What's she thinking about, bros?
Today is the day of the digital release
anti-mutant play with jean grey
>>155758112Cyclop’s cock
Spider-Phoenix, Malfoid, I guess schizo/tsundere femcels are on the menu recently
>>155758185>Cyclop
>>155758213Before being brought to the damage control building, jean was having fun. It was a serious situation and she wanted to save her sister, but she was clearly enjoying the ride along the way. After finding out her sister was dead, it wasn't fun anymore. Peter wasn't just a toy to mess around with but a damage control stooge who was trying to convince her not to punish the people who made her suffer.
Watching the movie with the japanese dub, Jean sounds a little older and more serious in that dub compared to english
>>155758998That's peculiar
>>155759016https://files.catbox.moe/ke9hb5.mp4
In the scene where Jean possesses the black pedestrian, you can see some of the other predestrians getting distracted by her conversation with spidey, including one of the people she will possess shortly later to taunt him
Spends her life toying with people around her to body hop to use at random for shits n giggles. Make people walk into traffic. But she is the victim for being captured.
>>155758112Does anyone have a torrent of the Japanese version yet? With the Mrs green apple song at the end
>>155759256not likely considering you have to buy the actual japanese blu ray to do that. switching the dub language on an english copy will not change the ost
>>155759211They don't explore it much but this Jean seems to believe that you get to be either human or superhuman, and if you're superhuman that means you have to be as pragmatic and violent as possible. she is meant to be wrong but the movie doesn't really discuss what any of this really means so a lot of people are thinking she might be mutant supremacist or somethingI think the general idea is that she sees herself as one of the monsters. She mocks Peter and Banner for trying to "bury the monster that lives inside you". I think that implies that she believes you shouldn't bury it at all. I think that's what the movie is going for. She thinks the muzzles are the pathetic option. She also uses the word "monster" to describe everybody though so it's tough. "Monster" seems to be the arc word of the movie considering how many characters say it. Peter calls Jean a monster. MJ says the limiter is for monsters. Jean calls the "Arachnid mode" and the Hulk monsters. Perhaps there is a hierarchy of monsters in jean's mind, and those at the top get to treat those lower like shit. On the other hand they probably did not consider what walking an old man into traffick would imply about Jean as a character
the extras who were shown flopping when Jean jumped through them were professional dancers
>>155759603>>155759612Damm, Sadie can act
Trouble time guys. There is a deleted scene where Peter calls Jean a little girl
>>155759635ohnonono they are truly siblings
>>155759739Siblings who have SSSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXX!
Sadie refers to their dynamic in the movie as a "weird connection" they haveDestin says the movie is about how you're defined by who you love and who loves you
>>155759762A weird connection of their genitals!
Tom being a real life acrobat still catches me off guard. There are a lot of shots in the behind the scenes footage of him actually moving like spider man
>>155758112Insemination
I can't wait for the HD edits people make of them.
The featurettes really don't cover much about Jean
>>155759762They have a "weird connection" because they met as enemies and became "sort of" friends
>>155759819The way she says it sounds like she means for most of the film. She brings up that Jean dislikes that she can't jump into Peter *and* they have this weird connection
>>155759819More like friends with benefits! SEXY benefits!
>>155759846Ohh, cool. I really like her chemistry with Tomand how professional both are. In their behind the scenes it seems both are enjoying it as well
>>155759893Welp, guess Tom and Zendaya's marriage is gonna be another flash in the pan Hollywood marriage. Fifty hypothetical bucks says they're divorced by Christmas and Tom is balls deep in Sadie by New Year's.
>>155759854>I've seen a side of Peter no one else has>I've seen him be vulnerable in a way no one else can>I've been inside him
>>155759975But she really wants him inside her!
10 years ago fans also thought Wanda was supposed to be a minor
>>155760005>we'll never see Wanda's cleavage again
The whole "weird connection" quote from Sink, for those who are curious:>Peter... He is the one person she cannot jump into. She can't access him, and that was an obstacle, but there's also this weird connection between them that they kind of get to explore later on.
>>155760264Kino..... Sadie has a way with words
>>155760264>He is the one person she cannot jump into.But she can still jump his bones.
>>155758185All cocks are a cyclops.
>>155760510Unless you were circumcized by Rabbi Chaim "Schmaltzfingers" Leibowitz. Oy, I'm just glad my mudda and fadda didn't have to plan a bat mitzvah instead!
>>155758112The devil because she's a highly satanic mutant aka DEMOIN
>>155760630I was talking about the urethra but Its still insane to me people do that to their kid. Like ignoring preference, going >I handed my kid over to a stranger to get mutilated before they can speak instead of teaching hygiene And the response en masse is just glossed over in the U.S. Almost like someone with mind control powers is...
>>155760005I'm one of those people. As in Wanda and Pietro is a few years older than Peter (not to mention Steve saying she's a kid).Weirdly I am bummed when they decided to make her same age as Elizabeth Olsen, much as I love older women
>>155760687>I was talking about the urethraSo was I, you've clearly never met Rabbi Schmaltzfingers!
>>155760732Well I'm glad my penis wasn't obliterated by him either.
>>155759603>>155759612>this is sibling coded to the non-believers
Any good ideas for what could be a fun mind control mechanic?Still trying to figure out how to make the mind control mechanic fun in a game perspective.- One option I'm considering is to make the character move in a 2D grid like a pokemon game, and mind control guards and other characters to get stuff.- The other option I'm thinking is making it all dialog based with Jean triggering dialogs depending on who she has controlled. Feels like that'd be the most natural one, but for every character the choices may grow exponentially. I get now why they say visual novels are difficult.https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSbCfoMM1/
>>155758185Scotty, I...
>>155759635>>155759739>>155759755>>155760802BASED
>>155758112>"He really should just not even bother talking. He's so honest I can just read his mind and get his genuine opinions anyways as he'd do it. It would save us lots of time."
>>155758604And honestly with how far she had gone already, at the very least should have killed Metzger
>>155759035kek that's the classic elegant villainess voice. Reminds me of Satsuki from Kill la KIll
>>155760802caring brother and sister
>>155761007H-hot!
>>155759508>Perhaps there is a hierarchy of monsters in jean's mind, and those at the top get to treat those lower like shit.Quite like the mutant tier system, and Jean is omega level even if it hasn't been said explicitly.>On the other hand they probably did not consider what walking an old man into traffick would imply about Jean as a characterWouldn't that be like stepping on an ant for Jean? On the other hand, don't ask mutant supremacist Jean about her mutate boyfriend.
>>155759612I've always wondered where she got the green pants from. Did Damage Control undress Jean while she was unconscious? And did they...do anything else to her body?
>>155759919>Fifty hypothetical bucks says they're divorced by Christmas and Tom is balls deep in Sadie by New Year's.I wish I was Tom Holland!
>>155761041Stepping on an ant is a good metaphor. If she managed to dehumanize common folk that badly she isn't even being malicious. Which is far scarier.
>>155758112>I want to fuck my brother figure>Cue Another Teen movie music
>>155761066To be fair that's how supremacy and jingoism goes even irl.>"Its okay to invade their lands and take their resources because we're bringing European culture in exchange">"We can bomb them because we're giving them FREEDOM. White man's burden">"Allah/Yahveh has made us the chosen ones so its okay if we bomb their schools and hospitals, we have a divine right to do so"I dare say its a very human aspect to it and I love that Jean embodies it as a mutant. I find her far more interesting than boring comics/Evolution Jean.
>>155761082Evolution, WAtxM Jean and TAS Jean all have a very ruthless side and have all misbehaved when in a bad mood even without the Phoenix .Evo Jean comedically uses her powers on people who annoy her, Wolverine and the X Men Jean slammed Emma for trying to kiss Scott. Animated series Jean got really petty and unreasonable when she found out about her clone. MCU Jean seems to be like this because she has no professor X
They turned the fucking HobGoblin into "Ganke if he was Peter's best friend" and I still have to hear about comic accuracy
>>155761305Maybe he will become Hobgoblin in a future Spidey installment?
>>155761620I'd find it difficult to find Ned threatening of all people. Then again maybe he will pull a Bryan Cranston and surprise us with his hobgoblin performance?
>>155761620He's already goblin enough, judging by the look of him.
>>155761620I was wondering if his magic powers were an attempt to set this up. Just make the actor work out.
With the HD out you can now see that Jean wasn't holding Peter's wound (which was on his BACK) but was clutching his hand
>>155762326premarital handholding
>>155762326she was healing him with handholding
I think Jean has a crush on Peter. One sided. Everyone says that her switching to a good guy was too fast but a crush would actually explain that better than anything. Even if she "hated" him for most of the movie you can tell she enjoys being around him
>>155762666I mean, maybe that's my schizoid ramblings taking my mind again, but there might be some original takes that lean into this, as Jean's extended featurette from the Behind-the-scenes compilation shows us that she was supposed to be more enthusiastic when meeting him near the vault.>Hi, Peter!>Jean...>You looked me up! I'm blushing...It would also explain why Sink calls it a "weird connection", something that couldn't be explained under "normal" circumstances.
>>155762666>I think Jean has a crush on Peter.>I think the ocean is a bit damp.
jean grey is a squirter
>>155763222Fuck can you imagine? Do you think mutant pussy juice has a different flavor from human pussy?
>>155763261>Do you think mutant pussy juice has a different flavor from human pussy?Think we've finally run out of shit to talk about this movie.
>>155763301What about the digital release? Any anon bought it? My movie theater still has the spiderman movie available
do y'all have fics of jean cheating on scott with peter
>>155763355Why would anyone want to read that drivel? I don't care about Scott at all and comics/cartoon Jean is too different from mcu jean
>>155763377'cause I'm into it
>>155763393Get better taste, faggot.>>155763336Intending to buy it AND go watch it again
>>155763432no
Why is she so psychotic?
>>155762666Jean made an attempt at convincing Peter about Damage Control, but after he ignored it and called her dangerous, she became more hostile with each encounter. If she was really out for blood from the start, she would've just killed MJ in her apartment
>>155763355Need a version of this with Spidey replacing Wolvie.
>>155764128This, that was the turning point for Jean Grey
>>155764819calling her dangerous was the beginning, but calling her a monster is what made her double down on it
what would have happened realistically if Frank didn't shoot?
>>155764969Jean would probably be too pessimistic and scared to really trust Peter's "you have me", she'd likely think it was just him saying that to calm her downthat's why Frank is the ultimate wingman and gives Peter a perfect opportunity to demonstrate just his true his "you have me" words really were
>>155764969He would have fucked Jean and creampied her in her mindscape
>>155765470kek
>>155764969She would've probably been tuckered out from all the stress and adrenaline finally catching up to her, as she'd be given enough time to rest.Unlike what actually happened, where she was out of the pan and into the fire.
>>155765986I liked it, it proved that Peter meant what he said about being on her side.I only hated that she took the bus and fled the city.
>>155764969Impossible. He has a trigger finger for that.
This ship needs to have some kind of tragedy behind it. Maybe Peter is permanently stuck on MJMaybe Jean falls for him but Peter tries to push her towards Cyclops Symbiote arc or Phoenix arc or both causing permanent emotional scarring Maybe they end up together but Peter dies
>>155766222>I only hated that she took the bus and fled the city.Seemingly more and more people are becoming aware of just how weird her sudden departure is.>inb4 she was wanted by the authoritiesSo is Frank, yet he drives around and stays in hospitals without anyone bothering him. Also Jean can just telepath her way out of any problem now so the authorities really aren't a threat to her. It was just clumsy storytelling.
>>155766222Even if you don't ship it it's weird for a movie to end on the two lonely characters leaving each other so one can be even more alone and the other can go kickstart all of his dead freindships. All of the counter arguments require an appeal to the MCU as a constant "set up" franchise>she has to leave to set up the x men>jean is not a spider man character so she has to go >The authorities would arrest her (the authorities were actually after Damage control and have no idea who she is and they let FRANK CASTLE get away)
frank and peter having a brotherly bond at the end is also stupid because frank is still going to kill criminals who are much lower tier than the main evil guy in this movie
>>155767152Yeah its pretty dumb when you analyze it
>>155766222it's stupid because it completely undermines Jean's struggle as soon as it was revealed.>I don't wanna be alone>I won't leave you alone>*dies*>she stays to keep him alive, who know for how long>IMMEDIATELY LEAVES AFTER HE WAKES UP.>Person whose main struggle was that she didn't want to be alone, immediately leaves person who promised to be by her side, in order to be, in fact, aloneWho wrote that shit?
>>155767906yeah it's dumb
>Peter sitting on a rooftop knowing that Jean is alone again>ahh well i better go blow Ned's mind
Headcanon: Jean can't jump into Peter for the same reason Peter is going through ultra puberty. His body thinks he's a spider. Her brain thinks she's a spider. Her brain has a safety measure to stop her from jumping into the body of a lower creature like a spider and losing all of her higher functions
>>155768167to be fair, he has no clue where to start looking for her
>>155768482He could use those flock cameras and scan for her face again. Or track her by smell using those upgraded spider-senses.
I wonder if friendly neighborhood was intended to synergize with this movie since they both have a scene where Peter completely loses his mind and starts viciously beating Scorpion until someone stops him
MonsterThe word is said eight times in Brand New DayBanner says it first, while talking to Peter. Warning that he won't turn into monster due to his inhibitor The second person to say it is Jean. She's referring to his spider mode. She asks if he's trying to get rid of it. The third person to say it is Peter. After Jean kisses him and then uses MJ's body to taunt his foolishness. Jean then says it again after Peter's eyes engage Spider mode. She asks him who the monster is now. MJ is the fourth person to say it. Saying that inhibitors are only for monsters, not for someone who's just changing.Jean says it again through Banner's body. Taunting both Peter and banner for trying to control the monsterBanner says it again. He says his inhibitor is the only thing that can control the monster inside.Jean says it one last time during her climactic rant. She says people are monsters and you can't trust any of them.
>>155769155Interesting tid-bit, I suppose.Through this analysis, it could be interpreted that Jean plays over Peter's definition of "monster" up until their final confrontation, where she reveals her thoughts about how monsters actually look like.Peter and Banner see their powers as monstrous, Jean sees it as part of being special, and MJ ignores the debate about if the powers are what makes them, giving her thoughts on Spider-Man as a person, instead.Also, there's technically another mention of the "monster" word tree, through the word "monstrous", which I feel incapsulates what they really are, push comes to shove.>Sometimes, because you're special, people can do dark, monstrous things to you.>But... This is what I want you to know: you're beautiful, and the people who love you, we love you not because you're special. We love you because you're you.
>>155769155Interesting that monster might be the most commonly used non proper noun in the movie
Digital version confirms that Detective Dewolf's name is also Jean. That's just funny.
>>155769630kek that's so weird. Why did they choose that name?
At the very least more spiderman videos are coming out on YT. Finally the opening and the Hulk fight are out in HDhttps://youtu.be/rHwcullonlYI really liked that OP and the city keys part.
>>155770201Jean Dewolff is a character from the comics. They chose her because she's one of the few known named cops that are on friendly terms with Spidey.>>155766908Jean's first death will probably push him to the edge a bit.
If this shit doesn't go through then I hope Scott ends up cheating on Jean, and then Jean kills herself before they have a chance to make up. Also Peter will spend the next few movies trying to get with MJ again for some reason but Paul cockblocks him everytime. It's comic-accurate too! If I'm going down I want you all going down with me.
>>155771175Now that I had no idea. I love when they show obscure characters
Do you like Jean with telekinesis?
>>155771919No, I prefer her more limited skillset like with the mind control
I like Jean in jeans
>>155758112I really like their sibling-like dynamic
>>155772824It's very Flowers in the Attic
Honestly thought it would take until the end of the year, but the SpiderPhoenix subreddit just hit 30,000 members. How cute.
>>155758129#NeedThat
>>155772609Jean in jeans is basically like vikings with horns. It's historically inaccurate but popular. Maybe it was caused by her ass shaking ad
>>155764128>Jean made an attempt at convincing Peter about Damage ControlShe completely disregarded that he knew her from her crazy tank ride and the burden of proof was on her that she wasn't bugnuts crazy
>>155774090that was unexpected and kino from her
>>155774090at least now we know that jean grey canonically has a slim yet firm butt
>>155769543May's reaction was always odd to me since Peter is one of the first true superhumans known in the MCU. She took it so well.Remember in 2016 only half of the avengers were actually superhuman and the eat were just high tech soldiers
'Nuff said
SEX with JEAN GREY
>>155759603.
>>155774791oh, i don't think sothat's her BTS scene with that black dude in the lift
I like Sadie's big ass eyes
>>155774939i like her big cute smile
>>155775281I like her fat pussy
>>155776931Poor Jean burned the cookie until it looked like foreshadowing
>>155774929Wouldn't be surprised if Zendaya is his beard desu. That would explain why he doesn't care about her fucking around while he takes black dick on screen like in that one show we don't talk about.
>>155768819What would a hobo like Jean smell like?
after rewatching the movie i think its safe to say jean is just a bad strategist and the only reason she got caught is because she assumed her powers keep her safe from anythingletting peter get a glimpse of her was insanely reckless
>>155777417yup, she's literally has godlike power and got careless
>>155777449What really gave me that feeling was the vault scene. Peter shows up and smacks the inhibitor right on her neck and she can't do anything about it. She thinks highly of her own power but she has no counter measure to Spider-man attacking her face to face.
>>155777417she wanted to personally rub it in after the kiss
>>155777674she definitely did want to rub something after the kiss
god imagine all the things jean would do to peter if she never turned good. she would probably sit on his face
Jean no thats not how this works
>>155777733>i need to be punished, peter>i've been a bad mutantmy cock can only grow so erect
Man the part when Peter catches the bullet is so good.>Peter covers Jean's body in a pseudo-hug to cover her entire body surface, to ensure she can't get hit no matter where exactly the bullet is gonna land>the bullet impact is so strong it slides them together across half the room but Peter still doesn't drop her or lose his protective posture>he immediately checks on her and holds her in his arms even though he just took a .50 cal to the back>pretends he's completely fine and tries to soldier on even though they both know what just happened>then Jean starts tearfully begging for him not to die, even though she spent much of the movie fighting himWhoever choreographed that scene to happen exactly the way it did, he knew what the fuck he was doing and did a great job.
>>155777759need a redraw of this with jean
>>155777821It was truly an amazing moment. Jean had finally calmed her jets and stopped going ape shit on the city but he went the extra mile and proved to her that he will protect her
Truly a phoenix caught in a spider's web.
>>155777733Especially if their "weird connection" remains unsolved and impure.The one that allows Jean to enjoys the chase and the violence as long as Peter engages with it; the one that made her lock him in place the moment she heard he was there to save her; the one that made her beat him up just so he could learn the lesson that they are the same.
I want to make a new Spiderphoenix video. Any suggestions?
>>155779343something set to One Hundred Thousand Million Stars from the Your Lie in April musical
>>155779157in their final confrontation, both were trying to convince the other that they were the same, but for different reasons
>>155758129Wow! Can't wait to buy Mass Surveillance Puberty 2 Spider-Man!!! Love how he's poor but we won't show you any way that he is! He just is but still has a nice apartment, orders pizza, 3D prints tech, and has an AI helper. It made $2 billion despite being a fucking ChatGPT ass Spider-Man movie.
>>155780489The same connection that has Peter actively worry about Jean when he thinks she's going out of her league with the Hulk.The same connection that has Peter wishing to question her (even before finding out about Sara) instead of treating her as an one-and-done villain.Connections tend to be two-sided, after all.
>Secret Wars >Jean is fighting some aliens or whatever>she gets hurt>suddenly a red and blue blur appears out of nowhere>it's Peter>He sees Jean hurt>he goes apeshit on all the villains
>>155782127cute siblings
I ship it but the concept of Jean and Peter being siblings isn't bad on paper. It's just weird in this case because both of the MCU versions have actual sibling dynamics in this very movie with other characters
>>155769155it's funny how Jean keeps projecting this monster shit onto everyone, but gets really pissed when Peter throws it back at her
>>155783215I wonder if her use of it at the end was her throwing it back at Peter>I'm not the monster PEOPLE are
Jean messed this guy up so bad he needed therapy time with Ned and you're shipping them
>>155783472They're so perfect together. They're 2 lonely broken souls who found each other
>>155783779she was the one who broke his soul
>>155783833H-hot!
>>155783833he was already fucked up before they even met, the dude contemplated suicide over being cucked by a girl who wasn't even dating him
>>155784155Was Peter really that suicidal?
I kinda want to watch this movie, but I don't want to go to a theater, because apparently some theaters nearby are still playing it. And I know it's up for streaming, but I also don't want to pay Youtube $30 to watch it.Why did companies have to get so good at scrubbing illegal streaming websites, guys? Why couldn't they stay grossly incompetent at this sort of thing forever?
>>155784666it is crazy that the movie costs 30 fucking dollars to watch at home
>>155784666I just want them to have ALL THE MONEY they need. I want SpiderPhoenix to be canon, I might go again tomorrow for the 5th time. I love Jean so much!
>>155784711Like I'd pay $15 maybe. But $30? For a fucking rental? A digital rental? Fuck off with that.
>>155784666The reason the rental is so expensive is to pressure you into just buying the movie which is only slightly more expensive
>>155784839I don't understand why they'd want that. Aren't all digital downloads and streams basically rentals? What, do they expect me to buy the fucking blu-ray?
>>155784879They do it because it works, apparently. I don't know enough about economy to explain it
>>155784879The blu ray comes with a free digital copy, making the digital copy a less worthy expense. So probably this.
What do you think Jean's plot will be next?
>>155786237Since her next appearance is Secret Wars she's going to be fighting to defend herself on Battleworld
It was fun while it lasted.
>>155786263I feel its too soon to just wipe out the universe like that. They should have let it settle and add more character to Peter and Jean instead of wasting time with literally who avengers.
>>155784565Yup, he was so depressed he didn't care about his health
Jean needing to be a secret in all BND marketing stuff is fucking annoying since we all knew it was Jean as soon as she was cast. Everyone knew it would be either Jean or Firestar. So while every other character gets to discuss their development and internal process Sadie has to avoid discussing her character entirely
I know he's still recovering in this scene but he seems a bit sad, disappointed, and confused when Frank tells him Jean just left. Almost like it makes no sense she would just go (it doesn't) or he thinks he might have lost a possibly important connection.Kevin and Amy, please don't let this go to waste. Give the people something they never knew they wanted before.
>>155786891There is always the interpretation that when Peter told her to go he simply meant hide but because there was blood gushing from his back he didn't try to be more specificJean on the other hand interpreted it that she has to leave; And yes of course as others have said Jean is destined to live at the X mansion so they simply couldn't have had an ending where she lives with him. That would only work if it was Firestar, the actual X-girl who lived with Peter
>>155786891It would be dumb not to capitalize on this dynamic. The previous generation of avengers already ran their course
So how is Peter's identity a secret? He has no mask in the hospital room and it is littered with gifts from fans. There is clearly no security because the fucking Punisher is hanging out in that room
Given how they're both mutated freaks I'm pretty sure their children would just be cancer cells that would kill Jean from within.
Midnight Spider might be synergy for this movie since that peter is physically infused with the spider that bit him and has organic webs
>>155781047Spider-Man is a criminal, he beats people up, he's a vigilante, why wouldn't he use some bs surveillance ai to stop more crimes?
>>155787938This. People seem to forget he isn't a cop and that he's already breaking the law by doing what he does
>>155784666Google FMHY you retard
So what's Peter's job anyway? If you think about it, a guy as smart as Peter wouldn't have too difficult a time finding freelance coding work or whatever. Especially with that AI of his. Just have her scrub the net for legitimate, decent-paying gigs. Hell, she could even do the gigs herself.
>>155787998it's possible that he does some freelance online work to avoid being identified
>>155758112Are these threads an organic thing or just the same schizos bumping it until all the talking becames a circular thing?
>>155788131Organic, the more forced posts were actually towards the beginning. I would say there's about 6 or 7 regular anons per day but it's definitely dwindling
>>155788118Yeah, that'd be the ideal. We don't really live in an era where a supergenius on Peter's level would have to be stuck making ends meet with a freelance photography job. He's a genuine genius, and he has that super AI helping him, so it shouldn't be hard for him to make just enough to make rent, buy food and keep his superhero activities going.
Otto nearly blowing his cover by disrespecting Jean
Even if the organic webs are better, I still want him to use tech for his webs too. You can't use more specialized stuff with organic webs, like the remote webs or stunner webs.
>>155788183Otherwise we have to imagine him squeezing out webcum and stuffing it into devices and that's just grossFun fact, this is literally how male spiders orgasm. Through webbing on the front arms.
>>155788131They kind of double as a discussion hub for the movie itself
>>155788142Well, good for you. I guess.
>>155758112
>>155788263edit paul's glasses to red
>>155788263Cyclops is fucking lucky that Peter and Jean's established dynamic in 616 is Generic Decent Friendship
>>155788131It’s as organic as a general can be for 2 months. There haven’t been any actual schizos in the threads thankfully. There are still some serious discussion points but yeah, it’s starting to dry it given how slow the threads are now compared to how they were before. I still come here for the fanart and for the general discussion for the movie.
You know what's funny is that even if they try to have Jean get together with Scott, they are gonna have a REALLY fucking hard time trying to get them to have the same degree of chemistry as Jean has with Peter. Like if JeanxScott is the endgame here, they made a horrible decision by having Jean debut in Spider-Man's film.
>>155787479Wasn't it implied that Frank is there to keep other people from seeing him? He's presumably the one bringing the gifts in and only the cool doctors/nurses actually come in to do shit that needs medical knowledge.
So if Peter's basically been cleaning up all the major criminal gangs and organizations on his own, does that means the other street level New York heroes have nothing to do?
>>155788415It's funny, cause if you were going to have a dynamic Jean and Scott relationship, you'd do pretty much exactly what BND did: have Jean be a loose canon that boy scout hero Scott helps convince to chill in a mental hug session. But now they can't do that, cause she's already done it with Peter!Poor Scott. Been a rough time for him this year. Probably gonna get Obi-Wan'd in Midnight X-Men too.
>>155788633Peter singlehandedly defeating the hand offscreen is hilarious considering the amount of nightmarish shit they put the netflix heroes through
>>155788656He didn't even have his power boost then!It's easy to fluff it as it actually was some big epic crossover with all the Netflix heroes and they just didn't show up in the montage or get mentioned at all in BND by coincidence.
>>155788656I'd imagine he kinda struggled to find the "deeper" criminal elements at first. Remember back in Homecoming when he just tried to look for crime by swinging around the city? Once he became Spider-Man full time and really homed in on all the bigger issues, I'd imagine shit went bad real fast for those guys. None of them were really equipped to deal with someone on his level. He's an Avengers-tier superhero who chooses to focus exclusively on New York City.
>>155788656>Enhanced physical strength and durability>Superior reflexes and evasion>Literal anti-stealth alarm built-in to his head>Actually a genius in science and technologyGee, I sure wonder why he soloed their entire organization offscreen.
>>155788862Yeah. Peter was already crazy strong back in Homecoming. Like he was insanely green, but he still managed to hold that ship together for a bit. I don't think there's literally anyone in the Netflix street crew who's even remotely prepared to deal with someone like him.I mean power-wise, he's basically Daredevil x100.
>>155788415What worries me is that they have terrible chemistry but people are insisting theirs are great just to deny Peter and Jean. You know they will.
Do you guys have any idea what Jean's role in Secret Wars would be? My fanfic idea is that she is one of the few people who remember pre-Battleworld, she encounters her Peter who also remembers and they both embark on a journey to find those that do to stand against Doom. But her and Peter's screentime are significantly devoted to each other aka knowing how Secret Wars will film Tom and Sadie would work onscreen together often.
What would be the monkey paw if MCU decides to do Peter X Jean? Hard mode (or probably easy mode), it affects anything but Peter and Jean.
>>155788945The second it happens, Peter dies so Holland can retire from the character.
>>155788938They are most likely going to distribute Peter and Jean among the less popular heroes like Kamala to give them a boost since 6 years of shilling them failed
>>155788862Spidey being insanely strong is canon, he just holds back 99% of the time>>155788415Jott fans are known to very rabid, MCU can give them shipping moments and they will eat it up easily no matter hiw bad, MCU X-Men if done decently can pull off billions in revenue
>>155788415That's what I've been thinking since August. Unlike most people here I'm not actually opposed to a Scott/Jean romance in the movies but if that's the plan then Brand New Day was a mistake, and Jean shouldn't have been introduced until the X-Men movie or something. Every attempt to make emotionally intimate scenes between Scott and Jean will almost certainly feel like a pale imitation compared to what transpires between Peter and Jean in the torture chamber at Damage Control.
Honestly, even if he doesn't get with Jean, I hope he doesn't get back with MJ. She's kind of a dull character in general and I'm tired of her. I did find it interesting how even after learning the truth, MJ didn't recover her memories, yet Ned was able to remember. So maybe that's meant to show that MJ's moved on, whereas Ned's fixation on Spider-Man was meant to show he never did.Anyway, here's hoping Peter and Jean have good scenes in Secret Wars. It's about the only goddamn thing I'm looking forward to from this franchise.
>>155789598>Spidey being insanely strong is canon, he just holds back 99% of the timeno it isnt canon
It's kinda mushy and corny, but it's nice how everyone just likes Peter. The entire city likes Spider-Man, Yelena likes Spider-Man, Jean comes to like Spider-Man, even the Punisher likes Spider-Man. His friendship with Peter's the healthiest relationship this Frank has by a landslide.You really get the sense that Spider-Man just makes everyone's lives brighter.
>>155788295>PaulWho?
>>155790007Now this is funny
>>155790007Paul is such a good guy, avenging his friend Scott
>>155789598To be fair, if you're a Jott Fan you've basically been sabotaged by the movies, the wolverine cartoon, and the comics endlessly
>>155790398And cyclops is such a pathetic sight. Its like the cripple kid at school trying to get the stacy and pretending he got a chance. Even Logan looks like that when you consider his height.None of those can compare with the Spider, and that is even considering twink Holland.
>Ruthless>Flirty>Primary power is telepathy >Pragmatic>Underhanded >Stalked, exposed, was redeemed by spider man>Got a new outlook on life just by reading Peter Parker's memories >Sees Spider-Man and Cyclops as romantic options >Seems downright scummy and cruel on the outside but has the potential to be a heroShe just stole Emma Frost's entire fucking portfolio
>>155790532To me its Purple Man
>>155790532Emma will steal Scott away from her
>>155790706Emma was a HERO, we just couldn't see it
>>155790717Emma has always been my fave telepath
>>155791113I generally dislike all telepaths as a rule. Jean was the exception because of how emotionally cute she is.
>>155791640I think you might just be in love.
>>155791640Peter...
>>155790706Emma/Scott is better anyways. (Fictional) relationships are better when they are two differing personalities.
>>155791877....you got me
jean cheating on scott with peter
Not really related to Peter/Jean but how pathetic is Peter for pining over MJ for so long?I kind of get why he's so sad about losing Ned, they were childhood best friends right? But he met MJ in high school and dated for like a few months before the spell. You can't tell me he then spent 4 years emotionally devastated because he could no longer date her. That's a loss a person would recover from after like a year or two. I know because I've been there, and even after the worst most tragic breakup you still end up moving on one way or another after a period of time.It doesn't feel realistic to me for Peter to pine so much over a relatively short relationship with someone he didn't even know that long. I'd understand if he lost a parent or someone he knew his entire life, but it's not the case.
>>155794330I would’ve said maybe it’s because MJ’s his first love but then I remember Liz Allan.
>>155794330under normal circumstances, yeah it's really pathetic, but considering he spent his teenage years fighting criminals, died for 5 years, came back, got his identity revealed and became a controversial celebrity for months and then erased his own existence, it's understandable that he'd get fixated on what he used to have, even if it didn't last long. Though it would work better if he actually moved on after being dumped in this movie, instead of getting back with MJ in the next one
>>155794330Technically he happened to get a crush on her somewhere between Homecoming and Far From Home, for unspecified reason, and probably mostly one sided...Look, her initials are MJ. Don't you get it already she is a big fucking deal for her?
>Homecoming >Peter tries to go for Liz at first>Liz ends up rejecting Peter as a consequence of his duties as Spider-Man>Peter also makes a small but important connection with a new girl named Michelle>next movie suddenly has Peter and Michelle romantically interested in each other >....>Brand New Day >Peter tries to go for Michelle at first >Michelle ends up rejecting Peter as a consequence of his duties as Spider-Man>Peter also makes a small but important connection with a new girl named Jean>next movie- Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
>>155795651is this about Karma?
>>155796180Karma or Adventures Emma Frost
>>155795651I have no idea who this person could be referring to
I somehow keep forgetting that there's people actually upset that MCU Jean has this harsh personality instead of being a standard nice girl who is a little invasive and eventually goes crazy
>>155759508>On the other hand they probably did not consider what walking an old man into traffick would imply about Jean as a characterHonestly, I feel like that made sense considering her predicamentwhat didn't make sense was Peter not saving the dude, so retarded
>>155794330I think the movies want you to think that MJ is really something special. Like, truly special in a way that is immediately obvious to everyone, and that's why Peter being so obsessed with her should seem self-explanatory to you. That's why you have multiple characters telling Peter "I can see why you like MJ, she's so ____."The problem is that even though we're told MJ is special, we're never really shown it. I really have no idea how to describe Zendaya's MJ other than... sometimes she has a dry, ironic sense of humor. That's it. Other than that, she's kind of an amorphous blob of a character who does not have any definition to her other than 'Spiderman's love interest.'
>>155796180>>155796637Yes, they clarified it's about Karma.
>>155796924MCU Jean is Karma characterization wise
>>155796906I think part of it is also just that Peter hasn't really had any meaningful interactions with anyone in a very long time. He keeps DeWolfe at arm's length and he even moved out of his old apartment because he couldn't deal with the possibility of human interaction. That girl noticing him on the elevator spooked him so much that he decided to live in a shitty attic. He doesn't even talk to food delivery people, he just has them leave the food at the door.So when you consider what kind of life he's been living, it makes sense that he'd cling to the last two human beings left alive that he has a strong emotional attachment to. Realistically, Peter hasn't actually known MJ that long, but because she was the only serious relationship he's ever had (for all of one year), it means too much to him. He doesn't allow himself to form relationships, so that one romantic relationship he did have was infinitely special to him. Same with Ned. Ned wasn't just his best friend, he was pretty much his ONLY real friend. We never see him hanging out with anyone else.Now that Peter's made the decision to come out of his shell, he might be able to move on from MJ. Or they'll have them get back together, I dunno. I don't care for her, but let's not pretend there's not a real possibility of him happening because Sony and Marvel have been known to make stupid decisions before.
Was it a mistake for this movie to use talk no Jutsu instead of giving Peter and Jean a real final fight
I never felt this way about Tobey's webs, but Holland's organic webs are kinda gross. Like just the sheer, insane volume he can splurt from just his wrists is gross.Also I really like the web bombs and hope he doesn't ditch them.
>>155797102The Tobey man films treated webs as just a cool super power but this movie draws as much attention to the fact that webs are a gross organic secretion and the human body producing it is an abomination to science
>>155796924imagine if they actually made Karma, the canonical lesbian, kiss Spider-Man in a movie
>>155797102The sex symbolism of Peter unleashing loads of web in a tiny room Jean trapped him in
Jean begging Peter not to die really hits
I rewatched the movie a few days and I dunno, even though the writers talked about this being the moment Peter decides to move on, I still feel like the movie paved the path for an eventual reconciliation between MJ and Peter. Even though it would be a shit idea for a variety of reasons, it still felt like that's what the movie was slowly inching towards.
>>155797113I mean it was always an abomination, but I just can't help but think about the sheer volume of web fluid his wrist sacs must contain. I mean Jesus Christ, what the fuck is going on in there? Also, one funny thing I feel that no one ever addresses is that Peter deliberately engineered his artificial webs to only last an hour or two. Real spider silk isn't supposed to dissolve that fast. In fact, they can really last a damn long time if left alone. So it'd be funny if Peter had to deal with the fact that the webs he uses to just swing around the city last fucking forever.
>>155797156the same girl who was mocking him and everything he stood for 5 minutes earlier
>>155797166I think they're leaving it open. He could go either way. They're probably paying close attention to fan discourse to see what the best course of action would be.I like to imagine that, given how dense Hollywood can some times be, the shipping with Jean probably came as a total surprise to them.
>>155797202I think that's part of why it hits so hard. She spends the whole movie just sperging out at Peter from a distance, but it takes only 5 minutes in his mind for her to do a full 180 about him.
The movie needed a scene to remind the audience that an individual hand Ninja is comparable to Spider Man. Without it people forget that they are superhuman and think he's just getting knocked around by trains humans
>>155797202Never been there?
Jean actually managed to stay composed even when she's enraged. She's still delivering one liners and speeches exactly how she wants. It's only when Peter starts dying that she starts stuttering and begging.
>>155797252I don't think they're actually comparable to Spider-Man. It's clear that 1v1, they're no match for him, even prior to taking off the inhibitor. I think he had the advantage until the guards with the web-disruptors showed up. That caught him completely off-guard.It's clear that the ninjas are capable of crazy shit. You can clearly tell that they're physically enhanced. It's just that individually, they're absolutely not in Peter's league, even with the inhibitor.
Tom Holland should strike while the iron is hot (while he has the skilled director ready to make more movies, and also before he starts getting visibly too old for the role). However he seems unwilling now that he has more negotiating power with the studio and wants to make other movies.Be prepared for Spiderman 5 in 2030 with Tom looking like pic related.
>>155797073You really think Spidey has it in him to slam a girl in the concrete the same way he did Gargan?Also Bird-Ninja symbolism or whatever.https://variety.com/2026/artisans/news/spider-man-brand-new-day-fight-scene-jean-grey-phoenix-1236830062/
>>155797243oh yeah I agree
I don't really get Gargan's deal. He's just a dumbass with an exosuit. Which is what he was in the comics, but there, he was permanently stuck to the suit. Here, it looks like he can just take it on and off. Which means there's nothing special about the guy. Gargan's value was tied entirely to the suit, so if you can have the suit without Gargan, then he's completely pointless.
>>155797298stone cold mutie when faced with genuine kindness
>>155789939Watch A Silent Voice
Unironically why is this movie so successfulby all means, even including inflation, No Way Home should be the most successful Spider Man movie ever.
>>1558003402026 had no good superhero movies besides this one
>>155800340In terms of writing and action, it's a generally better movie than No Way Home.
In the Portugese dub Jean's line is the equivalent of "The last thing my sister saw is this FUCKING ROOM"
>>155789939ngl I kinda wish he was a bit more controversial, kids will always love him, but there should be more distrust from the general public
>>155801837I'd imagine it was a deliberate choice to create a stronger contrast with how utterly hollow his civilian life is. Plus, they already sort of went through that arc in No Way Home.My guess is the first year or two were more tumultuous times for him, but over time, the fact that he's basically devoting all his time to keeping New York safe probably earned him a ton of fans. Compared to comics Peter, this Peter has a number differences that might have led to this.>1) He made some huge, massive mistakes early on in his career. Frankly, a good chunk of the problems that arose in the "Home-" era were his fault. He fucked up hard and learned some harsh lessons.>2) Avengers cred. Spider-Man is more or less known to be associated with the Avengers, and the Avengers have a generally positive reputation. His early association with the Avengers likely gave him a leg up.>3) His "tutorial" era was REALLY effective. He went through some pretty heavy duty shit during high school that this probably gave him a ton of EXP that carried into making him a much more effective and efficient crimefighter post-NWH.
>>155802397Also, having Ned around probably prevented the isolation that would have otherwise caused him to become a potential school shooter like in the comics. Early Spider-Man had a pretty shitty attitude that probably helped caused the bulk of his bad rep. This Peter had a friend and thus he never developed his worse traits.Maybe some might consider that a bad thing, though in fairness, the poor attitude from Garfield's Peter wasn't super popular among viewers during his run, so it's clear that Holland's Peter was designed to avoid that issue.
>>155800340Nah, No Way Home wasn't a spiderman movie. It was a crossover movie, kind of what they want to achieve with Doom but kino
>>155800340cute redhead tsundere/yandere hybrid
>>155797389He should let Mason Thames get the role
>>155797243Jean fell in love with Peter's mind.In a way Peter and Scott attract telepaths easily, it is canon that Emma likes Peter in comics
I really like the idea that Jean was just turbo offended at Pete calling her a monster (Even though she indirectly called him one first)
Why are Spiderphoenix and Malfoid becoming associated with each other
>only 28 minutes of Jean Grey have caused a little over 2 months long obsession over SpiderPhoenix >fanfics, fanarts, seethe, autism >will continue to last for at least a year, even if quietly It's... beautiful.
It's strongly implied that Doom took Peter, so I'm guessing when Doomsday starts, he'll be listed among the missing supers alongside Bruce. It doesn't sound like Jean's gonna have a massive role in Doomsday, but I'm assuming she'll at least be made aware of Spider-Man's disappearance. Spider-Man will probably be one of the main characters of Secret Wars, alongside Bruce and several others. Given that Peter's Spider Sense has been shown give him resistance to both magic and psychic powers, I'm gonna assume that he'll be heavily resistant to whatever brainwashing that's inevitably going to be happening. If Jean doesn't have a big role in Doomsday, then she'll likely have one in Secret Wars.
>>155804966Also, I think that, given Doom being the splitting image of Tony Stark, I think Peter will probably be instrumental in saving Doom's heart and getting him to stop his evil plans.
>>155797124Is she a real lesbian or a Claremont lesbian?
>>155804847Is that screen time just Sadie actually being on camera, or is it counting all the times she's possessing people too?
>Shipping Peter with a horrible telepathFuck telepaths. I have nothing against mutants, but telepaths should have entire Sentinel armadas send after them.
>>155805277Trask...
>>155805376Not Trask. Just a guy who hates Marvel telepaths.
>>155758112I will die for this ship
>>155758112in a couple of years the Peter/Jean stuff is going to be recognized as tons of wasted potential
>>155805902Yup but it's MCU they usually waste potential. They chose Natasha x Banner over Romanogers
AI animated series Anon here. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59JiJyYZ1BEThird and final demo. Given how the production goes, the pilot episode should be released in about three weeks.This time I'm focusing on Alistair Smythe, the main antagonist. Ultimately, it's a love story, and every love story needs an antagonistic force in the form of a rival lover
>>155804847She is amazing! I wonder how it'll go now, I hope they add more Jean x Peter scenes in the future
New peak just dropped/risenhttps://www.reddit.com/r/SpiderPhoenix/comments/1x1b4h8/full_spider_phoenix_family_cycle/
Rewatching the movie and realizing the room Jean was put in at the end of the movie was an enclosure to make Sarah feel "at home" like a fish in a tank full of rocks and flowers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ4an60ZmvcDamn good song
>>155759635I just saw that scene, I wonder why they deleted it, considering Peter is right to call her that, especially in that situation.>Couldn't you have just said that I'll go fight the Hulk and you're gonna go fight the little girl?Because she is either/all of these three:>Underage>Smaller than the rest of the cast>Anyone is a little girl when compared to the Hulk
>>155808293The tonight not have likes the implication of the scene. Sometimes that happens. If you ever see those behind the scenes breakdowns that go really in depth for some movies sometimes they want a specific vibe. The line might have also tested poorly or something. Perhaps someone didn't like that it draws attention on Peter allowing Frank to go after Jean knowing Frank only wants one thing.
>>155808328*They mightNot The TonightAutocorrect raped me
>>155808328>someone didn't like that it draws attention on Peter allowing Frank to go after Jean knowing Frank only wants one thing.I guess that makes sense, considering that the scene replacing it has Peter telling Frank not to shoot her.
>>155808328>>155808386I wish Jean Grey would rape me!
>>155808774POV: There's a THICK MindCock aimed at your Thoughtpussy
Both Peter and Jean are the third Live Action incarnation of their character and the first to be in a shared marvel universe
jean grey's GREAT ASS
>>155805902having the main antagonist of a superhero movie become the hero's love interest, and then lead another completely separate franchise would be an insane move to pull off (and it's exactly the sort of shit that would happen in a comic book), but I know they're gonna miss this opportunity
Reading the fics and I love how a lot of writers just embraced "Marvel Girl"
Schizoid theory by me: 2026 Mangaverse was supposed to be about Peter and Jean, but they changed it to Miles and X23 to include a "timeskip" element since Peter and Jean's stories are done.It's literally a parody shonen story where the symbiote and phoenix force are pitted together, except traditionally Miles has NOTHING to do with the symbiote and X23 has NOTHING to do with the Phoenix Force. These are character elements of Peter and Jean slapped onto them for this exclusive story that just happens to come out right next to BND
>>155809260because it's really funny to imagine murder hobo MCU Jean having such a corny superhero name
>>155804317Something about enemy to lovers and animefying western franchises
Been thinking but I feel like the most logical endpoint for Jean and Peter in the MCU is them falling in love, getting married, engaging in lots of lewd acts, and having two (2) kids. Just hope the creatives at Disney and Sony see it too....
>>155811588>MJ and her new bf get married and have a son named Miles
>Peter and Jean have a son who has natural webs like his dad>thanks to the power of the Phoenix force his webs are stronger than normal>if Peter's webs were wires, then his son's webs are like a thick cable
If Marvel don't wanna do romance, Jean and Peter should be Steve and Bucky of the this new mutant saga. Not the two main characters, but two characters who are often in a 'two of them against the world' situation and always have each other's back.
>>155812225"Spider-man and The Phoenix" would make trillions
>>155812287Imagine the everlasting merch sales
>>155788263Lol, and they wonder why super hero comics are dead.
>>155811588>having two (2) kidsProblem with this is that Comic Jean has 3-4 kids from alt-verses that decided to hop into mainline for shits and giggles.Though, I guess Cable technically exists in the MCU multiverse with no Phoenix association.
>>155813673I don't know a better way to say this but comic Jean is a plot device. She functions the same as Godzilla. Mass destruction, producing babies, inspiring development in the other characters and being eye candy..
>It took marvel over 60 years to make a story focused on the most famous their most famous male hero and most famous female hero (According to google the other contenders are Storm and Wanda)
>>155812225If romance is a no go, at least make them best friends with more “you have me” style scenes it can fuel more fanfics and fanarts. I’m not gonna be up their asses about it if the MCU can write and meaningfully expand on Jean and Peter’s relationship, even if it’s just in the general and platonic sense. They just have to make it compelling and well written.
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>>155814775I think what could work extremely well for Peter and Jean is what is usually called Platonic Partners in TVTrope language. Two people of opposite sex who have the emotional intimacy or closeness usually associated with romances, and the actions they perform for each other can be interpreted as romantic, however there is a clear lack of overt sexuality. No making out, no sex. But in every other way, they feel like two people who belong together.Cap America and Black Widow were the closest example of that in the MCU, but only slightly close. In other fictional works it'd be Sherlock and Joan from Elementary, or the Doctor and Clara from Doctor Who. It's usually considered a very useful trope because it doesn't annoy fans who don't want romance between the two, but it also delivers on most of the emotional moments the shippers like to see.There, Marvel. You don't need to add romance, but you can satisfy the shippers anyway.
>>155816103Yea this is extremely lazy. Also for Steve and Natasha, has to ignore she was interested in setting him up with other women at the start of Winter Soldier. Which means she was rejecting herself as a romantic prospect and settling into 'sister' friendzone. I dont think that should be the direction of SpiderPheonix i think they just defaulted to it out off being non committal and ejecting her out of the plot before more development would occur.
>>155816103the problem comes when the "platonic partners" are a better pairing than their intended love interests
>>155816195Hence why I said Cap and Widow were the closest to the trope in the MCU. I didn't say they were an example of the trope.
>>155810086so this is how i find out that boblena won't be a thing...
>>155816234True... I guess another one is kinnda Drax and Mantis.
>>155816103This only works if the characters both stay single. If you make Jean date Scott or make Peter go back to MJ, the dynamic falls apart.
This is such an elite opening song for a Spiderman moviehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c18iVOUpecI
The Natsu and Lucy comparisons from the earlier threads are actually my worst nightmare. Those are characters who are written with perfect romantic chemistry but never capitalize on it just to leave the audience permanently yearning
>>155817583if Peter and Jean were really like Natsu and Lucy, they would meet variants that are actually a couple in Secret Wars, like the Edolas counterparts
>>155817670The way the multiverse works, there is no way there aren't counterparts of couples like that plowing like animals. They're too close.
I can't help but feel like the biggest reason why this ship is kinda popular isn't just because of the chemistry between the two, but also because Marvel's always been pretty iffy at portraying a compelling relationship between two characters. Like not even in a romantic sense. The friendship between Steve and Bucky always felt kinda bland, so while I did sympathize with Steve's desire to save Bucky, I also didn't really care that much about their interactions. Thor and Loki's brotherhoood was nice, at least after Avengers. Like Thor 2 was a shit film, but the nuances of their relationship wasn't written too badly. Tony and Peter didn't have enough scenes for me to feel that strongly about their whole attempt at a mentor/protege thing. Peter and MJ's relationship was boring as fuck, but Peter and Ned's friendship was honestly pretty nice. Tony and Rhodey wasn't bad, before they basically stopped interacting at all after Iron Man 3.From a romantic sense, I just do not care about the majority of pairings in this franchise. But a hypothetical relationship between Peter and Jean is one of the few that I feel like I could give a fuck about.
>>155817802Yeah you could probably write an essay about how weird Marvel is about Superheroes having friends and family
>>155810086Too much hopium in my veins
I disagree with the claim that Zendaya is a bad actress. It's just that the character she's assigned is horrible. Zendaya can clearly play a cruel and dominant "Jean" Give Zendaya a villain role for once. Her best acting in Euphoria was when she was an unhinged druggie.
>>155818657She's probably not a bad actress, but for some reason she managed to get typecast into a very specific role.
>>155818814Disney channel actress which means studios want her in leading roles
>>155818657>I disagree with the claim that Zendaya is a bad actressI never claimed that (as I've never seen her cat), I claimed that she wasn't as hot as the media says. She wouldn't merit a second glance in most universities.
>>155818657MJ final villain of the trilogy with Hobgoblin Ned as her henchman
>>155819130>MJ likes the Punisher >Studied aerospace engineering (Aircrafts, spacecrafts, but mostly MISSILES because the other two are perfected already) >MJ was happy about the statistical odds of a serial killer in her house>MJ wasn't phased at the idea of getting mouthraped by JeanMJ as next unhinged villain Peter failed to keep track of
>>155819188Would be fun if she was with the Punisher
>>155819351MJ being the Punisher's next gen sidekick wouldn't be bad at all
>>155819393
>>155819518The MCU if it let its characters evolve naturally based on their interactions
>>155819518Now that would have worked so good!
Someone just posted a YouTube video today criticizing the ending and saying Scorsese was right. I wonder if a YouTuber had been in these threads.
>>155818657people literally just wannt comic maryjane and they refuse to do it and she is presented as "this universes MJ" which just makes no fucking sense. And during this same time shes in Dune which people dont like her in as far as im aware as well.
Feels like there's been quite more inaccurate romances or teases in the MCU compared to having comic-accurate ones. Just a funny thing to notice.
I've seen a lot of critique about Peter building an inhibitor in this movie which is funny to me because that was what Peter fucking did in the previous movie . He literally made a bunch of fucking inhibitors like it was nothing all tailored to specific powers and forced it on the villains.
>>155819518Kekaroo
>>155819518Lmao
>>155820712The distinction there is they were specifically tailored to specific people who got their wacko powers in specific ways. The implication was always most of them had already had some sort of cure or fix anyway and the others were one offs.The inhibitors are entirely general purpose and more like the common X-Men "just turns off powers somehow." I don't have a problem with this, to be clear, but it really is a very different kind of thing.
It's nice these threads are mostly MCU discussion threads
>>155822298It functions both as the shipping thread and general MCU thread, with more emphasis on the former.
>the spidey sense is Peter's ultimate defense>it's suppose to protect him from unexpected dangers>it chose to throw him front of a bullet instead of away from it>it literally prioritized Jean's life over his ownIs his spidey sense broken or something?
Pretty sure coming over and seeing your love interest's childhood bedroom is a romance trope of some kind, especially in anime.
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>>155817802agreed
>>155823094why does Tom look constipated heredesu they look like siblings on a timeout by mom
>>155794330>even after the worst most tragic breakup you still end up moving on one way or another after a period of time.That just isn't true, some people spend their whole lives hung up on an ex, "the one that got away". Breakups can stay with people for decades, and this is worse than a normal breakup in some ways. He's fully capable of going to her at any time and starting over, but he's deliberately staying away from her, and seemingly all other women, because he doesn't want to put anyone at risk. He can't get over it because it isn't "over", he has to make the choice every day to stay away from her.Also keep in mind he probably lost his virginity to her and hasn't been with anyone since, she's likely his entire romantic and sexual history wrapped up in one person. Crazy amount of willpower to stay away from her.
>>155797302>I think he had the advantage until the guards with the web-disruptors showed up. That caught him completely off-guard.I really liked this, I hate it when canonically powerful characters get knocked around by henchmen for no reason, like when the Flash decides to fight at normal speed and gets his ass kicked. Having his biggest non-lethal weapon unexpectedly disabled would throw him for a loop, and it also makes it clear these guys have trained to counter him specifically.
Finally finished reading The Curious Case of Jean Grey's Obsession with Spider-Man, after a month of leaving the tab in the background to scrooooooll these threads. There have been six chapters and it isn't even done yet after so long ... baka
>>155823360meager bapsmeager bum
>>155822402>Is his spidey sense broken or something?They were telepathically linked at this point, maybe the spidey sense saw them as one linked "body". In which case blocking the vulnerable body with the super-powered body would make sense as an instinctive reaction, no different than protecting your head with your hands.Or its possible his spidey sense just triggered because there was a bullet heading generally towards him and he chose to tank it. I'm assuming it doesn't just trigger at bullets fired exactly towards him, or else he'd be accidentally moving in front of bullets and shrapnel and shit all the time.
>>155822402If Jean broke something in Banner's mind when she got there, do you think something similar happened to Peter's when she entered it? Especially when she stayed long enough to control his breathing?Imagine if Peter still has his Spider-Sense, but thanks to their mind being connected, he developed a "Jean Sense" that takes priority.It's weaker the further she is from him or smth.
>>155823360SMACKABLE butt
>>155823360noice
>>155823540Jean isn't much better. We need a Sydney Sweeney type to give Spidey the Black Cat he deserves.
Kevin Feige here.MJ will marry Paul.Scott Summers and Jean Grey will be the captains of the X-Men like a work wife and work husband, but will not be a romantic item.Peter will end up teaching part time at the X-Mansion and will spend more and more time with Jean, though it's deliberately kept ambiguous whether it's romantic or not.See you in a couple of years.
>>155805277Based and true.All telepaths are ontologically evil and no act made in opposition to them is unjust.
>>155823841>MJ will marry Paul.I saw someone say that "Paul" could be Harry Osborn, or should be if that wasn't the plan. It'd be a great way to bring him in, they could have Oscorp become a major player in the next movie, maybe a competitor to Damage Control after they get blamed for whole Jean Grey thing. Either Harry gets some nepo baby executive position at his dad's company, or it's a startup with Harry using Norman's money to finance it. Harry goes against Spider-Man because he's trying to stop their illegal shit, which puts MJ in the middle.And name wise he's credited as "The Boyfriend" and no one actually says "Paul" so it wouldn't even be a retcon, just make him Harry.
>>155824098The official subtitles in the digital release call him Paul.
>>155823526Was it any good?
I have a theory.The spidey sense stopped working on Jean because Peter stopped considering her a threat.
>>155824127We're trusting subtitles over the actual credits and IMDB page? His name is deliberately not stated, whoever was in charge of the subtitles made a mistake.>The character's name is never stated in Spider-Man: Brand New Day and is simply credited as "The Boyfriend." However, the film's official theatrically-available closed captioning listed his name as Paul. However, actor Eman Esfandi stated on X that his character is not Paul.I mean if it's so important to you, Harry's middle name is "Theopolis", Paul is a believable nickname from that>"I told my friends not to call me "Theo" so they started calling me "Polis" as a joke, which became Paul"I've heard dumber reasons for a nickname. But they never say the name Paul so it's not even a retcon to change it, it isn't canon.
>>155824304Did he instinctively sense her female pheromones and instead of a threat started treating her like mating potential?
>>155823844Yeah. So far the closest thing to a morally sound telepath (I know it's oxymoronic) is Danny Moonstar but even then I'm probably stretching it.
>>155790634isn't the purple man's rapey element months of literal rape. i vaguely remember the comic
>>155824542Yeah he literally physically raped many women many times for years, if not decades. He also killed a lot of people, or made them kill themselves. Jean's only real crime is making that one guy walk into traffic, and he was probably fine. Also he could have been a pedo for all we know, maybe he deserved it.
>>155824597Jean blew up a bunch of police cars with a tank
>>155824689the reason for that is the original villain of this was supposed to be the chameleon and jean grey's sympathetic backstory got lazily slapped on top instead when sony used him
>>155824689Cops aren't people.
>>155824786I wasn't complaining, I think it's cool that she's kind of a maniac
>>155824356IMDB is a wiki. Anyone can edit it. You can change his name right now
If the credits scroll doesn't call him Paul but the digital closed caption does that means the fucking captioner was having a laugh. Amazing if true.
Just checked. His credited name is "The Boyfriend". The actor says he isn't Paul. The closed captions call him Paul. We have discovered a case of someone fucking around on the job lol.
>>155825998Paul will win MJ and Peter will be alone
Brand New Day >= Homecoming > No Way Home > powergap > Far From Home
>>155826316It's funny how Malfoy is more evil but Jean is more destructive.
>>155826385She literally came and drove a tank through Peter's life. I love Jean so much
>>155826436>She literally cameJean after tricking Peter into kissu
>>155826491Was she gooning while possessing michelle's body?
Did you get the digital release already, anon?
>>155827732Yeah. Unfortunately there wasn't much to hype up. Being able to change the language to Japanese is fun though. You notice some things. Like Peter still uses "Boku" to refer to himself even though he's a grown man now. This means Peter percieves himself a little boyish.Jean uses "Watashiwa" to refer to herself. So despite being younger than Peter she clearly considers herself a woman.
>>155826760why does it feel like this was made by someone who never once clicked on an AO3 link before 2025, let alone FF dot net or LiveJournal.
>>155827990They clearly haven't . Women LOVE making cute lovey dovey stories about the characters. You can trust them to make entire novels about a ship on their free time.
>>155827798>Being able to change the language to Japanese is fun though.I might just buy it for that, then. Mainly because I saw a sneak peek from the JP version where Jean uses the loan word "monster" when talking about Peter's failed attempt with the inhibitor. I wonder if that use remains consistent with what >>155769155 pointed out.
>>155828134Just checked now. Throughout the japanese version it seems like the word "Monster" is still said in english.To clarify, when the characters say "Monster" they still say the english word "Monster" instead of "Bakemono" or something similar. This is kind of significant. I know the english word "Hero" used in japanese normally implies "Super Hero" rather than just hero.https://files.catbox.moe/rjd8xr.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/5bn7yf.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/2ab41d.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/7mc0bz.mp4It seems every instance of "Monster" is the english word except for when Aunt May uses the word "Monstrous"
the second encounter with the neighbor girl is downright torture porn. There is just a girl out there who thought Peter was cute and now thinks he's some kind of gross stalker who rummaged through her clothes
>>155827798Did they include the Japanese song?
grammar kind of changes in the japanese version for obvious reasons i guess>the only hands that will wield this power... are mine!becomes >this power... will only remain in these hands... mine!
>>155828666No, as others have said the other language versions are technically different cuts of the film. The dialogue track is the only one that changes. You would have to purchase a physical copy of the Japanese release of the movie or access it on a japanese browser.
>>155828133Chuds really thought they pioneered Rule 63 of Harry Potter characters
>>155828737I hate that now you have to purchase different versions in different countries to get the full experience. Why can't they just put ALL OF IT in a blu-ray like back in the 2011?
>>155828817If I'm not mistaken, Diskotek is literally the only company that still includes the complete package of language options including the different footage and music changes on a single disc
>>155828666It would be nice to be able to hear brand new in the movie itself but i guess we'll have to settle with imagining it
It's nice to dream and fantasize but I seriously doubt Marvel will actually do a good job with Peter and Jean. Primarily because of the annoying copyright feud with Sony, which will make Marvel unwilling to add Spiderman to Marvel films unless absolutely necessary.
>>155829506Yeah that's the thing. Peter can't have too big of a role outside of movies titled "Spider-Man" which is why he is always just an action setpiece in the avengers movies.
>>155828768Kek
If Peter took a bullet for MJ and then MJ saved his life by breathing in his stead, capeshit fans would call it the most romantic act of the decade and proof of true love.
>>155829813Or if it was Scott who did all that instead of Peter because it's """canon."""
>>155830048Cyclops looks so lame, it wouldn't have hit nearly as hard
What do you think Jean Grey is like in bed?
>>155831186Confident and cocky until you stick it in
>>155831186
>this is how it happened>this is how the Boblena ship died SpiderPhoenix-bros I'm scared but also perplexed.
>>155831186assertive and nonchalant at first. weepy and overly emotional once things get going
>>155831742there's no Venom in the MCU, and this deconfirms the "she's assexual" argument, boblena is far from dead
>>155831742"Spider-man" and "The Phoenix" techincally got treated as love interests in a new mangaverse comic if you're willing to cope with that
>>155831742Least surprising crackship in Marvel
at this point everyone in marvel fucked EXCEPT Peter and Jean Wait... What if Michelle is the *Black* Cat?
>>155832361>What if Michelle is the *Black* Cat?Ew
>>155832361>>155832981Didn't they pull that shit in the Ultimate Universe... no, not that one, the newer one with older Peter that was successful but then got saddles with 616 shit
>>155833178Ultimate did pull some character swapping, like making Liz Allen into Fire Star
>>155833178What, like an actually black Black Cat?
I kinda wanna see what Spider-Man's impact on New York has been from the perspective of other heroes and villains in New York. The fact that he off-screened The Hand all on his own probably gives the other heroes mixed feelings.
>>155833609NTA but yes, Ultimate Black Cat is black. They should have left her hair white.
>>155833828Oh, I thought you meant the original Ultimate universe.
>>155833817Wonder what this means for Daredevil and Elektra
https://youtu.be/oVRusYXlPfU?This video does a pretty hilarious job explaining that Comic Jean was already kind of an asshole She just has Xavier to keep her under control
>>155834103>kind ofRight.
every excuse for comic Jean's behavior is the excuse you would use for a fucking lion. >She doesn't know better>Her powers make it difficult to determine right from wrong>She was provoked So is she not a human being? Did she not have the higher function necessary to assess destruction before she caused it?
>>155834739>So is she not a human being?...no? She's a member of homo superior so weak human notions like ethics and morality don't apply to her!
People are forgetting that mutants aren't considered humans nor do they consider themselves human
>>155825433Do it then
>>155834970How tight is her v-max?
It's funny seeing these completely unrelated ships tied together
>>155836032I don't understand where the potter one came from or why they're related at all to spiderphoenix
>>155836032Kekaroo
>>155836190They really have very little in common. It's a fan AU where Draco Malfoy is a girl. They have very, very little in common at all aside from the tsundere portrayal. Draco Malfoy is an asshole, he isn't on Jean's level of villainy. Before the 6th entry he hadn't committed a single crime in his life. He's just a snotty bully with evil parents. When the time came for true villainy he started crying. Jean would crush him like a potato chip. Malfoy is a sheltered rich asshole who is extremely racist and has a superiority complex. Jean is the *victim* of such fictional racism and has less of a superiority complex and more of an anarchist complex. The "Malfoid" version of Malfoy is an anime tsundere hiding her crush on Harry because of how embarassing it would be to be open about it. We don't know how Jean feels about Peter but the fanon portrayal of her isn't super shy about it either. I'm not sure if Jean fully fits the tsundere trope herself since the whole point of them is being emotionally guarded and terrified of being open. Jean is like that but she was also ok with sticking "her" tongue in peter's mouth and a real tsundere would be embarrassed to do that.
>>155836261tsundere jean comes from the 180 she does from pure spite for Peter, to complete desperation after he gets shot
>>155758213Why is her neck bent like that?
>>155836878v max
>>155836878Typically millennial necks from too much cellphone usage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JNqBamMI94
>>155808293She's not underage, she's roughly the same age as Peter.
>>155831742If you're trying to find correlation in comics for Spider-Phoenix then you're deader than dead. Comics Jean is tied to Cyclops or Wolverine forever.In fact, you can see how, after BND, the only "tie-ins" from the comics were a million Spidey-Punisher-Hulk tie-ins. Not a single new interaction between Spider-Man and Jean. Not even in flashbacks.So forget about the comics.
They COULD do an AU where Peter ends up with Jean just like there's an AU where he ends up with Chat and one where he ends up with Jessica Jones
I'm guessing she had some weak level of telekinesis before, because when her powers fully activated she was using it expertly
>>155837618Agreed would have been fun to watch her moving small coins and other stuff.
It distracts me that in the skype call scene with Yelena, Peter just gets up and leaves the computer with her still in the call and says goodbye. Close the window. Log out of your account. Who the FUCK does that? It's NED'S COMPUTER
>>155837814Peter loves Ned
>>155837882You don't leave your fucking video call zoom skype discord whatver account logged in after talking to black widow on it as spider man what if ned gets hacked
>>155837618Fuck imagine taking off her boots and basking in the stench!
>>155824144It was comedic but it had way too many omake sections that distracted from the main story, and the main plot still hasn't gone anywhere yet.Next on my list is "Come In, Parker" which I've seen consistently included in many people's top lists. Can anyone attest to its quality? It's quite a long fic.
>>155838513Nowhere near as good as "My flat mate Jean Grey"
Cyclops gets cucked again
>>155838591Poor Scotty, then again he might be...well...you know...
>>155838513>omake sectionthis is such an old 2000s fanfic thing to do
>>155837618IMAGINE the smell!
Amy Pascal and Avi Arad are probably unironically your best bet since Kevin Feige can't control their decisions, they have basically been brow beaten by the failure of the Tasm movies into doing what he wants
If you loo closely at the giant scanning device used to force Jean to use her powers, the first shap it makes whenever it starts a pattern is an X
The new BTS stuff confirms that Sadie recorded some of the lines that the people she possesses say, even when the camera doesn't shift to her.>https://youtu.be/S4dkDB2nvUQ?t=292>>155837424Sure, I was just listing all the potential readings the audience might take from the "little girl" usage.That said, there's definitely a gap in their age, as, while both Destin and Kevin confirm in separate occasions that she's similar in age, Destin says she's young enough for the audience to relate, and Sink herself describes her as a "teenage girl, but with a very hard exterior".So, if Peter is in the 20-22s range, Jean might be in the 18-20s, since that's considered "late adolescence" in some definitions.
>>155841335She gives the vibe of a 19 year old to me. Young enough to be inexperienced and ignorant. Old enough to have shed the teenage awkwardness that is practically universal to teens in the MCU (Literally all of them when you think about it)
I might be wrong here since I never see anyone else interpret the movie this way, but I think Jean's scene with Aunt May isn't JUST about hearing encouraging words. Yeah Jean needed someone to talk to, but that's basically a mental recording of May. I think what the scene did for her was show her the sensation of being in Peter's shoes with Aunt May. Unlike her he had a loving "mother". That was taken away from him and instead of punishing the world he punished himself. Jean clearly had access to more memories than that since at no point in the flashback is May called an aunt, but she knew it innately. I think Jean saw how much peter was hurt in his life and how much he perservered through it and couldn't hurt him anymore. It became a clear example to her that there are options.
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>>155841469based
This was unironically so kino. Not the Spiderphoenix we're looking for (And no, he ends up with Jessica Jones, not her) but still
>>155841469We’ve had so many threads hit bump limit for a ship, it’s insane. Has there been any /co/ ships that held a general for this long? Kinda crazy how one movie changed people’s brain chemistry this much.What’s even crazier is that the general hasn’t turned into complete ritualposts yet. There are legit still genuine discussion points that new shit to learn. I’m actually impressed.
>>155841998>>155841469The first few days were wild because several of those threads were hitting bump limit at the same time someone might have screenshots saved but there were literally two threads running at the same time for the first few days
>>155841915>he ends up with Jessica JonesHe probably will once Jean manages to properly solve the Zombie crisis, but both Jean and him are the only survivors by the end of the book.Still, it was incredibly important that Jean was still around, because Peter felt as if he had no one else.
I think it's safe to say Red Band Peter and Jean fucked. Also they both mastered the symbiote and phoenix, I don't imagine they eject those when they fuck
>>155761305
>they canonize spiderphoenix>but only in the Marvel Zombies timeline
>Zombies timeline>Peter and Jean have the symbiote and phoenix and are basically alone together (they fuckin) and happy>Manga timeline Miles and Laura have the symbiote and Phoenix and are bonded. Laura even reincarnates after saying they'll be together forever >BND>Setting up Peter and Jean to have some kind of connection Is marvel trying to set up Jean/Phoenix as the female "Main marvel hero" to counter spider-man as the male?
>>155842022
>>155842711Damn
>mfw MJ Pryor
Ladies and gays, we’ve just hit 40 threads>>155842758>>155842758>>155842758
>>155842711The initial impact of this pairing was really fucking crazy. The first few threads didn't even have catchy titles
