Hearing voices editionPrevious: >>155600957
Apparently it was Viv's choice to add Adam be a presence in Lute's mental deterioration, meaning there was a possibility that we were going to get her crash out without Adam hallucinations. I wonder how that would have played out? That gives me the impression that he really is going to stay dead... But I don't know. Why do people act like Viv hate Adam lol There's a probable chance that, because she likes him so much, she planned to bring him back for real, especially if the alleged insider info about him and Eve being a thing
If Lute is Eve I want her to go full Conan the barbarian.
>>155634702So blu-ray is a different format to DVD and most PCs, even if they have a disc drive, won't read them. For ripping it specifically I think you need to get the thing onto a PC. You can get a USB CD-DVD reader very cheap but the market for USB Blu-ray readers is much smaller and more expensive. I'm seeing them for around 50 quiddies, which is a big ask for something I'd use once, and it'll be more in dollarinos.
>>155634749I wouldn't necessarily mind if she's not Eve, I'm just moreso confused on the circumstantial evidence surrounding her. Either she's Eve, or she's an Eve clone.
>>155634755Ahhh got it. That makes sense. Damn, that is expensive. I think I have a relative who has that sort of thing though, so I may try it...
>>155634723To be honest to me this is raising questions about whether she's Eve after all. If the writing team knows she's Eve then surely Adam would be a presence in her breakdown and they wouldn't need Vivzie to suggest it. If she's a random exorcist melting down because of the system, maybe less so.
>>155634723probably, though how and in what state he will return is up to debate.personally, I would love for him to return as a kid, a big boy or Lucifer size.
>>155634758Yeah. It's absolutely weird there so much Eve stuff surrounding her. At best she's Eve and at worst she's a clone.
Nobody asked this before. Can virtuous souls in heaven and angels get pregnant?
>>155634780I'm more assuming she is Eve but Adam's impact on her is more pronounced. Like maybe originally they didn't have her miss him to this extent but Viv and the rest started really liking the idea of Eve still loving him and decided to make it more concrete.
>>155634803Fundamentally we don't know. I don't think Viv confirmed anything yet.
>>155634758I think she pulled a Zero for the same reason Zero used a cloned body.aka his body passively produced a virus that drove reploids mad and go maverick thus he sealed his original body away and used a copy to live among the reploids safely.I think the same way with Eve, Lute is still Eve but her body isn't her original body as that was on her request since it was passively polluting the Earth and Humanity, aka her presence made people go mad or evil through the apple's influence...thus for that to not invade Heaven, she must have shed her old body and some mumbo jumbo to become Lute.
The one other thing that gives me pause about the Lute=Eve theory is that comment from, I think Sam Haft, that Lute had been bred to believe in the dogma of Heaven? Like the word 'bred' is such an odd choice and brings to mind some kind of purpose made creation.
>>155634803So... I'm not coding anything directly, so remind me to follow up on this, I do vaguely recall in the patreon it was said something like how sinners souls aren't the same as like, living souls, So they can't reproduce, and that winter souls are on the same category. Also she confirmed ages ago that there are no children in heaven or hell respectively, so I don't think it's wrong to say that no, neither winners or sinners can reproduce.
say...could Sinners be a viable source of energy? because Hell could legit prove to be an excellent place to pull a Yaldabaoth level of fuckery and make them act as batteries.
>>155634869Eh what?
>>155634824This I don't necessarily mind either, but if this turns out to be the case, you know the fandom is going to say stupid shit like, oh she's not the real Eve. Or something. And then we run into the same problem of now. There's an additional figure somewhere, or there was...? I don't know, to me it's just more straightforward that she's just Eve with a haircut and some loss of pigmentation, and she had Sera or even Roo help out with some memory alteration.
>>155634849I was actually Viv who said that, and then Sam has said that she is a creature of Heaven. I can pull the interviews for you later, but, the way Sam said it specifically, it made it seem more like.... Not that she was literally born there, but that she is such a zealous fanatic of Heaven, if that makes sense. Viv said that she is dutiful above all else, and that people tend to forget that and assume that she's just angry all the time and that's it, when it's not. The odd thing about that is, that, Viv actually ended up deleting that thread, which is really out of character as far as I'm aware? Viv doesn't really delete things like that, and she didn't say anything that we presumably didn't already know about Lute. That was also where she said that they set her up big.
>>155634824>I think she pulled a Zero for the same reason Zero used a cloned body.>aka his body passively produced a virus that drove reploids mad and go maverick thus he sealed his original body away and used a copy to live among the reploids safely.What are you talking about?
Personally, if they're going with the clone theory, then I like to think it's more of an Ergo Proxy situation, with monad and Re-L (or even Re-L and Real)
I'm currently incredibly confused
>>155634955About
>>155634965Wtf is being referenced right now.
>>155634975Dude, there's several threads of conversation right now. What the hell are you referring to?
>>155634901The word 'bred' is just so strange. Can't wrap my head around it. Definitely suggests she was, idk, specially created?
>>155635030Nope. “Bred” isn’t synonymous with “created.” It describes the process responsible for shaping something into what it eventually becomes. This can be through production, upbringing, cultivation, or continued development. There's more evidence of her being brainwashed because Sam has actually described Lute this way, that she's been psychologically conditioned.
>>155635045I hope you're right, it just gives me pause because it's an odd choice of words.
If Lute were created in Heaven with absolute obedience to its hierarchy already inherent to her nature, then the emphasis on her being psychologically conditioned into that obedience becomes somewhat harder to explain. Conditioning implies there was something that had to be instilled, reinforced, and maintained over time. That suggests those beliefs weren’t originally intrinsic to her at all: it was something Heaven had to teach her until they became foundational to how she thinks. Otherwise, she would not be crashing out this way because Sera, Emily and Speaker are much more creatures of Heaven than she is, yet they are accepting redemption. Viv also confirmed that a big part of why she's crashing out is because she sees the world in black and white, and now the same world that taught her all this stuff is doing the complete opposite.
>>155635070Vaggie is actually a pretty good example of why I don’t think this level of devotion is inherent to the Exorcists. Once she defects, there’s no indication that she’s struggling with some deeply ingrained allegiance to Adam, Lute, Heaven, or even her former duty. She doesn’t spend the series wrestling with the morality she abandoned or desperately trying to reconcile her old values with her new ones. Vaggie demonstrates that an Exorcist can reject the entire framework. Meaning, it's apparently voluntary, up to a point. Which makes Lute the stranger case. Heaven itself is changing course. Sera accepts the evidence that redemption is possible. Emily obviously embraces it. Even the Speaker, who is in a position of considerably greater authority and is arguably far more representative of Heaven’s foundational order than Lute could ever be, accepts redemption. Lute is the one crashing out. She’s clinging to an ideology so rigidly that she’s now effectively resisting the very institution whose authority she supposedly reveres. So where did that rigidity come from? Why is she incapable of adapting when Heaven itself can?Sam’s specifically described both Adam and Lute as believers in retributive justice: “an eye for an eye.” Meanwhile, Sera herself questions during “Sera's Confession” why she ever trusted a justice so cruel and depraved. The Exterminations weren’t presented as some immutable expression of Heaven’s values. Sera authorized them, but the particular ideology driving them is associated with Adam and Lute. So if Lute’s worldview isn’t inherent to Exorcists, isn’t simply Heaven’s current doctrine, and is extreme enough that she continues clinging to it even when Heaven moves away from it, then what happened to Lute that made those beliefs so deeply embedded in her that changing them is practically impossible? Basically, I think, she's clinging to what she thinks is right and wrong. Very human of her.
I hate the idea of some random Lilith look-alike suddenly waltzing into the story talking about revenge, how much she misses Adam, or whatever the fuck, and take over Lute’s territory while Lute herself gets pushed aside. We’ve already spent multiple seasons establishing Lute’s relationship with Adam, her grief over his death, her obsession with retribution, her increasingly unstable relationship with Heaven, and this larger history that the writers are withholding from us. Introducing another woman to occupy essentially the same emotional and narrative space would feel ridiculously repetitive. If Eve is eventually going to show up furious, vengeance-driven, emotionally connected to Adam, and relevant to the larger Heaven/Hell conflict anyway, then I would prefer that the woman we’ve already been following this entire fucking time is Eve. At least then all of that development belongs to Lute instead of becoming competition for her own storyline.
>>155635045no, breeding is directed reproduction. you can cultivate and develop generations of a species via breeding, but you don't take an individual unit and say "we're breeding this stallion to reach his top speed potential"
>>155635383Nope. You’re treating the literal reproductive definition of “breed” as though it exhausts every possible use of “bred.” Words have several meanings. Someone can absolutely be described as having been “bred to believe” something without the speaker claiming that belief was genetically selected through reproduction. “Bred” can mean brought up, raised, or trained so that a particular quality, attitude, or belief becomes established. That’s the sense behind expressions such as “bred to obey,” “bred to believe,” or “bred in the tradition.”
>>155635280iirc the wife-swap theory is based on the idea that eve hated adam too, and was waiting for him to be killed off. she wants revenge on both heaven and hell, and apparently knew adam could stop her. meanwhile her revenge on hell is the personal 'fuck up charlie and lucifer's relationship' kind, which exonerates lilith from all bad parenting and wifery because it was eve the whole time while lilith was trapped inside rosie (ignore that this means lucifer and charlie don't notice and also that nobody notices rosie suddenly acting different seven years ago).
>>155635539The wife swap theory is directly from the leaks which said exactly that: that Lilith and Eve switched places
>Seasons Big Bad is wrecking havoc>Heaven comes down to stop them>Wrecks the exorcists and Abel>Abel on the ground, Big Bad about to strike the killing blow>Suddenly a sinner arrives and stops Big Bad>It's fucking Cain
Someone on the farms posted screenshots from that animal fucker Chai's discord server where an employee, Erin, repeat the leaks posted on Twitter.
>>155634902play megaman x and megaman zero or simply watch a video talking about the lore to get the idea.but in essence, imagine if Eve's body after the Fall began to negativately impact everyone in a very passive manner because the forbidden fruit can now act as a soul virus or influence people around Eve, thus Cain killing Abel was him being vulnerable and affected by Eve because Roo is discreetly influencing everyone like that.its why Eve had to become Lute, otherwise that shit would make many Fall in Heaven and make it another Hell, Eve cannot go to Heaven but Lute can, Lute is Eve's copied body and a safe vessel to contain the evil and not spread it...which explains the black halo.
>>155635622More info please. Which leaks exactly, when were they posted and is it a current employee
>>155635622Which Erin? Erin Frost? Wasn't that the one that had a whole fallout on twitter and tumblr, or something?
>>155634878using Sinners as a battery instead of killing them, when Overlords do it then its all okay but when someone else does it on a mass scale project to supply mankind with an infinite source of energy supplied by the soul of the damned, everyone loses their mind.
>>155635698No idea what you're on about
>>155635622animal fucker? and aren't those leaks like pre-s2?
>>155635821Those leaks mention Eve, so it's more of the overall plan of the show, not just season2.
>>155634749And the Lord said onto the woman, "For thou was the first sinner and manipulated thy husband against me, I shall give thee two choices. Thou will go to hell, or thee shall go to heaven on one condition, thee shall forget self, thee shall forget thy mortal life and take on a new name, a new persona, and become anew. Thou shall forget thy husband and thy sons and daughters, and thy husband and thy sons and daughters shall forget thee. And thou shall only remember the love of one person.""Adam." The woman immediately spoken."Interesting choice. Well I shall see you in five centuries."
>>155635622Can you share the screenshots, anon?
>>155635715of course you won't, it is a higher concept you cannot grasp.just fucking watch the matrix for reference, the same idea but applied to Sinners.get them inside chambers, hook em on a virtual reality world and use their souls as fuel for the benefit of Humanity.
>>155635888those are some foreboding trips I tell you hwat.
>>155634723Absolutely nothing Viv has said suggests Adam is coming back. She's not coy or teasing about it, she constantly says she regrets not getting more time with the character. Amazon had to build his personality, essentially. None of this tracks with him coming back and being important.
>>155636604I didn't say anything she said suggests it, I said there's a -chance- he may come just because of how much she likes him.
>>155635539I don't think the wife swap theory in a general sense had a solid element of how Eve felt about Adam. It didn't really go that far.
>>155636604I still think this doesn't discount him coming back eventually in some kind of epilogue. We know the real Adam isn't going to be a major character but we also know hallucination Adam is still going to be prominent and has at least one song and possibly multiple songs coming up.
>>155634878Gnostic stuff don't worry.
>>155636637If he does I can't see how it would be a significant story element if it wasn't already planned. The story is only getting more tightly packed moving forward. I think at best he shows up toward the end or in an epilogue as a Sinner or something and it's treated more like a joke or fan service. Maybe throw Lute a bone after her arc.>>155636661You posted this as I was typing so yes, agreed.
>>155636659>I don't think the wife swap theory in a general sense had a solid element of how Eve felt about Adam. It didn't really go that far.Per the “official” leaks that we actually know of, very little was established about Eve personally. The claims were basically that she wanted revenge on Lucifer, intended to drive a wedge between him and Charlie, and wanted to destroy Heaven because they blamed her for the apple. The former employee later clarified in the server that Eve’s goal involved taking down both Heaven and Hell. That’s essentially it. Everything beyond that was fandom filling in the blanks. Eve hating Adam, Roo being Eve, Eve loving her children, Eve having a happy life on Earth with Adam, and so one, none of that came from the leaks themselves. I’ve even seen people say Eve wanted revenge on Lucifer because he “ruined Eden for her,” but that isn’t what the leaks said either. Those are interpretations people built around the revenge motive afterward.
>>155635698Your Metatron is cool. Saved.
>>155636734>If he does I can't see how it would be a significant story element if it wasn't already planned.Y...Yes, that's how stories work. I wasn't suggesting she changed her mind last minute or recently? All this is planned.
>>155635563More that Eve kicked Lilith out of her own life to take it over while Lilith had to live on the periphary pretending to be a sinner overlord. Calling it wife swap was always funny because they don't switch places according to the "leak."
>>155636940They did, though. The Chai leaks specifically claimed that Eve was posing as Lilith, and the former employee went further to clarify that Eve and Lilith are twins, which was supposedly how Eve was able to pull off the switch in the first place.
>>155636940>More that Eve kicked Lilith out of her own lifeNo.
>>155637003What really confuses me is both the leaks posted on twitter and the one from the former worker (who was in Chai's server) say the same thing about Lilith being Rosie. That they ""think"" Lilith is Rosie. I assume it's the same person the zoophile is talking to.
>>155636989>>155637003I mean they don't switch places in that Lilith doesn't get put into Eve's role when Eve starts posing as her. She starts living as someone else entirely.
If Lilith and Eve swapped places then how the fuck does that work with Lute working with Lilith?
>>155637134The people who believe in the wife-swap theory don’t believe Lute is Eve, so the question is kinda combining two completely separate theories that aren’t meant to coexist.
>>155635698>farming sinners for energy>trap them in a matrix to neutralize them>the energy is relativately clean>revolutionize humanity via applying evil industry mindset towards hell>no one gives a damn except Charlie and Emily>if the truth is known then people will behave a lot better out of terror of getting loosh farm to power a lightbulb on a 3rd world shithole>hell becomes a battery for earth to farm>the villain could be a human mad genius with a pathological hatred towards evil people>villain develops hatred towards hell because blitzo killed someone he cared aboutif the show had more time and good writters, we could have had a feast.
>>155637357What would Adam be doing in this scenario?
>>155637443I guess exploring Hell and being ignored by everyone as they have a mad man to stop and can't be worrying about a dude chilling on some beach in envy.not even fallen, just some random angel showing up in envy and have a vacay there with lute while everyone else deals with whatever is happening.
>>155637514This ship kind of died off after season 2.
>>155637594Good. It's shit.
>>155637607Trvke
>>155637594Vox/Charlie took the place of Adam/Charlie for non-Charlastors looking to scratch the Charlie/male villain itch. That's also going to be a one season wonder, though.
>Zero leaks>Everyone is so desperate they're analyzing cast party drink menusThis sucks.
>>155637514the fanfics where they don't turn adam into a sensitive tortured soul with lengthy eloquent monologues about the evil in his dark heart are fine (as are all adam fics that don't do that, fuck eloquent adam), but not enough people lean into finding what circumstances would push charlie to cheat on vaggi with adam.also, as usual, charlie's weird mommy kink that adam just kinda rolls with.
>>155637704>not enough people lean into finding what circumstances would push charlie to cheat on vaggi with adam.Now I'm curious if any not Chaggie Charlie ship does that. As far as I've ever seen from ships like Charlastor it seems like they mostly don't address it at all. Which is understandable but the most boring option.
>>155637704They just sidestep that by not having Chaggie be a romantic thing, or even have Vaggie still be an exorcist.
>>155637514I remember this AU, they're in a punk band. Funny that the basic idea turned out to be canon but it's Adam and Lute who have the band.
>Tablet cannot power on.>I do not have my tools here to fix it.Guess I'm going traditional. Stay tuned.
Gentlemen.What if Charlie, but büb?
>>155637756>>155637815it really is the most boring option. there is so much juicy potential in charlie's feelings trying to justify or feeling guilty about the affair, then the moment vaggi discovers it... although actually in guitarprincess adam would probably just be like 'hey, you can sit on her face if you want jeez' and we get guitarchaggi.
Can't believe Adam has fucked all the Morningstars...
>>155638270>Here lies Adam>He ran fat, and died a virgin.
>>155638540>Here lies Adam.>He never scored.
>>155639259How would Lute react if Adam brought her a bunch of flowers unexpectedly?
>>155639304Eat them.
>>155639362What if they were poisonous and she vomited them back up on Adam's robe.
Looty: Alex Brightman might have meant Dreams by Barry White (aka without the 'Teenage' bit, he misspoke) https://genius.com/Barry-white-dreams-lyrics
>>155639519Got it, thanks!!!!!! I was SO FUCKING CONFUSED
>Commitment will survive, any day the music thrives>Only... if we believe in dreams-Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>Dreams were made for those who know>When you find it, don't let go>All my life I always knew>I'll find love in youHe was starting to figure it out
>>155639577>>155639609Continued. Think of this way, if this is Alex's take on what Adam's song might be, and if Adam is really relegated to appearances in Lute's head, then it almost sounds like this is about the spirit of Adam being kept alive by Lute and the songs she sings with him. If he only appears in flashbacks from here on out then the material Alex has access to must all be for Adam as seen by Lute. How very bittersweet.
Another possible culprit for this mysterious song???https://genius.com/T-rex-teenage-dream-lyrics
>>155639749This one goes heavy on the Heaven and Hell and angel imagery btw but I can't find a Barry White connection. Someone should ask Alex to clarify sometime.
What was Eden like from Adam's POV?
>>155640996tragic
>>155641431I like (hate) how Lilith and Eve legit look exactly the same here. Also why the fuck are all of them wearing clothes.
>>155641801Can't show nips. It's disrespectful.
vivziepoop took this away from me
>>155642614Ask her to give him back.
>>155641801wanna know a funny fact? for some reason, many fanarts of Eve resemble Lute lowkey or accidentally make their Eve look like Lute.that artist is no different.
>>155642698The people yearn for Lute!Eve.
>>155642698It's funny cuz some Holyblades fans also draw Abel and Lute looking very similar. Almost like they're related.
>>155642819but they hate that they do. the hostility this theory gets is hilarious and you know it comes from them seeing how plausible it actually could be.
>>155643211The hate will probably die down the moment it's canon and people will just have to accept reality. Once things settle down we'll get a ton of fanart and cool stuff with Lute/Eve. Looking forward to whatever fanfics people cook up.
>>155643225I'm looking forward to more art of her looking strange and mysterious like we get with Adam
>>155643210Because they do look similar. If she was blonde I don't think anyone would question that's her son with Adam.Speaking of, it's interesting that Eve's one unique physical trait we can distinguish from the storybook, the bangs, are shared with Lute.
>>155640996who did this retarded font format??? they need to kill themselves asap
>>155643297Anon just ran it through Google translate before posting. It'll be in moonrunes originally
>>155643256It will be hilarious if Hazbin accidentally creates a massive surge of art where Adam and Eve look strange and almost monstrous. Making the OG humans vaguely eldritch is always fun.
>>155643363By our standards they are eldritch, doubly so since Hazbin's plot has them kill their own descendants
>>155643372I'm betting the moment it's revealed that Lute is Eve and that she was onboard for exterminations (it literally might be her brainchild) some people are gonna change their tune. It's bad if only Adam is doing it but if Eve is also there and she's killing her descendants then it's all ok and somehow justifiable.
>>155643381nah i think they'll steal from the adam wankers and be all 'well deep down she's actually TORMENTED by what she has to do to sinners! it makes her SO SAD that she's being forced to do this!' and any evidence to the contrary will be explained away as denial/projection.
>>155643421Only way I'd accept that is if she was Eve, and learning this causes her to snap. She's killing her own children.
>>155643450She already knows what she's doing.
>>155643450why would this torment only exist within eve and not adam?
We got any good Demon Adam pics?
>>155643470
Adam/Abel parallels:>"Let me stop you right there" Hell is Forever 0:28 & Hear My Hope 2:34>S1 E8: putting a woman in her place (bad)>S2 E8: putting a woman in her place (good)Any more of these? Not obvious stuff like their appearances and both being head of the Exorcists
>>155643304Nigga im talking about how the retard decided to format everything side ways, not that its been translated. Obviously, its not originally English.
>>155643497Such a GREAT ironic couple. Demon hater married to Demon.
>>155643613singing while fat and hot.
Imagine Lute as Demon Adam’s willing and eager Broodmare, the hybrid vigor making her belly enormously pregnant.
>>155643732And destined to get FATTER.
>>155643832Producing a new race that will conquer Hell and Heaven.
>>155643628Google Translate puts the words sideways you retard. They didn't manually copy and paste the translation. It puts it right on the picture.
>>155643832Impregnation by Adam causes intense pregnancy cravings.
>>155644175She becomes as obese and gluttonous as her demon husband.
>>155643468Cause Adam has had centuries to lose all hope. For Lute, realizing she was human, that she once had a family - THE biggest family ever - and that she's been murdering to death, that might cause a break.
>>155644246But she already knows she's Eve, her memory wasn't wiped, she just took on a new identity.
>>155644230Impossible to get as big as him but she has to keep his brood fed somehow. Those pregnancy hormones are crazy powerful.
>>155644286Her butt and hips define her bulk, while belly defines Adam. She becomes quite the pig.
>>155644371A machine for pigs?
>>155644371their tits are about the same though (bigger than vaggi's).
>>155643256Does anyone have the rest of this image set?
>>155643256this is how adam feels after being told they've ran out of ribs at the bbq place he likes.
>>155644522How the minimum wage imp worker feels when Adam and his pregnant wife roll up at Hell McDonalds.
>>155644538'alright which one's not gonna ask for no pickles this week?'
>>155644422 Adam’s moobs are legendary.
>Hazbin threads: The Fattening.>Helluva Threads: The Self-Inserting.What's next?
>>155644579Hazbin Threads: The Search For More Obesity.
Demon Adam can not only sense Lute ovulating but his pheromones can cause additional ovulation.
>>155644635lute tracks adam by the ferocity of her menstrual cramps.
>>155644635>Charlie: To defeat the villainess we give her what she's always wanted!>Vaggie: What's that?>Charlie: A loving husband and a family!>Charlie bursts into song.
>>155644657That would be the first time in her existence where Charlie actually has a good idea.
Hey how do you think Charlie would react if she met Aldia, Scholar of the First Sin?
>>155644579We should team with the TADC and Homestuck threads and become a quartet of autism.
>>155644697NOOOO
>>155644684She wouldn't understand jack and shit because she's an idiot. Aldia would probably give her some actual good advice which she would ignore because she has the brain capacity of a house plant.
Last night I had a vivid dream that Hazbin Hotel had a collaboration with Garfield and was selling jerseys and plush toys of Garfield dressed as Hazbin characters including Adam and Lute. They were being sold in pop up stores in malls everywhere and I managed to get a jumbo plush Garfield Adam and Lute. God I wish that was real
>>155644246What kind of ass take is this? She already knows. That's the fucking point. "But m-muh children." Nigga shut the fuck up
>>155643421Lute fans already do that so yes.
>>155644912But her being Eve will result in her getting an even bigger pass. Like it's literally a goldmine of deniability.
If Lute really is Eve, we're going to get a wave of people unironically calling Adam and Eve incestuous, inherently abusive and severe power dynamics. The grooming allegations will get even worse, and the Adam/Lute haters and Lute larpers will say that she is in denial, that she doesn't know or realize what she's doing, that she's not actually bloodthirsty etc. So, you know. Just get ready for that.
>>155644958Eh I already expect that but here's the thing. You already have that for current Flowertunes. This shit is already present. Yeah it will get more loud but the fuckers are already here.
>>155645003Oh absolutely, I see it too, I just mean it's going to get even worse and even louder.
>>155644887It also fails to grasp the main takeaway of Eve/Lute. She's culling the sinners. The undesirables. The losers. The physical manifestation of her mistake. She'd probably be shaken up if she was forced to kill winners (those that in her eyes are worthy so they do not receive her hate) but that's not her job. In her eyes she's literally just cleaning her mess. Taking out the trash she let accumulate after so much time.
>>155645010On the bright side so will their opposition. People that will like Lute/Eve X Adam won't take it lying down.
>>155644650Breeding radar.
>>155645048Impressive
>>155644958I mean, she's positioning herself as submissive to and lesser than him and built her entire world around him and if Eve, doesn't feel she can tell him who she really is. While not abusive it's inherently kind of fucked on her end. They wouldn't be pulling that interpretation out of nowhere.Though they'd be wrong in that I highly doubt Adam made her bloodthirsty, she came into that honestly.
>>155638540>gotcha F A G G I T
>>155645072I agree up to a certain point, but it's not to the extreme that people are making out out to be either. It's like when people pull the "Stella is a rapist!" shit. Like, yeah, what she said COULD, if you squint and turn your head sideways, be taken as her having forced Stolas into submission while they were in bed, but that's clearly not what was being conveyed.
>>155645072Lute and Lucifer parallels...
>>155645119Not you again. No, there's no fucking Lucifer and Lute parallels. For fuck's sake
>>155644958The incestuous thing is so dumb. She was made out of his rib by angels, it has nothing to do with real world incest scenarios
>>155645115Yeah, people will definitely try to argue that Adam did that to her and groomed poor Lute into being the way she is and butcher her character because god forbid the show have a female character they don't try to soften or justify.
>>155645058She’s three times her original weight (Adam is 5.5).
>>155645137I was half joking because that sounds similar to what Lucifer is like toward Lilith.
random thought but re adam and eve i'm surprised there's not more 'omg eve was everything good in adam taken out of him and that's why he's an asshole!' shit.
>>155644650>>155645048Why do you think schizo Adam told her she was menstruating? Because the real thing could track her whole cycle by scent alone. He knew exactly when she was ovulating and when her period was due and he always had tampons and chocolate ready (she took the chocolate, but not the tampons).
>>155645232I've actually thought about that, but I really like the reverse: she's all the bad in him. He's actually pretty tame compared to how he used to be.
>>155645253That's because women bad.
>>155645243adam being hyperwoke in action but hyperchud in speech will never not be funny. he WILL mansplain diva cups and he WILL yell at your doctor for not taking your stupid crampy cunt disease seriously.
>>155645315The man knows his way around the female body in the way some men know their way around cars. And he knows exactly what to put in the tank to keep em purring.
>>155645315>>155645338Actually genius
Ironically Adam’s daughters are as profane and fat as he is
https://x.com/v0r4c1ty/status/1799683337499631652
>>155645411We haven't seen any so far. I do assume there are some that take after their father and others which take after their mother.
After her first breeding Lute got a demonic uterus
>>155645603And what does a demonic uterus do?
>>155645619it has little pokey horns on the cervix so you gotta be careful.
>>155645689Why?
Demonic uterus = infernal PMS, be careful
>>155645619Produce hybrids
>>155645953How many can she carry at a time?
>>155645822Stop Angel sex
>>155646022Don't think there was any risk of her fucking anyone but Adam in the first place.
He'd look great with a tail.
>>155646154
>>155646168
>>155646135Precaution of the demon uterus
>>155646184
>>155646154>>155646168>>155646184>>155646200It actually looks pretty good. It also raises the interesting concept of how human he looks under his robes. His face is human but what if he's covered in scales underneath or has other inhuman features.
>Vaaaaggie, looks like we've got a new guest!>WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT?
Adam's so fucking hot. It's like they designed him in a lab to be hot.
>>155645910a giant squishmallow of a man would be a pretty nice all over heating pad. >>155645938'lute this is kinda weirding me out''safeword out or shut the fuck up'>>155646342dragon adam's fun but surprisingly rare given the pilot art of the guy who'd become adam floating around. >>155646947TRUE
Fattest pic of Adam?
>>155646342honestly, if hazbin hotel had 16 episodes per season instead of 8, we could legit have gotten adam transforming like cooler in his movie.a kind of feathered dragon or something like that to symbolize that other than lucifer, no one in hell had a chance against adam's true power.
>>155647116This isn't Google, Lute
>>155647116
>>155647172Fucking kek
How does he produce all of that 'Adam's white drink' for the maid cafe...
>>155647256How did he convince Charlie, Vaggie, Niffty, and Angel Dust to work there?
>>155647280By offering them a taste of the white drink of course.
>>155647310I want to use Niffty as a {REDACTED}
>>155647365Ok?
>>155647438once again the people who think lute secretly hated or had to be groomed into 'liking' adam are boring as shit because her genuinely being into him is so much more fun.
>>155647606Adam is... an acquired taste. I can see why a lot of people don't like or care about the guy, and he's written to be unpleasant and sexist, that's the point. So people can't really fathom that a strong and capable woman would genuinely be into this guy like that. It's easier to think that she was forced into it. And I will say, I'm surprised by that direction because knowing Viv, I could 100% her having set up the narrative so that this was the case, it would have been so easy for him to talk shit about his former wives or something, that's where I thought he was going on the whole equality thing and stuff. But he doesn't, so I feel like that "evil man" agenda is out
>>155647639I know for a fact there's a bunch of strong and capable women who are into him in this very thread!
>>155647748Which, to some, seems very very sad. I can understand that line of thinking. Adam is... Yeah.
>>155644096Oh, so they are just a lazy moron and couldn't be bothered to actually fix it afterwards
>>155647873A woman who knows exactly what she wants and pursues it like a lioness is a woman fulfilled
>>155647912Says the guy who posted a reaction image with an ifunny watermark?
>>155647943and how are those even remotely the same? I happen to like ifunny.
>>155647978Okay that made me laugh
>>155647925i wanna touch those toe beans so bad
Lute’s demon uterus acts as a lock/key system. Converted to making hybrids, it keeps out unwanted entry. It is also quite fertile, ovulating constantly. The rest of Lute remains Angel to conceal her new reproductive system.
>>155648220God can you even imagine ovulating constantly
>>155647438I've done this, it's hot.
>>155648324Extremely based. Tell us more.
>>155648245i think i'd get a hysterectomy and resort to the edgy adam special if denied. when i ovulate i get nightmare shits.
>>155648245Lute is constantly craving Adam. Her new womb calls to her demon husband. Sure the two of them binge a ton but breeding is a strong urge
>>155648403Demonic ovulation is highly pleasurable so Angels do not try to cure their demonized wombs.
>>155648530Ok. We're definitely getting into the realm of hyperspecific fetish now but so long as they're banging, go nuts.
What if Emily and Charlie were hit with this ovulation domination?
>>155648699They’d have intense cravings for Adam’s concrete breaker.
>>155648699everyone gets pregnant including adam.
>>155648699Charlie doesn't have a proper functioning reproductive system.
>>155648728And obese from the appetite boost.
>>155648733Adam’s corruptive insemnation fixes it.
>>155648733Adam can make women fertile though repeater exposure, it's the sheer power of the First Man.
>>155648844Demon Adam is even more so. Angels, demons, mortals….he’ll happily breed them all.
>>155648844>>155649064you think he won't be both Angel and Demon?
>>155649108He’s got his Angel personality and memories.
>>155649108>LucemonLeave him to me.
Any new findings Looty?
Abel moonlights as “the hottest demon in Hell” to vent his issues. His band is called “Castout Boy.” And all demons lust for the band. They know he is straight but that doesn’t stop them from looking at his visage with the lights off (including Blitzo)
>>155649217Abel is annoyed he keeps getting confused with Patrick Stump.
>>155649217Abel sincerely believes he has no male superfans and gets anxious when shown evidence to the contrary
>>155649064He better look awesome. It'd suck if we got a canon design and it was lame.
>>155649186Not today. Friends. My next goal is that season 2 Blu-ray commentary. Problem is, like most people that commented here last time, I don't have the specialized equipment. For some reason I thought it was just a regular DVD set. On top of that, I completely forgot, neither my PC or laptop have a DVD/disc slot. I really don't want to pay an upwards of $60 for a Blu-Ray disc reader I will only use once. I'll legit pay for someone to rip the audio btw. Other than that... Unless Jessica does another stream, there's nothing right now. She's not even doing cons anymore this year. Sadly.
>>155649426I don't think it'll take long for it to hit the internet. Don't worry about it too much. If you just want to watch it for yourself as soon as it comes out a PS3, PS4 or PS5 will all do the trick if you have one or know someone who has one. They can all play blu-ray discs. Unfortunately no way to rip it off the disc from a Playstation as the operating system is too locked down.
>>155649331Oh straight Abel gets swarms of horny screaming gay demon fans. They swoon and gasp in his “demonic” presence.
>>155649635Even Blitzo lusts for him though he denies it fiercely.
>>155649525I may just be trashy and record the audio with my phone if I get it to play on a PS lol
>>155649635He might be persuaded to sleep with a very feminine femboy so long as he got to be the giver. I don't know if he'd try it a second time though. He's a nice guy so he'd feel guilty about it and try to let then down gently. He'd cook breakfast in the morning.
Could Charlie redeem Emberlynn?
>Charlie-Chan!>Vaggie-Chan!>Sooo kawaii->Then she learns Niffty is Japanese.>Niffty does NOT care for her.
>>155649770Fembois love “Imp” Abel. Each hopes to sleep with him.
Rumors do exist that Castout Boy is actually an Angel in disguise but it just makes him forbidden fruit to his lusting fans.
Vivzie is liking some real bangers on her bluesky lately
>>155650547He is only going to get fatter.
>>155650547he looks like he's been drugged, someone save him.
>>155650626>no drugs>just food coma
>>155650302Really?
Gentlemen.Sera.
>>155650626He's sleepy. If you've never handled a man first thing in the morning they're exactly like that
>>155650726eepy...
>>155650726Cute
>>155650717Sera is destined to become a bi Broodmare for demon Adam.
>>155650895I guess she's fulfilling some Freudian need.
>>155650661Adam regularly eats himself into unconsciousness.
>>155650895What's it like making a contract with demon Adam?
>>155650911It’s maternal just like her lesbian lover. Both of them end up with secret demon uteruses. Hybrids stealth-birthed in heaven.
>>155650938Reasonable. All he wants is company, sex, breeding and FOOD.
I'm in that weird part of /co/ again.
>>155651034We're like this every day.
Please explain the obese demon Adam and demonic uterus thing to me
>>155651034Yes. So all “compromised” Angels secretly birth in hidden places in heaven.
When you get caught out in those sudden rain showers that finish almost as soon as they start that was just Sera's waters breaking in Heaven.
>>155651176If an Angel has sex with a demon, the exposure corrupts their reproductive system. This allows them to birth hybrids in secret and safely even in Heaven.
>>155651234Sera is incredibly fertile. She can barely move with her big belly.
>>155651234horrific mental image
>>155651264Oh and their breasts get enormous.
>>155651264this is real Vivziepop said this is real in an interview
>>155651376Maybe. Demon Adam breeds all the Exorcists. But only Lute is his Mate.
>>155651419Only Lute gets to use the Gromit mug
>>155651419only lute gets to breed adam.
>>155651453Demonic uterus Adam
>>155651462his duderus...
>>155651475*slaps his belly* this bad boy can fit so many hybrids inside him
>>155651462Male demons can be impregnated.
>>155651501Can they lactate too? You have me on the edge of my seat.
>>155651506Big round and milk bloated.
>>155651527waow based
>>155651567Adam revels in it, especially the appetite boost.
Adam, the First Man.>Plin plin plon
>>155652041>Why is everything fucking sideways when it doesn't show it as such on my end Bah.
Just had to tell someone this funfact, but if I remember well the only explicit nsfw Viv has liked on blue sky has been of Alastor and Husk fucking, she liked two comics of the same artist
What if Past Adam met Demon Adam?
Twitter was having a slight meltdown earlier about Viv saying that Lute is a sleeper villain, something about how she can't stop spoiling her own show. .... She also said this November of last year, so.
Adam is an asshole but the sort of asshole it would be fun to let breed you on the down low
>>155634679insists upon itself
Sera is such a cute Broodmare. She’s embarrassed but already addicted to birthing, binges, and breeding.
>>155649426Shit, that reminds me that I need to track down a LG BU40N bluray drive for work to rip bluray disks. They're hella expensive though, and regarding Hazbin specifically, would it even be 4K?
>>155655300For work? Shouldn't they supply that for you?
>>155655314They will when I find one. While they control the purse, I get to decide the tooling, though they would be loathe to spend a lot of money (unless they can get a client to pay for it like we did with a miniDV cam, lmao) on something that we don't encounter enough to justify the spend for digitization. I mean FFS I've yet to digitize a betamax tape despite doing heaps of DVDs, VHSs, and miniDVs, for example.Regardless, I do have a bluray player that I used to digitize my friend's copy of Smiling Friends, and that turned out fine, so I presume that the Hazbin blurays are also not UHD.
>>155653142Yup. It's basically a pattern at this point.
>>155655337Wait, so are you able to digitize the Season Two commentary for Hazbin? I'll legit pay you money.
>>155655357Only if the disks are non-UHD. I don't have the specific (somewhat hard to get) bluray player needed to decode and digitize a UHD disk...or at least not yet.
>>155655394>disks are non-UHDThe season 1 set appears to be standard Blu-ray discs, not UHD/4K UHD Blu-rays. The back of the case specifically says “1080p HIGH DEFINITION” and has the regular Blu-ray Disc logo. The discs themselves also say “Blu-ray Disc.” https://hazbinhotel.com/products/season-one-blu-ray-with-promo-card-pr-20I assume it'll be the same for the season 2 set? I guess we'll see the description tomorrow when it drops.
>>155655404Hopefully, because if they're regular HD blurays it's nigh effortless for me to digitise them. DESU I'd be doing so anyway because for some reason all the torrent versions had unbalanced audio for episode 6 of the 2nd season.
>>155653142Bruh how can they be freaking out over something that's been public knowledge for this long. Are they stupid.
>>155655660because they don't pay attention to what's in front of them. we know this.
What sparked Fat Adam? Him being told he really let himself go?
>>155655701Unironically because the storyboarder who got the Adam vs Alastor fight scene is a furry fatfag vore artist and wasn't told what bodytype Adam should be under the robe so they decided to make him fat. It stuck for season 2.
>>155650717Is great.
>>155655660>>155655694This is gonna be so funny come S3.>"What?!!??! The Exorcist which Viv was hyping up and laying hints she's not actually an exorcist is actually Eve?!?!>And she's gonna be a main villain?!??"
>>155655803While somewhat skeptical of the "Lute = Eve" theory myself, I can absolutely see it happening and wouldn't be shocked in the slightest if it did. Like with the Rosie owning Alastor's soul thing, it's more the "how" that I'll find surprising or revelatory than the "what."
I'm the autistic weirdo and if I want to write about Charlie meeting Aldia than I will.
>>155655859We're all autistic weirdos here.
>>155655721and we love and cherish them for it.
>>155655859Do you play DS2?
>>155655721He also is mobile and powerful as a fatty (probably “endowed” too).
>>155655937He's got that Bowser build
>>155655937i mean if you take the end of his belt on that recent BFF merch as symbolic (like look at the placement and shape, move it into position and it's a cock), it's pretty huge, especially in proportion to his body.
Super Crown Adam...
>>155655993honestly adam just has to let his hair grow out and he'd look like this so easily.
>>155655976His belly is huge so he must be huge elsewhere to compensate for the gut being in the way.
I'll laugh my ass off if it's revealed that Adam has a small or even normal-sized dick.
>>155656115His big dick is probably legit considering how much of a man whore he is. Many have seen it
>>155656127adam strikes me as a 'the sex is great but the personality...' type. imo it lends more meaning to his character that his real obstacle to finding love was never his body, skinny twink OR chunky dadbod, or general appearance, but his shitty attitude.
>>155656376It could be the hottest sex of my life but no cuddles afterwards and we're done. Adam's aftercare sucks and there's no emotion in his hookup sex, that's why he can't keep a woman
>>155656011Pretty sure he'd look pretty good with long hair.
>>155656376>>155656429Could be possible. I do see him as the type that doesn't really commit and that puts people off.
>>155656429see i could see him as that but at the same time i could also see him as like unfathomably clingy and needy, desperately seeking validation that he was good enough but also never really believing you.
>>155655903Does the windmill burn in Harvest Valley, and do the Lion Mages shit in the woods?
>>155656456His heart's not in it. He misses Eve and he's getting his emotional needs met by Lute, he doesn't realise those things are connected but give the man time. There isn't much space in his world for another woman.
Demon Adam knows the “demon” Castout Boy is actually his son Abel in heavy disguise but he doesn’t out him.
Come to think of it what if Adam actually did make a move on Lute at some point but she came up with an excuse and turned him down for some retarded self loathing reason?
>>155656629Maybe he actually said to her she reminded him of his wife Eve and she proceeded to shit her pants and he then backed off.
>>155656629>>155656657>lute: i remind you of that worthless, pathetic failure who doomed mankind and got us into this mess in the first place? i'll have to work harder. and that's the first time adam ever got genuinely angry with lute, and the first time eve realised adam never thought of her as any of those things.
>>155656726Ouch my heart
>>155656726Honestly I'm more thinking:>Lute: Don't ever compare me to that failure.It's cold and it has the effect of making Adam feel bad. He should know not to compare women from Eve(she had issues regarding Lilith) so he's more willing the let things pass because he knows he fucked up.
>>155656841yeah but mine feeds into lute's inferiority complex more. she's spent all this time assuming that of course adam thinks poorly of eve deep down, he was just too kind to say anything while they were human, and then to be given unequivocal proof otherwise, to be defended by him even when from his perspective eve is gone forever... >how could i ever doubt him? i really am the worst.
>>155656954Lute/Eve is such a dumb bitch (affectionate)
>>155657007while lute is moping adam does that thing cats do where they see you curled up in a misery ball and go 'neat, comfy seat and petting services' and shove themselves into your lap. and you're still kinda miserable but you got a happy cat on you so right now it's better, and she's got a happy adam so she's better.
>>155656954I was going more for the Lute/Eve regret angle. She had an opportunity to tell him the truth here. Maybe he'd just ignore it and say she was just bullshiting him. Maybe he'd believe it and be confused, angry or sad with her and reject her because of that. Maybe he'd actually embrace her and show her he still loved her after all this time. It plays with the ambiguity of Adam's true reaction and Lute/Eve's lack of closure regarding Adam's feeling. He's dead. She'll never truly know. She had this opportunity and she squandered it. In the end she'll never truly know and all she has are her own thoughts and opinions(hallucination Adam ). She won't ever have that closure and if she could turn back time to this exact moment she'd do it just to know regardless if he loves her, hates her or simply doesn't care.
Demon Adam is nicer and more romantic, just incredibly promiscuous due to his demon urges.
Adam vs Fume Knight
>>155657124I'd have thought he'd be even worse because he's a demon and doesn't have to behave for Sera anymore.
>>155634679This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS and HOMERSEXUALS
>>155657467Maybe he’s just nice towards Lute.
>>155657756He's sweet to Lute especially if we're assuming they're in a real relationship now.
>>155655828I'm not really buying the skeptics anymore. Jessica vasque already confirmed it indirectly twice, the characters past is being purposefully withheld, there's underlying feminist themes and her whole Arc, which is actually not something I'm pulling out of my ass, it's in her audition sheet and Viv comments on it in the Blu-ray commentary.... Not believing it is kind of stupid at this point. If you're still scratching your head and chin at that, and going "hmmmmm" , not sure what more can be said to you at that point. It's not even something one has to like, it's as obvious as Charlie having a connection to Roo or Rosie having a connection to the morning stars. It's right there in your face
>>155656115I straight up think he's lying about fucking around. He's a washed up loser. It's kind of the whole thing with being a rockstar. There's also no evidence of his groupies or anything, and nobody cares that he's dead. I thought it was supposed to be a contrast to Lilith and how much she's loved in hell. Nobody seems to have liked Adam in heaven.
>>155658080It's been some time after his death. People move on. He could have had superficial relationships with other. That's stuff is relevant a couple of days after his death and that's it. People go back to living their lives.
>>155658066Maybe the new Blu-ray stuff will have more hints to add to the pile. Or at least fully remove Rosie from the equation so Rosie=Eve dies. She does have some scenes in S2 so Viv and her crew might let some stuff slip.
>>155658066I remember thinking those old leaks where Eve wants to ruin Lucifer's family relationships was fucking retarded because at the time I drank the Eve/Roo kool aid and it seemed like such a dumb thing for a powerful Hell goddess to want. Lute!Eve though, I can totally see her wanting that. She actually basically already declared that she wants to do that. I think a bunch of that old shit was real just changed as the writers' room developed the concept. Wifeswap must have turned into Lute working with Lilith.
>>155658150I don't know what that has to do with my initial comment.
>>155658204>Lute: I want you to ruin your relationship with your husband and daughter or I will kick you out of Heaven and destroy everything you love.>Lilith: Bitch you had me at "ruin your relationship". I'm in.
>>155658234If people gave a shit they would do it for a couple of days after his death and that's it. Whatever following he built would disappear quickly because it's just superficial. Like all celebrity bullshit in real life. Once that person stops doing something they're forgotten.
Demon Adam “defeated” Sera (and her GF) with his raw sexual allure. They’re both Broodmares now.
>>155658315Write a fanfic
>>155658285Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with my initial comment. I'm talking about what is shown in the story. The guy brags about fucking all these girls... Where are they? We don't see them, we don't see any posters of his concerts, we don't hear anyone talking good about him, and nobody mourns him. In the play bill. He was voted "biggest dick" which has a double meaning: evidently, he was not liked in heaven. That's why I think he's lying out of his ass.
>>155658432
>>155658432Abel is the actual celeb and he’s only famous in Hell.
The season 2 blu ray has released, I guess we'll hear commentary stuff soon
Why do they make Hazbin Hotel trading cards when there's no game to play with them anyway?
>>155659069You mean like the Star Wars Customizable Card Game?
>>155659069So people can collect them and the special edition and rare ones become stupid levels of valuable.
>>155659037Yup. Curious what interesting tid bits we'll get.
>>155655828I'm still not 100% there. Some of the points that come up still work for wifeswap. Rosie and why she is talked about the way she is and has the power she has and is so invested in the Morningstars is as much of a question mark and built up mystery as Lute, if not more, and the imagery around Lilith in cards and in-show portraits is and has consistently been questionable. I can still see it landing either way.Even Lute Eve people can't deny it and many land on that story once being an earlier plan that was changed.
>>155659255>Even Lute Eve people can't deny it and many land on that story once being an earlier plan that was changed.I think this is fair considering that at the time of those leaks Adam as we know him didn't even exist. As Adam's role changed so too would Eve's.
>>155659284cont. we can also safely assume the character of Lute as we know her also didn't exist at this time; she wasn't merged into this plot she was straight up created for it as this plot developed under supervision from teams from A24. Supposedly the wifeswap leaks come from an ex Helluva Boss animator in the context of Viv blabbing her early ideas to some of the Helluva Boss team, this person would not have worked on any material that included these plot points because they're obviously on the wrong show.
>>155659255This is absolutely true. Nobody is denying there’s a mystery surrounding Rosie, because there very clearly is. The difference is that Rosie’s mystery has been handled much more straightforwardly: the setup is there, and we’re explicitly told there’s something there to be explored. With Lute, the setup is there, but her actual backstory is treated like classified information. We keep being told that there’s more to her, that her past matters, that she’s a slow burn, etc., but when anyone gets anywhere near the specifics of what that past actually is, suddenly nobody can say shit.Lute also has the advantage (or disadvantage, depending on Viv’s perspective) of having Jessica Vosk as her resident blabbermouth. Jessica has already directly entertained the Lute/Eve theory twice over the span of two years, on top of repeatedly indicating that she knows things about Lute that she cannot divulge. With Rosie, as far back as I’ve been able to look, I haven’t found Rosie’s VA, Viv, or anyone else involved with the show specifically entertaining or suggesting an identity swap involving Rosie. We have a much clearer idea of what category of mystery Rosie occupies, whereas Lute’s background itself is the thing they refuse to touch. If Lute actually is Eve, that would explain why Viv in particular can’t exactly start discussing her history without immediately stepping on the reveal.The one thing that does make me hesitate with Rosie/Lilith is the old development information. Both the former employee who left in 2021 and the old Chai leaks (assuming those are actually two separate sources and not the same person since the second was in Chai's server) frame Rosie being Lilith with language like “I think.”. What do you mean you think? If this was a concrete plot point they had direct knowledge of, why is the recollection itself uncertain?
>>155659465Then you have Viv referring to Lilith as Lilith on Patreon around two years ago, what the actual series has subsequently established, and even the existence of Rosie’s prototype character, Hilda. This makes me much less comfortable treating an uncertain recollection of a pre-2021 version of the story as though it were a clean, current spoiler.I do want to add that my personal theory, if there is some kind of switch (which I’m not completely closed off to) is that it involves Lilith and Evil/Roo rather than Lilith and Eve. I can be a stubborn fucking mule sometimes, and I’ve been adamant that the Lilith silhouette isn’t the Eve silhouette, but I’d also be stupid to deny that there is a resemblance. My hang-up is that the same hairstyle appears in pilot-era artwork of Lilith where she also has Roo’s eyes, which makes me much more inclined to suspect that, if we’re looking at an identity switch at all, Lilith/Evil is the more plausible direction. That would also leave the door open for Rosie potentially being the real Lilith: Evil/Roo could have been the “Lilith” who effectively raised Charlie and possibly even the one who gave birth to her.There’s at least some older development material suggesting this, particularly the account from a pilot-era employee claiming Charlie’s birth wasn’t supposed to happen and that the circumstances surrounding it were connected to Evil. Conveniently, none of this requires Eve to be folded into the Lilith/Rosie situation at all. Rosie could potentially be Lilith, Roo could be the Lilith we’ve seen in the flashback and card, and Lute could still be the actual Eve. That’s the version of a “switch” theory I could buy.Okay. Schizo rant over.
I don't think people realize how little overlap there is between Hazbin staff and Helluva staff besides the bigwigs at the top.... the wifeswap leaker was very specifically Helluva staff. They'd be able to leak Bee's appearance with accuracy because they would have had Helluva production material during the window that they worked there. They never had access to Hazbin production material; all their Hazbin information allegedly seems to come from a single conversation with loose lips Viv spitballing some ideas she wanted to do in Hazbin very very early in its production cycle.
>>155659354My theory is that yes, Viv probably did initially pitch or intend to do the convoluted twin/wife-swap storyline, and that may very well have been the version of the story the old leaks were describing. Then, somewhere during the transition into the actual series, whether because of A24 feedback or simply Viv revising the story herself, the core ideas remained while the mechanics surrounding them changed. I actually have a strong suspicion that the whole twin-theory joke in Helluva Boss, where Moxxie starts explaining an absurdly convoluted twin scenario, was Viv poking fun at herself. I wouldn’t be surprised if what we’re seeing now are remnants of an older concept that was substantially reworked, including Rosie’s original role. Rosie is Jewish-coded while Lilith originates in Jewish folklore; Rosie’s powers were purple in the leaked storyboards, while purple is a major component of Lilith’s palette; Rosie’s audition material describes her as surpassingly motherly toward Charlie, which almost positions her in contrast with the mother Charlie actually has. If Rosie were secretly the real Lilith, there’s an obvious rug-pull there: the audience has already been encouraged to like and trust this woman who treats Charlie warmly while Lilith Is painted and confirmed in a bad light, only to discover that she was Charlie’s mother all along.I strongly suspect Eve was developed specifically for Hazbin as the Eden material became more central to the actual series. So if Viv originally had a rough Eve concept attached to this elaborate twin-switch storyline, Eve would have been comparatively easy to completely rework when the story changed. That’s ultimately where Lute comes in for me. I’m not suggesting that Viv had an already-developed Lute character & then later overlaid Eve onto her. I mean something much more fundamental: Lute could literally be the result of Eve being reworked during the development of the series.
>>155659612That would also explain why trying to reconstruct current canon exclusively from pre-2021 information produces so many increasingly convoluted explanations: we may be trying to solve a version of the story that doesn’t exist anymore.
>>155659616Trying to fit wifeswap in is genuinely like trying to fit Alastor's Zoophobia backstory into current day Hazbin Hotel: it doesn't make sense. Perhaps it was official Vivzie material at one point but it's not the story they're telling any more. Plugging Zoophobia again. I like Zoophobia.
>>155659596Yeah, and that’s the part of the Chai leaks that I think gets completely flattened whenever they’re repeated online. Chai presented the source as highly secure and tied them to the same person who had information about Kesha voicing Bee and Bee’s design. But accurate Helluva information does not automatically establish equal access to Hazbin’s production. I had a friend in the server with Chai and that entire mess, there were several employees present. The person discussing the Eve/Lilith material had left by 2021 and, from what I was able to dig up, was a background artist. Both the circulated leaks and the conversations in that server described Viv as talking pretty openly about story ideas during calls, even apparently divulging future story material to the Helluva crew.That would also explain something that has bothered me: how strangely incomplete their knowledge actually was. They could apparently tell you this enormous twist that Eve and Lilith were identical twins, yet when it came to equally enormous details like how Rosie is supposedly Lilith, suddenly it became “somehow,” “I think,” or “I don’t remember.” Roo was apparently involved somehow. How do you know Eve and Lilith are identical twins but not know how the fuck Rosie being Lilith actually works? That makes considerably more sense to me if this person heard Viv spitballing an early version of the story, retained the broad strokes, and later reconstructed what they could remember. They weren’t a writer, they’d left by 2021, and by their own admission it had been forever since they’d received any updates. That screams early-development information, assuming the information was accurate in the first place.
>>155659714something I almost NEVER see brought up is how bizarrely selective the supposed Hazbin knowledge is. Where is everybody else’s story? What happens to Charlie outside these specific Eve/Lilith beats? What happens with Angel and Husk? Alastor? Vaggie? The Hotel? Where are all the other major arcs and resolutions you would expect someone with meaningful access to the overarching Hazbin storyline to know? Instead, what survives is this oddly concentrated collection of Eden-family ideas, some broad endgame concepts, and fragments whose connective tissue the source themselves apparently couldn’t explain.That sounds much more like somebody heard Viv talking about ideas she was considering very early on, got the general gist, and then left before the series had finished becoming what it is now. So even if every word they remembered was genuine, that still doesn’t establish that those ideas survived development.
just discovered that one author that had the bitchfit about their guitarprincess fic getting roasted by other adam fans and abandoned it and was doing a show rewrite/redesign is getting cancelled on twitter lolhttps://x.com/Starrlenade/status/2104656802616950828
>>155659738Lmaooooooo
>>155659738>one of the things they're being cancelled for is replacing Lute with Eve, making Eve black then giving her Lute's traits of not bathing and being a stinky bitchFucking lol
>>155659793Okay they were just begging to be called out
>>155659793But Eve's a stinky bitch that doesn't bathe.
>>155659810Not just anyone can have a licence to stink yknow
>>155659793Okay the irony of "replacing" Lute with Eve though. Who's going to tell them
>>155659714Nta But I was in that server for a bit. I don't give a fuck. The one who said all that shit was Erin Frost. Someone posted screenshots of what she said on the farms, whoever wants to scroll back. I think it was last week or so. That bitch was fired or some shit I think, she left in... April of 2021 or something
Seriously though it's like everyone wants Lute to be Eve. They just don't want LUTE to be Eve.
>>155659855Isn't it a trip? They go on to describe what they want Eve's arc to be, and they are actually laying out Lute's arc as it's happening in real time. Legit that is what's happening.
>>155659835It's gonna be so fucking funny. Especially since post reveal I expect of lot of criticism for the Lute being secretly Eve plotline being " Why not just have her be Eve without any secret identity bullshit? Why did we need "Lute" when we could have just had Eve from the start?"
>>155659793Does their black Eve kinda look like Negress Lute though?
>>155659793wait until you meet their black OC klyde k klansman, who died from suicide and at one point was drawn with a monkey tail.
>>155659872well see, they don't like lute, or adam, and they especially don't like that she likes adam. i'm not going to elaborate on anything else because ultimately that's what it boils down to.
>>155659899That actually sounds pretty peak. Does he listen to Kanye?
>>155659916This particular person loves Adam and ships Adam x Charlie, they just don't like Lute.
>>155659942>they just don't like LuteWhy? She's just so lovable.
>>155659942Not a lot of people do. I may be self projecting admittedly but.... People don't like the idea of an angry midget who's a bitter ass cunt being the mother of humanity, who is usually portrayed as almost a god-like figure. That's what they want. They want her to be a seductive femme fatale. Lute ain't that to the normies
>>155659954Some people have terrible taste. It's the way things are.
>>155659942oh sorry i thought you were speaking about the general resistance to lute=eve, not this person in particular. odd of them to buck the trend, it's usually lute larpers i see hating on the theory.
>>155659962They'll come around when it happens. Personally I think it's the coolest shit ever
>>155659962>People don't like the idea of an angry midget who's a bitter ass cunt being the mother of humanity, who is usually portrayed as almost a god-like figure. That's what they want. They want her to be a seductive femme fatale. Lute ain't that to the normiesThen why don't they look for some AU where Lilith is the mother of humanity? Like I'm betting post Lute is Eve reveal where gonna get several fanfic with that exact premise. If Eve isn't going to be a Lilith clone just cut out the middle man and use Lilith.
>>155660031I think it's gonna win some over when it happens since it has the struggler appeal but there's definitely gonna be a bunch unhappy with it.
>>155659962What's even weirder is the motherly figure actual Christians look to for comfort and guidance is the Virgin Mary. There's no real precedence for Eve to be venerated like that.
>>155660076yeah a lot of people aren't aware that eve (and adam to a lesser extent, at least we're told he dies eventually) just kinda disappear from the story after a few pages, they really do not matter in the actual bible at all.
>>155660154Yeah, Mary is the one called 'Our Mother' in most strands of Christianity. Hazbin isn't just influenced by Christianity but it's the strongest influence, so. I've never heard of Eve being treated as 'Our Mother' in a religious context. Adam and Eve feel more like a Biblical nature documentary of how people came about.
Treating Adam and Eve as gods just seems to be missing the point seeing as they come from the monotheistic Abrahamic religions
>>155659793I can't wait for it to be revealed as white.
>>155660418White, blonde and currently running around with a retarded Karen haircut to boot.
>>155660514when lucifer taunted adam for not giving lilith oral, he didn't know adam had a cat's tongue. one of those weird beta things from a zealous side dev angel that went unnoticed and never got removed before the human male patch got released.
>>155660556I wish we had a Rosy schizo in the same way Looty is with Lute.
>>155660556One of the devs INSISTED they had to have goat horns and got shot down over and over again but snuck them into the afterlife variants as an Easter egg
>>155660617probably not who you meant to reply to but i agree, we could use a rosie fan for their input either way.
>>155660617Rosie is not interesting enough to warrant a schizo imo
>>155660635>first day as a coder on the human project>told to optimise the build>find the appendix>'tf does this do?'>delete it>the blood-brain barrier disappears>team lead: 'yeah the dev who coded it quit six years ago and we've never figured out how to fix that, don't worry about it' >'what's really weird is that in our simulations if humans remove it or aren't born with it nothing happens lol'
>>155660418I can't wait for this type of art to finally die
>>155660647She could be. It's just an issue of her not having info leaks like Lute.
>>155660870Lute-Eve definitely did not have threesomes with Lilith and Lucifer.
I want to see more of cute twinky Eden Adam
What was he pointing at?
>>155660931She obviously didn't do that.
>>155661019>Look a birdie
>>155660984you will but it'll be exclusively adamsapple, i'm sorry.
>>155660984Like this?
>>155661081Fucking NO.
>>155661113eden era adam's smile will not be protected by anyone but them i'm sorry.
>>155661153Adamsapple is pure dogshit.
>>155661178they will be our loathsome fujos-in-arms in the seasons to come.
So, what's the general consensus? Was? Adam, always a bit of a spoiled brat in Eden, or was he uwu baby while Lilith tried to, I don't know, rape him or something.
>>155661153Wrong, his bloodstained wifey will keep him out of the clutches of predatory seraphim.
>>155661193What no. We don't like those guys. Wtf are you on about?
The Demonic Uterus in a compromised Angel looks like a normal system when scanned from the outside. But inside, it looks more like a dyed-red H.R Geiger painting. Ornate, aggressive, spooky. It’s far more efficient than an Angel’s standard uterus. No PMS, no cramps, just pure focus on ovulation and breeding. Anything that enters will be clamped down on and held in place, until impregnation occurs. And unlike a standard womb, pregnancies can occur consecutively. While the strong pheromones attract mortal, angel and demon alike……only demons can impregnate a compromised angel.
>>155661193>they will be our loathsome fujos-in-arms in the seasons to come.No, that's the Radioapple fans
>>155661221At this point it's kinda hard to tell. I'm really waiting for Lilith's performance in S3. Like if she's super difficult then while dickish I'd give Adam a pass. I don't think we're getting super evil Lilith but I know she'll have her issues. It's just a matter of how much Viv commits.
>>155661221I think he was a dude who tried his best and failed, which made him bitter and resentful.I think Eve also felt very guilty that she fucked up and ruined Humanity.
>>155661271What?
>>155661283Exactly. Fujo-in-arms are those that support your ship (intentionally or unintentionally) by removing players from counter ships. Won't have to deal with Adamshatple if Lucifer is busy with Alastor.
>>155661308There are Guitarspear fans out there who don't go to bat for Guitarspear as hardcore as the Radioapple Google doc schizo who was telling everyone they're delusional if they don't think Adam and Lute are endgame.
>>155661380I mean it makes sense. While I assume the average Staticmoth isn't a fan of Radioapple they are thankful it removes Alastor from the equation.
I went down the rabbit hole of the Hazbin trading cards and apparently there's whole extra layer of bullshit with special 'cracked ice' variants put into special packs? And there's a cracked ice version of the special Blu-ray card that's randomly inserted into a tiny portion of the Blu-rays. Damn.
>>155661535Yup. Scalpers paradise.
>>155661535But what's even the point? Is there lore hints or something??
>>155661616The rare ones sell for a stupid amount of money. Lute's Gravity card was insanely pricey because it was rare.
>>155661616It's just riding the coattails of the Pokemon TCG craze. The exclusive Blu ray card shows the hotel crew watching the Season 2 blu ray so no, they're not canon.
>>155661307Just idle musing.
Anybody here bought the Blu Ray? It'll ship really soon apparently
>>155661616People will buy things with their favorite characters on. It's usually pins and standees with franchises like this but people go uniquely crazy for trading cards.
Radiostatic > Radioapple There is zero sexual chemistry between Alastor and Lucifer. Or even romantic tension.
There was a hyper exclusive Vox trading card that you had to enter a raffle to win a chance to buy (yes buy), there was big drama about it cause them Vox fans are intense
>>155661736Sorry chief. We understand but don't really care. At the end of the day people don't give a shit unless it messes with their favourite ship. And for some Radioapple removes offending elements that mess with their favourite ship.
>>155661749>Vox fans are intenseYou mean fucking mental?
>>155661736Objectively speaking, both have chemistry. You may not like the chemistry, but it's there. The setup for radioapple has been there since they first interacted. It's a thing. A lot of people don't like it, a lot of people would have written it differently.... But it is in fact there.
>>155661736Radioapple is more convenient and I like the fans more. Ultimately both ships are the kind of yaoi ship I just can't care about so if I have to pick one I'll pick based on other factors
>>155661774Hey, I'm sure they can't be that ba-
>>155661883a stark refusal to deal with the entirety of a character, only snapshots of idealised moments that they extrapolate into infinity rather than engage with full interiority.
>>155661968>>155661883They are bad, they are out there, they are everything under the sun but they're not completely wrong either. It's just the way they go about it, makes them look crazy but you'd have to be blind to not see how much setup there is between them. Not saying that they'll end up getting married, but clearly Viv wants and expects everyone to ship it. I would not be surprised if they end up dating or something at the end
>>155662017Sorry, there's zero chance of them dating at the end. That is delusion. The Vee spinoff means the Vees are probably going to be kept at the status quo for the most part and that means Staticmoth. Alastor will be getting shiptease with Lucifer.
>>155662071Are you sure? I'm not advocating for any theory with these two, regardless if it's with Vox or whatever. I'm just saying as an outsider looking in. There seems to be a lot of build up for these too, Viv likes a lot of it, she said that Al is going to go through a journey, so is it just going to be dangling the carrot the entire time only for it to turn out that Al discovers? He's not into romantic shit? Something like that?
>>155662080Yes, Alastor is going on a journey that will end with him possibly dating Lucifer, possibly just getting suggestive tease with Lucifer, but there's no fucking way he's end up with Vox. It's just not happening.
>>155662017>>155662080Hang on, do you think I'm talking about Radioapple? I'm talking about Radiostatic.
>>155662168Oh no. He knows you're talking about Radiostatic. He just white knights for them.
>>155662191I ... Dont? Lol what?And yes I was confused. I was talking about radioapple. Okay no yeah ain't no way in hell Vox and Al are going to be a thing. do people legit believe that?????
>>155662388>do people legit believe that?????Yes. Listen people genuinely believe what's coming next is gonna be a pure continuation of S2. More Radiostatic. More Vee's being the main show. More Lute being random exorcist 464754# and doing nothing. It's why S3 is gonna be such a pants shitter.
How would Alastor x Lucifer’s relationship proceed? Speculation please.
>>155662502They probably kiss or something
>>155662521But like Sasuke / Naruto style.
>>155662576So fighting then sudden hate sex?
>>155662589No. Accidental kiss they both are disgusted over but the fandom uses as ship fodder.
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>>155662640God he’s so gloriously FAT.
>>155662778He's a big guy.
>>155662619>>155662640>>155662657lute arranged this to mark her territory, some of these girls were getting a little too familiar with adam* and needed to be reminded of their place. *adam was flirting with them.
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>>155663088That fact that this might be canonically Adam and Eve in Hazbin is hilarious.
You didn’t hear this from me but everything spring, (demon) adam goes into heat
>>155663170the lute=eve theory should succeed on comedy potential alone but this fanbase has proven many times over that it cannot take a joke. see how many people in the helluva boss fandom were genuinely outraged at getting the silly shark music video instead of deep verosika lore.
>>155663259omegaverse style? what does his slick taste like?
>>155663259It's a tough job but Lute can handle it
>>155663315Kek sauce?
What do you think Demon Adam looks like?
>>155663289I would like to think tastes bittersweet >>155663315He rides Lute’s strap so hard that his fat ass breaks it
>>155663369lute as a submissive service top to adam's power bottom i see the vision anon.
>>155663369>>155663390Hot. I know they use Bad Dragons or equivalent in a harness instead of boring vaguely cylinder shaped straps I just know it
>>155663346I’m boring so regular human Adam with giant demon horns
The irony of LUTE marrying a DEMON (Adam) is too wonderful for the show to pass up. She hates demons…..and becomes the wife of one.
>>155663346DRACONIC
>>155663339Sorry anon, it's mystery meat
Honestly the “Demon Uterus” idea can easily be played for laughs. Every Angel is trying to find “The Compromised One” with the secret hybrid-producing womb. Hijinks ensue as their paranoia overrides their common sense, with farcical results.
>>155663546And NOBODY even remotely suspects LUTE has been compromised by a demon (Adam). She vocally hates demons.
>>155663546I'll be real, I've been giggling about the demonic uterus for the last day. It's very silly. Never change /co/
>>155663276Oh absolutely. Fundamentally it's very hilarious and kinda fits Hazbin's weird wacky version of reality.
>>155663631I don’t mind the inherent absurdity of my own idea. Angels basically getting a Super Vagina.
>>155663649A Sugina?
>>155663683Well they did get an upgrade. It’s an improvement on their old hardware. Sera is comically over-the-top trying to find “The womb of evilness.”
>>155663720>“The womb of evilness.”That sounds like one off story H.P. Lovecraft would write.
>>155663734Lute is compelled by her new instincts to secretly birth her hybrids in remote spots. So it does have a surreal vibe. Once she knows it’s safe, her pregnancy hyper-accelerates and she births fast. Stealth pregnancy.Hence Sera’s fear of “a demon womb”.
>>155663785This just makes her sound like a cat who gives birth in cardboard boxes and cupboards.
>>155663826Unnatural body = unnatural urges. She can’t birth hybrids in front of dozens of Angels. She must be sneaky to get half-demons into Heaven.
Sera’s BIG secret is that while demons can’t get into Heaven, it is possible for half-demons to (provided they were birthed by an angel).Snakes in the garden of Eden.
>>155663975You say this for smut fodder, but I unironically think this is how Eve/Lute is in heaven. Jessica has literally called her a demonic angel, and I'm starting to think that was more literal than figurative
>>155664027I wouldn’t be shocked if ALL the Exorcists were half-demons, raised with Heaven values BUT still possessing hate and bloodlust.Lute hates Demons because she IS one (half).
>>155664068Oh and we could have a spooky nightmare scene where Lute rips off her face (which the dream interprets as a mask) and a demon’s face is grinning at her underneath it.
What is the fattest Adam ever got?
>>155664435I prefer him tastefully fat instead of immobile blob
>>155664494That is a gorgeous belly for him, in need of love.
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