Ugliest family in hell edition
>>154281513Lute is EveRosie is RooCharlie is Roo's daughter
>hmmm.... homosexuality...
>Spindlehorse sees all the IPs Glitch are doing>think oh fuck we need some IPs to supplement Hellaverse too>get the mother fucking Homestuck pilot and nothing elseStill funny.
Watch yourselves.
yup chaddy KINGtos onepunches the verse and gayrapes all of them including the animals and babies
Adam and Lute in the OP seem to ward off the generic hater posts. hmm.
>>154281851>gayrapes
why is /dbg/ here?
>>154281851ENOUGH. I HAVE HAD ENOUGH. YOU N I G G E R S ARE PROJECTING YOUR FETISHES AND PARAPHILIAS. I'M FUCKING TIRED OF SEEING IT. ALWAYS THE SAME SHIT. POST SOMETHING FUNNY. NOW.
>>154281513How strong do I need to be to solo the Hazbin Hotel verse?
SuperPETER is our hero.
>>154281926Filename has “Death Battle” in it and jannies have been nuking any new thread created.
>>154281926Read the filename
>erm you can't gayrape me you heccin pedo>don't you know i identify as a childrino
>>154281851>ROCKtos
>>154281985>>154281978ah best be on my way then
Is this your hero?
I for one welcome death battle general to our humble Hazbin Hotel thread.
>>154281978It's a coincidence. The previous Hazbin thread >>154262136 just hit bump limit. This is supposed to be the Hazbin thread. OP picked an unfortunate choice of image.
>>154282153I hate Hazbin and Helluva so fuck you for liking shit but also thank you for being kind.
>Powers and Abilities: Hacking,Verse soloing,Verse erasing,Computer erasing,sys32 erasing,Mugen erasing,logic controll,processing>Attack Potency: Boundless>Speed: Boundless>Lifting Strength: Boundless>Striking Strength: Boundless>Durability: Boundless>Stamina: Boundless>Range: Boundless>Standard Equipment: Everything, Anytime>Intelligence Boundless
>>154282288Scale him
>>154282207Goddamn it, kek. /dbg/ will fuck off once jannies actually let a Death Battle thread stay up, hopefully soon. Someone linked this thread in the last Death Battle thread, that’s also why /dbg/ is here.
>>154282207Wait, now I'm thinking OP did actually make it as a stealth DB thread but they happened to do it when the Hazbin thread hit bump limit.I don't know what to believe.
ADAMTOOOOOOOSSSSSS!
>powerscaling autism meets shipping autism
You are...a monster no stronger...
>>154282739YIPEE! MY TWO FAVORITE KINOS! I JUST HOPE LORE THEORIES CAN MAKE IT IN TOO!
>>154282306Town level or so with feats only
This reminds me of the times I let composite fiction and reality fuck my wife! This reminds me of the time I proposed to my son!This reminds me of the times my daughter trooned out!This reminds me of the times I trooned out!
>>154282779Lute is Eve
is this cartoon as cringe and insufferable as every video essay makes it look like?
>>154282817See >>154281945
>>154282739Powershipping, if you please
>>154282841https://youtube.com/watch?v=eU0gOXTIMGoWatch the parts about the angels and nothing else.
>>154282901NTA but that just makes it barely acceptable and still mediocre af.
>>154282752If Kratos was in Hazbin Hotel the whole show would be done before the first episode finished it's runtime. He would've made the entirety of hell better men, allowing them to heaven within the first ten minutes.
Oh no, power level fanboys. So annoying.
>>154282974It's a crossover episode
Alright, I’m taking the fall and praying jannies don’t smite the thread>>154283076>>154283076>>154283076
The only fight from this series I actually want to see
Adam would watch Death Battle. He would be the type to get pissy and sulk if his chosen guy didn't win
I hate the fat depictions of Adam. Retards really don't understand how a fucking robe works.
>>154283287hrough tummy for cuddling...
>>154283287he's a big guy
>>154283313You're retarded.>>154283335He isn't fat.
>>154283169I'd love to see this too, but RoR Adam would mop the floor with Hazbin Adam.
>>154281945
>>154283703>Projecting.Credit where credit is due, that's funnier than the average shit post in /dbg/
>>154283099Once again GoKEKS in their infinite embarrassment caused it to get nuked
>>154283900>GokuGODS annihilated another thread FUAAARKKK
Does Kratos (actual feats) beat Hazbin Hotel?
>Jujutsu Kaisen is 1-1 vs Chainsaw Man with no answer in sight>Jujutsu Kaisen and Chainsaw Man are both 0-1 vs My Hero Academia with no answer in sightJujutsubros... How did we become tied with Chainsaw Man as MHA's SISSIES!?!? We need to HIDE behind our BULL's BULL's BULL immediately!!
>>154283651RoR Adam was displayed in full glory for a big fight. Hazbin Adam isn’t done yet. He will be back and likely far better than ever.
Hazbin HotelCHADS saving the weak
>>154281744Homestuck AND zoophobiaTotally full circle
>>154281851Not the animals and babies¡
>Strongest in his verse>But isn't allowed to fight half of the castWhat're his best matchups based on these themes?
>>154282306Neg diffs KEKlastor.
>>154283248Is Adam an AsuraCHAD or a KratoSISSY?
for me it's low 2-c. the strongest tier of them all.
>>154284720Tucker before getting nerfed…
For me it's wall level
>>154284783Alastor…
>>1542833354 u
>>154281513>lucifer is a manletlol, lmao
Didn’t they intend to create a cartoon with Zooble VA?
>>154285662They love their whores
I have a big realization that will spoil the show.
>>154286927I do too: Lute is Eve. Oh and Roo is the little red dwarf woman we see in season one... Husk and Angel get married, probably... Niffty mate presses Baxter....
>>154284718Jiren can both fight anyone he wants and is also not the strongest in his verse.
Jiren won, y'hear?JIREN WON
...'t ever stop smelling like SHIT.
>>154284597I'd fuck him.
>>154284597Lucifer can be killed with angelic steel, right?
lmao remember the morons that thought Lucifer dying was legit and they also thought, for some reason, that it was Lute that killed him with a holy knife?
>>154288273No, according to Viv it'd take a Seraphim of equal or greater strength to kill another Seraphim.
>>154288560When or where did she say that? I remember the angelic steel stuff, but a Seraphim killing another one is news to me
>>154282306>Scale himHe's so big I'll need a hammer, pitons, and rope.
>>154282739>powerscaling autism meets shipping autismThe 2 genders
>>154281513This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154282841You should aways get your opinions from video essays
>>154282841It's cringe but it has its charm. the video essays exaggerate everything to the max.
>>154288851It was during one of her streams. Allegedly angelic steel to Lucifer is like normal weapons to Sinners/Stolas. It can "hurt" him, but not really do anything meaningful.
>>154283287Fun fact: the animator who made Adam fat in certain scenes in season 1 is a furry fatfag and vore artist (unbelievably based). It was their interpretation that won and was used as the basis for his body type in season 2 onwards.
Thank you furry vore artist
>>154289943This is to all the motherfuckers in the previous threads going on about how he's not fat.
>>154289943Makes that rape fetishist lady (man?) look normal by comparison.
>>154290283r2ninjaturtle
>>154290316This was so stupid, I love it. It didn't take much to off him, did it?
>>154290314No one has given me a definitive answer that they're either a woman or a man. Wokies use male pronouns and everyone else uses female pronouns.
>>154290876Last I heard... They were going by he/him? But I don't know, I don't really keep up with anything
>>154282945Even the women? He should really respect their identities more.
18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
>>154291460>'adam, we have some birds for you to name.'>'woodcock! great tit! booby!'>'... okay how about this plant-'>'pussy willow!'oh shit now i'm thinking about if adam named charlie somehow. like lucifer texted him to brag about charlotte's birth and adam was like 'congrats can't wait to tell charlie about what useless cunts her parents are' and lucifer was instantly annoyed at how cute that nickname was.
Wow, I didn't realise how much seething the Lute = Eve theory causes on Twitter. It really does cause seethe huh
>>154292366anon it's retarded
>>154292366A lot lmao. you're only going to see a lot more the closer we get to season 3. It's plausible, and people are starting to realize it, so they're getting extra pissy
>>154292391It's really not though
>>154292391It's not. I prefer that over Lilith clone number two Eve taking Lilith's place while the real Lilith Rosie or whatever the hell. I can't wait for that theory to die
>>154292417why does their have to be a secret identity theory?autism?
Outside of Lute being Eve with all the buildup for revenge she's already had I just don't see a satisfying way for Eve to integrate into the story, especially as we already had Adam's season.
>>154292366While I'm not fully sold on it myself yet (I think it's plausible, mind you), I don't see why it of all theories is controversial.
>>154292766The hate is mostly from Lute 'fans' who've become attached to a headcanon version of the character who's a closet lesbian who was abused by Adam. Then there's Abel/Lute shippers who are terrified of being called incest supporters. And there's another group who ship Adam/Eve, except it's a headcanon version of Eve, and they dislike Lute. Basically the theory interferes with shipping and that's the biggest sin any theory can commit.
Some people say Lute being Eve erases Lute's character but I don't get that. Nothing about Lute's character gets erased. There's not even a false backstory to erase, as they haven't shown us a backstory at all. The only things that get erased are headcanons where people try to fill in the blanks on things we're not shown about Lute.
You guys are still having the "Lute is/isn't Eve" argument? Come on now, it's obvious that Charlie is actually a reincarnated version of Eve that Lilith and Lucifer created to skirt around the issue of not be able to have children the natural way. They used the good essence of Eve to make Charlie while the remaining evil essence was merged with all the evil in the world to give it a persona (Roo). This is why Charlie wants to help the sinners despite not actually understanding why they're in Hell in the first place. She's a naive Mom who believes her kids can't be bad, they just make mistakes. A writer was once in league with this Vivziepop. But they/them was betrayed last year by the Big Poppa. They came to me for help, and told me everything.
>>154293214doomed tragic guitarprincess real and canon confirmed
You won vivziepopYou fucking won.
SO the gay circus can have 11 threads up but we can't get ONE?
>>154294492how?
>>154281513VIBZIEPOP FUCKING WONI KNEEL.
>>154292861Lute being Eve legitimately only makes sense on the surface and then dissolves to nonsense the moment you realize Lite looks nothing like Eve at all and Lilith is shown to be in her more hidden appearances.
>>154294492>>154295185It took you this long to figure it out?
You've been camping?
>>154295189Keep telling yourself that.
>>154295440It is not incorrect information. Most of you Hazbin hotel fans are too mentally ill to see anything but your delusions to actually have a good discussion about anything.
>>154292926People say that because they've made a version of Eve in their head and they've already decided what Lute's backstory is. Her being Eve does not fit in their fanfiction takes about either character. I agree with you, there's nothing to erase. We don't know what Eve was like. It's funny because what people think they know about Lute, who don't believe she's Eve, coincides with everything about Eve, meaning the general take on the biblical figure and from the old leaks:Lute:>made for Adam - Eve>made to be subservient, obedient - Eve>gets along with him, understands his sense of humor, biggest cheerleader - Eve>constantly silenced, overlooked, disrespected - Eve>wants revenge, is angry, has it out for both Lucifer and Charlie - EveIt's literally just Eve. People get mad because then this somehow means Lute is only picking Adam because she was made to.... Even though they will argue the exact opposite for Eve. It's weird. People just don't want to accept it. Anyone with half a brain can see. Even when her VA talks, you can tell she's trying out to spoil anything about it (too late). Her being Eve is kind of the whole driving motivator behind this character. She's bitter, she's old, She's trying to atone for her and Adam's sin. Why do you think she's so slaughter happy?
>>154295523Keep telling yourself that.
Nta but it's low-key funny that the anti Eve Luters refuse and dismiss all of the outside material, like the cast interviews and shit specifically for this theory, and Lute. But when it comes to Lucifer, Charlie, Lilith, Vox etc people cling onto those for dear life
>>154295684Because everything that has been said about Lute heavily supports the Eve theory. So they use that as their golden opportunity to say that voice actors don't know anything/are not the writers (which is true), they're so clearly they have no basis for anything, and if they do, they're lying. Even though for other characters, the fandom doesn't act that way. But what can you do
>>154295684If her VA said shit like she's a lesbian and she hates Adam, even if the show demonstrates otherwise, you know for a fact people would cling onto that shit and call it canon. But because it's a theory they don't like, they ignore it. They are not in for a pleasant surprise.
>>154295604The reason why Lute hates sinners so much is because the first sinner she ever met was the deceptive Zestial. That’s why her mask and the other Exorcists look like scarecrows. To remind herself of him. That her life was destroyed by him.
>>154295783>Headcanon Alert
>>154295604Oh yeah, didn't the collider people say in one of their articles "Lute is on a path of redemption for Adam." ? huh ,,,,
Eve!Lute x Roo manipulative sex anyone?
>>154295906It seems like they’re given items way too deep into the plot to understand what’s going on with season 2’s plot.
>>154295924 ALWAYS.
>>154295906Nta, to be honest I'd chalk that one up to some retard journalist making a typo
>>154295924Ah yes. Toxic EvexApple doomed yuri
>>154295940Okay, A typo is just a word. That's a whole ass sentence.
>>154295975Path of revengeThe journalist will have redemption on the brain as that's the main theme of the show
I'm not Savvy in any of this, but from the little I understand, some media outlets and digital publications sometimes do have inside information, which obviously they're not allowed to spoil, so they kind of insert it there, to build a hype. I forget the title of the website but another one, something Nexus, said something along the lines of ' some fans speculate that there is a connection between Eve and Lute'. But I don't know what publishers have deals with spindle horse, which ones are pulling shit out of their ass, etc. But that's also kind of a weird thing to put in there when nobody outside of the same three people talk about the Lute Eve theory. So it's not even a 'some fans ' situation.
>>154295989Collider consistently has exclusive, insider information in Hazbin. They're the ones that conduct many of the interviews. It would not be a surprise, and it's actually expected, they have inside information. Saying that's a typo, when an entire sentence that not only carries heavy implications,, I kind of think you're being purposefully dense.
>>154281513i'd still rape charlie
>>154296096Ehhh. could be either or, i guess? We'll just have to wait and see until season 3
>>154281513Lilith isn't that tall here. She was a lot taller than Lucifer in the Eden storybook thing
Who do you guys seriously think will be Lilith's voice? You think Viv has the funds for Lady Gaga? I don't think so But I can't lie, Lady Gaga and Weird Al as a cartoon couple kind of slaps. Too bad we don't live in that timeline
>>154292459Where the fuck did I say that In the post?
>>154295906iirc that was a fake comment someone claiming she said that at a con, that vosk then stated was fake.
>>154296181Viv had KE$HA and Patrick Stump and one million billion Amazon bux at her disposal. I thought they revealed her voice actor though, it's that chick who voiced the evil girl in the Tangled TV show, unless I'm being schizo?
>>154295924It would be cute if Roo is mostly an evil psycho bitch but has a soft spot for Eve specifically.
>>154292539It was confirmed recently in the patreon thing that we've already been introduced to Eve. Meaning she's not going to be a new character. That means she could either be Rosie or Lute, or I guess Niffty or some shit. But we already have her, and I doubt they're going to pull the, oh the Lilith we've been talking about the entire time is actually Eve. That's retarded.The only reason(s) Lute gets a head start is because her voice actor literally requoted the Lute Eve theory, which is then combined and puts into context. Literally everything else she has said about how she's not who she says she is, how she's constantly disrespected, how Adam was the only thing she ever had. Blah blah blah It's kind of obvious. It's also very in line with Viv's writing. She's a moron in many respects, but she's not that much of a moron. Making adam straight as proof of that. She really doesn't give a fuck on what people say regarding her story.
>>154296310Alastor is basically a Roo and Lute!Eve lovechild.
>>154296264You're being schizo. Her voice actor has not been revealed yet. That is the voice actor people want, so she can have a duet with Jeremy Jordan like she did in the Tangled series. I mean to be fair, Patrick stump appears with a minor role. Kesha appears twice, and her voice actor has already been replaced. Celebrities to be featured regularly. It's just one to two times. And then.... Well I don't know the proper celebrity hierarchy, or whatever, but Lady Gaga is.. she seems really really expensive? Like, way more than Kesha.
>>154296312Fucking disgusting. Why do people keep trying to soften the bad guys. Can't we have one irredeemable piece of shit? She's the literal embodiment of evil. No, not Eve who ate the Apple, as in literally the very concept of evil. Why the fuck? Would she have a soft spot for anything or anyone?
>>154296310Alastor has been shipped with every fucking member of the Morningstars lmao
>>154296408Loving someone and expressing it by manipulating them and ruining their life is pretty evil wouldn't you say.
>>154296432It would not be capable of loving anything in the first place. Don't be retarded. She's not Valentino.
>>154296443She's supposed to be Evil, not Hatred. She is probably capable of some fucked up manipulative possessive shit.
>>154296319People also forget that Vivienne has cemented the story since the very beginning. She's not going to bend or change on the fandom's whim lol
>>154296361My stupid phone cut off an entire sentence. I meant to say Viv does not have the funds to feature celebrities regularly. This is not invincible. That's why I personally doubt she got Lady Gaga herself.
What if they get a drag queen to voice Lilith?
>>154295035Unless there's massive leaks, hazbin ain't getting shit
>>154296553What the fuck is a Hazbin
>>154296319Oh yes. The Lute is Eve theory that says it’s wrong. Very valuable information.
>>154297274... I honestly have no idea what you are saying. Did you make it typo somewhere?
>>154296539viv seems to actually be bisexual so I doubt she would do this to a character she lusts over
>>154297312If this is a person that I think it is, They have a very hyperspecific interpretation of the tweet that Jessica deleted. I wouldn't bother. Just ignore him. I'm convinced he's he's illiterate or doesn't understand how texts work. Or he's coping really really hard. Either way.
>>154297331It’s a whole lot of buzz words to say you don’t like a different interpretation of text because it disagrees with your desired outcome.Yes. I know you hate the Eve twist the show visually hinted out on Lilith. That has far more clarity for media literacy and denying it is legitimate insanity.
>>154297432You are so media literate that you used to tell everyone Jax was literally you and he just turned out to be a big tranny.
>>154297432... what buzzwords ?
>>154297466ain't no fucking way. Deadass?????
The third season doesnt have a release date yet?
>>154297474See what I mean?
>>154297519Nope! Not at all. Right now everyone's best guess is mid to late 2027.
>>154297519
Part of me really really really really really really really really really really really really really wants to break down that tweet for people like you know who ,,, But I also feel that would be a waste of time because literally nobody else has read the tweet in such a specific way like that. But I know you know who will ignore it
>>154297560Genuinely don't bother. It's not even a pro Lute Eve theory thing (I personally hate the theory myself), everyone can see what the interaction and the original post is conveying. But the person is twisting it so so so bad that it has to be on purpose. They're going to say it's wrong, anyway so
>>154297488He used to be so whimsical.
>>154297474Are you serious with me? Media literacy is about critical thinking. And you clearly don’t have any. It’s just you see what you want, pick it up, and display it. When it’s insanely misinformative to refuse to acknowledge the (this is definitely wrong) context of the post and act like it’s completely irrelevant.But when me and others simply compare the Eve in the story book to the suspicious scenes of “Lilith” in the card and in the baby Charlie scene. You go “no, that’s wrong!”
>>154297597Matpat Self-Inserting as Jax is something I did not think would ever exist. Holy shit, the finale and him being trans must be devastating lmao
>>154297609........You think Abel looking at his hands for half a millisecond means he's contemplating Lute's line from Gravity, And you also think his shepherd's cane shaped golf club means he threw a fit of rage.
>>154297597Oh my fucking god
>>154297597This is long before the tranny reveal 99% people didn’t expect. Episode 3 was the latest released for context.
>>154297616Honestly, I was way more disappointed about how overlooked Caine and Bubble felt in the finale. So I didn’t bother to watch it.Episode 8 really felt like the start into a much creepier journey like episode 3 seemed to be suggesting. After the death of the angel (Caine) there will be hell. So when episode 9 came out to be yet another therapy session unrelated to Caine or what they did to him, I just didn’t care anymore because the creator didn’t care either.Seeing Goose’s posts about Jax is so fucking creepy when you know the purpose of the character. It’s overly demonic to hate the part of you that is how God designed you to be.
>>154297797Cope harder.
>>154297635Anon, Abel watched Lute perform gravity start to finish and the whole song is about making Charlie pay for taking Adam away. Him looking at this hand is just the confirmation he paid attention to the song and is considering Lute’s words. Except I think he wants to kill Lucifer as his eye for an eye.> And you also think his shepherd's cane shaped golf club means he threw a fit of rage.Yes he did. It happened because he was mega raging at golf. It’s a visual gag with symbolic meaning to it. Are you media illiterate?
>>154297863Clearly, you are. Thanks for confirming.
>>154297863What in the fanfiction—
>>154296553Why has everything been getting leaks this year except the queer demon show. There is an Injustice somewhere. I would have expected a full episode by now.
>>154297883Okay writing genuis. Why else would Abel twist up his golf club at golf so hard when a common trope is that golf always makes people super angry?
>>154297899No buzzwords. No no. I have heard tons of shit of Lute being Eve because of love imagery when the Eve in disguise was in the beach she apparently owns (Liltih’s beach card) that has purples all over it. And also… is Adam’s Eden exorcist suit in extermination day purple?
>>154298036what
>>154298036What in the fanfiction—
>>154298069In the season 2 cards. The beach is called “Lilith’s beach” that implies she owns it. The colorscheme it has are purples and golds. The gold is Adam’s color. Purple is Lilith’s color. Also, I did a quick check Adam’s color of his Eden suit. It’s 402E47. A deep rich shade of purple. He’s wearing Lilith’s color…
>>154298157and?
>>154296422As God intended.
>>154292366It's pretty funny, all things considered. People are getting mad because it's very likely so
>>154298198It means Adam and Lilith were sleeping together for seven years on that beach and he did make the deal with her.
>>154298318Lmao
>>154298328That is my own reaction to it. Just imagine Lute’s perspective on it.
>>154298363You have a cuck fetish?
>>154298394The Zestial Caine guy apparently does
>>154298394No. But cucking is somehow a really relevant plot element. Like any other stupid love dramas. The love triangle is all about someone getting cucked.Like for real. The whole plot of Lilith Eve is all about her obsessing over the guy that fucked her first, Lucifer.
>>154298548>Headcanon Alert
>>154298548Got it, so that's a yes.
>>154298606This isn’t my story. The amazing digital Ack-circus is ultimately about a tranny obsessed with LGBT and suicide.VivziePop is a drunken mess with a whole bag of internal issues and no kids. Who gets off to toxic yaoi.For example, did you know in Zoophobia, it’s canon that Jack meets up with a cool girl and then gets cucked by a much bigger guy.
>>154298776Right, so anyway Lilith isn't Eve. Hope that helps.
>>154283248Adam need to be more muscular.He needs to be fat buff.
>>154298807“Lilith” is Eve.Rosie is Lilith.And Viv started up helluva boss with Blitzo cucking Stella.
>>154298816He is fat. >>154289943
>>154289943Will they please redraw Adam better
>>154298897Lute is Eve
>>154298816Personal preference? Sure. But that mother fucker is fat. Fat fat, gamer fat fat. He's not even strong man fat, he's just fat lol
>Lucifer sees Abel for the first time in his life after thousands of years>His depression intensifies realizing Abel became Adam jr.
>>154299030>Naturally, as Abel is Adam's son>Lucifer wishes he had a son who makes him proud like Adam does
>>154299030>Headcanon Alert
>>154299030lucifer doesn't give a fuck about anyone besides his wife and daughter
>>154299096He will care because that Abel came from his own balls.
>>154299146Why so obsessed with cucking?
>>154299170It’s the only explanation for Abel’s existence and I want Lucifer to suffer
>It’s the only explanation for Abel’s existence>Headcanon Alert
Oh God, not another serpent seed enthusiast retard. It takes a special brand of stupid to believe what Lucifer said was genuine.
>>154299170He has a fetish.
>>154299300It has to be or else Adam would’ve been the second human to enter heaven
>>154299396You think Adam never fathered humanity in the first place?
>>154299445He did. Starting with Cain.Normally the plot would have made Cain Lucifer’s bastard son.
>>154299513Humanity descends from Seth, who was born after Abel died.
>>154299445He made a whole conspiracy because Sera said that Adam was the first human soul in heaven. There are reasonable explanations, but he doesn't accept them. It could also have literally just been a slip in the writing. But no, it has to be serpent seed. He doesn't have the brain capacity to come up with any other explanations.
>>154299493The “reasonable” explanation of Adam dying first is really dumb. Abel died stupidly early.
>>154299535I mean, this is the guy that thinks Zestial is Cain. I'm not surprised he's a muh leaks guy and believes the Lilith in heaven is anything else except the real Lilith. Him believing serpent seed is not a far-fetch.
>>154299560I believe Zestial is Cain because of serpent seed.
>>154299605>Mega Retard Alert
>>154299605You think BOTH Cain and Abel are Lucifer's sons?
>>154299650he impregnated adam... of course... adamsapple real...
>>154299650No. I believe Abel is born from Lucifer’s seed and Cain was born from Adam’s seed. And Cain was cursed to look like the inhuman form of Abel when he became a sinner.
there's a sense of reassurance in knowing that the same person who believes Zestial is Cain and buys into the Serpent Seed theory also subscribes to the Lilith Eve doppelganger switch theory. Those takes are already a splid indicator of how skewed the media literacy is, which makes the wifeswap feel even less plausible.
>>154299898People who are still holding on to that don't want to accept that Lilith is a bad mom. Frankly, I'm excited to see how Viv is going to handle it. Mom issues are nothing to joke about. Hopefully she won't be just Stella 2.0,
This is my husbando, say something nice about him
>>154300030He's a nice straight Christian man.
>>154300030He's very blurry
>>154300030He was a huge baby that gave Lute a big round pregnant belly when she was carrying him.
what if viv pulls a jax with abel?
>>154300090That he's trans? Because no, he's not a 'red flag'
>>154299976Wouldn’t Lilith still be a bad mom as Rosie,
>>154300322Yup. But most of the fandom doesn't think so. If we're gonna get a bad mom regardless, i hope for the one where she isn't disguising herself, cold/distant/etc versus another Lucifer who's trying too hard or does the wrong things for the "right reasons".Based on what Erika has said, looks like its the former. Charlie only 'ever wanted her mother's love, affirmation and attention.' Also bc the Lilith-glazers will lose it. Remember when everyone thought Lilith was unable to answer the calls / texts? Looks like -she- was the one ignoring them out of her own will lewl
>>154300090Abel is canonically a straight ally per the latest pride month merch. Every other character also has an associated LGBT flag, and Millie’s sister from HB is the only trans character. Vivzie also has the belief that LGBT characters should be voiced by LGBT actors, so since Abel and other male characters aren’t voiced by trans or NB people, they’re not gonna switch in a whim.
>>154300428Wait so... Lute with Jessica, who's straight... Would that mean Lute is hetero ?
>>154300428Based viv being a chud disguised as woke.
Will we get Lute raping Able into giving her rough sex and calling her women slurs now that he stood up too her?
>>154300454Lute likes it uncut. Lute plays with Adam's foreskin and makes it talk like a puppet.
>>154300502Yeahhhhh I keep forgetting Jessica said Lute likes uncut cock lol
Adam would be vocal and obnoxious about how much better his primordial uncut cock is compared to his descendants who started cutting it.
How big is Adam's cock, i need to know...
>>154300549Yes! I have a chance with my beloved Lute! She can chew on it if she wants.
>>154300632He has a bitchbreaker. If you want to take it you'll need to practice.
>>154296181>>154296264Kesha and Patrick are not the A listers they used to be, their prime was over a decade ago hence why it was easier to get them paid. Gaga is still on top career wise so I don't expect her at all.
>>154300632Seventeen inches.
>>154298394>>154298548>>154298897KINGtosSCHOLAR!
>>154300851Where did our friends from /dbg/ go anyway?
Lute is the kind of woman who gets really excited about the idea of holding a guy's cock while he pees, so Adam gives her that as a reward, even though he doesn't get it.
>>154300938Imagine holding Adam's thick cock over the toilet and feeling hot jets of pee spurt out.
>>154300632marriage dick. big enough to be repeatedly satisfying, but small enough that it doesn't need pre-stretching or excessive lube on the woman's part and doesn't leave her sore afterwards unless he's intentionally rough. it's an underappreciated dick.
>>154300720>>154300782>>154300962what about abel's
>>154300979Softest pubic hair you've ever seen.
>>154301175>you will never cuddle up next to adam on a couch and pretend to be scared at a horror movie just to grab himwhy fucking live
>>154301295He'd fucking love that. Gets to tease you about being a scared little woman and he gets to play the big man you rely on to keep you safe. Catnip to him.
I love Adam so much, he makes me so happy, i want to kiss him, i miss him so much
What is his endgame?
>>154301373Daddy and mommy
>>154301373Being mothered by his Exorcist girls.
>>154301549>Emily goes down to hell for treachery >She gets easily replaced by an exorcist girl Lute thought was the best
The Exorcist halo is the only one with an eye in it.Maybe they’re supposed to be a special sort of souls too and gotten corrupted before it was allowed to happen.
Assuming Lute is Eve how would she feel about Abel dating Emily? Would she approve?
>>154301345Lute...
>>154301648After 9000 years of no game...It'd be cause for celebration
breastfeeding abel
Is /co/ a Serapherd general or a Holygates general?
>>154301648I think she wouldn't care or find them annoying.
>>154301771Mmmm elaborate.>>154301800Serapherd. Abel is straight.
has Abel ever given "crushing on Lute" vibes, because I'm not seeing it. idk what the lute x abel shippers are on
>>154301923i think it's just 'strong-willed woman x weak man (except when it counts)' types combined with people who really only ship lute with other people so they can fantasise about her talking about how she loves them so much more than she ever did adam.
Adam and Lute's relationship is more compelling when it's something they created themselves, not something arranged by Heaven.
>>154302082See I'm thinking if Lute IS Eve then Heaven forced them apart as part of Eve's punishment for letting evil into the world. Like she still has to be his helper and subordinate but she's unworthy of being his lover any more, and that's why Adam doesn't recognize her. There's no way he just forgot. The elders specifically meddled with him.However, they drift back together anyway, because they really do love each other.
>>154302137>However, they drift back together anyway, because they really do love each other.I think Adam was kept in the dark about it, but he suspected /something/, hence the smile he gives her at the end. There's a reason Viv wanted to integrate that in there.Skye: Oh, and this was a cute thing you added as well.Vivienne: Yeah, I wanted this moment with him smiling at her because, you know.Skye: In the board originally he was just glazed over.Vivienne: He was just dead.Skye: Yeah, but like Lute gets a little smile.Vivienne: He has like one tiny last feat with her.Sam: They've just had each other for so long. Yeah. I never thought it would happen.
Post Adam fat belly.
>>154302137I just don’t see it. The secret Sera knows is one Lute doesn’t want Adam to know.
>>154302217Yessir.
>>154302250>The secret Sera knows is one Lute doesn’t want Adam to know.That's... literally it? She's Eve. She doesn't want Adam to know. That's the secret.
>>154302258Glorious!
What did Lute mean by this
>>154302308no chin
>>154302308>Adam MUST be fatter!
>>154302137This would be an interesting way of exploring the Eve problem because it's feminist like Viv wants (of course it's not fucking fair to blame everything on the woman while praising and elevating the man) but at the same time... Adam is not the one doing these things to her. She's being crushed by the prejudices of society but her husband is not at fault and she still loves him. That's a more interesting feminist take on Eve than most.
>>154302347Absolutely. BIGGER!
>>154302270The lamest and stupidest thing ever. She would be more confident about it because of his centuries of simping on her. It’s something else. Something that would make Lute think it will make Adam hate her.
>>154302416>Adam is not the one doing these things to her.Nobody is saying he is tho. In fact, it's the opposite: he's the only that showed her respect and support. Nobody else takes her seriously.Lute:>has audition song is Salute by Little Mix>was said by Viv to embody 'feminine rage'>"isn't respected as much as she thinks she should be"She's already fulfilling specific aspects of feminism / lack of empowerment, which is the kind of thing Viv wants to address regarding the Adam and Eve story - how "it's fucked up that the woman is always blamed". Literally it's what happening to Lute. What's BEEN happening, but she had Adam to help. Now she doesn't. I think what they're going for is that it's the system's doing - we'll possibly prioritize how it affected Lilith and Lucifer, and then Lute/Eve and Adam being secondary. It's clear Adam was lowkey a victim in all this.
>>154302482Nope. She's Eve. It's pretty clear.He doesn't simp for her though. Just because they're Adam and Eve doesn't mean they're together romantically forever.>Something that would make Lute think it will make Adam hate her.She took the fruit and ruined their lives. Ofc she'd think Adam wouldn't be accepting.
>>154302485>Nobody is saying he is tho.Not in Hazbin, but I mean in comparison other feminist takes on the Adam and Eve story in pop culture which tend to be much less charitable to Adam.
>>154302500> She took the fruit and ruined their lives. Ofc she'd think Adam wouldn't be accepting.Oh yes. Because Adam and Eve wouldn’t have sorted it up if Eve wanted to during those centuries on earth.
>>154302557Cursed to agriculture for food
adam's pokemon team:emboarsnorlaxgengar (traded his machoke to lute for her haunter - since gengar loved snacks and pranks while machamp loved training with lute, they never traded back) garchompshaymin (only remnant left of eden)gyarados
>>154302679He strikes me as a 3 Dragonites a la Lance guy
Arceus Adam and Silvally Lute...
>>154302679Cute post
>>154302780Ho-oh Adam & Lugia Lute
Some princes don't become kingseven at the best of times i'm out of my miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiind
>>154303483Are you smelling that shit? Are you smelling that shit? EAU DE RESISTANCE!
My favorite va? It’s Patrick
>>154303419eh i feel more groudon adam and kyogre lute. it also tracks with lute being the more dangerous of the two (but holding herself back from the obvious sweep by her love for adam), and the flood that's coming now he's gone and there's nobody left to hold her back.
>>154303729Brightman. I do wanna hear Stump sing more.
>>154303732Lute commanding a Primal Kyogre to flood Pentagram City would be siiiiiiiiiick
>>154281513So on the Lute is Eve theory, does she know she is Eve or does she have amnesia?
>>154303729>>154303810Also, Vosk. Brightman and Vosk's duet in You Didn't Know is genuinely the best musical part in the entire show, they sound so fucking good together.
>>154303933The most common interpretation I see is Lute knows but Adam doesn't.
>>154303933why the fuck would she have amnesia?It's not complicated
I'm either or with Adam not knowing if Lute is Eve. One one hand, I could see him requesting for her to be his Lieutenant, being that he came up with the Exterminations in the first place. On the other, Jessica says Lute keeps walls up with /everyone/, including Adam since Lute only allowed those walls to come down when he died. That, and Sera's "There's a lot you don't know..." - i feel like her and Lute were working behind the scenes. plus why tf does Lute of all people have Lilith's number.
"I really think that you're going to see a lot of hopeful manipulation on Lute's part that might not always go her way, especially in that relationship, that dynamic especially. & that's all I can say, or I'll be killed."Who tf is Lute's VA talking about here? Lilith? Abel? Charlie?
Lute is grooming Abel as we speak
>>154304152Lute can't groom or manipulate for shit.
>>154304087Abel.
>>154304169You’re right. But Abel can.
Lute is fattening Abel as we speak.
>>154304210Emily is the original fattener
Sexy lean Eve.
>>154304750Seeing her in season 2 episode 2 at the beach makes Adam’s actions make too much sense.
>>154304842That's Lilith.
>>154303585I don’t think mania was *that* bad
she... she won...how does she do it bros?
>>154281652fpbp
>>154304210We got art of this?
>>154304990The OG Lilith doesn’t have that kind of pure Queen class. She was just a larper in a pretty dress.
>>154305204NTA see, this is the shit I'm talking about: the thing that confuses me is that people seem determined to give Eve all of Lilith's traits, motivations, & story functions while stripping those things away from Lilith herself. Sooo Eve is the regal, Queen, and Lilith *isn't*?jfc
>>154305313I think they want to make them both like that, but Lilith would be the 'good' queen and Eve would be the 'evil' queen... I agree, it's dumb.
>>154305344And they want them to be look physically identical, on top of that.
So would Eve be Charlie's aunt?
>>154305313Because Lucifer and Charlie are losers. The real Lilith is a loser too. If Eve cared about Charlie at all, Charlie would’ve ended up being a total queen too.
Amazon banking hard on Vivzie is kind of based, I find it really funny that she got five seasons basically right off the bat.
>>154305629that's a good sign... right?
>>154281513how that Lilith and Lucifer only had one child?i imagine them having sex non stop almost every day for like the first 2000 years or so after they get together and they only had one daughter in the last 200 years?
>>154305651Lilith is barren as dried up sand.
>>154305651My schizo theory is that she couldn't have kids. So they made a deal with Roo Evil to have Charlie.
>>154305689I would say Eve because Lilith might not even know about Roo. Just somewhat aware of its presence. And Lucifer being allured to Roo because of the pure power it has that the apple imagery is practically him worshipping it. He doesn’t even look at the bad it does and says it was just humanity mishandling a gift. Like maybe in the final season, the ties Lilith and Lucifer have with Roo is going to turn out to be absurdly bad because they become its last resort.
>>154305779Naw. Eve doing the same shit Roo is doing and serving as some ancient evil is lame.
>>154305830I don’t think Roo has an actual presence yet.At best, Eve would be kinda be its Speaker equivalent. Like how Vox, another tool of Roo, is used to copy the technologies of Heaven and bring them to hell. Roo wants whatever God is making. Including the humans and the angels.
>>154305917Roo Evil is the little red she-thing in episode 1. All the eyes throughout hell is her. She was also clearly in(?) the tree, in the apples.
inb4, no there are no 'Roo apples' throughout Hell or w/e
>>154305965I am expecting them to show up as a relevant plot element because it would be weird if there is only one of them. At least a cliff hanger of them in season 3 to hint towards the evil that’s yet to come.
>>154281513Let's be honest, when Lilith saw Lucifer naked, she started thinking about how to get back to heaven, even if she had to give her ass to Adam.
>>154306058Roo is most likely coming in season 4. it would be redundant to have two characters doing the same exact thing, being red and evil. Season 4 is also the gold season. so we're probably getting Lute Eve and Roo being a pos
>>154305636Yeah, don't worry, she won't disappoint us like Goose did.
>>154306095Both Adam and Lucifer were twinks though. So is she gonna take the twink that demanded control or the twink who actually lets her do what she wants? Going for the second one, obvs.
>Roo appleslmao fuck kind of moron came up with that load of shit
>>154305651Lucifer is impotent. Why do you think she made a deal to stay in Heaven?
>>154306177He's a Seraph. He can literally make life. He probably made Charlie.
>>154306150>Adam Twink>The guy who's almost two meters tall with facial hair and a man's hairstyleNice try, Lucicuck stan.
>>154295088She didn't make the story a trans allegory like another show that's clogging the catalogue
>>154306200Lucifer got impregnated?
>>154306234In Eden, I mean. Also just because he was tall doesn't mean he wasn't skinny as fuck? Look at the silhouette. Same shit going on with Striker.
>>154306129Nah. That would be dragging out the story of Lute for too long on basically the same seat. There should be a new villain in season 4 that is ultimately the result of Lute’s lack of mercy. Hmm… Emily would be perfect.
>>154306245I meant created her the same way Sera created adam and lilith. but sure, why not. Lilith impregnated him
>>154306270Lute's story IS meant to be big and it's been set up. Viv and Jessica confirmed she's got a lot going on.>"she's one of the angels that you see for one of those reasons, when it comes to the arc of what happens between Heaven & Hell.">Obviously we got Lute too. But Lute also is uh, I call her a sleeper villain. We set her up big and we know her goal, but she keeps being restricted, and she keeps being put into a box, and I think that's the point. She is a character that needs to simmer because she is like, a ticking time bomb. So she's the villain we establish, she is a villain, she's got problems. Here are what her problems are, here is how the world is not helping with those problems and we're going to see what that results in.”>We set her up huge, we felt her raw emotion of grief and rage after her words went unheard and disrespected. But she is still dutiful above all else. She has been bred to believe in the hierarchy of heaven and its authority. She is a character who's mental health is declining, so what is gained rushing her story? Cuz it was set up too much?She's not going to be on the backburner.
tbf ppl still be thinking that Lute has the Agent Stone / rando henchman character side quest going on when she's being set up as a big bad for season four. ppl don't pay attention.
>>154306369Fucking Vox had less set up than Lute did but it's apparently hard to believe she'll be a big bad lol
>>154306343I heard seasons 4 and 5 are supposed to dig into new realms. The ones Sera implied to exist in season 2.
>>154306453Where did you hear that?
>>154306369We already have two seasons of build up. The pay off would most likely be season 3.
I know Viv kind of alluded to "Super Hell", I assume that's related to Roo.
>>154306460I can’t remember but that’s one of the spaces where the Eldiritch family are from.
>>154306475Viv was asked specifically:Lute’s anger and her resistance to Heaven backing down from war is one of the bigger threads running through this season that hasn’t come to a finale yet. Is her story going to come to a head in Season three? Season four?>“I probably can't say definitively which season we’ll get a payoff, but I will say it's within those two. It always made sense that she probably won't have her authentic conclusion until later in the show. She’s the character with the most pent-up, the most built-up emotions, in terms of how she's treated, and her just witnessing all the other narratives between Heaven and Hell. So seeing all this change and development, and all that's going to happen over the course of the show is impacting her. and that's something I felt very strongly that we need to build to…”my guess is season three will have her doing fuck all again - more hints to the Lute Eve thing and then season four is mostly her season.
>>154306494No i mean, what interview / stream?
Fourth season is the gold season, third is the green and purple one.
>>154306558exactly. Gold = angel = Lute, who is all gold covered ( gold eyes, arm, blood stain... ) Plus Gravity's bg is just all gold
>>154306558season five goes back to red, so Roo.
>>154306522I actually think season 4 is supposed to be a cool off period and season 3 is the pay off period for Lute.There is a a lot of build up to her and “Lilith” being those that have a similar goals of destruction. And the Adam hallucination is themed to Lilith’s purple to suggest she is the true mastermind behind that. Because Gold is the color tied to redemption.
>>154306522.... soooo wait. Her VA reblogged the Lute being Eve thing, says a bunch of weird shit about who she's not who we think she is and Viv says this shit too?lol and people still think she ain't Eve ?
>>154306541I think it was something she written somewhere. The idea is that season 4 has the fun episodic adventures that were promised in the pilot and the show drafts.
>>154306628People want the evil doppleganger shit and still think the Lilith on the card and in the flashback isn't the real Lilith lmao
>>154306628There is more build up to Lilith being Eve than Lute being Eve.
>>154306703lol no there isn't.
Viv already confirmed that Lilith called Charlie and it's actually Lilith.
I think season 4 is good not because it’s from Lute or a villain. But it’s because that’s the point when the Hotel starts working and succeeding rapidly. And it feels like almost of the troubles and horrors are over.
>>154306740People are still in denial. something something the necklace, something something, the nose!11
>>154306740The context is that season 2 had Vox call in as a fake Charlie to Lucifer on the phone with a perfectly matching voice.What Viv means is that the Lilith ignoring the calls of Lucifer and Charlie is the one making the call to Charlie, not Vox or any other character that could copy her.
>>154306805>What Viv means is that the Lilith ignoring the calls of Lucifer and Charlie is the one making the call to Charlie,..... Correct. That's Lilith.
>>154306805>Vox call in as a fake Charlie to Lucifer on the phone with a perfectly matching voice.Literally nothing to do with that. The only person we've seen receiving calls from both Lucifer & Charlie is Lilith. So when someone eventually answers Charlie's call, it's Lilith. The show has gone out of its way to establish that's who Charlie has been trying to reach. Lilith is Lilith.
>>154306826>>154306865Lilith being someone else in disguise is supposed to be a twist.Viv denying she is the real Lilith before the reveal would be spoiling the show for an audience that is supposed to be deceived by her.
https://youtu.be/K6Nnl0Cu3CY?t=4776>> What kind of flowers do you associate with Charlie? What kind of flower would she be?>> Oh my god, That's a cool question. That is a cool question. Um, there's like these daisies that are like ah God, I forget, but they have like a black center. So, it's like this might be a little bit of a spoiler. It's like um like I have to find I don't know what they're called, but it's like the beautiful like white joyful little petals and then but like the the thing that they extend from is this like fuzzy rich dark velvet black.Why the fuck would Charlie's VA say this is a spoiler?
>>154307132Because Charlie is Roo's daughter, probably.
>>154307132Charlie is an extremely corrupted entity full of Roo’s essence.
>Lute in season 4 or 5 is in a situation where she must kill Vaggie but doesn’t want to.>She swings her sword and barley could stop herself from crying afterwards.
>>154307374Get that yurislop outta here. Lute doesn't love anyone else except Adam.
>>154307334Bingo.
>>154307683It’s not yuri. It’s a mother losing her daughter.
>>154307683She doesn't give a shit about her either way.
>>154307701I have that guess based on Lute losing her reds for golds. Suggesting that Roo is losing its hold on her without realizing it.Also, has anyone noticed that Emily’s dress has these tears at the hems at her dress now.
>>154306992 oh great, more of these people. Still going on about Rosie being Lilith being Eve huh
>>154307901Yes. I am. But I am angry because it was supposed to end at season 2 until the Vox nation attacked and took the slot instead.
>>154308015Nah. Lilith is just Lilith. This was already confirmed
Vivienne also said that if there's two different characters, then there's two different characters. Lilith is Lilith. She is her own distinct character in Eden. So that's one character taken. Meaning Rosie or Lute could be Eve. Pretty sure it's Lute since her voice actor requoted the theory
>>154308015vox is more important than that hag
>>154308132it is. she accidentally spoiled it, which is why she had to delete it. but ya know. fandom will cling to the Lilith clone Eve theory till season three
>>154308138God, the fact that Viv confirmed his story isn't overrrr. We're gonna get a spinoff on top of that. I like the funny television demon but enoughhhhh alreadyyyyyyyy
>>154308163Wouldn’t it also be a spoil for Lute to not be Eve because Eve in general is a mystery box
>>154308439the fuck... no? especially since she deleted the tweet.
>>154308439>Wouldn’t it also be a spoil for Lute to not be Evewhat
>>154308196No because nobody thinks Lute is Eve. Everyone goes on about the Lilith in the flashback being Eve. idk what fandom spaces you've been in, but that's the general assumption. It's fanon right now. That's why you'll find hundreds of Lilith Eve twin art and only what, 10, Lute being Eve fanarts.
>>154308439What planet are you on.
>>154308494The tweet is a ironic theory about Lute being Eve to then say it was definitely wrong.From the casual perspective that doesn’t look over much on the Lilith scenes, Lute being Eve is the natural assumption. So if that isn’t true, then that means there are far less spaces to look for Eve. You get what I mean?
>>154308618oh,, you're the guy who is reading that tweet a very specific weird way. nevermind.
>>154308563> That's why you'll find hundreds of Lilith Eve twin art and only what, 10, Lute being Eve fanarts.You just revealed there already is a good portion of people that already believed Lute is Eve. A deconfirmation on that before it even happens on the show would suck for them.
>>154308643yehh, I think he's so committed to his version of events that every new piece of information has to be twisted into supporting his fanfic somehow. They think the devil emoji was Vosk confirming Lute is a hellborn. I wouldn't bother.
>>154308677>You just revealed there already is a good portion of people that already believed Lute is EveAre you not reading.Lilith Eve wife switch twin art - hundredsLute Eve art - 10, at best.the fuck are you talking about.
>>154308700LMAO what?????
>>154308723Of course there is more art. The show itself actually has canon Lilith Eve art for the theorists to see.
>>154308776It's not canon. the 'dog nose', the necklace and the bangs are not evidence of anything. It's Lilith. ergo the most popular theory is Lilith Eve. it always has been based on the leaks. you're trying to act like Lute being Eve is something several people believe to the same scale as Lilith Eve to make it seem like Lilith being Eve is an insane twist. Lilith Eve is nothing more than based on shitty secondhand hearsay and that's what people have gotten attached to. Jessica already spoiled Lute being Eve. Everything else is pretty obvious.
>>154308700Sounds like projection to me.I over analyzed the thing I ignored for being a stupid vague devil emoji Twitter posts because you begged me to take it seriously. You couldn’t find anything in the show on where the twist can make sense so you used that thing instead.
O god Lilith being Eve and the Rosie being Lilith thing is such an fuck ass take. Thank god that's not gonna happen. We're gonna see how much of a shit mom Lilith really is.
>>154308844It’s going to happen just like Tranny Jax.
>>154308838>you begged me to take it seriously.Literally nobody begged you. You "did" so because everyone else did and you dissected it so backwards that I genuinely wonder if you can actually read.But then again, you also genuinely believe Cain is Zestial and that Abel is some crazy psychopath so your readings have zero merit regardless.
>>154308866Right because you also thought trans Jax was going to be a thing.>>154308838Plenty of evidence has been given to you. You don't care and throw a tantrum. Nobody bothers to give you anything anymore.
>>154308880>Cain is Zestial and that Abel is some crazy psychopathwait they beleive WHAT?
>>154308932OOOhhh it's that guy. yeah no i wouldn't waste my time.
>>154308880Okay. You deluded yourself into thinking I can’t read when my problem is that I read the rest of the text and quickly realized that the whole post is a joke on Lute is Eve being another Sans is Ness. A theory that is obviously wrong.Seriously, it’s like the majority of people alive become autistic because they can’t understand jokes or how they are set up and paid off.
>>154281513Never cared for how Lilith looks here. I prefer the Morticia Goth looking Mommy in the pilot. They made her fat, gave her a big ass bobble head and took away her black lipstick. Missing the platinum blonde too...
>>154282829desu it's p obvi
>>154290876he/they - mystery solved
>>154293214lmao
>>154308932They’re reframing the theories inappropriately on purpose.I said Abel doesn’t have pure intentions on being the head Exorcist and it’s even weird why he decided to be one when he does know two months ahead of time what they’re supposed to do. And him being allured by Lute and reciting her words because of her calls for revenge (Gravity) is a good indication of it. The back of his robe has a scar calling back to Adam’s death to indicate he is impacted by it and he’s hiding it very well.That and Abel is a rager who does a better job of it than Lute. With him smashing up his golf club. He also tosses his basket at the sinners after the Vox presentation. And his card is a call back to season 1 with his rainbows actually being the aftermath of an extermination, the flood.Cain being Zestial is a trail based on Abel’s hidden background.
>>154309216This is not helping you. In fact this just proves their point.Are you legit on drugs?
>>154309216>And his card is a call back to season 1 with his rainbows actually being the aftermath of an extermination, the flood. .what
>>154309216>Headcanon Alert
>>154309216.... okay yeah, if someone like you believes in the Lilith Eve thing then that reassures me it's not gonna be a thing.
>>154309302In season 1, when Charlie shows Adam pictures depicting an extermination, the papers omit a rainbow that goes over Adam like it does with Abel on the card.The flood Lute references is a Bible reference to the flood in Noah’s Ark. and after the great purge was performed, God forms a rainbow.
>>154309339Looks like season 3 is going to drive you insane then. Oh well.
>>154309373... o god, you really are crazy lmao
>>154309391Sure buddy, sure. You believe what ya wanna believe,
>>154309402I just rewatch the show and take notes.See it for yourself. It’s cool and but ridiculously abrupt: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kMy8W0j-Slw&t=28s&pp=2AEckAIB&ra=m
>>154309468Yeahhhhhhhhhh you need to take better notes pal. good luck with all that.
>>154309475The show runners have warned people that these little things and details you ignore are going to be surprisingly important.
>>154309510No shit. Jessica Vosk said this too regarding Lute. She's Eve.
>>154309510weren't you the moron who said that shit didn't matter. pick a lane. idiot.
>>154309554I paid close attention to Lute in the seasons. There’s nothing Eve about her. Abel is a massive blind spot for her and the Adam hallucination wants to convince her that Adam hates him…But you know what I have noticed. It’s not only that the Adam hallucination is spawned from a purple environment (obviously “Lilith” is behind it).It’s that Abel is reenacting an event where Eve was a danger to Abel himself and Adam had to protect him. That is legitimately scary. Notice how overly sour the Adam hallucination is afterwards (it’s not Lute, she is tricked by this damn to believe its words). “Lilith” is pissed off about Abel doing that. About Adam doing that to her in the past. And Abel is recalling this event when he looks at Lute and what he did.This “Lilith” is the same bitch that put her hands on Abel for being Lucifer’s bastard kid. And this bitch is using a vulnerable Lute to make Abel doubt Adam ever loved him. And you know what we have about “Lilith” in wifeswap leaks and in season 3 spoilers so far, the same things but done to Charlie and Lucifer instead.
>>154309964Lute is Eve.
>>154310052yehhh see what i told you? fanfic
>>154309964>Headcanon Alert
>>154310052Lilith (as the Adam hallucination) wouldn’t be pissed off by what Abel did.Eve (as the Adam hallucination) would. And you want to know the worst part about all of this…This means the Eve Adam brought back into his life was his son’s personal abuser.Like Adam. WTF are you thinking?
>>154310298Kay so Lute is Eve.
>>154310298What does that have to do with Lute being Eve
>>154310376No. Lute will be better than Eve. And Adam is going to stop enabling this toxic women’s shit. This is the real problem of his sexism, he heavily underplays the damages women do. >>154310423I think you need to understand this… The story of Adam and Eve in this show isn’t some tragic separation and a happy reunion. Adam is deceived into thinking he’s getting that with her. It’s a divorce he has to take because she’s going to hurt everyone and everything he loves. Charlie herself is learning this lesson in season 3 when she enables this same shit woman to ruin her life.
>>154310568Lute is Eve. Jessica spoiled it.>The story of Adam and Eve in this show isn’t some tragic separation and a happy reunion.Nobody said it was.>It’s a divorce he has to take because she’s going to hurt everyone and everything he lovesHe's dead.>She enables this same shit woman to ruin her life.That's Lilith.>Adam is deceived into thinking he’s getting that with her,Where did you get this spoiler/leak? I need a source.
>>154283169>Japanese are more respectful to the religious figure than the west where it originated fromBecoming more and more common these days.
>>154310568>I think you need to understand this…Matpat you need to understand that nobody gives a fuck about your schizo headcanons. Your takes are way off and lack logic.
>>154310568Right, so anyway. Lute is Eve.
>>154310568>Headcanon Alert
>>154310618Don't bother, this dude has a cuck fetish.
>>154310719Oh shit. Well now I feel stupid. Kay, tysm for letting me know. I'll just stop responding. Gives me weird vibes anyway.
>>154309116>"he/they">pfp makes them look like Kristen StewartThe fact that Hellaverse got made at all with such people must be a miracle...
A good fucking from the Original Dick would fix her. Genuinely. Get her too tired and content to do genocides.
>>154311447So why didn't he fuck her then
>>154311470He didn't know she wanted him + bet you five bucks Sera forbade him from fucking the exorcists or she'd take them away from him.
>>154311501Viv did say in an interview that Adam maybe never she cared that much, so idek
>>154311447Yes, but then they wouldn't be good exorcists. Them being raging femcel autists a la the Supreme Gentleman himself is why they're good exorcists.
>>154311558Vaggie latched onto the first bit of coochie she could get and never let go.
>>154311583TBdesu that would explain why she stays with Charlie despite everything Charlie puts her through.
>>154311601Stephanie B did say their dynamic was unhealthy. I'm hoping they break up for a bit.
>>154311558Well, we're never shown any indication he's fucking them. If he could he probably would and we'd see him with exorcists hanging off each arm. As it is they seem to be excluded from his dating pool.Adam is not good to the exorcists but his old school condescending sexism probably makes him treat them better than he would a male army. Sera probably recognized that he might have the capacity to be very cruel to male subordinates particularly if he felt they threatened his status.
Exorcists are enrichment for Adam's enclosure. He needs to have some ladies to order around else he gets bored and starts pacing in circles
Adam and Eve/Lute are God's exotic parrots and the Seraphim are the owners who took them on without understanding how you're supposed to care for them so now they're traumatised and destructive and the elder angels are just throwing their hands up and going wow, what is wrong with these birds
It's just occurred to me that Lute could be so anti-redemption because she was never forgiven the Original Sin. Why should some random Victorian guy get it when she doesn't?
>>154311987>Adam and Eve/Lute are God's exotic parrots
If she is Eve, then Sera surely must know. Why? Because there’s no other explanation why she would tolerate Lute’s whiny bullshit and freak out during Pentious’ trial as much as she did.
>>154292926>headcanons where people try to fill in the blanks on things we're not shownThis is pretty much the root cause of all the seething and butthurt over this show.
If Lute/Eve is forgiven in Season 4 what role will she play in Season 5?
>>154312656Sera probably knows. Emily, probably not.
Lute's redemption will be a mirror of the storybook with Charlie taking the role of Lucifer and approaching her.
>>154312942Instead of taking the apple she'll just take her hands.
>>154312942bingo! Complete with storybook style artwork.Her fate? Complete pardon, provided she spends the rest of eternity in Eden - pretty much where Lilith was at the beginning of the show. Alongside Sinner Adam? Maybe. Abel will visit her often, at least. No matter what happened, I know Abel loves his Mama (oh and he’s in for the breakdown of his life when he finds out Lute and potentially Sera pulled for so long)
>>154313382Forgiving the Original Sin will piss off Roo something fierce and make her throw a shit fit just in time for Season 5's plot.
Poetic that the guy with a hearing impairment refuses to listen to reason, the guy upstairs really does possess a sense of humour
>>154312823Probably something of a good guy now.
>>154312319That's just occurring to you now? Why do you think she's so pissed? Probably because she was told sin is irredeemable. Wait,, Sera what the fuck do you mean things are different now? That's not what you told me? "I want to trust them. But I trust you," as we zoom out to Lute's shaking fist in the center of the frame, as Abel looks at her all scared, and she hugs Emily? She'll hug Emily and trust the sinners but not Eve?? Hell no. You get the visual? Or When Emily was telling her that redemption is possible, and Lute looks at her all crazy, "Don't you DARE!" bit of an odd reaction, unless she's Eve And was told her entire life that redemption is not actually possible... " I have lost so much, I have endured."
>>154312656Of course she would know. Why wouldn't she?
>>154311259raph is one of the best animators in the hellaverse and genuinely is attracted to women the only reason there's tit physics on cherri and background female characters is because of raph
>>154313689you can also hear a weird almost snakelike hissing sound at that moment too.
>>154313711>tit physics on cherriSure, but it doesn't make up for the fact that Cherri is one of them.
Adam: (interrupting Charlie) “Let me stop you right there!”Abel: (stopping Lute) “Let me stop you right theeere!”Lute!Eve: (smashing the teeth down Roo’s throat) “LET ME STOP YOU RIGHT THEEEEEERRREEE!!”
>>154313689>>154313723I think it’s more about the afterlife instead of what happened on earth.So when Lute looks at sinners, they are people that have taken their chances for granted and remained satisfied about it.
>>154310691Yes
>>154315546I don't think so. She's the original sinner, and was probably never formally redeemed (just look at the Exorcists). Yet the humans who actively and knowingly choose bad, go to hell, have a chance of redemption. What the hell Sera?
>>154315738It’s quite simple. Lute and the Exorcists are not human. Eve and the sinners are human regardless if they wasted their first life.Lute’s idealogy is that “angels don’t make mistakes” meaning she is an angel that made a similar mistake as Eve. But unlike Eve, her and anything spawned from her will never have redemption.
Will Abel get fatter than Adam ?
>>154316008I'll make sure of it
>>154315986Lute is Eve.
>>154315986>Headcanon Alert
>>154316021Emily and Lute competing to make him bigger?
>>154316054And Peter (he doesn't care that Abel's straight)
>>154316071Abel doesn’t mind Peter spoiling him or rubbing his engorged gut. Abel’s too much of a glutton to care who feeds him.
>>154315986Oh my God mat pat shut the fuck up
>>154316008>>154316021>>154316054>>154316071>>154316096He only eats his dad's brand.
>>154313723Adam interacts with the snake, when Lucifer shapeshifts. Abel interacts with the snake during Emily's song to sir Pentious' , in the enclosure/cage and Lute makes that snake hissing sound.. Oh yeah, it's definitely the Eden family.
>>154316201Yup. Viv also put them in the same circle/category, that they have good rock voices and sound good together. Indirectly confirming that we're going to get a song with the three. It's definitely the Eden family.
>>154316201But anon.Lute is the snake. Eve only talked to a snake.
>>154316250>'B-b-buh a-a-anonnnn, 'm-m-muh twin Eve'Nobody gives a fuck matpat.
>>154316201100%. Jessica spoiled it, then had to delete it. It's really in your face, obvious... Those that want to make her an eve clone or a third companion are just cluttering everything in an effort to keep the twin switch theory based on hearsay leaks alive. Lilith is just Lilith, she's not the best. Mom, We already have confirmation of that. Lute is Eve, who's I'm half convinced is not hiding her identity, I feel like it's one of those things that it's going to be a surprise to the audience, like the whole thing with Husk. It's also not an identity switch, it's just an unsaid portion of her history that we're probably going to find out about in season 3.Lilith left, Eve stayed. It's that simple. One woman fights the system, the other upholds the system, and it destroys her. That's what we're seeing unfold. Adam's death was just the final nail in the coffin, the thing that sends her over the edge.
>>154316250>>154315986>>154310568>>154309964normies still going for the old ass leaks lol
>>154316333Eve was promised redemption when she left the garden and it’s the reason why humans are even encouraged to be good on the earth.If anything, Charlie alluding Lute to Eve in any way will greatly piss her off and turn her in a sobbing trainwreck.
>>154316115And various sweets. Adam is more into pizza and sugary soda.
>>154316333You mean to tell me Lilith the lady who was rallying hell for war and went to buy cigarettes for seven years isn't a great mom? Truly a shocking turn of events.
>>154316382I know, it's quite unexpected! The only possible explanation is that it's actually Eve every time she does something bad!! It can't possibly be Lilith, right guys? Guys?
>>154316382I love how, in her final call at the end of S2, even Charlie is kinda second-guessing her "My mom was all about peace and love" idealized version of her.
>>154316374>Eve was promised redemption when she left the garden>Headcanon Alerttake your fic somewhere else broski
>>154316355Pretty sure it's just MatPat. Not like any normies are gonna show up here.
>>154316404Charlie is literally the only one in denial. Everything and everyone else around her supports the notion that Lilith was out for blood. Lilith was always like this, Erika confirmed that in an interview, saying that Charlie has only ever wanted her mom's love and attention and affirmation. Meaning unless that it's the evil doppelganger Eve that raised her this entire time,,,, it's Lilith.Anyone who says otherwise is coping. Hardcore
>>154316394Rosie as Lilith is still a crap mom that uses a deranged serial killer of all things to be Charlie’s guardian.When it comes to being bad moms, Lute has surprisingly very tight competition between herself, Lilith Eve, and Rosie Lilith
Roo: (referring to Abel) “… such a gentle soul. It broke my heart that day I whispered to Cain to pick up that rock…”Lute!Eve: “… *what?”*Roo: “Now, I know that sounds bad—”(Lute!Eve drop kicks her right in the fucking face)
>>154316442Nobody believes that MatPat.
>>154316333yeah, I don't get why people want to make it so complicated. One rebels against Heaven, the other one is super loyal and is getting shit for it. Why do you think Vivienne said in that bluesky post that a big part of Lute's character is that she's loyal to Heaven, and then proceeded to delete that entire thread when It didn't give anything away about Lute? And then Jessica's talk about how she's not who we think she is, blah blah blah, Viv saying her Arc won't have its authentic conclusion until maybe season 3 or 4, blah blah blah Jessica really shot herself in the foot by reblogging the theory. It's pretty clear she's Eve LOL
>>154316456Nice
>>154316442Unless you're that schizo matpat or whatever, not a lot of people still believe the Rosie Lilith Eve thing. Season 2 and it's outside material have confirmed that the Lilith in heaven is in fact Lilith. In addition to that, in an a24 interview before season 1 aired, Viv said that if we see two characters, then they are at the very least, not each other. So that eliminates Lilith Rosie. I do agree with you, even if Lilith was Rosie and they were going that specific route, she'd still be a shit mom but, because she would hypothetically be doing this out of good intentions, or maybe because she was forced to take up a different identity, it would be seen in a less bad light. But yeah like I said, either way she's a shit mom. I would prefer her being intentionally bad and distant, maybe she never really had a knack for the mom thing, could never properly bond with Charlie, versus another Lucifer where she does things out of good intentions but it comes out all sorts of fucked up.
>>154316473Can't wait for the fandom to lose their shit when the reveal comes but everyone with half a brain will point out it was visible from a mile away. It will make Abel x Lute fans look pretty bad.
>>154316526It's going to make a lot of people look bad. Once you see it, you can't really unsee it, and people are getting kind of pissy about it because they're seeing it too. It's not just a one-off thing that Jessica said, it's several things. It's the evil/pilot Lucifer thing all over again. They already have a specific version of the story that they think or are certain is going to happen, and if it doesn't go their way, they're going to throw a tantrum. It's just the way of the fandoms. But yeah it's pretty fucking obvious? It's also a lot more fucking straightforward than... Lilith and Eve switch places either mutually or not, at a certain point in time and they took turns raising Charlie, or Lilith being stuck in Eve's necklace, or blah blah blah blah. It's annoying shit.
>>154316521Maybe her being replaced by Eve was a blessing in disguise for humankind. Lilith doesn't really strike me as an involved mom. Can't really tell how well humanity would have developed with her as an origin point.
I, for one, love the idea that Lilith is just... kind of a bad mom. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but I'm hoping she's something closer to a better-written Stella than the fandom expects. If I were writing purely for my own tastes, I'd probably lean full Mother GothelThat said, Lilith is obviously a very important character to Viv, and I don't think she's going to be written as irredeemably evil or malicious for the sake of it. My guess is that she never properly bonded with Charlie. Maybe she loved her, but wasn't emotionally available in the way Charlie needed. That would explain a lot about Charlie's need for validation and her constant desire to prove herself.Erika has also said Charlie is going to regress next season and damage some of her relationships, specifically because of Lilith. I find that way more interesting than Lilith secretly being perfect the entire time. Maybe she becomes a better mother by the end, maybe she doesn't.Better than having it so that every bad thing she's ever done is her ugly evil stepsister, Eve.
>>154316581Ehhhh. I mean we can say the same thing about Adam and Eve respectively. Adam was no ray of sunshine, if I had to guess. Both Adam and Lilith were probably stubborn ass dicks, insufferable to be around.
>>154316526Who do you think will suffer more? The Abel/Lute shippers, the 'likes guitarspear but hates Lute/Eve's people, the Rosie Lilith people or....?
>Cain: “Dad. The dragon ate Abel. It’s not really a big deal. He was never your son to begin with.”>Adam looks at the beast. Its head bruised with stones. He puts his hand under its chin. He knew it was Abel’s corpse. It had his wings.>Adam hits Cain to the ground and starts swinging at him.>The kids watch in horror of the scene >They were horrified of their dad, they hating on their dad. They screamed at him to stop.>When it was over, Adam banished Cain to the east. Most of Adam’s kids abandoned him and followed after Cain.>Cain took the girl Abel wanted to be with as his wife. Soon they made their stories of a man slaying a dragon and rescuing the girl from it.
>>154316743Abel/Lute will suffer most because people will accuse them of shipping incest.
>>154316442Lute is Eve
>>154316021No you wont.
>>154316688it makes sense - she ditched adam because she didn't want to become humanity's mother and wanted to be free to live her own life the way she wanted. some part of her was probably happy she and lucifer supposedly couldn't have kids. then boom, suddenly charlie. suddenly she's 'charlie's mom' now, and feels like her identity as lilith is slowly being lost to being 'charlie's mom'. lucifer says she can't do X because charlie needs her. lucifer says she can't do Y because it'd be a bad influence on charlie, and so on. i can see resentment growing, even if she knows it's not charlie's fault.
>>154316825That's already a much better story than 'eve trapped her in the necklace'!!111People really don't want to accept that Lilith is just a bad mom lol
>>154316743Abel/Lute will be mostly abandoned with the exception of those that will find it even hotter after the Eve=Lute reveal. Both GuitarSpear and Flowertunes will have a massive exodus but the ships will fuse into one and the community will stabilise itself prompting a lot of cute art post Eden and post entering heaven of the couple.The Rosie=Lilith and Lilith=Eve folk are kinda irrelevant. Here it's only MatPat that strongly believes that and once Lilith is revealed to not be the perfect mother/wife they will either drop the show or start writing fanfiction to course correct.
>>154316767No MatPat. Nobody cares about your fanfiction. That stuff sucks.
>>154316854>People really don't want to accept that Lilith is just a bad mom lol>"B-But if Lilith was a bad mother, how do you explain how Charlie turned out the way she did?"Because she's a dumb sheltered bitch who had the luxury of being nice.
>>154316866>Abel/Lute will be mostly abandoned with the exception of those that will find it even hotter after the Eve=Lute reveal.I feel like this is going to be like the Adam/Abel people. They exist, unfortunately, but you hardly really see them. Barf city.>The Rosie=Lilith and Lilith=Eve folk are kinda irrelevant.I think the only people I've seen genuinely believe this theory are the Lilith glazers, who for some reason don't want to think Lilith is capable of being so, so evil or whatever, or the people who ship Lucifer/Alastor, because they specifically want Lilith out of the picture. But they're less inclined to care, they just want her out by any means. Whether that means she's replaced by an evil doppelganger or she leaves on her own accord. It doesn't matter. I think there is like one or two people who are very adamant about it because of the old leaks and some streams and hearsay rumors from people Viv supposedly told the entire story of Hazbin which was years ago
>>154316889Lilith being emotionally distant and cold, and everything else that Erica implies, is actually the perfect psychological recipe to create a child just like Charlie. What a coincidence. But no yeah. Totally you guys, Lilith is a good perfect mom and everything bad that happens is because of her bitter twin sister, Eve!!!111
>>154316938Your seething about Lilith Eve is really bizarre.
Lilith / Eve / Rosie disguise has always been such an ass take.
>>154316959Your seething about Lute Eve is really bizarre.
>>154316968It’s Vivziepop. Her writing is literal fan fiction.
Didn't Rosie refer to herself as Auntie Rosie when talking to Charlie? I would totally believe she is a former angel or a creation of Lucifer's. She looks like a Lucifer lol
>>154316997She's a retard with massive brain damage, but she's not that retarded, surprisingly.
>>154316983He's legit coping LOL Just ignore him. He gets pissy when nobody else cares for the twin wife switch cuck theory.
>>154317005Adam also looks like a Lucifer.
>>154317068He really doesn't?
>>154317068Not seeing it buddy.
Why the fuck does Lilith look like Lucifer?
>>154317023She's not Gooseworx.
>>154317099I don't see a resemblance.
>>154317220Same slicked back hair. He looks so stupid.
>>154317080When he has the mask on.
>>154317231... He still doesn't.
>>154316801Some people have already thrown tantrums about it. But then again there's not many of those shippers around right now.
>>154317548I thought the biggest Abel tantrum-throwers were people who shipped him with St Peter and got incredibly upset when it turned out that he isn't a faggot like everyone else bar his old man
>>154317754I haven't seen many honestly, and then the very few that I have seen didn't seem to care either way. They're the most chill.
>>154317546truly depressing lack of adam/alastor porn fic, it's all preambles to radioapple or radiostatic.
>>154316889Oh my GOODNESS, thank you, finally someone said it!And she needs, I pray, Needs to be called out on this. By Vagi, by Lute!Eve, I don’t care, someone needs to read her for filth on this, because it explains all too many of her fuckups.
