Look at what's coming to Amazon Prime Video, /co/mrades!
shan't be watching
>>153916360>amazonpass
>Jorge Guteirrezgreat time for him to come out as a sell out
>>153916360>AIjeets are getting funds to make their own shit>Meanwhile, I can barely get a few dollars on kofiI can't TAKE this shit no more
>>153916360>tasteless faggot excited over slopChecks out
>>153916407At least you were always a small artistYou could have been an industry pro turned cashier
>>153916406This is career killing if social media makes a big enough stink
>>153916407Just about every big company is trying to get AI shit to take off and make eleventy bajillion dollars before the prices can't be subsidized any longer. These kinds of announcements are more about rekindling hype. Also it's worth reminding people that Amazon is able to subsidize vanity projects that would otherwise be unpopular and contrary to any free market logic by funneling in money from their profitable sectors into whatever tickles Bezos' fancy.
>>153916406>posts "Hollywood." for years at this point, making fun of every dumb little thing that happens in tech/AI/film>bows as soon as he gets an offerwhat a cocksucker
>>153916502Which hashtags should be used for maximum visibility?
>>153916406This one took me by surprise because he seems like someone to reject the AI stuff. I feel like he's lumped into the marketing like "look the big boys are cool with AI too. Trust us!"
>>153917500JorgeGuteirrezAISlop
>Luddites seething in this thread.You are getting replaced.
wojaks lost bigly
>>153917677On one hand, could be cool to feed an AI a bunch of original preproduction art made by artists, then have AI do the production and refine it through prompts. On the other hand, it's still automated slop and reducing jobs in an already abysmal industry, so over all, fuck this
When are people going to become sick of AI shit and start bombing data centers?
>>153917924on the other hand, you have a steaming pile of shit you scooped out of the asses of other artists and you throw it into a river, polluting the water supply for 20 years... like most animation slop.Their workhorse jobs as an animation drone was all for nothing as it was just going to be fed into this horrible cycle of crap. he's thinking he can get on the cutting edge of the scene like he did with Mucha Lucha and flash and this isn't the same thing pal. And flash animation died anyway.
>>153916406Wasn’t he speaking against Ai not that long ago?
/out girl/ has spoken wait isn't Amazon the one who funds Hazbin lmao?
Is it just me, or does John K want fuck all to do with AI (probably because his art is sloppy enough without it)?
>>153918074The dude has been disavowing anything Hollywood, Disney, Amazon, Netflix and just about everything else with modern tv and movies for the past decade very vocally on social media. Him turning on a dime like this is absolutely nuts and the reaction is pretty much "Jorge?????" across everyone right now
>>153916489who's this??
>>153916406He already was a sellout when he defended the Latinx term
>>153916406He must have gotten a big, fat, juicy paycheck for another project.
>>153917744Not everyone is a gay communist who spends 5 hours per day on social media. AI users have plenty of opportunity with actually normal people.>>153916407Don't attack technology to feel better about not making it.>>153918103John’s old as fuck, (and canceled) if AI was around when he was younger he would probably do the same work he did with Flash.Of course he would find it a dream to eliminate executives and anti-creative pipelines with AI.
>>153918127Idk, I just saw it in some threadSadly it's a common occurrence
>>153918119Probably got offered a big wad of Amazon cash. Everyone has a price they'd sell out for. Maybe he'll rationalize it as just another job.
>Industry is spiraling circa late 2010s due to a combination of increasingly bland cartoons and cord cutting >Covid and the streaming wars happen and gives it a brief push by companies desperate for content in the midst of the pandemic >Uh oh streaming isn't actually viable and TV is dead too>This finally kills the animation industry In a nutshell this is how we got to where we are today
>>153918275Is there any recovering from this?
>>153918219I'm pretty sure they could work for Rafael Andaya on future PLANETRONIKA episodes.
>>153918307Indie animation but recently it started to show cracks
>>153918275ok but how does anime do things differently as an industry to avoid this problem
>>153918329Indie won't be able to save the thousands of union jobsGlitch, like most YouTube channels, is not immune from decline. It's unironically over
>>153918307There's indie, but that isn't sustainable long-term. A company must become a big boy if it wants to make profit and keep creative cartoons (hence why the most successful indie studio right now, Glitch, is immediately pushing out merch when it's just a pilot)Either TV needs to be recreated online or animation needs to evolve with the times somehow.There's clearly still a demand for cartoons with Digital Circus being the runaway success it was. But it's not realistic to only be pumping out one episode every 3 to 6 months if you want it to become something that sticks around forever.
>>153917698He was almost definitely paid a large sum to do this, and for a techbro a few million for propaganda to try and PR around the animation industry is not going to be a lot.I would not be surprised given he recently has gotten a LOT of projects the past year (WB movie, Disney show, Netflix content) if him agreeing to pushing their interest of AI being used in the industry got him in with executives to give him a lot of projects
>>153918362Very based
>>153918384>Either TV needs to be recreated online or animation needs to evolve with the times somehow.Reminds me that the official Pokemon channel on twitch streams anime episodes every Tuesday and Thursday and it makes me wonder why companies like CN, Nick, etc. never just made pseudo-TV blocks on Twitch too, I’d be down to watch some Spongebob on a chat even if it was something like emotes only
>>153916406I had to do a double take to make sure I was reading this right. This guy seems like he would be anti AI. People online hold grudges, he's never going to escape this
>ITT: Jealous faggots screeching about the wholesome chungo using spooky AIGet over yourselves, artificial intelligence is a revolutionary technology. It democratizes art and allows the working class an actual shot at making our own dreams come true. AI has produced work far better than any industry fag has in the past twenty years like pic rel
Bunch of ai threads all the sudden start randomly appearing all at the same time, I wonder what happened, quick internet search later ah Microsoft just stopped engineers from using AI because it's costing too much. All the companies are now trying to justify AI cost and they can't because they're burning too many tokens. Better send in the Indians to try to convince some Hollywood executives to invest in AI gee I wonder where they're going to go. Oh yeah here
>>153918734>INDIANS INDIANS JEETJEETJEETalways the same thing with you ludditesYou blame some random people because you're scared
>>153918734I'm a normal person so I grew up with excitement about AI and other future technology mixed with warnings about its dangers.
>>153918644>It democratizes art and allows the working class an actual shot at making our own dreams come trueAnd that's the problem, art only flourishes when it's gatekept from talentless hacks.
>>153918805NTA or an aifag but it's already gatekept behind 250k 4 year tuition
>>153917677>Professional grade AI toolsNames
>>153918834The problem is that the people making this tech?They don't actually respect artists or even art period
>>153918644>democratizes
>>153916360>>153917677>>153917859Basically sold his soul so his original shit got funded
>>153916360They really are desperate for this genAI shit to make some kind of profit, huh? Also, have fun when the thousand people your fake robot stole all that shit from sue you into oblivion.
...what are the odds they force Hazbin, Invincible, Vox Machina, etc to incorporate AI?
>>153918888You're really gay dude, people are becoming immune to gay tactics for ruining their lives. Time to change with the times>>153918805“Talent” obviously means “money and social clout” here
>Love, Diana Music Hunters stems from pocket.watch creator partner Diana, who has a large YouTube subscriber base. “This young band of K-pop space-traveling musicians races to Planet Goo, where they must perform a concert to restore the music and save the aliens,” the logline says.>K-Pop
>>153918921>Glitch Excepting KoG who'll know the difference>InvincibleMay already be happening>VMdon't watch so idk
>>153918959>Excepting KoG who'll know the differenceHazbin isn't Glitch
>>153918975Fuck me I'm retarded
>>153918957Blacks and whites in k-pop?
I cannot wait for this retarded bubble to pop when it turns out that none of this shit can make any money because no one wants to pay for AIslop.That said, this is probably the smartest use of AIslop animation I've seen thus far, get some slop aimed at babies onto a streaming service that a lot of people are already paying for, then some retarded mom will stick her children in front of it so they can watch it on repeat for the next 10 hours.You get to say that your "AI content" is making bank, line goes up, and everyone pats themselves on the back because 2 year olds are watching even more worthless AIslop.
/co/ should prepare mentally because we are going to see more veterans jumping ship to AI. Young artists like Dana Terrace and Matt Braly will stick to their guns but older people that can't find a job in this collapsing industry will just swallow their pride and either leave the industry entirely like Maxwell Atoms or sell out like this. Jorge didn't get so many projects saying NO to Hollywood.
>>153918995Personally if I was Amazon and I was trying to advertise AI would not hire or give this man a dime mainly because every project he has done for the last 10 years have ended in failure. He's like cursed
>pick up pencil>learn to animate>apply for job>"oh that was just an expression, we really need someone who knows Autodesk Maya"
So given it's AI generated, when can we expect this to even come out?Yeah yeah he said "AI is just a tool" but how fast can we expect this to get released?Is it still storyboarded?Is it still voiced by actual VAs?
>>153916406>>153917340Oh he is fucking OVER in the eyes of fans. I’m not even a full on “all AI is inherently bad” person. I think there are situations it could assist in artistic productions. But this is a BAD look for anybody right now. Real hack shit.>>153918119I think this is the real thing that pisses me off. He’s so two faced. He’s made so many smug-ass anti Hollywood posts for years now and in just the past week I’ve heard him>working on AI shit>working on pitching a slopfest reboot of his cartoon nobody watched and shoehorning crossover multiverse shit into itHe’s in real desperate sellout time now I guess.
>>153919018If your job requires a computer you better get used to adapting to new tools regularly
>>153919048I'm not going to go into too much personal stuff here because this place is just full of bots and make believe, but AI is dead. Investments moving elsewhere, you will see this very shortly as the news begins to fade out from AI to the next tech fad. You're going to see multiple AI companies that are startups collapse but the money is just going to move into a new tech field. It's already happening if you know what you're watching.
>unironic genAI shills on /co/This is just getting sad.
>>153918332People in Japan still watch TV because a lot of their TV is already paid for by TV licenses, ala the UK. You only pay for TV over there if you want a premium channel, like AT-X, which is mostly known for airing uncensored anime.As such, they can still make money on ads.And also, put simply, Japs are used to paying for things, so they're a lot more willing to actually spend money supporting something they like where other groups aren't.
>>153919058>Oh he is fucking OVER in the eyes of fansHe put years into using Blender in a pro pipeline for "Maya" which looked great but dragged a bit in the pacing. Not bad in the least.He likely got suckered in being promised he could make stuff faster with smaller crews and god damn it those aren't worth the sacrifices. Those of us fucking around with AI know this, which is why we make nightmares, porn and shitposts not films. Too little fine grained control, too many compromises.
>>153919069Yeah yeah the bubble is popping whateverEven if this was the dying gasp of gen AI (which I fucking hope), this STILL has to come out in order to fail right?Do you honestly expect Amazon to just pull the plug next week or Jorge to apologize?
>>153919104also the animators being paid pennies and overworked to the fucking limit to get shit done quickly
>>153918085Yeah? And you dont think amazon wouldn't love to put Hazbin through the AI generator and crank out a couple cartoons "like" it?
>>153919190Nah, that's also the case in western cartoons as well, just with shittier animators and more money in the pockets of shareholders.
>>153919069>make believe, but AI is dead.I went all-in late 2023 as a skeptic and learned natural language prompting is a terrible way to generate audiovisual media because it's not a precise enough way to describe what you want. The ability to convert CGI visuals to photorealism is great, doing the same to make clips is iffy at best and eventually the absence of physics becomes the loudest uncanny aspect. Physics and lighting aren't training, they're property based and algorithmic. Every time we add back what CGI does out of the box generative AI gets slower and the solution isn't bigger GPUs or distributed computing. We're hitting the wall and the amount of publicly available tools are heavily subsidized meaning when the venture capital runs out suddenly we'll be billed at the actual rate for middling results. I enjoy playing with this shit but you're right, no advances of note in the last year.
>>153918864>getting this instead of El Guapo
I hope this ends up like Seth Green's NFT project
>>153919015>cursedIf AI pops completely immediately after this announcement and he could've just resisted temptation just a little while, this would all prove he's fucked of some cosmic scale
>>153919326Well it's not going to. Reality isn't run by gay discords looking to screw over the lives of young artists who didn't let them tell him what to do.
>>153916406fucking sucks. He's seriously the last person I would have expected this from. Fuck him and his big fat autistic face.
>>153917712this, but spell his name correctly
>>153916360Well if this isn't a career ending scandal for Jorge don't know what else it
>>153916360https://www.instagram.com/p/DYqudOiO7rU/And to think he took a picture with Dana in Momocon before this announcement.
artofguy the fat beaner
>>153916406This guy only had one style for all his work cause he Mexican and he can't even draw it anymore.
>>15391808550 years from now civilization will be over or in the verge of death.
The amount of stupid from this AI decision from Amazon is incredible. Think about it they had a chance to pick any creator . Hell you could have gone to deviantArt and found a couple people to make something if you got that much money to throw at it. Instead they got a K-pop demon Hunter rip off that looks like it's one of those Chinese knockoff animations. A buzzfeed animators stolen work didn't even involve her, and they has been fat ass who hasn't made anything successful in decades. And all those people said AI was going to democratize things literally this is nepotism on steroids.
>>15391955940 years later and people still get Alan Moore'd>but the souless corporation pinky promised me!
He won in the end
The perfect audience for AIslop has been found, children whose brains aren't fully developed. And once they've spent their childhood raised on that shit, they become AI adults.
>>153917677artistic cuckoldry
>>153916406I think it's really funny that even if we were to try and give this any sort of nuance his feature is right next to "Claude generate a pre school version of, fucking uhhhhhhhh, k-pop demon hunter cocomelon 3d".
>>153919443Gay people don't like AI because they want young artists hooked up in their social matrix so they can't function without them. They get off on the domination. AI will enable both independent visions AND kicking perverts out of your life, 2 great things.Need more eviscerating analysis or will you shut up?
>>153919767>SAARS THE AI IS THE GOODt. redditspacing streetshitter
>>153918995>/co/ should prepare mentally because we are going to see more veterans jumping ship to AII have noticed the older generation are eager for AI but the younger generation who is more up to date can see the red flags
>>153916406I can finally say that I’ve always thought of him like a Mexican version of Kyle Carozza and feel halfway vindicated for it
>>153916406that's unfortunate.
>>153919767>independent visions>kicking perverts out from all the ai art ive seen its the exact opposite
>>153919834I love AI since it never spams the same thing over and over like some “people”>>153919898Is he a pedophile because he's raping your stunted gay communist AI hater soul
>>153916406>all the replies ITT shitting on him and retroactively claiming "he was never that good" over this newsHahahahaha
>>153918995Fuck him. I genuinely think his style is cool and thought El Guapo vs the Narco Vampires was badass, but fuck him. I hope it was worth it.
>>153919936Oh yeah, AI so unique that anyone with a working brain can correctly identify it at a glance.
>>153919965naw, he was a badass. Which is why this is so fucking disheartening.
>>153916406What the fuck, I thought he wasn't into it
>>153920019He's a scumbag not because of AI but because he chose to not finish his cartels vampire cartoon. He's just been given a big sack of money and an opportunity to use this brand new AI crap and his first decision is not to make what he promised to make but some new crap. All AI is doing is the exact same thing that the animation industry has done for years promise things not to deliver. Three new shows are literally one stolen ideas and IPS from an animator at BuzzFeed who came up with the idea. Second a literal knockoff of a successful animated movie and third a creator that is refusing to complete any projects that they promised. They could have gotten anyone and instead they chose the same little Hollywood bubble that we have seen for decades.
>>153916407you gotta keep grinding anon
>>153920017yeah I can also identify people who never have an original thought in their lives by a glance. I would rather talk to an AI which crafts a custom answer every time than a “human” who just says trending ideas and judges me by my social status. That difference also makes it better for creativity than many “humans”
>>153918869I respect the hustle but this still feels wrong.>>153918921100% corporate knows new stuff with AI will be hates by the audience, but stuff that is already successful will not reject it as quick because they are already invested.You will get AI in your shows and you will like it.I hate this people so much.
>>153920118I thought 4chan was blocked at most public library's
>>153920131 Amazon is weird the whole point of AI was to replace warehouse workers. This whole streaming stuff they've been pushing to get people to use their AI for some strange reason. This is the latest attempt I tried this before with that family Guy knock off maker. They just are sitting on a lot of compute and they're trying to figure out how to implement it into something. I wouldn't read too much into it
>>153920071he's criticized it several times, but he tweets A LOT. It's impossible to find his comments I've been scrolling forever and I'm only back as far as April 14th.
>>153919965I only liked El Tigre, I didn't care for the rest of his stuff
this is all divine punishment for artists being insufferable for the last 16+ years. this is exactly what they deserve.
man this sucks. El guapo was funny and cool as hell, but I'm not interested in any AI shit he's gonna work on
what are the chances of Craig and Lauren selling out to AI
>>153920396I feel like they're way too old and stubborn to stoop that low.They've been fucked over for their art before, they're not about to sell out now.
>>153919074there are nonstop AI threads on /co/. They're basically an AI general but if the topic comes up outside of their thread, the AI shills from the general will flood into it.
>>153920469I wonder why /co/ is forced to have 24/7 AI generals while /a/ is free of them
>>153920860When they translated this place do whatever they speak in India they read cartoons and comics and assume that we were making cartoons and comics. /A/ is too complicated for them
>>153920860Look at the toonami and Death Battle threads. We are their designated dump.
>>153917794go back to make your wooden shelter before your country gets nuked, going to bed spamming libtard.
>>153916360>ordershow? AI is free>from fundwhat? AI is free. that's the entire point of it. Anyone can generate anything that anyone else can generate.
>>153919559>Insisting I would never need themHow old is this woman? How can you be this fucking naive that a corporation actively trying to remove legal protection from you is not a giant red flag. Maybe she was desperate but come on, did that not unsettle her?
>>153918332You'd have to convince the entirety of the west that:>Animation can be enjoyed by adults>Animation isn't a genre, but rather a medium. Animation can be anything that live action can be>Animation is as enjoyable and captivating as live-action, and is just as valuable and worthwhileThat last one is impossible, especially since bad "live action" remakes of good animated movies make more money than the originals ever made.
>>153921196They said it'll be the "very good tools" whatever that means>AI is freeDon't you have a set number of times you can generate before paying?I think it's like how anyone can write a book for free but companies will still pay writers to write it
>>153916360Oh boy, yet another AI spam wave. Right as we're getting a torrent of news about AI costs, AI startups shutting down, AI related IPOs being disastrous at best, and the public at large rejecting AI peddlers and datacenters at every turn! Wowie, what a coinky-dink!>>153916691>These kinds of announcements are more about rekindling hype.It's also to distract from the fact that they can't hide the actual cost of AI generation anymore. The whole thing is falling apart, and the billionaire class is doing literally EVERYTHING in their power to stave off the burst long enough to latch this parasite onto people's pension funds.
>>153921408I wonder if there are any tech stocks I should look at shorting in the near future
>>153917677>>153918869I can only hope Guteirrez got a bag big enough to be set for life, because he's effectively torched his career over this. No sane person is going to be willing to work for someone that revealed himself to be an opportunistic two-faced sleazebag that will sell out like this.
The millisecond the Chinese give up on AI, it's over
>>153918921I seriously can’t see Vivzie accepting AI anything and with Hazbin being distributed by a generally pro-artist company (A24), it will probably be spared.
>>153920469Because the mods actively despise this board, they don't even hide it anymore. Fucking /v/ managed to get their ai slop threads banned before /co/.
>>153921196>AI is freepremium services are NOT free and it will NEVER BEprofessional services have SERIOUS pricing and is not for newbies.
>/co/: Just starve with dignity bro!How about no? I hate AI slop as much as the next man but I can't really blame industry vets taking the plunge just to stay afloat. Because if you haven't noticed, the American animation industry has fallen apart.It's either embrace shit you personally hate like AI or work at a grocery store for less than minimum wage until you slowly starve to death >>153916489
>>153921916Do you work in the industry do you have any connections to the industry do you have even have a job. Or you just another one of these bums sitting on here making up stories. You like AI because it makes you pornography okay that's fine but don't start mouthing off about things you don't even know about.
>>153920860because we're basically acting as the retard containment zone.
>>153921961No I work in gaming so not directly in the industry myself, but I have friends who are and I see the carnage every single day on my linked in.Anyone who works in an industry even tangibly related to animation can tell how bad things are. Not everyone's an unemployed rat like you.
>>153921916>but I can't really blame industry vets taking the plunge just to stay afloat.You absolutely can you fucking pissant. People having zero principles and willing to do whatever it takes for money is exactly how this country ended up in such a sorry state to begin with.He CHOSE to be a sellout. He can take the money, but he shouldn't be surprised when this whole bubble blows up and he's kicked to the curb in response.
>>153922026you know nothing and can't even spell LinkedIn. And your dad works at Nintendo
>>153922094Okay but how do you suggest all these people find sustenance? Those animation jobs are never coming back.
>>153921754>No sane person is going to be willing to work for someone that revealed himself to be an opportunistic two-faced sleazebag that will sell out like thisHollywood studios love artists like that, though. If they give Jorge a budget, he could easily find plenty of talented animators working at Trader Joe's who'd jump at the chance to work with him.
>>153920860It's funny to me that /co/ is stuck with permanent AIslop threads while even /v/ of all boards had their AI cancer general excised like a year ago.
>>153918921Hazbin's writting feels like AI anyways
>>153921822Kirkman I can sort of cynically see it given he's proud Invincible's seasons can come out annually (he brought up shows having multi year hiatuses as detriments) and his ignorance toward animation but I can't imagine Skybound wants bad PR especially when it could risk burning bridges with established talent The one guy who did a variant cover for Transformers that got accused of AI never did another cover under them
>>153922832Speaking of other boards I just found out the adult /r/equest board had become completely overrun with AI slop spam of people requesting and shilling deepfake services. The board got taken down after some new law on deepfakes got passed but at that point it was a mercy kill. The sooner AI cancer gets excised from all the boards the better.
>>153923012>but I can't imagine Skybound wants bad PR especially when it could risk burning bridges with established talentDidn't they get caught outsourcing to North Korea?
>>153916406I am extremely disappointed
>>153919069What's the next big meme?
>>153921916>but I can't really blame industry vets taking the plunge just to stay afloat.I can. If you don't have principles then I won't support your work.
>>153918957So it's bargain bin K-Pop Demon Hunters
>>153923086Apparently they outsourced to South Korea who proceeded to outsource to North without their knowledge
>>153923179They're music hunters ackshully
>>153923223You missed a step there.Skybound outsourced to South Korea, who outsourced to China, who outsourced to North Korea.
>>153923083>The board got taken downthat’s bullshi- what the FUCK
>>153923083>/r/ was nukedWhen the fuck was this?
>>153923355checked double dubs /r/ confirmed kill
>>153923355https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TAKE_IT_DOWN_ActBasically, Indians spent so long spamming "@grok saar, take off all her clothes and make her say she loves BBC" that America made AI porn edits completely illegal, and since /r/ was 95% people requesting AI porn edits, it got nuked.A sad day for sloppers everywhere.
>>153923394Based on >>153923355 it was sometime in the last few weeks, but the law I think anon is referring to was passed sometime in February so who knows.
>>153923467>but the law I think anon is referring to was passed sometime in FebruaryNo, it went into effect on May 19th for any online platforms, /r/ was nuked 3 days later.
It really feels like Jorge was desperate to have one of his new ideas greenlit and this was his only avenue of doing that.I don't agree with him, I don't respect the decision, but it's really disgusting what's probably going on here:Starve out everyone until they're so desperate they welcome AI with open arms.
>>153923511ah alright, thanks for clearing that up. Makes a lot more sense.
>>153923394I think last week? This thread in worksafe requests has more details.>>>/wsr/1565947There are also some posts in that thread that link to archives and screenshots so you can see what it was like before it got shut down. Let me tell you now it's embarrassingly awful.
>>153923520It does seem like it. I'd thought he'd be going forward with the good word of mouth from El Guapo but from what I've seen he seems to be fully into the idea of testing AI on his animation and is riding the high of getting a big cheque and a quick greenlight
>>153923570>>153923467>Last weekI'm surprised I haven't seen more people throw a shit fit over it
>>153923520>Starve out everyone until they're so desperate they welcome AI with open arms.I don't think this is going to work how they're expecting it to, there's a near-limitless amount of old and foreign media out there for people to enjoy, and they will do so long before they ever seriously touch AIslop.AIslop will remain relegated to worthless content for toddlers and shorts for braindead third worlders and boomers on a fixed income, and now that Youtube, Twitter, Instagram, and Facebook are all nuking monetization for both AIslop AND reposted content, there's no longer any incentive for the sloppers to keep spamming like they once were.
>>153923599from the sounds of the /wsr/ thread, it doesn't sound like /r/ was doing all that well to begin with.
>>153923599I cannot stress enough how much damage AIslop has done to imageboard culture. While the law itself does have some very dangerous implications for free speech in general, people hate AIsloppers so much that they don't even care about some law being passed to fuck them over. They refused to have a little decorum on the internet and felt the need to spam their shit in every corner of the net (it got so bad that catbox had to completely block data center IPs and VPNs because a bunch of AIslop vibecoded AI agents were just using catbox to host all their junk files and upload images.It is utterly fucking insane how much AI "coding" and AI "apps" are just stealing from open-source and hobby projects ran by some random dude, just like how all AIslop art is basically just stolen.
>>153923599I think it's because the board was pretty much dead at that point. It's hard to get worked up in support of a board that was completely full of sloppers begging and shilling. Now that I think about it this is a good case of what an AI dedicated board would end up being like.
>>153923599>I'm surprised I haven't seen more people throw a shit fit over itMy theory is that it’s because the site’s staff doesn’t care to update news anymore
>>153923724I was just thinking about why the fuck 4chan doesn't have an /ai/ board but I guess /r/ filled the gap. Kinda makes me wonder where they're gonna go now that /r/ is gone. Seems like it served like an accidental containment board in its own right.
>>153923671I can understand /r/ being slop but people can get ravenous about porn, especially custom made porn made of women they were related to. >>153923879AI bros aren't satisfied keeping that shit to themselves. Part of the appeal is to push their slop to real humans for recognition. No one that makes AI content is pleased by the idea of AI bots being the only ones consuming said content. The human element is what makes it worth it which ironically, they don't get when it comes to the production of art
>>153923879there's already ai containment threads on basically all the NSFW boards, so it's pretty spread out already
>>153921196>AI is freeYou're a fucking retard. Just like all the businesses that are converting because AI is cheaper than keeping humans on the payroll. And all of those short-sighted nimrods are about to find out...AI is being shilled so hard because it's not profitable. Tech bros desperately need their gamble to pay off, so they're trying to get people reliant on their services so when they start charging what they'd actually need to make a profit, people won't have any choice but to pay it. They're running services at a steep loss. Even services that have paid tiers aren't charging NEARLY enough to break even. We're in the seduction phase of the tech. This is how Netflix, Uber, Grubhub, Amazon, etc, all worked. Seduce the public with impossibly low prices and ridiculous benefits, push out the competition, then jack the prices and reduce the service amenities. You can run some shit-tier image generators locally, but any real work is going to require fire power that the average consumer does not have. Why the fuck do you think AI bros are building all those data centers? In the long run, AI is going to be much much MUCH more expensive than just paying people to do the job, but AI bros are hoping to push out the human workforce and for specialized skills to be lost so you have no choice but to pay their ridiculous subscription fees.
>>153921865>premium services are NOT free and it will NEVER BE>professional services have SERIOUS pricing and is not for newbies.and neither of those services are charging anything close to what they need to actually break even let alone turn a profit. Everyone who thinks AI is cheap are going to get a serious wake up call when tech companies actually start charging realistic rates.
>>153923705>rule 34xxx, a site that has been running for YEARS, had a simple way to filter posts with fetishes you didn't like>they had implement a filter entirely for AI because people flooded the site with itWild shit, also, 2,974,864 ai slop posts as of right now.
>>153924334and that's just the ones that actually got tagged.
So since things generated with AI aren't copyrightable, what exactly prevents someone from just uploading this to youtube?
>>153924365Youtube's system is my best guess. Sure, people will reupload it and you can't copyright AI content, but Youtube has the most knee-jerk reporting system when it comes to even potential copyright situations. If Amazon cries foul then Youtube will likely comply because Youtube is completely bitch-made nowadays.
>>153916360They're trying desperately to justify their cripplingly massive investments into unprofitable AI faggotry.
>>153922160>If they give Jorge a budgetThis push is only happening precisely because they DON'T want to give them a budget.
>>153922153>Those animation jobs are never coming backNot with that attitude. If everyone just accepts that the use of AI is a foregone conclusion and they roll over, then AI will be the only way things are done and the jobs won't come back. But indie is the equalizer. It's NOT a good long term solution, but it shows networks that there's popular interest in creator-driven animated projects. And if a few more indies pop through at even a fraction of what Hazbin or TADC did, coupled with the success of recent animated films like K-Pop Demon Hunters, then they'll come swarming in trying to get a piece of the action. At which point, animators can be in a good position to get jobs back. But it relies on people not giving in and not working with the enemy. Jorge Gutierrez is a fucking scab and he's done extreme damage to the animation scene. Fuck him in his stupid fat autistic face. Sucks...I actually liked his work
>>153923166People have felt comfortable fucking around because they haven't had to find out yet. It's up to consumers to vote with their wallets and show people that working with AI is not worth the perceived advantages.
>>153916360>entire full length episodes generated using AIAnd so it begins...
This aged poorlyhttps://x.com/mexopolis/status/1831771363385729385
>>153919767Shut the FUCK up, guy. You've been shilling this garbage for years because you're incapable of making anything that isn't schizoid scribbles.
>>153918957>pocket watch creator partnerWhat? Is a small child making and repairing watches on YouTube? I know it is extremely unlikely but I have no idea how to put those words together otherwise.
As did thishttps://x.com/mexopolis/status/1983305466425094600
https://x.com/mexopolis/status/1902397070360899704
https://x.com/mexopolis/status/1663040798118805504
>>153918866I love this book
Is that Jorge's theme music?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL3Rj9IT4Mc
>>153921759AI is already more integrated into the daily lives of the Chinese than it is here. They'll never fully abandon it, and China owns all the land their data centers are built on to begin with.
Doesn't this fucker already have a Speedy Gonzalez film in the works?! For all the people trying to excuse his selling out for "times are hard"...dude has several projects in the works right now. He didn't need this.
>>153925176Tbf I imagine if you see how Warner handled Coyote vs ACME from the inside you'd reckon to yourself the writing is on the wall
tv animation is dead
>>153916406>>153917677Fat hypocrite
>>153925541And yet he recently said he in talks with nickelodeon to continue El Tigre and maybe even add Jenny Wakeman from the teenage robot show and Zim from Invader Zim to the show. I shit you not.
>>153918992I work in video games and the sale for AI-slop video games, especially porn games, are significantly outpacing most of the non-AI games.A tiny fraction of a fraction of consumers are actually against AI. The rest either don't care or can't tell and will still buy.The only hope for this bubble to pop would be AI eating itself because it has nothing else to build off of except for AI.
>>153925779>>153925779Taking his random statement from casual conversation at a con literally is an autistic interpretation. In the context of talking to a person in passing whom you've never met before, if one person is going on about how the TV industry is dead and indie is taking over, it's really easy to understand how the other person could politely agree and say something like "Yeah man, TV animation is dead!" The reasonable interpretation would not be to take that at face value. They're offering support because they've interpreted that you think indie is the future and they want to encourage your enthusiasm. It wouldn't be very polite for him to say, "Well actually, I have several TV shows in the works right now, so maybe it isn't really dead yet. Well, at least for SOME of us..."I don't think that Jorge was completely lying. Part of him acknowledges that TV animation has been struggling and that there are exciting new things developing on the indie scene, but he's also been the person talking online about how the industry always ebbs and flows and as tough as things are now, it will bounce back again.
>>153925840well, that and AI isn't profitable for the purveyors of AI. People are rushing in because AI companies are currently running at a loss so the tech is cheap and/or free. They're trying to get people reliant on their services. It won't be that way forever. AI companies are hemorrhaging money, but are propped up on speculative worth of their stocks and deep pocket investors. But they're panicking because the public hasn't been adopting the tech as a necessary part of their every day lives yet. The tech is stupid expensive. That's why we're seeing such an aggressive push to include AI in everything. They want to get the world to NEED it, so when they start charging real prices, people won't have an option other than to pay it. AI eating itself is one option, but the other is for enough people to hold out long enough that AI companies start shuttering. We're already seeing companies roll back programs that were too expensive to keep afloat.
>>153916360Out of all the people to sell out to AI I never expected him to be among the sellouts.
>>153926059I accidentally read this as AI eating itself out. Time to go to bed, I guess.
>>153918644>Get over yourselves, artificial intelligence is a revolutionary technology. It democratizes art and allows the working class an actual shot at making our own dreams come true"AI" has only been made available to thr masses to manufacture the publics consent to such systems being used to dictate their lives far more invasively than what global infrastructure could do before, and it's working with retards like you. All this shit is just jangling keys in front of your face while large scale omnivorus data harvesting models have been active as far back as the early 2000s with the NRO.
>>153917677so he's not only a mexican 'proud' enough of his country to never go back to it, if he were to go back he wouldn't give 'his people' work.*chef's kiss* stereotypes exist for a reason.
>>153926202Dude not even a true Mexican He spent most of his childhood in San diego usa
>>153925031This one aged even worse than the others given the date it was posted. He was probably already developing the show with Amazon at that point, so he was being two-faced about it all too
He made a statement, you can say whatever you want, just don't attack his family.Anyway, way to poison the other non-AI projects you got going bub.
>>153916406>>153917677this fat douche has always been like "WAAAAH THE GRINGOS ARE THE REASON MY SOUTH PARK TIER ANIMATION SHOWS FLOPPED", just zero accountability or integrity as an artist.
>>153926327>OY VEY STOP SENDING DEATH THREADS TO MY FAMILY! EVEN MY WIFE'S 2 YEAR OLD SON GOT THEMOne of the oldest yiddish books in the trick
>>153916360This is so highly satanic, it's like they want to upset good little christians
>>153926327Who where the ones who were happy for him All I ever see on Twitter blusky Instagram whatever are all dumping him
>>153926527There are a couple of trolls who were not really happy for him as much as they were happy that people were getting upset. I don't think that's who he's referencing. I think saying that "a lot of you are happy" is his way of being diplomatic in case there are some supporters he missed and also trying to soften the impact of admitting that a lot of people are mad at him.
there will be mass suicides when people realize its not a bubble
>>153925541Where's the lie? Animation is extremely expensive to the point where the only way to make it profitable was through ads and merch and since streaming killed ad revenue the only way to have a working cartoons is through merch sales
>>153919936No it’s because he shits out uninspired concepts and just slaps Mexican iconography on them hoping to make them halfway interesting. Also guy you’re literally a pedophile who can’t draw why even go there when you know this kek
>>153919069I wish, all this shit went from low quality jokes of will smith eating spaghetti to dystopian in record time. I just want things to be normal again.
>>153917859Not defending Jorge but lmao Matt is an idiot
>>153927102Lmao was this you?
>>153921916>No, you don't understand!>Is what he did hypocritical? Absolutely. Unethical? Yeah. But see, there was money to be made. >He make money so it fine. What other options does he have? Work at, like...a store? With dirty, normal people and shit? Ewwwwwww!!
>>153916489>hiring manager lady looks at resume>gets the ick from job positions only lasting a few months at a time. >le trash.jpg
>>153918995like they said, they either live as a chad or die as an unlovable chud.and unfortunately, we're gonna see more of those people that are gonna end up being the latter just for a subway coupon.
>>153922094I don't understand why people are so mad at him for using AI. Can you explain it?
>>153927363People (the ones that like his work) don't like AI. Jorge was vocal about disliking AI as seen here >>153924995 >>153925031 >>153925059 and now it's revealed that he's heading some AI animation project for Amazon.In short, people don't like sellouts and hypocrites.
>>153917677Isnt this more like going to a prostitute instead of finding a wife and make a family?
>>153927405I don't like AI either, but getting mad at someone for making a bad movie is nonsensical.
>>153927627its less like he's making a bad movie and more like he's pulling up the ladder for anyone who WANTS to animate. Animation is a collaborative exercise where you have storyboarders, you have keyframe and in between artists, people who work on backgrounds. With AI it takes away all those jobs in an already shrinking economy and gives the money to some big coprorate asshole like Nvidia or OpenAI or Anthropic because some suit prick doesn't wanna pay a working man a wage. Add onto this hollywood and other companies already treats animation as for baby bitches unlike real CGI slop movies and youre basically dealing with something that will fuck over the entire medium as far as American animation goes.
>>153917946I cant wait to see commie luddites blasted to bits by android security teams>>153918085Oh man the asshurt radiating off takes like that is beautiful. So many people think they can undo what's being done. They cope with talks of the bubble bursting and market corrections yet the technology will continue to be refined and implemented on a widespread scale regardless.Everyone in Western animation could have avoided this, but they just had to push their faggot agenda. 'Memba silence is violence? Pepperidge farm 'membas. You all nuked any chances you had of finding support among consumers long before AI reared its head. >Sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind
>>153918307Give it a decade and things could calm down. We're still too entrenched in culture war faggotry to producd anything worthwhile.
>>153918888>he doesnt know all the AI tech oligarchs want to eliminate copyright IP law>him and all his like minded peers will likely rage over this being a bad thing despite screeching about the unfairness of copyright IP law for the last few decades(you) deserve less than nothing
timmies seethingviva la raza
>>153926327Can't believe that Anti-ai luddites are killing children over thisA storm is going to wash you MAGA turds away
>>153920374/threadMost of the people shrieking over this news will never accept that reality either. They'll just scream into the void even as the AI shoves a steel bar up their asses. They deserve this and so much worse. We'll live to see so many 2010's ""talents"" living out their days on skidrow and it will be so vindicating.
>>153918888>>153928195Its the complete opposite. Courts have already ruled AI generations cannot be copyrighted, thats why big companies are suing AI model companies for training their models on copyrighted data instead of people generating AI pictures. All AI generated content is Public Domain, it belongs to everyone.What it also means is that Amazon cannot own the rights to these animated series either. They're creating shows for Prime that can be freely and lawfully distributed by torrents. Only way they can avoid that is if humans create pretty much all the content and the AI use is just a texture work in the background or something.
>>153920860/a/ isnt full of communist shitlibs who defend dogshit cartoons and the deluge of ever worse revivals of once good shows to the bitter end. /co/ inadvertantly curated the hate it sees now, /a/ avoided this outcome through gatekeeping autists and maintaining an all around better public image.
>>153921393Not if you generate locally using an open source model.
>>153920374>>153928222Unfortunately most of the AI shills are just as insufferable and think they can own the rights to a prompt.
>>153928157based brownchad
>>153925840>I work in video games and the sale for AI-slop video games, especially porn games, are significantly outpacing most of the non-AI games.>tiny tiny portion are against AI.Complete fucking lie if you've ever been to any porn site ever. They were the first sites to get flooded with so much slop that they had to contain it in separate websites or have AI filters. All big social media sites are eventually going to have their own filters and require all AI content to be tagged.
>>153919069Of course it’s dead. It’s a complicated technology that became available a decade too early and is entirely unstable. As an art tool it’s a nightmare that’s nowhere near ready to make anything besides goon slop. Problem is companies and hacks like Jorge fell for the bait that it will make your ideas easier to make, removing the necessity of hiring people. Believing these instantly make movie and shows with the press of a button when that’s not true at all. It’s a big fad costing people’s job and making certain people rich, but it will all go away just like NFTs. AI will stick around but for management and coding departments, not art.
>>153918957>Hunters>k pop>restore the barrier, uh I mean music shameless
Never trust Chicano garbage
>>153916406>he was El Bobesponja all this time
>>153928577>but it will all go away just like NFTs.Nah, AI does have some use, mainly replacing quick photoshop tricks and wikipedia. So its more likely that AI will go the way of VR where it fails to conquer the world but finds its niche in video editor tools and better search engines and code copypasting tools.
>>153925840>I work in video games and the sale for AI-slop video games, especially porn games, are significantly outpacing most of the non-AI games.Lol, I can tell you don't actually know anything about vidya, because that's just a bold-faced lie.Porn games in general are getting absolutely raped off of most platforms now thanks to payment processors, and AIslop porn games even moreso since multiple AIslop games have been used as vehicles for malware.
>>153918085bold to assume anyone will give a shit about anything made now.
>>153928985Pretty much how I see it going if things go well. On a personal note, lotta porn sites need to implement a AI filter like R34xxx did, because dam it's getting annoying to find stuff.
>>153919834newfag
>>153928087it sounds like those jobs aren't needed any more. Those people should move into other industries. Why should jobs that aren't needed exist forever? These aren't plumbers. These people make children's entertainment.
>>153921916>Because if you haven't noticed, the American animation industry has fallen apart.Why can't they just relocate their studios to Japan and pay the artists peanuts like the Japanese?
>>153929316youre a retard. may your job automate and replace you dipshit.
>>153929260Was trying to find old painting of Charybdis from early 2000s in another 4chan thread, but couldn't find it because the google search was so full of AI slop results. The slop is genuinely making internet less useful.
>>153928985>and better search engines>>153929700>but couldn't find it because the google search was so full of AI slop results.LolLmao
>>153929510>your jobAnon, you and I both know that that anon is a NEET.
>>153919559Y'know I did find it strange that Cupcake & Friends was 'created by BuzzFeed Studios' rather than an individual person (or duo)
>>153918957I'm assuming someone's already hacked the AI model to make porn of this.
>>153916360Butlerian jihad now. Kill all clankers
>mexican chooses lazinessbravo jorge
>>153916360>>153918644The biggest issue I have with AI being passed off as art is the idea that it allows the laziest, most braindead common denominators to call themselves artists and expect special treatment for their preferences. And I know what happened to the Internet when the common crowd got their filthy, unwashed, normalfaggot hands on it. Disgusting. The grieving never stopped.>>153920860The gate wasn't strong enough.
>>153930081>The biggest issue I have with AI being passed off as art is the idea that it allows the laziest, most braindead common denominators to call themselves artists and expect special treatment for their preferences.That doesn't really matter. "High art" is a meme pushed by money launderers. AI fails simply because people aren't ready to pay money for it. So there is no career in making AI art. Even if all the AI pajeet dreams come true and AI becomes the magic button that creates everything, nobody will pay money for your AI art because they can just create their own for free with their own magic AI button.
>>153930191That's a good point actually. Which is making me more angry when shills keep saying everyone is going to be able to make what they want when the technology is finally perfected in 2 weeks. Considering how there's documented cases of AI brain drain, I think the idea is to get people addicted when its a free luxury, then pull the rug once everyone's too poor or stupid to rely on alternatives. And if that isn't the most turbo jew thing you can do, I don't know what is
>>153916360I don't like AI taking jobs but at this ooint feels the only solutions is going full Ludite and burning the Data centers
>>153918644>democratizes artlmao
>>153916406I thought the implication was that it was some nobody Amazon hired to imitate his art style.
>>153930696Nevermind just saw the tiny text, what was he thinking?
>>153916360Amazon Prime cartoons gone soulless.
good reminder that a lot of AI shilling is also coming from script bots
>>153930750>amazon >soulpick one
>>153930620redditard logic
>>153918957I suppose after resorting to AI, they were already completely out of shame, so there were no issues with stealing the premise too.Could have AT LEAST changed the music genre from K-Pop if they were going to be so blatant about it.
>>153919559Loryn's work is garbage, but at least she's showing she has some spine unlike Jorge
>>153928087>its less like he's making a bad movie and more like he's pulling up the ladder for anyone who WANTS to animate>>153929316it sounds like those jobs aren't needed any more.In order to get rid of those jobs wholesale, AI bros NEED well respected artists like Jorge Gutierrez to help normalize the use of the tech. The industry has largely been rejecting AI tech and fans have been resistant to accept AI animated slop as actual entertainment. When known creators sign on, it starts warming people up to the idea in ways that AI bros were unable to do by simply shoveling the tech down peoples' throats. It sounds dramatic to say this, but Gutierrez is doing untold damage to the industry by being the person who normalizes AI tech in animation spaces. Animation jobs haven't been replaced by AI yet, but whether he knows it or not, Jorge is ushering that era in. And eventually the tech bros will get rid of him too.
>>153916360>the first one is made by an old suit who exploits and monetises little kids on Youtube, and is using one of these kids as a face to make a shameless rip-off of the most popular animated movie of last year>the second one is made by FUCKING BUZZFEED, a company with a long history of pissed off former employee's who all echo how shitty the content farm's management is, and is now making AI content of an ex-employee's character despite her explicitly telling them not toHonestly, both of those deserve far more negative attention than Jorge being a shameless sell-out
>>153928254>the AI use is just a texture work in the background or something.that may be how the tech is being used. Or for doing in betweens. The info on how AI is being integrated is purposefully being kept obtuse.
>>153930923No, you'll get your shitty AI generated Kpop music and you'll like it.
>>153928281>most of the AI shills are just as insufferableThey laughably want to be called "prompt engineers".
>>153916360Bros............
>>153931423I've seen them repeatedly go on about how complicated it ACTUALLY is to do the prompts but then when they actually showcase it, all it ends up being is punching the machine until it gives the feedback you want. And even then it doesn't give back what they want most of the time. The amount of settling for what it gives you in the AI prompting community is wild.
>>153916360It's over senpai
>>153930620The luddites were right
>>153931350Thing is you expect it from them, but Jorge was supposed to be cool.
>>153931423>>153931518don't they come from california too? or is it another state I'm thinking of?
>>153931601Shh, you can't say that about The Buzzword
>>153918957TToTT
>>153931671California has several anti-AI laws. Hell, they just made another one. So you might be thinking of another state. Or just India.
>>153916360>Matt Braly is having a meltdown over this at TwitterDamn the betrayal was so hard, i think Jorge also donated to Clara And The Below iirc.
>>153920860Because /co/ has fuck all in terms of moderation, if you haven't noticed we're overrun with some of the worst spam threads.
>>153932588Spam and bitching.
>>153920374>>153928222Hope you guys like the surveillance state the AI you're shilling for will be used to create in a couple years when all the data centers are complete. Hint: AI isn't just used to create slop. It's also used in facial recognition software, flock cameras, you name it. Persona already got caught linking the facial and ID scans they got from Age Verification to other documents including your bank accounts and financial records, voting history, etc.But hey, if bootlicking a bunch of crusty CEOs and politicians with ties to Isreal all to own some artists who mildly annoy you makes you happy, more power to you. I wish you all the luck and fun generating legal/corporate-approved AI slop, all cryptographically signed with your Digital ID. Just don't criticize Isreal or express any other "problematic" opinions or your car might decide to "accidentally" throw you into oncoming traffic.
>>153932669We already live in a surveillance state you slack jawed retard. We have ever since the patriot act was passed. Cars come with built in glowie controls. Come up with some new material already jackass.
Based Wikipedia
>>153932786Does your dumb ass really think it's a binary and that this shit can't get even worse and worse? You're the type of retard that burns his hand on the stove and thinks "well I'm already a little burnt, what's being thrown into a lava pit gonna do?"You must be an indian with an IQ that low.
>>153918204And he would still take a decade to make 10 minutes of animation
>>153916360>one of these directors was vocally against AI less than a year ago, now he is openly using it in one of his productionsI knew it was inevitable but to see people sell out on their principles so blatantly like this is still demoralizing to see. This entire world is just so rotten.
>>153931518the trick is you need to make sure to say "masterpiece" and also make sure to explicitly tell it to only make 5 fingers. I worked like...really hard on this. Don't steal it. These are MY ideas.
>>153931852Jorge has generally been supportive of other animators which is why when he does something to normalize AI use in animation which will result in even more layoffs and fewer opportunities, it feels like a complete rug pull.
>>153925176I thought he had multiple projects in the works.
>>153933286my prompt now
>>153926327I'm too cynical I guess but this makes me roll my eyes. Invoking the "i'm getting death threats!!" card anytime someone has a scandal is so typical that I almost think it's part of the modern day crisis management textbook. It's a cheap way to garner sympathy and reframe the group of people criticizing you as hysterical with a low bar for proof. Obviously I would hope it would go without saying that sending death threats over a cartoon is fucking stupid, but was literally anyone doing that? Was a single living soul talking about his son or his wife before he brought them up?
>>153931852He took a photo with Dana Terrace days before the announcement, this most have being a big stab in the heart to both.
>>153933413...that's what I said
>>153933446
>>153934509She’s cute. Sucks that Buzzfeed is fucking with her character. Apparently she contacted the CEO and begged him not to do this. He responded by trying to coerce her into signing an NDA which she refused. Scummy.
>>153934509While she was being insanely melodramatic in her original statement about this, I still feel pretty bad for her. This situation is just full on ass. Imagine waking up to your shit becominh an AI cartoon for Amazon, like, shit man.
>>153934907>melodramaticI get it, and I don’t think she was being overboard. It must really suck to see this happening and know that there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
>>153935169It's more the phrasing that comes off as melodramatic. The content itself is fine.
>>153934509The Good Advice Cupcake’s a cunt and so is she. Still neither deserved this.
>>153916406I never liked his shit anyway.
>>153934509just taking the chance to say that the AI one looks like it came out of a creepypasta or something, why the fuck it looming around in the dark like that
>>153919069Startups are already collapsing, the one that Domino's funded to automate pizzas has just shut down.https://futurism.com/robots-and-machines/dominos-robotics-startup-pizza-shuts-down
>>153928985>mainly replacing quick photoshop tricks and wikipedia.Frankly, you're an idiot. Relying on a program notorious for misinformation as an alternate Wikipedia is a recipe for disaster, and you'll ALWAYS end up spending more time trying to fiddle with AI than just opening up fucking Photoshop.
>>153918644Nobody are tired of this "Beanmouth" thing that every cartoon now have?
>>153932669What's funny is that AI is fucking AWFUL at being surveillance tech. There's been multiple cases where AI managed to hallucinate completely random people as being guilty for shit they weren't even remotely responsible for.You're not even getting a surveillance state out of this, you're getting surveillance theater.
>>153937181mAIsterpiece (surveillance) theater
>>153918085People are already forgetting about TADC
>>153917794AI can't replace the animation industry because it's already been replaced by this
>>153918957>K-Pop hunters but lolisCouldn't happen without AI.
Wow, you guys really are crybabies.
>>153937530What else are you supposed to do on /co/? Talk about Comics and Cartoons? Ludicrous.
>>153937405>skibidi “lost the rights” toiletkekky!
>>153926327UPDATE!...He deleted the post.
>>153918332When it comes to AI, Japan has avoided it becoming a big problem so far, but China and Korea are dealing with it seeping into a lot of their arts. Also most Anime, outside the mega hits, are heavily funded by merchandise, blu-ray sales, events, etc. IIRC Konosuba literally only got its 3rd season because it had a a mobile game
>>153939079>Anime alredy has AI in thier animation. WTF are you retarded.All industries alredy use AI even anime and belong in the >>>/trash/>>153937530Neck yourself poopjeet seaniggers
>>153938904>>153940793Oof, looks like he’s realizing that he pretty much completely fucked himself. If AI doesn’t win out, he’s burned A LOT of bridges in the animation community. If AI does win out, they’re going to replace him with the AI that he helped to normalize. He made a Faustian deal where he loses either way.
>>153923251AND EVERYBODY HATES THE JEWSBUT ON NATIONAL BROTHERHOOD WEEK
>>153918644>NOOO YOU GUYS! DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND! PICKING UP A PENCIL IS HARD AND STUFF. I NEED A FUCKING DATACENTER RAISING THE POWER BILL OF AN ENTIRE GOD DAMNED CITY TO DRAW MY FUTA POMNI FOR ME. PENCILS ARE COST PROHIBITIVE AND DRAWING IS REALLY HARD AND STUFF
>>153937405Oh AI can do MUCH worse
>>153941317This, if AI can fully capture his style, why the hell would the big faceless corp keep him around?
>>153917794>>153918644>>153918770>>>/g/ay>>153919074Don’t worry about them. They’re trolls from /g/. They have their heads up their own ass they can’t tell the difference between their own shit.
AI is going to replace 2D animators and optical printer bluescreen technicians and negative cutters and projectionists
What if I know AI is pure garbage but I'm fine with the industry going down in flames as long as the leftist vermin who infested it die in the gutters?
>>153941746>>153941746>>153941746You have no idea what actually happened to make the industry suck so bad, and it's got to do with a very simple fact the goddamn schools over produced animators. Every single leftist retarded kid grew up on anime and wanted to make their own so it all became animators in the school just took the money and smiled. That's why you got two to three generations of animators and who are all the same and overproducing them has created an industry-wide problem. Disney for example at maximum capacity at around 600 working on a movie. Nowadays how many animators are available thousands and thousands so you do the math.
>>153941814This isn't just about the animators, my support for Total Industry Death.
>>153941841The industry is not going to die, it's just going to end up incorporating AI into the production pipeline. Disney spoke about this but you dumbasses never read anything or understand anything. Disney's fundamental problem was not the quality of the films or the messaging the conclusion they came to in their annual report is the film's cost too much. That's why they want AI to make the same crap cheaper. So the whole idea of the industry's cooked is based on people who have no actual knowledge of business economics or the actual entertainment industry they simply parrot what they've been told
>>153941863Ah well. As long as leftist vermin are dying miserable deaths in the gutters as the result of AI enshittification I'm happy.
>>153941863When you adjust for inflation their budgets today are half of where they were in 2010
>>153941475It’s a villainous trope. “Rewarded as a traitor deserves”, where, having no more use for the traitorous lech who helps them attain their goal, double crosses them and either kills them straight out, or gives them some sort of ironic twist of their bargain. >Gutierrez: There, I did what you asked. I helped normalize AI. Now for your end of the bargain…>Corpo sleaze: Oh yes…what was it again? You wanted your original series to be made, is that right? >Gutierrez: Si, señor>Corpo Sleaze: Your wish has been granted. Here is your series *motions to television playing cartoon*>Gutierrez: I’m sorry, I don’t understand señor. I haven’t made it yet>Corpo Sleaze: No, but WE have, thanks to your help. I think you’ll enjoy it. And you’ll have plenty of time to watch it now that you’re on permanent unpaid leave. Don’t worry about the animation, Jorge. We’ll take it from here. Enjoy your rest!>Gutierrez: NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
Where do I go to tell aspiring matte painters that AI is going to take their dream job?
>>153941904This. They politicized everything behind the scenes. I can't remember all the initiatives, but a lot were revolving around some major campaigns of gutting all men in animation, hiring all female studio teams, and hiring in favor of more femoids in the animation industry. Hence why you also see cartoon content change so drastically after AT to what was once adventurous centric media to mellow-drama slop. DEI as well and that only nepo-babies can afford getting into college, and said college's are already extremely left leaning.
>>153941863Gee, maybe if they stopped giving themselves multimillion dollar raises and bonuses every year (on top of stock options), animation wouldn’t be required be impossibly profitable?Infinite growth is retarded.
>>153941952>muh DEIYesterday’s news, douche. Find a new buzzword.
>>153916360That all looks like shit. On the bright side, an animated adaptation of Wings Of Fire is coming to Amazon.
>>153941952Adventure time was story driven since 2012
>>153942040What's the nee Trojan horse term for it? BRIDGES or something?
>>153942040>Still a policy that is heavily implemented and allows retards to be entitled to fail upwards.I'll REEE about it till it's gone.
>>153941746The animation industry as we know it is going down with or without AI. A lot of anons itt genuinely think things will go back to normal if AI somehow goes away. Indies will stick around, but most megacorporations, except Disney, are just going to cut their animation branches or keep the lights on to produce one or two proven legacy IP shows like SpongeBob.
>>153942150K-Pop Demon hunters fucking printed money. TADC printed money. I think you have a valid perspective, but as long as corpos see that there’s money to be made, they’re going to try to get a piece of it. I don’t think that ultimately indies are going to be the way forward, but I think enough independent successes could prove that animation still has a viable share of the market.
>>153942193>don't think ~~ indies are going to be the way forwardHonestly it depends on how things are gonna be moving forward economically with AI, and automation of the economy ramping up. If we're gonna see proto or full on UBI, indie might be the new norm. Especially if you can just plug in your Character Sheets and Key Frames and Storyboards into an AI and it basically does all the inbetween work, yeah, solo studios might be popping up. But that's extreme speculation on a lot of fronts.
>>153942193K-Pop was a happy accident. Sony didn't want it, but Netflix greenlit the project and dropped it on their platform with zero marketing. Honestly, after the way Netflix killed their in-house studio, along with projects like Toil & Trouble and the Bone adaptation, they didn't deserve the success. Their approach with animation is just launching a bunch of things at the wall and seeing what sticks. There's no vision, and that's not sustainable. You can always count on Hollywood to learn the worst lessons from their successes.
>>153942329Netflix is retarded in it's own way because it *isn't* Hollywood and has more in common with tech culture. It's why they've done such a piss poor job of promoting the things they do make, a poor job of approving things and a poor job of getting stuff made in a timely manner and why they stick with the binge model despite it being disadvantageous for brand building.
>>153942329>Toil & Trouble and the Bone adaptationIt fucking hurts so bad... so fucking bad... but we get that new animal big-mouth slop show instead...
>>153942307It also hinges a lot on public reception. Use of AI would probably matter less in a mainstream setting where films/shows are being peddled to the average joe, but indie animation is chock full of people who seem to very much care how the sausage is made. AI is controversial (as Mr. Gutierrez is learning the hard way) and an indie adopting AI tech might cause enough backlash to sink a studio. An issue that’s not helping matters is that entrepreneurs are in a rush to start making a profit, so tools are getting rolled out before they’re really ready. If the first few “AI assisted” animated shows or movies have enough issues to feel uncanny or glitchy, it may make “AI assisted animation” synonymous with cheap and shitty.
>>153942329But it ended up being a huge success regardless. I agree that it was a happy accident, and while the takeaway should have been “wow, people are really hungry for original animated IPs that are just fun and don’t try to pander, huh?”, what they are actually taking away from this is “Quick! We need to do a bunch of sequels, clones, and ripoffs ASAP!” The point wasn’t that Hollywood would learn from K-Pop demon hunters specifically, the point is that there are contemporary examples out there proving that there’s a viable market for original animation and regardless of whether they learn the right lessons or not, Hollywood is taking notice. Again, I’m not sure that companies like Glitch are necessarily the way forward, but if they are able to continue churning out IPs that do significant enough numbers, Hollywood might start to take the hint. For the record, I’m not alleging that TADC type numbers are repeatable…I think that was a lightening in a bottle situation, but now that people are paying attention, I think it’s totally possible that another Glitch show will do well enough to at least become a blip on the mainstream radar which may be enough to start moving the needle.
>>153942414>AI assisted animationI think there's gonna be a real distinction between organic animation (if we can all it that as a placeholder), hybrid/AI assisted animation, or just full on AI animated stuff. I think the middle ground is what's going to empower artists to be able to make full on animated episodes and movies by themselves, or collaborate to a greater extent. Since anyone who knows, knows that normal animation takes for fucking ever to finish. I think as I said before, where you do a lot of the main work, and for instance, the Inbetween frames are covered by AI would help a lot, or even doing inbetween Inbetween Keyframes if that makes sense to help at least streamline the work a bit. But a lot of these corpos and companies don't give a shit about the art, the craft, or the storytelling.
>>153942374Toil and Trouble could have been cool. I was actually more interested in seeing the Medusa adaptation, though I’d want that to be a series over a one-off film. The story of Medusa is fucking tragic and once I found out that she was cursed. She was originally a mortal borne to primordial sea gods Phorcys and Ceto. She was the only mortal of three sisters and was renown for her great beauty. Men lusted after her, but she was a priestess in Athena’s temple and had taken a vow of chastity. She caught the attention of the sea God Poseidon who attempted to seduce her, but Medusa resisted knowing that her vow of chastity was paramount for maintaining her position as priestess. Not to be deterred, Poseidon aggressively pursued Medusa eventually frightening her enough to take refuge in Athena’s temple hoping to find protection. Poseidon follows her and rapes her in the temple. Athena becomes enraged at this and decides to punish Medusa. Some accounts say it’s because she was no longer chaste, others say it was for jealousy as she had her own thing with Poseidon, and others say it’s because her temple was sullied…and others say that perhaps she was enraged but knew better than to challenge another god, but regardless, she punishes Medusa by transforming her hair into snakes and her eyes into weapons that would turn people into stone. Pretty fucked up that she then ends up getting killed by Perseus who then keeps her head in a sack and uses it as a weapon. She’s such a great tragic figure and I wish there were more people who used her as more than just a monster. I’m not sure that Faust would have been the one to do the character justice, but I’m all in for any Medusa adaptations.
>>153942547Also the corpos did a fucking awful job of rolling AI out. They gleefully clapped their hands as they told everyone that they were going to lose their jobs. The bred a lot of resentment to the point that even though I think there are legitimately good uses for AI, the whole concept has become poison. The ability to auto-tween already exists. It’s one of the reason puppet animation with tools like flash and toon boom are so popular. The animation tends to look cheaper, but it can be made to look serviceable. On one end of the spectrum, there’s basically anything coming out of Canada. On the other, there’s Rapunzel’s Tangled Adventure. I don’t think we need AI to do that.
Based total troonimator unemployment. Generating some futa lipple demon hentai to celebrate
>>153942881>I do it for whitey, that's why my work sucks and I can't express my TRUE visionGod give me a country that isn't a diversified hell hole.
>>153942881God his career really is over
bland algorthimic slop shat out by a mexican is the democratization of art you were promising? this is your brave new world?
>>153942591That's just one version of the story. Funny thing about oral tradition, it's not set in stone.
>>153937181It doesn't have to be good at it. It just has to create the idea that it is, because the point is to imprison dissenters and create reasonable doubt for people on your team. Hallucinations arguably work towards that, not against.
>>153942591you should check out the medusa thread, there's lots of weird variations of the myth to play around with.
>>153934509>Boycott BuzzFeedI've been not reading that shit since before she even worked there lmao, work with slop companies get slop treatment.
>>153941317yeah he's an idiot to have agreed to this.
>>153942591based medusa appreciator
>>153942547>I think the middle ground is what's going to empower artists to be able to make full on animated episodes and movies by themselves, or collaborate to a greater extent. Since anyone who knows, knows that normal animation takes for fucking ever to finish.Didn't flash animation already do that?
>>153943099>set in stoneI see what you did there
>>153943315Yes it did. Like most things with AI, people are trying to use it to (poorly) solve problems that already have solutions.
>>153943391Wasn't intentional.
>>153943371Again, I’ve been reading most of these responses because I’m fascinated with this car crash of a situation and I haven’t seen anything racist or attacks on his kid. I haven’t used Twitter in ages so I’m not sure if it’s possible that he’s just deleting responses before I can read them? I didn’t think Twitter allowed you to do that.
i still love El Tigre, big influence on me as artist and person. As disappointed i am about Jorge's current chud status, El Tigre will be eternal.La puta madre, Jorgito.
>>153943455He's trying to create a victimhood narrative.
>>153943466NTA but it only enhances my brown-on-brown racism when brown people go full retard and then immediately go "Wow really are you being RACIST right now?" when called out.No I'm being ableist because you're RETARDED
>>153943333Is he actually going to backpedal? I was under the impression that a full season was pretty much already done at this point. I don’t know if he can put that genie back in the bottle.
>>153943458KekGood take. Also, nice drawing!
>>153943466All things considered, I think people are being extremely measured in their responses. They’re expressing disappointment, sadness, hurt, etc. But I haven’t really seen any ad hominem attacks, racist or otherwise. If he is trying to falsely portray himself as a victim, that’s manipulative as fuck
>>153916360surelynothing more punk than using technocrat tools that steals sources from the poor artists
>>153935169She can sue them for a breach of contract. If they're going to train their AIs with her content then she's entitled to a bigger paycheck.
>>153943718Probably not. They almost definitely own the character and can do whatever they want with it.
>>153943466I'm honestly glad he is because it goes to show that I was right all along and the woke bullshit that was supposedly killing animation isn't going to go away with AI. If anything it'll get louder because this AI shit attracts the lazy, the entitled, and the people with chips on their shoulder.
>>153943926That's pretty much all woke and DEI is, entitlement for the primo jobs and positions, instead of having to work for it, you can claim racism/sexism at the drop of a hat because Westoid society has created a protected class of leeches and vultures.
>>153918957uohh
>>153918957Proof that Epstein is still alive.
>>153916360>>153917677>>153918957Animation is dead. We just watched it happen.
>>153944013And yet these fags are all cheering to add a bunch of jeets that can't even pick up a pencil to the mix.
>>153940793That I Am Frankelda English trailer came out on the perfect day for Netflix, as so many of the comments on it are basically saying “yeah fuck AI, fuck Jorge, this is more like it!”
>ITT: AI dorks unironically praising a Baby K-Pop Demon Hunters CGI Cocomelon cartoon
>>153944419Your post made me think I was in a TADC thread until I scrolled back up
>>153944311Suicidal empathy, what's worse, it's closer to internalized racism (the unconscious or conscious acceptance of negative societal beliefs, stereotypes, and biases about your own racial group).Giving their positions they worked for to people who don't deserve them and have a victimhood entitlement complex. Leftoids are going to fuck everything their fore-bearers set up for them to ruin their cushy lives and their children's future.
whites are so afraid of AI because it creates an equal playing field.The last bastions of white privilege are being eroded away and they're powerless to stop it. They may lash out, like the Tulsi Massacre, but it won't change the tides.
>>153941946Get into sculpting.
>>153943111That didn't work for them when they bombed a girl's school, people still blamed the bastards running the government instead of their insipid AI excuse. That's really the thing here, no one is convinced this shit works to begin with because everyone can see that this shit is vaporware. They fucked up by trying to make "AI" an everyday product for everyone to use, alongside being hyper fascist tech.
>>153943434If anything, "AI" does a great job at revealing the total idiots that have no idea how anything fucking works. If you see a person think that shit is a reasonable solution, you can safely dismiss anything they say.
>>153943333Hooray!
>>153937405I can't believe AI has made actually appreciate man-made slop like this.
>>153943458I've seen many fans of his react similarly, at least you guys can express your frustration with art.
>>153929309I never got the point of newfags pulling these kinds of screencaps and thinking it means something.Nobody who tries this shit thinks about the date these were posted. 2004-2006. Like, yeah, retard, of course people back then were doublebreaking everything. Categorically everyone was a newfag back then and usually coming off of some space that needed a doublebreak, and if you were using the site ever since back then (like EVERY newfag claims, instead of something a little more modest), you would have had over 20 years to learn to format your fucking posts.
>>153944523Reread the post you responded to.
>>153928254Partially correct. As usual, corpos win in the end, so they own their models (which they suck up trillions of investor funding for) and nothing you make by hand has valid copyright by way of them legally being able to just take your stuff without compensation for trainingANDNothing you create with their models can by copyrighted, but the law specifically exempts AI prodduced stuff with significant human involvement from being public domain, which all of these companies can argue their employment animation staff meet the criteria for.Basically the law is so bought and sold that AI companies can take everything for free but also are protected in selling it back to you. Remember all the big LLMs admit they just torrented the whole of library genesis to make their models.
>>153947082based brownchad
>>153947261>so they own their modelsThe models are already open-source, you can thank China for that.The same way the models torrented everything for their training, China said "lmao, alright" and ripped off all of the paid models for their open source models.
Oh heyhttps://twitter.com/mexopolis/status/2060368285687042063
>>153947396"Shit, I think I'm actually never going to be able work again if I do this."
>>153947396And there is the backpedalCan't wait for people to forget that this even happened in a few months
>>153916360Keke lmao
>>153947396I wonder if people would ever trust him again, this is a permanent stain on his reputation.
>>153943458Cute ass frida, nice anon
>>153947795>I wonder if people would ever trust him againI hope not.
>>153947396This will be on the back of many people's mind, and to the corps trying to push this shit, they'll just have to find a less scrupulous, famous animator to head their projects.
>>153947624It was too late the moment he jumped it, all good will is gone now. Hope he actually learned about how dumb his decision was tho.
>>153932786>we're already getting fucked in the ass with a dildo so why doesn't it matter that it's a baseball bat now?
>>153947396Damn he back pedaled so hard so fast kek
>>153944034you can kill the man but not the idea.
>>153947624lmao, he got called out in social media and now he's acting like he's an activist when only two days ago he was sucking AI dick.
>>153929888Jefrey what are you doing here
>>153947970he has escaped containment!
>>153923705Yeah it's kinda weird how some threads I've been going too on some red board shockingly have anons that post just like 1 or 2 AI images but don't actually flood the thread out of respect. If only every thread was like that.Its always worth noting too that AI spammers are inherently disingenuous cause they are either doing it cause an artist pissed me off once or they just want replies.Like have you noticed that basedjack posting has almost completely dried up? Its cause spammers just moved to AI posts
I just don't know what the endgame of this whole AI thing is.Surely they can't expect AI to just replace artists, right? But I also have a hard time regular artists deciding to completely embrace AI the way they're expected to.I just don't know man.
>>153948285The Tech people astroturfing AI’s usefulness are out of touch with most other industries aswell as humanity itself. At least, seemingly, the experiment is dwindling down. Even Peter Thiel fled to Argentina after saying that he overstated AIs impact on society and employment.
>>153948464>Even Peter Thiel fled to Argentinakek, really?
>>153947396>My intent was to showcase artists ... driving this new tech.That doesn't really explain the whole "AI is like having sex and getting handed a baby!!" thing he said. He's trying to frame his intentions as charitably as possible but he abandoned his previous anti-AI stance to be all in on AI and I don't think that should be let go unless he explains himself
>>153948504Yeah kekGermans fleeing to Argentina has become quite the tradition it seems
>>153946284At least the fandoms have soul https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN9nU5HmfCM
i guess in 40 years ill be a weird conceded old man holding on to the ideals of his youth because i just dont want to see or watch any of it a huge part of the animation medium to me is the art itself and if computers are just shitting it out i dont carein the 90s there were old men saying the same thing about pixar and all computer generated albeit hand crafted to an extent animation, and i recently became self aware that who i already am is the modern equivalent of of them partially because when i really think about while i can appreciate the man hours behind pixar i never really liked watching those films even as a kid and as an adult i never have liked any 3d animated anything unless it was an rpg or rts game. even then most new 3d games look like gutter trash
