner, so they've just defaulted to her being gay, and it'll stay that way.
>>153796720Felicia deserves to be dragged just like MJ, more so. Making her gay isn't enough.
>>153796720Felicia fucked Peter in ASM last year and in her latest series she lived through an entire alternate life where she was married to him, had kids, and grew old.
>>153796783right. living a life for 30 years and then suddenly it has no psychological effect. there is no continuity in 616, any attempts to pretend there is a coherent story is laughable.
>>153796783She fucked him as a throwaway and that was immediately taken away for GWW's series. The stupid alternate reality Siege Perilous thing pretty much immediately showed she didn't even really like it and was happy to be back to normal, where she immediately showed she had the hots for MJ's female blackmailer and thinks they might have hooked up.You're fucking kidding yourself if you think any of that's a sign she's ever getting back with Peter. This is literally her cover next month. Her and the gay pride flag.
seeing that the threa is almost over,
in remembrance of peter's true love unlike that dirty cheater, whore and slut MJ one day Gwen will be back
>>153796867She flirted with him on this very page >>153769380
>>153797099nobody gives a fuck anon
>>153797122You're mad because I'm pointing out that you're hallucinating a situation that isn't actually happening so you can be mad.
>>153796979>>153797018>>153797037>>153797037>>153797051>>153797087>>153797122If anybody did not deserve to die then it was you my beloved Gwen. But don't worry once marvel goes broke you will get the sweet justice you deserve my fanction comics of what if you lived and married Peter will get published by another company of course they stil need to be colored but that will get done in time and then fans will be able to enjoy the series which is 28 issues long.
>>153797238yeah well tell me this how mad are fans knowing that the marriage will never return they still seethe about untill today that's almost 20 years now
end thread i guess.
>>153796827>and then suddenly it has no psychological effectShe literally breaks down and cries because it caused her to look at her life and see where everything went wrong. It ends with her and MJ hugging and telling her there's still time to make things right. >>153797099>She flirted with him on this very pageWhat he's saying is that you're reading too much into a lot of this stuff.Every Pride issue and the last Black Cat issue paint a very obvious picture of what they're trying to do with Felicia.She doesn't want to continue being in Peter's shadow and feels trapped by him and wants to break free and be her own person. I like Peter/Fel as much as the next guy but thinking there's going to be any true depth to their relationship outside of hookups is silly.
>>153797343yep.
evey fans wet dream the threesomew hich never happened.
>>153797348In the moments right after, it is not going ot have any long lasting effects and was a meaningless excersise
>>153797419nothing ever does in comics.
>>153797099Flirtatious dialogue is always going to be a thing. It's just that when it comes to sex and relationships, she's going to be with women.
>>153769458I will say this much fo paul good riddance to bad rubbish While I truly frown on his death i don't there is anybody out tthere who truly misses him
>>153797477they have been getting rid of Paul for over a year now. Making this change was like Pulling teeth...
>>153797514this is just another faggot trying to seprate Peter and MJ. Stop normalizing this. the Marriage was a good thing not a creative misstep.
>>153797552Gwen prefers black men
>>153797590to be honest lots fans of were against peter's and MJ marriage from the start even before OMD happened several attempts were made to get rid of MJ like getting her killed in a airplane crash. What i don's understand why didnt they go for a divorce if they wanted to be rid of her so much
>>153797742This isn't true at all, you are just making shit up.
>>153797623Tyrone will never love you, fag
>>153797742Writers and Eddie's wanted her gone because they wanted to write single Peter and hated MJ. They the story was progressing PP and MJ should have had 2 or 3 kids by now.
>>153797742It "aged" Peter too much apparently. The real question is why Mephisto deal? There were probably better mystical ways to do it.
>>153797266I don’t care what the child rapist, Gwenschizo, has to say.
