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>>154405898>PeterLMAO
Lute being a Bug would really explain her reactions to Adam’s Virtue chick story.
Adam is so sexy
>>154405989Lute is bird themed.
I need them to be happy or I'll cry.
>>154405995
>>154405997
>>154405997The virtues are mantis-bird angels. Maybe the uniforms the Exorcist wear are supposed to represent exoskeletons.
adam pregnant pregnant adam
>>154405939What’s going on with them
>>154406224They smoked weed and sprayed someone with a water hose. They're trying to hide bloodshot weed eyes from sera
>>154405898The thing about the Insane MV getting a copyright strike is that it's the culmination of Gabriel and Viv's fall out. On Gabriel's side, he was enraged when he and the pilot crew were shafted in favor of Broadway. All of the cast had to be restrained over their disappointment but he let his anger slip out more than once. One of which being that he wanted Ed Bosco to feature in his pilot crew fan song but had to be denied because Viv would have fired him from voicing Striker. Gabriel had to delete this post but there is a long history of Viv being super petty and this tracks. Official Spindle employees worked on this MV and Viv implied on Bluesky that she was angry when she found out, which led to a lot of speculation that these people have been immediately fired. On Viv's side, she hates Gabriel because of allegations that he groomed his wife during the pony show era and his insistance to keep latching on to his pilot role. This is not the first time she threw shade at Gabriel over his fan songs and has denounced the canonicity of his songs with seethe. Her going as far to sic Amazon on fan content she doesn't like goes too far and I don't like the precedent sent. Amazon has no rights to Insane, a pilot era song, and Spindle employees animating this on their spare time should not be fired. That's Disney level shit.
>>154406446Okay. But why respond to the OP?
How would you fix the writing of Hazbin Hotel? One of the things I think would've helped is to show why Adam dislikes Charlie and her idea so much. Her parents literally fucked over all of creation the last time they were allowed into paradise. He might think her idea is to smuggle sinners into Heaven to achieve something of equal measure. >Charlie's nice thoughThe audience knows that, but Adam sees her as the daughter of the Prince of Lies and the woman who turned her nose up at God's plan.
>>154406513Lucifer corrupted Eve with kindness
Is emily or lute the ideal angelic gf/waifu and why?
>>154406475Fat fingers, was juggling writing this. I think the MV will get restored but this act of petty pisses me off.
>>154405898Saw the first episode, seemed kind of cool except for written by a reddit dyke and it shows. Thought it could have legs, but instead of someone buying it and making a show she made some shitty The Office with Invader Zim in it and I tuned out.
>>154406525>Headcanon Alert
>>154406620Depends on which true form is less disgusting
Exorcists are a name based on casting out evil spirits.Maybe Lute is supposed to be a core element of heaven that is corrupted because she would have been the biggest threat to Roo.
>>154406672Nobody really cares. They're both retarded.
>>154407007No. Jessica already spoiled it, she's Eve. I'm also leaning towards her being not only the first soldier, but the blueprint for the rest of the girls. That's why they have the X's over their eyes. Who better than to use to mold your Heaven made demon army then the first sinner herself.
>>154407865Nah. Eve is too weak.
What if the fruit offered Lute her beauty.
>>154407853They are but I'm following it up from the last thread anyways because this is the Hazbin thread and that's still on topic
>>154407962Nope! Jessica already spoiled that Lute is Eve. Hope this helps!
>>154406620>one will try to fix you>the other will try to make you worseI'm not telling you which one is which.
The entire main cast of Hazbin Hotel are so lame. Adam is a better hero character than any of them.
>>154409450He's not a hero tf
>>154409632He's my hero.
>>154409632He didn’t even eat the apple and willingly left paradise for a woman that was rejected by everyone.
>>154409848We actually still don't know that yet.
>>154409857And why do you think that. It’s not like the whole cast of Hazbin Hotel is composed of literal demons that have an elite angel at their side that treats Adam as if he was a blood stain. Oh wait.
>>154409895I meant we don't know if he ate the apple. Clearly he left with Eve.
>>154409908He never made a mistake. So he didn’t.
>>154409910Nope. We don't know if he ate the apple or not.
What I have noticed is that the picture of Lilith is of Eve’s appearance. There is a secret EVE spelled out in a season 2 card.Maybe there are two Eves in this show..
>>154410219No matpat
What’s one kind of creature that would be in a garden to pollinate its flowers and defend it. Bees and wasps.And what is the gender for them.Female aside from the ones meant to breed with the queen.
We are on the verge of a very exciting new matpat arc
>>154410578do tell
>>154410581Bee patient
>>154410578>>154410581>>154410607He developed a bug fetish.
>>154408125Are you on drugs?
>>154410691good fucking God, why? Is that about his Zestial shit?
>>154410723No dude he just does that when someone suggests an idea and he likes it. He's actually shockingly uncreative so his theories are a mashup of shit he heard that sounds cool. It's also why the Eve is Lillith with two Ls is a new thing that he only adopted recently. Somebody posted the board with the misspelled name and he took as a sign. Somehow people were talking about how Adam liked WASPs which evolved into bug talk so now he's convinced himself Exorcists are literally bug people.
>>154410756Good grief,
The most feared and longest living sinner in Hell is Zestial and he is themed to a scarecrow.Scarecrows are meant to scare away birds from the crops. The angels of heaven, the birds, are often too scared to even confront them.But Zestial is also a spider.And spiders are the prey of hornets. And Exorcists are the only predators of sinners that are themed to be female only, like hornets usually are.Why does he matter and why is he the most appropriate representative for sinners?Look at the map of the pride ring. It’s actually a worn out spider web. And in the middle of it, where it’s a little more obvious, is the Heaven Embossy. Someone from Heaven and Zestial might’ve met each other there. Lute most likely for all of the trauma.The whole pentagram city as we know it might’ve been made by Zestial before he slides away into the background. But the main purpose of the place is for Overlords like him to harvest the souls of sinners. This is quite interesting since the first guy to build a city is Cain, the first recorded murderer. And he made a city ultimately to fend off against outsiders. Maybe that’s the real purpose of the Overlords system and this city in general, to defend agaisnt the outsiders, being the angels of heaven. And this could explain why Zestial went with Carmilla. Because her gatherings of angelic weapons is essential for making the city more resilient.
>>154410770>Headcanon Alert
>>154410770>pride ringPentagram city.
>>154410756Uncreative people are those that don’t inspiration.
>>154410770>>154410780Nobody wants you here, you cancerous twat.
Weird thought to point in. Lute’s hair style reminds me of the other mother form coraline. And the whole twist of that character is that she starts off as human and then turns into her true spider form.
>>154410814Shut the fuck up matpat
>>154410780Spelling mistake
legit cannot wait for season three when this is revealed ,,, it's gonna be so good!
>>154410822Pocket Pussy Rib Wife
>>154410814So she's actually Eve if you believe Zestial is Cain and he's a spider like his mom. Thanks for the clarification. You heard him people Lute is Eve from the Story of the Garden of Eden.
>>154410829Optimally designed for manhandling during sex. Truly only the best for Adam.
>>154410814And the other mother has button eyes and one of Lute’s eyes looks like a button eye. And every exorcist mask has X marks that looks like stitching used to sew in the button eyes .
>>154410830Everyone knows that, of course! Her voice actor accidentally spoiled it on twitter...
>>154410844X on eyes could have a multitude of meanings. You're just hyper fixating here.
>>154410830Actually no.Lute is way more likely to be a wasp or hornet based on how her and her race operates.Although… This actually explains the inspiration for… Lillith Eve. And why Eve’s name is Changed to Lillith.She is Charlie’s “Other Mother”. At the start she would be quite nice and happy, bringing in the joys Lucifer always wanted. Being the idealized Lilith. Then later on, she becomes much more vicious, predatory, and abusive.
>Would you love me if I was a bug?
>Lilith Eve becomes a spider >Adam arrives to eat her alive
>>154410873I’m talking about them just in aesthetics since their faces all have a hand crafted and sewn look to them.
>>154410873(Not Matpat, just giving a general schizo comment) — to provide scripture: Matthew 5:29: "If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away." Remove the right eye if it causes you to sin... Throughout Scripture, the right hand (and by extension the right side) is associated with favor, strength, and authority. We could say the Exorcists have symbolically "removed" their own judgment. They don't decide what is righteous; Heaven does. They're executioners, not judges. They acknowledge that they're capable of sin. The mark is a constant reminder to deny themselves and obey their mission. They've figuratively given up part of themselves in service to Heaven. If Lute is Eve, then the symbolism becomes much more personal. Eve is the one who committed the first human sin. Having the right eye marked could function as a visual reminder of that guilt, as though she's eternally bearing the mark of someone who "should have gouged out the eye that caused her to stumble." That also meshes surprisingly well with Jessica Vosk describing Lute as a "demonic angel." She's a former human, now angel carrying the legacy of her first sin, as do her .. err... flock? offspring? kin? clones? In any case.. outwardly, she is one of Heaven's elite soldiers, inwardly the first sinner trying to atone through absolute devotion to Heaven. (schizo rant over: oh, and Lute is Eve!!)
>>154406837>implying you wouldn't do Emily's true formWeak.
>>154410879No MatPat.
>>154410885canonically adam absolutely would. virtue angels are praying mantises and he was bragging about banging one.
>>154410945Not MatPat. I was actually gonna suggest something similar to you. Since the whole eye cross thing feels very "Justice is blind" and that's kinda Adam's and Lute's whole thing. Also Lute is probably Eve.
>>154410898No vore pls.
>>154411023Yup!! Then there's Sam Haft saying/tweeting: “Not a coincidence but also not a reference — ‘eye for an eye’ is a concept that appears repeatedly in the Bible, about retributive justice. Lute and Adam both believe in this!” -> reminds me of what Sera said: "How could I trust in a justice so cruel and depraved?" meaning, she listened to Adam (and Lute, as she states they were *both* right about sinners, which makes it seem like they both suggested the exterminations to Sera) -> Adam and Eve (Lute) wanted to get back at Lucifer and Lilith or ... something, something... The inner machinations of my mind are an enigma - jk they're not, I'm just obsessed with this theory and I'm abt 90% convinced of it with each new thing we get
>>154411047and don't forget, when Sera says that, Lute's image specifically pops up. kinda feel like, whereas Adam came up with them in the first place, the idea of doing the Exterminations *annually* were her idea.
>>154410945Or she’s a queen bug denied her drone because she sinned.
>>154411030what if he eats her out and confirms spider has puss?
Found a fun fact. Drones quickly die after they mate with the Queen Hornet.
>>154411060Or Adam and Eve(Lute) are actually bugmen. They are a like a termite colony. Queen that makes new workers and King that just breeds with her.
>>154411065We already have enough spider genitals in the show.
Wait a minute. Season 3 has Angel dust and Val be extremely relevant and they are a spider and a moth.
>>154411088We might also see more of Angel's family so even more spider people.
>>154411101The key to season 3 was bug pill all along.
If Adam comes back would he be resurrected as the first Exorcist Drone?
>>154411005WTF I hate Adam now!?
>>154411147Did people seriously not know that. Adam is, canonically, a monster fucker. I bet you it was this chick
>>154411147Would you if it turns out Lute is a bug?
>>154405898This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS anmd HOMERSEXUALS
>>154411147He's even more awesome for doing that. Monster fucking is based.
So Vaggie will be a bug after all.
Kinda retarded idea but what if Sera forces Lute/Eve to keep Adam in the dark about her identity so they don't start mating again. What if both of them are still capable of having children and Sera knows the moment Adam finds out the truth they're gonna start doing what they do best (breeding) and flood heaven with a new race of beings that go against the natural order.
>>154411190She's Latino so she's already not qualifying for human.
>>154411193Maybe that was the original plan. That's why Lute is so pissed and wants revenge.
>>154411193>>154411199I’m on the fence of Lute being her own unique thing entirely.But… I think while OG winner Adam couldn’t breed… resurrected Adam could and it would drive Sera crazy
>>154410822Lute is Eve! Jessica requoted this and then deleted it
>Lucifer points out to Abel that he is a beautiful angel and Lute is a repulsive bug>Abel: Better than the woman you $&$$ed to make me.
>>154411260No MatPat. Take your cuck fantasies somewhere else.
>>154411257I think Lute will become Eve.
>>154411267Nope! She's Abel's mom. Hope this helps!
>>154411267She already is Eve. It's not rocket science.
>>154411266But I want to cuck Lucifer even harder than that.
>>154411278go read some quitarqueen or guitarprincess porn then like a normal person.
>>154411267No matpat . We don't care to hear it
>>154411278Nobody believes you MatPat. We know you're like Jax and have a cuck fetish.
>>154411158>HerOk, I take it back: I'll accept him being a monster fucker, but him fucking anything with a br*t*sh accent is verboten.
>>154411413adam/stella is great though
>>154411193Hmm, actually quite possible. I mean, Sinners can’t breed. We don’t know about Winners.Here’s the deal: Sera would *have* to know that Lute is Eve. If we go by the idea that Eve went to Hell when she first died (“I’ve witnessed first hand what demons are capable of…”), then there’s no way she could have got into Heaven without Sera’s know-how or permission.Plus, when you look at how she and Lute interact in front of Adam, and then how they interacted in private after Pentious’ trial, it implies a level of familiarity between the two. Hell, the way lute talks about Lilith with such visceral anger implies she knows the woman, too.Getting back to the point, it’s *unlikely* that Adam knew from what we’ve got to go on, though it’d be an additional tasty extra twist if he did and what Lute/Eve wanted to tell him was something else completely.But let’s say he didn’t know… why not? Why couldn’t he filled in? Maybe because Sera would know what a nightmare the two would be together… then again, why make Lute his second-in-command? Nah, there has to be something else. Maybe it really was because they’d start breeding again like rabbits and create a powerful nephilim-esque race that would overrun heaven. Let’s remember that Adam and Eve had hundreds of children; Eve probably has a reproductive system like a mole rat queen.I mean, unless anyone else has another reason to hide the truth from Adam…
>>154411451i wonder if the cost of eve getting to heaven was that her existence was erased from everyone in heaven (which is why lucifer and lilith still remember her). her objection to redemption is as much 'fuck those sinners' as it is 'why do you still get to be 'sir pentious' while i wasn't allowed to be eve?'. adam believes himself - and is widely believed to be, judging by how those winners in the background react to adam and lute's street shenanigans - single. nobody worries about what his wife would think about him being so close to that cute exorcist woman. abel doesn't recognise his own mom.
>>154411705Noo that's so sad. I hope they get back together.
>>154411705Oh yeah, I forgot about that cat person Winner who giggles at them being cute. The original Guitarspear shipper
>>154412273i like using that shot as proof that adam wasn't detested or feared in heaven, at least prior to the extermination reveal. people saw him in the streets in full uniform, with his right hand also in full uniform, having an intense conversation and thought 'oh aren't they cute?' or 'teehee, lover's spat!'.
>>154412610Winners instinctively like it when their primordial Mother and Father are together.
Adam would be into hmofa
>>154412880Shouldn't it be the other way around.
>>154412917Then we would be robbed of Adam's boner.
>>154412905What's that?
>>154412927Human male on female anthro
>>154412917In theory yes, but given the *ahem* proclivities of guitarspear shippers (i.e. yumes in all but name), Adam lustfully pursuing Lute makes perfect sense.
>>154412924He could still get a fear boner. Being scaroused is pretty common.
>>154412934Wonder if there's a lore accurate version with Lilith trying to do that to Adam. Like mother like daughter situation.
>>154411314Why would I even want Adam to pick up Lucifer’s trash? The only good thing Lucifer ever made was Abel.
>>154407865When did Jessica spoiled that??
>Abel is Loserfer’s sonMakes no sense, Abel looks just like Adam
>>154413215
>>154413154MatPat that's just your cuck headcanon. Abel's just Adam's disappointment of a son. Also Guitarqueen is hot.
>>154413210They’re just obsessed with a Twitter post and convinced themselves it’s actually the most important thing ever because the show itself doesn’t have strong Lute Eve support. Like, at all.The outcome to their path is Woody theory. They’re getting the Lute is Eve, but it’s not going to be the way they want her to be.
>>154413259No. Lucifer doesn't deserve to bear Adam's children.
>>154413279MatPat you randomly believe Zestial is Cain with no proof. Think a minor spelling mistake means we will have another character named Lilith but with an extra L. You seriously are so brain rotten from your cuck fetish that you think Abel is Lucifer's son. Shut the fuck up you headcanon merchant.
>>154413259not canon, Adam’s pussy is wayyy too good for Loserfer
>>154413260Adam shouldn’t ever go back to women that leave him to sex with the devil.
>>154413335Pretty sure Charlie ain't having sex with her dad. I know your into cuck shit but I assume you draw the line at incest. Also Adam banging Lilith ain't that controversial.
>>154413358>Pretty sure Charlie ain't having sex with her dad.Proof?
>>154413391Pretty sure Vaggie would kill herself if that was the case.
>>154413358You really need a dose of reality.I hate Lucifer, I hate Rosie Lilith, and I hate Lilith Eve. They all can die together in piss.
>>154413329adam having lesbian sex... hot as fuck...
>>154413441>I hate Lucifer You suck at showing it since you actually want him to get couchie. Him fumbling Lilith and getting abandoned is more devastating than whatever fanfic shit you write.>I hate Rosie Lilith Nope you love that shit theory because it's lines with the crap you like.>and I hate Lilith Eve Also wrong. You're the one weirdo here obsessed with it who actually wants it to be real. Which if you didn't notice is not a very good look. There's a reason we think you have a cuck fetish Mat.
>>154413215Lucifer is literally a shape shifter.I wouldn’t doubt Abel is using those powers on himself to do it.
>>154413502>Headcanon Alert
>>154413279Oh, thank goodness! I thought she'd said it in an interview and I'd somehow missed it lol
You guys should have seen his wack fnaf theories (he likes the funny bear franchise much like his namesake) or his darling in the franxx theory
>>154413325Zestial Cain is nothing like Lute Eve. Cain as if now had zero revealed appearances but Zestial so far matches with what should be expected of Cain if he did become a sinner. Including the murder methods of bashing skulls. Season 1 elaborately said Adam was the first human soul in heaven by sera’s mouth and Lucifer sexed Eve by Lucifer’s mouth. It’s pretty obvious to tell what and who Abel actually is. The son of the devil, an inhuman soul. It’s the same Abel that died before Adam. And this Abel was abused by his own biological mom because he came from Lu’s balls.Eve and Lucifer are bad people.
Every single one of you are schizophrenic
>>154413564It’s pointless. Those creators are too insane to make anything coherent.
>>154413210Here you go! It's quite exciting!https://x.com/cyjammy/status/1751608597929234504
>>154413587>Headcanon Alert
>>154413587You're right, it's not like Zestial Caine. Unlike that, Lute being Eve has actual proof and is very likely. Cry some more.
>>154405898Why has there been so man active Hazbin threads lately?A while back a thread would be up for three days and get 70 replies.I thought I was gonna have to wait gor the next season to get threads this active.
>>154413664He's gonna lose it one day and transition. He will truly become our Jax. We will call her Maddie Paddy.
>>154413616The cope lol
>>154413675I got bored and started making new threads. If you actually make one people tend to show up to talk.
>>154413640not the person u respond to but oh shit????!!!!!!!!!
>>154413705Jessica Vosk really can't contain herself can she lmao
>>154405898Hazbeen gaytel
>>154413716Can you really judge her? She's literally gonna be one of the biggest things in the show.
>>154413664Lilith Eve is right there. The Lute Eve premise falls apart extremely quickly.But with Eve changing her name to Lillith, it would make sense if Eve is a name for Lute to receive in the aftermath of the Lillith arc.
>>154413640But her liking a post doesn't really prove anything. It's like when one of the crew likes fan art or a ship, it doesn't automatically make it canon. So I wouldn't call that solid evidence.
>>154413735MatPat just shut up. I know you have a humiliation fetish but this is just depressing.
>>154413743Sure, by default you shouldn't take anything that any voice actor or actor or anyone that's not the creator as confirmation. But let's not be up to us and pretend it's the same thing. It was not a simple like. This was a post that she requoted, which is Twitter's equivalent to reblogging something, or sharing it, and commented on said shared post, with the little devil emoji. And then she deleted it a few days later. This indicates an NDA violation. If this were Amir, I wouldn't pay much mind to it, since he is known to purposefully troll : that's his whole gimmick. Jessica, on the other hand, does not do that. In fact she has actually spoiled some things for season 1 before the finale aired, including responding to a theory directly, much like she did here. She did not delete those despite being spoilers. This? Straight up deleted.... And if you look at all the other things she has said about Lute? Oh yeah, she's definitely Eve.
>>154413743You’re talking to Lute Eve people. They’re desperate for any breadcrumbs because they hate the other Eve theory that has more support in the show. Lilith Eve.
>>154413734It's also pretty on the nose and on brand with the usual character type she plays.. If she's Eve, then no wonder she's so hyped for this role. Lute isn't a random background character. She's even said that she has a character arc that spans for multiple episodes.. fun stuff.
>>154406446Who cares bronies are cringe
>>154413789** But let's not be obtuse
>>154413746It's kind of funny sad how he makes it seem like Lute Eve has no evidence of anything... And then prattles on about Lilith being Eve LMAO
>>154413804You do know Lute could have completely different origins from Eve and would have to undergo serious changes if she wants to be with Adam.
>>154413845She could be many things. All the characters can be many things. And, obviously. None of that negates my point though.
What song is Lute going to sing in season 4?
>>154413746He's literally so bitter because his dog crap theories don't have anything going for them, neither in the show or by Viv, the voice actors, the cast, etc
>>154413867At first I thought it was a duet with Adam. But it doesn't look like it says Alex Brightman on the top corner. Maybe another banger like gravity? We do know from Viv and Sam that we're getting an Abel, Adam and Lute song. Cough family song cough cough
>>154413798No MatPat.
>>154413640I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE, WHAT THE FUCK?? HOLY FUCK BALLS?? WHAT??!!!; OMLLLLL Why do I like this. Holy crap
>>154413867A love confession for Adam lol
>>154413798Lol he's calling them breadcrumbs now.
>>154413735...eh.Nah.
>>154413896Don’t get too excited… Eve is not what Lute is going to originally be. That’s the name Adam will give her.
>>154413918No MatPat. Stop spamming your fucking stupid headcanon fanfic.
>>154413918Lol no. It's pretty obvious she's the Genesis Eve. In addition to the things Jessica vosk has said.. Oh yeah, she's definitely Eve. Aren't you the retard that thinks Zestial is Cain or some shit? Okay, if you believe stupid shit like that... Then Lilith being definitely has no merit.
You guys weren't there for prime matpat, wifeswap and zestial cain, abel serpent seed is weak, he used to tack on Jesus Adam with wifeswap
>>154413944He's a nut job isn't he lol
>>154413640thanks so much for showing this???????????? I knew some weird shit was up with Lute. Holy shit. This explains so much,,,,,, oh my fucking god
Matpat please go back to hhg
>>154413966Read the whole OP post. It’s one of those things that sound like a good deal till you read the rest of the fine print.
>>154414004I did.
>>154413958He unironically belongs in the loony bin
>>154414032And I am telling you the (Definitely not) portion is exactly why she responded to it.The whole thing is a lot more confusing than it first looks.
>>154413995They banished him never to return eons ago, the Abelschizo persona was him trying on a paper thin disguise to get back
>>154414096.... The fuck are you talking about. No, it's not confusing. You're trying to make it seem confusing.
>>154414116The post is Lute is Eve but she’s definitely not Eve.That requires more insight into the show’s lore to get it.
>>154414096Are you high.
>>154413675Adam was revealed to be canon straight a few weeks ago and we have Lute!Eve theorists who want to talk./co/ is an Adam board.
>>154414136Yeah, you apparently lack that insight. When you look at the stuff that Jessica and Viv have said about Lute, it's pretty obvious.
>>154414161Don't bother. As you can see from his previous response: he genuinely thinks, or wants to think that Jessica went out of her way specifically to confirm that she is not, in fact, Eve, and then thinks she had to delete that. He probably has poor pragmatic inference... He can't read tone. He thinks the portion that's in parentheses is meant literally. Any and all evidence, he tries to shoehorn the Lilith Eve stuff forcefully. People stopped believing the hearsay leaks after season 2 because they've already debunked them.
>>154414150Now we just need Lute to be confirmed straight.
>>154414131You’re acting as though Vosk posted it instead of responding to it.
>>154414215Do you not know how Twitter works? That's exactly what happened. Did not simply "reply" to it. That's when you respond directly as a comment on the post. She requoted the post specifically to add her commentary. That's Twitter's equivalent to reblogging on Tumblr
>>154414150*canon straight ALLY at that. he supports his gay son (who is actually not gay).
>>154414247His son wants pussy. I don't know what gay Abel you're talking about rofl
>>154414185There were some pathetic copers with muh tree phone case it means muh eve
>>154414260It gets better... You have the: >Muh necklace!>Muh bangs!people lmao
>>154414161I go by the show and the shows says Lillith is actually Eve in disguise. Lute looks nothing like Eve, not even a single time.
>>154414288Lol
>>154414288I'm going to need the exact episode, quote and what character said with their own mouth: "Lilith is Eve." Thank you!
>>154414288Nobody knows what Eve looks like. She has not been revealed yet. The storybook was drawn by Charlie.
>>154414240You take tweeter so stupidly seriously. I don’t care. When it comes to people actually working on the show and teasing its plot points, they love to make it more confusing and don’t really care about tweeter culture at all.
>>154414288You don't go by the show. Your lore and take on the show is abysmally bad.
>>154414309The Lilith trading card. A picture is a thousand words.
>>154414320We do. The opening of the show in season 1 episode 1. Rewatch it. We know what Eve is supposed to look like.
>>154414327>they love to make it more confusing and don’t really care about tweeter culture at all.You are generalizing, which indicates you don't actually pay attention to the actors', respective reactions or mannerisms. Sure, some lie. Some exaggerate. Others tell it exactly how it is, which is why they get in trouble for it. There's a reason why Amir can say everything he says and none of it gets taken down.
>>154414343You were given arguments about that. You declined all of them. It's been said to you: that's your problem. Also this confirms that you are, in fact, illiterate because the card says Lilith. You're welcome!
>>154414362Nope! They've said that Charlie's narration is unreliable, including the visuals. Because she drew them. Lute is Eve: Jessica already spoiled it. You're welcome!
>>154414343>Criticizes for not going by the show >Uses the trading card>Criticizes because people aren't taking words literally>Trading card says Lilith, not EveRules for the, not for me ~
>>154414004>>154414096The fucking cope. MatPat just stop already.
>>154414254the joke that i'm making (as per the parenthesis) is that abel is not actually gay, but adam assumes he is.
>>154414197Yes.
>>154414430Thank you for explaining the parentheses. Hopefully some people learn what those mean in this context.
>>154414247>>154414254>>154414430Funny enough I imagine Adam had some gay kids with Eve back on earth and he still likes them more than Abel because he's a massive wuss. It's kinda funny.
>>154414470This is exactly it. I personally like to think that his entire family was more like him: Abel was the odd one out
>>154414460He won't.
>>154414368Eve and Lute are two different people. Eve changed her name to Lillith and is currently the main Lilith in seasons 1-3. And because that name is foregone, it can be given to someone else. Season 2 has Adam’s halo glowing to indicate he is alive and he shows up in the vaggie and Charlie fancy dress card, looking at their hands, because he’s thinking about his love life. Adam will give this name to Lute. And that is a massive spoiler.
>>154414470>>154414487>'hey dad i like girls instead of boys. killed a boar for lunch btw'>'cool'>'hey dad i'm a girl actually, also i skinned a crocodile to make this cool hat'>'your name is now azura, nice hat btw' >'daaad abel tripped and sprained his ankle on a lamb again'>'LORD give me strength'
>>154414562Nah. Lute is Eve. Jessica accidentally spoiled it. Hope this helps!
>>154414562>Season 2 has Adam’s halo glowing to indicate he is alive and he shows up in the vaggie and Charlie fancy dress card, looking at their hands, because he’s thinking about his love life.No. That's your HC. It's already been told to you that's not Adam. Stop making things up.
>>154414562>Adam will give this name to Lute. And that is a massive spoiler.LMAO THE COPEEEEE
>>154414562Go away matpat. Once again, your arguments have zero merit
>>154414600Read Genesis 3. Eve is a name that is given by Adam. Tossing it out and accepting it implies the woman divorces herself to him or submits to him as his wife.
>>154414562Wow. This is just.... This is just sad. Sometimes it's really funny but oof.
>>154414624That's great. So are you going by the show or not? The show is not a 1x1 retelling of the Bible. Also. Jessica spoiled it: Lute is Eve. Hopefully this helps!
>>154414645To give you an idea of prime matpat, picture how much he butchers the media he watches with his schizo hc and imagine him doing that to the bible itself
>>154414673Yeah I've pieced that together by now. I grew up In religion, and since then I've also studied other faith systems, to compare how they interpret things.. And his lore is way way way way off.
>>154414568Peak
>>154410945Wait, why does this go so hard
>>154414688Yeah he's basically a Biblical Larper.
>>154414568That's exactly what we're going to see in the flashbacks hehe
>>154414707He's just a larper in general lol
>>154414716Man the Adam haters are gonna be on suicide watch after that.
>>154414688You never held the heart of God. All that comes out of you is darkness.
>>154414804What you're saying really doesn't matter much when I'm pretty sure you're the Antichrist.
>>154415024Since when does the Anti-Christ have faith on the God of Israel and his power?
Btw Matpat once claimed that God and Huangdi/The yellow emperor are one and the same
>>154415143>IsraelYup definitely the Antichrist
>>154415169It’s actually Shangdi. The most high God in China that lacks the idols and has the Jewish animal sacrifices for sins.
>>154415199Case in point
>>154415195Have you read the books at all?He calls himself the God of Israel all across the old testament and wrote love poems about hating Israel for being a whore for other gods and stripping her naked.
>>154415199Sounds like something the Antichrist would say.
i want to put my face between adam's moobs and go BLBLBLBLBLBLBLB
>>154415222Yup we get it's buddy you're the Antichrist. Probably things got messed up when you developed autism so you just spend all your time on the internet being a loser. It's that why you're so obsessed with Hazbin? You also dislike Charlie because her existence makes you feel like trooning out since a female equivalent of yourself has friends and an a actual girlfriend? Does that make you jealous?
>>154415318Reminder that by his own admission his older brother trooned out
>>154415238
>>154415318A lot of times I almost completely forget about the hell characters because they’re just a batch of evil homosexuals.
>>154415238>>154415341You might drown
>>154415341Anon that's not milk that's liquid fat>>154415238>GRABBIN' A SHOT
>>154415238Me…
What if Adam was pregnant the entirety of season 1
Hell is Forever
>>154415498Niffty must die if true
>>154415504Good thing I only appreciate gals from Heaven then.
>>154415540Verosika and rosie are wife material
I think the glow we see in Lillith’s necklace is actually Rosie/Lilith’s soul. So at any time Lilith tries to do something, she’ll flat out be killed by simply crushing the necklace.That is the object Lilith wants to find via Alastor.
>>154415734>Headcanon Alert
If we're all wrong and Lute is NOT Eve then where is Lute's storyline going?
>>154415810Adam showing up and making her change because he witnessed her secrets from the background.
>>154415826Any suggestions from someone who isn't Matpat?
>>154415498GOD I FUCKING WISH>>154415504beautiful man....
Lute meeting Sinner Adam and changing her mind on demons
A virtue angel is a praying mantis. Meaning garden themes.
>>154415810from what i've seen of the emi/vaggilute shippers it's realising she's better off without that horrible nasty man and hooking up with a woman she'll spend the rest of her life apologising to for being so stupid as to find anything about that man to like.
>>154415810They discover that he can be resurrected from his little halo she wears on her prosthetic arm and she brings him back, gets banned from reentry to heaven, but they have a lovey dovey reunion and settle down together in hell and have a bunch of kids together
>>154415896Very tired of this shit.
Lute has to end up with Adam because if she had sex with anyone else it would be weird that she had his halo on her arm
>>154415914t. Lucifer
>>154415927Lucifer wants Adam in Hell.
>>154411705Ehh, close, but I just find the whole 'erasure from existence' trope tends to raise more questions than answer them. It's hard to erase Eve when Adam's there and a big deal. People would ask questions about where she is.Honestly, I think a cleaner explanation would be that they gathered she just went to hell for the whole apple thing ("harsh... but she did take the apple though" would be the general consensus), which I'm guessing she actually did, which is how Lute knows "first hand" how bad demons can be.And because redemption wasn't thought possible, Sera knew it'd be impossible to explain how Eve just showed up here, not to mention the weight of her name would be used against her. So she probably gathered it best to create a new identity for Eve so she could start again in her new role.Then, when Pentious showed up, well, the ruse had been kept up for too long. With the revelation of the exterminations had already shaken heaven, the last thing they needed was to reveal where Eve really was all this time.As for questioning what Adam's wife would think of him dicking around, well, the consensus would probably be that he's been apart from his wife for thousands of years; he's allowed to move on.Now, as for Abel not recognising her. Let's not forget he died at a fairly young age and has been in Heaven the longest, second only to his father. Being estranged for That long means he's probably gonna struggle to remember what she looked like, which is tragic. Now bleach Eve bone white and cut her long hair down to that fuckass bob, and yeah, I could see Abel not recognising her.As for Adam still not being told, maybe Sera just thought she couldn't trust him with the truth. I dunno, we'll see.Honestly, the whole state of affairs is kinda why I almost want Abel to be Lucifer's son, because he's then the only Eden family member around who can probably read Lucifer for filth without any of his own baggage and blame.
>>154415959> Abel: "You think you've got mom issues?! I can't even remember what my mom looks like, Charlie!! Who the fuck are you?!"
>>154415933Ehh no. Why would he?
>>154415959>Honestly, the whole state of affairs is kinda why I almost want Abel to be Lucifer's son, because he's then the only Eden family member around who can probably read Lucifer for filth without any of his own baggage and blame.This part really doesn't make much sense.
>>154415959I don’t think Eve was punished with hell for the Apple thing. The situation her and the sinners should be around the same or else it shatters Adam’s hopes of even being with Eve and his message in Hell is forever.
>>154415933get this shit out of here lucifer will NEVER be good enough to deserve the adamussy.
>>154415988To separate Adam from the winners he raised and have joys in Adam being forced to stay with the sinners forever.You really need to think more
>>154416008Yeah. Abel would have tons of baggage just from Eve abusing him for being the literal serpent seed.
>>154416083i changed my mind lucifer earned access to the adamussy once specifically to produce abel.
>>154416083Yeah, no, you're right. I think I phrased it wrong. I think it's more that being Lucifer's song would put him in the best position than anyone to call the old man out for all he's done. It wasn't his (Abel) fault and he had to live with the consequences.If Lucifer, now that an uneasy peace has been established, tries to reach out to Abel, I hope the latter properly gives him the Herb Kazzaz special by reading him for utter filth.> "You took advantage of my mother and ruined her life. I will never see her again because of what you did. And I will *never* forgive you for that. Now get the *fuck* out of my apartment."
Adamussy belong to me
>>154416047Brother Lucifer hates almost all of the humans in his kingdom. Having Adam be a permanent resident and stir up trouble would be a nightmare for him. Lucifer is the type of piece of shit to mess something up and lock himself in his room so he does not have to deal with it. Sinner Adam can't be harmed by him so Adam can destroy his property and harass him with no repercussions.
>>154415914Tired of what? They're a cute couple
>>154416083>>154416188Yeah no serpent seed is dogshit and not happening. Lucifer doesn't need to be an extra absentee father to be a piece of shit. He already a massive piece of shit for dooming humanity and acting like it's their fault.
>>154416193Lute
>>154416188I only see Abel getting that way when someone spills the Devil bastard son thing out. Lilith of course. And Charlie and Emily being the idiots they are would be hyped about it. .
Hope lilith had a motherfuckin queen of hell song on her debut in s3
>>154416257Lucifer would have no choice in the matter and probably wanted to take Abel for himself since the start.
>>154416278Can you stop with your weird ass fanfic?
>>154416264alpha lute giving omega adam a mating press and filling him with her babies.
>>154416188>Lucifer does a rock song to try to get Abel to his side.>Fails miserably
>>154416294
I won't drop the show if Lute turns out to not be Eve but there's a long laundry list of especially annoying people on Twitter I would like to see humbled if it does turn out to be true
>>154416291This is Woobie Lucifer we’re talking about. Viv will make him do the worst things possible and make him misunderstood and pathetic.
Serpent seed guy can you please fuck off you're encouraging MatPat.
>>154416324Except she's not gonna have him do something that extreme or controversial.
>>154416310Lute not being Eve means a much cooler true form for Adam to witness and accept.
>>154416294Total garbageBack to wattpad with you
>>154416310I would be excited for the Redditors meltdown.
>>154416336Lucifer flat out admitted what he did in the first season 1 and it explains the Abel not being the first human winner situation perfectly.His intro is about him gaslighting Eve to eat a fruit that corrupted her. And the whole thing is played off as him acting like mankind took a wonderful gift and misused it. Him scoring Eve is no different to him.
>>154416387>Headcanon Alert
>>154416310Please post more cute adam/lutes
>>154416449Aye aye cap'n
>>154416449
>>154416465
>>154416476
>>154416465>>154416476>>154416494CUTE!!! >>154416466god i wish that were me>>154416486cute!!
>Bug Lute has the queen bug instinct of breeding continuously forever
>>154416508
>tumblrgay themed show>main lesbian couple (chaggie) is toxic as fuck>main gay couple (val/angel) is literally a pimp/ho dynamic>best and cutest couple is a straight pair of bloodthirsty villiansWhat did viv mean by this?
>>154416643The gay couple are husk and Angel
>>154416643Art always imitates real life.
>>154406715The Helluva thread is over there
I'm a fag, if Lute is Eve, why did she change her name? And what about the implication Lucifer said when his "second wife" also wanted what he had too? Did Lute fuck Lucifer?
There is actually one character I am starting to think about that matches Lute a lot.Tak from Invader Zim. She even has the mouth that looks like it’s stitched together.
>>154416788The answers to that first question will be pure fanon. So don’t bother.
>>154416831fuck that give me your fanon
>>154416831Aren't you the guy who thinks Adam will rename Lute to Eve and the original Eve will rename herself Lillith?
>>154416270i>>154416299Fuck, I can see Abel punching Lucifer in the fucking face.And if, as someone theorized on another thread, Lute and Abel have taken time to get to know each other (especially if Abel got her off the hook for her actions at the end of season 2), the whole incident might push him closer to Lute.After the incident, we cut to Abel in a sheep field outside his home. He's hiding in a small grotto, like the ones he used to hide in when he was a scared child on earth. He's with his sheep, trying to make himself as small as possible, silently crying his eyes out.Someone approaches the entrance. The audience might be inclined to think it's Emily, but it's Lute. Of course she'd know to find him here, just like when he was a child.She enters and slowly approaches his side. She says nothing, just brushes away his tears and takes him into an embrace.Abel melts into it at first, but then he realises something that sends a chill down his spine, and his eyes pop open wide. He recognises this hug too well.Ba-boom, cliffhanger ending.
>>154416788>Did Lute fuck Lucifer?I think he's probably lying or messing with Adam since doesn't know where Eve is.
>>154416788>why did she change her name?It's a punishment from Heaven and Adam isn't allowed to know who she is as part of it.>And what about the implication Lucifer said when his "second wife" also wanted what he had too? Did Lute fuck Lucifer?This is referring to the apple but Lucifer is being a cunt about it as expected. We don't know if she actually fucked him.
You think Caine is in hell or still walking the Earth?
>>154416893The second one is connected to a Lillith poster Viv officially made that has Eve’s silhouette and the whiteboard with the circled Lillith that has a long ROOOOOOooooooo above it.
>>154416921If he's in Hell, I imagined Adam gave him his mark so he'll always be spared; he can live with his consequences until the end of time.If he's on Earth, I imagine he's reached a place of peace, having played the role of various historical figures but having come to the realisation there's only so much that can be done.
>>154416921he's in the amazing digital circus!
>>154416831LMAO this guy thinks Zestial is Caine, that Abel wants revenge and will go psycho on the sinners by the way. But yeah, the Lute Eve theorists are the ones using fanon Matpat shut the fuck up
>>154416950It’s kinda odd that out of the overlords, Zestial is the only one always covering his head.That’s normally the spot people can identify Cain’s mark.
>>154417023Oh my fucking god. No, you batshit retarded red-neck twat. Zestial is not Cain.
>>154417023No MatPat. Fuck off with your shitty fanfic.
>>154417035I just said Cain is known for having a mark on his head and Zestial happens to be the only consistent sinner always obscuring his head.
>>154417099You're not slick. Shut the fuck up already.
>>154417099You're fucking obvious MatPat.
Serpent seed fags are the fucking worst.
>>154417160Hate the fujo not the player.
>>154417181Ehh if it's Lucifer getting his boy pussy destroyed by Adam and forced to bear the shame of carrying a child in his boy womb I'm fine with it.
I support Lute being Eve bc not only doesn't make the most sense, but we'll see the collapse of many, many, many types of insufferable fans. Including people like matpat, the holyblade fags, and the lesbian Lute larpers
>>154417181us fujos are innocently impregnating adam without claiming it's canon leave us out of it. this guy thinks lucifer knocked up eve which stops making sense the second you remember cain was the older brother and born outside of eden, while at that point lucifer was trapped in the pride ring.
>>154417216Yup. The reactions would be amazing. The meltdowns. The humiliation of the hea
You know what’s weird. Niffty is a roach and she talks about killing the roach queen to build up to her killing Adam.
>>154417216we'll also get to see the rare shipping event of 'these are all the same fucking people why are you fighting' with guitarspear fans who hate flowertunes and flowertunes fans who hate guitarspear.
>>154417219Abel is the the first son of Adam according to some insider reviewer. He’s older than Cain.
>>154417250Interview link or proof?
>>154417241It's more like those two shipping groups will suffer some exodus but will eventually fuse into something new after they stabilise. GuitarRib.
>>154417241This will be very entertaining if it happens. Rare and unusual shipping event
>>154417279I'm genuinely curious how it will go down.
>>154417241Cuz the image they've conjured up of who Eve is meant to be won't fit with the reality. Like, jarringly so.>>154417266GuitarRib. Noice. How about these?RibRock.Ribtunes.The OTP. (original true pairing)
>Abel when he was born.>Eve: An abomination >Cain when he was born>Eve: God given me a man
>>154417306
>>154417257It's funny, because I (a Lute/Eve schizo) was the one who provided the link, and he's latched onto it ever since. It's funny that he tries to talk shit on me by saying I trust voice actor or creator/crew interviews, to what Collider says
>>154411193Imagine if, after Abel says something whiny and non-commital, Lute reveals her true identity by saying something like, "I can't believe I suffered the pain of childbirth just to spawn a pussy like him."
>>154417323>Headcanon Alert
I think what gets me most about certain (but not all) flowertunes shippers is how dismissive they are of Lute. They're quite insistent she never knew the 'real Adam' only Eve knew and she has no right to be grieving so violently. It tracks very nicely with the whole 'feminine rage' thing I suspect Viv is going for with Eve always being belittled and pushed aside.
>>154417358They're gonna have an ulcer when it turns out she IS Eve.
>>154417340Yup. Most definitely. I kinda imagined that he was the black sheep of the family ( no serpent seed bullshit MatPat) because of how weak and meek he was. Cain being actually more favoured by his parents and his exile actually affecting them more would be an interesting change.
>>154417340I mean, it'd be hilarious, but I just can't imagine this going for the joke with this gamechanging reveal. Still funny to think about though.
>>154417395Maybe after the reveal? Like hallucination Adam spills the beans and we have a big break before we get the joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EOJBgDR5HYFirst things first, I know this is AI-generated and don't blame folks for dismissing out of hand, but damn does it sound good. The fact it's a female over and done in a very heavy metal rock style just makes me think, 'This is what it'd roughly sound like if Lute sung this post-reveal'.
>>154417340>I can't believe I suffered the pain of childbirth just to spawn a pussy like him.And since childbirth being painful was part of the punishment for taking the apple, every time she had a kid, she would be cursing Lucifer and herself for getting her into such a situation. Considering she had hundreds of children, it's no surprise she'd be desperate to double-kill all the ones who fucked up enough to waste the chances at life she gave them.
>>154417413I feel like Abel already knows.
>>154417471No MatPat. Your cuck fantasies have no relation to the story. Stop being a weirdo.
I’m so tired of this cancerous mentality over Abel. His mother is a bully. And Abel lost his life for trusting his brother once. He never gotten to get the full life he wanted. And he’s putting down his little secure second life to be the Head Exorcist after knowing full well the sinners killed his dad and how dangerious they’re really are.
>>154417501That's just your shitty headcanon MatPat. You being this fucking delusional has no relation to the show. Write a book and stop wasting our time.
Abel was a big back, Adam nearly died when he gave birth to him
>>154417548Eve used her teeth to sever the umbilical cord and ate the placenta after
>>154413430Good
>>154417501>Headcanon Alert
>>154417548>backBaby
>>154417548Abel doesn't strike me as the type to be a big baby.
>>154417571Pretty sure Adam did that if were going with the canon Eve gave birth to children.
Adam and Eve fighting over the placenta like dogs with a rope
>>154417627Hot
>>154417662Nah they were celebrating. You get a baby and a free snack. I can imagine the two of them munching happily while covered in blood.
>>154417571>>154417662>>154417692she cooks it into a nice plasagna.https://youtu.be/-LhgJjicMz8?si=AHy1p87btPFYa4Ml&t=128
>>154417692Cute stupid animals
But Adam is a guy…
>>154417741Their only example on how to do things were the animals of the garden. Plus placentas aren't that gross. Seen one get pushed out of a woman after she gave birth. She had a boy.
>>154417789Well? Did you eat it or did you just let it go to waste??
>>154417813They took it to extract the stem cells. Can be useful later on.
>>154417821Placenta eating?
>>154416661Husk and verosika will meet and fix each other and have a happy family with their succubus catgirl daughtersValentino and Angeldust were made for each other
>>154417821Breeding fetish with caveman vibes?
>>154417841no, mpreg
>>154417832It's more useful if the mother eats it for valuable nutrients when breastfeeding.
>>154417832yeah they're kinda just a fleshy blood UI to transfer hormones and blood etc from the mother to the baby.
>>154417662This is what I'm getting at when people try to argue "but Lute's personality just feels so at odds with what Eve would be like", and I'm, like, really?No, they just have a very conventional idea of what Eve must be like: quiet, submissive, klutzy airhead, etc. The one who truly "understood" their fictional take of Adam.Think about it: maybe Eve started off as a very gentle flower valley girl in the garden, but once she left, she had to raise her children in prehistoric earth, fending off dangerous predators in the night, etc. All while bearing the knowledge that this was pretty much all her fault. Of course, that would have forged an incredibly tough, callous woman, which is exactly what present day Lute is.
>>154417850This one is extremely based
>>154417861Maybe back during the old days but now those stem cells can come in handy for a lot of useful stuff.
>>154417854oh honey mpreg is so basic it's formed entire subgenres specifically about each type of mpreg (omegaverse, magic shapeshifting duderus, forming in the butt just don't think about it, trans men etc). it's okay we all love adam's childbearing hips here.
>>154417898Exactly. I don't understand people not getting that. That's literally the natural progression of her character. Those events shaped her into someone new but stronger than the woman tricked in the garden. Also Viv will get to pat herself on back for turning Eve into a strong female character. Except here you can actually justify it.
>>154417899>long hair adamoh my gosh new favourite adam unlocked.
>>154417899Imagine the small
>>154418007*smellGod I’m retarded
>>154417978That's realistically the hairdo he'd rock for a while after getting kicked from the Garden. Till they can make stone knives sharp enough or find obsidian glass.
>>154417910The first two are my favorite/the ones I like
My man gives me shit for wanting to eat my placenta but you know what, my meat my treat. I think I'd blend it into a chilled smoothie with berries and stuff
My tiny adam mated with my tiny lute..
>>154417941People expect Eve to act like a mother. Even just a bad mother.
>>154418068Be nice and share it with him.
>>154418086Peak
>>154418089You can't exactly act like a mother when you're actively hiding your identity and doing that would reveal who you are. You can't be that stupid not to understand that concept.
Abel is voiced by Patrick Stump yeah? Who will voice Cain? Gerard Way?
>>154418135It’s easy. All she has to do is call the sinners a disappoint to heaven and other things. Instead her mind and reason for nearly everything is all military mode.
>>154417898Yes, exactly this. It's also weird because sometimes I see flowertunes wanting Roo/Eve to happen. Meaning, they want Eve to go berserk and grieve and enact revenge... Which is... exactly... what Lute... is doing?
>>154418174You never heard of the concept of disowning children to the extent you pretend they are not even related to you. You'd seem like a perfect example of that concept.
>>154418089She's literally acting like a bad mother. Just because she's not doting on Abel or calling him 'son' - or whatever term of endearment, doesn't mean shit. In fact: 'He's weak. He's nothing like you' sounds VERY much like something a disappointed parent would say.
>>154418147Actually:Q: What would a dream song be with Billy Joe Armstrong [ Green Day, ] Gerard Way [ My Chemical Romance ] and Brendon Urie [ Panic! at the Disco ] )A: “Oh my god. I would I think it would be so cool to like somehow get all those iconic like voices from all these iconic bands and like yeah, one song together would be wild,”Q: Where would you throw that song in?A: “Oh, I don't know, I feel like um like it would have to be like the heaven side like but that's what's fun about Abel is that, like we, obviously I cannot say much about potential other members of his family, I will say um, but there may or may not be other members of his family that we explore in the show. Um, but I think just Adam, like Adam, Abel and Lute have some of the best rock voices in the show; just their voices together are really cool, and that may or may not be destined in the show because obviously I can't give away what songs are happening, who's in what songs together. But I will say to everyone, we know how awesome they sound individually. So we would love to hear how awesome they sound together, you know, like more and more often,”https://youtu.be/CnAPkhOyt_Q?t=2381 - at 39:41so ya know, never say never
>>154417392>>154417392Thing is, I don't think there's any biblical material that says which brother was favoured more by his parents. Cain was a farmer, and Abel a shepherd, and Abel's sacrifice was favoured more I believe due to it being the youngest of his flock and given out of love and gratitude, while Cain just gave his excess crops.Now, sure, people might find it easy to extrapolate that the parents favoured Abel more, but it's not necessarily the case. It could honestly have gone either way.What I do like is the idea Cain truly loved his younger brother, but he just succumbed to jealousy and rage. Even more heartbreaking might be when the red mist cleared, he collapsed with grief over what he'd done.THAT'S how I think it should be played. No "Cain did nothing wrong" or "Here's what really happened", etc. No, play it straight, but add the humanity of Cain immediately regretting what he'd done to the brother he truly loved.
>>154418195That’s not how they view Roo/Eve at all. You weirdo. They view her as a sexy corrupt woman that is a bad influence on Adam.
>>154418216>He's weak. He's nothing like youProbably makes it even worse if she called him similar things while he was alive. Abel probably lived his whole life in Adam's and Cain's shadow.
>>154418216Lute in private doesn’t even state anything much about Abel besides being weak.
>>154418267The Bible never says which brother was older or younger. It also never says their parents favored one over the other because that's not the point of the story. The focus is on their offerings: Abel's was accepted, Cain's was not. Likewise, there's no indication that Cain repented or regretted killing Abel. When God confronted him, Cain first lied about his brother's whereabouts, then replied with the famous, "Am I my brother's keeper?" Even after God pronounced judgment, Cain's concern wasn't Abel or the murder itself; it was the consequences he would face. He complained that his punishment was "too great to bear" and feared that others would kill him after being cursed to wander the earth. The narrative never depicts Cain expressing sorrow for Abel or asking God for forgiveness over the murder itself. Now, if you want to go outside the Bible, and go into the Quran / Islamic faiths, in that version, yes apparently he does express remorse.
>>154418350Cain was the first yandere
>>154418326It's also really interesting that during his part of Hear My Hope, Abel sings that he wishes he could be like "anyone else," and Lute's reflection appears in his eyes. Adam is clearly his standard for how he thinks he should act, seeking approval he knows he doesn't have, unlike his brother, whether that's Cain or Seth, we don't know yet. Lute, however, embodies exactly the kind of strength, conviction, and approval Abel seems to believe he's lacking. My immediate thought was that she reminded him of not only Adam, but of Cain. To me, that's another subtle hint that Lute could be Eve.
>>154418349ok. idk what that has to do with anything.
>>154418350Oh yes, I agree. I'm aware of the details of the story. Rather, I was speculating how Hazbin would most likely explore it.That instead of a typical subversion, it can be played straight but explore the human angle of it more. Kind of like what Prince of Egypt did with moses and rameses.That perhaps both brothers were actually quite close and, in a fit of jealous rage, Cain destroyed it all. Then collapsed with regret and grief afterwards, something like that harrowing Ivan the Terrible painting.
>>154418398The Bible suggests he didn't give two shits. He was just a jealous twat. idk how that makes him a yandere. Assuming he cared for his brother or regretted his actions because he grieved his brother is headcanon. He only expresses fear of getting killed, and bounces.
>>154418195>>154418278Actually both interpretations are sometimes used. Roo/Eve is a pure headcanon character so the fandom gets specifically what they want for her. She's Adam's true love who he reunites after ending up in hell. She's the woman on the Warpath to avenge him after he dies ( basically gets turned into edgier eldritch Lute who actually does some damage). She's an Evil woman who influences him towards rejecting his humanity and becoming a monster. She's his ex wife which doesn't give a shit about him for some reasons ( FeMiNiSm). Really varies from person to person.
>>154418406If anything, it implies Lute is different from Eve and Cain that he’s able to identify with her more than he did with them or his other siblings.
>>154418444A yandere for God.
>>154418448Yup yup you nailed it. I was mostly saying that for the people who interpret Eve as becoming vengeful, or resents for not being listened to / overlooked etc its just... like lol yeah congrats, that's literally Lute. Yet they cannot wrap their minds around her being Eve when thats literally what they're writing / potraying.
>>154418458You really have the ability to read without understanding anything or attaining any knowledge. Amazing. You truly must be a human NPC.
>>154418458Nope, that's not what the scene is saying. Abel spends the entire song defining what he believes strength looks like: the standard he thinks Adam expected of him. That's why he's trying to conjure Adam and praying for his approval in the first place. He literally says, "Too bad I'm not like your other son," and immediately follows it with, "Why'd I have to be picked to lead? I wish that I could be anybody else." while Lute's reflections appears in his eyes. She embodies the same qualities Abel believes his father valued: strength, conviction, and the ability to lead. That's why her reflection appears in his eyes. She's the visual representation of the person Abel wishes he could be. This reinforces the connection. She's Eve.
>>154418557Okay. Lute is Abel’s mommy figure. So what. That doesn’t mean she’s secretly Eve.
>>154418539if that's matpat, then yeah, he tries to spin shit around. With Jessica (Lute's va) deleted tweet, he literally thinks she went out of her way to confirm it's NOT true because that's what the OP put in brackets and that the devil emoji is confirming that Lute is a demon. He's legitimately retarded. He also thinks Lucifer has a guilty(?) face after he insinuates he slept with Eve. no idea what the fuck he's talking about.
>>154418593Right so anyway. She's Eve: Jessica already spoiled it. Hope this helps!
>>154418593You fucking twat, they're not saying this is the only reason she's Eve. Unlike you, who uses Zestial's last name and hate to prove he's Cain. Miserable sack of shit.
>>154418441Yup. Cain immediately regretting everything and breaking down sobbing would be a great scene. I'd imagine he's first discovered by his parents. If Lute is Eve I can imagine her cursing him and saying she regrets ever giving birth to him probably blaming herself for eating the apple which resulted in this tragedy. Adam would probably just be silent during the whole thing crushing Cain's heart by not uttering a word and just cradling Abel's body with tears in his eyes.
>>154418645You’re legit mad that one-sided character relationship developments don’t indicate anything about big mysteries being revealed?
>>154418595he likes to use individual tweening frames as evidence over entire choreographed sequences, such as lute ripping a rib-shaped object out of adam's chest while singing about how he's the only soul who's ever completed her.
>>154418721no Mat, this has been explained to you so many times. stop projecting what applies to your dogshit Lilith Eve theory to Lute Eve, which actually does have evidence. stay mad broski
>>154418749Lilith Eve is one of the easiest mysterious ever to exist. It’s just match their appearances and you win.Just take it and actually put in the work of accepting Lute as her own thing. You have piles of good ways to analyze her character and all you do with her is stick her in a murder box. And act like Abel is too soft and squishy to be malicious at all when he’s inspired by her crazed mental breakdowns. Lilith Eve is a sexier and more attractive lady that is actually worse and more liberated than Lilith and Lute, and holds those two under her thumb. The end.
>>154418926Right so anyway. Lute is Eve: Jessica Vosk, her VA, already spoiled it. Viv debunked switch theories. Hope this helps!
>>154419000Trips of truth
>>154419014>Trips of truthit's a sign
>>154419000Viv didn’t debunk switch theories, she clarified on what would make one a lot more likely to be true.Lilith Eve is literally the only theory that has Lillith looking exactly like Eve two times. And looking off from Lilith’s expected appearance in the beach scene of season 1.
>>154419067Nope! Literally debunked switch theories. Lute is Eve: Jessica Vosk, her VA, already spoiled it. Hope this helps!
>>154419067>she clarified on what would make one a lot more likely to be true.holy copium on a cracker
>>154419067Take your Meds MatPat. You are being more retarded than usual.
What is Alastor hiding?
>>154419144That's he's dark skinned. Vox will stop being a fag for him the moment he finds out.
>>154419144What gives you the impression he's hiding anything? Are you talking about how his human soul was apparently different/special, according to Rosie or what he was looking for on behalf of Rosie?
>>154417226It will be extremely infuriating for them. The Abel and Lute shippers are one of the more annoying ones.
>>154419217Bruh they're going to be on suicide watch. Getting the incest ship reputation ain't fun .
>>154419241I do lowkey feel bad because it must suck but also how braindead do you have to be to think Lute, who has clearly shown to be in love with Adam, go for Abel who is painfully shown as this cowardly bumbling fool. Fandom is as fandom does: people will make it all sexy and goony but ... realistically? gross. all sorts of gross. not only that but literally nothing suggests he likes her like that. there is no romantic chemistry, versus him and Emily - which seems one sided, but it's the 'canon' ship.
>>154419241never stopped the lucifer/charlie shippers or the adam/abel shippers, or that one guy i found who randomly inserted adam/charlie/lilith into his fic, but they knew what they were from the start. i guess having and then losing a ship is worse...
>>154419173I just think that there's more to him.
>>154419282*** who's her love's SON. fucking ew. Viv woobifies this man too so he comes across as being younger too. just bleh all around. they asked for that shit and shouldn't be surprised that people are grossed out or that she's his mom.
>>154419284To be fair the times I've seen Abel/Adam and Charlie/Lucifer it's always in a porn goon fetishy way, never genuine or serious.
what do y'all think Rosie's secret is? no Matpat, she's not Lilith, fuck off from this post.
>>154419282well see she just needs a nice gentle emo boy to help her understand that being attracted to that jerk jock was just her being stupid. or something.
>>154419323i'd be okay with that if he wasn't Adam's son lmao like damn not even a year. girl chill with that puss
>>154419284The thing is those are incest ships from the get go. Ships that are later revealed to be incest are kinda more controversial because you have to constantly put a disclaimer "I shipped this before I found out they were mother and son" so you don't get murdered online. It's possible that after the reveal it will become one of the most popular incest ships because Mommy straight incest is weirdly popular.
Lucifer is hot.
>>154419323Is Adam even a jock considering he's completely out of shape. he's more of a slacker.
>>154419321It’s Lilith. She’s lame.
>>154419365A few things to note: when Andre's character design was revealed, people would draw fanart of him and Stella. Viv clarified real quick they were siblings. That seems to be her hard line (funny enough since the rumor is she originally wanted Andre and Stella to have the same dynamic as Daenerys and her abusive brother, but I digress) - Abel/Lute is, compared to all the rare pairs, the more 'popular' of the bunch. There's a good chunk of fanart for it, you'll come across it. She has not liked a single romantic Abel/Lute piece. The few she has liked are portraying them specifically in a family setting or as mother/son. Yet, Viv likes Roo/Lute and I even saw Sera/Lute and Vox/Lute of all things. You know how insanely rare those are? make of that what you will
>>154419388Nope! Viv debunked switch theories. Hope this helps!
>>154419438that reminds me - i've seen her like a few adamsapple pics, and obviously lucifer/lilith, but not a single picture of lucifer/eve (or lucifer/lute for that matter). genuinely i wonder what that means?
>>154419598- adamsapple means nothing which we can confirm -now- since he's canonically straight. that goes under the 'likes it because she likes it' pile-she actually has liked Eve/Adam (flowertunes) from a specific artist, who also coincidentally has their Eve turned into Roo. she even liked Roo 'comforting' Abel (he was crying i think, head on her lap) - i don't count those because Eve's design has not been canonically revealed. she'd be spoiling her design which leads me to believe that's not what Eve looks like at all.-lucifer/eve - again, we don't know what Eve looks like-lucifer/lute - mmmm i think this rarer than all those other rarepair ships. i think i've only seen one fanart
>>154419669I don't think we can infer anything from what she has liked because she's made it clear her likes have no impact on what is canon and what will happen in the show. Choosing NOT to like Abel/Lute makes me go hmm though because that's less about revealing spoilers and more about avoiding a backlash if that is later revealed to be incestuous. She knows people watch her likes very closely.
>>154419756I agree with you>Choosing NOT to like Abel/Lute makes me go hmm though because that's less about revealing spoilers and more about avoiding a backlash if that is later revealed to be incestuous. She knows people watch her likes very closely.EXACTLY.. Go on Viv, like a post with them making out and fucking sloppy. It's not a problem, right? Why would it be? Unless they're relat-- oop.
>>154419376Absolutely not. Realistically his ass would be alone because nobody likes a short king.
>>154419781The worst part is he's the one character Viv designed to be handsome / sexy / physically appealing.
>>154419803He doesn't have a fucking nose. Why would you do that?
>>154419777It doesn't help this is one of the Abel and Lute pieces she's liked
>>154419844LMAOOOOO and people still don't think she's Eve?!!?? rofl
>>154419777Oh yeah. She's absolutely afraid the incest backlash. She knows she ain't weaseling her way out of those if she likes fanart of Mother and Son being in a romantic relationship. It might also be her moral code since she probably does find it kinda gross.
>>154419844oh wow,,, and that's Millhouse's actual dad btw
>>154419879Vivienne not liking Abel/Lute gives the same vibes as her saying that Adam and Lute can be 'whatever sexualities. it doesn't matter' (yes they're straight) - it's to avoid backlash
>>154419844It's interesting that she's liking a lot of family dynamic stuff with them when a lot of Abel fangirls (not Holyblades shippers by the way, more the ones who hate Lute) and Flowertunes shippers think they shouldn't have this kind of dynamic at all and would rather have Abel punish Lute.
>>154419910it's also intersting bc the way they act on screen it's not **immediately** perceived as familial at first glance. estranged / distanced though... mmmhm
>>154419803did not work, adam is hotter. lucifer kinda looks like a oncelerfied onion from steven universe.
>>154419932,,,,,,,,,, god fucking DAMN IT, why did you DO that???? I CAN'T UNSEE IT, FUCK
>>154419844she also liked this one btw
>>154419968 woooow. she's uhshe's not being rlly subtle there is she
>>154419932I kinda imagine him as a midget Voldemort with a bad blonde hairdo and clown elements. It's really the lack of nose that makes him so bad.
>>154419910semi-related i love when the people all up in arms about how redemption and second chances to grow and understanding where someone is coming from are SO important BUT the second someone applies that to a character they dislike - i see this most often with lute - they throw it out of the window and go 'no, you should be tortured until i've decided you've suffered enough' or even 'no you're irredeemable and should be killed'. the amount of people who insist that vaggi or charlie should get to rip out lute's eye for revenge is so absurdly high.
>>154419968Actually kinda cute. Abel instinctively trying to spend time with his parents.
>>154419949you must spread the good word on reddit, twitter and perhaps even tumblr. let them know the true face of what they lust after.
>>154420000Based quads of truth. and Lute haters are low iq.
>>154419989I hate how Emily has no nose too. She'd be much cuter with a nose.
>>154420039i heard it said that Viv said her characters do in fact have noses and ears, she just doesn't draw them to save time ig
>>154419985it's p obvi she's Eve lmao but people won't accept it till we see it probs in season three
>>154420056That doesn't make sense when most of the other characters have visible noses
>>154419844>>154419777Viv said adoption was a theme in season 3
>>154418669Honestly, I think Viv talked about other realms in Season 4. Say Lute!Eve head to Earth and venture to the land that was their home, you've got a perfect setup for First Family flashbacks.I could see Cain running away in shame and fear, not even stopping to wipe his brother's blood from his hands.When I think of Lute having a flashback to Abel's death, I see her finding Adam hunched over Abel's battered form in the snow. Bloodstained foodsteps trailing off into the distance.You know what I think of? This:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuo9fwa7OeU
>>154420149watch this be about husk adopting crymini.
>>154420155Season 4 sounds like a wrap up for lute and Abel war things in season 3.
>>154420149wait i thought she said it was revelations?
>>154420149Well, yeah. I mean, Roo is Charlie's biological mom, but Lilith still loved and raised her as her own.
>>154420167Not enough time. That darling is dead by Viv’s words.
>>154420198It’s both.
>Season 3 does a big Lute reveal>Lute is actually a placeholder name Adam given her because none of the names he can think of sounded right
>>154420208oh? when did that get confirmed? i figured after baxter was such a flop that crymini would be much the same, but it's a surprise to hear she's gone entirely.
>>154420348Right because he had to protect his wife, Eve, from her real name getting out in the open.
>>154420507I don't really mind. Much of the hotel crew feels underdeveloped and adding even more characters to fight for said screentime isn't a good idea.
New thread: >>154420341
>>154420598Thanks man
