Truly the best ship
Jealous Jean is the best Jean
>jean projecting into black guy to satisfy Peter's needs
>>155595266She doesn't even need to do that, she can do fucking anything in the mindscape and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.
Few threads ago somebody brought an idea of AI SpiderPhoenix anime opening So I made it, guys>https://youtu.be/9SXL1N1vX70Yeah, I had to change Spider-Man's suit because even a mighty trillionaire submits to Disney's demand for censorship. First demo scene will be posted within 24 hours
ARCHIVE-CHAN WHERE ARE YOU?
>>155595299I've seen AI using properties before, How is it suddenly copyright compared to if it was an actual fan animation?
>>155595299I'm not a big fan of AI but using BN as the theme song is a perfect decision and harkening back to the anime rival roots is also a great idea. Bravo
The digital release is likely not coming out until the theatrical run is over in November. BND is too successful and now it's going to take forever to actually watch it in HD and get additional info
>>155594923>/co/ were desperate for felicia to do some compensation after mj got paul'd>/co/ is now desperate for jean to do some compensation after they learned felicia was throating daredevil
>>155596209MCU synergy turning comic Jean into a Spider Man love interest would be a lose lose situation for everyone
Rip archive poster
>>155596209comic jean and comic peter have 0 chemistry
>>155596209It would be the most vanilla couple in history if it isn't the mcu versions
>>155596222The mainline series is already fucked. I say make it happen anyways, would be funny.
Reminder that the mangaverse literally just did Symbiote vs Phoenix two weeks ago
>>155595290The hottest pastas were the mind meld ones. That must be the most intimate thing ever.
>>155596305He's still alive...in our hearts.Also I've been archiving these but not nearly as well, I have also archived /tv/ threads.Best Ship Thread Archives.From oldest (top) from the newest (bottom):>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154877621>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154893227>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154898929>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154916242>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154933242>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154946039>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154951260>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154956043>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154970202>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154968194>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154975467>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154993551>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/154979913>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155008534>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155015786>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155023461>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155032098>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155044388>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155052557>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155071664>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155080946>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155098567>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155112534>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155132775>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155152942>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155169203>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155197920>https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/155229197>>>>/tv/222939003>>>155269970>>>155357311>>>155511382
>>155595299I think the reason we never got a Spider-man anime (unless you count Amazing Friends being animated in japan and resembles an old anime as a result) is because most Spider-man cartoons have a japanese dub that is released and easily accessible. Not much point in producing one when Japanese children already watch those https://files.catbox.moe/cv8emu.mp4Sorry it's choppy, this is literally the best footage i could get of the jp dub of Friendly Neighborhood
>>155596426You're alive! Quick, post the archive links in the previous thread, it's at page 10 now!
Is going to be another situation where a handful of autismo NEETS keep the eternal SpiderPhoenix thread up till the mods have to them tell them to fuck off to /tv/?
>>155596209Comic Jean is an entirely different person and frankly in my opinion not as compelling. Any forced relationship for synergy is going to stink of rancid shit. Then again, that's what comics are pretty much nowadays. >>155596568Probably. The threads are slowing down and the world is moving on.
>>155596865Not helping is the fact that the digital release is delayed until potentially the end of the year due to the theatrical release being so successffulWe could have things like the director commentary and cast interviews WITHOUT them arbitrarily dodging any mentions of Jean but we have to wait months for that now
Someone posted a wip fan animation of a married Peter and Jean battling Morlun
>>155596884It still baffling that this movie is this successful. Aside from the excellent Jean shake up, it's nothing real special
>>155597216>It's baffling the spiderman movie that's the crown national treasure of USA is this successfulIt's not baffling at all
>>155597216I feel like this movie might have capped endgame and avatar if they actually advertised that Jean was in it instead of keeping it a secret (that literally everyone guessed)
>>155597248It is weird that the movie is more successful than No Way Home which is a movie practically engineered to be as big of a crowd please as humanly possibleMeanwhile Brand New Day is marketed as if it's just a low stakes spidey adventure
>>155597272Beautiful redhead female who was the standout in Stranger Things which was also very popular> Tobey and Andrew
people forget that tobey and andrew aren't huge megastars, their incarnations of spiderman are bigger than they are. nobody watches tobey maguire's other movies.
>>155595299As promised I am posting the first demo scene, which focuses on Spider-Man. >https://youtu.be/AfD99YRrWugThe next demo scene will focus on Jean, the last one on Smythe. Then the entire pilot episode. Will be done when will be done, I am limited by Grok's limits.>>155595711Dunno. Supposedly, lately Elon gave in to censorship. Maybe Disney got pissed over all the fake Doomsday trailers. It is still not as bad as OpenAI tho. >>155595945TY. For me it is just a tool for us idea men to finally get our vision to come true. An imperfect tool (my blooper reel will be glorious), but far more accessible than any other way of making such animation.It was fun to match the visuals to BN. Truly perfect song for such stuff.
>>155597321I guess this is just one of those things that really spells the end of monoculture. I never gave a shit about Stranger Things. I never even knew it was still a draw outside of people laughing at how fucking awful it ended up being in the end. The only thing I had seen Sink in was The Whale, which she was good in.
>>155597958>>155597321During the sequence where Jean's sister is arrested, there is a 1:1 recreation of the "Running Up that Hill" shot from Stranger Things
>>155597641I'll beat the fuck out of Spider-Man
>>155598192Scott, she's not yours. Time to move on.
scott, jean, and peter fighting to see who's 616 version has been ruined the most
Man I hope to draw as good as some of the fanarts I see of this ship.
>>155597336My dude how can an OSCAR NOMINEE not be a huge megastar?
>>155597336>seabiscuit>pleasantville>pawn sacrifice>great gatsby>fuckin' boss babyanon please
>>155597272I still think if No Way Home didn't come out of a pandemic and could be shown in China, it would have crushed Endgame.
>>155596316>comic jean and comic peter have 0 chemistrywell, not quite zero
>>155599991This is ultimate Peter and Jean and this interaction itself is extremely forced by the writer because she has no reason to say this
>>155600406There was also this. Check out jealous Silver Age Xavier, lol.
>>155600478>CRACH!
Every interaction between Peter and Jean in the comics feels like something possessed their souls and made them pay attention to each other with the sole exception of Red Band
>>155600525Jean is just a nothing character in the comics. She's Sue Richards with much less personality.
>>155600585Jean's characterization in the comics>oh no she's doing something bad with her powers again and needs to be told why its bad (RARE)>nice girl who is nice>schizophrenic living nuclear bomb
>>155600635exactly, just Sue with a higher power level
Jean's characterization in the MCU:
people complain about MCU peter's personality affecting all the incarnations made after him but I would not complain about different versions of Jean just being based on the MCU version
>>155595299I think the ideas here are on the mark but the AI itself didn't nail it. Like the opening starting with Jean looming towards the camera in the middle of a city with rage in her eyes only for Spidey to show up and reach out. That perfectly encapsulates their dynamic and is how an anime would present the OP.For the rest there's some issues. Of course the AI is way too detailed while a real anime would allocate the detail to the points where the viewer is supposed to focus. Some of the shots are awkward looking, and I think a real anime OP would rapidly jump between shots across the theme song rather than keep an entire scene or sequence multiple times over.These aren't critiques aimed at you, I can imagine that creating a 1:1 replica of an anime OP would literally take days if not weeks so what you have here is fine. You're also right to be wary of the suit. Disney is triggerhappy with crease and desists even for fan projects.
Is this going to be the first SpiderPhoenix thread to fall off the board before hitting bump limit?
>>155602750We are almost two months after the film came out and two months before the digital release. If there's any time for it to die of old age, now is probably it. There will still be fan content but the surge is over. The fanart in art hosting sites is slowly reverting back to comic and cartoon versions of Jean.We never, ever get Jeans perspective on Peter after the "You have me" moment. So until that happens their dynamic is practically in stasis. In fact it might never even come up again. Reminder that the MCU loves dropping plot lines after setting them up.
>>155600861Soft boy Peter starting with Maguire.
>>155602976This is true but no one wants to admit it
>>155602750This is a hard pill for this board to swallow, but Jean having a vague age means that theres tons of artists who will never touch this pairing. It would get a lot more content if we knew her exact numbered age.
What are the best fics? Currently reading "The Curious Case of Jean Grey's Spider-Man Obsession". I've also seen many recommend "Come In, Parker". But I've barely made any progress on my reading because I spend all my time lurking on /SpiderPhoenix/ and r/SpiderPhoenix lol. So I'd appreciate it if someone recommended a "be all, end all" fic so I don't have to allocate much time for fics.
>>155603892best ongoing fic is 33ft, best finished one is One More Day
>>155602750Two months for the most unintentionally brilliant thing found in a capeshit movie is not bad. Expect more when it gets released to digital/physical
Writing more Jean x Peter fanfic today! What is your favorite spiderphoenix pic?
>>155604772Split Second
>>155604875sorry, that was pic, not fic, I misread it
>>155604772The Shape of Our Orbit
>>155604894No probs, I want fics as inspiration
>>155604594it will be reborn with the digital release, like a phoenix
>>155606634Say that again
like the legend of the penis
>just remembered in Persona 5 picking the "you have me" option leads to romance This shit really is anime-coded, kek. Fuck it I'm fully sold now.
>>155606861>You have the othersthis is so funny like why would they do this
>>155606700As of today these guys are dead
>>155606861it was always anime-coded, give Spider-Man a tsundere yandere psycho telepath gf. The world needs this, Feige
>>155606921A shame I wanted chronicle v2.0
Rare 616 Spiderphoenix
>>155607782does this have a pantsless version
We aren't going to see these two interact again until Sadie is 30 Leaks suggest that Peter spends most of Secret Wars with Kamala, not Jean
>>155607951I demand reshoots and rewrites.
https://x.com/AkkuaMagunusu/status/2103323021503009203Just spotted a meme from here in the wild again
Jean being overbearing and weird about it would be just as funny as her being shy about it
>>155607782I need to get around to writing a shitty fic where Peter hulks out into his Man-Spider form and goes to town on Jean.
>>155602750>>155602806I've actually been the person that's been constantly making new spiderphoenix threads for a while now, occasionally, I'll leave for a couple hours and come back to prevent the thread from dipping too far by bumping it once it hits the 8th or 9th page.We're nearly approaching the 40th Spiderphoenix thread but my activity is going to wane a bit once we cross that threshold though so if anyone wants to pick it up, be my guest. I think I'll be satisfied in letting the topic die once it makes to its 50th thread by then. It's a good milestone for a ship that's lasted this long.
>>155608808Sounds like a good plan, I mean the threads are good but the longer a thread stays active, the more quality degrades when there isn't new content coming up.I've been thinking of making a thread at /g/ or somwhere to detail progress on the dating sim I thought of, but still thinking of what's the proper board for that. Not sure /co/ would fit it, what is a good board for game progress?
Would Jean Grey be a goonette girl failure?>>>/aco/9309946
SpiderPhoenix shall live on!I guess the next step is promoting spiderphoenix fics?https://www.tiktok.com/@fluxghost/video/7689442911523523841
>>155596426As far as I'm concerned, this was the previous thread prior to the last one>>155445550>>155445550>>155445550
>>155608808what thread are we on now?
>>155609349this is the 37th, i believe
>>155609171Tried my own>>>/aco/9310011
When your movie is so successful that discussing it online is difficult because Jean is hidden from the marketing and thedigital release won't come out because its so fucking successful that they don't need it yet
Crazy how the EXISTING tracy scopps porn comic where Jean and Peter fuck is about MCU Peter getting abducted from his timeline and made to fuck young Jean (You're gay Bobby)
>>155600478Don't forget that Spidey webbed Cyclops' glasses and Angel's wings.
>>155602976>Soft boy Peter starting with Maguire.And Garfield Peter was a return to form but Raimifags bitched he was too cool and handsome.
>>155607754
>>155610386In all my years I thought this was supposed to be funny
>>155610380BIG FACT. The TASM movies tried to write Peter more like the comics and Raimifags seethed about it
>>155610386>Peter accidentally alpha widows EmmaHe set the bar and no one's gonna be better.
>>155610490The story is actually horribly sad and uncomfortable
>>155610595and that was the end of it, this Emma story was the final issue of the comic
>>155604772
>>155611579cute!
>>155609543Noice shit man although I would've tried holding onto the frame of Peter staring back at her before cutting to black, but that's just my 'tism
>>155608744Would be the other way around desu
>>155608633
>>155613887The roommate headcanon is so great. The irony of Jean insulting Peter's home and then living in itThough realistically is it safe for Jean? Peters apartment has asbestos, which spiders are immune to but mutants probably arent
>>155613936he could take her to his original apartment from the end of No Way Home, though that one was smaller
>>155610634>and that was the end of it, this Emma story was the final issue of the comicFinal issue of that volume. There was a second volume that continued it.
>>155614434damn, I really didn't know, that's cool
>>155615596Insanely cute
>>155610051>Jean sucking his soul away
>>155616527I need a girl who will do that to me
>>155613936I've been trying to post the "damn bitch you live like this" PeterJean image for 20 minutes, but it keeps failing to upload
>>155617008Any way to compress it?
>>155617085
>>155617098Hot! I wouldn't mind dating someone like that
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of-YPzLuYH4you guys see this? a wild recommendation
>>155617522They look amazing, kek. So groovyAlso poor kekclops
>>155618609Good stuff, anon!
>>155618674there's also the sketch version
>>155617522
Need my Jean Grey and Spider-Man action figures. Want to make them kiss and hold hands.
>>155617098Real rich coming from her
It's funny how 90% of the ship art has Peter in costume and I think that's a byproduct of how he was almost always in costume throughout BND It's so funny all these pictures of a fully costume spider man being intimate with Jean who is just a normal girl
>>155619918Honestly much better than back in the 2010’s when people were introduced to the Avengers for the first time and everyone just drew them like the fucking actors in regular clothes instead of some semblance of their actual comic book versions back in the tumblr days
Describe the sex
>>155620793Smelly
>>155618901Somehow I think I enjoy the sketch more than the color one. Love Jean's annoyed face
>>155621577I do like how in the colored version the Jean in the thought bubble is looking directly at Spider-Man with hearts though.
>>155620793awkward but cute
>>155621962>all those bite marksThe sex must be crazy.
>>155622033The caption the artist wrote is "the shirt isn't the only thing he stretched"
peter's big potato
Alright today will be giving the spiderphoenix videogame a serious crack. Hopefully some progress can be shared by the end of the day
No wonder why I felt something's missing on my end since yesterday turns out I don't have a Spider-Phoenix tab open.
>>155622360Right? It became part of one's life. I feel as much a part of the ship as Peter and Jean kek
>>155622448we all sitting in the chair
>>155622360Most movies are on dvd by now so the fans can talk about it but the theatrical run for BND is extended. Endgame was available on home video after less than a monthBrand New Day has been out for two months and is likely not going to be available until after next month
>>155622470Hell if I find it available in the movie theater I will go watch it again
>>155622539Didn't they announce it will continue running till November? I already watched it three times, hoping that when the movie is available on blu ray and shit the SpiderPhoenix ship will boom again, at least until Secret Wars.
>>155622448For me it's like we want to keep it alive until officially acknowledged. That Instagram post is lowkey the first step.
>>155622736Agreed, that's also partially my motivation for the idea of a gameLets show Marvel we want it canon
>>155622470I'm impressed by how much impact it has had so far
Simple Spider is such a funny insult.
>>155623423I think Jean secretly wanted someone like Peter in her life
>>155623657>all jean wanted was someone who could share her pain withdon't we all
>>155623685Yeah particularly someone she can trust since she was constantly chased by the glowies.
>>155623423And you know she was proud of it, too, since she decided to call him that again later.>>155619372Funko, a company that pumps those Pops like if it was raining, will seemingly only release the other BND Funko Pops (Jean, Punisher Van) by Spring 2027.Which likely means everyone else will take even longer to release their stuff.
>>155624413Why is that? is it because of the theaters?
>>155624442No idea, but if I had to guess, it's possible that the tertiary producers were not given enough information about the movie itself beyond some characters that appear in it, with Jean Grey being a secret feature despite all speculation surrounding Sadie's role.You can see that most of the promotional tie-ins treat either the Hulk or Scorpion as the main antagonists, and Funko itself made a Tombstone Funko pop despite his lack of presence overall.Even now, Sony's PR refuses to address the character by her name.https://www.instagram.com/p/DdjsayPBxwd/
Look at him go!
>>155624533I hear Jean was written in very later. Like when Sadie sign on there was no script or lines to audition for. They just offered her the role and a few weeks or maybe it was months after she sign on to play Jean she was flying out to start filming.
>>155624734Will they reset their relationship?
>>155625151I hope not, it feels like its just setting up before it gets deleted
4chan fell before SpiderPhoenix did
Is secret wars actually going to be a reboot
>>155626153But 4chan will rise eternally from the ashes like a Phoenix
I think I miss greentext anon
>>155626906Some asshole kept whining about him but he made some cute stuff
A spiderphoenix edit I made while 4chin was downhttps://www.tiktok.com/@fluxghost/video/7690025038979878165>>155626153>>155626687Exactly, remember YOU ARE HERE FOREVER
>>155627308Based. Great work. You truly love these characters
>>155627308we DO IT FOR HER
>>155627360Thanks, just doing my part! Now back to the game
>>155624850That could've also contributed for the lack of Jean in... Anything really.And this is corroborated by the fact that Jean isn't even mentioned in the concept art book, and the fact that both Destin & Kevin hadn't settled for a villain yet (as they mention in separate interviews).>We wanted an antagonist that would be a real reflection of Peter Parker and where he is in his emotional journey. >We went through a lot of potential villains and I cannot think of a better reflection than where we landed.>I was really interested in having our antagonist be somebody who is younger than Peter. Who really represents, in many ways, what young people are going through right now and what they are feeling.>This is a character who can literally jump into other people's minds, and experience the lives of other people, but she's also a person who is completely alone in this city and nobody really knows the REAL her, and that feeling, to me, felt like a young person's experience.>Initially, we didn't know who that would be. We were talking about creating a fictional character, but then we started brainstorming on who could that be.>So we started talking to Kevin: "Who on the roster can we pull from?" and Jean Grey became top of the list.https://podcasts.apple.com/tr/podcast/spider-man-director-destin-daniel-cretton/id214089682?i=1000782790195
>>155627555I feel they truly are a great match for each other
>>155627555They were adamant about not revealing it anyway. Sadie's entire press tour was her not naming her role.>>155624442Companies get licensed whatever Marvel gives them. Infinity War, Endgame, and No Way Home were somewhat extreme examples of fairly misleading promotional items.
>>155627692Indeed
>>155628237God damn, that should have been in the movie.
>>155607754Normalfags don't know Emma, though. Can't use her to build hype.
>>155607754A lot people forget that Emma is more direct on what she wants and personality wise is far more different of Jean when she was an antagonist.
>>155629589That's why I liked Jean, she's far more mischievous
Post yfw MJ Pryor
>>155620793
>>155631099all up in her tight potato
>>155626906>>155627210It's up to you to pick up where they left off.
>>155627308I recently got into TCOAAL thanks to these SpiderPhoenix edits lel. I don't see much discussion of it here on /co/ though.Can someone post the other SpiderPhoenix x TCOAAL pics? Didn't save them last time.>>155631099Yo that's the pic I cropped kek, file name and all.
>>155594923It's funny to me that they had better chemistry in 1 movie than spider-man ever did with not-MJ in 4 movies.
>>155632348Jean has had horrible romances in most media with the only good one being Scott in Evolution Even in X Men 97 she's prone to cheating
Just watched Brand New Day. Searched /tv/ then /co/ for threads. I have found my people.Maybe this has been asked a million times - how on earth do Holland's Peter and Zendaya's MJ have such an utter lack of on-screen chemistry? They're married IRL and from what I've seen from interviews and promo stuff they seem to have solid chemistry IRL. But somehow their Spiderman chemistry is so lacking that a single scene between Peter and Jean felt more emotional and significant to me than all of the Peter/MJ shit throughout four movies.
>>155632489For some maniacal reason, Far From Home decided to skip the most important part of a love story. The part where they fall in love. So Peter and MJ love each other for no reason at all. It happens off screen when they did not get along in the movie prior. This is a crucial failure and as a result the pairing only appeals to two kinds of people. Zendaya stans and people with a parasocial obsession with Tom Holland.I don't particularly ship spiderphoenix. It doesn't matter to me. Hell he can end up with Liz again for all I care. The problem is that we literally did not see Peter and MJ fall in love. Her characterization is also poorly defined.
>>155632511>For some maniacal reason, Far From Home decided to skip the most important part of a love story.The Home trilogy is a bit of a blur to me. I thought Holland's Spiderman was alright in them but I disliked nearly all the other characters and thought the "iron man junior" stuff didn't work all that well. MJ and Ned could've been OK but they were turbo annoying to me because the writers for the movies made sure to heavily and clumsily insert them and their awkward antics into every facet of the plot. They should've been Peter's friends but never Spiderman's teammates, the latter was shit.>I don't particularly ship spiderphoenix. (...) The problem is that we literally did not see Peter and MJ fall in love.I don't necessarily ship them romantically either. Brand New Day didn't make me want to imagine them making out or anything. But it left me thinking "so this saga actually has the ability to establish an emotionally resonant connection between Peter and a woman of his age, and it only took a few scenes and sentences..." so why the FUCK is Peter's relationship with MJ so forced and soulless then? I can't figure out if it's a writing problem or an acting problem or both, but I found Peter's five minutes with Jean to be more compelling than four entire movies worth of MJ/Peter material.
I have at last come to the conclusion that Brand New Day is a well directed, fun movie but the ending is terrible.>movie about loneliness culminates in the two loneliest characters finding each other and saving each other's lives - only for one of them to abruptly get booted out of the story and sent on a bus ride>the important and tragic story point of Peter's friends forgetting him is retconned by a handshake that just magically works despite previously established rules saying it won't>big part of the movie's appeal is in the freshness and boldness of opening a new chapter of Peter's life - only for the ending to regress back towards the same tired bullshit that made the older movies a slog
>>155631834Awesome! Its a really funny and quirky goth themed novel. I dare say its closer to a visual novel (which inspired me to think SpiderPhoenx needs one) than a game. They're far more active at >>>/vg/582495531>>155632348Marvel sucks at romance, that's the only thing that makes me afraid for the ship. I wonder who made the Peter x Jean romantic hints in this one because it was a really good movie.Also funny that even in the edits they go for redhead MJ over Zendaya kek
>>155631834Here is the first one I ever posted>>155632489There are rumors that she's Tom's beard and clearly wears the pants in the relationship. I still find it unfair that Zendaya gets to be double railed by guys in shows and gets the Calamet cock in dune but Peter only takes black cock. Its unfair
>>155631834Improved version and closer to the clothes in the movie
>>155632688This is the thing I don't like about this pairing. As a Spiderphoenix shipper it has these issues>While the MCU is not strictly beholden to the comics, Peter and MJ are an "iconic" pairing which means that there is always the risk it overrides anything else >Jean Grey has a strong dynamic with this movie, but she is an "iconic" X man which means her destiny is to be with the X-men and likely ScottI don't like that this is how marvel movies work. They have to work around the e xisting legacies of these characters and "build" their futures. If BND was a self contained movie about new characters everyone would be like "why did the writers make Jean leave at the end" WE know the answer is that she needs to be distant from Peter so that she can be one of the X-men instead of one of his supporting characters but we only accept that because its a Marvel movie. See what I mean? There's rules that apply only to Marvel and not normal stories.
>>155632857It's a symptom of capeshit's structure and history, unfortunately. If writers accidentally stumble into something compelling, it'll only be allowed to continue if it aligns with the broader continuity and with everyone's "assigned positions" in the greater universe so they can be ready for the next big crossover event. Peter and Jean doesn't neatly align with any of that so it doesn't matter how compelling it is.
>>155632857I mean you can use this argument for street level Peter.There is no good reason why MCU Peter Parker should be street level. None. The only reason fans like us want it is because of the appeal and it being comic accurate. It literally makes no functional sense for MCU Peter to be broke and struggling. He is too smart and too experienced. He fought Thanos in hand to hand combat and survived without an injury. He built a universal superpower inhibitor in less than a fucking day. There is no reason for him to run around in an easily damaged spandex suit when his previous suits hard armor padding. The whole street level thing is an awesthetic that the movie only has becuase "it's spider man" and it has to completely ignore what actually happened in this setting for that.Same with Peter and the Hulk. That only happens because in the comics, The Hulk remembers. MCU Peter never fucking met the Hulk and there is LITERALLY no time span in the MCU that would allow this to happen before BND. The characters iconography will shove their histories and personality out of the way.
from /tv/>Watching Peter with deadpan negro creatura MJ and then watching Peter with heartbroken desperate Jean is like watching a good car driver forced to drive a rusty barely road-worthy shitbox for 3 laps and then seeing him get a chance to briefly drive a classic Porsche 911.
>>155633214It's funny how the one character who really should have fucked the deadpan negro girl never really considered itHint hint, it was also an enemies to lovers pairing
I still fail to understand the reason for Jean's ugly pants kek
>>155633059>Peter should not be broke and struggling I mean this could be explained by the fact Peter was shutting himself off from everyone and not trying to get better mentally. He's basically depressed and only cared about being Spider-Man, getting by was good enough for him. The BND movie could have examined this better or at least future ones could.Personally also feel like Spider-Man should mainly be street-level, but deal with huge threats on occasion, preferably with a team. Maybe get help from the X-Men with Jean by his side.
I know 4chan hates Reddit but pretty sure a lot of people here joined SpiderPhoenix fansub too. But MarvelStudiosSpoilers just had a post that says Jean will be with Scott and the comments there are trashing on SpiderPhoenix fans. Fuck them.
>>155633526I would argue then he isn't struggling. He's limiting himself. >>155633516She really walks around in autism pants and people dont notice because they base their art on camrips
>>155633623I don't really give a shit what those people say man. I am secure in my opinions and don't require the approval of strangers to maintain those opinions.And I hate to pour a bucket of cold water over you anon but you should temper your expectations about the future. Peter/Jean is compelling but in the grand scheme of things it's probably just an anomaly that won't get much continuation. The directors and writers of capeshit care more about franchise scaffolding and roster building than about interesting character stuff or thematic resonance.
>>155633623Yeah the hate this ship gets is both pretty funny and cringe. Seen people try to get posts taken down because it won't be canon. Which sure, it might not be, but it's still fan content to be enjoyed and adds to the discussion. Like Petra Parker might never be canon either, but the cool fan content should still exist and not be hated for that reason alone.And considering the anti-AI mindset these people also likely have, it's kind of sad to see them shut down such creativity.
>>155633799Oh I am well aware that it's very unlikely for romance. My goal is have Peter and Jean to be the equivalent of Tony and Steve in how they are very important to each other. Romance is a bonus.Plus at this rate if they make it official it will make the haters louder.>>155633835The vast majority of them are, you guessed it, Zendaya stans. Funny enough some suggested Scott can end up with Emma and (not sure if it's the same people) they bitch crying age gap and shit.
>>155633799>>155633835A shame because it seems to provide a great compelling narrative to join the degraded x-men franchise with the powerful Spiderverse one.
if they cofirm that Jean is 19 in BND the entire "problematic" argument dies
>>155633623>MarvelStudiosSpoilersDo those fags have any credibility or valid sources? I don't go to plebbit so I wouldn't know
I think it's interesting how much of the fanart has to speculate on what Jean's opinion of Peter is because we literally don't know
>>155632688>the important and tragic story point of Peter's friends forgetting him is retconned by a handshake that just magically works despite previously established rules saying it won'tWhat I initially expected out of the movie was to see Peter gradually becoming friends with his former circle again, because even though they forgot him he's still Peter and they still naturally get along. It'd also fit the film's themes on solitude, you need to actually put in an effort with people and maybe you can improve your situation. But as you said, they did the magic handshake to revert the problem which is cheap.>big part of the movie's appeal is in the freshness and boldness of opening a new chapter of Peter's life - only for the ending to regress back towards the same tired bullshit that made the older movies a slogYep. I really really hope the director (who seems like he knows what he's doing) doesn't try to make MJ and Ned into Spiderman's teammates again. That sucked in the prior films.
>>155633516a homeless woman wouldn't be too picky on what she can get
>>155634694I would believe it if she didn't have mind control. I believe she lived like thishttps://youtu.be/-oq1z10QtOsWhile the idea of stinky hobo Jean delights me, I still fail to understand why she didn't just mind control some middle range hotel managers (to avoid glowie attention) to live a luxurious life in different cities.
writing a fic, will keep it short, hopefully sweet, and BND canon compliantsee you out there!
>>155634886Please give me inspiration anon! Also recommend me the best spiderphoenix fics you've seen. I'm trying to keep them in character
>>155634909I'm not that Anon, but check out One More Day and Sound of Silence
>>155635013Thanks for the suggestions! Also already checking out My Flat Mate Jean GreyARCHIVES works/89657896/chapters/238162491?view_adult=true
>apparently Brand New Day will release digitally on October 6 >clear HD tiktok edits We might get a second boom really soon.
I honestly don't think Zendaya would give a fuck if Peter Parker was banging Jean. Look at her filmography. She's literally exactly as supermassive as Tom. She also gets railed by different men in her movies. Why would she care?
>>155635840she wears the pants in the relationship. she gets to bang dune timmy and other A-listers, tom has to be the servile cuck who obeys when she tells him he's not allowed to touch other women
>>155632489>>155632511I feel a lot of how MCU Spider-Man was structured contributes to this. Spider-Man is at its best in a long term serialized format which the writers conceptualize but forgot that the MCU is movies that come out every few years. So when they spend 2 movies jamming in Tony and the first movie with Liz, there's a huge chuck of screen time MJ doesn't get. The multiverse pivot for NWH was it for MJ. Second is that their characters don't have meaningful connections. Peter is timid because that's what nerds are in movies, and he needed to be like Tobey. MJ is a collection of quirks that didn't affect Peter as a person. Their most impactful on-screen moments were them separating and MJ telling Peter she doesn't know him rather than moments of them being together.
>>155636120That last one is a serious issue with their chemistry. MJ's personality only pulled strong reactions from Peter in Homecoming, when she literally did not like him and was being a dick. One of the reasons people are attaching to Jean is because she is so off the deep end that everything involving her invites character interactions. They practically write themselves. A god mode street rat who doesn't respect responsibility but does respect Spider-man.
>>155636691Yes! I'd love to watch them doing superheroics
Well getting there, forgive me for the sin of using AI but I suck as an artist. I'm more of a coder.
I really showed up late to the party with this ship huh. Well I don't care. Time to look up fanfics and fanart until the crack of dawn and write mini essays no one will read but me.
>>155637234Totally worth it, its still quite alive!
>>155637234better late than never
>>155637234There's literally tons of fan comics and art of this ship in the previous archive threads
These characters have maybe 2 minutes of screentime together when they're not trying to fight each other. What's the appeal of the ship?
>>155637347the parts where they're trying to fight each other are essential to the appeal
>>155637347Naruto and Sasuke but straight
>>155637347>What's the appeal of the ship?Novelty, actor chemistry, enemies to friends trope.Also a lot of people just don't accept Zendaya as MJ and never will due to a variety of reasons (poor writing and unappealing personality, lack of onscreen chemistry, the fact she's a brown haired black girl, Zendaya fatigue, or all of those) so when they see a character who looks like the real MJ sharing tender scenes with Peter, they latch onto it. Kind of the way a man stuck in a desert dying of thirst will worship the first shallow puddle of water he runs into, because it's a heavenly oasis compared to what he had to suffer through.
>>155637347Jean is intentionally written as a "Dark" counterpart to Peter. There are intentional similarities and differences between them specifically meant to make you compare the two. Naturally this fuels shipping.
>>155637347For me it's because the movie, perhaps accidentally, presents the Peter/Jean pairing as the solution or answer for the movie's central question.BND is at its core really about loneliness, with Peter and Jean mirroring one another as the two loneliest characters. How do you escape loneliness and isolation? Peter mostly fails at reconnecting with his estranged friends, so he tries burying himself in his work to try and keep the depression at bay. It doesn't work. Jean tries to track down the only family she has left using increasingly violent and questionable means. It doesn't work.But at the climax of the movie's third act these two characters get a chance to quietly bond without anything else getting in the way. They reach the unlikely realization (Peter reaches it first) that maybe if they have each other, they can escape their loneliness. This new bond is instantly put to the test. Peter takes a .50 cal bullet for Jean, Jean breathes in Peter's stead until he can breathe on his own again. Both pass the test. This is the answer the story gives us on how Peter and Jean might escape loneliness and find a path forward. Making new connections.That's why the pairing lands for me. It's not that Peter/Jean happen to click, they as a duo are the movie's thesis made literal. BND doesn't just tell us how you beat isolation. The story shows it, and stakes its entire climax on it. Peter/Jean is the movie's answer to its own thematic question....all of this holds true until the final 5 minutes of the movie, which sadly undercuts nearly everything described up to this point. It abruptly puts Jean on a random bus to nowhere without any input from her (because she has to be in place for the X-Men movies). Then it regresses Peter's situation by restoring his friendship with Ned via a cheap shortcut that undercuts the previous tragedy (because you gotta have the designated Spiderman Social Circle™). This is why I said 'perhaps accidentally' earlier.
>>155638110yeah, unfortunately the story is still shackled to the grander MCU plans and brand synergy, but you know that if Jean was an OC, she would've stayed at the end
>>155638110you touched on something i've thought about since watching the film, which is how it spends most of its runtime showing boldness and advocating for a brand new chapter. but then like you said in the last 5 minutes it abruptly pulls a 180, throws away what it advocated for by unceremoniously dumped jean out of the story while reverting peter to the same old status quo. it's like the film was at the cusp of starting a really interesting new trilogy that feels like an unpredictable brand new day (heh) but then it chickens out at the last minute
>>155638425>but you know that if Jean was an OC, she would've stayed at the endExactly.
>>155638110
>>155637347biggest part is that tom and sadie have emma stone-ryan gosling tier chemistry >>155637347they had 2 minutes of on screen time together but they have that undeniable spark where they shine very good together, either as potential romance or potential friendship. in another life if tom was single, almost everyone would want him to star in romcoms with sadie
>>155603892I’m on chapter 4 of “The Future We Chose”, it’s been pretty kino so far. It strongly addresses the bad shit Jean did without demonizing her. It uses the fact that Peter still loves MJ and isn’t a complete doormat for Jean but does her find her attractive. He’s open to being her friend and the level of back and forth between the two is pretty damn good. There’s a clear sense of communication between the two. The best part about it is that Peter doesn’t want to jump straight into a relationship not just because of them basically only knowing each other for a day but he doesn’t want to be with Jean because he doesn’t want to be alone anymore but because he chose her. Jean actually relates to this because she came to realize she couldn’t make Peter her replacement for Sara, where she’s trying to fill in the empty space left by her sister. The way the author approaches this makes me feel like this depiction of SpiderPhoenix would be the most realistic approach the MCU could take.
>>155637347Granted I was never that much of an Asuka/Shinji fan. But it fits. As for the movie, I'd take 2 minutes that basically a Steven Universe episode tier "you can be better than this, Jean." over CGI destruction. It makes it feel more of a elseworld if we have Peter interact with a character he doesn't do much with in canon. It reminds me of a good version of the Flash; where Zod shows up to be the antagonist. But here they at least wrote Jean in such a way that she's actually fun.>>155637460>>155637473>>155638110These fit too. I don't hate Peter's friends but the whole theme of much of the recent MCU is to move on and it'd be harmful if he just kept hanging with them again because of bullshit. And no, I'm not a racist. I don't think Sadie is that pretty. She's just playing a more interesting character than Michelle, who despite Zendaya being a tolerable actress, is written like a lot of the rest of the MCU love interest in that she's boring as shit. I like her interacting with other characters more than Peter. The best part of NWH was GarfieldPeter and her's little arc. Though that CGI landing is godawful.
>>155639370that one's also pretty good
>>155638110>4channers make doctorate-level mini essays like this, while also being too lazy to get out of their rooms or fill out a job application
>>15563490933ft just updated
>>155637179Nice job anon, keep us updated!
someone on the spiderphoenix sub made the asuka comparison too
Boruto actually told a very similar story in Naruto Storm Connections of a powerful girl who hates the protagonist, bonding with him after being alone and ruthless and then being set emotionally free by him.
>>155640340I already got a PhD position at a major robotics center researching robowaifus. Why would I want another job?>>155640388What is it about?
I know this is a hot topic but I want to talk about how BND is basically an example itself of all the things everyone a worried about.We don't want Jean to go through the same arcs she already did in the previous two versions but she most likely will because that's what people expect from her. Just look at Bruce. His entire status quo for reset because fans wanted savage hulk back. The movie doesn't even explain it. Suddenly Hulk is back to being Bruce as a monster instead of hating being called Bruce and being somewhat sentient
>>155640981it's a what if scenario where Jean meets Peter before she meets Spider-Man
>>155640606I played it a while back and it was unironically more romantic than every single romance in Naruto despite it not even being explicitly a romance, though the bar is very low. Nanashi unironically should’ve been his real love interest.
>>155641672>best friends !huhPeter tingle?
>>155641672>>155642308How would a best friend dynamic between these two work? Obviously they can be dating but I wonder how they would treat each other when they’re not in a life or death situation or not trauma bonding.
>>155641232That's because the true romance in Naruto is between Naruto and Tsunade but they could not depict it.
>>155641232Sounds familiar
>>155639399How do you think Jean will develop from now on? I fear they'll turn her into a quippy girlboss
>>155638110The ending of the movie is so jarring on rewatch because it's a reminder that these are MCU movies so the characters need to be set up for the next film instead of completing the story here>I have no one >You have me>*Leaves* because she needs to set up the upcoming X men movie that will come out when she's 30Sure Peter did tell her to leave but... she wasn't even wanted by the police. She was wanted by Damage Control who is not only on the run but she literally had abilities that nullify anyone who would come for her. This is just dumb.
>>155594923>Filthy telepathI have personally nothing against mutants. Never had.However I have 9999 problems with telepaths.
>>155642739in a best case scenario they still keep some of the back and forth they had as enemies
I definitely see it
>>155637347X-posting from /tv/:The truth is: the social circle of MCU Peter Parker is shit. Liz, Ned, Flash, MJ, etc. The teenagers from his school. Some of them are miscast, all of them are unappealing or annoying or boring in their own way. They don't bring anything interesting out of Peter, and he doesn't bring out anything interesting out of them. MJ in particular sucks. Aunt May was the only one I liked.So every time MCU Spidey breaks free from these people or spends time with someone new, it is a breath of fresh air. The Jean Grey connection is simply the most extreme example of this, helped greatly by the fact she looks like the real MJ and by the fact Tom Holland and Sadie Sink have a natural chemistry that's almost as good as Garfield-Stone.
Give Ultimate Spider-man a read. Hell give Marvel Adventures Spider-man a read. Those stories have their problems but they don't really infantilize Peter as muchThe MCU Spider man friend group feel like teenagers written by an adult who thinks Teenagers are cute silly cartoons. Betty Brant is annoying whenever she's onscreen and she's one of the biggest examples. Flash too.
>>155643814I know she'll be a quippy girlboss. Just be thankful we got what we had
Reminder that this is the guy who's writing Jean's next appearance
>>155645378 It is what it is
>>155645378hahahaha we're doomed
>>155645378I would say "it's over" but let's face it, even Brand New Day already screwed the pooch with its ending.
>>155645378Wasn't it good?
>>155636691>Peter & Jean as Denji & Nayuta I miss my Chainsaw Man>>155635534I really hope someone pulls the Goblin & Jean comparisons, or I'll have to do it myself.>>155634163I forgot, how old is Peter supposed to be, anyway?
>>15564630922-23
Thinking of making a Spiderphoenix edit but coming up dry, what do you suggest?
>>155646564something sad
>>155646564Polyester type edit for the funny.
Possible to be the first MCU ship that does not fall apart onscreen wince Pepper herself Oh wait she dumped Tony in Civil War...
>>155647498But Tony and Pepper did get back together again and had a kid, yessir! Then one of them sacrifices themselves for the greater good.... oh no.
>>155647949well, if it's Jean, she can always come back
>>155648073like a......Phoenix
Jean making Peter have dreams where they have sex
i'm usually not a shipper. no idea why my brain latched onto this so hard. i don't even like most spiderman movies
>>155648209>Jean links her mind with Peter so he dreams of her riding him because that was her dream>Peter wakes up with raging morning wood and Jean happily relieves him
Dreamgasms with Jean...
Smartest man on earth: what if Jean Grey and Peter Parker had parallels
They both have squish battles every night I bet, even some tickle battles.
>>155635894And get called sissy sister Tom by Schafer kek
Chad Kit Connor Scott is gonna blow Jean's back out in xmen and she'll forget Peter who continues to be depressed over MJ whoring it up in her twenties
More Jean Grey!
>>155649755what the fuck
>>155649755This shit is crazy. They’re trying to get it to 3 billion hard.
>>155649755Okay this is actually just bad practice. There can't possibly be enough footage to restore to make this worth the price. Sony is trying to beat Avatar. I am 100% certain that their goal here is just to come up with an excuse to put the movie back in theaters so that it can beat Avatar.
so, any update on that visual novel?
farewell guys, I had fun
>>155653043Ok see you next thread
>>155650544Sony's gonna fail for sure
>>155654117neat!
>>155653417These threads have slowed down quite a bit. Need the MCU to feed us again soon.
>>155654655im still here making sure it doesnt hit the 10th page
>>155649755Another Endgame
>>155649755they're just going to add in more Glup Shitto characters instead of expanding on the actually good parts of the movie
>>155594923Do you think she cums extra hard when he calls her 'Mutie' in bed?
>>155655844She got obsessed when he called her dangerous
do you think there's anyone in the test audiences or among the Marvel/Sony higherups who watched the movie and had the balls to tell Feige this pairing was unexpectedly great and worth exploring further? i'm not sure because my instinct is to say probably not, but a lot of the normies i've talked with seem to feel this way
>>155656036The movie makes a joke about rule 34. I'm sure he was aware that having two characters make out before they even know each other would incite shipping.
>>155649755Her boobs look really good in that pic.
Why the fuck would I want to go to a fucking theater to see a few more minutes to explain a minor plot hole????? Just put it on the fucking DVD holy shit.
>>155656248i only watched the movie on cam but i've been invited to go see it in the cinema with a friend in a few weeks so i'll go
>>155649755Should have been added in the first place. Would have explained why Peter was able to keep his secret during his recovery while unmasked
They were stupid for leaving it out. Rosario Dawson is a huge actress and EVERYONE was asking how Peter and the Punisher could just walk into a fucking hospital and get treatment
>>155656357>Rosario Dawson is a huge actresscmon anon she's about 5'7" let's not overexaggerate
>>155632688I like the movie because it demonstrates that if you take Holland's Peter Parker and liberate him from the established interpersonal machinery of the previous films, it results in a pretty fun experience. But like you said, it makes a point of regressing back so I wouldn't be surprised if the next movies are as annoying to watch as Homecoming-NWH.
PETER DID NOT HAVE TO HOLD HER LIKE THIS.Oh and uh, new behind-the-scenes stuff is out.
>>155657147the princess carry was absolutely vital to stopping her
>>155657147haha me and my sibling re-enact this particular pose all the time guys
>>155657147Alright these two better end up F U C K I N G
>>155657147>Sibling coded>princess carrying her
>>155657147Oh fuck, she looks so hot. I'm surprised he didn't rape her right there and then.Also IMAGINE the smell!
>>155657418H-hot!
>>155657147This scene explains why Naruto is from Fortnite now.
>>155654655>feed us again>soonHoly prophet!!! Checked!!!!! I KNEEL
Jean really walked around the movie like a grumpy edgelord while wearing bright yellow autism pants
>>155652260Slow but steady, mostly generating the plot lines and trying for 2 endings. For now to keep the scope small, don't wanna overextend and not finish it.Will add more plotlines once the first version is finished
>>155657147Whats funny is that her legs were offscreen in this shot so he did not have to carry them at all lmfao
they finally gave us a little bit of fucking food
>>155657847Tom finally realized he made a mistake in marrying Zendaya
It's so funny that you can legitimately argue that Peter stopped seething at Jean when he realized she was a woman and not some grimy man
>>155657147>Video has multiple angle takes of this specific scene>It also has just Tom and Sadie being silly on set>Video ends with the "You looked me up? I'm blushing!" line, but said with a happier intonation.The dog is really good at chess.https://youtu.be/IzNvPa7EdE0
I hope the behind the scenes content is thorough
>behind the scenes blurb that's all about Peter and Jean>proper HD release in a weekWe are so back.. kind of.
they had to include that full shot of peter carrying her
>>155657147Past threads I always greentexted in about Jean falling for Peter Parker/realizing her new obsession and being in doubt with pic related. That new full shot of her in his arms is even better.
>>155646564Multo - Cup of Joe
>>155657147Jean Grey got that Jia Lissa build
>>155657147They have the gold right in front of them. They just need to TAKE IT!
>>155658439That'd be great honestly
lol Florence Pugh on Jimmy Kimmel is shocked that the internet took the small potatoes line so seriouslyShe's right too. Yelena is a little cocky so of course she was going to say that to Spider-man
why is this ship so popular in asia? all the fanart i see is anime coded and half the fics are in moon rune language
>>155659944Rival pairings are extremely popular in japan and unlike america most asian countries have no stigma against falling in love with someone who you might have a "family" dynamic with Also the age gap is a non issue outside of the west
>>155659944I think it's less that it's super popular in asia and more that the different cultural hangups in america and britain hold it back from rising as high as it canSimply put >Black girlfriend trope This isn't really anyone's fault but it is an unfortunate trend of introducing a black female lead and having her fall out with the superhero so he can have a better white girlfriend. This has happened so many times that it's actually weird that it's a nameable thing. So people will argue any instance of this is racist. I would argue that it really isn't so much as a really odd coincidenceAnd yes there are spiderphoenix fans who are openly racist just like there are any group. This will be used against the ship>Age gapThis one the movie does not help. Punisher says "She's a teenager?" in response to something Peter says offscreen. Many, many people are assuming that means she's between the ages of 13 and 17. Inappropriate for a relationship with a 22 year old man. There is no area in the united states where that wouldn't be met with disgust. Jean's age is not specified but Feige says she's close in age to Peter. I think the most reasonable guess is 19. 17 is not close to 22. She seems way too self assured and dominant to be a teenager I think. She had 0 awkwardness in her throughout the movie and ALL MCU teenagers are awkward.>She's literally Jean GreyThis one is a real threat to the pairing. The X-men are more popular in the west than the east while spider man is equally popular world wide. So most Japanese people did not care about Jean until this movie while americans already know she's supposed to be Scott's girlfriend and part of the X men. She's an adaptation of a character with an iconic history and people have expectations that she stick to that instead of doing something that just hasn't been done before.>Sibling Codedthe most deranged critique. People believe that she and Peter see each other as siblings
>>155660065I ran out of post characters but I have to specify that "Sibling coded" is a western exclusive problem. Nobody in asia uses that against pairings.
>>155659944unlike westerners, we aren't as excited by blacks in media. Peter's black oneitis sucks in every way. Jean is cool and if she were an OC with no Xmen history, i think many more people would ship itbut don't underestimate general audiences. i watched BND at a fully packed showing and when he said "you have me" people really reacted to that and i heard several groups of people talking about how tender that was. it's not just an internet culture thing that likes this dynamic
Peter having two freakishily intelligent black girls in a row (both taller than him) and then damaging the relationship on his own before ending up with a shorter, extremely abrasive white girl is funny in a sort of functional sense
>>155660100>it's not just an internet culture thing that likes this dynamicI was very surprised that, when I took my least-online cousin to see this movie when he was visiting our town, he wished Jean kissed Peter on the cheek as a thank you after he said "you have me" when I asked if he would change anything about the movie itself right after we finished watching it.I didn't even mention the ship to him or anything...
>>155660100>>155660214The “you have me” scene is the scene that really unlocked people’s brain regarding the ship. It’s so good and I consider it a romantically platonic scene, where it can be taken both ways. It’s truly intimate.
>>155658231youtube comments also asking for PeterJean
I believe SpiderPhoenix could help solve the loneliness epidemic. It just has that much potential power.
>>155660494>The “you have me” scene is the scene that really unlocked people’s brain regarding the shipI think it's the triple threat of>"you have me">Peter instantly confirms the truth behind his words by tanking the bullet while holding Jean>Jean panics and drops the mean girl act, and commits her first benevolent act by breathing for Peter to save himhappening in quick succession. As grand gestures go, this will be hard to outdo in future movies.
>>155660778That is a very good combo. Yeah, it’s easy to see why the ship would hook people.
spiderphoenix anime series when
writing a fic about MJ baffled at seeing Peter's still in touch with Jean long after she disappearedyou'll see me on ao3
>>155661445this is gonna be a show about walking around and doing nothing, like Lanterns
>>155660065>. Punisher says "She's a teenager?Punisher also call Peter a "good kid" at the end of the movie in the hospital. Jon Bernthal is 50 so the Punisher is probably in his 40s. A 19 year old is a teen and a 21 year old like Peter is a kid to him. His understanding of both their ages is vague or distorted at best. We've yet to get a definitive age for Jean and everyone is projecting
>>155661318godspeed anon
>>155657147Z is most likely seething about this
Now that the movie will be out in HD people will stop drawing her in jeans
All this onscreen chemistry is doomed because a Rick and Morty writer is writing secret wars and she's going to end up with Scott
>>155662697They wanna stick with the "tried and tested" formula of Jott to make ez bucks and not piss off the Z fandom, Jott fandom and Cyclops fandom
dooming and fencesitting is for pussiesi WILL hold onto hope that Marvel uses their brain and uses the Peter/Jean duo well, knowing full well what an uphill battle that is. and if disappointment comes i will meet it with my head held high
>>155657147Her pants is the most JoJo thing I've ever seen
>>155663467same, wheter it Sinks or does not i'm fine
>>155664503Sink? Say that again?
>>155658231>happier intonationHuh, why is it a different delivery? In the movie, it sounds a bit more like a question rather than an observation (like the one in the Featurette).>https://files.catbox.moe/qa5jod.mp4
Hi novel anon here, thinking about the mechanics of Jean's powers in a novel style format. Would be cool to have possession and depending who you possess, you get different endingsI got a timeline already since before BND and then through it. Now to work through the plot.
>>155664868Thinking of some locations to take the character to
>>155663467Based. Normally I would approach something like this ship cautiously but fuck it, I just want to hope and hope hard.
Will you be watching the x-men movies, anon?
>>155665821Yes anon. I wanna see a very good portrayal of Cyclops
>>155660065>17 is not close to 22It is close enough in the state of New York, where 17 is already legal
>>155665821Only for Jean.
>>155665821I wanna see Jean and Emma fight over Peter
>>155657147Ztroons and Jott fans really having a melty on X for this, they can't accept that they have very very good chemistry
Most fanart for this pairing unintentionally recreates toradora
>>155668651that's why it's the goatTHE GOAT
One week from now and we finally get the blu ray with all the behind the scenes stuff
anyone else like the behind the scenes fucking of porn than the actual porn
Marvel has in its hands the opportunity to make several more guaranteed 2+ billion Spiderman movies, they just need one person on their creative team to correctly put their finger on the pulse of what the movies are missing
>>155669398This is the last time Peter will ever touch her. She's going to end up with Scott. Scott is going to impregnate her with Cable. She's going to kiss Scott and maybe she will talk to Peter about Scott while Peter and MJ introduce her to their son, Miles.
>>155669420wipe your tears, scotty boy
Spider-cucks are so pathetic.
>>155669420I never said Marvel will seize the opportunity lol.
funny how with what 616 peter is going through right now jean grey is the person most perfectly suited to fix it
>>155669450Projecting much, Paulnigger?
>>155666038Why would anyone want to watch cyclops? He looks fucking lame!
>>155669420Based Scott enjoyer>>155669450Kek
Reminder that Peter will always love MJ and Jean will always love Scott
>>155669312>blu rayThey're still making those?
So apparently Cyclops will be getting a big role in Doomsday?Where is Spidey? Where is Jean?https://youtu.be/lARiBU25bBo
>>155669786t'm unironically pissed that Fox Jean and Storm aren't present
>>155669420He doesn't know
>>155669786Fox Cyclops needs justice, he got shafted hard. He is unironically better than Kit Cyclops
>>155657147Why did Marvel release new footage of the two siblings? Do they want to hype up their sibling relationship?
>>155670027Feels too ooc. Peter doesn't seem that aggressive, Jean might though.Also shoulders are too large, artist probably draws yaoi
>>155670079He looks even more of a twink now kek
>>155670079Masculine Sadie and Feminine Tom
>>155670068I have to admit, the first meeting was quite nasty if you think about it
>>155670410>hello nice to meet you>what do you want>it's weird that i can't mind jump you>what do you fucking want>why are you helping damage control? they attack anyone who's different>it isn't because you're different it's because you're a mutie freak bitch and you deserve to go to jail what the fuck do you want>okay you fucking self hating hypocrite fuck i'm going to rape your whole life for that comment
jean grey web shibari
>>155670509I wish Jean Grey would peg me!
>>155671199She's unironically better than Sophie Turner
Some anon on tv improved the meme
>>155671461see they complete each other
>>155671290Anyone is better than Sophie Turner
>>155670046The tobeyification of Peter Parker was a mistake
>>155671712What do you mean with that?
>>155671461So I see this comparison a lot and I think there is some nuance that gets missing when its formatted into a checklist.Does Jean sexually assault Peter? Yes. Absolutely. That is a morally reprehensible thing to do to someone and the story addresses it. Does Killgrave sexually assault people? Fuck, he RAPES MANY PEOPLE repeatedly. Over and over.I think people are forgetting that these interactions inform these characters. They aren't supposed to be role models. Jessica Jones is not a role model character. She's someeone you observe. You aren't supposed to like everything Jean does (I do). Killgrave has no comprehension that what he's doing is rape. He gave up his humanity because the nature of his powers means he literally cannot have a genuine dynamic with anyone. It's a very complex dynamic.He doesn't just want to break Jessica. He WANTS Jessica. He is fascinated by Jessica. He can't live without her. He loves her in a twisted way. Even when he hurts her it's like a pouty child trying to get attention from a parent. It's a twisted and inhuman dynamic. He actually cringes at the word "Rape". As far as he's concerned he makes people consent. He is dangerously innocent.He is something of a commentary on the nature of rape. Not every rapist was consciously doing the act, they thought they were following signals. Jean is not a commentary on rape or consent. Her powers are more along the lines of a standard saturday morning suite. Yes she uses them for vile things but unlike Killgrave the story is not about consent. The tone of BND changes. Does this create an inconsistency in the universe? Yes. But it isn't a big deal.Jean is also entirely aware that forcing MJ to kiss Peter was a vile thing to do. That is the reason she did it. She was trying to get him to fuck off by any means necessary. She was trying to crush his spirit so that he leaves her alone.
>Secret Wars filming has been delayed Seems like they're figuring out how to include Peter and Jean sex scenes.
The scene where Peter and Jean find each other at the end of the universe, and after talking with Stan Lee's ghost they strip naked and make sweet love, becoming the parents of the new world
>>155671793Awesome! Hope it ends up with a leglocking scene with a closeup of Jean's v-max dripping with Peter's sperm
Is it bad that I kinda want to see 616 comic doing Peter and Jean?
>>155671793God I'm so fucking sick of faggot Avengers and Xmen movies.We could have had a nice little trilogy of self contained Spidey movies, but no. Everything in service to MCU for the worse. Fuck this shit, I don't have superhero fatigue. I have cinematic universe fatigue.
>>155671793Please please please let it be so that they're adding more Peter and Jean interactions.
>>155657147This is actual real behind the scenes pics? Damn, they did this on purpose haha
>>155657147somehow a more believable romance than whatever relationship Tom and Zendaya have offscreen lmao
>>155671875Anything to get Peter away from current MJ and Jean away from the retarded love triangle with Scott and Wolverine
Well surely with the new scenes coming out, there's just no way they don't know, right?
>still going back to the old retired avengers for doomsday even though spiderman, the x men, and the hulk have always been the most popular marvel comics characters
>>155656234Rosario Dawson has nice tits, yeah
>>155672453Yeah it looks quite lame all things considered
>>155595299>>155597787The SpiderPhoenix AI series anon here. I have published the 2nd demo scene. In this one, we learn that being Jean Grey is being suffering.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0LeD_MmReMThe style went progressively more photo-realistic, to a bigger degree than intended. But the progression itself was intended, to artistically demonstrate Jean's increasingly depressed state.
>>155672760I've seen a lot of people argue that when you look at how destructive Jean is, that her mother made the only logical choice
>>155671461kek
>>155672948The bit with the mother is taken almost straight from from my fanfic Jean Grey: Back in the Day, only some changes were made to put emphasis on Jean's desire to save Sara. Anyway, if you are interested in how I see Jean's relationship with her mother, you can read the fanfic. It's in canon with the series.
>>155660065muh age gap and sibling coded was just bullshit spread by troondaya fans.The former is just e-pearl clutching by perma online fags and the latter is just made up nonsense
>28k likesbased spanish twitter
>>155669450>Cyclopsfag calling Spider-Man a cuck as if Angel, Namor, Wolverine and Human Torch aren't going to send Scott back to the cuck chair
It's funny how you guys predicted the whole "Phoenix Force is used to save Spider-man from the Symbiote's influence" idea but for the wrong pair of characters
>>155669626Okay Michelle Jones
>>155675280it actually makes me mad since when does laura have anything to do with the phoenix forcehow the fuck is it able to kill her when she's literally invincible why did they frontload this comic with exposition
>>155674261Kek
>two week waiting queue to register an account on AO3what the FUCK lolis it because of the Malfoid thing?
She was doing too much man look at hershe's relishing it
>>155676121nah, I created my account right after SpiderPhoenix started and it took around the same time
>>155676121>MalfoidPardon?
>>155671793>Begin filmingThey haven't even started? Fucking movie studios man
>>155676208classic jean
>>155669786Any theories on why Doom hates the muties now?
>>155676490He's Eastern European, does he really need to have a reason?
>>155676208wonder what went through her head while she was doing that lol
>>155676753She was probably wondering how far she would take this. Notice how specific she got. She went the full mile and pretended to be MJ unraveling her memories. It's so cruel.
>>155676753"How clever and strategic you are, Jean"
There are people not understanding this aspect of the movie but I think the movie should have emphasize more the idea that Jean is someone who 100% committed to living her life as the monster people think she is
>>155676753She wanted to break Spidey and successfully did, she wanted him out of her way
BND is the first MCU movie since phase 1 that is treated like a FILM instead of an episode of televisionexcept for the last few minutes where everything about it is entirely dependant on what future movies do
>>155677150>except for the last few minutes where everything about it is entirely dependant on what future movies dobeen saying this for 2 months. the movie betrays itself in the last 5 minutes because it has to account for continuity and the broader MCU group projects
>>155650131They want this to be the first movie to cross one billion in the domestic box office in its first year
>>155649719Based Kit appreciator
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>>155677209Imagine if you didn't know who Jean is. We'd be asking why the fuck she leaves at the end. We'd be asking why the movie doesn't establish some way Peter and Jean stay in touch so they don't have to be alone.
>>155672252>Jean away from the retarded love triangle with Scott and WolverineI'm yet to catch up but from what I've seen so far in the From the Ashes it seems like Scott is her only love and they are in a long distance relationship due to her being in space.
>>155677362They are redheads but they don't look similar.Sadie has more masculine western features while Kit has softer feminine features, if he dyes his hair black he can pass off as wasian
Jean and Peter are literally both harem protags
>>155677460Jean outmogs Peter in terms of partners tho, she hooked up with many men
>world's first sibling coded jean and cyclops honestly if i was a cykefag i would be annoyed at the amount of times his character has been reduced to "annoying overly serious boyscout". It seems like the only time he's been given justice in the last 30 years was X Men Evolution and X Men 97
>>155677507I like Cyclops and he is my favorite among the X-Men, but I'm fine if he ends up with Jean or someone else.In most comics, games and animation anyway, Scott x Jean always ends up together
Spiderphoenix is canon!
>>155677593the fuck is this
>>155677649Someone posted earlier. In the mangaverse there are two issues focused on Miles (Symbiote) and X23 (Phoenix) X23 attempts to harness the phoenix force and miles temporarily stops her using the symbiote. The symbiote then takes over miles completely and Ezekiel Simms shows up and takes on some kind of twisted venom symbiote transformation with it. X23 takes on the phenix force in full and sacrifices herself while freeing Miles, then giving the Phenix to Magik who defeats the symbiote using it
>>155677649spiderphoenix happened!
>>155677649X23 took on the phoenix. Her body is breaking apart. She dies stopping Miles from destroying the world.
>>155677713>>155677741>>155677758wait whatthis is legit???fuck it, ill take what i can get lmao
>>155677773Yes. Literally they do an exact parody of Naruto's Team 7. The set up being that Magik and X23 are Rivals and Miles tries to break them apart. Then it turns out Miles is actually the deranged one who was manipulated by an evil master into attacking X23. It's doing an homage to tragic rivalries and anime characters being long time friends forced to fight each other. Miles loses control over the symbiote nearly killing everyone on earth. The only way to stop it is the phoenix force and X23 is the only person who knew it could be used, so she ends up sacrificing herself. Miles and Magik reconcile and then Miles goes off on a Journey, suddenly X23 is resurrected as a Yokai. She is basically the same only she has horns and fangs. the end.
>>155677593Apparently the end of the original mangaverse was focused on Peter and Jean (Don't get excited, they weren't even in the same issues) and that is why the phoenix and the spider clan are a big deal presently
>I want the Naruto and Sasuke dynamic where Spider-man and Phoenix save each other from their respective alien supermodes >MONKEY PAW CURLS
It makes sense to do that with legacy characters in the comics since Peter and Jean's entire dynamic is just "we're kind of nice to each other".Still weird to use X23 instead of someone Jean is actually tied to and interacts with. The MCU still has an opportunity.
I don't know if there's a better thread for this. I missed out on all the movie discussion weeks ago.What the fuck were Jean's powers? Because it's definitely not telepathy. She could possess people, see their memories, put a 1 kilometer section of New York into stasis, telekinetically control glass shards, and somehow keep Peter's heart beating despite having a .50 cal hole in his chest.Is this just another case of magic bullshit powers that do whatever the plot needs?
>>155678088Starts out as telepathic possession but evolves into all kind of magic bullshit powers.
>>155678088She is the Phoenix now, she is broken as fck
>>155678088Jean's main power was Inhabiting. that is the word they use in the movie and behind the scenes. In the movie she possesses people. Yelena had to clarify that it isn't brainwashing, it's possession.She is able to control someone but she is also subject to things that happen to them. She physically recoiled when Hulk was smashed in the head and started twitching when he was escaping her control. That is the standard version of her power.She "Evolved" similar to Peter after Damage control started torturing her. After that point she basically just has the full power pack of Jean Grey abilities which allowed her to freeze the city and start physically controlling multiple objects and people.
>>155678163Not broken enough to avoid getting sniped by Frank.She didn't even give Peter a get well soon card after he took a bullet for her.
>>155678200>She didn't even give Peter a get well soon card after he took a bullet for her.pretty sure the part where she kept him alive and breathed for him until he woke up qualifies as a get well soon wish
>>155678224She's a fucking telepath she could have said thank you with her mind.
>longest cpr session in history
>>155678236she wanted to but a man in a trenchcoat called Kevin Feige kidnapped her and put her on a bus to nowhere
>>155678250damn
>>155677593Unironically the best use of Miles
>>155678250>bus to nowhereprobably accurateshe has too many powers to be a part of anything now, so she's permanently benched
>>155678250>>155678290The only reason the Phoenix exists in the first place was to boot Jean out because she's a writing nightmare
It's time.>>155678308>>155678308>>155678308
>>155678276lmao
>>155678315about time too lol
>>155678309Fair enough
>>155678250What a shame.
>>155678250she's too broken
