TOMTEGUBBAR EDITION
I swear to god if Togo follows into this thread as well...
Ok what was each Gubbar?
>>153877741DID SOMEONE SAY TOGO?
Occam ftw, good god the show would've gone to shit had he not saved their asses.
>>153877748Fuck offfff
>>153877777Lucky irish quints of truthAlso, I really hope D now doesn't do the scumbag thing and doesn't show him Fatigue's recordings, they were literally for him.
>>153877777You ASS.
>>153877141>>153877297>>153877331he looks like he has down's syndrome
did nobody else hear the "worm freak" comment and question itlike how immediately the worm freak in question packed up and leftsurely the union guys would be a little suspicious of it, right? that, and the rumplestiltskin child stealing contracta little cartoony that they ignored it
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>>153877748TOGO, NOBODY WANTS TO TALK TO YOU, LEAVE
>>153877748I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU TOGO!!!
SEX WITH WYRM
ATTENTION CITIZEN
>>153877714Realisticly speaking, how many generations of sexual slavery does Boy own to Blair for making her trip with her 36 hamburgers?
>>153877873None
>>153877806Well there are three scenarios there. 1. They know nothing about it and just think Door was mad about her trying to take Boy2. They know a little but are still mostly in the dark, similar situation to the first3. They know the deal and either are powerless to do anything, want to wait until they can do something, or do not rightly care.
>>153877806They might think worm is some sort of political insult not that she is actually infested with worms. Something that outs door as an enemy of pentex
>>153877867shut the fuck up burger lady
>>153877714I am also briefly here.reminder that you can make "evil capitalism" story good if you actually characterise capital, it's accumulation and the upper classes interestingly (as much continental philosophy does) or at least not make the message preachyand mage is best splat/game
Would the Bear Lodge be more willing to help? I don't know if they hunt Werewolves in other countries.
>>153877867The burgers are a metaphor for her being nervous to ask her crush out. Her demeanour is just a defence mechanism you see. Shes actually soft inside. So warm and soft. Moist. Full of tasty inside bits perfect for worm.
Kitten's falling apart fast. He'll lose it if they have to negotiate with the Werewolves for Markus.
God fuck Belgium.
>>153878050I'm starting to understand why D despises Belgium. Even if you still have to credit Remold for being able to put their feud aside.
>>153877968I mean yeah, they’re all about taking out woofs but D and some of the others probably wouldn’t like them. Most likely see them as being similar to Kronik and his brothers even if they’re not Skindancers. Though I guess it depends on the lodge and the motivation. Sportsman they would hate and see as retarded, Trappers not so much, and Vigilates they would probably be cool with overall.
>Give each and every allied organization the finger>Refuse to cooperate with anyone, claim that you can do everything by yourself>Fuck up massively>Come crawling back and ask for help like a little bitch>Be surprised when none of the allied factions want to help you fix YOUR fuck-up>Still act like you're the one doing everyone else a favour
>>153878163The man who was hooked on so much dmt he screwed a vampire
>>153877806>surely the union guys would be a little suspicious of it, right?I don't know if it's anything but the dude is in secondary portrait when Blair gets her memo. He doesn't have any comms on him, but I don't think wyrm needs that if he's tainted too. Or maybe he's just really used to the particular negotiation strategy of them fucking off in middle of all at slightest call-out and knows he just wasted an evening.
>>153878163To be fair, all their deals were total dogshit
>>153878163>Each and every "allied" organization is actually a trap to get you under the yoke of the Wyrm.>You're only even talking to them because you're extremely desperate, but also planning to weasel out of it anyway.>Even Fatigue could tell all of those organizations were bad news and advised Occam to cut them the fuck out.Speaking of which, I wonder how never actually finding the ghoul is going to bite them in the ass.
>>153878163Always has been, glad people are seeing it.
>>153878163>Refuse to cooperate with anyone, claim that you can do everything by yourselfTo be fair, this is Big-D. He probably could do everything himself with the exception of actually entering the Umbra.Also, the only reason the fuck-up happened in the first place was because they demanded the collection of the hunter data in the first place. They're just as culpable, and the fact that they're trying to negotiate and profit off a problem they caused proves they weren't worth dealing with in the first place.
>>153877806>>153878199They probably thought about it, but really it's far above their paygrade. They are interested in defending their homes, not much else. If the D family was getting backed by military muscle they could probably talk some of their people into helping, but charging straight into the literal wolf's den with a bunch of randoms and no intel is an actual deathwish.
>>153878163I doubt any of those wankers have fought a blank in years.
>>153878204And what did he expect?>Oh sure D, we will gladly throw resources and people to solve YOUR problem, free of charge ;)
>>153877714 Did anyone else have problems understanding anything that guy was saying?
>>153878239Tbf with that second point, there was literally no fucking way he could have ever passed Chapman's last crucial question without a Hail Mary. There is no hunter skill or wisdom that lets you guess family relationships of people you've never heard about.
>>153878294>And what did he expect?"Help us an equivalent amount, aka. you will help us with a certain number of hunts that compensate for the trouble we've gone for yours".Not straight up slavery for you, your family and all descendants you have forever as we separate you and send you to different countries.
>>153878204everyone in the situation is a total fuckup and thats even before we get to the wyrm taint>D family are basically vigilantes operating outside of the coalition and also noted haters of it>the chapter house failed to find a fucking woof AND ghoul in their midst and almost lost the only copy of data on every hunter in the region, and destroyed it>every coalition member doesnt even give a shit about the loss of life or that there was a massive breach, just that they lost data that totally wouldnt be used for evil purposes>meeting literally opens with some HR drama queen cunt sobbing over the loss of a floppy disc with no regard for anything>nobody actually has any interest in dealing with the woofs and the only way D's family get any help is by selling their metaphorical, maybe literal, souls over to increasingly wacky conditions>in reality the coalition only wants access to whatever D knows, which is important and terrifying enough that he relented on signing anything without kitten sperging out at him>signed contracts without even asking what they get out of itoccam and remold were the only competent people at that table, maybe blair but thats because she didnt immediately tip her hand and stayed mostly professional
>>153878323Yeah thank fuck for the subs.
>>153878359>>signed contracts without even asking what they get out of itThis actually bothered me quite a lot, I get that they're so desperate that they rushed into it without thinking properly, but after the first time they got scammed they should have responded to the HR lady with "How many squads EXACTLY? Don't just say a number and leave it up in the air".Hell, she had probably been instructed to try and trick them that way and only offer more if they refused to sign beforehand.
>>153878323>he cant speak swedlishThis is not for you. Leave.
Pretty trash, wish we could have an actual episode. I get their whole thing is yelling for an hour straight but holy shit. You can just FEEL this being a job and them wanting to milk it for the next fifteen years.
>>153878359>remoldI was genuinely surprised at his restraint, considering the entire deal and the Arcanum itself was put at risk on behalf of Big-D. I know he wants to avenge Fatigue, but still.
>>153878163mummies are autistic yes, living for so long will do that to someone
>>153878359>>D family are basically vigilantes operating outside of the coalition and also noted haters of itI don't know why you count this as a fuckup when so far they've been completely justified and vindicated for it. The Coalition is bad news and you do not want them around.
>>153878323No
>>153878430yeah, its clear for all their combat prowess under stress, they couldn't negotiate their way out of a wet paper bag under stress. truly they needed the prodigal son robert girlyman for this one.
>>153878359>maybe blair but thats because she didnt immediately tip her hand and stayed mostly professionalYou know you're in some deep shit when Blair is the only level-headed person in the room
>>153878323The craziest part is that such ultra-hard Swedish accented English was äkchuly iven ISIER to unnderständ! Mäjby it's jusst de familljar kejdense!
>>153878454i count it as a fuckup because their history with the coalition has already put them at a negotiating disadvantagetheyre completely correct for distrusting it and outright being against it. but in this specific case where they need the help, being known as "that one family that fucking hates us and causes us countless issues" is not a good thing
The amazing thing is I took this with a screenshot thingy on my computer from YouTube and and just told it I wanted anime style . Yes it's AI I don't think that makes an image necessarily bad.
What country is Kryptman from again?
>>153878521>no ski mask on kitten>no mustache on door
>>153878525Czech Republic
Could Occam be a traitor trying to undermine the Arcanum from within?
>>153878525Inquisitoriagrad
>>153878521Ai-sama, you made kitten so kawaii desuuuu
>>153878521
>>153877714How would the Burial Agency from Tsukihime, and the Iscariot from Hellsing fit in with the Society of Leopold and WoD as a whole? How would the reverse go in their respective universe?
>>153878470>Roboute is one of D's sons who didn't want to be a hunter and left to get a job as an accountant>he shows back up in the family's lives when following the trail of his work buddy, Kevin, who just stopped showing up to the office one day
>>153878521>turned Kitten into RalsieAAAAAAAAA
>>153878470>>153878589And he brings his fae wife
Any theories about the mage podcast?
>>153878521>AI autoamticly translates kitten into female
>>153878163Big Fraud doing his thing, as usual.
>>153878618I was thinking it turned him into Velma (real Velma, not the indian one) but Ralsei does seem fitting too.
>>153878589He's probably more of a "work from the inside" kind of guy, able to turn a methusala's riches to ruins with a few good stock trades and foil Pentex buyouts with a few phonecalls. He uses the proceeds to fund hunters and other organizations counter to the interests of evil on the down-low. He's so good at his job he probably makes up a non-insignificant portion of the genetic heritage of the Glass Walkers just by the amount of jealous / horny shewolves he banged (without ever knowing of their true nature of course).That said, he and Kevin would get along marvelously.>>153878630A man so enamored by spreadsheets he produces glamor from them. Truly all of D's sons are fucking autistic.
>>153878561>curtain>march>G>bok choy>gate
>>153878638far to early for anything, the game basically started as of the last episode. Botch was fucking funny tho that could have went really bad.
>>153878630>>153878470. Why am I seeing the Primark of the ultramarine in world of Darkness Hunter the parenting with what I think is elf of some kind has he been hinted at in the hunter the parenting continuity pacifically out of any of the other sons? Also these next 2 AI images was from a different AI than the first two.
>>153878638Not much to say, the last episode was mostly settling the party in.I am bewildered about what's going on with Samson and his alien egg. I guess that's the most significant thing for the future that happened.
>>153878705
>>153878561>>153878668You idiots!These are not them!You've captured thier stunt doubles!
>>153877867>Fags make a show>All women are either ugly or evil
>>153878470Bobby is a Hunter with a JOB.Clearly, he is the greatest of the D Family Hunters.
>>153878716>>153878561 In case you were wondering with both of the second images I told it some of the things it did incorrectly with the first image and I may have saw I believe I sold the AI a better image of doors face for The second second image.
>>153878705Firstly, cease your Wyrmish image printingSecondly, it's a joke that Big D is a expy of Big E from 40k, and all of his sons and supporting cast are also along for the ride. We obviously have Dorn (Door) and Magnus (Marckus) already, with Russ (Roos) and Angron (Anton) very probably having been confirmed. So it's fun to postulate what the other ones are up to. Sanguinius is probably the most interesting to me - obviously he'd be a vamp, but what he'd be up to and if he and D were still on good terms would be neat to know.>>153878736He is off building his own, cooler, more humane empire like always.
>>153878725Says you.
>>153878705Primineral Rogus
>>153878725Amanda isn't so bad
>>153878725Even if you'd categorize Matilda as evil, Amanda is still neither evil nor ugly. Grimal and Elise are not evil (seemingly so far) and while they're for slightly more specialized tastes, they're not ugly (beyond needing some dental care, but they're fucking brits what did you expect?).
>>153878765furries don't count
>>153878725Matilda isn't even and Amanda isn't ugly though :(
>>153878815>Grimal and Elise are not evil (seemingly so far)Elise is the ghoul but she doesn't know it herselfCalling it now
>>153878816Shit man if thinking Amanda is hot is bad tastes I don't want good taste
>>>/tg/98104097Just went to that /co/ thread and damn. Our resident troll wasn't fishing for (You)'s, he open up a fucking (You) factory that runs on nothing but shitty bait.
>>153878764>obviously he'd be a vamp, but what he'd be up to and if he and D were still on good terms would be neat to knowProbably be a Salubri on the path to Golconda or some shit. Also you forgot about Horse.
Max stirner was right about werewolfs.
>>153878525>KurvaA fucking chech judging by that disgusting v instead of w
>>153878359The last bit was on Kitten. I get he's desperate but dude was a retard. As said before they probably would have been better off trying to negotiate with the woofs
>>153878764Is that the twist? Bobby went to like, America and managed to build an entire Cell of trained Hunters before Big D could and D hates that?
>>153878452Fatigue was part of it but I think another big part of it was the fact Markus saved his son from the same fate.
>>153878725I want to fuck these characters way more than most shows You just have shitty taste
>>153878853I wonder which posts is he referring to
What do you think Horus will be? If he appears.
>>153878963He already has.THE ABBOT WILL KNOW
>>153878920Nah D would love that, but would hate that Rowboat would be playing lip service to "the man" in the process.
>>153878963>ifhe is already with us.
>>153878952probably the guy who was mad about pentex earlier
>>153878963He's already with the team and a good boy
>>153878868>Probably be a Salubri on the path to Golcondalul thought the samething
>>153878981>>153878984He's horse? Relegated to a vagueposter? That sucks.
>>153879024I <3 vagueposting
>>153878963>What do you think Horus will be? If he appearsHe already did, the question now is WHAT is he
>>153879042He's a daemon/fallen now I mean its Horus and daemons are technically not all bad some still care for humanity.
>>153879085Makes sense, and he does not like the fae, dropped the hard M when talking to Boy
>>153879085>DemonWe won demon bros.We fucking won. Now everyone has to apologize to our splats.
>>153878815Amanda is still kind of dogfaced, but I'm willing to let it slide for being a precious cinnamon roll.
>>153879042He's a horse, duh. What are ya stupid?
>>153878521>>153878561Did it give tits to Big D?
>>153877953Something also relevant to deal with is also not attributing stuff that has existed in every form of human organization to be solely capitalism's domain.There are absolutely problems with it, but there's a hefty amount of complaints thrown at it that fall under the umbrella of "why don't we live in post-scarcity society" that can apply to every single economic system throughout all of history.
>>153878561It's Grandad's unlicensed likeness that's legally distinct from any family lineages that go by the letter "D"
>>153879125daemons fun I like the concept shame it has like what 2-3 books>>153879170Those pecs are full of gyno baby
>>153878815>>153878828>Werewolf>not evil*hits double cigs*Werewolves are part of supremacist organisation that believes themselves inherently distinct and superior to rest of humanity. They have no desire to even explain themselves to us mere mortals, and even less of killing us in troves. True democratic organisation for mutual benefit cannot exist as long as true power is tied to one being half a wolf. Do you think it's a coincidence that 'wolves always seem to go after everyone that tries to seek out sources of power that can be freely shared and applied to everyone, regardless of their origin or station?
>>153879042>Anton’s index is thicker than young Marckus’ armHe’s a big guy
>>153877481Yes genuinely, blackpill shit is compelling but just like how there's some of us who are sincerely attracted to "ugly" traits in women and believe me I like a lot there are girls who are the exact same with guys (because big reminder lesbians are only like 4% of the US female population and are just really overrepresented online)
>>153879286for you
Haven't read the thread at all.Between this and the previous two episodes, I'm dipping. The magic's gone. I don't believe this is being done in earnest anymore. I believe this is a group of fanboys flexing how much they know about the material, rather than how much they love the setting. It's the equivalent of Flynn writing for Sonic, or Filoni writing for Star Wars. I'm not having fun.Make no mistake, I loved the downed airplane episode, the underground 99p episode, and Matilda going wolfshit. I know there's good stuff in here. I know that I'm the minority stuck in arrested development while everyone on their crew has matured and become family men. Their priorities are different than mine, when it comes to telling a narrative. So it goes.Have fun, lads.
>>153879363Aight.
>>153879363kkeep me posted
>>153879363uh ok
>>153879286>4U
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>>153879363Who is this?
>>153877777How did D fumble this absolute king of a homo? He's consistently been>Rational>Patient>Knowledgeable>Displayed Good Leadership>CharismaticD cannot beat the Fraud Allegations
>>153879363new phonewho dis??
Honestly the commies probably had the worst offer out of all of them. Asked for shit but offered jack squat in return.
>>153879241Not all Werewolves, merely Matilda's kind. And she's really more just ignorant than outright malicious
>>153879596He didn't though officially
>>153879596D is one of the most inconsistently written characters in the show but hes always been a fraud since episode 0 when he got bodied by a blood wizard but won because the plot demanded it
>>153879634>T-the plot demanded it!So what you are saying is he won.
>>153879363You didn't enjoy 5.3? I thought 5.4 was at least more focused than 5.2. I do understand that this is partly bait anyway the plot is still glacial for semi-monthly releases but I think the humor and wit is still mostly there. It's a good enough setting adaptation for the most part, even if personally the new NWG session was better than this one
>>153879596I mean we can kinda see why, D's a bit reckless and self-centered
>>153879633>Didn't officiallyI'm surprised Occam didn't force D to sign the divorce papers as collateral.>>153879634>BodiedD was in control the entire time, outside of Pyotr
>D repeatedly bringing up that he's far too Turkish/Middle Eastern in this chapterVery much pointing a finger at the Mummy theory here.>>153879666Reasonable
>>153879634He's erratic, not inconsistently written. Not the same thing. Everyone around him react accordingly and he's earned the appropriate reputation for the kind of bs he pulls on the regular.
>>153879706Grimal biting Markus because her boyfriend was absorbed into a DD/LB yaoi situationship is erratic. Waxing melodramatic and over sagacious advice only to turn around and be a petulant manchild is inconsistent. It's why the entire Last Church podcast for TTS is one of the "worst" written episodes when it comes to the Emperor's personality, but "worst" is in quotations because the Emperor is portrayed as Graham McNeill wrote him as opposed to how the TTS team wrote him.Am I overly critical for wanting Big D to be either an experience hunter with a wellspring of knowledge and decades of failures that causes him to be overbearing OR le wacky LGBTQ+ non-white non-heteronormative non-conformist non-Christian anti-establishment NPC-is-obviously-the-storyteller's-power-fantasy?
>>153879792...ah.
>>153879704literally called an ottoman on top of it
So marckus getting snatched into the umbra was entirely D's fault, right?
>>153879831Brok is the one that needed to be saved, Occam is the one that left Marckus to his own devices in the archive, Grimal/Matilda/possibly Elise are the ones who gave him a reason to crawl from the archive to the security room.
>everyone already forgot d pushed two people down the black spiral, trauma dumped on them, berated them for getting suicidal over it, and then acted like an inspiring hero saving them from the brinknow i know why they dump this shit half a year apart you niggers forget everything like a bunch of goldfish
>>153879831Nah it was fate, its the one place D does not want him knowing about. He will be changed forever, and IF D is somehow suppressing his awakening.A woof does not want to be harming someone and bringing them into the fucking umbra of all places IF they are indeed a mage. Literally the worse place to awaken, god knows whats lurking will show up to say hi.
>>153879861>brok needed to be savedDid he though? Why would marckus risk his life for the mongoloid retard that's done nothing but bully him for his whole life?
>>153879792D would be pretty batshit insane if he has lived fighting the supernatural since (at minimum) the 1800s, but as we see from the police interrogation the outwards persona does not reflect his inner thought process. A lot of it is bravado, deflection, and distraction to buy time and cover for his actions, and he is capable of (and executes on) complex and sophisticated plans as needed. We've seen him go into actual combat once, and going into and surviving a melee with a werewolf is a pretty big show of skill for what it's worth, and D was even fighting her to a standstill while she was indoors and had limited movement.>>153879831Nah, it was purely a Marckus L because he didn't stay put like he promised to, and then got entangled with Brok which got them both stuck in the security room.
>>153879875You just justified why he shouldn't tell people jack shit if they're too pussy to take it.
>>153879888Because Marckus is a better person than you and a true hunter.
>telling a literal no one and a dude who is clearly traumatized from losing his husband about the black spiral>"hurr durr they're pussies"posts like this are why rape should be legal
>>153877748DIE DIE DIE TOGO
>>153879875tbf kitten literally demanded the knowledge. Amanda is more fair tho.>>153879363tbf this episode was 70% pointless since it's all for terms and shit that ends up not mattering. that is my biggest issue with this episode. only really picks up at the end with the negotiation with Leopoldites
>>153879949I'm so mad they introduced the Celestine expy and sidelined her so goddamn hard I DON'T CARE THAT OGRE POPPENANG IS GAY AS FUCK I NEED MY WAIFUS YOU ASSFUCKERS
>>153878952Common WoD bait includes>blatantly misunderstanding the setting>werewolf fans are thin-skinned retards>insisting that VtM is the only real WoD game>preaching the superiority of CofD over WoD
>>153877806They no doubt thought about it, but they can't really do anything and getting involved would lead to more than just being told to pull out and burn all contracts. You don't fuck with the people writing your paychecks.
>>153879949To be fair Door pissing off Pentex will probably be important later.
>>153879966Okay that adds up
>>153878239love this meme format
>>153879930Kitten was literally screaming about wanting to know because he'd go to ANY lengths to rescue Marckus and that NOTHING would change his mind. That was on him for overestimating his own willpower.Amanda was just there, but I guess it'd have been awkward if D told her to leave or cover her ears. He still snapped them both out of it, and now they won't have to fear that happening again.
>>153879949It's the main issue of this series ever since they started doing the podcast-like episodes, way too much setup and very little actual happening. Plus, I'm transcendently mad that Episode 4 established very, very clearly that there was NO SECRET WAY into the chamber that Occam was using to test everyone's blood in. If that was true, then there would only be one person who could've possibly done it, and that's Waters. Then Episode 5 reveals that NAH WE LIKED JK LOL THERE WAS A SECRET WAY INTO THE CHAMBER, invalidating just about all of Episode 4 beyond the murder of Fatigue, and the result is the whole ghoul mystery never fucking mattered beyond pulling a sike werewolf twist.
>>153878163Literally all of those organizations right up to the Leopoldites were tools of the Wyrm. Both D and Fatigue made this extremely clear, and Fatigue himself was urging Occam to free the Arcanum of their influence.
>>153878583Anime-only so I only mildly know the IscariotAlexander would body most vamps in WoDI know that Tsukihime is the same guy who made Fate Stay Night, so I guess that Kirei could probably deal with a few vamps.
>>153879992That's not how that works.That's literally not how the Black Spiral works.>>153879997Hello, brother. I almost thought this post was a copypasta of mine.
>>153879831This was actually not a D problem, because D mostly handled that about as well as he could have considering the zany cast and rivalry. Markus getting snatched was purely a consequence of the situation, but if we had to point fingers it's at Grimal for getting too mad at Matilda and Matilda for getting too angry.That said though, I think the entire circumstance and the new Grimal storyboard shows us that the ghoul cannot be Grimal, so we're left at just three suspects>The Doctor Lady>Elise>HarryI'm firmly on board with Harry being too boring without something like being a ghoul but that doesn't match his personality. Elise was pretty mcuh shitting herself but not entirely due to the delirium, and she had the last interaction with Grimal that we know of for her to snatch the Hunter Data Or Matilda is extremely retarded and decided to steal both the cigs AND the hunter data despite having room for it elsewhere , and the doctor lady seems more like a one-off NPC than someone who's going to appear repeatedly. Though her knowledge of vampiric disciplines pawned off as reading D's notes can be read as her knowledge from being a ghoul given a convenient cover. She does seem old, and kind of a degenerate, so she has more motive than other characters.
>>153879966>insisting that VtM is the only real WoD gamethis is technically true tho
>>153879888They need to keep him around. He's of rare type that can actually peel a woman like Avery off of Mr Palmer, even if it might take some (initially) rough shagging.If Arcanum is going to work with Newburgh group that is really important objective to achieve.
>>153879949>>153879975It's setup for Pentex shit later I think, as well as a small exploration of why joining an org (specifically in H5) is a bad thing for individual cells more often than not. Every demand boiled down to>We own you now, may not help you enough, and maybe it'll be useful down the roadFunnily enough only the Leopoldites actually had the means to provide any assistance worth something
>>153880030Waters uses hard drugs to cover the fact she's a blood addict. She was also the only one with access to Occam until, as >>153879997 pointed out, it was retconned because the audience was paying attention and hurt the tweest.
>>153879997they only briefly say theres no way in iirc and its also invalidated by the vent in the background in the very same episode and pub audiolog grimal saying she crawls in them.I think the other podcast episodes worked fine as they were mostly just lore dumping to not bogdown main episodes (ghoul & ghoul powers audiologs) or being decent mini adventures that are interesting (burger & plane eps. the werewolf one was the best because you actually got an interesting adventure horror while hearing more (tho I didnt care for that).This is the one episode where it felt like nothing happened due to all the contracts being cancelled.
>>153878583The Burial Agency would be effective...to a point. They can't deal with elder vamps, Methuselahs, and such like but most of the lesser blankbodies stand no chance. Problem is they'd get infiltrated and subverted hard by malicious actors, much like the Leopoldites. Iscariot would have similar troubles, but Anderson can and would sniff that shit out and begin a routine purge whenever needed - which would likely have him get set up to get murked, but it would be a major resource investiture for whichever faction wants him gone.
>>153880069I think it's a half-and-half episode where the 1st half is "an intro into jobbers" and the second half is the actual plot.
>>153880069this episode was just to have gianni voice act so speakerd could feel validated that their channel is real
>>153880009>Alexander would body most vamps in WoDI mean powered up realistically Alacard is like a gen 5 old clan Tzimisce. Dude has a true faith of like 5-8 no shit he will turn most vampires into paste by just looking at them.
>>153879792>a DD/LB yaoi situationshipwhat the fuck is wrong with you
>>153880009>Kirei could probably deal with a fewThe power of prayer being strong as hell aside, it depends on the version of him. Before his magic circuits got taken out back by the black goo in Zero, that guy was basically superhuman and could probably go toe-to-toe with servants outside of the big 3 and Rider by abusing magecraft and command seals. In Stay Night, even being weaker, he's physically still bordering on superhuman considering he was capable of fighting assassin to a standstill
>>153880098Also his character is called Gabriel Angelo
>>153879024I appreciate Horse has a healthy relationship with his family here, compared to Horus himself so I'm cool with him being a vagueposter.
>>153880098Just shut the fuck up
>>153880059If they hadn't actually gone through offers from "cheapest" to direst ones, I'd have actually though the various orgs had coordinated to make them fall for any of the offers and gotten them through any of those. The irish guys were pretty much asking for nothing but money and then to just keep tabs with their union before they fuck something else up. It looks reasonable, and then they also got up after the worm insult and you realize even that little was also a huge trap.
>>153880098he's appeared before.>>153880059>>153880086fair but it couldve still not made most of the episode half filler. not helped by the nearly incomprehensible Swedish dude>>153879964The last 30 minutes characterised her very well.>>153879975true yes but that's the last 4 minutes of the last deal scene before Leopold offer
>>153879988Insult Big D all you wantBut keep your dirty hands away from my audiolog loredumpsI also completely forgot about the whole "killing Cain" thingIs it different in WoD, because in the bible God explicitly made it a term of Cains banishment that no one can murder him?
>>153879875They literally asked for the knowledge and broke when they couldn't bear it. There's a REASON D doesn't tell what he knows unless absolutely necessary and this is it.
>>153880061We're still only halfway through the arc, so I'll wait for the payoff to what is happening to render judgement on if there were a lot of red herrings or if it was just a reactionary change. A lot can change in one year tbf>>153880083The Burial Agencies top dogs include Magic Mutants like Ciel who can probably solo anything but Gen 4 or above, though Ciel is kind of working on cheats. It's hard to say where the power scaling lies since Idea Bloods and shit are innately rather overpowered, but 9th level disciplines are capable of doing some reality bending type of stuff as well. Tsukihime vampires don't have the same weakness to sunlight as well so the BA might just brute force all their fights which wouldn't work out super well for them
>>153880156It's commonly accepted that God intentionally made the World of Darkness an absolute fucking nightmare for the express purpose of tormenting Caine and convincing him that he did something wrong that he must be forgiven for. Caine must live through it all and endure it all, until the moment that he finally accepts that he did a bad thing.
>>153880147It's tricky because they basically kept the TTS format but the TTS format was always people explaining modern shit to the Emperor (40k) or the Emperor explaining old shit to his people (30k). It's rarely as easy with the Gang because all of them are novice hunters except Big D who is knowledgeable but not omniscient. Thus the contributions are usually always one-sided from D or these things have to be learned in the wild which necessitates a more complicated episode, and if you are going to put so much effort into an audiolog like the plane crash or the burger purge, you damn well better start integrating it into the story because if not the story ain't gonna get done son.>>153880156God is basically dead or somehow incapacitated in WoD - but if you fuck with Caine he will un-dead himself just to smite you out of existing and then go back to being dead. Boy has to live out his eternal punishment.
>>153879875>please tell us>"No.">please tell us>"No.">please tell us>"No.">please fucking tell us people are dying this knowledge is incredibly relevant at the moment>"Okay fine, here's the scoop.">AAAAAH WTF I'M GOING INSANE WHY WOULD YOU TELL ME THIS
>>153880156blame the redditor (non derogatory) who made it. i dont know much about Cain outside VTMB, but iirc regardless of his strength doesnt he mostly stay out of jihad and all the politics? dont see why D would care about him over the Camerailla or Antidivuals(3rd gen)
>>153880143>just to keep tabs with their union>neighborhood purges that ignore the conditions of the vampires so redeemable ones like Kevin are out of the question>must check hunting activity with a supervisor which would slow down in the case of things needing fast response like the ghoul'd dogsIt's "reasonable" to a point but they also weren't offering much help with the Werewolf problem. Ironically, I think D's family may have had much better chances trying to track down individual Hunters in the area and seeing if they could take down the werewolves that way or just bargaining with the werewolves straight up. The offers immediately after the Irish were basically worse than just bargaining with the werewolves outright
>>153880227Honestly it wasn’t that bad, no worse than finding out woofs and vamps exist. And he rallies them quickly.
>>153880156Once Caine learns his lesson god will fix everything and retcon the entire setting because it was just explicitly made to teach Caine that murder is bad mmkay.
>>153880229In theory, redeeming or killing Caine would undo the curse on Caine and his bloodline, ending all (Caine-derived) vampirism instantly.
>>153880156Caine basically has plot armor in WoD so that God can keep fucking with him
>>153880255Sadly for all of us, Cain is jewish and as such will not ever accept he might have been in the wrong.
>>153880221imo I think these loredumps are somewhat nessecary due to how complex ttrpg settings are. almost like a quarter of NWG is characters being monologued at, but strangely I dont really mind with that (idk why)this guy pretty much perfectly sums up the recent episode in the wod /tg/ general>>>/tg/98101383 be sure to say hi everybody
>>153877953>accidentally makes SCP relevant to WoD>Anomalous entities are the result of the Technocracy's hold crumbling and consensus letting these dangerous things back in
>>153880229once again mummies are autistic and are all about humanity fuck yeah. Getting rid of creatures who throw out their humanity and accept the beast. Are monsters who only wish to harm humanity.Caine however doesn't give a fuck and hates most his children, vampires as a whole.
>>153878583The Burial Agency and the Iscariot Agency can mass produced holy weapons (like the black keys or the bayonnets) and silver bullets, which would be a definitive + for the SoL in WoDThe Burial Agency got the invincible monsters, but there's like less than 10 of them. While the Iscariot Agency have numbers but few legendary soldiers except for Alexander. Who would be the lowest tier if he was in the Burial Agency.
>>153879631Even the Red Talons who aren't in the dark are like that though. Matilda's lot are ironically better because they see the old generations refusing to change and are like "Look how fucking well that's been working for us"
>>153880271Kitten is hysterical because Marcus is basically his rock and D doesn’t want to lose another kid doesn’t make it better, honestly they need to tone down how dependent he is on Mark. Door is just there but he was right to not want to give Boy to Pentex, even if they could get Mark back. The Coalition people seemed to be dregs on purpose since Norfolk is pretty much a backwater and no one really gives a shit about it. A bunch honestly felt like being there just for the sake of introducing the Coalition and getting to know the players and how they operate. It was always going to be a matter of the SoL being the actual group they teamed up with given how intertwined the characters already are. I mean Remold’s daughter is their rep ffs. Overall the lore was fine but it felt way too biased. That whole angry tirade and clown car sitch felt off but at the same time it felt like someone was self aware enough to remember and say “yeah but they are one of the few groups that actually get shit done and them basically screaming and crying at them isn’t going to get Marckus back”. Union guys were the only chill ones and they were retarded in their own right and the way they operate feels inefficient by design. Also yeah Bilgewell felt out of place, giving off major HR cunt vibes, and I wonder what she even does? Is she a scholar or just some mouthpiece for the bureaucratic fuck fest of supernatural glowie nonsense?
>>153879631Not all of them, yes. Some are perfectly content staying in woods. But you think that's going to remain so?They can blend in much better than vampires you know? Infiltrate corporate world too, as well. They are already here. in offices and board meetings. Glass-walking they call it, and that's their future. M'tilda here is just a harbinger of what's ta come. Only clear, equalized power source can help working men and women to fight against what's coming. And isn'at it funny how every time you try to get some, the wolves are already there telling you "shouldn't",
>>153880229>i dont know much about Cain outside VTMBMate, it's quite literally the second story in the bible>Two bros, Cain and Able are giving offerings to God>God likes Able's offering better>Cain gets jelous>Later, Cain grabs a rock and dis-ables Able>God asks Cain where his brother is>Cain says "i'm not his babysitter why should i know lmao">God banishes Cain to a life of hardship for murdering his brother>God also puts a special mark on Cain to stop anyone from murdering him in turn; after Cain whines about the possibilityThere was also that part about a war for the green alien crystals from outer space but that's another story
>>153880461>Is she a scholar or just some mouthpiece for the bureaucratic fuck fest of supernatural glowie nonsense?She is definitely a front for a gov't op (she knows of Project Twilight after all) and her powerful HR aura is to keep people away from it. Any gov't supernatural org is always a shell game for who is actually in charge or knows something, and they are often competing with each other for funding and keeping information from each other to stay ahead on the arms race.
shot in the dark but does anyone have the image of all these people sitting at the table with none of the text or character bubbles?
>>153880490>There was also that part about a war for the green alien crystals from outer space but that's another storyCain wants to kill Superman?!
>>153880461copy paste that to the anon in question here >>>/tg/98101383>>153880498available on their patreon for free.I can excuse how dependant kitten is on Marcus. I mean id be crashing out just as hard if my mother or sister were stolen to another realm, his reaction seems fine
>>153880461>tone down how dependent he is on MarkusWho? D or Kitten? Both could work as character growth, but I think it makes sense for Kitten. When you think about>His whole life has basically been consumed by the Hunt>He's more like the D gang that consider examining and note taking without actual hunting pussy unhelpful shit>Shares his hobbies (all of them)>Everyone is shorter than MarkusHe's pretty fucked for choices and I wager without the companion ship the toll of the hunt is probably a bit too large for someone who's not exactly a born psychopath
>>153880497Yeah but she also felt way too… histrionic. Like I was expecting someone like Polydora. Sufficiently cunty but at the same time has the veneer of professionalism and tact. Someone who will be able to give a well veiled threat and you would be unable to actually deal with them without looking like or being twisted into the bad guy in that situation. Blair kind of had that going on but her usual behavior/personality shined through. I mean the pearl clutching and literal crying over the lost data felt a little too over the top. I know the series is effectively going to be a parody and everyone is going to be some hyperbolized version of what they would be but again this felt like a little too much.
What do you boys wants from O'Tolley's?
>>153880590>Willingly eating bane spiritshellfuckingno
>>153880578She's a pencil pusher given an ounce of power. They let it get to their heads. The knowledge they can say and do whatever they want and not be punished can create an enormous asshole, in fiction and real life
>>153880547Kitten, and my main issue isn’t that he is dependent it’s that he’s too dependent. He’s normally the one who wants to keep things calm and is the voice of reason even in rough situations. Even when Marckus was in danger with Pyotr he was relatively chill. But this feels way too much, kind of out of character for him.
>>153880628Even Werewolves like fast food.
>>153880630While true it can take many different forms, as seen with Polydora, Palmer, and Blair (at the meeting), all cunty and having their power but give a different vibe all together.
>>153880633Fair, with Pyotr though they were both in danger and I think Kitten feels better in danger together than in danger apart. Big gap here too is that Kitten outright understands they have absolutely no chance against a werewolf I think, compared to Pyotr
>>153880633To be fair, with Pyotr they were together and on their home turf with traps and shit against one foe. Here Markus is alone and on the woofs home turf where just one of them would have stomped the absolute shit out of super Pyotr. This is a different far more dangerous league
>>153878329Instead of committing to the pointless gamba of guessing the relation, simply say:> "Yes? What about her?"
>>153880590Goblinbuster>>153880628More for me, don't blame me when you don't have two dicks like all the cool kids
>>153880578Tbf given the scenario and circumstance they are almost certainly not sending their best to the negotiations, we already know from Blaire being there it's at best the C-team for everyone except the Union guys. The Swede barely knows English and Palmer has Blaire so doped up she's probably not even sure where she is and only seems lucid when violence is involved.>>153880590There is only so much they can possibly do to fresh fruit, it's not like they can torture the plants with factory farming to imbue them with banes or anything. Gimme the fruit cup.>>153880633Wolves are a whole other league from Vamps, and they are no longer on their home turf. On some level I think Kitten also deeply desires to avenge himself on the wolves because they hurt his friends and his ex (who he still has some feelings over).
>>153880590Bucket of blood.
>>153880723>There is only so much they can possibly do to fresh fruit
>>153878725Yeah, it's getting pretty blatant. All female interest is getting portrayed as evil>Benedicte gets reacted with disdain despite trying her darnest to get through>Black HR lady wanting to take D/Kitten with her to London>Blair wanting to "employ" Boy in perpentuumThis episode and Coalition plot is just an excuse to portray women preying on sensitive homo males
>>153880083https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Burial_Agency>Problem is they'd get infiltrated and subverted hard by malicious actors, much like the Leopoldites.Aren't the like, 8 people? And if Ciel who is immortal and got magic powers and all is the weakest of the group, I don't see how the kindred could infiltrate them
What makes the Society of Saint Leopold bad aside from people's hate boner for Christianity?
>>153880590Garg'o's meal deal for me.
>>153878630Aren't Fae and Changlings literally damaged by mundanity?Wouldn't engaging in a domestic lifestyle with an IRS agent of all things be akin to constant torture for her?
>>153880818>She loves him>Being with him hurts herCINEMA.
>>153880669Those are people who were in their position for a long time, and were being watched by their higher ups for a long while before being let off the leash. Bitchy MacBitchfield strikes me as someone who didn't get that training. Someone who was let off the leash too early and told to just do whatever. And she took that as a pass to be as horrible as she wants.
>>153879187What are you on about?
>>153880818Imagine getting a fairy companion and then she literally dies of cringe
>>153880682>Fair, with Pyotr though they were both in danger and I think Kitten feels better in danger together than in danger apartI get that but they should tone it down just a little bit have him be a little more chill I guess, he should be worried and should be upset, but he is way to much of both to be feasibly functioning at the level he is atm. >>153880686>To be fair, with Pyotr they were together and on their home turf with traps and shit against one foeAgain I get that, but Marck was fucked up in the tunnels as well until they managed to get a grip of the situation and he was still relatively reasonable. Again I am not against him being worried or upset they just need to rein it in a little.
>>153880804Historically the Catholic Church has been more a very useful tool for Vampires than a bulwark against them, and the Leopoldites aren't really an exception there. Church Hunters have always been very useful pawns for Vampires who can selectively leak info to purge rivals and consolidate power without needing to dirty their hands. Them purging weaker / less smart vamps is good from a Masquarade perspective as well, as it allows the most elite, smart, and powerful vampires to have an easy way to rid themselves of weaker vampires and keep the blood monopoly for theirselves - the proliferation of Thinbloods is literally a sign of Gehenna. >>153880818If Robot really loves filing taxes it'll produce Glamour instead which fae feed on.
>>153880590For me, it's the Breaded Power Skin™
>>153880590Gotta go with a classic gutbuster with some tallow rings. Also, the hell is flaeske koua? It feels like the equivalent of the isosceles fish sandwich.>>153880628He says fishing fries out of a Micky D's bag>>153880723>There is only so much they can possibly do to fresh fruitOh, how I wish you were right
>>153880654Eating one won't do much. No more than a porkchop full of carcinogens will hurt you. Human body is a resilient thing. It will filter out poisons and hunt down the cancer cells that are mutating inside you in a daily basis. It's when you oberload it with poison, that's when problems start.I would think that in WoD, the same thing holds true for the human body in terms of spriritual resistance to bane shit. Yeah eating one may let a bane sink its claws in you, but you aren't going to notice it while autonomous systems dislodge the fucker. The problems start when you keep indulging and let the banes latch on faster than your body can pry them out.
>>153880461>>153880578this is the one thing I disagree with the tg anon about. these kinds of lawyer and buerocrat cunts existed, especially in the new labour/blairite years of mid 2000s.
Why give the leopoldites shit for the medieval inquisition? Doesn't the modern order only go after actual supernaturals?
>>153880941Okay yeah that’s fucked.
>>153880956Because they pretend to still be the same organization?
>>153880804I take it for similar reasons as the 40k Inquisition only obviously dialed back in comparison. Holier than thou pricks who dont actually know the full picture and ultimately causing more problemsnwith their antics. Also having some (albeit lesser degree) of corruption via pentex and such but thats everyone
>>153880956Nah the Leopoldites have roots going back to the 1200s. A few of their members from that time are still alive even, iirc. So they are definitely invested in the 1st inquisition and are at least somewhat culpable for the excesses during it.
>>153880792They're just sensitive young men
>>153880956The fact they sat down at the table with all the other Wyrm corrupted orgs while insisting they are righteous and incorruptible didn't tip you off?
>>153878764 What do you think they could do if they did the D children incarnation of either Mortarion and or Alpharius and or Omegon. Also I love how they use inquisitor kryptman.
>>153881009>MortarionBrother Kanker
>>153880956They're forced to because if they don't play nice, they lose the favour that the pope recently granted them.If they had more authority and could do whatever wanted without consequence, they'd happily do society-wide purges and cast wide nets instead of performing targeted slayings.
>>153880920>Also, the hell is flaeske koua? IIt's roasted pork belly. Køua is a made up gibberish word so could just be some disgusting Danish slop that comes with orange sticks that just happen to look like carrots
>>153881009>MortarianProbably balls-deep in some kind of HazOps unit specialized in fighting against Pentex.>Alpharius / OmegonDeep cover SPD agent(s) working for the Techocracy but feigning loyalty to Pentex while leaking info to the Traditions, all for their own inscrutable plans.
>>153880590>lamb, beef tallow, pig lard, thick cut bacon, pâté, aspic What the fuck these are good meat foods I thought O'Tolleys was supposed to be bottom barrel fast food, where's the vegetable oils and vegan patties?
>>153877714Did that Gnome he saw curse him or something or was the face-stretching just for fun?>>153877867Seeing as their deal demanded guardianship of Boy, is there precedence for what a Worm-affiliated organization most likely do children? Something horrible I'm guessing, right?
>>153881033From AI "Brother Kanker" in the context of the World of Darkness refers to a sadistic, feral Nosferatu vampire who serves as a boss and plague-bearer in the video game Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines. He is sometimes conflated with the web series Hunter: The Parenting.Here is the breakdown of how these elements connect:Brother Kanker (VTMB)In Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines, Brother Kanker is a butcher and a madman. He is a member of the Brotherhood of the 9th Circle and hides out in the plague-bearer sewers beneath Los Angeles. He is a challenging, fast-moving melee boss who utilizes the supernatural physical strength of Potence. You're going to explain what that's going to have Mortarian Incarnation doing.
>>153881079I'm pretty sure Pentex has an Evil Boy Scouts to Evil Frat House to Evil Oil Baron pipeline Boy would fit in nicely.
>>153881091Do you not know Mortarion’s deal in 40k or the Chaos God he serves?
>>153880987I don't know if WoD history is different from ours in how the Inquisition operated, but the Church run Inquisition saved more people than it condemned.
>>153881074Europeans must think tallow and suet cooked food is unhealthier than seed oils. Alfa and friends are kinda faggy in that way.
>>153881147Saving people from the insane religious tensions and paranoia that the Church itself created is not commendable beyond not fucking the situation up further.
>>153881074>>153881162Obese fatmerican hands typed these posts while wildly wondering how do mediterraneans stay slimmer.
>>153881116 Yeah but what would they have Mortarion do in connection with the video game Boss? rBe his assistant or something or turn him into Brother Kanker?
>>153881147I mean it is in the name: World of Darkness.I have the inquisition in WoD went on for far longer and did more heinous things than good.
>>153880490yeah I know from about him from Islam and christianity, but was unsure about any other lore that Caine might have outside of what I played in vtmb
>>153881198It’s a reference to a dude that does similar shit to Mortarion. Stop being obtuse.
>>153880654Which is odd, since its all wyrm tainted.Infact, within the setting, probably everything you can buy from a grocery story is wyrm contaminated to some extent.You'd think they'd avoid eating anything they haven't personally cultivated.
>>153880654Who is this QT?
>>153880956The World of Darkness and its fans tend to be pretty firmly anti-religion. It is what it is. Better to just accept it as a fact of the universe and be happy that it was presented with at least some lip service to the fact that they still protect humanity in principle if not always in practice.Also, the World of Darkness isn't our "actual" Earth, it's Earth except shittier. The real inquisition executed around 2000-ish people, and most of its bad reputation comes from Protestant myth-making about how brutal and evil Catholics were. In other words, it's pretty biased and generally not true, roughly the same as how the iron maiden was an invention of imagination and propaganda that's never had an actual, historically accounted for use case--as far as I know. That said, while I would say 99% of the brutality that's entered the modern consensus is essentially lies, that doesn't make the inquisition good. They still killed people, it just wasn't a reign of endless terror or some shit. Mainly it was just an instrument of bigotry against jews and muslims that wasn't *that* much worse than the boiler-plate bigotry against jews and muslims that existed throughout the entirety of Europe almost everywhere. However, since this is World of Darkness, you can basically assume that their version of Earth is just way more brutal and shitty than ours was, so going by that standard the First Inquisition really was that bad in-universe and does have more actual wrongs to account for, even if the real inquisition's wrongs are mostly fabricated and come from myths rather than fact.
>The Coalition is completely corrupt by the Wyrm on almost every level.>The only thing they were interested in was the hunter data.This is sounding like Matilda/the werewolves, despite cocking up the case and causing this disaster, were ACTUALLY for once going after a good target, no?
>>153881112They are not going to put a sweet kid like him onto those.>>153881079>Something horrible I'm guessing, right?Oh you can't imagine. The series is set around 2006, which means that Boy would (propably) be around 16-18 when the T properly hits the LGB.That's entire years to pump him full of hormones, perform god-knows-what surgeries and mental conditioning... so he can be brought out as a perfect shill activist for Magadon inc's HRT products (and assosiated surgeries).
>>153881331Some anon's character from a Werewolf game he played.
>>153880802All the Burial Agency top guys have their own agendas but more or less they match up enough with>Damn, I want to kill some vampires (usually to take off suspicion from the fact that I'm literally a demon/fuck demons/fuck vampies/ a vampire/ a gene baby/ a mutant/ a psychopath)
>>153880590I'm feeling actual horror at how low those prices are. The fact the Family pack is 12 for $14 with 2 sides and drink when you can get a single burger with drink and sides for $6 is more terrifying for how those margins look and where they must be making up the "cost".
>>153877748FUCKING TOGO WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN HERE
>>153880998This is the main issue with them.They're compromised by wyrmish influences, and have been since their inception.If the Order of Saint Leiopold actually were as pure and virtuous as they claim to be, they'd vehemently oppose Pentex and everything aligned with them.
>>153879831Not really. Things just played out that way.
>>153879888because Marckus is a good boy
>>153881447They got a twitter or something?'Cause I want more.
>>153879966>Insisting that VtM is the only real WoD gameThis part is accurate though
>>153881473Inflation's a bitch. If you actually use pounds or euros, just be glad you aren't an American right now.
>>153881548All I got and I only ever saw them posted in this these threads. Sorry if imgur is blocked in your country.https://imgur.com/a/biVPGBi
>>153880156WoD's Big G is kind of Caine's sire in a sense and gave him the super curse thing so he has to deal with all the bullshit until he finally genuinely goes "...Maybe killing my brother WAS bad. Sorry grandpa." and then things would get fixed.Alas, WoD Caine is the most stubborn fuck asshole in existence so instead the big man just trolls him
>My friend really, really wants me to watch this with him>All the extreme homofuck gay shit on top of the quirky chungus humor from the first episode alone makes me want to blow my brains outIt's just going to get worse later on, isn't it?
>>153881407Yes?The werewolves have enough operational competence to target Pentex and their affiliates on a broad-level.Even the most zealous individuals are not complete lobotomites, despite what some anons might have you believe.However, as a faction they are critically deficient in tactical finesse and strategic acumen.They'll see an infected cut on a finger and 'treat' it by proceeding to rip the whole finger off.
>>153881663The first episode is unanimously agreed to be the worst since they were finding their footing after TTS. It genuinely gets better as it goes. If you aren't into it by ep 3 then it probably isn't for you. The Kevin with Big D audio log in particular is really good
>>153881663Yes.The main group was just saved by old man yaoi in the latest episode. Everyone is remarkably fine with homosexuality despite the time period.
>>153881677>Rip the whole finger offOhohoho no no Anon. They'd rip the whole ARM off.
>>153881635Why is everything and everyone in this setting so miserable>God in the setting is basically ZeusOh, that's why
>>153878630smiley faces are the cherry on top:)
>>153881663I saw the zeroth episode before episode 1 and that's the only reason I stayed the courseIt does get better, but there is a throughline of quirk chungus
Does pentex ever deal with fae or mummies?
>>153881190I wish our fast food still cooked shit in fat. It's worse now that it's not.
>>153881857no one deals with faebut mummies are the real hero splat of the setting
>>153881857Yes.And yes, its as horrific as you are imagining.
>>153881724>Everyone is remarkably fine with homosexuality despite the time period.That's what bugs me. Yeah, I get it, gays in world of darkness isn't anything new. But it's the only spice you get now and you are not exactly bucking trends or being a rebel about it anymore, let alone in a time period piece where the most you might get is one person being an outlier who will get his shit kicked in for being homophobic in the future anyway.
>>153881724>>153881886is no one bringing up the fact the fanatical religious organization is accepting a gay marriage in regards to their lawtism?
>>153878765>>153878805>werewolf of the "we should kill/enslave all humans" faction>not evil
>>153878815>AmandaUgly>GrimalGhoul>EliseA fairy or some other shit.
>>153880804>What makes the Society of Saint Leopold badBeing a christian group written by people who hate christianity.
The gay shit's... weird in this. Yeah, it's unpleasant and I wish it wasn't there. It also feels genuine, in a way. The gay writers wanted their characters to be gay.. Everyone around the characters being accepting of homosexual relations also fits into that, I think. A story about hunting the supernatural would be detracted by fags taking time to have hurt feelings from insults, and the writers wanting to make a world where it's just accepted. Or at least partially. So it's more forgivable than abhorrent women or men that act like women making gay characters to mark off diversity checkboxes to show off about righteous they are. To me anyways. Maybe I'm being a fag enabler when they should be stoned. The Catholics at least should've put more effort into rejecting it.
this entire mess reminds me of this
>>153881857Bane mummies are a thing. And Pentex is the number one purveyor of Banality.
>>153881564No, not price hikes (which are shareholder based primarily, despite what they say) but just the way the percentage of increase versus item increased doesn't add up, supernaturally so.
It took until reading the credits to realize that two of the background leopoldites is just Vinny putting on his Mario and Luigi voice.
>>153882108I don't mind it much since its not obnoxious about it
>>153881091>>153881198I should fucking kill you for posting this garbage.
>>153881697this. ep 3 and Kevin audiolog are the actual good shit.>>153881886>>153881974this. brought it up last thread but while I can excuse the Leopoldites following treaty inspite of the gay marriage due to the treaty needing to be obeyed, the fact not a single one commented on this is very dumb. gays were more accepted in this period than say the 90s and it marriage would be legalised just 8 years after the series by a Tory government, but either way it's rather stupid especially given how strained it is.
>>153882109There are definitely shades to this but the space marines are still not the good guys of 40k and it will remain the Tau until they retcon them again to be worse
>>153882175>space commies>good
>>153882109That human soldier is from the Imperial Guard, he's not fighting to protect family and planet.
>>153882175You read the newest Farsight novel? They now have rooms where they strap dissenters down and blast them with propaganda ala clockwork orange until they piss and shit themselves to death
>>153882194>space stalinists vs bad buerocrats vs bugs vs retarded unorganised elfs yes actually
>>153882175>Tau>good guys
>>153881663I was in the exact same boat as you. Start with either Probing of Kevin or the Kitten and Big D audiolog, then if you like that go back and watch the first episode.
>>153882197blasphemy
>>153882108Yeah constantly whining about being maligned for being gay would be bad. It really just needs a few more people going, woah wait what? And then accepting it or more villainous characters going for the low hanging fruit.It's not the easiest thing to master though, so given all the ways they could have fucked it up and didn't they're not doing a horrible job... but it does feel a bit inauthentic, if that's the right word.
>>153882208>to death...so why would they bother propagandizing them?
>>153882175Tau aren't good. They are just the relatively least offensive compared to almost everyone else. The ACTUAL good guys and perpetual winners of 40k are the Orks
>>153882108I can't decide whether I want the gay couples to show some actual romantic chemistry between them or if it's better to keep the current status quo where the script keeps calling them boyfriends/ex-husbands but it's really just an incidental part of their character.
>>153882227The Imperial Guard doesn't defend jack, you're thinking of the PDF. Imperial Guards fight either for a salary or because they got conscripted to go facetank bullets, and never near their own planets of origin.
>>153882109I've been told that life for humans in the WH40K universe is an endless parage of shit no matter their station. From the lowly Hiveworld mutant to the gleaming Primarchs themselves.
>>153882275BLASPHEMY
>>153881473This was back in 2006, so not nearly the same level of insane bullshit and British Pounds had more buying power at the time
>>153882257Orks can and will beat children to death for fun. They are not good when they also don't care for humies screaming as they get shanked to death for fun by a Grot or fed to a squig, or shit like a Dok removing every human's teeth for like, basically fun and profit.They're murder machines that aren't actually all fun and games, they also beat the shit out of eachother constantly and basically have permanent dick measuring contests with extra back stabby bullshit between one another. Orks are one of the worst groups in the entire setting and everyone sucking their dick is basically falling for Papa Nurgle Loves You tier propaganda.
>>153882240I don't know man, that's just what they wrote, go read it and you'll see it
>>153882289Ehh depends where you are. If you are in an out of the way agri or paradise world that's not being actively butt fucked by one of the other factions then its pretty nice for the normie humans there.Shit's fucked if you live in a hive worldAll the primarchs are dealing with bullshit in some faction with Gulliman in particular on the verge of wanting to nuke the Imperium wholesale as it is right now since everything about it infuriates him to no end.
>>153881663The endlessly gay stuff is just 1st episode really, it's heavily toned down in later parts
list of plot threads so far (pls add if im missing)>kevin's sister>grimal clearly being the ghoul>the ghoul>ross>Grandad Foodstuffs/Pentax knowing Door knows>what happened in the 90s with Anthony and Marcus summoning a demon>Kittens house ownership>Kittens family>smurpels status>D's "reckoning"
>>153882338Zounds like youz a weak dum grot
>>153882352That sounds like they're just giving the Tau the Bretonnia absolute grimderp treatment of 90% taxes for zero benefits plus you die if you touch the lord's horse's grazing fields.
>>153882355>All the primarchs are dealing with bullshit in some faction with Gulliman in particular on the verge of wanting to nuke the Imperium wholesale as it is right now since everything about it infuriates him to no end.what a whiney loser faggot
>>153882374Krakus
>>153881886>>153881974>>153882166While I agree with this, as a defense to the series, WoD in general is supposed to crank up overall apathy, degeneracy, and edge beyond the normal world. So your incredibly murderhappy almost unthinking religious goon probably thinks the homosexuals are weird, but he wouldn't particularly care about them in the context of vampires or werewolf shit going on. Ultimately, it's a slightly alt-history setting and made by extreme gooners. You should read up all the weird sex shit going on in the books
>>153882374Horse's prophecy.Dog ghouls and Kevin's cat.The 99p store and everything in it, including Giles who's now mutilated.Togo.
>>153882374The Palmer/Pentex run in with KevinKrakusThe 99P store and The Blue ManThe dogs which might tie in with SmurplesHorse's prophecy
>>153882393Who Gulliman? To his credit he did step up and his rage is understandable. Guy woke up to find everything he fought for having turned into an absolute shit pile and his reunion with his dad was pretty fucked.
>>153882464oh pleasethe imperium was just as fucked even back in his timechalk it up to horrible writing on the writers' part
>>153881663Yes it does. I physically cant watch the bat audiodrama because the anime parody character is insufferable there. It could be worse
>>153882494Is that the boy one? I think most anons consider it one you should skip since it boils down to>Boy makes anime noises for an hour and blatantly rips off DBZDespite it somewhat foreshadowing story events like Ross
>>153882270>>153882356I just think that the gay stuff is what's keeping his squad udner wraps. Most vampires and other forces think in very long-term, and them being bunch of fags who will never generate progeny to carry on makes D and his squad very inoffensive to most of the really strong enemies they may have. Big D himself has had children before, so it's also possible that his status as fraud might be caused by homosexuality increasing over the years.It puts a kind of nasty spin on Pentex focusing entirely on the two non-homo memebers of crew, Door and Boy. They are only ones who might give opposition to consumption plan in long run.
>>153882374>>153882434>>153882437HtP is a lot like TADC i noticed>Hey look, we have this setting>Here's a hundred plot threads that may or may not be resolved>No time for that, shit has already hit the fan by chapter 5>You want some answers? Too bad, here's bunch of characters crying about that one guy, again
>>153882489We're talking relatively here. 40k as a setting was fucked throughout just about its entire timelines including to before humans were even a thing with the Eldar and Necrons ass fucking the galaxy and the warp to the extreme
>>153880101>DD/LB yaoiGay marriage is one thing but if you know what this means you have wyrm taint
>>153882334>>153881473kill every last neolib auster-rat>>153882394hes a joke that will probably only get mild elaboration in 5 years time
>>153882494>BatI assume you mean The Boy one. That was intended to be weaponized wholesome cringe though
>>153882549>my dystopian shithole was better than this dystopian shithole!yes
>>153880804I guess that would be their apporach towards hunting. They're really good at killing things, which is great, they're also not above causing collateral damage as long as they get their target. In the bool there's a line about how inquisitors should avoid encounter but if a cop stops them in the middle of their hunt? Well, sucks to be that guy, he's probably gonna get shot. Burning down a residential block is fine as long as the vampire burns down with it. Don't expect them to share their knowledge with you, you're just an expandable pair of hands to them. They're pragmatic, zealous and ancient. They have True Faith, Theurgy (Sorcery), shitload of firepower and government contacts at their disposal.
>>153882536That's just WoD in general. Most people in the setting itself barely have any clue what else is going on and there's a hundred things going on at once
>>153882536Worrying. I do believe they have said they were already getting burnt out on ttsby the time the plot got rolling. So it could be they have a problem with making plot threads that dont get resolved
>>153882594This. I assume most of these "plot"points are just expanding the HtP world, not threads that will be followed up on. Hunters can't be everywhere, can't learn all of teh secrets. They'll be dead before that happens.
>>153882532Interesting theory, though I have my suspicion it's because they know something of Boy and Door that doesn't quite apply to the other characters. Also, Pentex indoctrination is potent and acquiring capable indentured workers early is probably something the management (Palmer) would enjoy. They can turn him into some sort of giga-fomor. I'm 99% sure Ross is related to them
>>153882571>>153882494No I meant bar. Where grimal gets introduced.>talking about hating women when anon asked about gay men problems
>>153878583Dunno how he'd fare against the higher level stuff but I'm sure Anderson would make mincemeat of anything below an Elder vampire. He's got blessed weapons, true faith, and the ability to regenerate to some degree.Iscariot is also fanatical enough to be willing to purge their ranks of anything they find subversive or supernatural, so any Pentex infiltrators would likely get a visit in the night. This may culminate in either Pentex backing off from the Vatican or Iscariot being disbanded or even excommunicated, depending on what sort of respective influence they have.On the other hand, I think Iscariot wouldn't bother answering a call for help from Protestants and other heathens; they're overall more concerned with defending Catholicism than humanity as a whole. Big D and his family would be considered as valid a target as any vampire if they crossed paths during a hunt. Not that they'd be active in Norfolk; it's Anglican territory, though Big D would likely have crossed paths with them in Italy, Ireland, South America, or other predominantly Catholic countries. It would take either a very big offer or an order from an archbishop to get them to play nice in this situation.
>>153882612>do believe they have said they were already getting burnt out on ttsby the time the plot got rolling.This shit againThat was TEAM FOUR STARfrom the DRAGON BALL Z ABRIDGEDThey planned for season 4 but got burnt out and stoppedIt blows my mind how people still confuse both situations
>>153882572In the context of 40k, yes.>Things, while shit to us, was his normal>Wake up and now things are 1000x worse than that, now also in direct counter to his normal on top of it, and then dad psychic messages him saying "You suck, things are fucked, oh and go fix all this faggot lmao."The anger is understandable
>>153880987>A few of their members from that time are still alive evenYeah, gonna need a source for that one.
>>153882653Both include Taka, sometimes.
>>153882536There is two crucial differences with TADC though, this is made with no definitive end in sight so there's no "Oh my god how are all these plot lines going to get resolved by episode 9 with just one hour (TADC simply didn't)", and they're doing these audiologs that take place between chapters.Also a third, though that one's more iffy, is that not all of these plotlines are equal in importance. Something like Smurples can afford to just be a recurring background joke, Kevin's sister can just banish out of relevance much like how vampire previous families tend to in this setting, etc. TADC's problem was that it was 6 characters locked up in a very tight space with a very simple premise of "get out of the circus/survive the circus", which meant every little detail felt like it could be important as, in theory, nothing they ever encountered happened just because but by design. The family live in a big ass setting where shit is happening constantly regardless of them. For example, if you were to encounter the worm guy from Door and Boy's adventure in TADC (and it wasn't merely just another Caine horror adventure) the whole effort would be on figuring out where the fuck did this guy come from, who did that to him, what's the meaning, etc. In here, it can afford to literally just be a fortuitous random encounter where it doesn't matter where he came from or who he was and it won't hurt the narrative.
>>153882684Has he done any other roles for Ogre Poppenang apart from CI-CI-CIAPHAS CAIN, HERO OF THE IMPERIUM?
>>153882735Wasn't he also The Deceiver?
>>153882747Doesn't look like it, no.
>>153882578I'm pretty sure they've got the backing of one of the actual Mage factions. I think one of them is super christian.
>>153882536disagree. Tadc was a short form and much more expensive series which is fundamentally drowning in soppy trauma psychology shit whereas HTP (though however more id like it to be more philosophical) actually is equally plot and character driven while not having cringe millennial psychoshit being pretty minimal so far.>>153882437>>153882434>horses prophecy isnt really a plotline as opposed to the mystery about him>dogs are solved>planeaudio log is complete except for briefcase>Gilles situation is also not really that relevant. will probably still be mentioned later thotogo didn't exist in the early released audio on patreon, they literally added him in the video. probably some technical reason the audio needed to be cut or something and then they decided to be cheeky with it
>>153882837Nah dude, Togo is the key to all of this.
>>153882815They were backed by the Celestial Chorus when the original inquisition kicked off. Didn't save them from being branded as heretics and burned. The inquisition did a lot of damage to them.
>>153882557I'm offended you'd identify me as such. Account for the cost of a drink and side combined with the burger and the compare how they barely double the price and multiple the number of patties by 12 while only making the sides large and adding 3 more drinks. That just doesn't add up sensibly, which is horrifying.
The D Family travel to Staten Island and decide to hunt picrel. How does it go down?
>>153878294Out of the deals made, only three terms seemed to be actually concerned about actual recompense for resources granted, and two of those terms came in with the Swede of all people.The union did the usual Union Strongarming with basically no actual offer of assistance otherwise, Pentex was retarded and didn't take the guaranteed Wyrm corruption route of having fair and easily accepted terms, The Church was churching all over the place, and the Data Woman's Job term wasn't even close to her actual valuable term of D's Data (Which I think was valuable enough he could weasel out of a NDA).If someone came up to me and said they wasted a squad of soldiers in exchange for giving someone a job that they'd renege on, I'd ask them what the fuck they were thinking with that offer.
>>153882632Ohh, the bar. I think the Bar is pretty interesting, but yes I do understand Grimal is an acquired taste. It introduced you very adequately into the arcanum's younger member character dynamics, and I think served as a bit fo a teaser for Markus being somewhat talented at magic shit
>>153882999no no. I wasn't calling (you) a neolib. just expressing my general hatred for them overall. not to go into far into unrelated territory but I just wanted to post a meme to vent given that every media and midwit 100k yt channel's take is just "WE NEED 70% MORE AUSTERITY RIGHT NOW"freedom of press was a mistake
>>153882625Yeah, big question is how intentionally D is nerfing himself by avodiing female contact.It could be drama relating to other children he has had... And I don't like how Marcus' and Door's mothers are essentially non-entities. It feels like dishonest storytelling, or that they are building for some twist (they might forget about entirely). I think there's 90% chance Ross is Garou, so that would mean D dicked a werewolf - propably spiral dancer too.And I don't really like the idea of a semi-immortal fag pumping and dumping women for children (all male btw). Kind of wurmish
>>153880590>Could i get a uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>153883263stop posting the burger lady I'm getting too aroused
>>153883381Stop calling her that you will make her cry!
>>153883445I could make her scream instead
>>153883263The funniest shit ever is the endless shit of the Wyrm Wyld Weaver. Technically Mummies are overflowing with Wyld shit but he just acts like a reckless Wyrm Weaver jackass asshole dipshit moron most of the time while pretending he's Wyld.>endless hierarchy that's solid as shit and that he refuses to budge>endlessly denies actual real research because too dangerous, stratifying his importance>carrying murder shit like Death Magicks and endlessly focused on murdering shit 24/7, he's basically an entity that exists only to destroy lie gaslight bullshit and more>pretends he's anti entropy but basically has not created fucking anything of real worth, shipped all his research to the fucking Arcanum instead of ever sharing shit across people like the Union, and even so he's so retarded most of his everything is considered (rightfully) to be irrelevant lunacy like dog cancer tangents>steals shit 24/7, does drugs, vandalizes religious orgs because he's edgy, encourages burning shit down for fun>zero shits given for his previous husbands and wives, also does not give a fuck about his children until one goes missing, lets the fucker with zero medical aid and making shit scrap crutches, to the point the child wants a revolt for *aspirin*>basically ignores Boy until Kitten actually tells him to fucking pay attention>has changed his mind on and has embraced nothing of worth from modernity at all>legitimately gaslights and gatekeeps everyone around him>instant reaction to everything is basically just physical or psychological violenceLike seriously, what the fuck is wrong with this guy.
>>153883445i wonder what state of mind she's even inlike what lead her to being so thoroughly thralled by the wyrmdoes she have the mind of a child? is the rest of it filled with corpospeak?
>>153883263One of his "kids" is a horse possessed by a demon, I don't think adoption is off the table. Anyway D seems kind of less trying to pump and dump and more like the relationships end up not working out, like with Occam, because D is reckless and irresponsible to a fault and seems content to shoulder the burden of knowledge all to himself. Additionally, if he is a Mummy the whole having children thing would probably matter less and less as he grows older. They'd be his responsibility as honour calls for but it's not necessarily something that he actively thinks about between his reckoning and the passage of time. And I doubt D is a Mummy, just merely a weirdo. Not enough focus on dabbing on Set for him to be a mummy.
>>153883503Drugs, pain, murder, and corporate lobotomy. Blaire must have so many banes up her ass that she instinctively fears Palmer, who I strongly suspect is a Ferectoi
>>153883539Palmer seems like a clear Syndicate Technocrat but aight Anon, explain why.
>>153881410We need an edit with Elise doing this.Also, Elise is best girl.
>>153883501>>endlessly denies actual real research because too dangerous, stratifying his importanceHe encourages research though, he just refuses to straight up say what they should be looking for (and in turn, what they should NOT poke at).Kinda right on everything else though.
what are demons in wod
>>153883612fallen angels
>>153883539>>153883557IIRC Banes can occasionally get into Supernatural creatures like Werewolves and Vampires and create Fomori, so not sure if him being a Syndicate would actually prevent that
>>153881009My educated guesses>Rouboute- the only one who can consistently hold a day job while hunting, either a mid-level exec or government. Roped into helping Big D commit tax evasion constantly.>Angron- Street fighter. Maybe the only of D's sons who could fistfight the supernatural, prefers to use a fireaxe wrapped in razor wire.>Alpharius- Decided to combat the various secret orgs by subverting them. Or maybe he simply wants to take over, we're really not sure anymore. Has ties to every major conspiracy group in the setting, somehow.>Sanguinius- Secretly a Hunter Ghoul, somehow not lost in the sauce but walking a razor's edge>Jaghatai- Street racer/biker, has more traffic violations than Big D himself>Vulkan- Animal conservationist/occasional arsonist>Corvus- Spends his free time reciting dark poetry at coffee shops. Currently traveling cross country with Vulkan>Lorgar- Backwater fire and brimstone preacher trying to form his own (Baptist) Society of Leopold with blackjack and hookers>Perturabo- Former military sapper/demolitions. Jealous of Door for tagging with D>Fulgrim- Pushing the boundaries of Haute Couture. Frequent crossdresser.>Lion- Full-time hunter, focused and dedicated even by Big D's standards. Very aloof, prefers to work alone.>Konrad Curze- Plagued by Boy-ish visions of all the horrible things monsters do to people, cannot handle it at all. More mentally unstable by the day.>Ferrus- Engineer. Making himself a cool prosthetic hand after losing it during a hunt>Mortarion- Sincerely believes he's built different enough to tank Wyrm taint>BONUS: Sigismund- Boy's older brother. As zealous about killing the undead as Door, but cared less about collateral damage over time, left home before it truly boiled over but no longer on speaking terms with his father. Boy's still in the dark about the finer details and used him as the model for Ryu.Assume they're all active hunters. Group them into Cells by whatever you think would be funny.
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>>153881505Are the leopoldites even aware of the wyrm and that Pentex is a front for the wyrm?
>>153881387>Made a setting where Christianity is factually correct>Be anti-religion
>>153883678I mean Mages are basically made of Willpower, its pretty much their defining thing so I'm not sure you can really convert a dude like that.
>>153881387But muslims and jews are a real problem and deserved to get kicked out of Spain.
>>153883797you're asking too much from retarded liberals
>>153883757Just because God is real, that does mean that God is not a petty asshole of monstrous proportions.
>>153883539I think strongest indication isthat he supposedly flashes something resembling a cyclopean true form in episode 5.1... But I still think >>153883557Is a right guess.>He has some sort of weird hacking powers, whereas almost all bane stuff tends to be more Ron Spencer, let's say >He often talks in this weird ironicly self-aware style like he was detached observer of the system he's supposed to be part of, which stinks of mage sophistry
>>153877882Not your choice, yankee
>>153883879Trying to morally judge the originator of morality is retarded and arrogant.
>>153881886>>153881974Its WoD. This is hardly the place to be complaining about this, especially when the average Garou, Tzmisce or Coalition goon does far worse every fucking day.
>>153881387>tend to be pretty firmly anti-religionanyone with triple digit IQ is
>>153883557A Pentex stooge and a BSD wouldn't respect or listen to a technocrat nearly as much, a Mage would be much more careful of blatant magic use like Palmer's mindcontrol phone, the Fomori in the plane was deathly afraid of being found by Palmer, Ross actually listens to him begrudgingly. This makes me think he's a very high tier servant of the worm, and among the highest tier are Ferectoi which are basically just banes that incarnate into a human flesh form. Very cool shit. And yes, not only can they be Mages but Palmer might even be a Nephandi which would be very bad news and explains why everyone gets the creeps from him like Kevin or actively tries not to get on his bad side like Ross >>153883678It is extremely difficult for anything to get into a Mage unless the Mage wills it. The Avatar on the level of the Umbra and the Soul is so powerful it basically prevents anything supernatural from claiming a Mage's soul save something like Vampirism, but Vampirism is also a curse created by God so I think that makes it a reasonable exception. 99% of the time, a Mage would probably rather paradox themselves into a nuclear bomb than let a vampire embrace them though, so unless it's a desperate retard seeking immortality ala Tremere mages generally don't let those things happen. Except for Nephandi, who actively do it for the luls and because they're really fucking evil
>>153883757>>153883879God's Nature in the setting is forgiveness, you guys are just underestimating how much of an asshole Caine is. He's sort of an absentee though, so I guess there are no good guys in WoD>>153883908There's a Fomori power like this in Freak Legion isn't there? Mind Control of sorts?
>>153884015Turning reality into a living nightmare for everyone in it as punishment for one man because he refuses to do what you want is retarded and arrogant, and that's what WoD God does.
>>153884027>000 iqHuh, you're right
Does this mean the Family now has access to the rest of all the magic nonsense in the Arcanum's vault? Might as well use it, if we could lose it, ya know?
>>153884032>A Pentex stooge and a BSD wouldn't respect or listen to a technocrat nearly as much, a Mage would be much more careful of blatant magic use like Palmer's mindcontrol phone, the Fomori in the plane was deathly afraid of being found by Palmer, Ross actually listens to him begrudgingly.Important to note. He showed magic in front of a Tremere and the ghoul of a Tremere, that used to be the Chantry queen. The magic predisposition of the place was already sky fucking high, he basically could not possibly gain Paradox if he tried.
>>153884023But it is really silly when everything in the setting is "just like real world but 10 times worse"Except when it comes to gaysSuddenly everyone becomes open minded and wholesome and doesn't mind it at all
>>153884106>The meta comentary is right there. You said it, reality but 10 times worse Anon ;^)
>>153884023I'm not complaining about it. I'm wondering why it's not at the very least mentioned.
>>153880590I’m on a diet so I’ll go with Family Pack, super slopped and liquid demon seed on all four beverages. You know what… today’s cheat day so get me a donut too. Mind having it super slopped too?
>>153884092Would not be surprised if they have to assess it before they get their troops, which would put a hamper on any plans to raid potentially magical shit to use against wolves
>>153884096I suppose using a tool would mitigate the paradox quite a bit too, but technocrats are typically less upfront with their magic like that's aren't they?
>>153884027I would be completely shocked if you even understood the bare rudiments of religious thought in general, let alone Christianity.Your worldview is predicated on being purposefully stubborn and ignorant because learning too much about the things you hate is heresy to your secular ideology that's a religion in everything but name. You're the exact kind of dim-bulb cultist fag you like to complain about.The hate you feel for religion is unironically just a projection of the hate you feel for yourself.
>>153884162Relevant pic about your words
>>153884162>>153884184i don't think nu-age atheism will ever recover from reddit, dawkins thinking AI was a god, and being unironically funded by epstein
I want one of the Werewolves to be a gaming buddy that's Markus and Kitten both know.
>>153884056The problem is WoD's god fucks over everyone else to just punish one guy to get him to apologize. Like he still just lets him go around doing whatever the fuck and then punishes the victims of his spawn for being victims
>>153884162>>153884184As a self reported 140 IQ impartial schizo agnostic, I believe in the spiritual but I don't ascribe to a particular religion though I'll say I vaguely believe in Christian teachings and culture, as well as some of the theology as is proper living in a western society.
>>153880590I'd rather burn it to the ground.
>>153884233vampires can kill themselves at any timethe lovers were actual good people
I love that a Youtube cartoon show making the literal Inquisition morally grey (not even villains) is enough to make all of the oversensitive Christfags flip tables in outrage.
>>153884233To be fair, he didn't explicitly make the world a torture Nexus or fuck everyone else over, he sort of hyper fixated on Caine and everything went to shit because of him deciding to "persuade" Caine into an apology by giving him super powers
>>153884156Its a Syndicate, they're basically the most showoff fuckers in the whole band. Subtlety is not their forte and they often do the closest to hermetic like magic shit from all the traditions.
>>153884290are you retarded?
>>153884290Which posts?I don't see any of that.
>>153884233WoD's God is enigmatic enough that it's hard to say what his goals even are, or if he even exists. True Faith can arguably just come down to the same annoying consensus reality belief magic that powers mages, so it may not be real at all. And you have to take Noddist lore with a grain of salt because it's not exactly unbiased.
>>153883511>And I doubt D is a Mummy, just merely a weirdo. Not enough focus on dabbing on Set for him to be a mummy.The end of the werewolf episode makes it very clear he's supernatural himself, and this episode only hammers in the Mummy association with all the references to the turks and shit. Also, Set is very easily conflated with the Wyrm's BS.
>>153883734Pretty much nobody is actually aware of the full scope of what Pentex is. Even the Garou only barely understand it, generally speaking.>>153883764You absolutely can if the Bane is powerful enough. Inverting and corrupting somebody's Avatar is a thing after all - it's why Nephandi exist.
>>153878231If they're planning on sneaking out why do they have any right to bitch when the others are also not treating them fairly?
>>153884290Oh my god me im not flipping out but you cant hear that. me not flipping out
>>153884390Caine clearly did something to piss him off or he wouldn't be so powerful.Unless you buy into that plausible theory Caine somehow elevated himself to God's level by inventing murder in the first place and his "curse" is entirely self-imposed.
>>153881979This is why I hate the fucking furries. And it's looking like it's going to end up with "actually the humans should've tried to negotiate" or some shit.
>>153884431Yes but Nephandi allow their avatar to be inverted. Jumping into the Caul, the method to invert an avatar, doesn't immediately make one a Nephandus. It's either the guy wants to be a Nephandus and happily goes through like a thousand years of torture or they don't want to and just die at the end. Going into a Caul can be involuntary, but coming out a Nephandus is voluntary.
>>153884520>sneaks into your base>kills your man>maims another>kidnaps former memberWoooooooooooooooooooooow, I can't believe you didn't try negotiating! You're the real hateful bigots!
>>153884431>Pretty much nobody is actually aware of the full scope of what Pentex isThe funny thing is that not even the big CEO's on top know that. At least o nerliest editions one of the ruling commitee unironicly and honestly believed they were doing all of Pentex stuff to terraform Earth for aliens and receive psychic powers in exchange.
>>153884472Again, you're just taking Noddist lore for granted.It's not a hard *fact* that Caine is the biblical Caine, or that his powers come from God.What if Caine was just some whoopass early archmage who tried to permanently give himself powers with Life/Death/Time/Etc magic, and it was the paradox backlash that cursed him? And then, because this happened during biblical times, the people of the age recorded that story in the context of what they knew, IE, in and around a setting of superstition.I'm not saying you're wrong, but the point is you don't know, and there's a big difference between opinion and fact on the subject. It comes down to the opinion of the individual storyteller. Despite your desire for firm answers, this shit is left vague for a reason.
>>153884611vamps just being a byproduct of mage is soooo gaaaay though
>>153884184Religion is pointless to me personally
>>153884243It still would be good to prescribe to a given religion, if only to gain some traditions and a more codified pattern. I'm not really one to talk but still - Do as I say, not as I do>>153884688Dang its Johnny No-Sins here. Ready to toss the first stone?
>>153884639There is the implication that Lilith, Caine, and God were just rather powerful mages (omnipotent, in the case of God), but the books allow you to really pick and choose what sort of event is behind vampirism in the setting. The only real thing set in stone is that Caine is the first vampire
>>153884785>God>Magenow you're just being ridiculous
>>153884785Lillith was a mage though? She's the one who taught Caine how to do all the cool shit. It's like her one thing in setting.god being a mage is just jerking off mage too much
>>153884776>Johnny No-SinshuhI just don't gain any benefit from beliefone could more easily infer I'm Johnny All-Sins and not guilty
>>153884688Good for you I guess
>>153884290There are like several minutes of the main characters screaming about how evil and vile and disgusting the inquisition is
>>153884560See I agree but the furry fandom always gets pissy whenever you talk about wanting something horrible to happen to them. Fucking Impergium-causing shitheads, and don't try and tell me that happened ages ago, that bitch is part of the group that wants it to happen again!
>>153884439Probably because they'd have gladly paid the price if it was something reasonable in the slightest instead of, you know... lifelong slavery.
>>153881979It'll be really funny if it actually was just a scar.
>>153884803He may even have been an ascended mage, when you really look at the nonsense.>>153884824She was an Archmage I think? Yes it is too much Mage wank, you can probably ignore it since it doesn't matter though but Ascension is supposed to be reality changing anyway
>>153877748NO I REALLY REALLY DON'T WANT TOGO
>>153877748Fuck off Togo
>I cannot return to Londinium!>Too many Mithraic mystery cults lust for my GORGEOUS behind!So anyone want to take a bet on how many vampires he slept with to get his info on them?
>>153885212>She was an Archmage I think?More than that, she had an entire cabal of archmages as her understudies.
>>153880069Yeah the switch to making the audiologs plot relevant has worked out really well up to now, while there were a lot of really good bits in the episode it did feel like it was spinning its wheels narratively for half of it. I feel like they wanted to work in Blair and Pentex into the equation but ended up bloating it too much.
They're definitely too self indulgent with the audiologs
>>153878583Don't the Burials get their power from GOD. He aint there in WoD so aren't they kinda screwed?
>>153885593It’s speaker going full WOD autism but also making in character
>>153884156I think Palmer is a Nephandi but using a phone as a focus isn't that bad. Palmer could have waved his and and forced chap to talk anyway, there were no sleepers around and he was in the middle of nowhere.>but technocrats are typically less upfront with their magic like that's aren't they?Iteration X is pretty vulgar but they're cyborgs so it's understandable, Void Engineers need a device that reminds them not to use their cool shit on earth, other conventions are pretty coincidental in their methods with the Syndicate priding itself on being the most subtle of all,
>>153882494>getting filtered by the sheer unfiltered kino of Akira Crossngmi
>>153884611>or that his powers come from God.his powers come from lilith she taught him magic
>>153880590I know this shit's full of evil demon semen, but I still want to see what a Gutbuster XXL tastes like.
>>153882394>>153882557Krakus is just a callback to a joke character from TTS, there's really nothing to him
>>153885212>She was an Archmage I think?Magic literally comes from Lilith she is an oracle the oldest still on earth unlike archmages which have to fuck off from earth. Lilth can do wtv the fuck she wants, shes still salty with Caine and Satan tho. The night mother is the protector of humanity.
>>153880590I would love to eat at a parody fast food restaurant Like a late 90s gross out themed burger jointThat would be so fucking great honestly
>>153884825I'd rather call you over educated and tell you to stop being so egalitarian
>>153882747>>153882735IIRC he was intended to be Abbadon had the series not been canned, I don't think he ever did any other voices for them
>>153885483He did pole dance for the royal crown apparently,.That is at least one group
>>153882355>Shit's fucked if you live in a hive worldAnd of course by the nature of hive worlds that's where at least 90% of fuckers live even without stuff like civilised worlds having a single hive for a capital.
>>153885917what are you fucking talking about anon
>>153884106I think you're coming at this from the wrong perspective, pretty much every major character we've met so far either: A) have lengthy established relationships with each other, or B) have no real knowledge of certain character's relationships. Someone in the show not calling Marckus/Kitten/whoever a faggot and throwing rocks at them or whatever doesn't automatically mean they're totally accepting and okay with it. There is a degree of Marckus/Kitten keeping it on the DL in some of the side content, most people have bigger reasons to hate D's guts than his absurd sexual preferences, and then there's someone like Occam who's status and abilities afford him respect. You, and most other anons in this thread bitching about it who most likely are just you agreeing with yourself (>inb4 posting multiple (Yous) like that's even remotely difficult to fake) just seem to be looking for any excuse to stir up shit about the series.
>>153886219Anon, its 2003 in Great Britain, in a fuckoff middle of nowhere Norfolk. TF2 isn't out yet. Kitten is basically a 30 year old unemployed man who wears a kevlar lined pseudo kitty hoodie suit. Markus is literally a manchild NEET, objectively speaking, he is an actual bum that's basically also pushing towards the 30. Door is a veteran and the most productive member of the group because he's a hunter and probably has a pension, because otherwise, D is the definition of an arabic like immigrant who does nothing but fuck, steal, cheat, lie and harass just about fucking everyone he meets, family included. He's one public defecation mark away from being an Indian scamming spiritualist in England.There are *many* parts of the series worth criticizing and worth thinking are fucking weird. The lack of not even a single fag bash is weird, but so is the mystery status quo no monetary issues of 5 people existing in a mined out shithole house somehow affording to eat and drink and have money for gasoline on giant busses and shit, which objectively cannot be from D embracing his inner Nigger and stealing literally everything. There's the weirdness of Door taking his kid out to o'tolleys when nobody here has a single fucking job ever, the fact they got several M60s in fucking Britain somehow loaded on a school bus that'd get searched in 3 minutes, the extravagantly shit tier negotiations last episode, the absolute sheer fucking state of D's incoherent nonsense and gaslighting across the series, Markus being basically with no positives ever except his heroic sacrifice, the fucking upload speed being, frankly, abysmal, and even just basic shit like how Grimalin Smith by all accounts would have been beaten to an inch for her paddle shit by a Chav.The gay shit is also a valid criticism amidst the series. Gay marriage literally was their plot hook and it "saved" the day. Its perfectly fine to criticize the series for the several frayed strings of which it is composed.
>>153886411>D is the definition of an arabic like immigrant who does nothing but fuck, steal, cheat, lie and harass just about fucking everyone he meets, family includedgod if only they could all be like D
>>153886411>The lack of not even a single fag bash is weirdNot even from Broke Slackjaw and his goons. That alone stretches my suspension of disbelief further than Wizards and Vampires and Swedes and Werewolves.
>>153886544I don't think Broke Slakjaw even knows Marckus is gayDidn't he think the contact was a "girlfriend"
>>153885552>>153885892>Women>Not even onceFunny
>>153886451Really, you just remove the beefcake and the sword from D and he's basically just some Paki flavoured retard going on about random shit, writing about nonsense and generally being a fucking nuisance lying through his teeth and inflating the divorce rates. When you realize they basically made him the most racist parody of a lunatic foreigner, you legit unlock the real actual hilarity of the series, where it stops being hunting and is just The Adventures of Pajeetus the Mummy and his Useless NEET Shitass Sons, alongside the One Actually Honest Military Son and then Homeschooled Absinthe Drinking Kid as they Gaslight Gatekeep Ghost their way through Britain.He's basically one chakra talk away from owning an esoterica salon.>>153886544I get they're trying to hide in character the fact Markus is gay but he's not exactly fucking subtle, and Grimaline and shit are not tight lipped at all. That info would have gotten out instantly, and used to murderous effect. Its nonsense that the rumour mill of places like COCKthorpe has not made the 30 year old fagboys the hottest yaoibait in the region or the biggest target in the sector.
>>153886219Bitch I was looking at your words with respect to the end, that was clearly a good deal of people seeing a storytelling issue there, with various opinions on exactly how to resolve it or if it even needed to be resolved.
>>153885593>>153885640I don't mind it, but also I think it detracts heavily from the story unlike the post chapter 3 audio logs and Horse>>153886411Kitten most certainly has a pension from his time in the army doesn't he? I don't know how it works in the UK
>>153886656yesever read the bible?women are not meant to be in any position of power
>>153886411>Gay marriage literally was their plot hook and it "saved" the dayThat was just final gotcha punchline.FrauD had to be carried to that point by Remold CHADclaw (and his familial relationships).
>>153883005someone gets gay-raped
>>153886710>Kitten most certainly has a pension from his time in the army doesn't he? I don't know how it works in the UKDoor. Kitten is not an actual general, that was a guild online nickname that stuck. He says it as much in the horse thing. Not sure if Door does get his cash that way.
>>153883005Guillermo pulls up with an AR and basically wipes the floor with everyone. After that even the old warlord can actually just murder shit fine and the energy vampire can likely bore people to death in a very literal way. The woman is whatever, the scientist guy might actually be legit dangerous if he tries, but he'd likely try to fuck D and Door and give space for Guillermo to do shit.
>>153884233Golconda niggerLiterally sent Salubri as a prophet to the other vamps and he and his followers got fucked for it. If they aren't seeking out salvation, that's on them.
>>153886411There's a background trait in WoD for resources that can basically let you live off the grid for a pretty long amount of time, and iirc they're living in Kitten's house. The situation is weird but given that D is basically a vagabond drifter who clearly doesn't pay taxes, I wouldn't put it above him channeling his inner nigger and just siphoning gas in the name of the Reckoning.>M60'sSmuggling I would bet, Hunting isn't exactly the realm of law abiding citizens. Your criticisms are pretty valid though ultimately lacking historical or exact regional accuracy isn't really a big deal. I'm no Euro so I don't know if Europe is more homophobic than America overall but I would agree that 2003 is probably not simplest time for that sort of thing. The cast is pretty small though, and between the knowing friends of the gays and Brock's family, who's cousin is a Welsh gay, there's not that many people that would find much problem in it. The Catholic Church though? Yeah I could see that being the case and valid criticism there
>>153886411>>153886676You essentially present a non-argument whereupon your entire complaint just exists to justify you being upset nobody hates fags and immigrants, and as someone who hates fags and immigrants I gotta say you're making it very embarrassing to be on that side.. You're presenting a "who changes the Batmobile's tires" type of nonsense argument regarding the characters that is entirely irrelevant to the setting and narrative and expecting the show to stop in its tracks to comment about how Weird the characters are in that kind of obnoxious mid-2010s Reddit style of parody that adds nothing. And in addition to >>153886683 it's entirely fine to not like the "gay marriage saves the day" punchline (I think it's a fairly weak gotcha saved only by virtue of having been set up ages ago) but that's not the point you're attempting to address, you're just frothing at the mouth about Pakis and faggots when it's entirely irrelevant to the series.>>153886577Part of the point I bring up: Brok pretty clearly doesn't know Markcus is gay since he above anyone would bring it up, these are characters with greater histories we only have a tiny glimpse of.
>>153886786Kitten's character sheet says he spent some time in the English army or something I think but it could just be Door keeping everyone afloat
>>153886676>just The Adventures of Pajeetus the Mummy and his Useless NEET Shitass Sons, alongside the One Actually Honest Military Son and then Homeschooled Absinthe Drinking Kid as they Gaslight Gatekeep Ghost their way through Britain.Finally someone else sees it.
>>153886786>>153886853Depending on how long Door served and his status of discharge he'd be entitled to a pension until death, though the amount is dependent on rank/field so he might not be raking in that much. Same for Kitten who was probably some low level paperwork monkey, but I doubt he was involved for long enough to earn one.
>>153886710>>153886786D worked as high class male prostitute. Dude propably know Keir Starmer personally
>>153886825>Sent Salubri as a prophet>The guy who made the Baali, as a jokeThat's certainly a thought
>>153882747The Deceiver was voiced by Karstode
>>153886676>Homeschooled Absinthe Drinking KidAyahuasca, get it right.
>>153886827The prevalence of a ton of gay dudes is also something that should be seen as weird, but thats splitting hairs really. Early 2000s were not friendly in Europe, Punks at most in a lot of places, and even then. It feels dissonant when otherwise they put so much effort in sincere time accurate everything.>>153886837No, I have a lot of complaints about a lot of things and a lot of these start to indeed grind the gears of the story when you look at it a little. You can invoke the tires example but thats not actually a rebuttal, its you disliking the fact Im trying to take it even a little bit seriously in the way its presenting itself. Batman is dumb for a load of reasons, the logistics of anything he does, Tibetan monk shit, the utter insanity of his morality, the basically hypertech asspulls, it is a real criticism.You can say stories shouldn't need to account for all of those things, and you have a right to believe so, but the point is that with any scrutiny it starts to become weird and wobbly when it could in some ways be far more secure. Im not frothing at the mouth, and thats pretty obvious with even just a regular scan of what I'm saying. Im just mocking it because start removing some parts and it feels like the most racist shit in existence and its funny as hell that once you remove the muscles and swords, D is basically the stereotype but was written by very very open minded people.You dont like what Im saying but the wheels of the bat mobile do need to be changed. And when it becomes temporally impossible to do so with Alfred or Wayne, it does become a point where you either stop thinking and go with it, or where you realize its a weak point. And Im saying the series does have weak points, and that the weird gay non bash, the no catholic interaction and the weird ammount of gay dudes period alongside everything else is a point of valid criticism.
>>153887020You drink absinthe and he did it on the horse episode, tertiary.
>>153886977he made-up for it, by genociding them
>>153887070I honestly do not recall this.The only episode I haven't watched is the one about Boy's writing, because I can't work the next day if I've cringed my jaw off.I need to nut up and get through it, I know there's something important in there, but god it's a struggle.
>>153887049This is a very meandering roundabout way of saying you don't actually have any point to make beyond wanting to bitch about gays. You still don't present any logical reason for it or coherent criticism beyond your personal dislike for gays and immigrants, while then proving that my specific example of faint meaningless criticism via Batman was accurate by getting irrationally fixated on tiny insignificant details because you personally dislike them without properly articulating why it makes the series bad.
>>153886676>>153887020
>>153887049god nigga go back to /pol/ already
>>153877714Was if unintentional demonstration of the slippery slope the worm uses, as I understand it:>We'll help you, as we are kinda just like you, but you will work for us. We won't help you much>We'll help you, but we need you to capture X and turn in Y for examination. We can help slightly more.>We'll help you but you will work for us forever. You will be separated and not doing what you were doing, we will have our hands up your ass like Kermit the frog. Also, we are lying out our support and you only get slightly more support than the last guy.>We can give you actual proper support for the operation but we will own everything about you and what you know, especially owning your children and several proceeding generations. Also, we straight up work for the ultimate evil and I myself may be a skin monster.Then you have the Leopold>Straight up, you will be tradcath soldiers for God. No leaving, no quitting, no being a dick, you will be molded into our warriors and adhere to our philosophy instead of what you have. Also, we may have a Werewolf murder soldier peogram.
>>153887261homosexuals and minorities are such a small number of the western world's population that all inclusion is purposefulno exceptions
>>153887296include my nuts in your mouth retard
>>153887282The Black Shuck thing is going to come in to play again later, mark my words.
>>153887318i accept your concession
>>153887160He drinks it before he sees Horse for what he really is.>>153887198Its actually a very direct way of telling you that I already had other criticisms in >>153886411like the money situation, the utter awful negotiation, stuff like the bus being prime target for cop searches, shit like living expenses not actually being doable by a single thieving guy, and probably more if I truly tried going for more really.But you dont like what Im saying, and you keep thinking I'm saying what I'm not. Im not telling you to hang every Paki/Indian off a brit flag having gas lamp, Im saying D is basically the stereotype if you remove his muscles and sword and just keep the dagger and thats *funny as fuck*. I have legitimate issues with this and it isnt some /pol/ rant, no matter how hard you try to dislike and frame me as a Cinema Sins tier redditor. You can dislike what Im saying, for sure, but it sounds like you cant comprehend what Im saying because you think Im on the opposite team. Im on team "I wish the show was better because it has these flaws", nothing else.
>>153887365No, that's the problem: I do understand what you're saying but you aren't actually making any point at all. The point you are effectively making is that the characters are silly and unrealistic, which is true yes, but the only argument you can actually make is about how they're faggots or weird stereotypes (if you divorce the inherently surreal elements) or that they don't have jobs or do things that don't make sense in reality, so your entire point comes off as "I have zero ability to suspend disbelief and cannot stop irrationally fixating on details that don't matter" which makes it clear you simply do not understand what you are watching and makes you come off as a "Cinema Sins tier redditor" as you so plainly put it.If you could actually come up with any reasonable critique that isn't just bringing up how something is wacky or unrealistic I might be able to accept what you're trying to say but you haven't yet made a post that doesn't circle back to bitching about fags or Pakis so I severely doubt you have the ability to do so. I don't want to just throw out the blanket excuse of "well the setting is wacky and unrealistic" because that's a lazy excuse and the series does have its moments of weak writing but based solely on your posts that appears to be your entire argument outside of bringing up the fag stuff. Unlike >>153887261 I don't think you're some pissed off /pol/schizo since you're at least capable of holding a conversation but you really aren't doing a good job of convincing anons otherwise.
>>153887614Me phone typing at like 3 am probably doesnt help but what the hey. See if this makes sense to simplify.I get WoD and the setting is somewhat goofy. I get it can be somewhat weird and sad and also hilarious. This does not excuse it when indeed, you have weird questions or realizations like "theres no way in hell nobody near Grimaline Smith heard that her ex is bisexual, rumours fly like wildfire in small places" or "what do you mean shes been repeatedly spotted beating people with a sex paddle and faced zero consequences" or just something simple like "how do they even remotely sustain themselves?". But I understand the base feature, where Markus gets stake jackets, and Grimaline does have contacts in Shinjuku to get weeb shit and does benzos with a sex paddle. I get that the goth girl is into goth shit and thick as fuck, and I get aristocratic magic lodges. Im not saying the world is unrealistic, Im obviously going along with the vast majority of it to even entertain werewolves and vampires Anon, but even in settings like these, theres expectations of sufficient internal coherence. When they make a plot point of being fuckass broke, the question of why D has luxurious stuff is brought up alongside snack budgets and smuggling guns and more. When you have Kitten be so damn smart and more, his sudden incompetence in any debating is weird. When social circles arent that big and the barkeep is always listening, its almost impossible nobody knows that Markus is gay.Even in the silly, theres a current of how things work. In WoD the cops would *love* to investigate a random double decker thats kitted out, especially the one owned by the weirdos, but you dont even have the bribery hook plot to justify that.I am legitimately trying to get into it. I dig the Arcanum, the sociopath data HR woman, the Union and Palmer and more, I vibe with it. But details are rough in some areas when they could just not be, and that seems clear to me still.
>>153878163To be fair, those weren't deals. Deals implies there is some compromise. Their deals were straight deal or no deal. No compromise, not even a pity deal like throwing them some ammo.
>>153887815compromise was saving markus
>>153884184Religion is a legit government psyop to make people get along
>>153887954Depends on the location. Evangelical and Mormon stuff yes for sure, Jehovas is a cult like scientology so that's private instead of states wise, catholic is the least and Orthodox is only in the east but elsewhere its pretty much nothing.
>>153887049>PrevalenceD (bisexual), Occam (homo), Markus and Kitten and I'm fairly certain that's it? Not insubstantial but I wouldn't call it prevalence
>>153887111Nice trips, based Salubri
>>153888090D Occam Markus Kitten are there, but Barry is almost certainly too with the Bara Boy Build, D has been married and divorced probably on mid to high double digits and won't shut up about it and how he can sway any homosexual, you had Pyotr imply it with the zoo comment and he himself was pretty much teasing Kitten with his power high and such, Kevin wouldn't shut up about sexy man, Brock basically sexually harassing his dad, its there in almost every episode if you pay attention.
>>153888171>Harrygrasping at straws because you have porn brain>PyotrVery obviously just trying to intimidate/tease Kitten>KevinNothing gay about saying another man is attractive>BrockLiterally what are you talking about you lunatic
>>153887800There's also an idea that a group that is seen as weird or socially ostracized probably doesn't get the same sort of backlash from being even more weird and social black sheeps. Like if Markus was just gay and everyone knew that yeah it probably would cause tension in 2003, but if it's>Damn those guys living in the woods sure are weird and dangerous>I hear gunfire coming from that area>This redhead guy doesn't have a job and he keeps blabbering like a schizo about muh Carmilla>Find out he's a homo>Yeah that makes sense, I guessYou wouldn't be surprised if the homeless crack addict was sucking dick to keep getting high for instance
>>153886411My question is why are you people so hung up on this in particular. It does not matter. You are trying to force it into being a thing that should matter, but it's quite literally just an excuse for shitposting from all I've observed thus far.
>>153888171>Brock, HarryBig straw grasp, one is retarded and the other is a retarded himbo>PyotrVampires being freaks is not really the weirdest thing so I think this is permissible, especially for a dude that's been undead for near 30 years>KevinI don't know, I'll have to concede. Blood drinking also feels better than sex so I wouldn't be surprised if this did anything
>>153886656In this case, it was Caine having a Caine Moment that ruined everything. Lilith accepted and brought him into her personal sanctuary/domain, her equivalent of a horizon realm, taught him all the secrets of magic she knew...and then he proceeded to burn her sanctuary to the ground, raped her, and murdered her children and acolytes before leaving to continue his "WHY DOES GOD HATE ME???" self-loathing sob story for another several millennia.
>>153888222Nice trips.>porn brainElise is drawn like a fertility goddess and hes drawn like a Bara. Its legitimately how they look on both their normal sprites and on the luau.>intimidationD specifically talks about this with Kitten, no, he was very much believing he was being hit on by Kitten and hit on him back.>another man attractiveA bit dissonant Anon. You dont really start calling your torturer sexy if you are a man unless you are a gay dude, thats like a gay dudes saying the female torturer is a bombshell. Nonsense.>lunaticLook, you can insult me but this stuff is in almost every episode in some way or another. Sometimes its for a laugh. Sometimes its character. Sometimes its the gay dudes who won't shut up about it or its an entire gag about gay sex dungeons wink wink nudge nudge. Its very much there.
>>153887800So your argument still is just that you can't suspend your suspension of disbelief over quite frankly unimportant details. It seems to me that you don't actually really like HTP all that much then and might choose to seek entertainment elsewhere.>>153888251Wait, did they mean in the pub audiolog when Brock's screaming all that shit over the phone? When he didn't know he was talking to his dad? Man they are not sending their best.
>>153888293I'll concede on Pyotr because I did forget that D and Kitten discuss whether he was genuine or not but that doesn't actually confirm anything. Everything else is just you looking for something that isn't there like a faggot.
>>153888300Man you enjoy having the most uncharitable reads of me possible Anon. I told you I enjoy a lot of the setting and more, I just still find flaws in it with value even understanding the baseline premise, both the whacky tragic sad and fun. Im already suspending disbelief with the Arcanum and werewolves and such, what Im also saying is that still makes it where you need a certain stability with that suspension too. If you go too loose all the time nothing has meaning and nobody is ever on time, you can have firearms and steam tanks and magic in a setting but someone can still point to basic pop numbers or the economy and say that shits mega silly. And also be right that it could be done better.
>>153887800>I get WoD and the setting is somewhat goofy.This is your problem; you fail to get that WoD is not "somewhat" goofy, it is INCREDIBLY fucking goofy. There is shit infinitely more silly and stupid in a single oWoD splat of your choice than whatever it is you're bitching about. Garou LITERALLY fuck dogs, there are Fomori who have their spiked demon genitals and what they use them for described in EXTREME detail, Tzimisce literally turn people into furniture and sex toys (sometimes both at once), etc. Alfabusa and his crew have been completely tame in how they've gone about things thus far and if a handful of people who don't obsess over pussy like you do is enough to turn you off, then you are not going to like where we're going from here.
>>153888340The whole first thing was about the prevalence of gay stuff Anon. Im mentioning the examples of it. Im not looking for it, Im reporting what I observed as I saw the series. Im not saying you are seeking out lunatic behaviour in my posts when you answer me, thats sophistry and emotional well poisoning of the whole point of a conversation where we have seen things and noticed patterns and discuss what we have observed.
>>153888358nigga you been bitching for hours about how your entire problem is that there are fags and immigrants and shit you can't try and say you actually like the setting and the series yet spend so fucking long arguing this once specific point
>>153888393Literally only like one, maybe two, of your "patterns" are genuine examples and the rest are you inventing shit to get mad about. If you're seeing so much faggot shit in the writing I think you might actually just be a faggot in denial
>>153888378Anon, living torture sex toy existence isnt goofy, neither is dog sex. Thats the spectrum I mentioned. If you are so heavily offended Im straight and the like as a stranger on the internet that you dont realize the context is the series itself, so much so you dont make any sense, then you might need a 10 minute smoke break or something.
>>153888403I think you deeply misread what I said if thats what you understood. You might want to take a break and re-read because thats at best an uncharitable read due to biases and emotions (which is understandable) and at worse a 2nd grade reading comprehension that needs to be fixed.
>>153888393The prevalence of gay stuff is that there is two gay characters (Occam and Marckus), two bisexual characters (D and Kitten), and that people who deal with vampires who murder people for their blood and werewolves who are intent on ending human civilization through ultra-violence are not spending their entire day making a gigantic deal out of it? Even if societal norms were not looser than your logic in WoD because of a general breakdown of social cohesion, they frankly have bigger fish to fry than worrying about one legal homosexual marriage and two NEETs playing vidya and fucking. The existence of gay people as far as issues goes ranks towards the very fucking bottom of their priorities, especially among the Leopoldites who were driven to allow for female lay-clergy in their ranks due to longtime isolation from the church (and maintain that practice). If anyone is going to have pragmatism about love, it's those guys.
>>153888423I dont really think Im gay and in denial given I legitimately have no interest in men whatsoever. Whenever accusations like this start popping off tho, its usually a sorta thinly veiled insult that Im in the closet, which is kind of funny because self hating gays would be actually infinitely worse than whatever I've actually said, given I've seen their crashouts and it makes whatever argumentative autism I have seem like nothing, and the people usually doing this kind of insult tend to be the more open minded. Guess we all chud out in our own ways.But yeah no, this are patterns I notice. You dont seem very happy that I have noticed them, or perhaps the quality, but try to sincerely think about it. Stuff like this is indeed prevalent in the vast majority of the episodes, be it purposeful visual design, conversations, plot points, implications or the like. And for fairness sake, its worth pointing out theres still straight stuff very clearly, Elise is a bombshell, Grimal is cute, the Sister is also very nice, the Arcanum art is great. But these patterns are noticeable.
>>153888554Nta but this vaguelly reminds me of venture bros. In that you have a very male focused core caste (due to the media both spawn from being heavily male dominated) and then the men end up being structured like couples but with men. Except in hunter its overt gayness while in venture bros its more structural. Rusty nags brock and kitten is basically marcus’s bro-wife
>>153886837He is asking how a bunch of randos with no stable source of income are able to make a living and have all the kit and other bullshit to continue to go on hunts and effectively live as they do. Thats an actually important part of the setting and something that has to be kept track of in the table top. Its not nearly like how you are trying to present it. No one is asking them to give Kitten's fucking tax records or show fucking Door's VA records but asking how they are so well equipped while living like gyspies is a valid line of questioning.
>>153888543Misleading wording with a strong emotional bias. Im not requesting they spend their entire day making a big deal, Im surprised its wholesale ignored and is somehow sidelined entirely. You are correct that the Gladius Dei is more pragmatic, but not even a quip from the background guys is odd, and I feel as if I need to make something clear. The bi is irrelevant if in truth, it is male gay in practice. If I am speaking prevalence, it is irrelevant if they are b when in practice they are just g. And the prevalence is indeed across most of the show.For note, I would have liked a much bigger emphasis on the paganism as well, that was an area that was under explored. Some parts like the Sister catching them in the act of trying to weasel out were well done and fun, I liked that, but them going harder on it for tension and more *alongside* some remarks of the gay stuff would have made for a very good tension buildup.
>>153888641yeahif this were burgerland, it would be plausibleeurocuckistan? pffffffffffffffffffffffff
lord this thread fell to shit in the last quarter, >>153887614 says it best but good to see even at this state this thread (and htp threads overall) are still better than other indie series threads (monkey wrench)
>>153888286It's not Caine's fault he's a sensitive young man who was seduced by the equivalent of his step-mother or something>>153888293>>153888300I don't know what Brock moment was referred to, but nothing Brock says or doesn't say should be taken too seriously seeing as how he's an Ork expy and proper retarded to boot
It's interesting how the prevalent criticism for this episode on /co/ is:>there's too much gay shit>there's not enough gay hate>there's too much hate for the inquisition
>>153888690Frankly its not fallen to anything, its just argumentative instead of someone rage posting forbidden imagery or doing worse. When it gets really bad, thats when you dont bother posting about and just dip out, this is minor at best.
>>153888714man you shouldve seen the prior thread
>>153880490I love sniffing Tiberium
>>153888714Why do you need to try to boil everything that has been said here and in the other thread down to the most reductionist levels? What do you gain from desperately trying to misrepresent what people say into nothing but shallow bullet points?
>>153888641People really track "wealth" in the tabletop beyond what the characters are allowed to have? I know it's a background stat but from what I gather it's more of a "check if a player can get away with this sort of stuff".Armory (the M60s) is tracked separately, as is having land or a sanctuary
>>153888714>there's too much gay shitehno one complained about orcam saving thempeople complained about the society of leopold not even bothering to dispute it on grounds of religious beliefs regarding homosexualityyou knowthose beliefs they are founded on?and kitten criticizing the inquisition for something that happened literally hundreds of years ago was retarded
>>153888714Thats a very very reductive sight. People have way more eloquent stuff on the Philipines episode too, but people just reduced it to white supremacy because it didnt fit their viewpoints too. Its kinda disheartening.
>>153888714>>153888742Everyone enjoyed 5.3 so much that all the threads about 5.3 were outright praising the episode and circling back on critique of 5.2. Given 5.5's introspective nature and character exploration, maybe we'll get a repeat next month.
>>153888754>People really track "wealth" in the tabletop beyond what the characters are allowed to have?Depends on the game.
>>153888641At least to me it seems like D mostly gets by with stealing shit (he does literal "grocery runs" after all) and conducting illegal business - I wouldn't be surprised if he dealt in drugs + got high on his own supply. Door already knows the Union guys, and basically the only reason he would know them is likely arms smuggling (which would track with having old contacts in the US military). Kitten did have a job so he did produce at least some legal income they could claim on their taxes and went to all of their "official" payments like utilities, probably alongside Door's pension. Plus they probably lay claim to whatever assets and / or pocket change they can get off of vamps they slay.So really, more above-board than your average hunter orgs.>>153888655They are Catholics still making the deal, the only way they can telegraph they are compromising more is if they just said "we are compromising on you being flaming fucking homosexuals.">>153888754Varies from DM to DM, from wealth being something you keep a general track of and can increase or lose throughout the story to keeping track of how much money you might have on your person at a given moment.
>>153888739well yeah, even my mild words overselled what a turn this thread took but either way was still commenting how it's better than other threads. youre right that the worst really do just turn you off aside from maybe lurking. I actually really like money wrench the sheer level of autisticly consistent shitflining just turns me off from every talking about it seriously unlike htp
>>153880590Just fries and ice tea
wait are people actually stanning the inquisitioni thought it was just a joke
>>153888770>>153888774I suppose I only have experience on shorter games were character wealth isn't really something to keep in mind between sessions too deeply
>>153888754The world is presented in a believable way where you will most likely be some dude who is not just standing not just against the forces of the undead and other cosmic nightmare. But mundane horrors like shitty bureaucracy and corporate fuckery. Its why despite how shitty and limiting some of the orgs are they have their appeals in that you will be better equipped and be able kick ass more effectively, or at the very least delay being torn apart long enough to get a hang of things.
>>153888766Kitten criticizing the inquisition when he knows Mages and the Wyrm and potentially the Nephandi exist is the biggest flop of the episode arguably.Like dude, you hunt vamps. A wolf killed your kin and stole your husband. You know cults exist, and mages can do vile shit. Why would the Inquisition only hit innocents, on this world they were Hunters too.
>>153888805The real life Church inquisitions was mostly a force for good, not perfect by any measure but it did more good than harm. Spanish Inquisition was an instrument of the Spanish crown.
>>153888849>The real life Church inquisitions was mostly a force for goodtell that to the kids they raped
>>153888750>>153888767Sometimes there's value in cutting through the chafe and pointing out just what people are saying. When you cut out all of the mental gymnastics and rhetorical devices, all that's left is the raw and pure point, and if that point isn't pretty, maybe that's on the person making the point rather than the person noticing the pattern.
>>153888836Was that what he was criticizing? Mages are just as much assholes as everyone else. Only they can do some crazy shit. Problem is they never do that crazy shit to actually change anything because muh paradox but also fuck you I am a god now. Imbued hunters are arguably way worse because they seemingly kill people without rhyme or reason.>>153888871epstein, people are supposed to think you're dead
>>153888875You aren't though? There's no discussion to be had with such reductionism. You cut out all the subtext humans naturally create and lean in to better convey meaning.
>>153888774Thats the thing, I want to see some of that shit man. I want to see Door doing business and interacting with these people. You can say its boring and doesn't add anything but it shows not just how they operate but how they interact with the outside world outside of their wacky adventures. Like imagine an episode an audio log where they discuss standard hunter arsenals and the kind of shit which is effective against what and what to do. And its all veiled behind a sales pitch he is giving to the union guys or whoever.
>>153888875Okay. You are oversimplifying things and missing the nuance, missing the point of discussion and being biased, so you are a dumbass.Cut the useless words and your act is you not wanting to understand or read, so you assign bad message from person no like so good to ignore and misrepresent. Very cringe.
hew thread. assuming thisll be the last that's needed for this momentum/week>>153888882
>>153888835Assuming you replied to a different post, the gang's overall opinion and regard for orgs in the setting is more to do with their strict demands of your time not allowing you the liberty to organize the more personalized hunts a Hunter PC group has to undergo so that they can act on information as it's made ready. A lot of the demands the groups had were effectively pointless because if they could not help the gang within a day or two then there would be no point entering a deal. To get a bit more meta, the problem is really Paradox's shitty porting of the Vigil org and conspiracy system and hand waving it away with "orgs and having power are bad 'mkay? stay street level kids"
>>153888875You are ignoring how people are saying how the issue could be solved and the general discussion and reasoning while trying to reduce it to just "I do not like X". There is no mental gymnastics to it that's just the discussion as a whole but you seem to have to call it that since you can't actually engage with it.
>>153888897>Was that what he was criticizing? Mages are just as much assholes as everyone else. Only they can do some crazy shit. Problem is they never do that crazy shit to actually change anything because muh paradox but also fuck you I am a god now. Imbued hunters are arguably way worse because they seemingly kill people without rhyme or reason.He basically had a fit that the Inquisition killed a lot of people. The problem is a witch in the bog will not just kill people, they'll do heretic shit like kidnap kids to get their spleen that needs to be visisected so they can make potions or Infernalists that actually do some real horrid shit, or basically hyper heretics summoning demons like actual demons or fey creatures kidnapping wives and husbands to supernatural sex slavery.Magi arent and werent just bad, they can be organizational level threats that perpetuated awful, evil, vile shit. The Technocracy was founded to not shit on the average non Mage like how basically every single tradition did, and while Kitten doesnt know that, holy fuck does he conveniently ignore every supernatural that was amidst the kills.
>>153888836>>153888897>you know cults existsand>mages are realIs very different from the reality of Mages being real and what Kitten might assume a Mage is until he's more educated, so from his limited pov "mages" killed by the inquisition could have just been dudes practicing their culture like Occam as he wouldn't really know the difference between an actual mage and a sorcerer. I can excuse his somewhat hypocritical emotional breakdown as being born out of frustration at his helplessness and ignorance, despite the subject matter
>>153888998D has, if I recall, repeatedly mentioned shit about magicks and sorcery and how mages are bullshit including them having nigh unlimited power and death hexes and more. If Kitten assumes the worse knowing the nature of Vamps, if he doesnt for Magi, thats just fucking weird.
>>153888961But the idea is idea of the episode was to try and show the pros and cons of being independent vs being in an org. And it kind of showed that but at the same time it failed to adequately give a look at the situation. The episode was a way to mix a lore dump with the narrative and give everyone's feelings in regards to various orgs. But it was lackluster in multiple regards. It put too much in at one time. It should have just been the gang negotiating with the Leopoldites, and if they needed to pad things out they should have just had them do a quick look around the Chapter House to get a better idea of the situation while also and maybe show off some of the individual members and what their role is. And then save the rest of the orgs and people for a later time and be introduced in a more organic fashion. >To get a bit more meta, the problem is really Paradox's shitty porting of the Vigil org and conspiracy system FUCKING V5
>>153888750Obviously the dude's a faggot and is feeling self-conscious.
>>153888714All those are secondary to the fact it was a largely irrelevant comedy skit and yelling matchI still liked it just not as much as most episodes and audiologs
>>153889095Ultimately, in H5 and the setting at large unless you want to play a corporate no personal stakes hunter, joining a org is a bad idea. D even complains the arcanum is maybe too restrictive. You have a point though, I think maybe these hybrid world building/lore dump/ narrative expositions aren't really coming across with a clear point especially with the narrative already having as many moving parts as it does
>>153889122Why do they almost always do this passive aggressive narrative control thing. Im legitimately trying to be neutral and to argue in good faith but every time they lose an argument, they start doing this kind of shit online, its so fucking tiring man.
>>153889159There is definitely a way to do them right? The audio log where they hunted the ghoul dogs was great since it tied directly into what was happening and was done in an overall concise and efficient manner. Here it was just adding a bunch of stuff to an already existing heap. It wasn’t bad but it definitely has its issue. As I said it would have been better if it was just Benedicte and her mooks. That way there could have been more of a focus on both the giving a concise account on what they could get and the consequences while also having room for character development and personal drama shit. And it could have more or less ended the same which could have been the opportunity to introduce the others since they would end up coming to the chapter house as a consequence of Occam evoking the treaty, which in of itself pits him against his family as well as has him take a big risk along with Benedicte being in a precarious situation of putting duty before her family. Overall not bad could have been better.
>>153889362Ghoul dogs had almost no narrative elements into them and could have been inserted anywhere though, so I'm not sure there's an exact way to make an audiolog that is both lore, narrative drama, and worldbuilding at the same time. At least not without compromising or as shown here some controversial element
>>153883465Nah she would the one doing that to you after you make her scream
>>153889483The narrative element an introduction to ghouls and ties into what D was told by Kevin along with the introduction of characters like Chapman. It fit to give D a way to explain what exactly they would be dealing with along with the nature Ghouls as a whole. Not to mention it was a good interaction between Kitten and D that was more than just him recounting stories and D giving perspective.
>>153888836He is only aware of mages being a thing. As far as I remember he does not know the Wyrm and Nephandi. He was getting fucked by Wyrm stuff in the other audio log before D snapped him out of it
>>153888690I just want to learn more WOD lore and see some neat discussion about the audio log
