Lilith is the main antagonist of the series and Alastor is her pawn.
Roo will be the main antagonist. Viv can't have Woke Kween Feminist Lilith be shown in a bad light. If she does bad things, they are for *good* reasons!
>>155161919I mean there's always the possibility she fumbles hard with Lilith so despite her attempts at painting her as gray she just comes off as awful.
>>155161632>those hipsGAWDAAAAAAAMN
>>155162332Wow just noticed she barely has a waist.
>>155162242yeah unless she's deliberately going for a 'all men are created evil and all women are created good' theme (yikes), she and adam need to be narrative parallels, which means she's got to be as capable of harm as he was and held accountable for it, while at some point adam has to have had the potential for good the show claims even if he rejected it.anything else is hack shit.
>>155161632No, Alastor is not her pawn. Especially not from Heaven.I hate how overrated this character is despite not doing anything. There are people who act like she could solo Heaven if she wanted to. Why? Because she is a feminist icon? She's not even as strong as Adam because he is an Angel and she is not. There is literally nothing she could do to anyone in Heaven. She also has no place what-so-ever in Heavens grand order, her title of Queen of Hell was self appointed or given to her by Lucifer, and she has zero authority and pull in heaven.
>>155162545It's kinda funny that people need to give her random power boosts like in dbz to justify her being important instead of going for the more obvious route of making her intelligent and actually good at strategist/politician. She doesn't need to be some overpowered lady throwing magical nukes. She can just be the brains behind Hell (we know for sure Lucifer ain't using his for nothing and the same can be said for Charlie).
>>155161632>Alastor is her pawn.you mean her pet
>>155162606S2 kinda debunked this.
>>155162608sure did
>>155162613Rosie is Rosie
Lillith is going to turn out to be protecting people and Alastor is going to go big bad at the end of the next season.
>>155162709How? Is she Lute's strongest opponent?
>>155162606Just write this down, Lilith will be that chatacter that makes the most evil shit you can imagine, harms everyone's life, but in the end when she stoped she cries about some bullshit "i was sad" and everyone let her go with the DID NOTHING WRONG card.
>>155163440I'm more expecting her to reveal the reasons for what she did and what her plan was for only for it to be so incredibly stupid that people start questioning if Sera skipped the giving the Eden humans more than one brain cell. Like the conclusion will be that Eden mess was a byproduct of everybody being a retard.
>>155163440>>155163562so long as it's only lilith and maybe charlie who think that way while the narrative is clearly slapping them both on the head with a pointed stick it could still work.
>>155164594-squeezes him like a stress ball-
>>155164744
>>155164594
Show me angels, I'd like to make an OC but I need to lock in on Hellaverse's angel design sensibilities
>>155165558Google is free
>>155165611Google can suck a fart out of my ass
>>155165558Are you making a Winner or a heavenborn? Winners can look like almost anything you want. Your furry sparkledog can be a Winner if you give it feathered wings and a halo. You could also make a sexy humanoid and it'll fit just fine. Heavenborn have a distinct otherworldly weird look to them except for Cherubs which look kind of like Petpets from Neopets
>>155165704Leaning more toward Heavenborn, Winners seem lame to me
>>155162665rosie is lilith
>>155165558>>155165717He's probably a Winner not a Heavenborn but my favourite background guy is this big kitty guy. He's cute!
>>155165784And here he is helping Lute carry the gate later on, what a gentleman, oh how I love him
>>155165784>>155165793ALL DOGS GO TO HEAVEN!!NOT CATS!! AAAAGGHH!!I'M GOING INSANE!!
>>155165558
>>155165892Fuckin Nick Wilde on the right there
I've noticed Winners tend to either be VERY furry or VERY humanoid without much middle ground. If you're a cat angel you're not a Emberlynn cat girl, you are a full-on Furaffinity anthro cat person with a muzzle.
>>155165872Big kitty guy never did a thing wrong in his life :(
>>155161632Fun fact. The only "Lilith" mentioned in scripture refers to an unknown creature, quite possibly an owl in a tree. Might have some overlap with the same owl in the story of Gilgamesh.
>>155165784>>155165793Lute gets to fuck THIS????
>>155165929Look at the bottom left then a little up. It's a kemonomimi cat girl.>>155165892
>>155162332Low quality.
Oh not this motherfucker again.
Do you think we're going to see Jack the Ripper and Alastor's murderer again?
>>155166055I mean it's kinda the Lilith issue where her design is kinda inconsistent.
>>155166037It translates to night creature or something like that? I know there were some similar named desert harpy Mythological creatures in that specific zone which might have evolved into that.
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>>155166155Why would she settle for this stick figure when her native realm is full of delicious sexy furries?
>>155166155Probably not
>>155166138True, but I find the idea of Lilith, the fake first woman, and the owl from the story of Gilgamesh to be one and the same to be hilarious despite how impossible it is.
>>155166166Birds and Cats dont mix. They don't allow interracial coupling in heaven dip shit. Are are equal but separate to keep the peace. You forget yourself.
>>155166255Adam (winner) fucks all kinds of weird heavenborn
>>155166261Yes, the entitled spoiled elite can do whatever. I'm glad you figured out the obvious.
It just occurred to me the little angels trying to flee the ball pit when the Might of Lilith started going off might be actual child Winners
>>155166275Emily is even more spoiled and even more elite
>>155165729is there any lore that would imply that? sounds like a classic case of melodramatic reveal of a big bad hidden in plan sight. Viv would at least attempt to put some kind of breadcrumbs in universe of Hazbin Hotel and/or Helluva Boss.
>>155166293>Emily is even more spoiled and even more eliteBut she is a good person. One fact does not exclude another. Both can be true. I don't know what mental gymnastics you're trying to play here.
>>155166314It's mostly just based on some dubious leaks which might not even apply for the current show. Realistically we know that Rosie is Rosie and Lilith is just Lilith.
>>155166325Odds are Emily's been knotted by at least one goofy good natured dog angel man in a consensual casual encounter.
>>155166339I'm always having the impression those are often just false leads. Where it would be a gnarly reveal. I just don't think it would be that simple.
>>155166314No. There isn't. People depend on old leaks. Which is kind of interesting because even in those leaks (and if you happen to have spoken to the formal employee who provided those leaks, who by the way left in 202 and was not a writer on the show,) say that they THINK Rosie is Lilith.So my honest theory, just based on everything we've seen and heard. Lute is Eve, that's almost no question, but there's something definitely going on with Evil/Roo and Lilith. And no, Evil/Roo and Eve are not the same character, the former employee confirmed that. That is fanon.If you look at the old art for Roo, she has the same parting as Lilith when she has her bangs in that other style. And they both have white eyes with the red sclera,Then there was commentary from someone who worked on the pilot that said that Charlie was apparently not supposed to be born, and that her existence was something of a mistake? And it had something to do with Evil, which is why she's so good/ pair of heart. Meaning, she wants to do good, redeem sinners yet she has this connection to this... Thing.And then, a long time ago Viv actually was asked directly if Lilith and Lucifer were her real parents and she said she could not answer that.So I'm pretty sure if there's any switch it's with Evil and Lilith
>>155166370I don't think they are false? I think they were just outdated or misunderstood. Because the person who gave those leaks, most likely is another employee who confirmed a lot of this same information, and they were not a writer, they were a concept artist. They also said that Viv would say all this information in Discord calls, meaning not official production work. And Viv herself has said that she has talked about Hazbin to several people, giving away plot points before changing them etc etc. It really honestly, just sounds like this was a spitball idea that Viv ran through everyone.
>>155166343Specifically this guy
>>155166374Well Evil/Roo needs to make her appearance next season just to make her presence far more important to the story on a whole. We are told sparsely how popular Roo is to have a cult in her name. Alastor is obviously a disciple of Roo, but how will it be revealed to us the watcher?>I'm just an eternally online fan with to much time to consume fan theories and ship pairs I enjoy.How is Viv going to justify the reveal?
>>155166412See at that point, that's a different discussion in my opinion because as much as I love some plot points in the show, you can't really deny that this show is on a time crime crunch. Each season is eight episodes. Each episode is... What? 24 to 30 minutes? And then about half of that episode is songs.. What the hell are they able to do in that amount of time?? See, see another thing.. I don't agree with people who say that Roo/Evil hasn't been introduced. She has, very subtly and in Charlie's narration, we even see the design, it's the white and red silhouettes. But people think those are figurative/general representations of the concepts of Good and Evil versus the literal deities that Viv talked about. But again, that's more so on the writing side of things. If the lore and information on your show has to be discovered from social media posts, products, etc, that's not really a good thing. But whatever
>>155166443>I don't agree with people who say that Roo/Evil hasn't been introduced.If Evil/Roo has a stitch theme going for her design we'll know.
>>155166484Yuppp. In the narration too. The eyes? The ones that have been in the background but specifically the scene with Angel and Vox ... That was her. Again, I blame more of that. On the writing side of things, we could have gotten a little bit more nudge nudge? But she's there. She's been there the entire time
They've already confirmed that Lucifer come on while he is the devil on the surface, he's not THE traditional devil figure. It's pretty obvious that it's Roo/Evil, especially when you take into consideration that she was either in or was the physical tree/fruit that was given to Eve. Also, in that same book, Charlie says that Heaven has been fighting Evil long before creation.
>>155166508Roo was dethroned for Lucifer to sit at the helm and maintain control to keep the angry mobs at bay. Classic colonizing royal metaphors!
>>155166533Probably not. Do like the idea of Hell being Roo's domain and that Lucifer and Lilith are just larping as king and queen. Like she could get rid of them anytime but allows them to make fools of themselves.
>>155166614>>155166533Lucifer created hell. It literally says that in the episode. And then Viv has said multiple times in the patreon that he did so.
>>155166261That's against God.
>>155166679Cute. Possibly very funny in retrospect depending on stuff.
>>155166681Jake are you familiar with Lute=Eve?
>>155166669>Lucifer created hell. It literally says that in the episode. And then Viv has said multiple times in the patreon that he did so.Well FUCK ME then...>>155166614more than likely
This isn't a shade honestly but.... If I can just say.... This fandom tends to complain about Viv. Not spoon, feeding them information. But more often than not, the show tells us things quite literally. For example, Good and Evil being characters, and showing their character designs on screen. Lucifer creating Hell (Lucifer and his love were cast down into the dark pitt he created) etcetera. But then people also complain about THAT? So which is it, do people want literal or figurative????
>>155166881Others are... People thinking. Charlie is over 200 years old when Rosie says that she's much too young for Al.... Saying Al is in ace in the hole.. There being some major civil war between Lucifer and Heaven, even though we are told exactly how it is, he fell (nobody else fell with him except Lilith) ... Like?People really need to let go of whatever notions they have of Paradise Lost, the Bible, etc
>>155166679Adam would indulge all of Lute's pregnancy cravings only to eat half of it himself.
>>155166712I am, and it's not a good theory.
>>155166894yeah you'd think the show opening with 'here's heaven, here's these angels, this is lucifer (the outcast), they created eden/adam/lilith etc' instead of 'in the beginning was the word' would be a pretty strong indicator that it's not a 1-1 matchup with the bible but alas.
>>155166980Not even that.... Just the fact that Lilith is there. Lilith is a bible fanfiction character
>>155166959Lol
>>155166959Why?
>>155167021You basically believes what TransLute believes. Sans the Cain/Zestial thing
>>155167048He.Typo
>>155167003What?>>155167021Doesn't make any sense because why would Even get a new name but not Adam? Why doesn't Able recognize her as his mother? And Life's design doesn't even matches Eve's design in the show's opening flashback yet Adam's design does match the flashback.
>>155167048You replied to the wrong person.
>>155167048>>155167060???
>>155167048He might unironically be Bugcuck/TransLute larping as another person.
>>155167069That's what I thought last time because they agree on a lot of points coincidentally, but I was told they are apparently two different people? Seems they're holding the same brain cell. They both get real preachy real fast.
>>155167100Bugcuck/TransLute never bothered using a trip so him using it while saying he's another person is possible. What sells me on the two of them being the same person is that if Jake (presumably some dude who recently got into religion and is super into it) would hear about Lute being Eve he would automatically like it because Adam and Eve are good guys killing demons( his interpretation). Like if it's revealed S3 Lute is Eve all religious show critics will start saying she and Adam were the good guy and are completely justified in killing sinners because they're the parents of humanity.
>>155167100If he looks like Leonardo DiCaprio, perhaps with a more warrior like flare, he's our man.
>>155167189Motherfucker wishes he looked like Leonardo lol
>>155167169Eve is supposed to be motherly, not genocidal.Even though i don't mind the demon killing and would even support it i do not believe that Eve, or even Adam for that matter, should be apart of it.
why do trannies always call themselves lilith or lily
>>155167260I am fine looking like myself as i am made the way God wanted me to look.
When are retards going to stop using the "wHy dOeSn'T AbEl ReCoGnIzE hEr?" And the "WhY dOeSn'T sHe AcT NiCe To HeR sOn" as actual arguments for the Lute being Eve theory. I fucking don't even like the theory, but this is the stupidest counter argument I've heard. Do people not know what abusive or estranged parents are? Hell, do you expect people who give up their children up for adoption at a young age to keep referring to that child as their son, or for that child to call that person their parents? What about really abusive parents? What about parents and kids who have not seen each other since they were children??I swear this fandom gets stupider and stupider.
>>155167272Both trans and the fake first woman Lilith are of the devil.
>>155167271>Eve is supposed to be motherly, not genocidalThere we go! A perfect example of how the fandom has decided what Eve should and should not be like. First mistake, kids.
>>155167294That's very TransLute of him to say, actually. Says similar things about Adam too. How they should or should not be perceived/act
>>155167283Eve would never be abusive, but even so there would be at least one person mentioning Lute to be Able's mother.
>>155167272Lily is sometimes used as a short for Lilith. As for why I'm pretty sure it's because Lilith was later reworked into a feminist figure and they believe "what is more feminine than being named after a feminist figure". In retrospect most don't know about the actual Mythological origin of Lilith or the fucked up shit she usually does in her stories. Trannies are not very smart.
>>155167308There we go, and he keeps doing it! This, children, is what not to do!
>>155167316I would assume Eve would actually be the bigger trans icon, since she came from a man, whereas Lilith was made as she is, a cis woman. Is it the demonic aspect they relate to? That's pretty funny. Self-sabotaging and all that
>>155167294>>155167304Simply saying that the first humans, a.k.a literally everyone's ancestors, should be respected more than such portrayals.
>>155167329Don't impose your disgusting and one-note religious views on me, thank you.
Lilith's soft girlfeet.
>>155167318What? What's wrong with what i'm saying?
Look out now, TransLute- I mean, Jake, is about to get preachy.
>>155167337Being motherly and not genocidal is disgusting to ya? >>155167341
You know, I would assume if he's going to do the whole, pretending to be somebody else thing, that he would pick at least a different type of identity other than the preachy religious type. Seems very one note, doesn't it? At least be more creative. Whatever.
>>155167354I rebuke your insults and lies, i'm against the trans agenda.Ya people are wanting to know my thoughts on the subject. If ya didn't want it then ya people shouldn't have asked and stayed on the Gilgamesh talk.
>>155167325Many ancient cultures had ideas of men and women sharing one body and splitting into two halves. Back then it was a metaphor for heterosexuality. It seems over time people have lost sight of the sensuality and mysticism of heterosexuality (while the gays have kept theirs, and good on them) so now this metaphor has lost its meaning to the modern audience.
>>155167325Thing is Eve is actually a concrete part of biblical mythos and most trannies hate religion. Eve is also most of the time (depends on the sect) blamed for the apple and sin existing so trannies try to avoid being associated with said baggage (reaping the benefits of being a woman without any of the the hardships). Lilith is usually remembered as a demon and most people don't know she's technically a "non canon" addition (it's technically more complicated but it's a long story).
>>155167372I was never "preachy", i'm simply replying to what ya people ask of me.
>>155167341Lute/Eve has the superior feet.
>>155167392>biblical mythos>Implying scripture is mythologyBruh.
>>155167387>>155167392Got it, got it. This is very insightful. Yeah, I was about to say, I do know there are some interpretations where Adam and Eve are one being, and that seems very trans-coded to me. Good to know though!
>>155167341ew>>155167402Respect women, especially the first woman.
>>155167408It kinda is.
>>155167408Yep. It is. Thank you, next.
>>155167425>>155167427There's literally no such thing as mythology, it's all history.
>>155167477HAHAHAHAHAHA
>>155167477I'm gonna touch you Jake
>>155167490What?>>155167495You're not even in the same nation as i am.
>>155167415There is something deeply romantic about confronting and embracing the Other and connecting with it on a spiritual and emotional level but the people most likely to yell about wanting Straight Pride are also the least likely to appreciate how magical all this is, how sad
>>155167525I wanna make love to you. I wanna be inside you Jake.
>>155167543Sexual harassment. Also incredibly gay.
>>155167573Love is love. Open your heart to me.
>>155167672There is no such thing as gay love as they are only capable of lust.
>>155167684Let show you true love then
>>155167699Then show me a real.marriage between a man and a woman, a real man and woman, no trans nonsense.
>>155167742Have you ever been with a woman, Jake?
>>155167402counterpoint adam's feet are so desirable he has to conceal them entirely from mortal AND divine eyes. seriously give me one single frame where adam shows feet. you can't.
>>155167762I'm a proud virgin like the half of 4chan. The other half are angry virgins.
>>155167778Respect men.
>>155167784>he thinks he's among virgins
>>155167778So the feet tier list would be:Adam: S tier Lute/Eve: A tier Lilith: B tier
>>155167784>>155167833This is Hazbin /co/. Here we FUCK.
How come there never is a tradition or text or anything about a human being made from Lilith's rib?? Because she supposedly is a creature equal to Adam in that they are both made from dust... Eve is of Adam, so what or who would be made of Lilith?? That's so cool to think about.
>>155167833Try to prove me wrong.Ya can't.>>155167853Is this a joke on Vivzie's writing?>>155167842Respect people.
>>155167859Huh? You talking about a AU where Adam left with an angel and Lilith stayed in the Garden? The Rib was probably a shortcut for giving the human that stayed in the garden a new partner (probably quicker than making another one from dust).
>>155167859Because Lilith is a fraud and it wouldn't even make any sense within the context of Lilith's story.She's not some dark, evil and unholy counterpart to Adam like what the antichrist is to Jesus, she's your average human who rebeled.
>>155167905Jake you're missing the plot of the question here.
>>155167918I admit that perhaps i am.OK then, i'll ask, what kind of man would come from Lilith's rib and how would that bring her away from sin?Would it even be a rib he'd be made from or some other part of her body?
>>155167874>Try to prove me wrongHow about you prove to me your hymen's still intact?
>>155167948I'm a man.
>>155167905Not interested in your dogshit opinion, Jake.
>>155168001I rebuke your insults and lies.You're the one who asked.
>>155167947>how would that bring her away from sin?That's not the point of the original question I was asking. I don't give a fuck if he keeps her away from sin or not. Just the concept of a person being made from Lilith, just as Eve was made of Adam. >Would it even be a rib he'd be made from or some other part of her body?Eve is not always made from Adam's rib, regardless.
>>155168008I don't give a flying fuck what you rebuke. I was asking everyone else. Not you.
>>155167947Probably still a rib. I mean for it to happen you just need Adam to have a "leaving with a Angel scenario" while Lilith just remains in the garden. She'd probably get a shorter (compared to Adam ) twink as a husband (his looks really depend on what theory you subscribe for Eve since we can assume Lilith's Rib husband would be a similar case).
>>155162545>She's not even as strong as Adam because he is an Angel and she is not.Lucifer can apparently make a bitch out of Adam despite being a fallen Angel who was stripped of any ability to harm sinners and Alastor could make a bitch out of Lucifer because Alastor's a sinnerThe pecking order is what it is
>>155168010I guess maybe what I said here >>155168057 applies.
Very mysterious that Jake the Snake shows up again just when everyone learned to stop responding to the bug
>>155168083A little too mysterious, one might say.
>>155168059Lucifer seem to be a higher tier Angel compared to Adam. While Lucifer can't harm Alastor because of his restriction its debatable if Al can actually hurt Lucifer.
>>155168083I rebuke your insults and lies. I don't even think whatever point you're trying to make makes any sense. >>155168020Well ya made a public question while i was around.
>Thinks he can just say "rebukes" as if that does anything
>>155168010>That's not the point of the original question I was askingThen what is the point?>I don't care if he keeps her away from sin or not. Only the concept of a person being made from Lilith, just as Eve was made of AdamBut why would ya reject Ang further discussion on the subject?
>>155168124Ya have no idea what goes on in the spiritual world.Rebuking does a lot.
>>155168164This but replace lieutenant with wife.
Jake=Bug theory
>>155168199I rebuke your insults and lies.
>>155168154I don't give a fuck what you think, you know you piece of shit.
>>155168199Seconded. Jake is TransLute's extremely poor attempt at being a different person.
I guess for Lilith's hypothetical rib man his looks would depend on whichever Eve theory you subscribe to. If twin theory then Heaven gave Lilith a guy identical to Adam except with a slightly different haircut. If Rosie=Eve then Rosie is replaced with some Victorian era gentleman. If Lute=Eve then Lilith got a shorter guy with maybe the exact same eye colour as her with only some elements of resemblance to Adam (Lute does have a minor resemblance to Lilith).
>>155168255His cowboy OC.
>>155168288The "ya" is really giving away how hard he's trying. Reminds me how he misspells "Ray" to "Raye",
>>155168288RAM RANCH
>>155168280I don't know what it is... But I ship it. Rib wife and rib husband. Especially if Adam and Lilith hate each other, then female Adam and male Lilith would love each other. I said what I said.
>>155168318The two wouldn't ever exist in the same universe since the catalyst for their existence is one of the original humans leaving so they're eventually made. Even so I'd feel like the respective rib partners would still gravitate towards their respective rib donor and not bother with eachother.
>>155168318would adam fuck female adam or would that be too gay-adjacent?
>>155168384Oh, you're asking the real questions here. I would say because he's a narcissist, I think he would? As long as she has a puss puss and a juicy set of tits, why not?
>>155168384>would Adam fuck female Adam He fucked Eve and she technically came from him. I don't think he'd have any hang ups about fucking a female version of himself.
>>155168366That's a fair point, that's a fair point.
>>155168392It's not even a narcissism thing. If an opposite sex version of yourself showed up wouldn't you fuck just for the experience of it?
>>155168405I mean, in all fairness... Eve is literally a female version of Adam. So. I would say yes!
>>155168318>>155168384I'm confused. Are you talking about genderswaps or rib spouses?
>>155168423Me? Absolutely not. I'm an ugly ass bitch. I would not want to fuck myself. What, I have to look at myself to get off? Lol No thanks.
Other cartoon characters should be allowed a rib spouse. Spongebob should have a rib spouse.
>>155168428Yes
>>155168440>I'm an ugly ass bitchNGL sounds like a you problem.
>>155168384>>155168392>>155168405>>155168408>>155168423Respect others.
>>155168461I'm even more confused
>>155168239I rebuke your insults and lies. And yet ya still reply to me.
>>155168440Next time you say something self deprecating I'm docking your pay
>>155168455SpongeBob does have a bubble friend.
>>155168255>>155168288>>155168306>>155168308I rebuke your insults and lies.
>>155168501That's fair.
>>155168515
>>155168440Looty is that you?
>>155168539Indeed. Sneaking out of work here and there to respond occasionally. How are you today?
>>155168546Good overall.
>>155168515Do you guys think Sera will get a love interest?
>>155168589Honestly not sure. Maybe Viv adds some random Angel lady so people can't say Sera's just a lesbian for brownie points.
Looty busy hyping herself down and then you see her at Walmart and she's like completely normal looking
>>155168619That's family says, so you may be onto something!
>>155168691****That's what my family saysI really need a new phone y'all.
>>155168691>>155168703This self image thing is likely all in your head but if you vocalise it you reinforce it to yourself. You deserve better, self deprecation is soooo 2010s tumblr and we've all moved on from then!
>>155168730You are objectively correct and I will not refute that. I'm working on it! And oy vey, 2010s tumblr? Way to call out my old ass. Rip Looty I'm definitely not doing it in a "tee hee I'm so quirky" cringe humor kind of way. Just occurred to me that it may have come across that way. Not my intention.
>>155168770We're the same age lol I've been in the same trenches as you. And I'm not fuckin old so you aren't allowed to be either
>>155168804Got it. Not allowed to be old or self loathing. I hear you loud and clear, chief.
>>155168852Atta girl!!!!!!... Just realised I came across as kinda harsh, not my intention at all, sorry about that. I'm tired
>>155168898No, not at all LOL all good
Why is Alastor funny and enjoyable where his design looks like it should hit an uncanny valley of ugly?
>>155168804adam's creature elements are about 70% of why i like him i think. his design is so versatile. give him borger.
>>155169066More importantly... Why did Viv repeat this design? I swear I've spotted like three Alastor's in Zoophobia
>>155169197>I swear I've spotted like three Alastor's in ZoophobiaArtists like reusing older ideas. Looking are Zombie Powder and you can see the influence of older design carrying over into his current success like Bleach.
>>155162489>Ummm, where are her organs!?
>>155168515>>155168532ew
>letting serpents in paradise againWhen will they learn?
>>155170025feel good seeing pieces of shit in heaven seethe and cope
>>155168099Al and any sinner can hold and hurt him with your average angelic steel as Vox's cannon plugs show. Likely not in any way Lucifer can't recover from, though. I believe him when he says he can't be killed (honestly he's probably attempted and that's how he knows).
>>155172915I'm on the Lucifer hate train as much as the next person, but people who claim he's weak or can't hold his own are coping hard. He's an old celestial creature who, maybe not old by Sera or the Elders' standards (he seems to be have been the baby at the time of the storybook) with unfathomable power. Adam, Vox, Alastor can't do shit.
>>155172960Vox literally did shit to him. A lot of it. And it wasn't particularly hard to get him in a bad position.
>>155169344Not really. But on the whole "can Adam defeat Lilith debate" I'm pretty sure Adam can get an easy win by crushing her spine with his gigantic ass.
>>155173142I meant on his own. He needed a machine to do it.
>>155173235>I'm pretty sure Adam can get an easy win by crushing her spine with his gigantic ass.
>>155162332Honestly, she looked better in the pilot
https://files.catbox.moe/84u10q.jpg
>>155173388Mogged
>>155173384Feels like Viv was definitely unsure about her design. It's why there's so many proto Lilith designs( some which definitely got recycled for other characters).
>>155173396Yup
>>155173384This is the one of the illustrations I was mentioning earlier, where she looks like Roo. P sure that's supposed to be Roo.
>Charlie is supposed to have a major character development next season.>Viv barely mentions her in interviews, and as always, she just keeps talking about her husbandos.I've never seen a creator who seems so uninterested in her protagonist
>>155173388thats wrongi hates it
>>155173583Why?
>>155173492She doesn't want to spoil her protagonist's character development. I find that understandable.
I would like it if there was a character in Hazbin Hotel who acted really nice but was actually an evil degenerate all along.
I shan't be up all night chit-chatting like I normally would want to. But I did want to share something I found a little weird: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/som9O25Ku0Q?feature=shareI slowed the audio, played in a different language, ran it through a transcriber: it really does look like Viv is saying "...is not taken as seriously as -I- think she should be." (I thought she said "is not taken as seriously as SHE THINKS she should be.")Kind of weird Viv apparently thinks Lute, of all characters, deserves to be taken seriously when she doesn't talk much about her. The one time she did was on bluesky, arguing with some1 complaining about Gravity. Know what it reminds me of? This interview: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8i4EeZgRT8M?t=41&feature=share>"It's also one that's used so often to pin the blame on women and put women down. And that's something that, growing up, I was like: that's really fucked up."We know Viv thinks Eve got the short end of the stick and even liked a post on bluesky agreeing that Eve should 'kill people with hammers'. So... what do we think? Freudian slip, or is Looty is a schizo again?
>>155173677it just is okay!
>>155173388Why is Lilith's ear attached to her neck. Denzel Crocker looking ahh
>>155174036Probably wonky Jap art
>>155174021Explain
>>155174079Nta but GuitarQueen sucks. The Bible is already a big established fanfiction, or story, and the Lilith figure is a badly written knockoff insert that parodies Eve and makes Adam kind of a cheater. She sucks. The ship sucks. Everything sucks. Adam and Eve all the way baby
>>155174106Bruh what? You're kinda taking this a bit too seriously.
>>155174134Just contributing some reasons. Didn't mean for it to come across super bad.
>>155174106i kinda like guitarqueen but only when it's that one specific fanart where they're exhaustedly clinging to each other but not looking at each other, like 'you're the only person who genuinely understands me and i hate that'.the upgraded premium but rarely seen version of enemies-to-lovers is enemies-AS-lovers and that's guitarqueen.
>>155174168This art?
>>155174177that's the one. gorgeous.
>>155174139It's ok. Do agree it has the Flowertunes issue where we don't actually know what their dynamic was. Also if Lute=Eve is real then a lot of GuitarQueen stuff becomes a lot more confusing because it doesn't account for Lute being Eve and her basically staying.
>>155174195I don't think I agree with that? How do you mean it doesn't account for it? In what sense? I thought it was clear that Lilith just didn't like Adam from the get-go. People who say that they stay together for x amount of years, I think, are going by Lilith's general mythology, where her and Adam did live in Eden for an unknown lengthy amount of time. They were having sex, but the issue was that neither wanted to bottom. In this show, it looks like from the jump, she did not like Adam whatsoever, which I find kind of refreshing. Girl knew what she wanted and it wasn't that lol
>>155174208Are you the guy saying if Lute turns out not to be Eve you're dropping the show?
>>155173953Ya mean Charlie?
>>155174533You can call Charlie a complete retard but saying she's actually evil is a big stretch.
>>155166990Maybe the modern popular culture one but the earliest mention of her is in the Dead Sea Scrolls that predates the settling of biblical canon.
>>155174409Nope!
>>155174581Yeah but I'm pretty sure not as Adam's first wife or wife in general. She's just some monster(literally called just night creature). It's why she's technically more complicated than the modern culture Lilith/Hazbin Lilith.
>>155174633Okay. I'm talking about the figure that's married to Adam specifically. Yes I know the term comes out in the Bible, which is referring to either an owl or a demon. That's not what I'm talking about.
>>155174549She forces her will onto others, is a source of torment for her friends, caused and/or allow the villains to get as far as they did and is lesbians with a fallen angel.If she's not evil then she's incompetent to the point of being a danger to society.
>>155174630Fuck. I thought my autism was strong enough to recognise the regulars here just from their typing. Guess I can only tell when Looty shows up or when TransLute is having an episode.
>>155168059Lucifer is a true Angel. Adam was turned into one. Angels are inherently mightier than Sinners and Demons and can't be harmed or killed by anything that isn't from Heaven.All of Alastor's attacks did zero damage to Adam. All he could hope to do was knock him about.Lucifer is infinitely stronger than Alastor, despite the fact Lucifer isn't allowed to kill him. We also don't know if Lucifer isn't able to defend himself if attacked by a Sinner. Nobody has tried attacking him yet. Vox was only able to trap him in his machine because of Angelic Steel, though apparently Hell has tools that can damage, destroy, smelt, etc... angelic steel? Obvious oversight on writers part.
>>155165892Why does everyone turn into a fucking furry though?
>>155174643It's Looty lmao (I should be in bed but shhhh)
>>155174640> I'm talking about the figure that's married to Adam specifically.Technically that's just Eve. Lilith as Adam's wife was a later byproduct. It's interesting because that story is said to by written by a guy impersonating another dude who was actually dead at the time.
>>155174665Viv and her team like furries I guess.
My new favorite phrase is "And here's where Sir Pentious cried when you watched him get raped."
>>155174667Oh. Didn't know you disliked GQ.
>>155174682Wha?
>>155174682The fact they didn't stop what appeared to be a rape in front of the angelic court should've resulted in the them not taking Charlie seriously and kicking her out. This whole scene is a huge plothole.
>>155174694It is a dig at how mockingly they missed Sir Pentious after he died and how they previously watched him get dragged for rape and didn't help him.
>>155174724the fact that no one even bothered to help him is hilarious in a sad way. He was trying to reach other for Cherri and others until that door was closed.
>>155174791This implies the Hotel doesn't care for Sir Pentious.
>>155174791looks like that is Sir Pentious' Hellthe eternal guilt of seeing the pretty night walker and not helping her form being slaughtered by Jack the Rippercowardly become a victim of violence
>>155174827Actually his sin is complacency, knowing who Jack the Ripper is, being able to prevent more murders, but allowing them to happen anyway.Actually a concept accurate to scripture. God does not like complacency and at a certain point being complacent makes the person as deserving of the same judgement as the one doing the crime.Although i doubt Vivzie knew this and this biblical accuracy is nothing more than a coincidence.
>>155173492There's a lot more risk of spoiling there. She also says big fat nothing about Lilith when we all know she'll bring huge reveals with her.
>>155168059>Breaks Al's staff
>>155174674I'm talking about Lilith
>>155174690You didn't? I wouldn't say dislike it, I'm just not a die hard for it. I would like it if she got over him though.
>>155175726Ok? Doesn't really affect the explanation.
>>155175737>I would like it if she got over him though.I'm sorry what? I'm kinda confused by what you're trying to say here. Can you reformulate it to be more digestible for a idiot like myself.
>>155175738The hell are you talking about dude. The discussion started because of my initial comment, about how people are expecting a 1x1 interpretation of the Bible. I said that due to the virtue of the fact that Lilith is there, people need to throw out their expectations out the window regarding the Bible. So yes it does fucking matter that I'm talking about Lilith and not Eve.
>>155175761I just don't really care for it, I don't really know what to tell you lol I just don't really care for the cucking. That's all rofl. And no, you're not the one being an idiot, I'm probably not making much sense. I just woke up.
>>155175762Ok. Wasn't disagreeing with you. Just talking about generic fun facts regarding the origins and history of said mythological characters. Like it's understandable than Viv and her team just do what they want because it's their original work. It's a creative project. You pick what you want or add your own original idea. It's been done since the beginning of literary works.
>>155175779Maybe get a coffee( warm tea also helps if you don't drink caffeine). It's tends to help me freshen up after waking.
>>155175811I didn't say that wasn't the case? I don't disagree with that. What are you even talking about dude. First you started telling me that Lilith is in the Bible, I then clarified that sure, the word is, but I'm talking specifically about the female mythological figure that is reclaimed as a feminist icon. Then you tell me that's technically Eve, and then I tell you that no, I'm talking specifically about the other figure. Then you tell me that has nothing to do with the discussion....Really. What are you talking about. Who are you arguing against? That wasn't the point of what I was saying at any given time
>>155175832Yeah. Yeah I think I'll do that. Tea sounds good On a completely different tangent since I'm already talking about Lilith... Did you guys see Viv's latest like looks like Viv really isn't making Lilith all that good of a mom.
>>155175882I am so here for actual villain Lilith. She probably won't be as bad as like Mother Gothel or something, but this is cutting it quite close I think!
>>155175863I think you're kinda fusing what you initially talked to one guy with what I later talked to you. I didn't say Lilith was from the bible. Quite the opposite.
>>155175882Probably. I definitely feel she's going for a more gray complicated character. Of course because it's Viv she's gonna fumble a bit and Lilith will end up looking either too evil or like a complete moron. The accidental conclusion will be Adam and Eve good(from Adam glazers) and Eden humans are fucking stupid (from regular intelligent show fans).
>>155176003Probably. Pardon me. I need my coffee
>>155176061I keep saying this but nobody really cares to look into it much... Notice how Lilith hesitates to step toward Eve when she's all sad, and it isn't until Lucifer steps in front of her that she does so? That indicates that she knows something more. She knows what they're doing is fucked up, or she has a feeling.... That was my first indication that Lilith is probably more selfish than we give her credit for.
>>155176108Dude the average Hazbin fan unironically believes Lute is gonna be redeemed by S3 and she'll become a glorified bodyguard for the hotel or will just stay in Hell like some loser for her crimes. They're not smart.
>>155176231Very true, very true
>You're actin' out like you want teacher's attention, Well, I'm the principal of this eternal detention I hope you had your fun, but, son, it's time to ring the bell, haDing-ding Sinnerman, you're gettin' way too big for your screen Now I'm here to drop your punishment, it's gonna be mean Just in case y'all had forgotten who's the motherfuckin' king of Hell 'Cause I'm the serpent, I'm the flame The mortal world is scared to say my name I am so spooky, I'm the shit I am a living aspect of the infinite So, scheme all you want, Mr. TV-Head-Man I'm nearly a god, who are you? Just a dead man
>>155176346interesting that we know lucifer's more of a showtunes singer but switches to using adam's style of music to try and intimidate the sinners. adamapple fans do not interact.
>>155175901Well who she considers her mom probably isn't real Lilith, so...
>>155176392Lucifer emulating one of the biggest bags of dicks he knows when putting on his devil persona sounds about right.
>>155176497It's Roo/Evil
>>155176523I think it's the other way around.
>Viv and her crew make fun of twin theory in HB pointing out how goofy it is>Twin Theorists:"ThAt MuSt MeAn TwIn ThEoRy Is TrUe"
>>155176392>>155176523So Lucifer understands he had zero aura and must copy Adam because he's better than him. Another Lucibum L.
>>155176537Bro, deadass.
>>155176537Hilarious that it wasn't even just a switch theory they were making fun of. They were making fun of, specifically, a convoluted twin theory.
>>155176497Though honestly I'm not sure even real Lilith was a super peaceful person who wanted Sinners to redeem themselves. At the end of the day, she oversaw this system of literal slave owners. I'm not even sure where Charlie got her ideas from.
>>155176610Viv liked another post a while ago that said Charlie misunderstood Lilith's goals. I don't really know how, but that's probably it.
>>155176610I mean Lilith could have had " make of yourself what you want and if you want something you should do it" philosophy. Charlie might have misinterpreted her as an advocate for redemption and self improvement while Lilith's actual philosophy was just do what you want and be who you want to be regardless of who you're screwing over or stepping on ( possibly Eve being the first victim to suffer from that mentality).
>>155176678I think Lilith is freedom and free will above all else, for herself and others. If the theory that Eve was basically created lobotomized until she was given the apple is true, that tracks. I don't think she appreciated Sinners or herself being stuck in Hell and wanted them to have all possible freedom and saw the value in that even when their choices were shitty (unlike Lucifer).
>>155176739>I think Lilith is freedom and free will above all else, for herself and others.Judging from the fact that she chose to stay in heaven I disagree. I think she's just an advocate for do as though will regardless of other. She doesn't care if you're stepping on others (overlords having soul slaves). Her chilling in Heaven tells us she probably had no issues selling the sinners who believed in her cause as targets for exorcist cullings.
He will suffer next season, but at least Jeremy Jordan confirmed he sings a lot this time.
>>155176829Didn't he also say he's going to cry a lot
>>155176837Yup. Lucifer humiliation ritual incoming.
So, Lilith is one of those things that.... Because so much time has passed between the seasons, and we've all had time to theorize and come up with explanations.. I can't tell if the subversion of her character would be for her to end up being this wonderful well-meaning mother, being that they are setting her up as perhaps a villain, or is the that subversion that.... Because we expect her to be a good mom, due to Charlie's narrative she's going to end up being so much worse? I can't tell anymore
>>155176829>>155176854I be frank.How can they do worse than Season 2? Dude is established to have like two braincells and both of them are fighting for the third place.
>>155176915It can always be worse. He's definitely not reached Viv writing rock bottom yet.
>>155176915Hopefully by actually treating him as a character instead of comic relief. The issue with season 2 Lucifer (and season 2 Charlie for that matter) is that the show couldn't do anything real with him without getting into things they didn't plan to reveal until season 3. Season 2 was glorified filler and it was near useless except for making Vox fans happy. Even Viv admits the story actually gets going in 3.
>>155177016I mean is being a sad sack uwu boy who's depressed because he did a big boo boo any better? His ass is still gonna be nerfed because they can't have him one shoting the season's big bad and resolving all the tension instantly.
I think Lucifer haters miss or completely misunderstand the fact that yes, while he is pathetic and everything else you can imagine, that's the point. He's going to get what's coming to him. Notice that he's not being excused for any of it. And people act like he is. He's not. And frankly, I can't wait to see it
>>155177049Season 3 is said to be more about emotions and revelations than a threat to be nerfed against. Direct threats will probably come back into play in the form of a Roo type down the line, and I don't think it'd be nerfing that Lucifer can't one-shot an embodiment of evil.
Do you think Season 3 will be shit or generic?
>>155177086Lucifer always had consequences for his actions. He's not among the characters coddled for his fuck ups, the female characters like Charlie and Sera and even Carmilla get more of that. Probably because Viv is too afraid to have it any other way. She isn't afraid to fuck up Lucifer all over the place emotionally and physically.
>>155177175i've been saying people have been simplifying his status as vivzie's obvious blorbo. some blorbos are narrative chewtoys, built for being shaken around and torn apart in a dog's vicious jaws! giving him horrible consequences for what he did IS well within the bounds of a blorbo!
>>155177580>>155177175Exactly. Too many people think that he is written in a way that excuses his actions?? It's weird. Just because she's his favorite doesn't mean she's not going to make him suffer or that he's even going to have a happy ending.
>>155177580Lucifer torture porn confirmed?
>>155177630Hopefully
>>155177175As a result, people don't find the female characters as interesting or compelling and potentially get more annoyed at them. Creators keep falling into this trap.
>>155178041And Lute, who's getting fucked over in the narrative, is the most compelling of the bunch.
>>155178067lute's facial expressions throughout her breakdown in court with sir pentious are incredible. there's not been a single other female character allowed to hit her intensity.
>>155177630Absolutely. I'd be shocked if Viv didn't go all out with making his Fall scene brutal for example. We've already gotten hints at it.
>>155178067Nail on the head. I see dedicated Lute fans in more numbers than dedicated Charlie fans and this is no doubt why.
>>155178138>>155178067Not to beat a dead horse but... Like yeah, of course she would be. She's Eve. She's the one that gets fucked over by The narrative the most. How fucking coincidental that we haven't heard a peep about her when she's the one that Lucifer fucked over hard. I'd be pissed too
I like Lu BECAUSE of his flaws.
Dumbest thing I heard is that people hate vivzie for the artstyle "promoting anorexia. I'm sorry that not every character is a fat blob who makes unfunny censored jokes like Steven Universe.
>>155178724The fat guy is best boy though
>>155178833rideable grindable thighs.
just had a galaxy brain thought about guitarprincess and how it gets played as the stereotypically 'daddy issues' ship but in actuality, since lilith and adam should be fairly similar in temperament (made for each other after all, should get along easy if they're basically the same right?), it should really be the 'mommy issues' ship in the incredibly rare and potentially unique circumstance of the male character not being the one with mommy issues.
*punches angel dust really hard in the boob*
>>155178962You just gave me the mental image of Charlie calling Adam mommy only for him to be so confused he just leaves from the sheer awkwardness.
>>155179168>yo lucifer your kid misgendered me the other day that's not cool
>>155178962It's because Adam has boobs
>>155179254Case and point Adam mogging Lilith with his bigger boobs >>155173388
>>155179281>boob mogs>hip mogs
>>155179317his sassy cocky little pose with his ass presented. he is begging to be bred.
>>155179523Does the Eve rib thing count as mpreg?
>>155179844adam giving birth before childbirth was made painful and being genuinely confused at what all these bitches are whining about when he did it and he was fine.
>>155180154I mean it depends on how extracting the rib went. If the Angels gave him magic anesthesia then he was fine. If not and they had to do it live while he was awake then it definitely sucked.
>>155180404I don't get it
>>155178962Adam/Eve is mommy/daddy issues like crazy too. Freud would have had a fucking field day with Eve-Lute's fixation on Adam and being one with him.
>>155180468Word of the artist is she loves unicorns and is freaking out with excitement over it because she's never seen one in person before. It looks like a tantrum because it's Lute
>>155180483Not an expert on Freudian psychology but I do assume the reason humanity is such a mess in the Hellaverse is gonna be explained by the virtue of having Adam and Eve/Lute ( two nutjobs) as primordial parents.
>>155180652Eve thinks the sun shines out of Adam's arse and Adam wants to be worshipped. It's quite the combination.
>>155180908Adam might also glaze Eve. We haven't seen how much he could kiss her ass because he's not in the know that Lute is Eve.
>>155180942She's made from him. They're the first family ever. It all went downhill when they introduced sexual reproduction.
>>155180983Huh?
I still think Adam and Eve(Lute) are not really cut out for society and most of their dysfunction comes from having to adapt to a world with other people in it. Both are extremely self centred, both are said not to care for other people except each other.
Lute is a loyal cutie.
>>155181037I could see them being ok with their direct children. They probably stop giving a shit when said human is a couple generations removed from them.
>>155181252People will unironically look at this version of Eve say she's not the coolest thing ever.
>>155181403'it's really misogynistic and problematic of you to think that eve was anything but adam's abused submissive housewife'
>>155181616For real That's how these people think
>>155181037I agree. They’re far too accustomed to a world where it’s just them and their offspring. We forget they both lived for near a millennia on earth like this.It’s why I imagine their fate will be them reunited and populating Hell with their hellborn offspring. Their second parenthoods.
Ooooh, boys… they’re in for a rough one next year.
CUTENCANONSOON™
>>155183257Adam was erased from existence, tho
>>155184592Alastors ace!!!!!!!!!!!!!!If he ends up with anyone he will be Rosie's bottom bitch
>>155183257Who exactly is this dumbass?
>>155185566Someone with terrible taste?
https://youtu.be/YpjNXkHRTmQ?si=BtAC1UViKsx0SivDI know this is a trans cartoon, but this is some fag ass shit
>>155186657Hazbin Hotel has zero trannies in it
>>155186897Whatever.
>>155186187Probably.
>>155186187True. But the actual question is which ship do they actually like and what ship do they only mildly enjoy because it validates their favourite. Example would be someone liking Charlastor but also shipping Vaggie with Vellvete so she's out of the way.
>>155185398ace is just a sexual preference of intimacy contact anon
>>155184592>>155185398>>155187416True but I'm pretty sure he's not gonna end up with Emily.
>>155187428that's coolEmily is for me anyway
>>155187432Understandable
So... does Charlie take after her mother in tastes in men?
>>155178987>Anon's fist sinks straight into the floof.>And now he can't get it out.
>>155187480She seems to like them on the average height size ( a bit shorter than her but not midget tier). Don't think imps have any chance with her because she's racist towards lower class hellborn. Funny enough her old boyfriend is a fish Onceler rip-off so he kinda looks like her dad.
>>155187528of course, Charlie has daddy issues
*Lute may always come in second in second best* - are you shitting me? lmaooo
>>155189068"But she's first in Adam's heart".They're not being subtle.
>>155189068And people are fucking stupid and interpreting this as Lute beefing with Eve. Just euthanize the fandom at this point.
>>155189730>>155189200>>155189068Interesting that she's apparently the second best in heaven, but the first in Adam's heart. Wouldn't she be the third best? Just the fact that they use second is a really strong indicator here.
>>155189200About what?
>>155190068Stop being retarded. You know exactly what the fuck we're talking about.
>>155189200But believe guys, he's totally going to be paired up with Eve. Lute is definitelyyyyy not Eve.
>>155190172Please explain to me why is the fandom so fucking stupid. Like I don't understand. How?
>>155190225Funny enough, people are celebrating because of the Adam/Lute ship. I'm definitely in the minority because this makes it seem like it's definitely not reciprocated.... But also, yeah. Second best?? Hello??
>>155190161Say it.
>>155190384i ReBuKe YoU
>>155190391I didn't do anything wrong.
>>155190172Does anyone have some doc explaining Lute Eve theory in detail? Because I don't get it and can't think of anything in the show suggesting it.
>>155190470Ok. That's kind of on you. But whatever all you need to know is that Jessica said that Lute is not who we think she is + she soft confirmed the Lute / Eve theory via tweet before deleting it, NDA violation. She's Eve.
>>155190399i ReBuKe YoU
>>155190519>>155190470There is so much more to it than that, but that's a good start actually.
>>155190532I didn't do anything to be rebuked.
>>155190701Rebuking you.
>>155190242>I'm definitely in the minority because this makes it seem like it's definitely not reciprocated I mean it more makes it feel like he's reluctant because he doesn't know she's Eve. Like he's reminded of her but didn't make the connection (probably did figure it out before he died) that she is actually Eve.
>>155190864But why are we assuming that he's the one that wrote this? This is her box, this makes it seem like she's trying to reassure herself. If this was said on his box, then yeah I'd be totally on board. But this just makes it sound like she's trying to convince herself.
>>155189068Larpers shitting themselves and crying about this rn
>>155161632And she raped Adam.
>>155190896Especially when you consider that Lute/Eve has a ton of self hate and insecurities. She'd always feel like she's number 2 (because Lilith exists).
>>155190903Really? What are they saying?
>>155190470Looty is literally working on this right now and she'll drop it when it's ready.
>>155190909Eh no. Like not the show. Some obscure Mythological story isn't really that important for the discussion here.
>>155189730Why the fuck would it be about Eve as a separate person and not his revolving door girlfriend of the week?
>>155190947Saying it's misogyny that her hallucinations are 'horny' and 'attractive' and wailing about how a Lute product references Adam again.
>>155190990Nice. Let the larpers seethe.
>>155190519Any screenshot of the tweet? Explain what I missed in the show that makes this so obvious if it is.
>>155190903?? No, not at all, I recognize this is going to be the end game. It's obvious, I'm just too autistic to understand why this is being celebrated and being twisted around as if though he wrote it. This very much sounds like she's trying to reassure herself? I'm stupid. I need someone to break it down for me,
>>155190931Exactly. I like the boxes description because it fuels my Lute/Eve mania. But nothing really here confirms that Guitarspear is reciprocated. This is very much, if anything I mean, emphasizing that it's very clearly one-sided. I've yet to hear anything from Adam's side.
>>155191020Dude, you are not subtle. Like at all.Take some acting classes or something.
How come it's done all that whenever TransLute takes a vacation, Jake steps in, and then there's always someone that's like " I don't get this theory. Does anyone have a Google doc that explains this????"It's happened like four times now.
>>155190990lute larpers confirmed for shit taste but we knew that already
>>155191053Nah, the larpers are the 'Lute is a repressed lesbian' crowd >>155190990
>>155190736no
>>155191206I rebuke your "no".
>>155191189Ahh. Got it
>>155190960But she did.
>>155189068Second best?Lute is not beating the Eve allegations, is she
>>155191218Naw.
>>155191291I rebuke your "naw"
>>155191231When? In show canon to be specific.
Jake stop being an ass.
>>155191115It's always them waiting for everyone else to explain it, and it's always a Google doc they ask for. They're not subtle.
Jake is to Bug what Lute is to Eve.
>>155191634Holy shit you might be right. It pure poetry.
>>155191500Why does he want the Google document?
>>155191634You unironically explained the theory so effectively.
>>155191650No idea but they always ask for one, And they sit around come out "asking", waiting for someone to break down the theory for them. Then they ask what tweet Jessica supposedly deleted, then they asked for things in the show and disregard literally everything outside of that.
The show could have Lute shlicking to vivid hallucinations of nude Adam and people would still say she's projecting and a secret lesbian
>>155191708they'll be absolutely furious if there's ever an adam/lute sex or even just implied sex scene and it's not rape.
>>155191889They will call it rape anyway. And then the reason she would be flicking the bean to Adam is because he violated her so much that she thinks she needs him that way.
>>155166155This is pedophilia, Emily is older than Alastors haplogroup
>>155190242The question of if he reciprocates is framed as a huge narrative mystery we will return to in future seasons and I just don't think they're revealing the answer on merch in the middle of a content drought. The description is deliberately ambiguous. Jury is still out
Actually I think if the Adam hallucination was more affectionate with Lute I'd be more inclined to think he didn't reciprocate and we're supposed to see her as delusional (about this specific aspect of their relationship anyway). But it's pretty forthcoming with her, nope, no answers for you babe, not from me anyway
How long until an AdamsApple shipper contacts Youtooz and gets them to change the box?
>>155191889It would be even funnier because if there ever was such a scene Lute would be the one to initiate it. Like she'd be one groping Adam's ass.
>>155192082Will he? I know RA pisses him off but does he bother with GuitarSpear? If so how badly will he react when Lute turns out to be Eve.
Who writes the descriptions on Youtooz boxes? I'm assuming Youtooz writes it and Amazon/A24/Spindle/whoever just approves it like the Hot Topic stuff.
>>155192162The person who wrote to Hot Topic hates Guitarspear yeah. I remember their melty about Guitarspear fans being homophobic and victimizing poor oppressed AdamsApple fans. When I saw who it was who sent the Hot Topic emails it was like oh yeah that totally checks out.
>>155191088So no proof. Got it.
>>155192261Yes yes, go about your day TransLute
>>155191634Ya mean nothing more than a theory that doesn't make any sense?>>155191317Bruh. I'm being polite.>>155191303Nay.
>>155192412You are not polite. You are rebuked.
>>155192412I rebuke you.
Did TransLute adopt the identity of Jake because he was ashamed of his old one and the stigma it carried? What a striking parallel to Eve who adopted the identity of Lute because of the shame and guilt she bore from consuming the apple. Bravo Viv I kneel.
>>155192412Rebuke
Listen Jake if you wanna act like a Schizophrenic and stir shit do that in the Trash thread.
>>155192470I bow to your wisdom
Kind of incredible that Viv never had a Gooseworx tier public breakdown despite all the constant shit she gets. She may just be built different
>>155192686Viv kinda knows she's cringe and owns it. Gooseworx lacks that tact.
>>155192841All of Goose had to do was keep her mouth shut? She was doing so so well at first, but then she started getting Viv's levels of retard, but she couldn't hang.
>>155192869Goose is a man.
>>155192433>>155192451>>155192560Nu-uh.>>155192470I adopted the identity of Jake because it's my name.Trust me, whatever stigma my actual old identity had would be much worse than what translute had.
>>155192869>>155192921Regardless of that. People were used to Viv going retard mode. Gooseworx not only started suddenly going retard mode with an audience that wasn't desensitized to it but also decided to do it near the end of the show when controversy and discontent would be at it's peak.
>>155192587I didn't even start this.All i wanted to do was share fun facts about the scripture that inspired the show and make a few Gilgamesh jokes.But the /trash/ thread do owes me apologies, at least four, so i will be there when their time comes, you can trust me on that one.
>>155193009>fun facts about the scripture that inspired the showShut the fuck up, nobody wants you religious schizo.
>>155193009Nobody's going to give you apologies. Go be a schizo somewhere else.
>>155193007I heard of the Goose breakdowns but never seen them myself or know the full context behind them or the public reactions to them.I have my own theories about it but i'll save them until after i check out the latest breakdown for myself, and that will be right after posting this, so brb.
Fuck I was going to go to bed but now I'm just desperate to see what Jake thinks about gooseworx.
>>155193063Oh, he deleted it.>>155193029I rebuke your insults and lies.Why wouldn't fans of the show want to learn more about what inspired it?>>155193047I rebuke your insults and lies.I already got one apology.
>>155193151Rebuked
>>155193150Suck his dick harder while you're at it.
ngl the clinging to the idea that adam's love for lute is definitely conditional because he's a dick is making me kinda sad. like damn i wonder why adam, of all people, might be cautious about openly showing vulnerability and honest affection towards a woman?
>>155193209Shh. Jake is talking about Gooseworx. Show discussion can wait.
>>155193209Elaborate.
>>155193150Basically i knew Goose was doomed the moment i found out his reaction to pornography was pretty much "What are ya gonna do about it?". I have seen it before how creators embracing the weird parts of the internet only bring in more bad people into their fandoms and as a result they end up hating their fandoms, or at the very least have negative relations with them.It happened with Steven Universe, it happened with Voltron, FNAF, pony show, etc, and it happened with Digital Circus.But the one thing about Goose is that their nonschelaunt attitude towards it let me know that he was not prepared and he really didn't know how bad things could get, he jumped into a shark pool expecting nothing more than crabs and got more than what he could handle.I assume those content farms caused a shift in how he views the internet but by that point he was publicly complacent with a lot and by that point it was too late.He should have kept his mouth shut, especially after seeing how big the show has gotten.I will also say that Glitch should have stepped in as well, both to protect their creators from the internet and themselves.There's also a spiritual side to all of this but do ya wanna hear it?I hope I articulated myself good enough.
>>155193182No need to be so impolite.>>155193253Well if ya want i can bring this into a Gooseworx thread to be discussed there.Someone is going to have to make one first though.
>>155193167No.
>>155193344I rebuke your "no".
>>155193308Rebuke>>155193329Rebuke>>155193344Rebuke
Wtf is going on?
There's something very amusing about Hazbin Hotel threads being populated with angel fans and hardcore Christians.
>>155193459Another day of rambling religious schizos on Hazbin /co/.
>>155193306>lilith, woman made to be with and love him, left him for another guy (regardless of adam being at fault for driving her away or not, that had to hurt)>eve, the second woman made for him and specifically built to be better for him to love has apparently either left him too or disappeared (regardless of eve=lute or not) (would also hurt)so that's 2-2 on relationships that were meant to be ordained by god and true love eternal. two heartbreaks. him repressing the fuck out of any genuine overtures of affection and honest care for lute and preferring casual dates and hook-ups to avoid actualising and then the fear of fucking up that attachment makes perfect sense to me.
>>155193469I mean where else are they supposed to show up. The generic Hazbin fan usually chills on Twitter, Bluesky, Reddit or TikTok.
>>155193588Huh. I understand. His final smile to Lute is interesting though.
>>155193370>>155193380Nope.>>155193469I know right?I guess people naturally reject Vivzie's demon propaganda instinctually.
>>155193598>where else are they supposed to show upThere's the Christian esoteric and semen retention generals on /x/.
>>155193700Which is still 4chan you dumbass.
>>155193719They were talking about this thread.
>>155193700I remember when Bugcuck started a fight with posters from a fucking succubus summoning general on /x/ and dragged them back to /hhg/ and it derailed the thread for a whole day.
>>155193829What the fuck, why.
>...
>>155193912Oh man, honestly I laughed but those threads should be stayed away from.>>155193936Why not?
>>155193209It's sad but what can you expect from larpers.
>>155161632Alastor is already the pawn of that one older woman
Which Biblical figure is Roo? It can't just be a random original character can it?
>>155195113Who's that?
>>155195008...Are you linking our threads on a semen retention general on /x/? For what reason?
>>155195124kanga's son from winnie the pooh.
>>155195249I didn't do such a thing.What makes ya think that?
>>155195307Why else would they be talking about us?
>>155195113Two things: the phrase root of all evil does appear in the Bible. The other thing.. Viv's confirmed that Lucifer is not, while he is the devil in terms of title, he is not the traditional devil figure. It's obvious Roo is the Evil goddess we see in the first episode. Her counterpart is Good. Evil was also in the tree/apple. She is the very essence of evil itself. It's obvious she is occupying the devil role in this show
>>155195331But, they're not.Earlier when i said "They were talking about this hread i meant these guys.>>155193469>>155193598
Imagine how big Adam's balls would be after practising semen retention for a week
>>155195368>the phrase root of all evil does appear in the BibleIt really depends on what version of the Bible you're reading 1 Timothy 6:10 from.
>>155195458Semen retention does not relate to testicle size as it is spiritual.
>>155195465I didn't ask for your input. Go fuck yourself. I'm talking to everyone else except you. You're an annoying piece of shit
>>155195458but that's where the pee is stored anon
Adam milk retention
>>155195481I rebuke your insults and lies.I'm the one who has been going through the Bible and have been learning about it for over a year now so i'm your best bet in figuring out the answer to your question.
>>155195772Nope. Rebuked.
>>155195772Awwww That's so cute. Jake thinks he's an expert after reading the Bible for just a year. I don't know who's the bigger larper, this guy are translute
>>155195812This guy or Translute Tyoo
TransLute is not good at playing pretend
>>155195772>I rebuke your insults and lies.Getting tired of this crappy "catchphrase".https://desuarchive.org/co/search/text/I%20rebuke%20your%20insults%20and%20lies./
>>155195812>>155195800>>155195831I rebuke your insults and lies.I know enough to find out an answer.How much of the Bible do ya know about?>>155195849I wouldn't have to keep rebuking if people on this website were more nice.
>>155195924Nope. Rebuked.
>i rebuke your insults and liesSo is this the new TransLute meme or.
>>155195812The pseudo religious nuts unironically think they are. I'm not sure why they think they know more than an actual religious nut or someone who was raised in their faith. Really weird mentality. Very cosplay-ish
