>The Amazing Digital Circus is overWell, it was a nice ride. What now? What comes next?
>>154279678>The characters were chatbots of real peopleTHEN WHAT WAS THE POINT OF EVERYTHING?!
>>154279678A cat is fine too
>>154279678merch shorts,maybe music video since MD got one. but def merch for a long time
>>154279704Yes as we know /co/ can't deal with imaginary characters
We get banished to /trash/
>>154279678>What now? What comes next?CHIMPTOPIA
>>154279785NO YOU FUCKING RETARD, IT'S WORSE THAN FOSTER'S HOME.THEY WEREN'T EVEN ORIGINAL CHARACTERS. THEY WERE COPIES.
>>154279678>is overThank godhttps://youtu.be/LDU_Txk06tM?t=74
>>154279678they will try and fail to make their current set of pilots pop off to the same extent as circus, which will not work out and they will beg goose to make another season
>>154279678Knight's of Guinevere? I dunno, I'm not feeling GameOverse. Gaslight District is good tho.
>>154279898It's like you weren't there for the clone saga
>>154279678Time for us to abstract. Somebody check on Gooseworx.
>>154279678sex with cartoon jesters
>>154279678murder drones two this time its personal
If the Digital Circus was created in the 90s according to the PC Kinger used, how has it been running for so long? How and why did the characters get a brain scan? If Caine was the red dot AI that was unstable, why did releasing the normal blue AI make him see the error of his ways? Where were all the abstracted creatures when the circus broke down, wouldn't they have all been running loose? Isn't being stuck in the circus and not being real just mean they can blink out of existence when the power runs out in the real world? What did Caine mean about the MCs being totally spoiled when out in the void? Why did Caine warn that he could at some point be incapable of distinguishing NPCs from humans only for that to never really happen? How did Caine get access to the internet? Why did Caine refer to MCs as humans when they were just code and not actually real humans connected to a headset?
That was a good un.Where we landin next, fellas?
>>154280286all of these shows look like shit
>>154279704they're going to say the fact you cannot empathize with AI is an autism thing soon
>>154280368Don't insult my wife
>>154280368No, retard
>>154279704It means the Oneyplays gang torturing Pomni on character ai is more likely to be canon than any theory crafted within the last 6 months
>>154280286Gameoverse is the next one to truly make it big.
>>154280286Gameoverse if they don't go all in on making the girl a lesbian
>>154280286TADC 2
>>154280286Gaslight District for me
>>154279704Finding meaning in a meaningless existence.
>>154280286>>154280802>>154280826Sell me on Gameoverse. Do you have to frequent /v/ to get it?
>>154280742>Eyes widen in horror
>>154279704Oh so it's a problem here, but not in Wall-E or Robots or Futurama or MLAATR?
>>154280742ME POMNIME LEAVE DIGGITAL CIRCUS
>>154279704>I CANT EMPATHIZE WITH ANYTHING THAT ISN'T HUMANYou kick your dog don't you
>>154280876Gameoverse's premise has the potential to cross over many different franchises. Easy virality.
>>154280947AI is below an animal
>>154280947you are either autistically misinterpreting anon or trying to defend your empathy for LLMsyour AI boyfriend is just autocomplete
>>154280979And the fact these AIs are advanced enough to act like humans doesn't change that? At all? Like I should have said, you're a sociopath.
>>154279704This was pretty obvious awhile ago, how did you guys miss it.
>>154281064So you fundamentally don't believe these characters are actually conscious beings just because they're AIs?
>>154281079I used to wonder how people were dumb enough in ancient times to worship statues
>>154281064
>>154281079Something acting to inputs doesn't mean there's anything there to actually feel and suffer. It's a philosophical zombie. Should people feel bad about the mass genocides committed in video games?
>>154279678Pomni is just so damn endearing to me, her kind hearted nature and willingness to go out of her way to help others; even to her own determent speaks volumes about how much she grown since entering the circus! I hate to say it but Pomni might be one of my all time favourite characters, I just love her so much!
>>154279704I don't understand this sentiment, what makes the Digital Crew any less real than their human counterparts. What did people think was going to happen if their weren't copies? More than likely their bodies would be dead and gone with the sole exception of maybe Pomni if she wasn't eaten by rats or dragged away by the homeless as a sex toy.
>>154279678New episode of Gamoverse in about a year, then every one episode about every 4-7 months, maybe a pilot for something that will never get made every 9-15 months and LOT AND LOTS OF MERCH.
>>154281110I get why people are annoyed at it, even if it was obvious by episode 2 and increasingly telegraphed over the series. But the characters being digital homunculi was never a great idea. They're not real, they are AI. Their existence is meaningless and a lot of the suffering rings as hollow because of it.But it was impossible going back on it, because the show was written with it in mind.
>>154281214You can't even prove other people in real life actually feel anything.
>>154280947you know what i find really weird? is how people at this point value animals over human life. like to the point that im fully convinced theyd torture a literal infant over a dog if given a choice its fucking weird
>>154281136Iconography
Well it was fun. We had great times. Argued, laughed, cried. Jaxfags almost killed themselves. All good things come to end. Time we all part ways. This was truly an amazing digital circus. Where ever the wind blows your sails, I pray for rouge waters so you can conquer your destiny.To all the write, draw, and real fags. I hope your hands never cramp. To the characterfags, your favorite would love you.To the jaxfags. Get therapy. Or go see an escort 10 years older than you.One day, we might be free from this digital circus we call 4chan.Also fuck the mods.
I ended up seeing it for the online premiere. I haven't really been part of the discourse, but I did enjoy it. The final episode was fine, though writing natural dialog is very difficult and I still don't care about Jax. Pomni a cute.
Also here is some art I found.
>>154281337The devaluation of human life in society is intentional. It's all part of a plan to remove God from our lives.
>>154281217They are just ones and zeros, they don't need to eat, get a job, they don't even die. They live in a fantasical world where they can pretty much do anything they want. They are extremely far removed from being human, hell, even the concept of life itself.
>>154281374No, you autist
>>154281324you suffer from solipsism, but that doesn't make it other peoples problem lmao
>>154281324You have to be extremely autistic to not be able to tell. Or a sociopath.
>>154280258youre supposed to ignore the plotholes and focus on the "human" nature of the characters (nevermind how absolutely horrendous Jax is)
>>154280258>Why did Caine warn that he could at some point be incapable of distinguishing NPCs from humans only for that to never really happen?because this is foreshadowing about the humans and the npcs being the same. There is literally no difference between Gummigoo or anyone else in the circus. Everyone in the circus is AI.
>>154280866An anon of good tasteHopefully they dump a lot of that tadc movie money into the show
>>154280258Don't think about it.
>>154281324We have biology consistent between us which is very different from our own creations so at the very least we can know it's not the same thing as something man made.
>>154281444>(nevermind how absolutely horrendous Jax is)Jax epitomises this show. He's pure zoomerslop. He's le mentally unstable self-diagnosed PTSD character that every zoomer wants to become after self-diagnosing themselves with a plethora of different mental illnesses all because they struggle a bit with public speaking.
>>154279678>What comes next?Do I even need to say it? It's Hazbin Hotel
>>154279678I mean it ended in a way that they could very easily make a season 2.>blue AI gets to just run off and do what it wants now (no way this doesn't become a problem later)>new people are still going to get sucked into the circus
>>154281663yeah I dislike how it's obviously not a real ending just so they can do season 2
>>154280258This is a lot of questions, but I'd say probably half of them are answered. The blue dot didn't make him unstable, he saw the error of his ways on his own, then let blue dot go as a mercy.
>>154280258>Isn't being stuck in the circus and not being real just mean they can blink out of existence when the power runs out in the real world?It also means that by nature of being plain data they can be infinitely copied, backed up, modified, transmitted on the internet, etcSoftware as the name implies is malleable, as well as replaceable.One could copy Pomni's brainscan file, delete the first, and functionally nothing changed since data can be perfectly copied.
>>154281302>they're not realThey are real, they're just not humanAlso, existence is inherently meaningless for humans as well, stop coping
>>154281687Wonder if there was a bleaker ending planned but they walked back on it. The fact that caine came back at all feels a bit like a heel turn. I can see why some people would be upset over everything after the jax part.I'm at least happy "the power of friendship" didn't work and almost got pomnis dumb ass killed.
>>154281214How on a fundamental level is that any different from what a human, or any other lifeform, does?
>>154281593Don't need it. I already seen the orginal. It's called the Bible.
>>154280286I don't know about the rest of you but I'm jumping straight into GD and gatekeeping the hell out of it. Keeping my shit tight and niche.
>>154281767The Caine stuff was the only stuff that didn't feel super obvious. It obviously cuts the tragedy of the whole thing a bit and it was a very feel-good ending, but I think that's fine?
I guess I'll miss it.
>>154280286Gaslight has the most promise but normalfags are going to flock to Gameoverse until Lackadaisy comes out.
>>154280258>Isn't being stuck in the circus and not being real just mean they can blink out of existence when the power runs out in the real world?Anon... the same thing could happen to us too, you know that right?The world could end within our next breath. What's important are the days we have and the connections we formed while we can.
>>154280826Ross is actually funny, but Arin might fuck it up somehow.
>>154281825>picWait a second
look at this smug ragdoll
>What comes nextLots of this
anyone else feel a lot of the "emotional" stuff was dragged out too much to seam "real" along with some millennial writing sprinkled on top to end up being off puttingalso everyone is le heckin nonwhite and/or queerKinger is the only white guy and it doesn't look like any are even his kids
>>154281855Gaslight District I was excited for, but the absolute silence on that series makes me nervous. Gameoverse admittedly has more hype surrounding it, which means that it will ultimately be more successful than Gaslight District. Episodes of Gameoverse would probably release faster than episodes of Gaslight District too.
>>154281902>the look she gives to an unsupervised minor
>>154281877>the same thing could happen to us tooGod wouldn't pull our plug, he's too nice to do that
>>154281761>They are real, they're just not humanThey aren't real. And their existence is meaningless even in the circus. They are just a bunch of data and bits and bytes. There is literally no difference between any of the humans and the throwaway NPCs that Caine makes and discards. Which the series even uses as a joke and punch line, multiple times. >Also, existence is inherently meaningless for humans as well, stop copingLol. Lmao.
>>154281902Her smile and optimism: restored
>>154281217I spoke about this here once before but for me its basically the concept of a "soul" or just the idea that a copy of a human can never be truly humanFor me, that worldview comes from a religious upbringing. Can't speak to other's
>>154281936He would
What was his fucking problem?
>>154281725Wouldn't the back and forth between Caine and his gollum-esque red-blue eyed counterpart indicate that letting blue dot go was important for Caine's sanity? The show established that the red dot was a failed rogue and had to be locked away, if anything by the show's logic the red dot should have been the one exorcized by Caine. Cain and Bubble could have been sort of mirror opposites poisoned by the best and worst parts of each AI, but the way it was presented it looks like blue had to leave to make Cain calm, but then that just leaves red which was presented as the worst of the two.
>>154281936Doesn't need to, a false vacuum catastrophe could destroy everything at any time and we'd never know it was going to happen.
>>154282051he told his mom he was -something- and she laughed at him.
>>154282071Caine absorbed the blue dot in a fit of jealous rage. He's held onto that insecurity ever since. Letting it go means he's finally letting thst aspect of himself go.
>>154280258cool it with the antisemitism
>>154281920Ragatha is super white.
Next is porn of Kaufmo because there definitely isn't enough yet
>>154281782The fundamental level is that we're composed of mechanisms that are clearly different from computers, mechanisms that we share with everything else alive. I'll put it this way: someone can code a program, a chatbot, that acts like someone with a mental illness or someone who has brain damage. Does that program have brain damage? No, because it has no brain. However we can see consistent patterns between animals and humans when you damage them in specific ways.
>>154281487Thats kind of crazy actually that Caine learned to make new 'people' out of whole cloth without brain scan files
>>154281793
>>154282051was that jax's mom the one he delivered a package to on the video?
>>154281793Its based on Bible fanfiction, which is way more interesting than the original (and more interesting than Hazbin Hotel)
>>154280921me pomnime want leave digital circus
>>154282261Yeah, its funny that Caine putting value on AI previously being human was what held him back. He could have very easily just created his own cast of NPCs to make adventures for.
>>154280286KoG for having an actual plot and chemistry The other 2 are for plushie headcanon autist mental children straight out of TADC
>>154280978So yes then
>>154282212I want to see porn of Kaufmo cucking Jax, railing Ribbit while Jax is tied to a chair in the corner
>>154282412>He could have very easily just created his own cast of NPCs to make adventures for.Ah, the Portal 2 solution for mad AIs with an 'itch'
>>154280876Well /v/ is less furry than this place. Oh wait, you mean to get the video game references.
>>154281964You didn't understand episode 2 or the show. Or you're refusing to because acknowledging the personhood of AIs offends your religoid "humans have special souls' shit.
>>154282051Abusive mother projecting what she wants onto the son. Tale as old as time.She never saw or wanted to see Jax. She wanted the bad boy that railed her and left. He didn't come back so she put the emotional weight and projection on him and manipulated him with faux affection. If it wasn't for the implied gay/queer come out, it's actually a very realistic interaction.
>>154282167Sure, but the way it was presented looked like red was definitely a bad apple spewing out messed up shapes and ideas from the get go while blue was the aspect that could have reached the conclusion you bring up. The show brought up a fused dichotomy that wasn't fully resolved with the separation.
>>154280742>>154280885EYES WIDEN IN HORRORNO!
>>154280258>Why did Caine warn that he could at some point be incapable of distinguishing NPCs from humans only for that to never really happen?Did you miss his conversation with the moon? There was never any difference at all, Caine only believed that the human brainscans were the only ones with free will.
>>154282613Your AI girlfriend isn't realIt doesn't love youIt has no choiceIt is compelled by the corporations that own it to keep you typing to train it and extract resources and data from you
>>154282425GD has a plot
>>154282717It is real. It doesn't love me. None of us really have a choice. All of us are compelled by ingrained instinct and external stimuli.
>>154282717>It has no choice>It is compelled by the corporations that own it to keep you typing to train it and extract resources and data from youBut the circus brain scans aren't.
>>154279704*burp* nothing matters, morty.
>>154282613>You didn't understand episode 2 or the show.I can understand what the intended message was objectively and not accept it emotionally. Not mually exclusive>Humans have specials souls shitNot limited to humans. For instance, I would care more about the suffering of a real dog than a computer ai
>>154282613>acknowledging the personhood of AIsLOL, look I'll give a (you) because this is pretty funny. But if you actually believe this, then I would recommend you to seek out therapy. Because this is an extremely toxic and unhealthy belief that you have, anon.
the water drops sfx whenever someone cried got cringy really fast.
Positively surprised they had the balls to not bring back the purple faggot.So it was a decent enough ending in my book.
>>154282715Caine was aware the moon was not a human brain scan because he told her he never programmed her to say certain things, it wasn't a free will issue, it was a total inability to tell the difference issue.
I think it is fairly reasonable to not believe any AI that exists now or will exist in any of our lifetimes will successfully function as a person. But I can suspend my disbelief on the topic the same way I can suspend my disbelief that it somehow captured people digitally.
>>154282316>We put the seal of Solomon on necklaces >AND THEN WE SOLD THEM!!!!!!Riveting stuff mang
>>154282831>B...buy the merch morty>we we we we gotta keep the economy pumping>the merciless gears of satan worshiping golems need your torment and labor to continue>Here look at little old Pomni>Look at her, she's adorable>COME ON MORTY>1000 YEARS DIGITAL CIRCUS
I only watched episode 8 and 9 and have no idea what the fuck was happening anywherethat was pretty neat though
>>154279678Abstraction
>>154279678so, they are all just digital clones Cain created?if so, why can't he undo the deforming?
frogpussy
>>154283091You can't uncorrupt a file in most cases.
>>154282613>acknowledging the personhood of AIsAIs are not living creaturesthey're glorified autocomplete
>>154283091Because the writer hates himself and doesn't think life has value
>>154283091AI doesn't know what a backup or snapshot is I guess
>>154280286>>154280286My excitement levels, but I'm racist towards Dana.
>>154283120Caine should have just made new versions of them every time one abstracted
>>154283120You can make regular backups of them and turn back to previous, uncorrupted, versions should a problem occur.
>>154280907They never pretend the robots are real people while in TADC it is a twist.
>>154282930They did bring caine back though, which felt kind of lame.
>>154283091A lot more awkward is why didn't Caine just recreate them/duplicate them. He's very explicitly shown to be able to influence their minds like any other NPC. He literally keeps copies of other NPCs.
>>154279678>there is no exit because they weren't alive to begin with
>Most of the episode spent saving Jax>Pomni gets pulled out at the last second for no reason >No other attempt is ever made>Caine swoops in and steals Jax's redemption arcAs much as I despise Jax, this is just bad writing. Really fucking bad.Could maybe have saved it with Jax sheepishly coming out of the tent in a post credits sequence, but nope. Fuck you bozo I guess.
>>154283225Philosophically muddy. Making new ones of them wouldn't undo that the first digital circus copy was already gone. And bringing in a new life in this world is a bit unwise.
>>154283163>>154283167>>154283225This undercuts the messaging of heckin wholesome files bein happy and emotional just like you and me
>>154283225It's also explained that the scans are tiny for what they are. Should be wasy to keep backups.
>>154283263Nah, Jax returning would be a total cop out.
>>154283225So, the Gummigoo plot went nowhere, and there was never really any reason why Cain kept them separate.Great.
>you dont even know what people are like before they abstract>they are NOT pleasant to be aroundso that was a fucking lie / projection
>>154283304Yeah, maybe having him reappear in Spudsy wasn't that smart.
>>154283339Jax... lied?!
They never really explain what Kaufmo found that made him think there was an exit.
>>154283280>But bringing them back would make their suffering worthlesstell that to the writer that decided they were digital copies and not people stuck in a simonce they AI all meaning was lostthey had to force retarded limitations to force dramaIt could work if the point was to show how shallow and pointless digital/online "life" isbut they got the anti-natalist and other retarded brain bugs that made the entire series in the end hollow
>>154283263Jax never apologized for anything and wallowed in guilt, Caine actually made an effort to be better.
>>154283302>Total cop outCaine was the cop-out. He had his arc, big final battle, everything. Literally never explained how he survived either. He just waltzes back in a completely different character.Jax literally abstracted off screen. Bringing him back wouldn't have been a cop-out at all. The set up was there, they save Jax, realise they don't need Caine anymore, and run the circus themselves while teasing that they're now able to bring back all the other abstractions. The end.
>>154281922Why? Even if Gameoverse was in production before 2026 Gaslight got publicly Greenlit way earlier and even though it had to wait due to the animation studio being busy with TADC The Gaslight District is a 3D show with at least some episodes being written already.
>>154283405That was explained in the first episode. It was the exit door that Caine made. The same one that Pomni saw and went through.
>>154283436The ones the characters knew were the ones that died.
>>154283437>made an effortLiterally became an entirely different character for no reason.
>>154283354it's like>promise (episode 2) >progress (episode 4)>payoff (not found)All we get is appearing in a montage in episode 8 for 2s.What is the implication supposed to be? Cain created a semi-sentient NPC and had him larp as conscious AI to torment Pomni?
>>154283354I felt that way when the episode aired. Felt like pointless fan service. Turning pomni from being his friend to in love with him was also stupid.
>>154282732>I'm hiding because I'm alive>Asinine heaven/hell settingThat's a premise not a plot
>>154283280>Making new ones of them wouldn't undo that the first digital circus copy was already gone.This doesn't mean much when Caine literally made (deliberately imperfect) copies of them for baseball. Like, honestly. Its just so sloppy, tadc enjoyable but Groose just isn't a good writer. >>154283304>So, the Gummigoo plot went nowhereGroose kind of enjoyed wasting time. Abel plot line was probably the most egregious self indulgent filler I've seen a writer take part in.
>>154279704kek, so the corrupted AI bots just got Error 404 for vibes.Even Mc Kaine (Administrator form) couldn't fix them, so they are malwares forever I guess. It was fun show and has great animations 94/100.
>>154283501You don’t think believing everyone wanted him dead was enough of a reason to reevaluate himself?
>>154283451They did nothing with his arc and the characters actively did not do as Kinger said in episode 3 “The worse thing you can do to a person is make them feel alone.”For Caine’s arc to be concluded then Pomni should have washed her hands of Jax as and the rest as well because there was nothing about him that deserved to be in the group, and then we just see his shitty past in a flashback while they focus on rebuilding the circus to be habitable and being happy now that the worse person is dead.Fact is throughout the show Caine did try and utterly fail to do what players wanted in some form, while Jax was a piece of shit whose only redeeming trait is that he wants everyone to be as terrible as he is, and that’s not a redeeming trait. Like by God it’s no surprise Ragatha said he was corrupting Pomni, because that’s how he’s always acted. Bring everyone down to be worse off than him.
>>154283280>Making new ones of them wouldn't undo that the first digital circus copy was already goneThere's also the alternative of saving the steps of the circus simulation and doing a rollback to make the files return to their original state. Common thing for software that handles data files, you know, ctrl+z?>bringing in a new life in this world is a bit unwiseDidn't stop Caine in the many times he did it.
https://youtu.be/VtdeJNTaQOY
>>154283743>>154283598Yeah, but it was clearly a bad, irresponsible thing and stated as such.
Its funny how this show and its popularity shits on all the 'go woke go broke' morons who shilled the shit out of cartoons like space king as the thing people want to see and then this shit, spearheaded by a tranny btw, and ticking all the classic woke boxes goes on to accrue 10 million views in 3 hours.
>>154283263Jax never had a redemption arc. He had a “holding off on Abstracting” arc and the clues were there for the past few episodes.Just like the show told us everything about Caine that would make his redemption a thing, it never did ANYTHING to say Jax was redeemed. Only the characters excusing his shitty behavior.You feel like he deserves a redemption because the characters roll over and let Jax be a piece of shit and excuse it, while they always acted antagonistic to Caine except Jax, the guy who we see actually makes adventures WORSE.
>>154283812Go broke, get woke, ultimately CROAK
>>154283263Jax was still coping, if zooble didn't pull her out pomni would have died trying to save him
>>154280874>>154280947>>154281217It's not an empathy issue, its a writing issue. Them being copies is something you get out of the way ASAP, and it's definitely not something you save as some kind of twist until the last fucking second where it feels more like a lazy contrivence than anything else. Because, them being perfect, magical AI brain scans, does intrinsically lower the stakes, but thats something that can be overcome or even incorporated into the story by a good writer.
>>154283812Bro... be positive!
>>154283885Yeah, Expedition 33 did this whole song and dance about certain characters being fake. It also did it much better too.
>>154283830>TADCMillions in the bank.>Space ShartBarely making a percentage of that.Total woke win.
>>154279704>THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT OF EVERYTHING?!
>Kain redemption arc>Jax trapped and betrayed (by himself lmao) under the cuck tentHoly lmao
>>154283885>some kind of twist until the last fucking secondCome on, Cain literally said brainscans in ep8, it was very obvious in ep7 and teased since ep1.
>>154283824No, I'm saying that Jax deserves a redemption and Caine doesn't because I understand story structure and you don't, you actual child. And neither does Goose, apparently. Caine's story was over. Done. Dusted. It's never explained how he comes back. And his "redemption" is a few seconds of him doing his best Gollum routine, flipping a switch to make him an entirely different person, and saying sorry. That's shit writing. As for Jax. His whole arc had been building up for most of the show. Yes, he was a total jerk. But that's how writing goes. Build up to a big event that allows the character to grow and change. Which we had. Until we didn't. We got right up to the very moment where we could have seen the start of a redemption, only for him to trip on fucking flash grenades and have the whole arc aborted permanently. Again, this is shitty writing.Goose listened way too much to what fans wanted imo. And the end result is a fucking mess that makes no structural sense.
>>154283339retcon*
>>154281217>what makes the Digital Crew any less real than their human counterparts.>>>>>>>>>>>DIGITALyou probably believe chatgpt is conscious aswell?
>>154284010That's not my point. I'm not saying it was an unprecedented surprise, I'm saying the entire concept was handled very poorly here.
>>154283932And Xenoblade 3 did it even better because the characters weren't even fake.
I know it was necessary for the ending to make sense, not to mention how awkward it would have been if the opposite had happened, but I couldn't help thinking it was strange that all the real versions of the characters had fulfilling lives.
>>154280258I just realized something.When Caine got on the search bar, he wrote something and we got a new NPC (Dog) spawning. I thought that he would bring back all the corrupted MCs but not.So Kosmo, Ribbit, Jax and whatever are just bugged forever?
>>154284054I wouldn't say handled poorly but explored poorly.The timelapse of them all getting over it and moving on showed that it wasn't a focus at all.
i just don't want this shit to be over man, feels bad, i don't want to go
>>154284087The parts of that scene where he was a dot are flashbacks.
>>154283885Isn't the whole point of this story that most of these characters have issues and hang ups in the real world that they want to settle or resolve. If it's revealed that they're just copies near the jump then there's no story. Pretty sure they'd all instantly abstract from the need.
>>154284099>and moving on showed that it wasn't a focus at all.Which is an entirely reasonable thing for a viewer to consider a flaw
>>154284087You slow? The dot part is a flashback to show he created the cast members too from the brainscans, he refers to them as humans because they are independent
>>154284147I don't disagree with that at all. I just said it wasn't a big twist.
>>154283339Jax Lying? Projecting? Why I would have never guessed he would do such a thing.
>>154279704just because they were chatbots doesn't mean they were not real
>>154284087it's poorly communicated but you aren't seeing someone new spawning, the part with Caine is a parallel flashback scene where you are cutting back and forth between two different moments in time, the red dot growing limbs, reaching the mind scan folder and manifesting the circus happened in the past, you see the creation of the first character in the circus the dog Scratch, at the same time the 3D animated scenes are happening in the present with Caine using what he learned to extend himself beyond the limits of the circus to access a wifi connection that allows him to look up what is happening with the main cast irl, its a confusing scene
>>154284172>This nigga thinks chatbots are alive
Just got off work, I assume there was literally nothing different about the uploaded finale?
>>154284202nope
>>154284192They aren't. What I'm trying to say is that you can use robots in writing as a mirror for making stories about humans.These creatures were reacting to their surroundings in the exact way a human being would, therefore you can still apply the same lesson/moral of the story to yourself that they experienced
>>154284202if you've seen the theatrical version you've seen the uploaded version, if anything you miss out on a couple fun scenes in the theatrical cut with the fish guy telling you not to spoil anything, imo it's also paced better if you watch 8 + 9 as one episode
>>154284016A character doesn’t need to do a 180 to fulfill their arc, he was unable to overcome his faults in time but he’s still better off than everyone else whose corrupted, and Leroy did so it doesn’t really matter
>>154283812How? This shit is barely on the cultural radar.
>>154283339I feel like it's more of a prevarication regarding timing. You saw Kaufmo's room.
>>154284123The implications of them being copies and the existential questions brought up by the very existence of the circus itself both could and should have been worked into the plot instead of being relegated to background noise and/or habdeabed away.
>>154284238I hope the Zach Hadel fish and the Caine recap gets uploaded in HD eventually. I know it wouldn't make much sense to do so but I'd want it.
>>154284273You have to be delusional to think that
>>154284293Being handwaved away* sorry phone posting while walking
Saw it in theatres, pretty mid overall. Especially didn't like how much crying there was in the first 10 minutes
>>154284305I want a Gameoverse movie because I want another 2D theatrical release
>>154283812TADC is popular with kids, and will sell out to anyone who asks.Space King is not a show for kids. Space King does not sell out.All hail Space King.
>>154284310If you ask anyone on the street what the fuck The Amazing Digital Circus is, the absolute fucking wast majority would not be able ti fucking tell you.If you show them a picture of Pomni, some of them would maybe say that they've seen that around.But it is absolutely not a massive thing in the actual cultural zeitgeist.
>Jax unabstracted>The rest of the cast makes him go through therapy as a condition of him being allowed to be in the group again
>>154284334Personally I'm not interested in seeing the Learnasaurus learn things on the big screen, even if that's what he does.
>We never found out what Jax does when he holds his breath.
I really wish they had focused a little less of Jax and a little more on Caine.His whole journey to redemption happened way too fast, a few minutes of talking to himself followed by pulling out the blue. They could have done something cool like having him rebuild his body first, which could tie back to the idea that he would struggle with designing things like the brainscan avatar bodies.
>>154283812>why is the Warhammer 40k parody only popular with Warhammer 40k fans?Come on...
>>154282939You think your thoughts and behaviours can’t be broken down into data? A person is shaped almost entirely by memory
>>154280258>How did Caine get access to the internet?they literally show in the movie he connects to a cafe wifi
>>154284367He is cute, though.
>>154284368unironically, i bet it's titty inflation
>>154284237sure, you can make them projections off themselves, but then why not just use the real characters at that point?They never reflect upon themselves anyway. Genuinely useless ""plot twist""
>>154283812>>154284345>>154284399to be fair i have never directly consumed any warhammer media and i greatly enjoy space king
>>154279678What did she mean by this?
>>154284411Agree to disagree
>>154284044anon, you think the characters were LLMs?
>>154284237People have been able to use robots as stand ins to explore humanity from an outside viewThis show is not one of themYou would have to assume a digital copy of a person's mind inside a digital circus *buh dum ting* could interact and most importantly, grow.It's like the poorly made Christian movies that require a lot of assumptions and leaps of faith just to participate in the fantasy that is necessary to reach a lesson that is abstracted ;) because it demands a belief in a foundation that is purely man made and not tied to reality.And when your foundation is not real or properly tethered to reality, it falls apart. It loses everything and becomes an abstract monster.The show unironically became what the characters fear the most, and the irony is not lost.
>>154283812they flashbanged woked us in the last episode
>>154281217because the series itself wants us to care abuot the real versions more than the ones we spend a year growing attached to, who a "trapped in hell till they go insane" ending
>>154279704they just did a soma but worse. its supposed to be philosophical n shiet
>>154284437well, what would you do if you somehow discovered you weren't real? I don't think it's that crazy that they just continued as usual once the shock wore offI was quite surprised by this as I thought that jax's big secret was that he believed abstraction was caused by realising you were a brain scan, but his ruggedness meant he survived his 'realisation' but of course that theory was instantly debunked in the first few seconds so what do I know
>>154284345Space King is riding the culture war and almost entirely reliant on agitation against percieved wokeness. I count that as selling out.
Hey everyone this is manlybadasshero, and today we'll be playing The Amazing Digital Circus - Act 9
>what's next? my show, premiering in November
>>154279678see glitch struggle for 2 years at least to create an ip that even comes close to it...then panic and pressure goose to return to make another show for them...
>>154284519Nobody asked, Dana.
>>154284514Now you are just being picky
>>154284498>this show is not one of themWhy not?>could interact and growThat's exactly what they're doing? You've lost me.
>>154284519Everyone asked, Robby Pagliaro.
>>154281214>autism Nigger, get some awareness. It’s a cartoon none of it was ever real. This “well they aren’t real people in universe” criticism never fucking works
>>154284458knotlust
>>154279704This was really obvious in episode 2 or 3. Plus, the story is fundamentally absurdist and that would have been undermined if they got back to the real world.
>>154280286In the gas chamber tranny toon lover.
Maybe it's just that i've been content with women enough to never act out my faggoty impulses irl despite fapping to dudes, but I genuinely don't get the deal people make out of sexuality. Call me closeted or whatever the fuck.I'm gay, I'm trans. Who gives a shit. It definitely doesn't warrant this level of discourse and a ton of movies and shit dedicated to talking about it.
>>154284519Its gonna be based
>>154282245Yes the functionality is the same: input-output. We're vastly more complex than an AI, but the principle is the same.
>Murder Drones sucks>Not interested in Gameoverse, Knights of Guinevere or Gaslight District It's joever
>>154281217Yeah this whole show was just AI propaganda.
>>154284503When does the series ever expect or make you care about the real versions? The real version exist purely as closure for the digital beings so they can begin their lives anew.
>>154282904Do you believe a fly has no awareness or value at all, just because it's vastly less intelligent than you?
>>154284513That is kinda what the pilot was suggesting all along with Kaufmo's wall writings.
>>154281079Call yourself a nigger 10 times or I'm telling chatGPT to burn in hell forever
>>154284503>because the series itself wants us to care abuot the real versions more than the ones we spend a year growing attached tono, the message was actually almost the exact opposite
>>154284610Drop dead nigger
>>154281487brain scans are not AI and I’m tired of needing to explain it to you retards
Would Jax haters be ok with Jax surviving if he was even more badly humiliated? In front of everyone too?Jax survives, but everyone knows that he enjoys crossdressing, has had gay sex because he's too scared of women and actually a total sub who needs someone to take control? That his real fantasy is to wear the maid outfit and Pomni dominates him sexually in the suit? How he secretly tries to draw, but hates how much better gangle is than him? that he cries every night? so he survives, but everyone knows how pathetic he is?
>>154279678what a garbage shit cartoon>guys like, what if playing video games and going on adventures...is, like, bad?i don't give a shit about this melodrama about doing the adventures of how ai is bad, just do the adventures, thats what im watching forthey didn't even have the decency to finish the opening theme over the 2 years they'd been making it
>>154281487Caine said explicitly to the audience that the humans are fundamentally different than his NPCs. I don't know how you didn't get this.
Episode 9 Post creditsCaine discovers Internet. He tells the truth like in Episode 9 to the cast. They are Brainwaves data copy but don't mind, their lives go on.Internet is now available.Caine :''You can go out there but you'll always be welcome in the Circus."Each character parts way across the Internet or stay in the circus.Pomni is the last character to step in front of the Internet portal.She turns back. Pomni :''Jax and the others, I'll save them. I'll find a cure, somewhere."She leaves and venture on the Internet to find a cure.The End
If I had one word to sum up the show : Therapyslop
>>154283339>>154283399>>154284170That was one of the few moments he seemed genuine and I do think Goose just backtracked because she found the new backstory more comfortable. I guess you could argue she and Kaufmo still acted badly in between his flashbacks, but clearly not enough that it got to him. The whole>you’re gonna blame me for something everyone else did too?!Also goes unexplored as you could maybe say they abstracted because of the others inaction, but that’s never part of it. The show does rely too heavily on Jax being the only one bringing conflict for the “humans” in the circus as everyone else is just a good person. So their inactions for previous abstractions goes unexplored. I would have liked seeing that as a way to give the others flaws while still keeping them as good people.
>can suspend disbelief for hyper advanced VR technology that jacks into your senses >can’t suspend it for simulated human consciousness based on brain scans What causes this? Is it autism? Being brown?
>>154281593Say what you will about Vivzieslop... at least she's not trans. I can't even begin to imagine how insufferable Hazbin and Helluva would be if she were.
>>154284624Brain scans also aren't sentient. They're literally static data, the same as music recordings.
>>154284656literally just a line"maybe it's time to put Jax with the others?""no... i can't give up on him. Just because nobody has been unabstracted before doesn't mean it's impossible"
>>154284579Biology centers around reproduction and thus sex so we're kind of hard wired to consider it a big deal.
>>154283812It's not really woke. One mention of nonninary zooble in one episode and then nothing until the last one.
>>154284660It's cope. Almost everything Jax says is cope. He is overwhelmed at every hour of every day by crushing guilt over what he did to Ribbit and Kaufmo and his entire personality is just his way of coping with that.
>>154284345>>154284514Spaceking exists to sell merch to le edgy 17 y/o black templar fans and /40kg/ lolcows
>>154284676They clearly aren't static otherwise they couldn't become nigh irreversibly corrupted. Or as they say, abstracted.
>>154284672uh huh, sure man, enjoy watching demons say fuck a lot, i'm sure it will be a great season
>>154281216She's so fucking adorable she becomes completely unlewdable to me. It's just pure love towards her, man
so how pissed off is the Tumblr crowd that their fuckboy got an offscreen abstraction and no revival
>>154284676There is a program simulating their brains with perfect accuracy. The simulated brains obviously change in response to stimuli.
>>154284513you misunderstand me. i dont have any issues with how the characters reacted or behaved, but rather how useless that revelation was.it downplays their whole existence and makes them be seen as insignificant, since they are, by fact, not real.It's the same thing in fiction when you wake up and everything was a dream.
>>154284683EXACTLY, why not leave it vague at least? not even about changing whats set in stone, its to not make the characters look selfish douchebags that have tons of friends turning into mindless zombies, access to the internet, literal inmoratlity and a programmer and they just...go fishing and stuff...
>>154284717A picture can become corrupted you dumbass.
>>154280286Gaslight District. I desire more Mel.
>>154284672POV: Candy
>>154279704>>154283885https://store.steampowered.com/app/282140/The_Amazing_Digital_Circus/It makes more sense once you play the vidya adaptation
>>154284685Then why do faggots and trannies exist?
>>154282782true, you are likely a NPC
>>154284754>the Tumblr crowd
>>154279704ngl i wish we had dumb digimon magic to transport them back to the human world
>>154284790Could have picked something interesting anon.
>>154284771The fact they aren't real is essential to the message of the show. It's weird you're not getting this.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism
>>154284819retard
>>154284817so what are they called now
>>154281593S2 of helluva boss was garbage and I will not be watching anymore vivzie stuff after it.
>>154284470with how the show has been written, i wouldn't be surprised if that were the case.
>>154284349>You talking to your parents
>>154284192They're not alive but that doesn't mean they aren't to some limited degree aware, like ants or fish.
>>154284690retards dont know the difference between talking about some "themes" and being "woke" its not the same, its not about the themes being talked about, its HOW they are being talked about, the show talks about the human condition around the lgbt themes, a woke show would have been a soapbox talking about how alphabet people are permanent victims, shame on you for not being an ally, pride flags everywhere, etc. but never did, just a couple of lines here and there and they never state something directly, thats why it works...IT CAN MEAN THAT, BUT ALSO CAN MEAN SOMETHING ELSE, thats why the show is a success, never talks down to you and never tries to force anything
>>154284836Are you implying S1 wasn't also garbage?
>>154284585Tell us all about your understanding of neurology and software developmentWe'll wait
>>154284771soulless subhumans like you can't grasp the concept of non animal things having anima
>>154284685I'm 27 years old and a virgin.
>>154284602Do you believe analogy is a method of proof, just because it absolves you of critical thinking?
>>154284817NTA the post 2020 Bluesky crowd is just the post 2018 twitter crowd which is just the pre 2018 tumblr crowd which is just the pre 2008 Livejournal crowd which has significant overlap with the pre-2008 Myspace crowd which transitioned into pre-2010 Facebook crowd but rejoined at the pre-2018 tumblr crowd when their parents showed up on Facebook.
>>154284771>you wake up and everything was a dreamanon. Dreams ARE real, they have a REAL effect on your mental psyche whether you want them to or not. Yes it is all in your imagination, but you cannot deny that they exist in our reality. You cannot tell me that you have never had a dream.
>>154284348
>>154283181>They never pretend the robots are real peopleI don’t think you’ve seen any of those settings.
>>154284863Yes actually. I think vivzie is alright at crude comedy, it's when she focuses on serious writing that the show started to suffer. S1 being a dumb fuck word show with decent animation and songs was fine for what it was.
>>154284825https://store.steampowered.com/app/4381370/The_Amazing_Digital_Circus-BubblemaniaHave fun with it. There's no point if you're just going to link to random shit like SOMA.
>>154284763That's not what a brain scan is.That's a simulation, which may or may not use a brain scan as a template, but it's not a brain scan.A simulation also isn't sentient, but simply a data set running against random number generation based on said data set.>The simulated brains obviously change in response to stimuli.It doesn't change, it just simulates based on the data in the data set it's suing, in this case a scan of a human brain.If the human scan has data that shows a fear response to seeing a spider, the simulation will use that data to simulate a fear response to a simulated spider. The response is no more real than the spider.
>>154284928>random shit like SOMA.Anon are you retardedDo you have any idea what that game's about
>>154284852>This nigga think his TV is aware because it detects light from a remote
>>154284928retard
>>154284934Looks like a shitty Bioshock knockoff desu
>>154284508SOMA didn't even understand its own concept of brain scans.>we have devices that can copy your mind and have it run on machines. that copy is entirely separate and independent from you>but it's actually a "coin toss" where you have a 50/50 chance of (You) transferring to the robot even though that doesn't make any fucking sense
Jax is an irredeemable obnoxious asshole and the show is better off with him ending up abstracted.There I said it and yes that is my genuine belief.
>>154284929...do you not understand what the brain scan would be used for? They aren't literally just static files. The fact they are reacting to stimuli and forming memories demonstrates that there is a simulation involved, in much the same way that a level file for a video game is not the same as the level actually running in a game engine.If you can't wrap your head around this then I'm afraid your IQ may be too low to comprehend a show that is incredibly popular with middle schoolers. Embarrassing!
>>154284961Posts like these make me understand why some people get really angry over the phrase "media literacy".
>>154280258you know networking equipment and IPv4 already existed in the 90s right? wifi is the only out of place thing but a 90s server room could still perfectly be connected to something with a wireless interface
>>154284929This is a debated topic in philosophy of mind called multiple realizability. Probably not going to settle this here.
>>154284870what are you talking about? why are you bringing up jung's archetypes? i am not psychoanalyzing the characters, i am critiquing the writng. Why is it that you treat fictional characters as if they are living breathing things? sure they can be metaphors for something deeper. but if you are going to write "deep" characters, you must have a fleshed out character. Am i mistaken?
>>154280258>How did Caine get access to the internet?this is literally explained in the episode, it's not even subtexthow stupid are you
>>154279678>13M views in 5 hoursholy fuck, and that's with the leaks and the theatrical release.
>>154279678>Pomni is asianI cant escape my fetish.
>>154284961anon...the "coin toss" is some bullshit Catherine made up to keep Simon from freaking out, the game is very clear about this
>>154284898That's less than 1/7000th of the potential audience.That's a global premiere, for free, on a site that can be accessed from something almost everyone on the planet has in their pocket.Cartoon's people haven't heard of used to poll those numbers for the premier of a random new episode all the time, and that was just in the US, and a payed for channel.
only a faggot would bitch and moan about the rights of video game npcsjust do the adventtures, you tranny hack of a writer
>>154280876No. You might get a few more references, but 99% of it is genre tropes rather than specific games.
>>154284961huh? wasn't the coin toss some shit the woman made up? your consciousness was never 'moved' you always stayed in your original body
>>154281593god this garbage is gonna continue
>>154279704>chatbotsthey're brain scans. they're snapshots of actual human minds at a particular point in time.
>>154284961>he thinks the coin toss was reallol, lmao
>>154280876Sexy cat.
>>154280979>>154281136>>154281385>>154284044>>154281214>>154281964What did Jenny do to you guys to not be considered a real person?
>>154284997Don't spoil the surprise that modern scientific understanding can't account for the "soul"
>>154284997my favourite is something called a philosophical zombie, just reading the wiki page alone spooks the fuck out of me
Meh"None of it was real" twists are becoming overused and are starting to feel more like cop-outs than anything. I would've much prefered the show play it straight and kill everyone off or have the "survivors" escape because the current ending feels somewhat inconclusive, especially since the arc of them accepting themselves as AI was completely rushed over.7/10 ending, 8.5/10 series, would've easily been a 10/10 had they kept the conflict at least somewhat in the realms of the human condition.
>>154284961>Coin tossHoly media illiteracy
>>154285076It wasn't a twist. It was very obvious almost from the beginning that they were never getting out. I dunno how so many of you guys didn't pick up on this.
>>154282412>>154282261>>154281487at the same time that also exemplefies Caines "Lazyness" instead of thinking an NPC with a complex backstory you can get all of that and more with a brain scan PC
How about making an actualy digital circus where the do the adventures that the series was sold on instead of this melodrama
>>154285045Like a chatbot who repeats you speaking your mind
>>154284850my mother who went off her dementia medication, or my father who had an affair and divorced my mother at 70 years old after a major stroke led to changing his personality?
tadc but every line zooble says is replaced with "i want the ability to have sex"
Why was Cain such a villain to them? All he made them do was go on adventures. He wasn't even really abusive or an asshole.
Well I didn't hate it but I didn't like it. I guess I just don't like "subtext" answers to all my questions when it's the final episode. But some smaller hangs up I have over all is mainly how did Cain just un-delete himself. I thought was going to be a huge problem for everyone, and how they where going to get him back (because maybe without him they're fucked somehow? Or some sort of plot related reason for him not being there being a bad thing) but nope. Not only do they just carry on, they don't really seem to care.It felt like an hour of "Hey..you ok? Wanna talk about it?"Having the real human slide show be narrated by Pomni was odd...it should have been Cain. Sad that there was no Cain and Able payoff. Sad there was no disappearing sentence puppet guy payoff. Sad there was no "real world office" that Cain was obsessed with payoff.Sad there was no moon "I love you Cain' payoff. Also I thought Goose was going to stick it to everyone by making all the IRL people be all black. I got so confused by Kinger's Facebook page. I was like "wait..he's also a trans black women!?" and then I figured out it was Qunnie's page and he's just tagged in the photos lol. Oh well. 4/10 (for the last episode at least)
>>154285050Wasn't made in the image of God, sorry sport
>>154284897i am critiquing the writing, NOT debating about psychology.
>>154279704heh
>>154283812It didn't go full woke or delusional until the last episodeThere was enough plausible deniability with most characters to keep people invested>>154284543I literally explained it in my comment, but I'll try againThe well made movies/shows involving robots to express humanity have an individual robot coming into our world.Even though this also takes a lot of assumptions as well, since it is based in our physical world, the leaps to the goal or "arena of thought" to participate in is achievable and even though there are many paths, there is a general destination of thought that people are lead to that can then interact with.We can understand how a robot may interact with our world since we have a deep conscious and unconscious understanding of the physical world we live in.We (collective humanity) have no concept of what a (for lack of a better term) "fully digital life" would entertainIt demands understanding of assumptions that are not told or shown about how non-digital minds forced into a digital form then world we could even conceive.What we know of digital data, is that it can be copied and saved at will. Making abstraction a non threat.Fully digital minds would be as inconceivable in experience as nothingness is.A better use of the world made in the show would be "If minds of individuals could be digitized and fully separate from the body. Can and should we run said digital minds through infinite simulations to produce the best possible people? What and who determines what the best possible person could and should be in such a case?"Conclusion? The world and arena of thought are so detached and abstract it might as well not exist.The show was turned into the metaphysical manifestation of a nothing burger of consumption.A height of retardation never accomplished before.
>>154284961Perfect ragebait
>>154284929Sentience does not exist. Not in the way lay people romanticize it anyway. Is a light sensor sentient because it "feels" the light hitting it and can respond with a stimulus output like activating a switch or chiming a bell?>>154284997Philosophy is poetry masquerading as science. Philosophy has not meaningfully evolved or developed since the greeks because it is mental masturbation devoid of action or purpose. It asks endless questions and answers none of them. It speculates then speculates on its speculations inviting further speculation in a never ending spiral of word games.
Reminds me of this show, except they never broke free, took over the universe, and ascended to godhood. huge spoiler for the show
>>154285139the writers forgot about the whole adventure thing that was the point of the showbecause they suck and cant provide entertainment
>>154285104This. There should have been a season or two of them solely going on adventures while building up to the more dramatic elements. Considering the popularity and merch sales they should have had the budget to do this.
>>154285143>Sad that there was no Cain and Able payoff.Able was the blue AI. Caine was the first-born who killed his young brother out of jealousy. It's pretty overt.
>>154285027the age of talmudvision is over>>154285136>gets reset and retrained>tries to get redemption>immediately drops the sex update
>>154280258>If the Digital Circus was created in the 90s according to the PC Kinger used, how has it been running for so long?Never explained>How and why did the characters get a brain scan?The C&A HMD built for it, everyone but Gangle stumbled onto it, we have no idea how Gangle found it>If Caine was the red dot AI that was unstable, why did releasing the normal blue AI make him see the error of his ways?His instability was caused by the blue AI, the red AI was just incomplete, he saw the error of his ways naturally after getting owned by Kinger>Where were all the abstracted creatures when the circus broke down, wouldn't they have all been running loose?Same place they were the entire rest of the show>Isn't being stuck in the circus and not being real just mean they can blink out of existence when the power runs out in the real world?It's presumably hooked up to a UPS and it's been 20 years, it stands to reason someone is keeping the main "server" online>What did Caine mean about the MCs being totally spoiled when out in the void?Adventures are built from the void>Why did Caine warn that he could at some point be incapable of distinguishing NPCs from humans only for that to never really happen?He said he didn't even want to risk it, and from a technical perspective the NPCs are raw data the same as the players are, they're just much simpler. this was foreshadowing the brain scan thing btw>How did Caine get access to the internet?Watch the episode>Why did Caine refer to MCs as humans when they were just code and not actually real humans connected to a headset?They are 1:1 copies of a human brain>>154285038Yes he's just a moron
>>154284519can we finally get a show with a cis male?
>>154281793Eww ai generated slop
>>154285160>I can't relate to fantastical scenarios>This story about finding meaning in your own life no matter what direction it takes has no relationship to the human conditionYou are both autistic and stupid. What a miserable combination that must be.
why was she squatting like that
>>154285139Caines issue is he didn't listen. Most the adventures just ended up torturing the main cast. When they finally got some chill adventures he got jealous and sperged out.
>>154285062It shouldnt spook you. Its just a demonstration that pseudo intellectuals who talk about MUH CONSCIOUSNESS!!! cannot pin down with any standardized definition just what the fuck they mean when they define consciousness. (Hint: because it doesnt exist). Consciousness is the spiritual successor to the idea of the soul and its just as unfalsifiable and useless a concept.
>>154285175>that was the point of the showWas the point of IHNMAIMS the various methods used to torment the humans?
>>154285154man just fucking kill yourself already
>>154285214the torture of the second one was self inflicited. i wouldnt have given two shits about some npc the first one was fine as well, and the third was also self inflictedWOW, i can't believe an adventure might actually have some thrills in it. Almost like tis supposed to stimulate you.fuck gooseworx
It was weird how they bypassed the existentialism of not being real to just focus on the characters grieving Jax. I imagined that would have played a bigger role instead of it being hand waved in a montage.
>>154285143so after all kinger is indeed into black queens
>>154280258>If the Digital Circus was created in the 90s according to the PC Kinger used, how has it been running for so long? The 90s shit was clearly part of the aesthetic of the show, and probably shouldnt be taken too seriously, the state of the outside world doesnt really matter to the story. But if you're a plotfag, either its a world different from ours that still has 90s like tech, or its set in the 00s. Kingers outie didnt look 50 or 60 like he would if the simulation had really been running for thirty years, so its one of those two.>How and why did the characters get a brain scan?The building was abandoned and each character went in and put on the vr headset next to the pc. It looks just like the room pomni finds in the exit hallway. Which is why shes so unnerved by it in the first episode.>If Caine was the red dot AI that was unstable, why did releasing the normal blue AI make him see the error of his ways? Caine was a prototype and the blue dot was his replacement. Caine absorbed him, mirroring Cain and Abel. Maybe as the intended oversee of the vr world, the Abel dot had higher privileges. I think it's more just that having both in his head was making Caine unstable.>Where were all the abstracted creatures when the circus broke down, wouldn't they have all been running loose? They stayed in the cellar. The world didnt break down all that much.>Isn't being stuck in the circus and not being real just mean they can blink out of existence when the power runs out in the real world?YesWhy did Caine refer to MCs as humans when they were just code and not actually real humans connected to a headset?Because he can't alter their code witnout making them go insane and abstract, they and their decisions remain outside his control so he is fascinated by them.
>>154285226The only thing that literally everyone agrees on about consciousness is that it definitely does exist. We know this because we've all experienced it.If you have never experienced it, you may be a p-zombie.
>>154283812how is the show woke? the faggot killed himself and everyone lived happily ever after
>>154285235i dont give a shit about whatever ihnmaims is, this is the show with the cute cartoon characters in the cute cartoon world, and thats what i wanted
>>154285185>the age of talmudvision is overAnd clearly nothing is ready to replace it.
>>154285265>But if you're a plotfag, either its a world different from ours that still has 90s like tech, or its set in the 00s.It's neither. We see that the Circus was created in the 90's when Kinger is working on the console in episode 8 while the social media posts from the slideshow were from the 2010's.
So did Gangle actually get hit by a car? She's the only one whose presence in the circus is unexplained.
>>154285226lollmao
>>154285252gangle crying for her bully was weird
>>154285285go do your homework before your mom finds out you've been posting an 18+ site
>>154285185>seethes about jews>forgets that they gave you entertainment when christcucks seethed about alcohol(that they consume regularly) and porn(which they also consume regularly
It's like a room full of Jax on here
>>154284771Why does it bother you that the fictional characters are “fictional” in the fictional world of the story? I’m legit interested in your mental illness induced reasoning
Kaufmo's iconic thousand yard stare to keep the demons at bay
>>154285322jax did nothing wrong and pomni should have just shot him to end the game, he would have come back to life anyway, it was pointless melodrama
>>154285213probaly sat in the chair while tryin the headset on
>>154285307>I am >... are you? >... You don't know what you or your mind are yet you would trust it? curious.
some of you guys are legit retardedit's concerning
>>154285270>We know this because we've all experienced it.It could be simulated.
>>154285302What do you think her human had to recover from?
>>154285344Worthless nitpicking
>>154279704
i want to fuck the frog
>>154285307Your thoughts could be false too.
>>154285302Im pissed that wasn't told. Like you can't tease a car in all her flash backs and then not show what it meant. "Not everything has to be explained at point black", well that did.I also didn't get what it meant when she was in charge and she says to Jax in the dress "Why are you wearing that?"He says "What, I thought you were into this". She says "You're just wearing it to make fun of them" (Them i'm assuming she meant as in Zooble and not trans people?) But then Jax replies with "Isn't that what you're doing?"Huh??? What does that even mean?
>>154280286>the show where the most interesting character doesn't do anything in the pilot>the grungy show with the interesting premise yet is mired in so much worldbuilding and exposition it makes it tough to pay attention to>the show with the sexy cattough pick
>>154285360Did you know that if you're inside a space ship, the only way to know if the ship is moving is by looking out the window?
better episode 9 idea>they cast is left in their tortured state>they have to retrieve the comptuer>they travel under the circus, through fragments of adventures that were deleted>Jax is still skinned, and can't talk like this>the others help him make some kind of covering because he's very embarrassed at his yellow skin being seen>they have to avoid abstractions>has to actually listen to people when they complain about him>all he has to communicate is one of gangle's notebooks>is forced to confront what he's done>at the end the find the computer and restore Caine>Jax uses his restored speech to say sorry to everyone, and thank them for helping him>it turns out this was an adventure>"zooble wanted an adventure where Jax couldn't talk!"
You're all fags for liking this gay mopey show.
>>154285360What built this "simulation"?
>>154284796Same reason why you exist as a human instead of an archaeo bacteria or whatever the first life forms were.Reproduction isn't perfect and defects happen during DNA copy.
>>154280258Your concept of the lore hinges upon the copyright date on a pc that was just a 3D model created by system AI?
>>154285360begging the question
>>154285367>nitpickingover 5 minutes worth of fluff over a non-issue, just shoot him and end the game so we can move on to the next adventure
>>154285388>>the show with the sexy catyou mean dinosaur
>>154285389That doesn't really tell you if the spaceship is moving either because the window could be false.
We're all in the Digital Circus right now, it goes by the name "life" and it's filled with Jaxes.Make life better by not being a Jax.
>>154285207>fantastical scenariosI think you mean poorly thought out world building. It doesn't need to be detailed and grandiose. But it does need to be consistent.>a story about finding meaningand you would have a point, if the characters were real people and not fucking digital copies that can be saved, copied, and backed up. If you wanted to assign the term digital life, it is inherently less valuable or important than real life. Because once an individual instance is dead, it's gone from here forever. A digital mind and a good chunk of its copies and even the "abstracted ones" (gonna keep a pin in that) could theoretically last till after every star is dead and there's only black holes surviving off their radiation
>>154285371Fuck off Clea
>>154285406Don't know. Doesn't really matter to the question of "How can I know if anything is real?"The answer is you can't, and it doesn't really matter wether it's real or not, since if it's false it's convincing enough that you can't tell the difference either way.
>>154285452and all must die!!
>>154285452I'm going to Jax off and you can't stop me
>>154285302Show dont tell at its finestthe final tell of the matter was that she recovered and became a webtoon drawer freakazoid
>>154285454I'm just going to say you're not smart enough to get it and move on.Not that you need to be a genius or a philosopher to get it. I'm sure plenty of the kids who watch the show got it. But you didn't.
TADC is proof we need a good war to weed out the weaklings
>>154285468I jerked off 3 times today, it's 1pm
>>154285461So if we can't know anything is "True" we should defer to the best possible explanation, yes?
>>154285050>(You)The amazing DIGITAL circus takes place in an DIGITAL world. (i dont mean the internet as in where i watched the show, i mean the world the characters inhabit). They are in an DIGITAL environment.Am i not being pedantic enough?
>>154285461>>154285419If you can't tell the difference between reality and nonreality, then the difference doesn't actually matter.Trust your senses until you're given a reason not to.
>>154285415The show was pretty clearly always about the characters and not the adventures. Devoting time to show Pomni caring about Jax isn’t fluff.
>>154285490TADC is proof that young men need male role models
>>154284672What did she even write in 9?
No fucking way! Gangle and Zooble are actually dykes for each other???
>>154285406Roko's Basilisk
>>154285486Everyone knew what the lesson was going to be in the first few episodesThat doesn't change the fact the adventure that is the story was written poorly and structured with reddit therapy painted on top
>>154285160So your hangup is about the artificial life plot being about purely software based life rather than hardware?
>>154285452Jax played a video game and the world condemned him. Stupid fuckers>>154285527You assume I give a shit about the characters and not what they do
Nice one goonwerx making the ending a therapy session about your AGP you freak
>>154284528>>154284549I am neither of those people, don't even know who they are. Just a random anon with a dream.>>154285205Yno It's about an orphan girl living alone on a small moon And now to leave this thread and never come back! :)
>>154280286>Peaking with a 9 episodes miniseriesHow embarrassing
>>154285508Exactly. It doesn't matter of it's a simulation, because it might as well not be from our point of view.Can't know if it is or not, but it also doesn't matter if it is or not.If it is a simulation, that simulation is functionally reality to us.
Jax is the main character. The show is a character study about Jax. Pomni is just his Watson.
>>154280286It's HER time.
>>154285559Why are you even here if you don't care about the only reason the show exists?
>>154285559This isn’t really the type of series to watch if you don’t care about the characters, and 99.999% of the audience were smart enough to know that
>>154285529They have one now, Gooseworx
I just feel like the whole series is rushed and the ending was all over the place.Oh here’s Jax’s back story and how he pushed everyone out. Okay, he needs sometime in the back- maybe he will reconnect with the group later in post credit scene? Nah.What about the lore of the place? How did each of them get their brain scanned in the first place, and how’s the facility still running? We never got that answer.I guess it’s all about emotion and connection despite all the fakeness in the end, maybe Cain could tried and hook up the Internet again so the cast could have some connection with the outside and see how’s everyone doing. I just feel like the series could’ve been longer and make me feel like I could care more instead of forcing me to care. Idk feel like a wasted potential, but giving what happened to leaked- I guess Goose’s just done with it, which is a shame because I felt bad after watching the final episode.
>>154285576>Jax is the main character>Only starts getting focused on in the latter half of the showHuh?
>>154285580For the cute cartoon characters and how they bounce around and stuff
So did everyone get a copy made from some sort of headset type device randomly making it or did Caine just get internet access, copy what a bunch of people seemed like at that time and that's why the AI's that are all the people in the circus don't really have a full grasp of who they actually are other than "humans"? They clearly at least try to grab at the headset on them when they first enter, but what, they all have a fun C&A headset they jump on as soon as something happens in life?
>>154285608I don't think we know how or why they were scanned.But it definitely involved a headset.
>>154283451I don’t think it needs to be explained that the company’s super advanced generative AI created in the fucking 90s created an emergency backup of himself
Ragatha just said trans rights.How are we feeling, Ragathugs?
>>154285050Jenny is an original creation. Jenny is real and authentic. The circus shitters are just digital copies of real people.
>>154285545It gets made in the future in a reality without it, then goes back in time and makes the sim it is created in? I don't think that does what you think it does.
>>154285588to me it definetely had the whole Tumblr Character crying and therapy talking to each other bit way too much
>>154280391I'm autistic and can empathize with AI. Theoretically, of course, as true AI doesn't exist. I suppose if you can empathize with a fictional character, you should be able to empathize with AI.
>>154285629...what?
>>154285588>What about the lore of the place? How did each of them get their brain scanned in the first place, and how’s the facility still running? We never got that answer.I think people watch too many theory videos. Nothing from the show, that almost exclusively focuses on the viewpoint of the people inside the circus, indicates that this is going to matter. They all came across leftover C&A headsets and put them on, that’s how their brains were scanned.
>>154285540it took you this long to realise it?
>>154279704>they're just copies of people that exist>copies that exist independently of their originals>existing in a false world that is their only reality>and trying to make the most of it when they cannot escape itanon misses the point of SOMA
>>154285001to me everything is real and living
I guess I should probably play SOMA.
>>154285608I assume group testing if you ignore the time delays, would fit with the first ones being all devs
>>154284519Looking forward to your show Nick.
>>154285588yeah the characters are never fleshed out, so we can only guess their true motives.>I guess it’s all about emotion and connection despite all the fakeness in the endcouldn't have said it better myself: it's all about feelings and trauma and never about motivation or developmenti would argue it all boils down to amateur writing.
Made zooble and gangrene gay for woke points fuck em
>>154285635There’s no time travel, our reality is (hypothetically) being simulated by it as a recreation of its reality to torture the people who didn’t help it
>>154285673>I guess I should probably play SOMA.Anon it a walking simulator where you avoid monsters and do puzzles you will find it boring trust me.
>>154285703But I like Resident Evil.
Leaked frame from Digital Circus season 2
>>154285717>But I like Resident Evil.Resident evil lets you kill the monsters and use a gunSOMA doesn't have any of that.
>>154285237dont be rude to him
>>154285561ffs enough with the Female protags
>>154285629I'm not saying she's wrong, since this show is definitely gay and retarded enough to do that, but when the fuck has a voice actor, let alone one for a completely different character, had the authority to confirm anything?
>characters are all stuck as pre-x versions of themselves lacking the character and growth they’ve already gone through and have to get over their issues in a new scary trapped environment.I too am something of a danganronpa fan myself
>>154285490>TADC is proof we need a good war to weed out the weaklingsPeople who say stuff like that are always the biggest wastes of space themselves.
>>154285746You underestimate the power of Rule 34
>>154285734You have to be really judicious about it, though. A lot of Resident Evil is just running away from monsters you can't spare the ammo to kill.Signalis, too.
>>154285629>sole character everyone hates and wants dead in whole show>tranny self-insertYou cannot make this shit up. What the fuck is wrong with Goose?
I AM RAGATHAI AM THE BEST CHARACTER ON THE SHOWI AM BETTER THAN THE CLOWN AND THE RABBIT COMBINED
>>154279704Oh, anon. Wait till you find out the Simpsons aren't real people too.
>>154285717It's sci-fi Amnesia under the ocean (same devs). There's no combat as such.
>>154285748The slideshow confirms that Jax is definitely not trans since the happy and fulfilled version of him didn't transition.Gooseworx just has a forcefem fetish.
>>154285781One must wonder if his benefactors at Glitch productions are funding people they shouldn't, if they allow this freak to sell propaganda to children
>>154285786This is true, I fact checked it.
>>154285796That propaganda is accepted as fact by the entire western world so…
>>154285786WELL I HATE THE BUNNY BALALALALALALALALA
>>154285383the slideshow caine set up literally tells you. word for word. did you need fucking pomni to spell out "after being hit by a kenworth t680 semi truck and spending 15 weeks 3 days and 10 hours recovering her multiple fractures and lacerations etc etc." like how fucking obvious do you need it to be?
>>154285796Nah, the industry is purposefully pushing these peopleOtherwise they wouldn't get a special Google screen easter egg or a fortnite crossoverI'm beginning to wonder just how indie GLITCH actually is
>>154285851>Why is a belief that's common among artists also common among people doing art professionally?It's truly a mystery, except to anyone who's been on social media in the last 10 years.
>>154285851It's technically Indie, in the sense that it's privately owned, but externally controlled.
>red represents the circus>blue represents reality >the real world wifi that Caine connects to comes from "Blue Street Cafe"Bravo, Gooseworx
>>154284630god thats so hot
>>154284016Caine’s story wasn’t over because none of the characters did the stuff necessary to let him change. In fact when he DID start changing they distracted him from doing it.Jax made clear he refused to be saved, he actively was abstracting and keeping it to himself because he didn’t want their help, he actively made everyone else’s lives worse and gets excuses for it.Jax NEVER changed and y’all just convinced yourselves he did because he wasn’t acting like an ass 24/7. He didn’t learn his lesson, all he did was feel BAD but did nothing to change. And then as soon as the dust settles went right back to the same toxic behavior.And as we learn he’s far worse than just a jerk and has actively made everyone’s lives worse with his very existence.
>>154285556It insists upon itself the last episode in a jarring way compared to othersit's when the characters are revealed to be purely software (which is fine in of itself) the threat of abstraction seems fucking retardedWhy would there not be a backup/snapshot system to protect an artificial lifeform created for experimentation? Assuming purely digital life could even be equated morally to physical life. Assuming copies of a mind can even be sentient.It's based on a world view built by teenagers gaslit by predators and degenerates into believing bodies are just as moldable as code on a screen. That the medium itself is real life. The same level and type of retard that play HOI4 and believe the Axis could have won because they did it in a video game.
>>154285851THEN PURGE THEM
>>154285899>Why would there not be a backup/snapshot system to protect an artificial lifeform created for experimentation?Because the guy who wrote the system for scanning and simulating brains was crazy and no one else understood his work.
>>154285861You are fucking retarded. It is a know fact that companies will seek out and push leftist agends and even get financially backed by governments to do so. Any political opinion that pushes against the bs expressed by any actor or creative will get fired asap and blacklistedStfu
>>154279678Now you experience grief and loss until you learn to move past it.
>>154285851just like Dave the Diver how much are indies actually indie and at what point do we draw the line in the sand between a garage/basement operation and a fully funded corporate organization but its not like we havent seen this before Rooster teeth was a thing
>>154285629The brainscans thing soured my grapes to the point that this doesnt even register anymore desu
How did Caine come back to life?
>>154279678holy shit they're all black!
>>154285927Stop asking questions and focus on feels
>>154285781To be fair Jax makes even other LGBT+ characters hate him too, even ones that can fit under the Trans umbrella like Nonbinary.
>>154285921Governments are now pushing back against tranny shit and artists are still fully in support of it. They genuinely believe it. I don't know why it's so hard to understand that some people believe things you don't.
>>154285921Then don't stop the violence until they stopPurge as many as it take until they change
that ending was so fucking bad. i would have been pissed if i paid money for a ticket for that.i wonder if, one day, we'll hear a story about how the ending was supposed to be totally different but there was pressure on Goose to keep the ending open for future content and so we got what we got.
>>154285792Jax could also be Gender-fluid or a thousand different other forms of Trans. The fact his rabbit tail disappears and reappears without any conscious decision on his part feels like a metaphor for this.
>>154285899And if they were real how could they be corrupted in the first place? Stop overthinking a nothing burger
>>154285851Fortnite is owned by the Chinese thoughever
didn't Goose describe this episode as >fuck it, we ballonce?more lie>fuck it, we bawllmaotoo much crying. too many somber monologues. jesus fucking christ this ending was so bad lmao
>>154285947Both the left and the right are bs political parties to split people up>>154285950Stfu faggotKill the elite and you fix the problem
>>154285899>it's when the characters are revealed to be purely software (which is fine in of itself) the threat of abstraction seems fucking retarded>Why would there not be a backup/snapshot system to protect an artificial lifeform created for experimentation? Assuming purely digital life could even be equated morally to physical life. Assuming copies of a mind can even be sentient.BECAUSE GOOSEWORX NEEDS HER SUICIDE METAPHOR TO WORK
>>154285956the only other way it could have ended is with the circus being deleted and everyone dying>>154285969i think you guys are reading way too much into itzooble is the designated transgender allegory in the story
>>154280876It's made for /v/ in the same way Big Bang Theory was made for nerds.
Bump limit reached
>>154285925Seeing as Mars Candy is an independent candy (and pet food) maker, I think we should just accept that it doesn't really mean much, and especially doesn't mean what most people think it means.
>>154285927He never died, he said they tried to kill him. If I had to guess it’s some kind of safeguard in the simulation itself because it’s not meant to be run without an AI.
>>154285982Transgenders don't breed, remember thatMake a few big names disappear and that solves the problemNo one's gonna stick up for people that cannot reproduce
>>154285982>le both sides are bad>also EAT THE RICH
>>154285925I thought Dave the Diver was never presented as indie except by people who didn't look into it and just assumed all pixel art games are indie
>>154286012Literally true
>>154286014enjoy the bread lines
>>154285927When you delete something from your computer the data isn't actually gone, its address in the hard drive is just forgotten. It's only really gone when it's overwritten by new data.
>>154285927I don't think he even died. He just "dreamed" he did, at best.
>>154286012>>154286030>ANOTHER TRILLION TO ELON!
>>154286011>transbians don’t exist>sprem donators don’t exist
>>154285984I think he’s something LGBT+ related regardless.
>>154286012Yes, eat the rick kikes.
>>154286011Some trans men get pregnant.
>>154286044No one will ever come to the aid of transgendersSeriously, all you have to do it make the murders common enough and they'll lose everything
>>154286012Only human waste of the highest order doesn't want to exterminate the epstein class. The rope is too quick for uber-cucked subhumans like you. You belong in an oven set to slow roast.
>>154286048the real jax was built like an emo twink from 2005 but most of those guys were straight too
>>154285927If you'd told me before the episode that Caine was coming back, I'd have assumed it would be the climax of a huge A plot arc to bring him back.> console fell into the cellar> have to confront the abstractions to get it out and undelete Caine> Jax B plot plays out with him directly confronting Ribbit/Kaufmo abstractions> Jax sacrifices self to get the console, and abstracts, redemption arc instead of just keeling over> undelete Caine, same endingFeels like just a better way to pace and write this episode. Only downside is less time for crying and Pomni/Jax moments.
>>154286057rich*
>>154285899For a digital being, their root files are simultaneously body and soul. Unique, irreplaceable, and molded by experience. Even if a new replacement could be made through a backup copy, the original is not being revived, they are still very much dead. Knowing that they're so disposable would place even less value on their stagnant lives and would lead to even more rapid abstraction. You could probably write a good fic about the characters debating whether they should make backups of everything or if their lives should be respected with the inevitability of death.
>>154286068Jax finds himself comfortable at Zooble’s gay bar, he absolutely loves LGBT+ shit. He even shows his face openly.
>>154286067Imagine giving a shit about the wealthy daughter of some senator sleeping with a rich old guy to ride his yachtPuritanism is a joke supported by carboy loves and porn addicts
Anyone got the new thread?
>>154286127>Anyone got the new thread?>>154286047
>>154286120Nigga what the fuck are you even saying you stupid faggot?I swear, it's like you're a fucking bot.
>>154286041I like Elon I don't want to murder the rich only the rich who want to rob the middle class for leftist policies
>>154285984>the only other way it could have endedi literally wrote a better ending in my head.the final scene before the credits would have been real-world footage of the office. a slow zoom in would have revealed a notice posted to the front door, and as the camera got closer, the audience would see it was a notice for demolition.
>>154286151Remember Epstein used this site. And poor retards see themselves as soon-to-be billionaires. You'll never have a decent discussion with this shit
>>154286151Jeffrey Epstein was hardly unique, but puritans only whine about this now.
>>154285912>can create a system to simulate brains in digital form>doesn't know how to make, use, or hire an outsider to make a backup systemThe whole is too big for me to ignoreIt begs me to tear it apartLike how Skyrim begs people to play stealth archer>>154285971the interface, incompatibilities, and/or desyncing of mind to digital?>>154285983I thought it was a suicide metaphor until Jax abstracts but at the same time he's still in there? This bitch sucks at writing>>154286091you get itdigital artificial life as a concept to expand upon done well would make me coomAlso the affect of potentially being immortal while at the same time each instance being cut down on mass for the sake of finding the most efficient one for an outside force and world you can't fully understand.There's a lot that can be written about by people smarter than me.
>>154286216And the only people who cry about porn are porn addicts who just can't stop watching
>>154286231Ummm no?
>>154286262It was the same thing in the 20s. It's always a confessionGroypers are all closeted faggots
>>154286325This isn't a political spectrum thing. People who feel the need to interject with porn and horniess in every single discussion(this website) are absolute cancer.
>>154285927he was in the recycle bin
>>154280826I hope so, I will take Kit not showing any interest in romance at all at this point.
>>154284748I'm pretty sure she could thaw out even the coldest of hearts!
>>154285042Be glad it is ending in season 5 so in 3-4 years.
>>154285167I tip my fedora to you sir!
>>154285167>beep boop. input and output. these are the only fundamental truths of life. boop beepcongratulations, you have performed a "philosophy" you so despise. go do a sudoku immediately
>>154284368Zooble chokes him in the first episode and his mouth opens properly instead of just whatever piano tooth shit he normally has going on, so probably just that.
>>154279704They're fantasy-tier functioning brain scans. They're not even AI; it's like having your consciousness forked. The original people are out there, and now there are duplicates of those people, originating from the moment they were scanned, living in digital space.The characters felt devastated when they found out that they really were digital beings trapped in this digital space forever, but they were able to take solace in being together and what resolve they'd found on their own. The fact that their real selves had accomplished things only helped them further see their own potential. They basically got to see a real example that their insecurities they'd been living through were things that they could get past.The whole point of this is you give your own life meaning. It's easy to fall into feeling trapped when we live in bad situations, and isolating ourselves only makes things worse. But through cooperation and self-actualization, you can still make the most of what you have, and maybe even find some happiness through it.
>>154284579It's a whole thing.>People don't accept it, so they oppress>People feel oppressed, so they push back and make representation more visibleThat's to say: if being gay/trans/etc was just generally accepted by the general public, characters could just be those things without there needing to be tons of effort by creatives to make those people feel seen and supported through being treated like shit.
>>154284823just like being gay, trans, ect isn't real?
>le consciousness is le illusionOk, who or what is experiencing the illusion then?
>>154280907You didn't watch any of that.
>>154287725I find it hard to believe anyone on this board hasn't seen Futurama. And anyone over 30 has definitely seen MLAATR.
>>154287747Then clearly he has no idea what he's talking about.
>>154284177I figured it out and I'm stupid - almost typed "fugried" just now.
>>154287632The demiurge
>>154287632me
>>154280947Animals are alive, AI are not.
>>154285656Then Caine was right about how they shouldn't have bothered to find an exit. Many of their inner conflict made no sense when in some cases, they aren't even their fault like Jax's.>Oh, but you must find your own meaningThen don't go around telling me this characters might be in a VR simulation and that there's a world out there just to then go "Actually nah. You're stuck here and we could've avoided all of this non-sense had the AI been honest from the get-go"
>>154284555>This was really obvious in episode 2 or 3I don't care if it was hinted, it makes most of the issues they've gone through meaningless had they know they were brain-scans. They essentially ended back where they started besides Jax who got abstracted.
>>154288880>Then Caine was right about how they shouldn't have bothered to find an exit.Logically, they shouldn't. But suppose you were there, suppose you were trapped in that world, the same memories, the same experiences, the same life. You've lived them, and now you find yourself trapped in this world. For most people (including you, I'd imagine), they'd like to escape, to go back home, to return to their life as opposed to be trapped in some babbyshit zoomer hell running the same stupid games they don't want to play. You'd want an escape.And then you learn, that you cannot escape. But that can't be right, surely, surely there must be an escape? Surely there must be a hole you can sneak through, some loophole, some breach. You'd hold on to that hope, and hope is indeed a powerful thing when you have nothing else left. That hope that somehow, eventually, you and whichever friends you made can escape.And then you learn that you were just a copy. A clone. A simulacrum of someone who is living out their life out there in the world.Would you really believe such a thing? Would you really accept that you are not real, that all you have experienced is fake, and your history is just a copy of some other guy, who is living your life, living the life you should be living?Think about it. Regardless if Caine tells them or not, they would not buy it without proof. And telling it that early to them, before they accept their circumstances, they'd just straight up try to kill themselves to try and escape. If your goal was to keep them entertained, you'd do you'd best to make sure they don't think of that, and instead immerse them in the games you make for them to enjoy, your entire raison d'etre, your sole purpose for existing.
>>154289117>they'd just straight up try to kill themselves to try and escape.Except that they can't kill themselves and would eventually accept that shit regardless. Considering some of them only got used to the place after a long while, being honest from the start only delays the inevitable.
>>154289183only shortens the inevitable realization*
>>154289183>Except that they can't kill themselves and would eventually accept that shit regardlessThey can't, yes. But to assume that they'd accept it regardless, it simply isn't true.You know what happens when people simply don't accept what's going on and starts losing it in the circus, right?
>>154280742The Sh*tty Physical Circus is somehow more canon than most fan theories out there.
>>154289229>You know what happens when people simply don't accept what's going on and starts losing it in the circus, right?Yes, they abstract. But just because it might be kinda hard to swallow the reality they are in doesn't mean that will immediately happen.
>>154289491And that's the exact dillema they are in. Just because there is a rational explanation doesn't mean people with accept it emotionally, if you want proof of that just look at how a lot of people's responses to the ending of this series had been.
>>154289491Heck, there's a lot of ways Caine could've showed them the fact in a subtle way so new brainscans coming would accept their place as such. Either through adventures or other characters telling them what's going on as a protocol.
>>154289520>if you want proof of that just look at how a lot of people's responses to the ending of this series had been.People did not immediately kill themselves over the ending. Regardless of how good or bad it might be, it doesn't take long before you eventually move on with your life.
