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>>154930717legit thought he was birthing that exorcist for a second.
>>154924223Probably a high up angel who was one of the few privy to the set up. One who’d drill into her how she already felt:> “You’ve been granted a chance to correct your mistake. For the sake of your soul, kid, don’t blow it.”>>154924013> So yes, something big will definitely have to happen. Who knows, maybe she will end up killing Vaggie or even Lucifer... Or Lilith. Imagine.Oh yeah. It’s the HTTYD2 principle. Someone’s gotta die to raise the stakes, move Charlie’s character development along and set the tone for the rest of the show.My bet? Lucifer. Lilith will have only just been introduced. Vaggi? Maybe. But Lucifer dying would propel Charlie into official leadership of Hell, as well as giving Lute/Eve the leverage to propel herself (and Zombie Adam) into a level of high leadership in Heaven. No one’s gonna fuck with the hero who killed the Fucking devil!
>>154930717Adam is sooo huggable
>>154930845It's Lute hiding under his tail
Seriously though if I was getting creampied enough to start a species and some buzzkill angels suddenly said we had to stop and I went dry for a couple thousand years I think I would go crazy too
>>154931608I hope the show will touch on the implications of immortality and what it can do to the mind. It would make sense if Adam and Lute/Eve changed even a little bit over the course of thousands of years
>>154931864I thought it was very clear when Adam went on that whole whole rant about how sinners should be worshiping him. He's really fucked in the head. They both are.
The snake is the only character that makes sense when they babble so he's the best character.
Eve needs to pull a Dark Knight Rises move where she basically airs Heaven and Hell’s dirty laundry for all realms to see on a live broadcast.
>>154931876Honestly i could see it being "No human should live for so long". Adam and Lute(if she's Eve) would be the oldest human being we see in the show. Maybe being around for so long fucks you in the head. Don't know about Abel though. Maybe he's just more stable than his retarded parents.
>>154933235>Don't know about Abel though. Maybe he's just more stable than his retarded parents.He's too dumb to get bored with immortality
This show has a huge amount of bad design choices for animation.The lower halves of Adam’s and Sera’s should’ve been flat hems that cover up the feet instead of spiky hems that are much harder to form a consistent and readable shape.
>>154933736Based
>>154933736>>154935115Abel inherited his parents stupidity so he technically qualifies as a rock. Cain inherited his parents intelligence so he's about as smart as a common house plant.
>>154935268They should landscape as a job.
How would they fair against tribbles?
Are Lucilith fans having a melty over the radioapple shirt? Come on now, I have zero feelings toward radioapple but they should have know Lucilith wasn't going to be all puppies and roses
>>154935667Apparently one or two people left the fandom and/or have stated they will delete their accounts.
>>154935667Funny thing even if Lucilith happens and RA was just a bad dream Viv could still pull a massive troll and somehow fumble them into having zero chemistry and be pretty boring onscreen. Even funnier if Lute/Eve happens and GuitarSpear just completely mogs them.
Do you know how mad people will be if it turns out Adam and Eve still love each other but Lucifer and Lilith don't? So, so mad.
>>154935751>>154935711Schizo theory: I think that's exactly what's going to happen but Viv probably genuinely believes it'll be the best narrative choices. Like, they'll show Adam/Eve being a villain couple who enable each other, being all make-outy, but they're the original het couple, so of course we're not supposed to be on their side. Meanwhile Lucifer/Lilith are going to amicably divorce and do the whole 'I love you but I am not in love with you' and they won't have much chemistry neither pre or post Eden. They're just kinda there,
>>154935751Viv has the option to do the funniest thing ever.
>>154935761Absolutely. Viv will allow Adam and Eve to be genuinely engaging because they're baddies so they get more leeway. But because they're so over the top and entertaining they'll definitely be a very memorable couple. Lucilith might end up being Chaggie 2.0 Heterosexual relationship edition where Viv plays it so safe it comes back to being boring and bland.
>>154935761Amicable divorces and separating so people can 'find themselves and be healthy' are all the rage in milquetoast media so yeah I think they'll do that.
Eve was separated from Adam by force and not choice of course so she decided to live through that separation in an extremely weird and obsessive way, anything less would be a betrayal of the strange, strange (but very loyal) person she is
>>154935804What do you mean by force?
>>154935811I'm pretty sure if she's Eve then there's some reason for her deciding to take on the new identity. But if you want to go further it was when they took her out of his chest
>>154935898Does she bite his balls when she wants sex?
>>154935975She probably slaps them.
>>154936338I wonder if Adam being more flashy while Lute has a more plain design is meant to be a reference to certain bird species where the male is more eye-catching and the female has more muted colours?
>>154935667I want to make them angrier with other Lilith ships, like GuitarQueen
>>154936535Listen I enjoy some GuitarQueen but every enjoyer of said ship knows it ain't happening. Maybe if RA happens and they need an excuse for why Lucifer would be that pissed at Lilith to even out the playing field. Or maybe Lucilith happens but it's so bland people start writing GuitarQueen fanfics with the premise that Eve never was made.
I haven't been in these threads in awhileHow does Adam and Eve become a villain couple when Adam is dead?You guys think he's coming back?
>>154936547Obviously.I don't understand why it's not more clear to people when he's in the fucking Pride merch, of all things. Alex also said, pre-season 1, that we would have to wait and see until season 2 to know what happened to his body. Obviously season 2 Lilith stuff got pushed back to season 3, which Viv confirmed, now suddenly his answer is that he doesn't know what happened to his body. He's definitely coming back.
>>154936622Despite the artist trying real hard it really just comes off as an incredible ugly ghoul assaulting some guy. Like man that Lucifer is hideous.
>>154936547>You guys think he's coming back?I think it has potential.
>>154936713Stop copying and pasting this retarded ass thing.
>>154936766Just let him have his fun.
>>154936683Is.. Is that not what the artist is trying to do??
>>154936797Honestly I'm not sure. They might have been going for Lucifer hype moment.
>>154936766It's the post that convinced me that it has potential, because truth be told, I really didn't care for Adam in season 1, and my reaction to his death was>sucks to be him, lmaoHell, I'm still pretty impartial towards him, even if I prefer his tulpa form over his original form.
>>154935804She's also a KEK She likes to watch Adam FUCK other Women, and then FUCK those women later as a sign of dominance, and it's fine because lesbianism isn't real.She's a skinny little KEK
>>154937279Not sure if she likes to watch or do that stuff. I'm pretty sure Adam doesn't know she's Eve and she can't tell him because someone probably prohibited her.
>>154937279How can it be current year and you don't know about the word filters?
>>154936547>>154936552Oh yeah, he’s definitely on the way back in S3 in the form of a zombie reanimated by Baxter and Niffty. He’s the only one who calm Lute/Eve the fuck down in the finale when the latter makes her move and fucks shit up (she’s killing someone btw; money is on Lucifer).It’s a great opportunity to bring Adam back but if his memories are kinda patchy, we might see how he was back in the years of Early Man, not the festering sack of shit he became when he first died.He might spend much of his revival in S3 searching for his beloved bride - really leaning on the Frankenstein references here - until they at least reunite in the season finale.Now if I’m right and Eve originally went to Hell before being given the backstage pass to Heaven, her form will become more demonic when she takes her revenge — horns, sharper teeth, more red eyes — and she’ll at first be horrified and upset for Adam to see her like this. That she’s hideous and disgusting.Adam will just take her by the face and brush away she the blood and gore she’s shedded from her face with his thumbs.“You? Ugly? Not way in Hell, baby.”
>>154930717This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>154938057>Adam will just take her by the face and brush away she the blood and gore she’s shedded from her face with his thumbs. “You? Ugly? Not way in Hell, baby.”Honestly I expect him to say she's even hotter this way.
>>154938068I'm gonna touch your ding-a-ling bro.
>>154936535Do other Lilith ships even piss off Lucilith fans? They only seem to be offended by Radioapple because there's some weird stuff surrounding it and they're afraid it might happen.
>>154938057> Now if I’m right and Eve originally went to Hell before being given the backstage pass to Heaven, her form will become more demonic when she takes her revenge — horns, sharper teeth, more red eyes.When they were saying Lute was projecting, they weren’t kidding. She hates demons, yet she is one of the first. Now she’s—what was it Vosk said— a demonic angel? ;)
>>154938006Didn't know all capital cuck was filteredRegular seems to ve fine
>>154938856Embarassing
Mommy Rosie!
Fuck me.
>>154938946Ok. I'm down.
>>154939190Eugh.
>>154939208Eve...
>>154939190So they just made her Eve. Got it. Good grief
What were Adam and Lilith like in Eden? Did they even have sex or did Lilith never put out?
i am genuinely curious as to how they handle the eden flashbacks because so many people are so certain that adam was built shitty from the start, but don't seem to realise the implications of that, for adam, lilith, eve and for the morality of the entire setting.
It'd be cute if Adam was a horny virgin right up until he met Eve.
>>154939560I've seen the opposite? People think he was really soft and sweet. I don't think he was rotten from the start, though I would not be opposed to that. I'm pretty sure he's going to start off all innocent and sweet before Lilith and Lucifer fucked him over. That just seems more like Viv's brand.
>>154939190
>>154939647nah i've seen people claim the book was 'sanitised' of adam being an abusive rapist, since lilith is apparently fleeing and sobbing in terror before meeting lucifer.
>>154940099Yeah, those are the extreme Adam haters. They're on the same spectrum as the people who say he's actually a good guy, a hero and that the Exterminations were not wrong. They lack media literacy.
Humanity is a crap shoot so clearly the creation was flawed.
Feed the Adam!
>>154940692One of the best genres of art.
mm yumy
>>154941581adam no! you've got rib sauce all over your face!
People are pissy because Hot Topic confirmed that Viv herself confirmed that Alastor is asexual and aromantic lol
>>154942611We won
I'm still in disbelief that Adam was confirmed straight.
>>154942931I respect Viv for that. She won me over. Now all she has to do is make Lute Eve and straight, and Lucifer/Lilith not good people
>>154938057>>154938168Honestly, I have a feeling those two are gonna be the only characters who get a happy ending for S3, and even then, it’s through causing horrific suffering to the protagonists.
>>154942611thank you viv, now confirm the same for roo and deny ALL of them their evil toxic yuri final boss.
>>154942992Lute's arc is not climaxing in season 3. Her big season is season 4. Season 3 is way too early for anything like this to happen.
>>154942931I'm more surprised that Abel is straight.
>>154943027Constant reminder because people don't realize this: Jessica Vosk confirmed that Lute is in Season 5. Her story is not ending anytime soon
>>154943036I was almost expecting Abel to be straight and Adam not to be for 'subverting expectations'. Look how many people draw Adam bottoming for Lucifer. Why? Not because he comes across as gay, because he doesn't at all, but because he comes across as SO straight that mentally ill fans feel like they have to punish him for it.
>>154943027>>154943041I know. That’s what I meant by a happy ending for *Season 3*. If the villainous couple spoiler is true, then it’d make sense for them to reunite at the end of season 3, so we can have them be that iconic evil power couple for season 4, which is the climax for Lute/Eve’s character arc.Plus, I just wanna see them on the ascent while the Morningstars’ lives crash and burn by the end of S3.
>>154943096I don't think anything is getting better for Lute until the end of S4 at minimum.
>>154943089Nah, fans will pull this shit with anyone. For example, if they see a man who subverts gender roles, he's queer. If a man shows no interest in anything else other than women, it's because he's repressed and pretending. There's no reasoning with these folk.
>>154939375Pretty sure that's Lilith judging from the hair lick?
>>154943107It definitely won't get better in season 3 but I do agree that season 4 will be her season
>>154943121The 'repressed straight presenting guy' is usually used on dudebro men who prefer the company of 'the boys' but that one doesn't even apply to Adam who genuinely seems to prefer the company of women in all aspects of his life. The only positive relationship he has with another man is his own son. It really is a matter of people using extreme mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion of surrounding himself with women = trying to distract himself from homolust
>>154942611The statement they put out is funny lmao. It seems like asexual trumps gay in the oppression olympics. I've never seen a company deny a gay ship because it would infringe a character's precious asexuality before.
>>154943211Fans did the same with Johnny Bravo: Jack/Johnny is the most popular fandom ship and if I recall correctly, they even got the creator's approval
>>154943211Honestly it's probably better Viv didn't give Adam an actual male friend because she'd somehow manage to turn that fujoslop. A lot of them don't understand genuine male friendship.
>>154939528Honestly we don't know. We don't have even a vague idea of how long they were together.
>>154943096Not a bad idea, though a tall order. I can see Zombie Adam coming into play in S3 because it will give the other characters and the audience a valuable insight into the Eden story.Could he and Lute/Eve reunite for the season 3 finale? … possible, but it’s gonna be tight. They’ll need another extra long finale like S2. If not for the kinda credible leak about Adam and Eve being the main villain couple, I’d have pushed it and Zombie Adam to S4. If they wanna get good mileage out of that villainous couple, then they’re not gonna wanna wait too long to reunite them. It’d be funny if Lute/Eve is the one maniacally driven by her master plan, meanwhile Zombie Adam more or less just wants to pick up where they left off and live quietly. If reanimating gives him a personality reset, he can rediscover his love of nature, playing instruments, etc. he might actually get along better with Abel.Basically, Lute/ Eve is Vox, and Zombie Adam is Valentino.
>>154943516> Basically, Lute/ Eve is Vox, and Zombie Adam is Valentino.Heh.> “You know I can’t understand you when you speak that dead language, Adam.”> “It’s called Aramaic! It’s your first language, too!”
Rosie has a great ass.
>>154938057> “You? Ugly? No way in Hell, baby.”
>>154938923>>154943802...is this who I think it is??
>>154943211To Adam there's men (him) and there's women (companions and helpers for him). Other men are extraneous to his worldview as none of them are the OG. I wonder if his way of thinking inadvertently gave Eve a complex (enough to take the apple?) because unlike him she's not the first? If he knew he might just feel bad about it but he's probably ignorant of anything not spelled out to him.
>>154946724Adam doesn't seem like the thinking type.
>>154938923Back pain fitting of Hell.
What is she screaming about?
>>154947453She wants her Adam.
Why do people hate the Lute=Eve theory so much?
>>154947677Because the Rosie/Lilith/Eve stuff is so ingrained in the fandom not anything that contradicts the theory pisses them off. That, or the larper say that it removes Lute's agency as a character, while simultaneously wanting Eve to be Roo.
>>154947690I've seen suggestion that it's supposedly extremely sexist, lol
>>154947735Yup, but then they insist all the same themes still belong to Lute: that she was made for Adam, reduced to his second, and denied an identity beyond him. In trying to talk down the theory, they inadvertently reinforce the exact parallels that made people consider it in the first place.
>>154947677>>154947690>>154947735To also add to that there's a lot of Lute Larpers(people who ignore her entire character and just slap their version on top) who can't really do that anymore if she's Eve. Her being Eve also nukes a lot of her shitter ships.
>>154947838>>154947846It's because they see being a wife and mother as inherently degrading and lesser and a mark of victimhood which is an insult to their own female ancestors among other things.
I do think Charlie carrying the future nephilim kids of Adam is a good thing. 500 new siblings to mankind.
>>154947878what's really funny is that at the same time these people also desperately want the wifeswap theory to be real so that lilith was always a good wife and a loving mother actually. so it's degrading and lesser for eve, but uplifting and heartwarming when it's lilith.
>>154948743Because the whole it's "degrading" is just pure bullshit on their part. They just want Lilith to be perfection incarnate and prefer that Eve is a complete afterthought. Lute being Eve is gonna shit so hard on their parade.
>>154948731Huh? Where did that come from. Also not sure if they would still be qualified as nephilim or something else.
>>154948781i think that anon is just guitarprincess-posting.
>>154948743Honestly, I don’t understand the logic at all.They want Lute to remain “her own character,” yet in the same breath define her almost entirely through Adam: she was made for him, she exists for him, she’s loyal to him, her role begins and ends with him. Somehow Lute being Eve would “erase her agency,” but reducing her to Adam’s manufactured soldier or eternal devotee apparently doesn’t.They want Lilith preserved as this flawless, misunderstood, untouchable figure, so the moment the story suggests she may have done something genuinely harmful, it's: “Well, that wasn’t Lilith at all. It was Eve pretending to be Lilith. Lilith is innocent and Eve is the evil one.”They reject Lute being Eve because they claim it would rob Lute of individuality, yet they’re completely fine with Eve being Roo, being possessed, being puppeted, being reduced to a revenge vessel with no agency of her own. Somehow Eve as Lute is too reductive, but Eve as a wrathful entity or someone hijacked by Evil is acceptable, even though it gives her even less interiority. She becomes rage, revenge, corruption, or a mask for someone else’s agenda. WHILE LUTE IS LITERALLY DOING THIS ALREADY.Rant over. Make it make sense.
>>154948811>she was made for him, she exists for him, she’s loyal to him, her role begins and ends with him.That's literally just Eve. How are people so blind. The Eve """fans""" do know that Lute could have absolutely been all soft and sweet (like they envision Eve) in Eden and as a human, right?
>>154948781They would be nephilim by definition for being children of a Angel with another Nephilim.Nephilim seems to be the catch-all term for children of angels.
>>154948811by 'her own character' they mean she realises adam was the worst and hated her always. then she becomes what they think her character should be which is typically tepid rivals-to-lovers with vaggi or equally tepid mean girl/soft girl with emily depending on if that person hates charlie or not, with a side order of emotional manipulation and eternal guilt-tripping for what she did as an exorcist. they can have angst about adam grooming her you see but they also want to victim-blame her for it.
>>154948857Nephilim are hybrid beings from male Angels and female humans/women. It's not a catch all term, especially for offspring of a Nephilim (already a hybrid) and a pure angel. Traditional Christian views suggest the "sons of God" were the male descendants of Adam’s son Seth mixing with the ungodly female line of Cain, which is just stupid.
>>154948870Aaaa. "Her own character" meaning a lesbian who hates men.
>>154948878yeah once you start noticing them the radfem hazbin larpers are everywhere.
>>154948848Dude they're are no Eve fans because their version of Eve doesn't fucking exist. We have seen jack and shit of how she acts in the show. We literally can't deduce Eve's personality except if she's actually Lute then we have a very strong idea on how she acts.
>>154948870You forgot to add Abel's girl where he somehow "fixes" her.
>>154948894Fucking exactly. Everyone is so fucking sure that she's going to be this naive, childish, cutesy woman.. We literally know nothing!
>>154948888Oh there's a shit ton of them but what's funny is that they somehow come off as more misogynist than the actual show haters.
>>154948870>tepid rivals-to-lovers with vaggi or equally tepid mean girl/soft girl with emily Lute being revealed as Eve kinda makes these ships look even more ridiculous and implausible. Probably why said LL hate the idea of Lute being Eve.
It's even funnier because if you step back.... Viv has never drawn Adam or Eve before. Were literally made just for the show, so it's not like they can even cling to some old characterization. It never fucking existed. Why are they so sure Eve is going to be a specific way? Because of the stupid leaks, which are not even reliable? Like when you ignore all that shit, it's kind of obvious that she's Eve. I have a friend who's not into this shit, I never even brought the theory up.... And she called Lute being Eve. Like duh? Of fucking course Adams biggest sycophant, who's white like bone, worships the ground he walks on is Eve.
>>154948901what's especially funny is we know exactly what adam's type is! does he enjoy the company of naive, childish, cutesy women? no! the woman he hangs out with in his free time is LUTE!
>>154948977Of course: only his rib would be the only thing that could tolerate his stupid ass.
i support both guitarspear and guitarqueen. adam gets two bitches.
>>154948983Eden threesome
>>154948983what causes lilith to leave lucifer and willingly go back to adam in this scenario? this isn't a dig i'm genuinely curious, tell me more.
>>154948993fat cock
>>154949001Adam...
>>154948983Understandable. Would be really funny if RA happens and this is the consequence of that. Lucifer gets to spend the rest of of his eternal life with a smelly cannibal sinner while Adam gets to chill with his hot wives.
>>154948993Probably RA shenanigans or Lucifer just fucking up really bad. If he channels some devious racism towards humans/sinners and proceeds to call her some specific slur.
There's kind of another giveaway that Eve isn't down in Hell that I don't really see many people talking about? Adam specifically makes fun of Charlie for viewing sinners as her family.... And the way he is so fucking gleeful about killing sinners, going on about how they don't deserve second chances.... Doesn't that seem really fucking weird for someone who, from the very little we see, apparently DOES miss his wife? Meaning, he knows at least that she's either dead, or safe. It makes no sense otherwise. It would make sense if he had talked bad about her, called her useless or a slut or something.. But they even put in the little reference with the ribs, and say that those are his favorite food. I don't know. Maybe I'm just looking into things that aren't there I guess.
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Both Viv and Sam have said that Lute has the most black and white thinking of all the characters in the show.... It's no accident that Eve and Charlie's silhouettes in the book are black and white, and they're mirror each other's poses. How fucking coincidental that Jessica Vosk and Erika Henningsen confirmed that we were going to get a specific moment between Charlie and Lute.Are they even trying to hide it. Seriously.
>>154949042WIDER
>>154944730What I wouldn't give to have Emily crush me
>>154944730the exterminations being led by people as friendly and cheery and nice as abel and emily would have been SO much creepier than adam and lute.
>>154949814It definitely would have been creepy. Imagine the first meeting is also nicer. They welcome Charlie. Actually listen to what she has to say. There's no "Hell is forever" type song to discourage her. Admit that they're not sure if it's gonna fly with the higher ups but tell her it's a good idea and they'll definitely pitch it. Yet once she shows up in Heaven she finds out they didn't even bother informing Sera at all about said idea. They definitely could work as the friendly type that doesn't really follow through but makes you think they're on your side.
https://youtu.be/8RBQLxpVhOo?is=uL2jH2oZC0xpO1xKThe birth of Lute/Eve and Zombie Adam’s monstrous super race of Nephilim-Uruk Hai. Their designated replacement for mankind.
>>154950148Not fully accurate clip because they come out of the ground. Lute/Eve would personally birth them all out of her vagina after draining Adam of his juice.
>>154950094idk, i think since the meeting goes so well in charlie's mind, charlie has no reason to ask lucifer to get her above abel and emily's head - she only did that because she didn't want to deal with adam and wanted someone with authority above his that might listen to her. that's the only reason sera gets involved and sets up the court trial to see if redemption is possible. so if she feels seen and heard by heaven through abel and emily, she doesn't feel the need to go above them. my own theory is that abel and emily would even be upfront about why the extermination is moved forward - 'yeah so one of our exorcists died in this last extermination and we're not sure how. we need you to find who did it, how, and anyone else they might've shared that information with, or the extermination's gonna go ahead six months early. out of our hands and we're sosososo sorry :('.
>>154950163>>154950148Adam is going to be *spent.*And even worse, he’s going to absolutely adore and cherish these little beasts more than he ever did his human children.> Zombie Adam: (to Eve, cradling his newborn he has dubbed ‘Only Son’) “Awww, babe, I never thought I’d get to know what this is like. After all this time, the good Lord has blessed us with a real family…”Abel: “Aw je… I’m standing right here, Dad!”Lute/Eve: (dripping with venom) “Eat shit.”
>>154950368I'd feel like he would equally love his human children (with the exception of Abel) and weird demon children. Like the main appeal for him and Lute/Eve would be that they get to fill the place with their actual children and replace the shitty sinners who are so distantly related to them. Ultimately anything that comes from the two of them would be superior in their eyes.
>>154950368That’s probably the kindest response Eve could have given. I’d imagine she’d have extinguished her post-pregnancy cigarette into his open palm.
>>154950872It's even funnier if she just does that exclusively to Abel while actually acting kinda nice to the rest of her kids. Like if Cain shows up he just gets special treatment while Abel gets shit on.
>>154951632I see only truths.
>>154950368>>154950563wouldn't adam still be subservient/contaminated with roo in this scenario though? my understanding of zombie adam is that he's a fucked up roo-zombie.
>>154951646He could just be brought to life by some weird Baxter experiment. Or just be brought back as a sinner.
