Why is nu-marvel so scared of using this chigga? Can't they just...choose not to depict him as a racist yellow peril trope like they had been doing for the past 3 decades? Idk seems like an exceedingly silly reason to permanently get rid of one of your flagship heroes' archenemy
>>153770853Mandarin is one of the coolest marvel villains,The 10 rings are a really fun "power".Granted, he has been used in the MCU, the real him.That said, making him a rich Triad mob boss is probably the best modern direction for the character
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>>153770853>Can't they just...choose not to depict him as a racist yellow peril trope like they had been doing for the past 3 decades?If Iron Man 3 didn't fuck it up they could've made him Osama bin Ladenesque in the comics as well. Also he's never been that popular of a villain. The only notable thing about him is that he's Iron Man's archnemesis.
>>153770853His name is literally the Mandarin and it doesn't really matter how much they try to distance him from his roots, Chinese (including Taiwanese) audiences do not like anything tangibly related to the Yellow PerilThey're fine with Asian mustached villains and warlocks and that kind of stuff (I've seen Chinese fans of Mortal Kombat think Shang Tsung is cool), they have their own flavor in their own fiction It's when the villain is explicitly Fu Manchu related that they get miffed because of the whole Century of Humiliation and him being the mascot of the demonization of their peopleEven when the Shang-Chi movie distanced itself from that they still hated the movie on sight because the character's mere relationship to Fu Manchu even though it's largely been retconned (that and the film positioning the villain as a Mainland Chinese and the hero a US nationalized immigrant still framed it as an "Us Evil", "Them Good" conflict in their POV)
>>153770853He was great in Iron Adventureshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBPrMj_p9r8
>>153770853>Marvel is afraid of using him cuz of the "Yellow Peril" cliche>yet Marvel is full of morons who greenlight racist shit like Thor Miles cuz it's "woke"
>>153770934The rings seem completely underused, and no one knows what to do with them, like what was the point of Riri having them again?she had them at the end of Cantwells run and Duggan just made her give them up, and no one's done anything with them since.Gillian was the only one after Fraction that did anything
>>153771658So, how badly as Tony power crept the rings anyways?Hell in the grand scheme of things, how powerful and impressive are the Rings in the Marvel Universe anyways?
See the thing with the Mandarin is that it's not a complete veto on his usageHe got a Marvel Legends figure recently albeit the one based on the Fraction run and the character still gets mentioned in the comics so they're not actively pretending he doesn't exist even though he's been dead since 2018 when he got Frank'd (and that was his return with no explanation after dying in Fraction's run years prior)I can't imagine him being in Rivals and as far as the comics go, even the raccoon that is Williamson who has repeatedly expressed interest in Iron Man's supporting cast and rogues gallery hasn't mentioned the Mandarin at all
>>153772028tbf Tony has a lot of Villains that are even more underused than the Mandarin, so I can understand Williamson being more interested in exploring them
>>153770853>Can't they just...choose not to depict him as a racist yellow peril trope like they had been doing for the past 3 decades?He hasn't been depicted like that since the 80s.The Haunted arc is phenomenal.
Is not like he is an interesting villain.Is like Mr Freeze or Green Goblin than readers only like them for the vibes or non-comic stuff.I think Controller , Hammer or a resurrected Obadiah Stane would work better as Tony nemesis than Mandarin.
I really liked the 2007 animated version.Basically the ghost of Jet Li from The Mummy 3 possessing a hot naked Asian babe.
>>153770853>Can't they just...choose not to depict him as a racist yellow peril trope like they had been doing for the past 3 decades?They haven't even done that in the past three decades. Three decades ago was 1996.The only people claiming that would be actual racist people on Twitter that don't read comics
>>153771073>It's when the villain is explicitly Fu Manchu relatedThey litterally used the actual Fu Manchu in Brubaker's Secret Avengers (although he had a helmet/mask on)
>>153771073>>153773476They also used Iron Nail in Remender's Cap run.
>>153772190The main issue is that because of Demon In A Bottle's success, Marvel thinks Tony's greatest enemy should only ever be himself and marginalizes his actual villains.
>>153773476>>153773631That was over a decade ago
>>153773722The Yellow Peril complaints were still a thing a decade ago
>>153771073Who cares about those fucking chinks? They don't even fucking comics.Fuck em and their fucking stupid crying. Bunch of yellow niggers.
>>153771852Back during the Gillen run the rings were granted a degree of sentience from Recorder 451's programming seeping into themThey split up and each found individual ring bearers, 10 different Mandarins whose minds were influenced by the rings and became supervillains (or if they had already been villains they got an upgrade)I'd say individually each ring is equal to a low grade power armorBut they get stronger when used in concert so all 10 together is cosmic level
>>153774139>They don't even fucking comics.I mean who does lmaoBut in all honesty, they do. No seriously, mass piracy created a global readership.But even aside from that, Marvel (and by extension Disney) really don't want more race related controversyNot to say they're paragons of representation or authenticity even to this day by any stretch but we're talking about the same company that's owned by corporation that buried Song of the South
>>153774025Yeah and so was shit like the Psylocke body swap that was only relatively recently undoneI don't think the Mandarin is completely unsalvageable and I acknowledge there have been attempts to move past his initial depiction but it's still an uphill battle to make him "work" in spite of the framework already being present.
yellow peril is badass and the redemption of asian masculinity will only come about when asian men collectively stand up and say "actually, Fu Manchu is based"they will never do this because they are cucks to the last
>>153774308>Yeah and so was shit like the Psylocke body swap that was only relatively recently undoneThat happened in 2018 anon
>>153771658I don’t like how the rings in the MCU are just same-looking bracelets.
>>153771852The Matter Rearranger ring is pretty strongDisintegration Beam ring should be strong but I don't think it's ever actually worked on a named character
>>153776196>relativelyHFS time is a blur
>>153774236Don't they already have souls stored inside them?
>>153777204Yes, alien dragon souls.
