>Sells merch in order to fund their business >This makes anons seetheWhy?
Because they think indie should mean "small and broke studio" instead of "studio that's independent from the animation industry"
>>153916394unfortunately they have become increasingly entangled with the animation industry since bringing on danat. not a schizo
>>153916394I just don't want professionals diluting my turfPros should be on tv, amateurs on the InternetThis is how it needs to be
>>153916366Because being indie doesn’t actually mean shit when you start defining the term more and more
>>153916366One episode of TADC costs $4000 but brings in over $15 million in youtube ad revenue alone. Why do they need to sell merch?
>>153916366becausethey jelly
>>153916366Because people grew up in the Newgrounds era and assume indie means "doing everything for free/exposure" when the reality is that everyone wanted to sell out but there just wasn't an easy way to do so like there is today
>>153916508>One TADC episode is $4,000>Ad revenue is $15 million Both of these are horrifically untrue
>>153916366>anonsI think it makes terminally online zoomers on twatter seethe the most. Everyone here just shits on their shows below average writing. I hope everyone here knows that animation is expensive and YouTube pays dick for animators on their platform, can't be mad at them merch selling. One day they might do something that will piss everyone off and enable memberships on the GLITCH YouTube channel.
>>153916508>brings in over $15 million in youtube ad revenue alone.Anon that makes no fucking sense, I don't think a single video has ever made over a million from ad revenue alone. Most YouTubers get rich off of sponsors
>>153916470I see what you mean, and I sort of agree, but at the same time, it's sort of good that an independent studio is able to achieve great heights.On one hand, here's nothing stopping the amateurs from doing their stuff, but on the other, I understand that it becomes intimidating to post anything if everyone will compare your work to what's popular, and the internet was traditionally mostly a place that allowed for free amateur work, rather than being just business.It's just the 'natural' progression of things I guess, since the internet is where most people spend half of their day nowadays. Makes sense that sooner or later it'd become more professional.
>>153916556Don't be too sure >>153916508A lot of anons here are completely ignorant when it comes to the true cost of animation
manchild, tranny, communists (repeating myself I know) despise that their failed.economic models don't work because the act of labor doesn't produce physical wealth out of thin air. Despite being the biggest goyslop capitalist-supporting consumers of toys and worthless funk junk, they want the mere act of viewing a cartoon to produce a hundred dollar bill somehow
>>153916366>20 dubs right off the bat >professional anime, videogame and cartoon VAs from all around the World for all the dubs >professional videogame composers >Outsources animation to professional studios all around the World who also are employed by Warner Bros and Disney >Theatrical release Don't be disingenuous OP
>>153916508Not only those numbers aren't true, but ad revenue can be unstable, so selling merch makes sense from a business standpoint. Plus, there is a high demand for it, what with the popularity of plushies and other series parafernalia.
>>153916366The concept of making money or having a profit motive is offensive to some people.
>>153916394Amazing how the term "independent/indie" mindfucked everyone because of Glitch. Now actual retards are trying so hard to redefine the term just to gaslight even more retards.
>>153916601They also have multiple episodes of Gameoverse in production already
>>153916601is glitch funded by mossad
>>153916508??????? fucking lmao
I don't get it. Cartoon Saloon is an indie studio too and nobody rags on them.
>>153916366>Uzi flipping off that triangle-headed troon If only that could have been Gooseworx instead of Zooble...
Nobody said "Spindlehorse isn't indie anymore" when they made it to Broadway
>>153916366>>153914624
>>153916508Even if this was true, why would they chose to make less money when they could make more money? More money means more projects, more ambitious projects, and more personal wealth for the people involved.
>>153916711We already accepted they weren't indie anymore the second Hazbin got bought by Scamazon
>>153916508>$4000lol You forgot two zeroes in that number.
>>153916726>more personal wealth for the people involvedbecause that belongs to the people (government)
>>153916366I just don't like the thought of people making money from artThey need to grow up and get real jobs
>>153916833>real jobsI always find the jeetcoded seething hatred you guys have of stuff like blue-collar work very interesting
>>153916833You cower before billionaire Taylor Swift
>>153916601>>153916620
>>153916508>>153916585>$4000Lol. Lmao. For TADC you have labor which is modeling characters + rigging, animating, modeling props, VFX, rendering, editing, sound design and multiple VAs...Which would cost five figure or even scratch six figures given the length of these episodes. I've worked on two indie projects and they were more than $30,000USD, the price of a brand new average sedan.
>>153916620>>153916904>mass-samefagging spamtard again
>>153916422I don't doubt you, them taking the theatre bait is proof that they're trying to just integrate into the mainstream industry rather do what's been working for them, or playing to their strength as a independent studio hosted on the web.And it really fucked over every fan waiting for the finale.
>>153916904More like 80% of their yachts
>>153917272Cope
>>153916366Envy
>>153916601>>153916620>>153916904Glitch? more like Bitch! got 'em
>>153916601>>153916904Souless
There's nothing wrong with their other shows doing it but Guinevere's case is specially funny given how much of a blatant anti-corpo dystopia it is.
>>153917854Most blatant form of privilege I have ever seen.>Dana Terrace, creator of The Owl House joins Glitch shortly after leaving Disney>Gets pilot into production immediately>Pilot is just I Hate Disney>Gets greenlit 4 months later>Dana "fans" get angry when she confirms the show is not a lesbian story and that one of the characters is not transgender
>>153916601Please don't take this as defending GLITCH, but none of this is surprising to me. They started off working alongside Crunchyroll when they were in a lot of shit from that god awful westaboo High Guardian Spice bullshit. Still funny though. I bet you money that they would work alongside Rooster Teeth because Arin and Ross knew most of the team, including the late Monty Oum.
>>153918212Reminder the Gameoverse pilot includes an in memoriam to Monty Oum, even his quote (Stolen from Meet the Robinsons BTW) appears in one frame of the episode.
>>153918268Oh right, forgot about that. I wonder how Gameoverse woulda faired if they pitched it to RT instead of GLITCH if the company was still here today.
>>153918318I wonder if Ross tried to pitch it to them since that was in the works since 2015.
>>153916394I don't bother with supporting indie animation to give industry artists a second chance after making decisions that led to the failure of their industry for a decade. So I will focus on relentlessly grilling their failures.
>Glitch: We want to give small indie creators a chance to shine against the industry!>Also Glitch: *give shows to an ex-disney showrunner and ex-gamegrump, give funding to a series that was already funded and already had its own pilot”
>>153916366Because I don't have money to buy all the merch
>>153916366I mean I'm jealous because zero of the shows I've enjoyed in the past decade that aired on major networks have had any official merch to speak of.
>>153918460Who specifically should they have hired instead?
>>153918460I gave my opinions on Dana being hired here (>>153917922), at least Ross had been trying to make Gameoverse a thing since 2015, and IIRC with Lackadaisy Glitch will simply distribute and promote merchandise while the rest remains the same.
>muh sekrit indie clubAHAHAHAHAHA
>>153916508>One episode of TADC costs $4000You are bluffing. There is no way even the VA alone would cost that much, let alone animation, character design, background design, post-production...etc.
>>153916394>try to not be like the industry>start doing literally all the industry practices of cashflow being the main priorityI don’t see how Glitch is anything but just another growing business? I mean look at it how it’s always focusing on merch, sex appeal and as much fan drama as possible to keep engagement. I’d actually say with the things are going it might actually bring in an even worse age for animators. When Glitch goes public, which it will, then it’s going to be even worse than Disney.
>>153916548This
>>153918726They should launch a cable channel so they can fund the volume of shows and episodes that cartoons had 20 years ago
>>153916366The concept of the sellout isn't new. Entertainers always trade up to wealthier clientele given time, we're just a part of the pipeline to them. But that doesn't make it any more pleasant to see something you thought would be here for you in coming years leave for greener pastures - especially when it's over something as impersonal as cash.
>>153916366I feel like people are too obsessed with whether something is indie or not. Whether indie or not, they’re one of the few western animation studios left I’ve seen focusing on starting multiple original series, companies like disney, warner bros, and nick have lost most drive in making anything original, resorting to just using the same 5 ips or less through revivals or reboots. As for the completely optional merch, I don’t fucking care, if it really is to cover animation costs, well then good on them, if not and they’re just greedy, it still has no effect on me since I haven’t gotten a single piece of glitch merch and I still get to watch their shows for free.
Goddamn there a fuckton of bootlickers ITT. Do Glitchfags really?
>>153920872are they supposed to not make merch
>>153916366sour grapes
>>153921016I take it Spindlehorse didn't raise enough red flags yet. GLITCH is the symptom, not the cause.
It’s funny that Toby Fox selling merch for an unfinished game gets way less flak in comparison
>>153916366Those haters are just envious of Glitch's success. I wouldn't pay them any mind. It sucks that the Amazing Digital Circus theatrical screening was sabotaged, but they otherwise seem to be doing really well for themselves.
>>153916366I actually wish my favourite shows had toys like this back when I was a child, it used to be all very bad ones or by the time a cool tou showed up I had already moved on to another show
>>153921855Sadly the best shows never get merch, see ROTTMNT. Playmates backed out when its second season went to die on Nicktoons IIRC.
>>153916601Being serious for a second.....THIS IS HOW THE REAL WORLD WORKS, you can still be an indie creator but have contacts know people become friends with big names etcIt's the reality for any working field in this world you GOTTA GO OUT THERE AND KNOW PEOPLE, if you try to actually do all by yourself you will go insane
>>153921933I don't recall Salad Fingers being outsourced to multiple studios, even when Firth switched from Flash to After Effects.
>>153921955The scale of salad fingers is not even compared to an "idea" like gameoverse, is just David Firth talking to himself
Let's look at the views for pilots made by friends in their basement for free to see if the glitch haters are even watching them like they claim tohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE-s6zYEK1Qhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRkw8nQOZ7chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeIhMDCWuLohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBr1-5sFgOY
>>153917298Arrest
>>153922028The only people who even make remotely what I like are Owen Fishback and Jack C.
Why did hazbin hotel and tadc get hundreds of millions of views? Why didn't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndMbPySKGCg get hundreds of millions of views since it's also an indie pilot? Is it random chance or is it because hazbin hotel had a bigger advertising budget because vivziepop inherited money?
>>153922254>Why did hazbin hotel and tadc get hundreds of millions of views?Because most are from her patreon diehard members.and vivzie succeed.
>>153916366I just kind of hate merch in general. Everyone shits on funkos (for a wide variety of entirely correct reasons) but apparently trying to fill the void in your life with mindless consumerism is perfectly fine as long as the plastic trash you're hoarding is slightly higher-quality than that.
>>153922254>>153922346Viv had industry connections and money.She is a fake underdog and her fans get very angry if you mention that
>>153921933>>153922006>dude artwork by an individual is just insanityI hate you people most of all
>>153916508Where the fuck are you getting these numbers
>>153916508Every day this board gets a little more retarded
>>153916366Merch should be physical comics or video games first. Toys, figurines, other merch can come afterwards. Does Gen Alpha even play with toys?
Reminder that literally that the anime industry also survives solely via merch, is just that the merch anime aims to do is for a older audience, like figures and such
>>153916366If you check major resale sites now, there are a non-insignificant amount of people who are selling entire tote loads of TADC merch because they hate the show after the leaked finale.Kind of hilarious. Imagine if they go under purely because they pissed off people willing to buy their shit and the well dries up.
>>153916394Glitch *is* the animation industry. Being independent means being able to stand on your own, which none of these shows can do without the government-funded metabrand of Glitch and the merchandise sales they've arranged to go with it. The Slop Circus would have had zero viewers without all the Australian-funded shilling of it.
>>153924136You see, the youtube algorithm tracks watch time and percent watched and likes and shares and what platform it's shared to and when you save a video to a playlist and when you skip ahead or skip back or pause and what you watch next, and ranks that behavior against other videos, and TADC did well with that on its own
>>153924136>But there is nothing more indie than getting government fundingImagine being so pathetic.>>153924136Glitch won because they are not as dumb as the mainstream animation studios, also getting government funding will result in them becoming a monopoly over other up and coming independent studios.
>>153924235>But there is nothing more indie than getting government fundingWhat? My post is literally saying the exact opposite. Glitch is not independent, it's not standing on its own when it relies on the government teat... and neither are its lineup of shows that would never get an audience on their own.
>>153924235Imagine being so pathetic you have to beg to the State for Government handouts and waste the taxpayer's money.>>153924886It's more for Glitch stans that still want to see Glitch as the independent underdogs when at best they are the cartoon equivalent to AA gaming.
>>153924112Damn I could never actually imagine myself selling merch because of a bad ending
>>153925074Meh, if your heart isn't in it anymore then I don't see the issue with it. And considering the price they sold it for, if they bought everything during new episode sales, then they might've made more back than what they paid for it all.Oh and it indeed did get sold.https://www.ebay.com/itm/318346605174?stype=1&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
>>153916366Because "capitalism bad" or something. artist must be starving government employees that are so badly paid almost to the point of slavery for wokes apparently
>>153916508
>>153916508Dick Figures the Movie originally needed 250k dollars for its entire production, and it's just a bunch of stick figures. Animation isn't just a one-man job, it's an entire team effort that can have complications left and right. You think studios press the "make cartoon button" on their computer to shit out episodes with no effort? You absolute fucking Mongol
>>153916470Indie =\= amateur
>>153916508> I mean it’s one episode, Michael. How much can it cost? $4000?
>>153918367>tits get bigger in last few yearsNoticing
>>153926774Nice cope
>>153921855same but with pic-rel, i was suprised to see that theres litteraly no official merch of it, not even a movie made despite the huge demand
>>153916366They probably lost lots of money from movie ticket refunds since last week.
>>153926966Sad!
>>153916366People can success but only if their success is smaller than me mkay?
>>153916366Wrong way around.They make cartoons in order to sell merch. It's why all their videos ends on a commercial, because that's the most recent thing they want in your head when you stop watching.
>>153916508Why do they need to sell merch?
