>Jean>Jaen>JaneFINALLY IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW
>>154956043>An IQ Too High?
>>154956043her tits weren't that big in the movie
>>154956061Too badReality can be whatever fanartists want
If MArvel was godly>Peter Parker and Jean Grey beecome the next generation focus of the MCU just like Tony Stark and Captain America before them >Vague potential romance or sibling bond tailored to whichever is testing better with the audience >Their parallels become the focal point of the story as we shift over from military themes (Tony Stark and Cap era) to biological themes (Spider Man and X men era) >Build up both Phoenix and Symbiote as extremely powerful forces that are able to counter each other just like how Peter can counter jean's abilities naturally >One of them goes crazy while the other fights desperately to save them>ding ding ding epic emotional climax
>>154956088i wish reality had 15 minutes of hulk screentime
Why do you guys forget the hyphen
>>154956112>muh hyphen
>>154956129DO NOT IMAGINE THE SEX
>>154956146UOH
I've noticed a lot of art makes Tom A LOT taller.
>>154956129Tom's a great guy but he's not a big dude. This art is just insulting for all of us
It turns out the best way to write romantic chemistry is to just write an anime rivalrly
>>154956043>>154956129>>154956212>>154956226>STUDclops' canonical height: 191 cm>Spider-cuck's canonical height: 178 cm>Tom Holland's estimated height: 173 cm>Kit Connor's estimated height: 185 cmStep aside, Spider boi. You CANNOT handle all that.
>>154956383Cope
>>154956315Insane that they accidentally wrote the most compelling rivals to romance dynamic in recent history to open their new trilogy and they aren't going to capitalize on it at all
Friendly reminder that the creator of Naruto is a spiderman fan
>>154956315>anime rivalrlyYou've got like 80 years of comics and you've never had this dynamic? You've got to call it anime?
>>154956383He's getting cucked like he always does. cope and seethe cycuck fans there is no hope beyond this walls>>154956043JANE YOUR EARLY YOUR LIVES WORK IS MADE DIRTY BY THOSE FOOLS WHO ADORE YOU BIDDING YOUR TIME BIDDING YOUR TIME TO STRIKE
>>154956457It's because they didn't intend to. Jean is a rival. Not a love interest. Rivals are extremely uncommon on western media. We are seeing foil behavior as romantic
>>154956479NTA but anime's bigger than comics so it's a given.
>>154956457These are the same people that as soon as news broke out about Peter's solo movie making a billion on opening weekend they went "MILES IS COMING, WE WANT TO BRING MILES IN".
>>154956479No, it's because Disney literally had Kishimoto appear on the behind the scenes documentary for the movie and make the comparison himself because Dustin is a Naruto fan. Jean and Peter are written as an anime rivalry.
>>154956383How lame do you have to be IRL to genuinely like this guy?
>>154956479Anime rivalry and superhero rivalries are not the same thing. Normally characters in Jeans position are literally just straight out villains with no recourse other than defeating them. Jean is a dark reflection of Peter who is defeated with the power of love. That's more common in Japan outright
>>154956490Very common for rivals to commit to each other that they "have me" and then do doe eyes at each other, pretty much happened every week on Tom and Jerry IIRC
>>154956475KISHIMOTO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>154956506>MILES IS COMING, WE WANT TO BRING MILES INNigga can't even make more than both TASM movies. Across was beaten by Demon Slayer, even after adjusted for inflation.
>>154956479A poster of Naruto and Sasuke pops up five times in this film
>>154956511>>154956487>>154956409>actually gets to show great power great responsibility by leading a team and shouldering human-mutant relations on his back>actually gets to have children instead of killing people with radioactive semenHe's just the goat, you wouldn't understand
>>154956569If they had balls, they'd genderswap Sasuke into a hot emo girl.
>>154956559Spider-Man had a way better love interest in that movie. If the MCU writers used the same chemistry between Peter and his love interest (Michelle Jones ugh) then no one would be jumping for his rival to become his lover.
Jean is Greater Power with No responsibility She is the vegeta to his GokuSimilarly when he has her on the ropes at the end of the movie he doesn't win by pummeling her face but by inspiring her
>>154956495It's not even that. The director is an actual weaboo
>>154956043>>154951260>>154955054>>154946118>>154946039
>>154956650The Zeitgeist has been captured and it wants Peter paired with a redhead again ASAP
>>154956479Did this dynamic die in the west? I can't really think of any American examples aside from Zuko and Kevin Levin.
>>154956683Daredevil and Punisher
Jean Gray's powers aren't all that OP to be honest, even the movie's special effects doesn't sell it for me
>>154956666Quads of truth
>>154956683Rogue existedScarlet Witch existedElektra existedBut it has to be specifically written in the way this movie played out to make it... anime rivalry.
>>154956158Watch it. The punisher will come after you.
>>154956750I feel like it needs to be said that Jean Grey is a telekinetic primarily, her telepathy is second. Why the film treats posession like her primary ability is beyond me. Really feels like they wanted to use Karma.
>>154956475>Kishimoto (Naruto) loves Spider-Man>Horikoshi (MHA) loves both Naruto and Spider-Man. Really, Capeshit in general>Murata (One Punch Man manga artist) loves Spider-Man and has drawn official artworkJapan loves Spider-Man.
>>154956766>>154956735I am unironically not savvy enough to understand the distinction between japanese and western style rivals. I guess it is pretty popular to have the anime character spell it out like "My sister was special, just like you and me" kind of thing
>>154956584For me, I prefer Naruto to be the girl because Naruko is sexy as fuck. Why did Kishimoto make the hottest girl in the franchise the male protagonist?
>>154956584They actually released a video game not too long ago where Boruto goes back into the ancient past and meets a standoffish girl who is identical to Sasuke. Bonding and power of friendship and eventually she becomes devoted to him just in time for him to be sent back to the future
>>154956871>I prefer Naruto to be the girl because Naruko is sexy as fuck.It's not a stretch because naruto's the scorned woman in that relationship. He's a bitch.
>>154957058>Naruto got NTRed by OrochimaruReally makes you think.
Could Jean Gray (this movie's version) defeat Fubuki from OPM?
>>154956569>>154956584>>154956871>>154956886>>154957077Nde
>>154957220Ehh, I'd give it to Fubuki, she has a lot more experience with her telekinesis and can probably resist the possession hax. The only thing Jean has over her is range
>>154957278Well uh no Fubuki was easily overwhelmed by Do-S whip
>fatass remembered his best bro with something simple as a handshake>So called love of his life couldn't remember shit after being saved over and over and over and overNo wonder people are jumping to the Jean shipp
>>154956212Tbf, this is also the case for all fanart involving MCU Iron Man. Robert Downey Jr is at *most* the same height as Tom.
>Future MCU film>Big battle with Knull symbiote shit vs Phoenix Force shit>Jean's trying to save Peter from symbiote corruptionHire me, Marvel.
>>154957327It was a town level whip
>>154956584>>154956871It's sort of comical how everyone except Kishimoto has picked up on the fact that Naruto/Sasuke is blatantly a romantic thing and it's just a question of which character should have been the girl
>>154957335It works like that IRL, bro.
>>154957389Nah, Kishimoto definitely knows about the homolust and played into it for fujo bucks.
>>154956871
>>154957414IIRC Kishimoto has said he based it on the relationship between himself and his twin brother
>>154957439Uhhhh...
>>154957448It's Japan
>>154957362I'd be surprised if they don't end up leaning into this in some way. Every new MCU character they've tried to introduce has flopped except for this new version of Jean, they'd be stupid not capitalize on that.
>>154957425Fucking CUTE@ please
>>154957362Feige hire this man
>>154957492https://x.com/IzouumiSFW/status/2086238252449550397
>>154957478So we're getting Spider-Man & the X-Men? Deadpool & Spider-Man?
>>154957335Bros before hos is a thing for a reason, anon.
>>154957362Pls no Knull.I can't bare the most banal cosmicslop that's every slopped.
>>154956043She wasn't that big.>>154956129Okay, she DEFINITELY wasn't that small, wtf
>>154956212whos tom?
>>154956100Feige hire this man also
>>154957521Seems like a logical direction to go in. We haven't gotten an X-Men movie in a while, and McAvoy/Fassbender are now old enough that they can actually play "canon" Professor X and Magneto. I think they're going to have to rework Magneto's background though, maybe make him a survivor of the Srebrenica Genocide in the 1990s
>>154957201Darn potatoes
Call it a hunch but I don't think Marvel will ever show them on screen together again.
>>154957362I tried
>>154957634KINOOOOOO
>>154957624They definitely will. They made an entire tv show about Falcon/Winter Soldier because people liked that one Captain America movie. If they see a chance to make money they'll milk the fuck out of it
>>154957624Meet POTENTIAL SHIP!!!>0 support in virtually any continuity>3 conversations together 2 of which were adversarial>0% chance against the might of MICHELLE JONES-WATSONProve me wrong. I want to be
>>154957597>Thunderbolts dealt with one big potato (void) but they got to do it together >Peter has to deal with the same weight in smaller potatoes but he's all aloneBravo, Mr Destin
>>154956100>Phoenix and Symbiote as extremely powerful forces that are able to counter each otherWhat the fuck are symbiotes going to do compared to the Phoenix? This is the road that leads to Knull.
>>154957680Make it up lol literally just have the mcu symbiote be god tier maybe the phoenix force can kill it but jean doesn't want to kill peter
>Brand New Day>MC is still stuck trying to recapture his old relationshipsNot very new is it.
>>154957680Didn't Wolverine solo Phoenix in that one X-Men movie?
>>154957708X3 Phoenix was not a cosmic god being.
>>154957439his twin brother was vegita?
>>154957702It's in name only, and the original BND was a disgrace by how callous they handled it.Starting it with a party as they 'moved' the redhead on and Peter gloats about his independence, just the written by manchildren era spooging onto the page.We got actual depth with our Spidey again, by refuting its awful mandate.
>>154957634FUARKING KINOOOOO
>they're so siblings coded, Peter is still going to end up with ZendayaI would rather see 30 minutes of Peter being a mentor figure/big brother to Jean than 4 more movies of him and the entire cast pretend a Daria clone is the best thing since sliced bread.
>>154957825As long as Tom and Zendaya are a thing IRL, there's no shot they don't get Peter and MJ back together.
>>154956383
>>154956043Are big boobs allowed in MCU these days?
BND sucked shit lmao
>>154957891wasn't sydney sweeny in madam web?
>>154957895Get raped
>>154957931that wasn't MCU
>>154957938Jean... stop answering all your problems with rape...
>>154956584Imagine the shit storm in a timeline where Sasuke was a girl but Sakura was a boy, after everything Naruto did for fem Sasuke she ended up being together with male Sakura
>>154956790Karma appearing and then getting an actually good New Mutants movie or series would bring me to my knees
Tried something
>>154958080If male Sakura retains the same personality then that could actually be pretty funny>p-p-please Naruto, bring Sasuke back, I'm going to sit here and cry on a park bench>actually ends up fucking SasukeTotal basedboy victory
>>154957888Did you change something here?
>>154958118I love you guys
>>154958188Minor anatomy corrections
>>154956562It's funny how hard domestic faggots carry these movies, Spider-Man is usually a smash hit internationally but these movies basically flop outside the US lmao
this shit only got momentum because they had a heartfelt interaction, WHICH DIDN'T HAPPEN AT ALL WITH MJ, THEY JUST OPENED THE SECOND MOVIE WITH HIM WANTING TO CONFESS TO HER WITH ZERO BUILDUP, THIS IS HOW SHIT THE LAST MOVIES WERE, IT AINT DIFFICULT TO DO BETTER
So if Jean is aged down are we expecting a young Cyclops?
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>>154958322They already casted Cyclops and he's a zoomer
>>154958291Sadly it feels like they're banking on the people who want to be invested into Peter and MJ to already be invested into Tom and Zendaya IRL so they only put certain highlights into the movies without providing any of the groundwork because shippers will just project Tom and Zendaya onto them I feel like I missed a movie when it comes to how people treat Peter and MJ as well as how the movies themselves treat them and I think this is the reason, I don't follow Tom and Zendaya gossip IRL
So I don't understand. Why Jean left? It's obvious that she was on the hospital or outside of it all the time because she had to breathe for Peter. Why escape as soon as he wakes up then?
>>154958405Writers needed her to leave because if she lives with Peter it becomes difficult to set up her joining the X men withoit having to write around him
>>154958405Scared of getting pregnant
>>154958405Didn't want to face jail time or being confronted by Peter
So Peter just had a spider super Saiyan mode he can engage whenever he wants huh
>>154956383You can't bring the height argument when Cyclops was put into a cuck house for 20 years by fucking king of manlets aka Wolverine.
>>154957680>>154957680Marvel rivals unironically made the symbiotes and phoenix force team up figuratively and literally to great effect
I don't even need shipping. I just want Peter and Jean to continue having a dynamic
>>154957695see >>154958563Just copy that and throw in the engima force jean mentioned to spidey in rivals
>>154956043Yelena was just going by original Avengers criteria
>I understood loneliness>And understood what love is>Making use of my five senses>I will save you>Which means I will also save myself>In the end we are>Both humanshttps://youtu.be/UZ4an60Zmvc
>>154957680How are symbiotes supposed to deal with a fucking fire bird?
>>154959133 Spider-man Brand New Day (Anime) season 1: episode 12!: "Peter vs Jean - I will save you!!"
>>154957201>>154957597>>154957673i didnt watch these movies whats the joke here why potato
>>154959379There's a scene where Yelena tells Spidey that her group (the new avengers) deals with big potato stuff and he deals with small potato stuff
>>154959379Yelena (the second black widow) says that the avengers only handle "big potato stuff" and its up to peter to handle "small potato stuff" like jeanturns out jean was colossal potato stuff and could probably solo the avengers
>>154959440>>154959432I onyl know Yelena as that woman from the black widow movie that had to read lines about getting a uterus extraction
>>154959133The comments are saying this plays at the end of the japanese dub of the movie?
>>154959610https://x.com/SpidermanMovieJ/status/2072817597054406957
>>154959643you know i really did not expect a video of kevin faige explaining the answer in detailthank you very much, this is the most thorough answer i have ever gotten on 4chan
>>154959643Well damn it's the feige himself huh
>>154959133I must be shipping brainwashed at this point because this song sounds like the kind of shit an anime hero would say that causes the girl to start crying and falling in love with him
>>154959643Alright when it comes to this movie in particular feige is based
>>154959643Feige has insanely good taste in japanese music apparently
The ship truly came out of nowhere and stuck. Crazy how that works.
I will save you, which means I will also save myself
>>154956043Is the movie as shipping heavy as the /co/ threads make it seem?
>>154960040lol no
>>154960040No but the dynamic is there
>>154960040this is literally potential ship. it has all of the settings in place for romantic kino but none of it is directPeter and Jean have a lot in common, but that is because they are written as rivals. The story is trying to make you compare them, it isn't really a romantic set upJean kisses him, and it is very likely she actually felt the sensation of being kissed by him through MJ, but she did that to fuck with his head. Feige confirmed there is no agegap, but that doesn't confirm the romancePeter says she has him in the end. But this isn't the same as a love confession, if anything it's just Pete being that good of a guyJean breathes for Peter, resuscitating him non stop for an unknown amount of time. You could theorize that she has fallen madly in love with him... OR she is just emotionally devoted to the first person who ever treated her with love and respect that wasn't her sister. That she was moved by kindness from a man she tortured. That is powerful without romance And now the cherry on top. The japanese theme of the movie is very romantically charged. "Going beyond I love you " "we are both humans" it feels like Peter pleading something from Jean. This song plays at the end credit montage of the japanese dub. But that's the dub, not the english version it was written in. For all we know the musician just thought it felt rightThe ship isn't canon for now. The ship just has a lot of chemistry. But chemistry isn't the same as canon. Scott is already confirmed to exist in the MCU and Peter is still hooked on MJ who seems to be putting the pieces of her memory back together.
>>154960040No, the dynamic just stirs the imagination.
>>154959133I can see why japanese viewers who sat through the credits would start shipping them
>>154959133"Making use of my five senses, I will save you" sounds like it is about Peter getting ready to take off the limiter and fight to reach Jean. He doesn't interact with MJ again after he storms the place
>>154960040>Is the movie as shipping heavyOnly for Peter and MJ even though it’s literally about him being unable to move on and loving her afar while she has a boyfriend. MJ also rejects his love confession in one scene because she has no memory of him. With Jean, there’s no explicit romance but you can argue the tension is there especially since they saved each other’s lives and there’s the “you have me” scene. The writers could easily set up a romance between Peter and Jean in a future movie if they are willing to handle the hordes of Tomdaya shippers.
I just checked and apparently other marvel movies don't have japanese themes like that, this is a unique case?
>>154956100And replace zendaya with her desu, it’s good they broke up Peter with black MJ , now he can be shipped with the white ginger Jean hebe from stranger things
>>154956457They need a tranny agenda, they hate they accidentally wrote an aryan couple
>>154956457enemies to lovers is usually really poorly done. this would immediately become a top 10 if it actually happened
>>154957680>This is the road that leads to Knull.It's time we start having some uncomfortable conversations.
>>154960359>this is a unique case?nohttps://natalie.mu/music/news/70746 - amazing spider-manhttps://natalie.mu/music/news/234882 - homecominghttps://natalie.mu/music/news/311611 - spider-versehttps://natalie.mu/music/news/334424 - far from homehttps://natalie.mu/music/news/455358 - no way homehttps://natalie.mu/music/news/525597 - spiderverse 2
>>154960490oh so its a sony thing?
None of my friends can see this ship when we discuss the movie.It’s a bit sad, since I notice that everyone arguing against it basically relies on the argument: "Only someone who doesn't interact with women would see a relationship between the two of them."I find it odd that Kevin Feige came out to clarify their ages and promoted the song.
>>154960512in the sense that sony is a japanese company and it's a japanese thing, yes.
>>154960562The song thing is so funny. Next we'll hear that Feige knows about all of the fanfiction that sprung up
>x-men are more popular when not isolated in their child solider schoolWho knew.
>>154960040The movie is about Jean vs Peter, so they have a lot of shared scenes, 4chan just twists it into romance
>>154960753They just need to show a universe in Secret Wars where Peter and Jean have a child
>>154957825God I would kill for Peter to become a teacher at Xavier's/Jean Grey's school. It just makes fucking sense for Spider-Man of all people to teach kids how to use their powers responsibly and live in a world that can make them feel alienated.
>>154957439>>154957389>>154956871100% unironically telling your friend you love them isn't gay at all, and it's pretty telling of a lack of confidence to feel gay about it.
>>154956100>Vague potential romance or sibling bond tailored to whichever is testing better with the audienceWhat happen to writer's CONVICTION?
The funniest thing they COULD do is ACTUALLLY give Peter and Jean an anime rivalry and by that I mean their interactions would make you think they are fucking each other unprotected but they never actually push the envelop either way and when you ask the director about it they say "Peter and Jean's bond cannot be defined by mere words" or some retarded bullshit like that. Have them say "I love you" on screen but in a context just vague enough to not be romantic.
>>154960895nigga this is just ZOOTOPIA
>>154960928I laughed so hard at this IRL. I don't normally laugh at anything on this site. At most a joke will made me smile. That shit got me.
39 years old jean vs 19 years old peteror39 years old peter vs 19 years old jean
The way the timeline in these films work, Jean's going to be a full fledged X-Man next time we see her.
>>154960956she is going to LEAD the x-people
>>154960928peter jean abortion manga
>>154960928Kek
>>154960777They cleared the path well enough for tension with the two building bonds and showing how much they had in common.
>>154960990Serious question. What would happen if they had a kid together, given Peter's kids tend to inherit his powers and Jean would likely result in the kid having an X-Gene? Would the kid just be classified as a mutant that happens to have Spider-Man powers as their mutation? Would it stack so they have Spider-Man powers and their mutant powers? Or would it hybridise into some sort of new powerset? The Phoenix and The Other shit seems like it'd complicate it even further.
>>154960928I hope you're proud of yourself for thinking of this
>>154960956>Jean has become a hero>when asked how does she deal with the hard decisions and choices the X-men face constantly>"I just think to myself....What Would Spider-Man Do?"
>>154961032Unlikely to stack. Mutants inherit a few attributes from their parents but their abilities don't mix like quirks. Rogue and Nightcrawler inherited things from Mystique that have almost nothing to do with her but are tangentially related in extremely tiny ways. In the comics and in Spider-verse Peter's children inherit his powers so we have to assume that would happen in the MCU. I assume any kid between Peter and JEan would have advanced Spider-sense and psychic resistance
>>154960928>just zootopia but with jean and peterah.. so thats why i can see it working so well
>>154960928a drawn out therapyspeak scene between peter and jean would break the internet
On Danbooru you can see all of the Jean Grey art just be comic Jean and then as soon as the movie drops it's an influx of Spider-man and Jean Grey shipping art
>>154961184this is definitely the most people have talked about jean grey in a long while
>>154956043Why are her boobs so big here? Is her psychic power stored in them?
>>154961229The "plainer" the face of the anime girl, the bigger the boobs. That's just how it is, I don't make the rules.
>>154959432Which is very funny in prospect since no one gives a shit about the "New Avengers", hell, most people don't even know that blonde was the new Black Widow
>>154961332>New AvengersI thought they were the Thunderbolts.
>>154956383>>154961228>Jean gets annoyed at Cyclops for hitting on her>has villain relapse and turns him gay out of petty vengeance>Jean then runs away to Peter in NY since she knows Prof X will fix it when he notices and she's going to get punished for that>Peter asks Jean why would she go to him since he's also going to tell her that turning people she finds annoying gay is wrong>Jean replies that if she's going to get the morality lecture anyway she prefers to get it from someone who finds what she did secretly funny>cue friendly banter and morality lecture why turning people gay is wrong
>>154961338It was the punchline of the movie. I don't know if this was always the idea, or if it was hastily added on to the marketing as it became clearer the MCU really was in trouble. It was obviously always meant to be part of the ending, though.Anyway, as the movie got closer to release, they began teasing some sort of "asterisks" symbolism. The cast being arranged in the arms of the *, it being added to the title, etc. In the movie itself, and during the credits, it's revealed the scummy woman they were all working for/the villain of the movie, in order to save her ass, says they're going to be The New Avengers. And them all being needy losers, go along with it.
>>154961387>>Jean replies that if she's going to get the morality lecture anyway she prefers to get it from someone who finds what she did secretly funny>>cue friendly banter and morality lecture why turning people gay is wrongShakespeare.
>>154961338They were but no one watched it
>disney property>age debate
>>154959379What they said.
I can't imagine they won't reuse the "you have me" line when peter gets the symbiote, surely the director understands how impactful it is in universe
Peter really can't stay away from cats and redheads huh.
>>154961699>I have no one>you have me>...>what's wr-mpphh!
>>154961717I am never going to get tired of these drawings of them staring at each other and Peter being way the fuck taller than he's supposed to be
>>154961032>The Phoenix and The Other shit seems like it'd complicate it even further.If they were to have a child together, the kid would be an avatar of both The Other and The Phoenix, giving it some level of control over the Web of Life and Destiny as well as The White Hot Room. The kid would basically inheriting Le ebin Chosen One status by the power of two thanks to their dad being a spider-totem, and their mom being physical embodiment of the phoenix.I can imagine though that combination of inherited factors doesn’t bode well if the kid lashes out since The Other would manifest its feral arachnid features while the Dark Phoenix persona would further cause their child to embrace even more destructive attributes of itself.
>>154961794>Peter and Jean’s child would be an insane anthropromorphic hairy spider that’s on fire>this is just their kid throwing a tantrum over not being able to stay up past 9
It's funny how Peter and Jean have a ridiculous amount of things in common and most of those things are not in this film
>>154961794Considering MCU Peter has a built in arachnid mode the kid would basically be able to go Phoenix Arachnid Dragon deathzilla mode
Marvel's Morally Grey Characters are EvilReal Life Fake Wizard and JesterBellhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7u2N9adZ89g
>>154961794>>154961816The Fantastic Four become family friends with Sue setting up playdates between Franklin and the freaky spider-phoenix child.
if the mcu ever paired up peter and jean we would be looking at a multimedia franchise synergy disaster on the rest of the spider man franchise
>>154961032When mutants have kids with other mutants, their powers usually hybridise (Ruby Summers, Raze Darkholme, etc.) but if humans that got their powers from external sources have children with a mutant, they’d inherit both powers separately but depending on the kind of powers, if they synergize well, they complement each other by making each power potentially stronger than even their parents.So a Jean and Peter kid would inherit their mom’s telekinesis, empathy, and psionics and their dad’s wallcrawling, superhuman physiology, and organic webs, but their telepathy and spider-sense would get massively boosted to the point they may as well be a precog.
>>154961032I imagine some kind of Franklin Richards style immensily powerful kid who will get more powerful as they get older since they are basically the child of the Phoenix (Jean is the Phoenix) and The Other (Peter being his...incarnation? avatar? it's mortal icon?)Speaking of the Other, the movie was basically about the Other storyline. They even had the webbed rebirth scene.
>>154961794>>154961846Actually...since the Other is evolution (among other things through the Web of Time), wouldn't it perfectly complement the Phoenix, which is the multiversal force of life and change?...Marvel please, you have done things that make way less sense than this. Please give us Jean/Peter.I promise I will not talk shit about Krakoa if you do so, no matter the orgies, genocides, deadbeat dads and racism.
>>154961853I don’t think the kid would be as powerful as Franklin but their potential would be pretty comparable to him in his adult state if he taps into both the Great Web and White Hot Room.Their child have to tap into both sides as an avatar to both The Other and The Phoenix, which neither of the kid’s parents would want for them given their shared histories of both entities not having their respective hosts’ best in mind.They’d basically do what Reed does with Franklin but to a much more extreme degree; making sure they know nothing of their inherited status as much as possible. One can imagine a storyline where both the entities manifest in their human forms (Miss Arrow and Firehair respectively) in an attempt to persuade the kid to being about their full potential as an avatar if two animalistic cosmic beings that regulate the state of the multiverse.
>>154956584If they had balls they make Naruto lost his virginity to Tsunade
>>154961699>when peter gets the symbiote>In the original Marvel comics, Peter Parker first got the symbiote in Secret Wars #8,>Sadie Sink and Tom Holland will likely return in ‘Avengers: Secret WarsPeak Incoming
JEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
>>154957888Perfect
>>154961775Girls want only one thing and it's fucking disgusting.
>>154961693What is with girlfailures and potatoes?
>>154960197Based japs
>>154961693Yelena is so cute. Surprisingly one of the best characters in nu-MCU. Glad we get more of her.
>>154959133If Peter is talking to MJ here he sounds pathetic
>>154959133CHECKED.Japan really loves this ship...
>>154962433That is if he's singing about Jean
>>154962417>The three of them go online to say Peter and Jean are siblings
>>154962438Those lyrics in no way is for MJ.Please tell me why you don't think so.
>>154962417I am afraid this is peak.
Granted Jean's more of a Yan than a Tsun
>>154962461It seems a bit wild for Peter to sing about loving Jean, the girl who tortured him. Having a bond is one thing but love?
>>154962471It would also be cringe as fuck to sing that to a woman who said "I don't love you, I am not her, I have a boyfriend" and has acting skills of a cardboard
>>154956043I didn't really like Peter's obsession with MJ this movie, they dated for a few months and he's just been stalking her for 4 years or something kek
>>154962471That is, if we assume that it's Peter singing it.Sure, the main vocal is a guy, but the chorus lyrics are about someone whose views were darkened until they heard words of encouragement and realized they had someone else to rely on now. >Going beyond "I love you">So I guess I'm not alone anymore>If I'm up-beat>The darkness will lift>Ah, while hold your words close to my heart, yeah
>>154962417>Wolverine in the back,standing on the two cuck chairs stacked on one anotherKino
>>154956490Not true, the difference is that western portrays rivals differently. Usually the hero is the brawn while his arch enemy is the brain (loki, lex, joker) where as in Japan the rival is the phyical match to the hero (sasuke, vergil, vegeta)
>>154961982
>>154957680A while back they revealed that the symbiotes are actually on the same tier as the Beyonders.Yes it was incredibly retarded.
Parkerfags are so cringe, you are not peter parker, you need to stop self inserting as him you creeps
>>154960040>Is the movie as shipping heavy as the /co/ threads make it seem?NoThe reason this ship exploded is because people mistakes kindness, decency, and mutual respect for one another as romantic chemistry Peter treated Jean as a person that went through bad experiences just like him and wanted to save her People see Peter validating Jean's existence and the horrors she went through and get wishful thinking over them being togetherThe movie itself hits this right on the head as Jeans leaves after everything is over It also doesn't help that he has little chemistry with his own MJ(which is funny since she's his wife) and they didn't really seem to bond so much as jump into a relationship together with no real meat to it
>>154956506I know they're really fucking obsessed with killing off Peter in every media and replacing him with Miles, but holy fuck I don't know a single person that prefers him to Peter. Even black people, the people who should be his primary audience, prefer Peter to Miles. I see black kids every so often wearing Spider-Man outfits and it's always the Peter outfit.
I just think the fanart of Jean getting into the possession kiss is really funny>pehlehlehlehlehlehlehlehleh haha i tricked you haha... ah... yeah...
>>154962714Is this why Lucinafag exists?
>>154962724This is what lonliness, pornbrain and shipping goggles does to people.
>>154962971the goyim have gone insane
>>154956043Spiderman is highly satanic because he's part spider aka DEMON
>>154962724Look man, all of those were lacking with MJ.Fucking hell, out of three major scenes MJ had. One had Jean possessing her so it doesn't count, the one involved MJ showing herself as a genius girlboss who figured the thing Peter missed (aka shit scene) and the third involved saying to Peter she doesn't love him and she isn't the woman he remembers.
>>154960040its canon
It's doing numbers
>>154963391If Peter's not playing, pass the controller
>>154960040It's the possession kiss that really drives the imaginations into overdrive with the shippers
>>154960040The concept of someone going into BND and expecting a shipping heavy movie is killing me, lmao
>>154960562They should have cast an actress with bigger boobs and had her show cleavage. Then they'd see it.
>>154956383>STUDclopsCuckclops is mostly known as the guy that gets cucked by Wolverine a manlet
>>154956475>>154956559>>154956808Many more reasons for i to be a batfag.Cuckoldery runs deep in nip thanks to spider man.
>>154963482You're saying this when the most popular Batman Cartoon had Bruce cuck Dick with Barbara.
>>154962724I mean, at the end of the day Jean did kiss him for zero practical reason. And she also breathed for him while he was dying, probably the most absurdly sappy shit a person could write in a romance novel. And while it wasn't factored in on release, the Japanese theme song is blatantly a love song seemingly from Peter or Jean's perspective. I don't think it's wholly baseless for someone to think there is some sort of romantic undertone to their relationship or that Jean may have developed feelings for him by the end of the movie. And MJ rejecting Peter leaves him opens him up.
>>154963522Apparently Sadie the kissed. She was jealous that Peter still had people he cared about, so she wanted to tear him down.
>>154961775>How to tell art is made by a woman
>>154961775>>154962159>>154963620I'm suprised girls even like tom, since he's a spider-manlet
>>154961693
>>154963626He's cute, buff, funny, and charming. Also a great dancer. No, I'm not gay, I'm just stating facts.
The good ol' days of shipping everyone with Spider-Man
>Far From Home Days>Camrip is shitty>No Way HomeCamrip is shitty>Brand New Day>Two different camrips with one with really good qualityWhat changed?
>>154963669technology evolves with time
>>154962971Who is the girl with the drills?
>>154963700Kasane Teto, a Vocaloid girl.
>>154963634zendaya...
>>154963708why is she there
>>154963721No idea
>>154963721>>154963735This is a good enough excuse to put her there I suppose:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G59XcSX4fc
>>154961338Since we're asking, couldn't they give them some more interesting super powers too?
>>154961699>symbiote has no one :(>peter won't even be there for himwhat a dick
>>154964010Lore accurate tho, Peter never wanted the symbiote, it was too aggressive.
Is tom spider man even appearing in secret wars? They haven't shown him in trailers or the cast list
>>154962724>kindness, decency, and mutual respect for one anotheras an aside why doesn't mj have any of these?
>>154964085There is no trailer or full cast list for Secret Wars. Doomsday first. Secret Wars hasn't even filmed yet.
>Tom Peter: Does it come out anywhere else?Now he'll know about the Webs.
>>154963626hes a celebrity and doesn't look like danny devitodon't overthink it
>>154963721Why is ashley from resident evil 4?
>>154956383Scott's whole thing is getting cucked by manlets. It makes it even funnier.
>>154964163Pretty sure that's Gwen
>>154964085We know he's not in Doomsday because scheduling conflicts due to Odyssey and BND, but we don't know about Secret Wars.
>>154957597I don't know a single character on the right except Buckey.Is that really their lineup for doomsday?If they haven't made me casually aware of who these characters are, the avengers might as well be dead as a team.
>>154964085Secret Wars won't officially announce it's cast until Doomsday has aired.Tom Spidey is 100% not in Doomsday, but likely will show up in Secret Wars - it's where comic Peter originally got the Black Suit
>>154960753Every character would be more popular if you show them interacting with other people. It feels way more "real lifey" and honestly I'm still not sure why they keep churrning out so much main character goyslop when cultural maturity pretty much passed this thing 20 years ago.
>>154956043How many shippers actually watched the movie to know she is an evil murderer?
>>154962728>hear some black girl while I watch spiderverse>shes liking the movie decently enough>peter shows up>she all of sudden starts going crazy screaming PETER PARKERYeah sounds about right
>>154964288All of them desu
>>154964319well thats different becuase she just wants a BWC
>>154964319Women of all race love Peter Parker. Especially Asian Women, because Japanese, Chinese, and Korean women are the ones drawing all the Peter/Jean art.
>>154964340Honestly how do they even know who peter parker is? Comic books are a niche there and most osmosis art of spider-man is just gonna be his spider-man form. Were the rami movies just big there or something? Can't imagine they watched the cartoons either.
>>154964364Japan dubbed the 90s series in like 2000s. The Spider-Man movies were popular. Kishimoto himself says he loves the Amazing Spider-Man 2. Without Japanese Spider-Man, there would be no Super Sentai Giant Robots or Kamen Rider. The two PS1 Spider-Man games were dubbed in Japanese and have fucking Shinichiro Miki as Spider-Man. The first Spider-Man movie game was also dubbed In Japanese. Also, I saw quite a few Spider-Verse arts, mostly of Gwen by the Japanese. Spider-Man's appearance in Marvel vs Capcom 3 was also revealed in a Japanese Event because Japan fucking loves Spider-Man.
>>154964334A-anon when I say girl I meant like a little girl but your not wrong anyway
>>154964364Marvel animated stuff consistently gets dubbed usually, the new marvel tokon game is comprised off a bunch of VAs whove been doing the same marvel stuff for years
>>154964364>>154964414Also, want something really crazy? Fate/Zero, the prequel to Fate/stay night only exists because of Spider-Man!>Gen Urobuchi: I remember watching Spiderman II. When I saw Peter wishing that he doesn't have the powers that changed his body, I also thought 'Perhaps, I wish to never write another script again!' Therefore, I visited my friend Nasu Kinoko's house on the afternoon of the next day, and wanted to tell him my true intention. But before I spoke with him about what I've been thinking in my heart, Takashi Takeuchi got ahead of me and started talking. And as soon as he spoke he brought up an unthought-of proposal.
https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/marvel-weekly-shonen-jump-art-exchange-my-hero-academia-final-volume>Horikoshi: I've always wondered what it means to be a hero, especially when I was writing My Hero Academia. At some point, I finally came to the conclusion that what that means is being a strong part of a community, helping a friendly neighborhood, which is why I respect Spider-Man so much.
>>154964085It'd be pretty dumb not to put Spider-Man in Secret Wars, both versions of Secret Wars had giant ramifications for him moving forward.And like the other anons said, he's probably not in Doomsday for logistical reasons with his schedule.
>>154964364Half the shonen is written by Spider-Man fans
>>154964288>Implying that's not a plus
>>154956129
>>154956043We need more JeanXPeter
>Symbiote goes to Jean because they both have Peter lust>Jean is now invisible to Peter's spider sense and can mind rape him at any timeOh no...
>>154960863>t. Tranny
>>154964495Aren't they spider-man fans like chris pratt is a mario fan?
Post YFW the plot of Darkest Day involves Peter raping Jean while under the Symbiote's control
>>154964480The chess art for Doomsday shows every piece knocked over except for the King. With a spider approaching it. I suppose you could assume it's about Tobey Maguire, as he is in the movie, but then the Russo Brothers drew an art piece of Holland Spider-Man holding the King piece.IMO It pretty strongly hints that Peter is going to be very important in Doomsday and Secret Wars. It's just a question of how exactly. Assuming it really is about MCU Peter I'd assume it will be revealed in the post-credits.
>>154964570how can it be rape when she consents?
>>154964288evil women are in these days
>>154964563Japan LOVES Spider-Man
>>154964534>Venom: I know what you want jean.. Your desires, let me... help. you.>*Jean accepts it*>Peter now has to deal with a yandere gal that can literally solo the entire earth of she's not getting with himWhat does Spidey do in this situation?
>>154964610>Peter is about to submit>Then Phoenix shit happens>Phoenix doesn't like the Symbiote in Jean>Symbiote doesn't like the Phoenix>Jean's mind is getting scrambled dealing with both of them, so she passes out
>>154964610*bes there*
>>154964523Link please
>Jean: You're gonna tell me off for messing with people's minds?>Xavier: Hell no. You should fuck with them some more. It's always fun. Yesterday I made Logan wear a dress and erased his memory of it.>Jean: Being a telepath is fun!
>>154964707>Xavier: Remember Jean, your strongest weapon isn't freezing people. It's shooting images of the holocaust into their heads.
>>154964707> You should fuck with them some more. It's always funthat's pretty much how it was with her and her sister in the park
>Wanda somehow returns>We get Wanda vs Jean>In their battle, a big side effect happens>In a reverse of House of M's no more mutants moment, a whole bunch of mutants'' powers from across the planet suddenly activate
>*Cyclops had enough of telepaths*>Phoenix chooses him over Jean >PhoenixClop reveals that Charles is a habitual groomer >Flies away>Incoming call from SpideyAgent Venom movie ft Jean and Peter
>>154964707Movie where Jean goes up against the rest of the X-Men, not because of the Dark Phoenix, but because what Xavier and his mutant Mossad are doing isn't right. It's what Peter would do.
>>154964746Ah, the holocaust beam school of telepathy.
>>154962724Everything you listed is the basic bitch ingredients for romantic relationships. Is swipe culture teaching people that you need a six pack and send dic pics first?
>>154964523how awkward would the first jean and MJ/ned meetup be?
>>154964687It's Kunaboto-style venus body slop with giant protruding nipples, tits dwarfing her own body and fat rolls.
>>154964817>Jean has eyes everywhere >Peter has abs>Jean is right there when he got new powersTwo scene where Peter is naked and Jean
>>154964864Is right there
>>154958405Because there was a hell of a storm coming down on her and it would be even worse for Peter if he got caught up in it. She did psychically control a large portion of the city
Sara wasn't actually dead. It was the world's greatest prank.
I know this will probably not going to happen, but I'm genuinely willing now to see an AU Spider-Man run of both Jean and Peter being a thing that's similar to the movie.I do believe Marvel will try something given the Insane popularity the ship got, not sure what though.If they're feeling adventurous, a AU mini. It they're feeling safe, they will probably make them more friendly or interact more in the main universe.
>>154964900Sara is definitely dead. In the comics, she wants omega like Jean. There is no upper limit like Jean
>>154964918Wasnt*
>>154964364Spiderman had a Kamen Rider esque show co produced by Marvel in the late 70s which made Spiderman a cultural icon there. He wasn't Peter Parker admittedly but they know about about Spidey's general lore to know him. And Spiderman is one of Japan's favorite western heroes because he's very Japanese coded to them, he's youngish (25 plus heroes in Japan are rare because they see anyone over that age as belonging in the office) he has a full body covering like Sentai/Kamen Rider he has simple and humble beginnings, he's relatively polite outside of costume and his personal life drastically suffers from his heroics.They like Batman too but there's always this air of "Why is this 40 year old guy running around punching criminals instead of doing Ojisan things"
>>154964604Fun Fact the reason Leopardon always just stays out of frame from the monster and throws the sword at it for most of the later episodes is because they lost the suit.
>>154957201>>154957597>>154961693>>154963630I'd like Yelena and Illyana to be friends for Russian reasons.
>>154964364There is a special made for this movie where the creator of Naruto says he was a big spider man fan for decades
well meaning veteran hero x troubled girl just guaranteed to succeed?
>>154965151Wasn't the fake blonde superheroine more famous as a pairing with him?
>>154964523YES!
The two times Jean and Peter have a lengthy conversation he doubles down on siding with Damage control. Jean thinks he's their stooge
>>154965192Is this the "first kiss, expecting tongue" meme?
>>154965162iirc robertvisi was the most popular choice when the first came out, and then later on blazer got more appreciation as people replayed
>>154965200jean is kind of retarded then because he clearly is going after her because she's being a terrorist, not because he likes damage control
I fucking love these 2. I envy Peter so much
>>154965246>jean could literally go into his mind and see herself having sex with him>jean can just completely mind control him and make him furiously fuck her in ways he wouldn't normally want to>she can also just activate his rage mode toothese two could blow up peter's apartment with their freakiness
>>154965298He will "shoot his white and sticky web" all over the apartment, kek
>>154957702It's a Brand New Day for Jean Grey and Peter, who will now elope and start a new life together.
if you think about it, it could be a genius move for marvel. they must know the the MCU is in decline and they could boost the x-franchise by tying an x-man to their most popular character
>>154964058>Peter never wanted the symbiote, it was too aggressive.>too aggressiveSo is Jean
I NEED symbiote vs Phoenix
Didn't MJs perspective make like no fuckong sense? "well I don't remember you so I don't love you!" "also I'm mad for some reason!" Like what the hell? Any other movie I have amnesia to prince charming would be the openning act. Also spider-man is a super hero. Hes physically powerful, high status, famous, hyper intelligent (world class inventor she witnesses personally), and unique as in one in the world, no one else has spider powers. This would be like if a woman was dating an athlete, actor and politician all in one. And then shes just like "nah Imma see if works out with the jeet first" ?? Like what the hell imagine if any woman in todays society had de carprio come up to them would they so no because they "don't know him?" lol.
>>154965717>The love of your life promises to see you again before your memory gets wiped>Doesn't
>>154956383If he’s such a stud, how come he keeps losing his girls to Spider-King. Admit it, Cyclop and his fags were the girl’s fallback girl/prom date
>>154965842Fallback boy*
I want an undercover Spidey/Peter to track down a reclusive Jean and convince her to help out with big potato stuff in Secret Wars, like an inverse of Nat finding Bruce in Avengers.
Japanese oat is literally a love confession from someone saying "I will save you to save myself" and "we are both human"
>>154965809>for your protectionromance
If they actually make SpiderPhoenix canon I will personally forgive everything Marvel has ever done for the past few decades.I'll even watch those shitty MCU TV shows and movies as well as support Doomsday which will probably be an absolute mess of a movie.I just want them to be happy together. I think a lot of people share the same sentiment.
Peter and MJ getting back together at this point would feel so clunky even if he doesn't get together with Jean
>>154965872Same but instead I will stop calling Krakoa a shitshow
>>154965881man i swear if they go the route of peter trying to steal back michelle jones from her current bf instead of going full jean i will personally go to feige's mansion and rape him
>>154965872Doomsday sounds cool. As someone who stopped with endgame minus all the spiderman movies, the new FF and thunderbolts (I skipped around) I'm quite happy with the whole franchise honestly.
>>154966015Like honestly I don't even know what the reward would be. Shes not a good girlfriend. And other than being that points out simple solution to eggheads rpoblem I don't so how shes better than peter getting any other woman on the street. This is new york afterall. At least jean is from the superhuman world.
>>154966015I think part of the reason people are really going for this ship, and not to take anything away from it because it is fun, is because this is probably the last opportunity to bail out of the disastrously uncompelling MJ ship in a way that makes narrative sense
>>154965881The easy solution would be to introduce Gwen, make her one of Michelle's college friends and then kill her so MJ and Peter get back together over grief
>>154965717>>154965881The whole arc between MJ and Peter makes even less sense.Look at the romance plots in the Raimi and Webb films. It took at least two movies for each separate Spider-Man to develop the romantic relationships between their respective love interests. MCU Peter and MJ have only been developed over the course of a single movie (no, just because they started dating towards the end of the last movie doesn't count), and since the span of time between Far From Home and No Way Home took place over the course of like a week or so, and by the end of the latter film, Peter decided to erase her memories of both him as Peter and as Spider-Man, it makes zero fucking sense narratively for them to get back together.On top of it betraying the core point of the story where Peter has to move on and live with the consequences of his decision (MJ even points out that whatever spell he did worked very well because she literally feels NOTHING for him at all; Jean wasn't even lying about that when she possessed her body kek), the audience wouldn't be given a reason to care why they should get back together when MJ hardly knew his double life. The only reason people fucking care is because they're parasocial over the actors actual relationship with each other since they got fucking married over the course of the trilogy and since Tom is a producer on the movies, he's not going to just let his character grow and move on from the woman whose role that his own wife acted as when this was the whole reason they even got together in the first place.
>>154965881People claiming that the Jean/Peter ship is wish fulfillment not recognizing that them getting back together would be the ultimate "fuck it we're creatively bankrupt" choices possible, cementing Peter's oneitis for a girl that doesn't even like or need him
>>154966242I was thinking the same thingThe main tether for Peter and MJ is literally that they went to school together and are in the same circles. That is it. Getting together with her IS a self insert fantasy of banging your highschool crush forever
they had like 4 movies to flesh out MJ and they couldn't go beyond quirky girl. even raimi MJ has motivations and origins, despite being an infinitely "worse" girlfriend
>>154966234If they DONT go their seperate ways I'm honestly curious as to why they chose to do the whole secret identity reveal and forget spell anyway. Like the mcu kickstarter ends with tony revealing himself. Fantastic 4 have always done it. Forget, then rebuild, ok but hes like vibing and best buds with ned right off the bat? Theres no profress here its just like the whole episode doesn't matter. >they did it for the multiverseCouldn't they have come up with literally any other reason for them to come to the mcu world?
>>154966234MJ falling in love with Peter again also feels like rewarding the thing he learned not to do. He broke his promise to her to remind her immediately. Falling back into his arms after that feels so fairy tale People are literally rooting for it because they're obsessed with the actors
>>154966465Call it cope, but I really believe it will not be received well at this point if they shoehorn in some way of getting them back together in the next one.
>>154966465No anon, fuck off with that whore, Peter deserves much better.
>>154966612I think you misunderstood me
Going beyond I love youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ4an60Zmvc
>>154966722damn i didn't think about the parallels to may's death. this ship is growing on me...
>>154956383Growing up in the 90s and early 00s NOBODY gave a shit about this guy. We all thought he was lame like Captain America and Superman. Everyone growing up liked Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine.
they should keep the "jacket" look for this version of jean when she gets her x-man uniform, seeing sadie's jean in a generic tacticool mcu costume would suck so much ass ngl. we need to keep the murder hobo drip.
>>154956383>>Kit Connor's estimated height: 185 cmAlso, he's gay. Like Scott. :)
>>154966917Literally described my childhood. I had the hulk hands, spider-man webshooter gloves, and thought Wolverine was the leader of the X-men. Didn't know Captain America, I did like Superman and Batman because of the Justice League cartoon.
>>154966321Hell, even in the comics they're arguably more developed than the MCU.Peter didn't fall in love with MJ. He fell in love with Gwen first, and then she died, he had to move on from her demise and that brought him close with MJ since she was also close friends with her. It's from there that comics Peter and MJ's relationship grew so strong because Gwen's death was the catalyst from that.Contrast this with the MCU where Peter didn't even knew who the hell this MJ was until the end of the first movie, didn't start dating until the end of the second movie, and then over the course of a couple days, just completely eradicate any memories of the relationship and you as an individual on an existential level by the end of the third movie. It's so fucking clunky and rushed, at least the Raimi and Webb movies took their fucking time with making sure the romantic relationship dynamics in their films worked well. The MCU took too much time turning Peter into Iron Boy going on and on about legacy at the expense of actually giving his own circle the proper development they sorely needed.
>>154966987It wasn't just that either. He was never serious about MJ, but he had known her for awhile and he wasn't really going steady with Gwen yet either when they met. But Gwen was always the more serious person and MJ was just a vapid, easy going party girl who occasionally lifted Peter's spirits. It was later her character got fleshed out and Gwen's death itself that prompted MJ to start showing a bit more of a real person underneath her shallow, just go with life behavior. Actually being there for Peter in a real way, and not just some pixie that flits in and out of his day as she wants.The problems with adaptations isn't that they change things, this is somewhat inevitable for many things (though not always most). It's thoughtlessly changing things without understanding why they were what they were to begin with. Peter-Gwen-MJ was severely complicated in the comics by their larger social group and the casual dating atmosphere of it. No one was all that serious most of the time, which allowed Peter to get to know both for a bit, even as the relationship with Gwen was always more dynamic. By the time anything became more serious, they'd been through a lot and their characters began to develop out of that history. Peter and MJ's relationship was solid because it spent literal decades being built up over their shared history and growth as people.The movies, obviously, can't do that, so they need to find something else. There NEEDS to be something else, because just going "well it's Spidey and MJ, obviously?" They've had four fucking movies with this set up, more than any other got, and they've never managed to justify why there's really any relationship at all. No wonder people latched onto a Naruto-esque shipping idea.
>>154966722I fucking love how damn ruthless she is
>>154967268I hope they don't soften her. I like the idea of her actually being willing to flatten everyone in her path
>>154967268
>>154967278I FUCKING LOVE HER!t. Tom>>154967275Same. She is fun like that, make her fight against the temptation to break the law and try to follow Peter's example but still remain somewhat villanous. When crossed, make her flatten everyone in her path and keep her dangerous.She'd be a great foil to purple man
>>154967275>I hope they don't soften herher not softening at all would kind of spit in the face of this movies ending
>>154966987and hes still simping over her 4 years later in nyc...talk about unrealistic
>>154967322I like the idea of her performatively softening but internally struggling with it
i also noticed that jean "quips" when she plays other people but when it came to her real self she becomes serious and reserved, just like how spidey acts when he's wearing the mask.
>>154967322>end of the movie>jean just likes peter, never cared about the lesson>just spits in the face of his morals and manipulates him for her desires>pretends to be a good girl in front of him>goes ape shit against his enemies he spares afterward>waiting period gets suspiciously shorter the closer their relationship gets>peter must solve his greatest mystery yet
>>154967201It's one of my criticisms of the Raimi films. MJ's entire purpose was to add a bit of drama and personal conflict into Peter's life. She existed to be someone for Peter to pine for, someone to stir Peter's emotions. And because of this, her character became somewhat difficult to like. She was a bit of a tool, her personality moulded to create as many ups and downs in Peter's life as possible. This is why in Spider-Man 2, she was on the verge of marrying a man that she didn't really love, and the second Peter showed up at her wedding at the last possible moment, she didn't think twice about leaving him at the alter. This is what Mary Jane's become in the past twenty-seven years. Someone who exists purely to rock the boat, to add more drama into Peter's already tumultuous life. She's just another method to make him more miserable. It's permeated throughout all media. Not just the Raimi films, but also the video games and even the comics. She exists as a way for the writers to make Peter's life just a little harder.
>>154967433...theyre...just siblings!
>>154967433That is really an interesting parallel. My take on Jean is that she has decided to be the "mutant" instead of a "person" which is why she tried to force that comparison on Peter She is okay with hurting people because she is committed that she can't just live with them
>>154967456>This is why in Spider-Man 2, she was on the verge of marrying a man that she didn't really love, and the second Peter showed up at her wedding at the last possible moment, she didn't think twice about leaving him at the alterStill the worst thing Kirsten Dunst M.J ever did, Considering that J Jonna Jameson's son wasn't even that bad a guy, yet she strung him on right until their wedding, just to make Peter Jealous.
>>154967485yeah, theres a thing throughout the movie where she keeps reminding him about how he can't even keep the monster inside of him.. Jean has pretty much decided to say "fuck it" and start acting like how everyone has treated her, and sees Peter as the same as her but still pretending to play hero.I like how they were able to do the "You and I are not so different" but not make it cliche while still harkening back to it. I love it when Peter's villains are foils to him, that's the shit I NEED.
This movie did an outstanding job of creating parallels between Jean and Peter even though the result makes Jean difficult to sympathize with
>>154967275she should only soften in the presence of peter
>>154964319My theater went apeshit when eistein showed up in oppenheimer. I wouldn't look too much into it. People just like to see people they know.
>>154967659Epstein was in Oppenheimer?
>>154967456>>154967508The thing is, the Raimi movies also make it clear why there's a relationship. Both Peter and MJ are desperate, clearly horny people. Like, there's just an explicit sexual attraction there that is pretty obviously a big part of the dynamic. Add on top of that how both feel like they're struggling to be the people they want and live the lives they want and both provide validation to the other, it's pretty understandable why they do what they do. It's not good of them, and it's not written in a way I like or think is good either, but it's something you can grasp.Even the Webb movies did this with Gwen. At the very least, there used to be an ability to, even if it was standard relationship nonsense, the ability to reasonably portray people just being into each other and doing stupid shit because what they wanted was to be with the other person.That's missing in the MCU Spidey movies. Peter, obviously, is into the girls, and there's some return of affection, but there's simply a lack of "this is why they do stupid shit to each other" from the other direction. The relationship is entirely aspirational on Peter's end and there's not a clear feed back from the other direction that makes him look anything but kind of pathetic and desperate.
>>154967201>There NEEDS to be something else, because just going "well it's Spidey and MJ, obviously?" They've had four fucking movies with this set up, more than any other got, and they've never managed to justify why there's really any relationship at all. No wonder people latched onto a Naruto-esque shipping idea.They're also competing with Raimi's Peter and MJ. It's funny, really. She may have been a terrible MJ, but at least she was an MJ to begin with. Name, appearance, hobbies, and all.The fact that they feel the need to get further and further away from whatever the previous adaptation came before so that audiences no longer associate that version with whatever portrayal they're trying to do is asinine. They're just writing themselves into a corner here because the MJ for the MCU ha nothing in common with ANY version of MJ in any Spider-Man media in fucking years.
>>154962417FUCKING BASED
>>154959133>https://youtu.be/UZ4an60ZmvcKINO!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfSnkBz3K-8
honestly scott x jean would feel to safe at this point, so this is a good thing. they can do emma x scott and spidey x jean and it'll be actually something that feels fresh in live action
>>154967778>are desperate, clearly horny peoplethats like 80% of the human populationreally don't need more to a romance story than he was a boy she was a girl
>>154962724>people mistakes kindness, decency, and mutual respect for one another as romantic chemistrythis is such a dumb correlation. You need to be kind, decent, and respectful to be in a romantic relationship. Such concepts aren't mutually exclusive. In fact, the claim is even more stupid because it implies that you don't need such things to be in a romantic relationship, or that such things should be taken for granted when, in fact, no one owes any of those to anyone.I get that the movie wasn't trying to be shippy, but let's not pretend that the people who wrote it didn't see it coming as a possibility
>>154967785Its crazy because they just could have given him any of the other dozen girls hes been with
>>154965842kekclops actually loses his girls to everyone, I remember that time O5 Jean chose Beast over himIf he was smart he would've gone for Ms. Marvel
>>154967893Yeah but modern "creatives" don't do it anymore. That's why "MJ" sucks in modern spider man. Like, they still managed to make Zendaya have a girlboss moment in the film.
>>154957667Madeline Pryor and Ben Reilly have great chemistry in the comics
>>154967906>Its crazy because they just could have given him any of the other dozen girls hes been withThe problem with that is that apart from MJ and Gwen, none of the other girls Peter's been with has real tangible staying power. MJ was the girl-next-door that Peter managed to bag, and Gwen was the first love and the only one that Peter tragically failed to save. Liz Allen? Carlie Cooper? Fucking CAROL??? None of these bitches are worth the salt of a pound of MJ or a Gwen.
>>154968064>Every spiderman movie is good actuallywhat the fuck?
the japanese love her
>>154968132Of course they love her. Her archetype's always been popular in anime. It's why even though she's kind of a bitch, she's weirdly popular. Even if it's /co/, at its core, 4chan was originally a Vietnamese basket-weaving forum.
>>154964604Spider-Man is literally the entire reason the Sentai/Power Rangers genre exists.
>>154968034Just make them so. This the mcu. Be so good the comics follow.
telepath girlfriend sounds like hell, but spidey can handle it right?
>>154968064Far From Home is legit trash though. Only the Mysterio sequence can be saved.Homecoming is meh 6/10. Too much Iron ManThe other two are good
>>154968096Across the Spider-Verse is fucking trash.
>>154968251I don't remember much of Far From Home, but the final action sequences were really cool.
>if they get together peter's 2nd love interest was also the villain that broke him the most since the green goblin>but she is also immensely guilty about it and will do anything for forgivenessgood lord. that is an insane dynamic, if you think about it.
>>154968244Power rangers were based off spiderman? I guess they look kinda similar, just added asian group dynamics, weapons, mechs and giant monsters.
>>154968250He couldn't even handle her till she reached her lowest point.
>>154968308I do. It was 10/10 all the way through.
>>154968319relatable now the most men don't fight anymore
>>154968321>Power rangers were based off spiderman?Pretty much, Supaidaman came about because Stan Lee went to Toei with the idea of doing regional versions of characters, Toei would do a Japanese version of Spider-man and Marvel would to an American version of Toei characters. Marvel never got around to doing any of the Toei stuff, but Supaidaman became a massive hit in Japan and kids loved the giant robot Leopardon and the toys sold like crazy, so Toei reworked how they did their Sentai shows moving forward, adding in vehicles and giant robots fighting giant monsters. Which became the standard format for Sentai. Then in the 90s Haim Saban saw how much kids loved the Sentai stuff in Japan and figured it would work for American kids too, so they licensed all of the footage with the heroes in costume and the fighting robot stuff and shot new footage with American actors to make Power Rangers.
>>154964414Kamen Rider was before Japanese Spider-Man but Sentai was definitely influenced by the show. I'm no expert but Ishinomori might have been influenced by western comics, given how Kamen Rider's rogues gallery share the animal theme as Spider-Man and Kamen Rider himself is arthropod influenced.
>>154967470Even if Fiege announced tomorrow that they will just be platonic going forward it's still probably the best relationship the MCU has done in years. Maybe ever and I'd rather see them pal around like siblings for one movie than 12 movies where we're stuck in trite, sterile relationships where people act but they don't really act like people.
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>>154968528this shit was kino certified. and spidey redeeming his villains through empathy is what spidey should always be. its a double whammy in my book
>>154968528Honestly its probably because they didn't try to make it a romance. They just wanted some sort of interaction between them that made logical sense. Unlike the other girls where the mc just HAS to fall for them.
>>154968251Far from home wasn’t that bad, it worked with Peter adapting to life post blip well enough. Taking him out of NYC was kinda stupid but at that point you had 7 straight movies of Peter in NYC so the change of pace made sense there. The real problem was fucking with mysterio to make him ANOTHER dude pissed at Tony rather than a movie sfx artist looking for his own clout after helping so many be more than they are. It’s better constructed than No way home but it just didn’t have the other peters and Defoe carrying to whole movie on his back with proving the mask wasn’t needed for his goblin transformation
>>154968528>it's still probably the best relationship the MCU has done in years...what other relationships were there again? I can only think of Nebula and Star Lord—who are cute and should end up together—but who else?
>>154968969Star Lord and his korean alien big sis
>>154968969A bunch of dead ones because someone diedBlack Widow and HulkStar Lord and GamoraTony and Pepper
>>154956100>>Vague potential romance or sibling bond tailored to whichever is testing better with the audience"or"
>>154956112>>154956120Goddamnit Peter
>>154968986Ew, no. She's too autistic.>>154968994Well that anon was talking about these last few years, and all of those pairings died before 2020's.Also, didn't Thor's love interest come back in his newest movie? Did they hit it off again I never watched it so I wouldn't know.
>>154969057>no mantis is too autisticautistic girls are the best tho>didn't Thor's love interest come back in his newest movieyeah and she died lol
>>154956112Spider·Man?
>>154968096I mean… Spider Man 3 and Amazing Spider Man 2 are S tier if viewed as comedies
>>154956129Imagine
>>154957201what is it with her and potatos
>>154956043>Peter, you're gay>MJ blows her brains out from a rooftop
>>154969074>yeah and she died lolHoly shit. Thor can't ever catch a break.
>>154964852Did I stutter
So is Bruce ever going to actually understand The Hulk? It was really fucking annoying that he of all characters is the one telling Peter that he might be trying to supress something that needs to be expressed. I feel really bad for Big Green, of course he's gonna act like a monster.
I have yet to see proper penetration in Jean x Peter r34 and that bothers me
>>154961032depends on the writter
>>154956112Because they're retards. Post modernism has had a knock-on effect where the idea of things being objectively correct doesn't matter, so you have kids receiving garbage educations and don't have the drive to get things right on their own.
>>154956146DO NOT IMAGINE HER BUTT IMPALED ON HIS MEMBER AS HE WALKS AROUND THE BEDROOM
>>154968969I was being courtious. I haven't seen a MCU movie since Doc Strange 2 because despite not caring about Strange I like Raimi and wanted to see how much of his signature style would survive. But I watched this because I like Spider-Man, I was curious to see Frank and Hulk and because Jean Grey as a villain was a retarded idea. I compared it to the Flash having Zod be the villain of that movie. But fuck me I wasn't expecting the movie to turn me into a Reylo tier faggot. I heard that the writer of the heavy scenes isn't even credited, he's just some director guy Zendaya knows. And the director of this movie is the one who wanted Jean in the first place because he wanted to make it about people finding connection and all that.
>>154956790>like they wanted to use KarmaNo one wants to use KarmaClaremont himself got bored enough with her to turn her into a fatty
>>154969205>he's just some director guy Zendaya knowsOK Zendaya, I forgive you your poor acting solely for this.
>Started watching Amazing Spider-Man Edits with Andrew and Emma>Realize I still love Amazing's Gwen the most>Listen to Gone, Gone, Gone>"Baby, I'm not moving on">"I love you long after you're gone.">Start cryingPAIN.It's been 12 years. When does it stop hurting?
>>154969256Never. They were amazing. Amazing rushing to do the Death of Gwen was the dumbest shit they could have done because they could have sold a whole ass third movie on Andrew and Emma being cute with each other, and it'd have worked.
>>154969178People are really into this ship for the romance. Not the sex. They want to see them kissing and bonding, not dominating
>>154969232
>>154960990Thousand eggs of Arby's
>>154969343Wow, more reasons to hate Hollywood!
>Jean is just a discount Lucy nowDon't know how to feel about this
>>154969317>Could have introduced love triangle with Mary Jane Waston in Amazing 2. Could have it so MJ was an old friend of Gwen's>Peter ultimately chooses Gwen>Then Amazing 3 would have Gwen dying as well as MJ revealing she knows Peter is Spider-Man
>>154969404All I remember from Elfen Lied was that the diaper girl in the manga. Of all the things, that stuck with me.
>>154962468Looking forward to Spider-Man's hand full of a puddle of webfluid
>>154969404Can't wait for the Yandere Dark Phoenix!
>>154969422She was also protags cousin and he had children with her. It was a weird Manga.
>>154968961it made a mockery out of the blip right out of the gate which completely nullified any chance of me taking any Peter arc from it seriously. Horrible horrible.
>>154963700https://youtu.be/kuNixp-wvWM
>>154966917>Growing up in the 90s and early 00s NOBODY gave a shit about this guy. We all thought he was lame like Captain America and Superman. Everyone growing up liked Spidey, Hulk and Wolverine.To be completely fair regarding Wolverine, he was never someone who was always tied to the X-Men and has been on a bunch of teams such as the Avengers. You could remove any connection he has with the X-Men, and he'd still be popular as opposed to Cyclops, which centers around him being the leader of the X-Men and an important mutant, which isn't enough for kids of the 90s and 2000s.
>>154969585Why did X-men fall off so hard?
>>154969057what about vision and wanda? that was pop and recent no?
>>154966983>I had the hulk hands, spider-man webshooter glovesLucky fuck
>>154969604>Why did X-men fall off so hard?Deadpool & Wolverine made a billion.
>>154969094>pretending spider man 3 badthis is like prequel hater behavior
>>154968064100%
>>154969178It bothers me also, anon. Honestly the fact that there isn't porn of the main pairing within a week of a new Marvel film coming out and instead people are focused on Marvel Rivals shows how bad the films have slipped in standing.>>154969328>People are really into this ship for the romance. Not the sex.That's ghey.
>>154969169I forgot what even his story was. Like he acts sentient in infinity war then, we just skip to smart hulk in endgame.
>>154969607Honestly, I forgot about Wanda having a show, and their romance wasn't that interesting.
>>154968064Homecoming = movie for usFar from homes = movie for the creators/vfx artist No way home = KINOBRAND NEW DAY = PERFECTION
>>154968064I only liked Homecoming out of all of these.
>>154969626they're weapon x guys
Brand New Day is only perfect if Peter and Jean fuck. Then its absolute peak
>>154956043This shit is Reylo all over again jfc
>>154969717Brand New Day is only perfect if Peter and Jean embrace, years of pain eroding in each other's arms as they tell each other that things turn out okay in the end.
>>154969759Who?
>>154969759Please don’t meme a Force Bond into the MCU
>>154969652Basically, the Hulk bitches out after getting beat by Thanos, and during the hiatus between IW and Endgame, Banner manages to subdue the Hulk persona while keeping (most) of the strength. He's still Smart Hulk by the end of She-Hulk, so him deciding to revert to full Banner in BND doesn't make sense, since he loved being Smart Hulk. The Hulk persona never actually gets addressed, which is why he rampages in Damage Control HQ.
>>154969821I don't need to meme it, Daniel Deston Cretton already made it canon
The Japanese doujins for this pairing are going to be insane
>>154967351Dude was practically cyberstalking them too, was pretty pathetic.Like even the title, Brand New Day, should have meant its a new start for Peter, for him to make new friends and moving on but instead he just gains his old friends back.
>>154969687I can tell, pedophile. Of course you like the movie where the main 14 year old cast are played by 17 year olds
feiege, you already did the courtesy of confirming they're the same age, just write off michelle jones feige PLEASE FOCUS ON JEAN
>>154969958I doubt it but we'll get nice fan art. Most of the art seems to be from Japan and Korea. Which makes sense, it's an anime rivalry mixed with "I can fix her"
Going BEYOND I love you
>>154970018most ive seen come from portguese accounts lmao, they love the ship too
>>154969759Reylo is canon though, fuck off
>>154970018Japan makes lengthy fan comics about any mildly popular pairing
>>154970090No, spider-man is just that big. We got official stuff before
>>154970163We might get big official art from big name artists to celebrate it but don't hold your breath for them to tease any pairing except for Peter and Michelle.
There is going to be more fanart of Peter and Jean than with Scott and Jean unless they make Scott insanely compelling
>>154970548it depends on what the next xmen movie is going to beif its just standard x-men team movie they just wont have enough time to have a compelling romancethey'll have to do a solo cyclops or jean film but i dunno how likely that is
I have never seen a ship consistently hit bump limit. Peter and Jean have had at least two threads running simultaneously each day and almost all of them hit bump limit. People really love them
>>154969404Well, now I need a version of this with Jean and Peter.
>>154956129>>154956100>>154956043>>154959133How old is Jean in the movie?
>>154970876Same age as Peter, possibly younger. Feiges word
Before I go. I just want to say that I love Jean.
>>154971005We already know, Peter.
>>154961910>They’d basically do what Reed does with Franklin but to a much more extreme degree; making sure they know nothing of their inherited status as much as possible.Sounds out of character for Peter. Great power, great responsibility, great need to teach the kid about his family's strengths/illnesses. Like knowing a family medical history predisposes a kid to diabetes or cancer or baldness, except it's phenomenal cosmic powers with itty bitty compassion for mere mortals.
>>154957862How come Zendaya can have the most sexually charged make out sessions with other dudes in stuff but Tom cant act in a relationship with another girl once?
