Puppy dog eyes editionPrevious: >>155946691Confused about the Lute!Eve thing? Start here: https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2097058277192528194
>they killed millions
>>156015604Listen it was only a joke ok
>>156015604Thousands, technically.
>>156015604>>156015627>>156015682It's ok because they technically made more.
>>156014497Someone pointed out that Viv apparently liked a bunch of Verosika/Wally art and woah, look what happened. She keeps her secrets on some elements but she doesn't give a shit when it comes to ships.
>>156015747So considerate of them!
>>156015932I had no idea she liked a bunch of Wally/Verosika art! That's genuinely pretty interesting
>>156016011Context matters. If the show is already hinting at a romantic relationship and she consistently likes posts portraying those characters romantically, then that's the intended reading. Meanwhile, her liking fan art of Eve becoming Roo means very little when she's already been open about Roo being the ancient Goddess of Evil. That's a pretty clear example of her simply appreciating the artwork. People keep ignoring that nuance.Same thing with Lilith. Practically everything we've been shown or told about her in the current series points toward her being a cold, emotionally distant mother who may have fallen out of love with Lucifer. And guess what Viv likes? Plenty of Lucifer/Lilith fan art, but also posts portraying Lilith as particularly cruel or dismissive toward Lucifer. Granted, she's liked far more romantic artwork of the two, but given what we currently know, that could probably reflects what their relationship used to be rather than what it is now.Once you recognize that pattern, her likes become fairly easy to contextualize. Yet people look at you like you're crazy for even pointing out the distinction.
>>156015932>>156016011I'm gonna be a complete asshole and say that Viv can spoil her biggest twists and reveals yet the fandom will still ignore that. She can literally leak Lute/Eve's garden of Eden design and people will somehow say that's obviously not Lute and that she looks like Eve because they reused the design.
>>156016108Dude, she literally confirmed that Roo is the Evil Goddess, of which she has spoken about before. Her own admission, she even said she's not a spoiler and that she's talked about her openly before. She even said that she was in the pilot and in the beginning of the series. Guess what? People still think there's a likely chance that Roo is Eve.People in this fandom are stupid
>>156016108If Lute turns out to be Eve, people are absolutely going to claim it was a last-minute retcon and that the Lilith/Eve wife-swap storyline was ALWAYS the original plan. And even if Viv confirms that the story underwent conceptual changes before everything was finalized, which is completely normal because literally EVERY story goes through multiple stages of development, people will STILL call it a retcon. According to this fandom, changing an idea during development is the same thing as rewriting established canon
>>156016137Exactly
Ok guys what do you think the colour of Eve's flesh tunnel was?
>>156016137People are used to either faceless corporate creators who don't interact with or acknowledge anything or meek wet blankets like Gooseworx who say things like umm there won't be shipping so you can ship what you want ok. They aren't used to the showrunner fucking fighting with people on social media over the ships she likes and which interpretations of the material are correct. They're not used to a creator interacting with them and point blank saying they're enjoying the show in the wrong way.
>>156016193White with Adam's cum
I think Hazbin Hotel (and Helluva Boss) might be the first example of a truly 'shipping first' show. Like the creator herself comes from that culture and expects you to be shipping shit and focusing on the romantic pairings more than any other element.
>>156015604It was only 7 years y'know
>>156015563God, I appreciate all the passion Vosk sounds in these transcripts.
>>156016387The bitch cannot hold her tongue. You can tell when she gets actively excited. Look at me in the eye and tell me Lute isn't Eve.
>>156016387Would love to meet her at a con and get something signed some day, I bet she's fun
VOSK has called Lute "THE" villain and a mastermind, a couple of times. If that doesn't scream Eve being a big bad for season 4......
>>156016495>I am the Mastermind, and here I am the law>She is the laaaawww!
Look of pure dread and trauma.
>>156016495Oh look at that, in the leaks. Eve is a big bad. HmmmNah nah you guys. Lute is totes random Exorcist #5
>>156016608Excuse you? She's exorcist number #246769.
>>156016606>kill them all
>>156016608no but see that's what makes her bond with adam meaningful and special because unlike lilith and eve she wasn't forced to be with him! ignore that lilith and lucifer hooking up was acknowledged by heaven in making eve to replace her but no punishment was given to them until the apple incident (AFAIK), and also that eve's entire thing is being given choice.
>>156016451She can sign my Adam-Lute stained glass shirt.
>>156016209To be fair, it's kind of amazing that FUCKING AMAZON is allowing her to do this without burying her in litigation. Imagine if the Rings of Power showrunners were allowed to fight people on social media all day about why Galadriel x Sauron is the hottest ship ever.
>>156016495The standard for being a mastermind in the Hellaverse is really, really, really fucking low if Lute of all people qualifies. I am a "mastermind" by Hazbin standards purely because I would not go about drafting my evil schemes with fucking crayons.
>>156021128How the hell is it low if Lute it's a mastermind. She's a prime candidate. What, you want her to be twirling her little mustache 24/7 or some shit?
>>156021276Bro, Lute spent most of S2 having a mental breakdown, seething impotently and then randomly trying to stab someone when the big cannon was about to blow up. No, Danny Doo-Bad already exists, but I am saying FUCKING PILOT PENTIOUS is a better mastermind than Lute has so far been shown as.
>>156021303There's more than one type of Mastermind, I do hope you know that. Yeah she's throwing a fit because her world is turned upside down.
>>156021377Wait, so according to you, a proper mastermind can be someone who's ridiculously silly and terrorizes people with explosions / weapons, but can't be someone whose rage is so explosive that she vows to destroy all of Hell and who's committed genocide?
>>156021377If your definition of a mastermind is Lute, then I guess the tinfoil hat-wearing hobo at the bus stop screaming about how his ex-wife is in league with the aliens that probed his anus is also a mastermind. I'm not sure how to say this, but Lute is the most pathetic mastermind imaginable in a show where the actual villain of S2 explained his plans to Val and Velvette with fucking crayons just like Charlie for some reason.
>>156021514Okay so indeed, there is only one type mastermind for you. Which is apparently Vox and Sir Pentious. Okie.
>>156021514You know there's different types of masterminds, right.Do you.. Do you not know that or...
>>156021561>>156021580There are, indeed, different types of mastermind. I am just saying that Lute is an absolutely pathetic excuse of one based on everything we know about her so far. Just like, for example, there are different types of demon lord. And, for example, Mephisto from Marvel can't be defeated by luring them onto comically large Xs drawn on the ground.
>Helluva season 3 apparently has a big status quo change>Lucifer feels heavily primed to appearSilly prediction: Imps rebel against Goetia. Lucifer shows up in the heat of it all, shrugs and sides with/snap empowers the imp side, then fucks off back to Hazbin main story. Chaos. Feels like something Viv would find funny and fits with Lucifer's mindless use of godlike power.
>>156016423>JESSICA VOSK: [Reading the screen.] Do I think Lute has sympathetic reason for despising all sinners? Do I think that? Yeah, I do. Why? I can't tell you that yet. I can't tell you that yet.This one for me, man it essentially hints at what we know this all going with deep remorse over the original sin and fall of humanity.
>>156022632No, seriously. That long ass pause? The fuck did she have to contemplate that long for.
>Obviously I cannot say much about potential other members of his family, I will say, but there may or may not be other members of his family that we explore in the show. Shit I was wondering if we would see Cain and Seth.
>But I think Adam, Abel and Lute have some of the best rock voices in the show. Heh, rock family
>>156022632>I think one of my favorite quotes is “I’m here to finish what I started.” I think it’s badass… Carries a lot of meaning for Lute, PS.Like may as well spell it out for us, babe.
>>156015604cuteness
And there. Wow, did I Fortniteanon just read all of Looty's 50 transcripts Google doc? Yes.
>>156025241Your conclusion is?
I like Kitty
>>156025241So, what do you think?
>>156025241Based, you deserve a sticker or at least a victory royale
>>156025360>>156025813I'm satisfied I did, I love when autists deep dive and put together informative docs or analysis videos culminating everything. When I first came here to watch for Charlie, I not only became attached to the cast, but the main pairing that clicked with me was guitarspear instead of Charlastor, so poetic that /co/ actually turned out to be hetero angels general when it came to discussion and it's telling since it's hard carried what's essentially one of the hidden in plain sight reveals coming. I first approached this as some agenda but I'm sold and don't really think it's a rabbit hole necessarily, it's sitting there cooking. People that aren't buying it you're right it's mostly denial centered on shipping like guitarspear that hate Lute!Eve, Holybaldes, Morningstars dindus, etc. but being here for almost a week now and reading a lot how fanon clings to its headcanons ignoring Viv or flat out dismissals it doesn't surprise me.
>>156026311Unfortunately or maybe fortunately I mostly play for locker appeal and am in fact awful but I have fun. I never thought Tim Sweeney would pursuade to give this show a chance but I'm happy this collab did. It's going to be a ride.
What if Adam was distant with Eve at first because he internalized everything Lilith yelled at him before she left about not touching her, not bothering her, leaving her alone etc. And poor little Eve craves his love and attention and doesn't understand why he seems so afraid to touch her.
>>156013975Hopefully Wave 3-4 include /ourguy/ Adam too it can work they put fat dudes in Fortnite before. I would assume Wave 2 would be more hotel residents then they'll do villains bundle like Vees and our favorite duo.
>>156026397There are things that aren't even in the document yet (because Looty deserves a vacation): for instance, the director's commentary on the blu-rays for Season 2:>Skye (Animation director on Hazbin): "It's almost like Vaggie did that too. Hmm. [...] Heaven's just like 'We can just move on because it's happy time. Everything you've ever wanted is here.' Heh, & Lute's like, '...not my dead husband'."
>>156017705THERE'S NO REMEDY BUT TO BURN THEM ALL
>>156026640Like for fucks sake the amount of insane cope takes I've seen that try to dismiss the "husband" are insane.
What's fatter his gut or her rump?
>>156021106Amazon doesn't give a FUCK. Look at what they're selling along with the official merch. This is their own IP
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>>156026736His gut's fatter but Lute's ass is underrated. She has the exact same build as Vaggie but nobody seems to notice
>>156026768The fuck lmao
>>156016276Or at the very least it's the first one to strip out all pretenses and wear that on its sleeve.
>>156025485Wonder if Val will replace her with a roboglitz/glam
>>156026736They're literally built to slot together like Lego pieces. Her rump supporting his gut. Pure architectural genius.
Found this AU where Loona's a 'heaven hound' and Lute (yes, that's Lute) raised her
>>156016276Viv is a self-admitted romance writer. Why do you think both shows fantasy worldbuilding isn't all that great? I hope when the Hellaverse becomes a franchise multiple fantasy writers better the worldbuilding.
>>156027162
>They're making a whole fan animationBased autists
>>156027158I love Hellaverse worldbuilding as someone who consumed a lot of amateur online worldbuilding projects from Deviantart and similar platforms back in the day.
>>156027264Ah, so nostalgia? (not trying to be a dick here btw.)
>>156027372Yes! Very much nostalgia. It scratches an itch left by that kind of project. I was a big Homestuckfag too and Hellaverse is also reminiscent of that but more specifically of the better written Homestuck fan comics and fictions of the early 2010s that focused mostly on Alternia and less so of modern Homestuck.
>>156027153>>156027162>>156027168Damn Lute just can't escape the mother allegations.
