le reddit thinks that rampant speciesism would be the main result of humanoid nonhumans coming out of the sewers, but i think that the normie population of the first world is so ingrained by the culture of today to avoid discrimination of marginalized groups that the mutants would probably get along just fine with most people, they might even get legal protections within a few years. given the decline of religion in the west, i don't think that the introduction of sapient nonhumans would have nearly the same effect as it would 40 years ago.the biggest issue would be logistics and user compatibility for a diverse range of species. medical treatment would have to be personalized, as would any sort of clothing or technology dependent on having good trichromatic vision. but hopefully that just means less mass produced shit from overseas made to fit manlets.i would really hope that our new mutant allies would help us against the (((true enemy))), but ultimately i'd just be down for all of the new memes and drama from the mainstream media. the culture wars would finally be exciting again.i think that elon musk should be actively looking into using genetic enhancement on foxes, particularly female foxes, but that's just me.thoughts?
I would be against it for fear of having yet another population of women who I would be undateable to.
>>154213473All of them would be killed by third worlders for black magic voodoo bullshit.
>>154213473Why does Raph get all the FOXY chicks?
>>154213554i have like nine commissioned pieces of the white one, including a 3D model for blender. spent a couple thousand on her
If they were literally anthros it would be furfag heaven.
>>154213617idk, a cute ninja fox girl or some friendly green teens from the sewers are a lot more appealing than a violent third worlder
>>154213473A third of the people would be turbo racist and would consider them abominations, a third would be indifferent, and a third would want to fuck them.
>>154213473>rampant speciesism would be the main result of humanoid nonhumans coming out of the sewersYou mean antisemitism, and it literally already happened in real life.
>>154213473it's funny how kooks are the ones who think everyone is just inherently racistpeople would fucking love mutants, as long as it's not something you fucking chose to do, and/or could be cured anytime but refuse it.
>>154213788>people would love fucking mutantsFTFY
>>154213473Anyone who cant appreciate cooler weird creatures being real should unironically get the rope>>154213755I still cant believe that was real. It felt like a /b/ shitpost come to life
>>154213473If anthros did exist, the furfags would be the happiest people on Earth.I get the feeling, after a couple of decades when society accepts them, there'd be like a dedicated porn website with anthros.Pic very much related.What would the website be called?
>>154213985HUMAN'D
>>154213473Furries alone would ensure mutants would be granted human rights and citizenship within the first year. Fetishization would be a mixed bag, though, because you'd have a lot of people desperately trying to bag a mutant to be their lovers or rape slave or exotic pet. >the biggest issue would be logistics and user compatibility for a diverse range of species. Veterinary medicine already exists. Designing clothes to more comfortably fit a mutant body would just take an afternoon of tailoring. The logistics issue would be coordinating mutant supply and support organizations to track down and render aid onto a microscopic population of mutants that are used to living in sewers and not being found.As others have pointed out, the real problem would be cultural. I think the way the comics handled it was really dumb. Lot of people randomly decided to be super racist to mutants because... no stated reason. IDW tried to do a poorly planned racism/bigotry angle where redneck hick MAGA types in New York (lol wut) were attacking mutants for being mutants and evil criminal types were setting up mutant killing bloodsports arenas, because they decided a significant enough amount of people really just wish they could beat an elderly man who looks like a toucan to death for... also completely unstated reasons.But I think every variety of religious fanatic would come up with an excuse to hate mutants. Afront to god. Unclean animals. Believing that mutants can't have souls because some denominations believe that only humans were endowed with souls. Not to mention that if they aren't recognized as being endowed with basic human rights, that means that they are allowed to be mistreated and enslaved, and so on.
>>154214066comic book writers understand that racism is a reoccurring problem with humanity yet they fail to understand the reason why anyone would be racist in the first place.i don't know if chimping out on a societal level is a direct result of widespread discrimination and no socioeconomic opportunities, or if it's a "chicken and egg" kind of situation where they chimp out first, and then no one wants to hire or house them.ultimately, whether or not mutants would thrive in society would depend entirely on whether or not they can establish themselves as morally upright civilized people in the first 5 years.
I'm willing to give the muties rights if we take them from every other minority.
>>154214066I think Doubutsu Ningen has a better and simpler explanation. Whether it's humans or beasts. In the eyes of these powerful elites at the top of the pyramid, the lower classes are all animals to be dominated or slaughtered.
>>154214201The problem is most of mutants in IDW TMNT are "human to animal".
>>154213473People like Vance would exterminate them under the pretense of being demons.>>154214201My hot take is that racism isn't nuanced, it is as simple as people needing a scapegoat for their own problems. Their excuses for it sound legitimate, until you realize that they hold a double standard with their main demographic to an absurd degree. You'll see repub politicians hating immigrants for committing crime while exonerating, promoting, and protecting conservative pedo felons who steal, kill, and rape more than them.
>>154214510>My hot take is that racism isn't nuanced, it is as simple as people needing a scapegoat for their own problems.Damn bro, that's so original.
>>154214510>My hot take is that racism isn't nuancedIts not, its quite simple.Its literally just the ability to recognize patterns in behavior.
>>154213956that, too>>154213959that's the media for youi will never understand why people think it's for the things it's blatantly against
>>154213985The real question, which anthro would be the most popular with human men?I'd rank them like this:>cat anthrosWould easily be the most popular and pleasing for most.>fox anthrosSimilar to cat. Above canines for sure, they'd be rivals with the catfags.>dogs, wolves, canines, etcWould be less popular than foxes and cats.>other non reptillianMonke anthros and whatever else isn't scaly is a lot less popular.>scaly anthrosWould be the least popular, but have a super dedicated fanbase.Thanks for reading my autistic furfaggotism. Writing lore for HMOFA is fun.
>>154214201If we were dealing only with animals who had been granted humanoid physiology and intelligence, that might still be a tricky matter. Extensive testing would eventually be forced to concede that they are at least as sapient/sentient as a normal human, but whether that entitles them to full human rights would be a thing science and politics would drag their feet on. Like >>154214261 said though, most of the mutants that exist, by a huge margin, used to be humans. This drastically reduces the level of complication because now you've got people that already have certain rights that cannot be removed from them because they were afflicted with something. And that also cuts off the racism allegory at the knees, because all kinds of people were mutated and all of them are victims, not the cause of the problems.
>>154214624>I'm recoooognizing!Fuck off, retard
>>154215336>Your brain is recognizing false patterns again, chud
>>154214510racism is just tribalism: people form social groups that protect others like them. it doesn't have to be about skin color or gender, it could be based on what franchises you like or your horoscope or some shit.if you were to transport the average /pol/tard to a star trek style utopia where we had honestly moved past race and gender as social issues, and no one was chimping out about whites/blacks online or hiring people selectively based on race, i'm confident that most hardline racists would just mellow out once they realized that the other groups aren't out to get them anymore.problem is that no one can afford to let their guard down when no one else will first. i really felt like we were close to true colorblindness by the 1990s. i think racism is a big thing nowadays because it's taboo to be racist, and the institutions are anti-racist, so being racist is being anti-institution. remove this incentive and it becomes less of an issue.
>>154215357>There's no such thing as pareidolia, libtard! >The people in the walls are real and they're watching us!See, I can do it too
>>154213755need this but with kitty pride phasing out of the gate
>>154215631(our girl) dropped the n word twice, canonically.
>>154215215I think one of the reason that make Mirage Turtles killing behavior is justified is because they're animals, even if mutagen given them more intelligence and "humanity," they still cannot fully empathy with humans.
Massive outbreak of new STDs
>>154213473the main concern would be if they're dangerous health wise since they're radioactive mutants, if not then it'd just be another environmentalism debate
Old Hob should continue to hate most humans, including human mutants, and only care about animal mutants.
>>154214201>>154215215It's always become humans are bad. Not to mention their continued attempts to ignore the destruction and killings committed by IDW Bebop and Rocksteady in the story.
>>154215746Bullshit, it's because they're ninjas, and vengeance is a huge part of the Japanese idea of honor. See the 47 Ronin. Whitewashing that was a necessary part of turning it into a family-friendly franchise, like pretending that pirates didn't steal shit.
>>154214510People like Vance would get told to stop by their handlers, people like Thiel and Musk. Who see the ability to take cheap animals and force-grow slaves that innate lack the human part of human rights or laws.
>>154213473Social media does not represent how the average normie feels, they wouldn't jump to outright race riots but it would be cold shoulders at best. The average normie fucking hates furries and antho stuff and would rather they don't see it in public. >>154215212>No arthropods or sharksThat does make me wonder how different that kind of dating scene would be with such a huge aesthetic difference in-between each mutant would be, there would definitely be incels who are made that human men just don't give them a chance
>>154214510Vances deserves to be curbstomped for his prejudiced regressive viewpoints on aliens like the hillybilly hick scum he is
>>154214510>>154216450>Aliens are demonsPretty based NGLif he said that mutants are still human and deserve human rights then it would be perfect
>>154216473Kill yourself, christcuck shit eater. Aliens are cool and your fear mognering "everything i dont like is durr evil and demonic" means you should be gunned down like the throwback near sighted small minded mongrel redneck subhuman you are. God i wish everyone who thinks this way was butchered and discarded.
This scene is just stupid. If Stockman were smart, he could easily build a safe and better shelter specifically for victims with "special" identities—such as the rich people or foreigners. This is also a good opportunity for him to enhance his political reputation and also avoid other countries condemning the NYC mayor imprisoning their citizens and causing preventing diplomatic problems. He could also use the media to continue inciting hatred among victims towards Old Hob and his Mighty Mutanimals.
>>154216494..yeah I'm sure the little green man living under your crawl space who's giggling and kicking his feet really appreciates you sticking up for himI'm going to exterminate all aliens with my mutant wife you reddit bitch lol
>>154216586Im gonna rape your mutant wife as she stares at your head on a stick you faggot
bump
>>154214201The more pressing issue is that mutants are far stronger than humans, so how the fuck are humans able to even oppress mutants in the first placeLiterally 5 seconds of thinking it through ruins the narrative logicallyRemember Deus ex: mankind divided which tried to argue that people would discriminate against those with bioaugmentations and made no attempt to think through how or why that would work
>>154215746That's literally never even implied or suggested to be the case. Most animal mutants throughout TMNT are shown to be violent because they had shitty lives before beingmutated and didn't want to be forced to deal with human bullshit after they were made into living weapons.
>>154216449>The average normie fucking hates furries The average normie doesn't understand a single thing about "the furry community" and is happier for it.>and antho stuff and would rather they don't see it in public.Talking animal movies and anthro movies are typically extremely popular with the normie crowd. You think movies like Zootopia and Sing made billions off of furries and not the average normie family?
>>154217865> Talking animal movies and anthro movies are typically extremely popular with the normie crowd.Makes me wonder how things would go for a mutant that becomes some sort of celebrity sensation in a world where they were an emerging population. Imagine if a mutant managed to command the same sort of social capital as a Swift or a Jackson? Imagine the absolute flood of them trying to be “influencers” online. Yeesh
>>154213473It was aliens rather than plain inhumans but District 9 is about the most realistic scenario.They end up forming their own ghetto because among other reasons everything we have is built for humans, as are services and laws. Some people put an effort to integrate them, some religious nuts think theyre devils or parts can be used for trinkets, some freaks fuck them and are seen as degenerates for it. For most people, nothing much changes or they dont care too deeply.Of course, you one also has to try thinking from their point of view since conflicts and racism arent always purely one sided.
>>154218225>District 9Most Prawns aren't intelligent enough to argue back, most mutants are still peopleI think it be split off who's the more pretty/stable mutant in terms of who gets shit on and not , I'm sure the wolf/fox anthro gets to eat at the nice upscale restaurant but the fly mutant would be denied service at a dive bar
>>154215336Its not recognizing. Its already recognized, and has been for many years.
>>154214066I actually like Mutant Mayhem for having a more nuanced view of it.
>>154213473They would try to enslave them at first, then try to eradicate them when they fought back. It would only end when there was enough footage of minority humans dying alongside the anthros, THIS TIME correctly siding with an underclass being actually oppressed and simply fighting for equality, unlike trannies and illegal aliens. The anthros will be given the societal underclass treatment, possibly a version of segregation, lynched and assaulted in the street on social media, and called things like "animals" and "fur-niggers". They would have to be really leery of the white male humans that seem friendly, due to not knowing whether or not those people just see them as sexual objects, as many of them view asian human women.
>>154214066>Designing clothes to more comfortably fit a mutant body would just take an afternoon of tailoring.The fashion industry would ABSOLUTELY ADORE mutants if they were real. It would give them a canvas of near infinite size.
>>154218205I could see mutants starting social media accounts just to garner donations, but that sort of thing makes normal people fucking insane. I fear what that sort of thing would do to a barely formed humanoid mind that used to be an animal.
>>154218452With these things actions of the few tend to reflect on the whole. For example if a tourist dumps garbage on a trip to japan the thought of onlooking japanese probably wont be>that individual is a dirty disrespectful personBut>gaijin are so dirty and disrespectfulLikewise with prawns because a bunch of them are dumbasses the smart ones arent doing much better in terms of social standards as consequence, in human eyes.And likely so would mutants that are unstable make the "good ones" have an inherently harder time.Tho, I do think youre right. Look bias would play a hard role. People like pretty/cute creatures and such, but even to furfags the thought of the ugly ones doesnt register as worth considering.Dont imagine it would stop some people giving odd looks or being afraid but would help.
>>154213473It depends on the circumstances. If its just a small population of accidental mutations, and lab experiments no one would really give a shit and they would be a cool novelty at most. But if there's some retard running around setting off mutagen bombs then suddenly it's everyone's problem and you're in the middle of a national crisis (Hobb and his pals should have either been dead or in ADX Florence within a week of his stunt and all his victims would have been moved to care facilities, instead of the mess we got).
>>154220343There is literally only one smart prawn left on earth (and his kid), and he's explicitly in hiding for obvious reasons. All the others are worker drones.
>>154220343Most of the prawns were retarded because they are a quasi-hivemind, and when the command/ruling caste died during the space troubles, that left the majority of their population feral and aimless. It's not just that there's a few "bad ones" or whatever. They're a species that cannot integrate with humanity because they largely cannot function as individuals
>>154213473>(((true enemy)))They were the ones who created them and are their agents of evil.
>>154213473Depends, if their mutations are stable, they aren't going around and clawing folk apart or eating people, I can see folk accepting them rather easily as they are still people, and we all know folk love to rally behind to support a minority to feel good with themselves or generally believe they deserve to be treated fairly as they were before turning into a mutantBut if they look like twisted horrors that have lost sentience and are now driven by a more savage mindset, then yeah, people will be very against them to the point of hunting them down
>>154220833Yeah, that makes sense. If it's a few mutants, then it's something kept hush hush and most people won't notice. A few hundred normal people mutated would be a containable incident. Thousands, though? Tens of thousands? More? Across multiple cities? The racism angle goes away and you now have far bigger problems.
>>154222939Campbell did want to write a "Escape from New York" arc and planned to kill Old Hob, but Tom Waltz stop him because it would interfere with his next major event.And it's pretty obvious that Tom Waltz had no plan or blueprint. The comic meanders aimlessly after City Fall. It's a fucking mess. Tom is lucky that he was able to latch onto Kevin and Pete's ideas for The Last Ronin, because it's the only thing that will spare his legacy.While Tom was riding the easy gravy train with Last Ronin, Sophie was stuck writing a comic with absolutely no direction and way too many characters. I don't like Sophie's writing at all, but I can kind of understand why she just said "fuck it" and did her own thing.
>>154213473It depends how they first appear, and where they first appear.If there was just one to four emerging from the sewers one day and stumble out mumbling beastly growls, they would either be quickly scooped up by authorities for research with most people calling them AI, or be shot for trophies before the world even knew they existed.If 100 of them appear in a town speaking perfect English and are proven to be clearly civilised, you’ll see a bit more of a tentative acceptance with some wanting to talk to them and learn more peacefully, whilst others would be too scared about these abominations that they would want them shipping off to another country or killed. And it would only take one heavily racially provoked mauling for riots to start.Still, the rise of mutant beast men would be a better timeline than a Superman appearing. I would see that only ending in nuclear fallout.
