Boil in the pot editionPrevious: >>155888741Confused about the Lute!Eve thing? Start here: https://x.com/lutesaurus/status/2097058277192528194
My horse is amazing
At a convention, Jessica and Kevin were asked about their characters’ backstories, and the host actually had to cut the conversation short by bringing up their NDAs. THEY ARE HIDING SHIT ABOUT LUTE. I swear to God, there is something about that woman's past they do NOT want us knowing yet (we know what, but shh fandom wants us to play dumb)
He’s so FAT in this picture! Woof!
>>155946875He's just chilling with his wife.
>>155946906While she's cooking something else for him to eat.
>>155947194She loves watching him eat.
>>155947218Who wouldn't? He can put all that stew away and then some.
>>155947254Imagine how HUGE and SLOSHY it must get.
>>155947526Basically her waterbed.
>Then The Speaker Of God and Collette grinned at each other. “You’re such a dirty pig Lucifer,” the Speaker murred in lust. She staggered up, still just bred, and gently pushed Lucky onto the bed. Then several huge tubs of ice cream were rolled into view. Lucifer raised an eyebrow then smiled, “You ambushed me together. Dirty pool you two……I like it.” Collette linked a big speaker with her phone, and “Dirty Bird - Feedee Edition” began roaring loud enough to vibrate the air. “You’re fat Lucy, BUT NOT FAT ENOUGH, BROODMARE.” For once, the Speaker Of God revealed her full perverted side.
You gonna eat all that anon?
>>155946853Undoubtedly. And we already know Baxter's story more or less so it's not his.
>>155947697Eat it all, you sexy pig.God imagine pouring whole tubs of ice cream into his mouth.
>>155948220How does he eat with the mask on?
>>155946691>Confused about the Lute!Eve thing? Start here:You know they're never gonna actually read that
>>155948393Literally magic
>>155948488Hey at least they can't say "Where did that come from? It doesn't make any sense?".
>>155947544She loves how soft and warm it is.
>Rosie tells Alastor he needs to get fat to obtain power>She’s just thirsty and wants him to become BIG
>>155948556And she completely corrupts Alastor into becoming a fat tub.
>>155946691This show is highly satanic because it has DEMONS anmd HOMERSEXUALS
>>155948588Nah
>>155948488At least a small percentage of people might start there before asking questions.
>>155946691>Hazbin fans are also fatfagsOh brother.
>>155948954Adamfags are at least.
>>155949087And Abel fags. Plus the five people that like Mimzy.
>>155949279>the five people who like MimzyThey exist?
>>155950003They exist. Some people just like fat bitches.
>>155950183
Hello
>>155950494>ArtistSo when is this guy enrolling in Adamverse Academy
>>155950494Imagine if that was Cain
>>155950494Hi, Screencapsis.
>>155950729>Adamverse AcademyPlease don't remind me. Hopefully S3 makes that guy fucking drop that shit.
>>155951547Not likely, hahaha
>>155951591Really? I kinda hoped the influx of "Adam with his wife" art and fanfics would kill his interests.
>>155951738They're into Flowertunes too but it's an OC Eve of course, albeit not a terrible one as far as they go. I think they'd adapt to this plot twist. What they won't adapt to is Adam being fat.
>>155951799>They're into Flowertunes Wait what? I thought it was exclusively Adam gay selfcest with this guy. That's a shocker.>Adam being fat.He probably won't be fat in Eden and maybe post getting kicked out of Eden flashbacks. So he'll at least have that.
>>155951887Nah they just don't think any of the characters are good enough for him. Flowertunes Eve is an OC as always so she's different.
On the other hand they did draw a melodramatic comic about Adam dying alone at the hotel battle, completely writing out Lute's part in that scene, so maybe they won't adapt
Is there anyone here that watches Hazbin but not Helluva?
>>155952193Not quite the same thing but I haven't watched the new episodes yet. I'll get around to it but since someone confirmed there's no Hazbin stuff in this batch it's just eh. I'm not invested in any of the characters.
>>155951941Let's be fully honest most Flowertunes Eves are basically OCs at this point. It's most of the time a case of "what woman do you want Adam to bang?". Like it's pretty funny when people make Eve either Lute 2.0 or Lilith 2.0 when the ogs exists.
>>155951547That shit is so cringe.
>>155952273They are either self-insert OCs, or they are the Roo/Lilith-clonee Eve people
>>155952193I watch Hellva out of obligation because I know there will be crossovers eventually. Its writing, characters, and music are ass compared to Hazbin.
>>155952434It is weird how much better the music is in HH when they have the same songwriters.
>>155952407You forgot the rare case were Eve is just some bitch who acts exactly like Lute but the two are separate people (usually because Lute is based on her).
>>155952487It's weird how much better everything is in HH when it's mostly the same people.
>>155952487Because they have the specific outline, probably. I recall in a recent interview, Sam and Andrew said when writing Valentino's part in "When I Hear About The Future", they double-checked with Viv, and they didn't interpret his intentions/characterization correctly, (apparently they were way off) so they had to completely redo it. I get the impression they don't do that as much with HB
>>155952514I think those are just the Eve/Roo people. I know some people on this thread have been saying that in their perspective, the Eves that some people draw resemble Lute, in a vague sense, but admittedly I haven't seen any
>>155952599There's a small handful of genuine Lute!Eve artists where the Eve is actually supposed to be Lute, picrel is one.
This is good. This would've redeemed the show. Guitarprincess is justice.
>>155952784The show is already good and Guitarprincess is generic hero x villain
>>155952664>>155952718Never seen these ones before.
>>155952718Poor Eve
>>155952882>>155952895>>155952913Is it just me or is her hair very reminiscent of Lillith's in this edit. Almost like she's a second pass at the concept of Eden woman.
>>155953010It's not really a secret that she has the same hair tuft as Lilith, in the back of her head. And she has highlights.
>>155953024I was mostly referring to how she looks with the blonde colouring. It just looks very similar to me.
>>155953055I'm all for her being Eve, but the hair and the eyes and stuff, all that is design/stylistic elements that Viv reuses constantly in her shows. Plus, the Eve silhouette doesn't have that hair tuft.
>>155953024>>155953088This is the kind of thing that is hard to consider evidence on its own but if the theory is confirmed real it'll definitely be seen as a hint in retrospect.
>>155953195True true, I can agree with that
>>155950085Mimzy is repulsive but I would go to town on Emberlynn Pinkle, it’s not a question of weight
>>155953479She's HB exclusive. We were talking strictly HH.
>>155952567>>155952487HH follows musical rules, characters state their feelings, desires, motivations, etc., with musical accompaniment and absolutely no diegetic justification. Helluva Boss is trying to put diegetic songs in, where the narrative explains why music would be present. There are only a small handful of true “musical moments” in HB (all involving Stolas) and they tend to be the best songs in the show.
>>155953564Not my fault the only chubby chick in HH is a 2 foot hook nosed 1920s flapper shrew
>>155953571octavia's song is my favourite though.
>>155952193That's me! I can't stand Helluva Boss and how it thinks it's this deep, serious, emotionally complex drama instead of hot garbage. Every character is either a loser, annoying, despicable, or all of the above. For all the shit talk about how Hazbin is the devil and has the worst writing known to man, the show itself doesn't take itself that seriously. Vivzie has said it, and it's very true: it's a wannabe classic Disney musical for adults and set in hell, and has the whimsy and plot conveniences of those movies. The lack of seriousness makes all the Vivzie bullshit tolerable, as the very show is not expecting you to take the drama that seriously and just have fun with it.
>>155954464What was wrong with the Chads? They technically didn’t do anything wrong.
>>155954742They facilitated some awful drama.
I've got a “trust me, bro” source that adds a little more fuel to the alleged "Adam and Eve future villain couple" spoiler: apparently, there's more guitarspear merch on the way, and they're nowhere near done with Lute in the merchit's happening guys. slowly but surely.
>>15595476Totally Stolas’ fault, not theirs.
>>155952193Me. Hazbin has enough going on lore and plot wise that it's still interesting to see where it goes even if very few of the characters grab me (at least some do, unlike HB). There's nothing to enjoy about Helluva Boss when you don't care about any of the characters because the whole thing is character drama with the weakest plot and lore background possible. And I've seen enough of it to know that I either dislike or just don't give a shit about any of the characters.I also think it has a much stronger concentration of unfunny Viv humor vs Hazbin plus significantly worse music, so it's just all around not for me.
>>155954919If they make more hetgem merch and it's cute enough I'll buy it.
>>155954919This same source allegedly also said that some fans are really good at pining down the twist/theory.
>>155946691Her skin is very cute and detailed, so I'm going to give this show a watch after years of being put off by it. I like Charlie because she's a Disney princess trope of old that even Disney is subverting now. I miss when main characters looked at the bright side of things. I'm not a shipper, so I'm hoping the romance isn't too central in the overall plot, I can stomach the gay men, heavy curse dialogue, and I'm interested what this show's lore has to offer. Might check out Boss too for Loona. So, I'm going in with Charlie as my favorite and I'm expecting to come out with the same mindset. What am I in for overall?
>>155954919So we’re getting Demon Adam?
>>155955270No idea. But we are getting more.
>>155955242>What am I in for overall?Mediocrity and catchy songs. It's a turn off brain kinda entertainment. You'll like it
>>155955242If you like Charlie going in you'll probably continue to like Charlie coming out. Enjoy it. We really, really like the villain angels here but there are other threads across 4chan that have more focus on different characters too.
Cool so the angels are basically Vought or a commentary/deconstruction on being celebrities which The Boys did with superheroes.
>>155955736They are basically my pookies.
>>155955242Charlie’s naive optimism gets the better of her judgment quite often and you might get annoyed with it, but at least so far the optimism hasn’t been beaten out of her, things seem to go her way in the end eventually.
>gay sex repulses charlie She's just like me frfr
So far Charlie, Alastor, and Angel Dust are my trifecta.
Ironically the homo content here feels easier on the eyes than other shit that shill it. Charlie and Vaggie aren't in your face and it's well established. Not a fan of Vaggie and she's mostly an orbiter but I appreciate how casual the relationship is. Angel is also just comedically exploitative where I'm just entertained by the charisma rather than looking away.
>>155957698>the real reason why she's pushing for redemption is to get the gays out of her kingdom and let them be Heaven's problem insteadBased Charlie
>>155959114Many people are saying this. There's more yaoi drama in Season 2 but nothing anywhere near as egregious as Helluva Boss which is significantly more obnoxious.
Be honest, do you think Viv will finally give Charlie some real character development and a genuine personal victory, or will Season 3 just be her doing one stupid thing after another to learn the same lessons she’s already learned, while yet another character (Vaggi, Alastor, Rosie, Lucifer, etc.) ends up actually resolving the situation in the end?
>>155937447No way
>>155962695I think she'll do one stupid thing after the other and nothing will get resolved because we need to build tension for S4. Like I could see her being a complete moron and pissing off Eve so hard she decides to murder EVERYBODY.
>>155962695I have no doubt that Charlie will definitely do at least a couple of stupid things, but thanks to how hard Viv has tried to make us believe that the third season will be a turning point for Charlie, I have a glimmer of hope that Viv will do something at least a little different with Charlie than she has in previous seasons. If she just keeps doing stupid things so that someone else can save her again, then I’ll have lost all hope in Charlie as a character.
>>155962809Charlie won't be able to fix Eve anyway because she isn't Adam's penis.
>>155962858It's not really a matter of fixing but more just not poking the hornet's nest. Like it's obvious she can't calm her down but shutting the fuck up and not doing anything that might make the angry unstable grieving woman blow her fuse is the correct strategy. Especially if there's a chance your parents have been feeding you their slightly biased but definitely not "theatrically adapted" version of the events that transpired. Just a thought.
>>155952487The first song of HB S3 was literally an intentionally bad rap done by fucking Smosh. It boggles the mind who thought that was a good idea.
>>155962695It was already confirmed she's going to act stupid, that she has a long journey ahead of her.
>>155962858According to the old leaks, Charlie graciously 'forgives' Eve for her sins, most likely with a musical number. At the very least, I want Lute to throw in a good punch, like Spinel did to Steven: "You can't just fix everything with some stupid song!" or idek something before the MLP friendship shit. Then we get Roo.This will all probably happen in season 4 btw
>>155955242Charlie received a lot of slander from retards during S2 because they don't understand her character, but if you're not retarded, it should be fine
>>155956666Quad Satan confirms
>>155962969There has to be more to it than that, right? Viv wouldn't really be that stupid to have the main character of her show spend 60% of the entire show being a complete useless mess who just makes things worse, would she?
>>155963014Dude, it’s her self-insert. Erika, her VA, literally said Charlie is going to regress emotionally “in a sad way” because of Lilith and push people away. So yes, she’s probably going to spend a good chunk of this season acting mostly stupid again. I think it’ll be closer to the end when we actually start seeing her WANT to change. Erika also said something along the lines of “Happy Day in Hell” being mirrored by whatever song Charlie sings in Season 3, (or it'll be the same song) except in a very different way. So basically, SOMETHING is going to fundamentally shift for Charlie and her entire outlook by the end of the season.My actual guess is that it has something to do with the Lute/Eve reveal, which would make sense considering they establish a rapport between Lute and Charlie literally within the first episode of Season 1. Erika and Jessica even re-enacted that interaction for a TikTok back before Season 2 was announced. There’s also the visual parallel during the opening narration, where Charlie and Eve’s silhouettes directly mirror one another. If we’re going by the leaks, Charlie and Eve’s stories eventually collide anyway, so having Charlie’s major emotional shift happen alongside whatever is revealed about Eve would make a LOT of sense.Also, duh, Gravity: "The princess has to pay / you think your Hell's great saviour?" etc
Anyone else want Angel Dust to become an Overlord so he can FINALLY have real power? And yes, it does create its own problems when he drives off Valentino and seizes control of the Porn industry.
>>155963062What's wrong with a character's flaw being that they are just really stupid?
>>155963311Heck doesn't Val call Charlie a bimbo?
>>155963311It gets boring when you repeat the lessons they need to learn and they just don't. Is there a REASON she's stupid?
Big dick Adam left too soon.
>>155963338yes, she's been described as a naive nepo-baby that doesn't really understand what it's like to be a sinner by viv herself. i think it was in the commentary for s1?
>>155963311I don't want to see a character make the same mistakes every season, especially when that character is the protagonist. So far, Charlie hasn’t literally accomplished anything; all her victories are due to someone else saving her butt, first with Lucifer defeating Adam, and then with Alastor causing Vox to lose his popularity. If the third season can once again be summed up as her acting like an idiot only to be saved in the end by someone else, then she’d truly be one of the worst protagonists I’ve ever seen in my life.
>>155962695Charlie will continue to be cute.
>>155962989Yeah, she's still my favorite not subverting what she believes in thus far. I don't think I'll ever hate her for her top-tier look alone too at that.
>>155963110Would be neat. I like seeing Hell's villains much as I like Heaven's.
>>155963374>lucifer defeating adamincorrect, charlie called lucifer's attack off. niffty's the one who killed him. if it weren't for charlie we'd have never seen adam's final smile at lute so everyone be grateful.
>>155963431>If the third season can once again be summed up as her acting like an idiot only to be saved in the end by someone else, then she’d truly be one of the worst protagonists I’ve ever seen in my life.If it weren't for Viv, you mean.
>>155963374Well, we already know she’s going to regress emotionally and start pushing people away because of Lilith. The way Charlie behaves actually lines up remarkably well with how children raised under constant pressure and emotional neglect can develop, especially when they’ve spent their lives trying to meet expectations while receiving very little emotional support themselves. Fandom doesn’t seem particularly receptive to that interpretation, but given what Erika has said in interviews, I really do think Lilith’s influence is going to be a significant factor in Charlie’s behavior. I’d be SUPER intrigued if the writers actually explored that relationship in any meaningful psychological depth, particularly how it might have shaped Charlie’s emotional immaturity, desperation for approval and difficulty handling conflict. That said, I’m certainly not holding my breath. I wouldn’t excuse all of Charlie’s stupidity or poor decisions on that basis, but I do think it could explain a great deal about why she behaves the way she does.
>>155963338>>155963374Strangely, an idiotic character that never learns could in theory work in the Hellaverse since it's a comedy that features mostly villainous characters but I doubt Viv could pull it off. I'd watch the shit out of a show like that if it's good.
>>155963455given the self-insertion viv as charlie facilitated the most obvious evidence that adam genuinely cared about lute.
>>155963489Any character archetype can work if it’s well-written and entertaining to watch, and that’s the problem with Charlie: even if you try to view her characterization in the most charitable light possible, it’s very mediocre, bordering on bad, and worse yet, she’s simply not entertaining to watch on her own. Charlie isn’t really a character that most of the audience finds charismatic like Vox or Alastor; they’re fun to watch even when they’re being total assholes, whereas Charlie, at her worst, is simply insufferable. There’s a reason why I’ve seen even her biggest defenders admit that several of her scenes in the second season were hard to watch.
>>155963529Exactly, because Charlie ISN'T written with that sort of intentional comedic framing. We’re supposed to sympathize with her, take her seriously, and ultimately remain on her side, even when her behavior becomes frustrating or downright insufferable. Her “flaws” are presented in a way that encourages the audience to feel sorry for her rather than genuinely question her judgment or become conflicted about her actions. The intended reaction is “Aww, poor Charlie :(” instead of “Okay, I understand where she’s coming from, but she’s actually being incredibly unfair here.” That’s where I think the writing does her a disservice, because there’s giving a character flaws and then there's actually allowing those flaws to meaningfully challenge the audience’s perception of them. It’s a similar problem I have with Stolas, where the narrative seems so invested in maintaining our sympathy for him that his shortcomings rarely receive the same scrutiny as those of the characters around him. I don’t necessarily need Charlie to be charismatic in the same way Vox or Alastor are, but I DO want the writing to trust its audience enough to let her be genuinely wrong without immediately cushioning the consequences or steering us back toward feeling bad for her.Intentional or not, she DID come across that way in the pilot and I will die on that hill. Charlie in the series is much too self indulgent.
>>155963575It doesn't help that Viv refuses to accept that perhaps the way she wrote Charlie makes it understandable that a good portion of the audience is starting to dislike Charlie (most likely because Charlie is her obvious self-insert and Viv doesn't want to admit that she has quite a few negative traits). Just like with Stolas, Viv seems to believe that if you don’t feel sorry for Charlie and are completely on her side, you’re an unempathetic jerk, rather than accepting that she made mistakes in how she wrote both characters and that she needs to improve in the future.
>>155963363He Will return. Trust.
>>155963630If you’ve listened to that part of the Season 2 commentary where she scoffs at people criticizing the way Charlie treated Lucifer, I think her reaction is pretty telling. Whether or not you agree with that particular criticism (when Charlie bitches at Lucifer for trying to show up Vox), the way Viv responded really stuck with me. She is VERY protective of Charlie, to the point where she seems personally bothered by audiences interpreting her behavior less charitably than intended.Lucifer may be Viv’s blorbo, but Charlie is her kin character.
>>155963675Viv is generally almost completely unable to take criticism well; she tends to take even the mildest joke about her writing as a personal attack. I haven’t forgotten how she blocked a fan not long ago and made passive-aggressive comments about her just because the girl made a little joke about how all of Viv’s Hispanic characters always have the sound of a spanish guitar in the background.
>>155963706BUENO
>>155963675to be fair lucifer babiers are fucking annoying.
Remember to vuy the Fortnite skins
>>155963957To be even fairer all Lucifer fans are fucking insufferable.
>>155964259To be fairest I will commit genocide in Minecraft on the /co/ anons if Radioapple becomes canon.
>>155964274Eh why? It's not like we somehow made it happen. We just accept it's happening and don't give a shit about it. It's literally a case of "Faggot Yaoi deer clown couple making out while intimidating mother of humanity is looming in the background". We only give a shit about the mother of humanity part.
>>155963422I was thinking more anti-hero wild card.
>>155964274Take the ribpill and you'll stop caring about such trivial matters as whether or not radioapple happens
>>155964251Can't believe there are fujo fans who went out and bought fortnite just to play with the skins.
Manifesting Radioapple into existence with my menstruation curse passed down from Eve herself.
>>155954919The influx of Guitarspear merch can't mean nothing when Viv and crew have said a bunch of times they want to avoid ship tease in merch as much as they can if it leads to nothing.
>>155964715Don't do that. You'll anger the trash thread bunch. You'll be left alone because you're a woman but they'll rape me.
>>155965525All moids should carry anti rape spray while manifestation work is ongoing.
>You only want Lute to be Eve because you ship GuitarspearReductive>You only want Lute to be Eve because you ship RadioappleVery very very very very funny
>>155965956How does the second work exactly?
>>155966509It doesn't but I think it's funny anons have complained about us 'shipping Radioapple' more than once now.
>>155962695Yes, she'll get development in 3. Charlie can only move forward for real when Lilith is back which I think is why they didn't know what to do with her in season 2 except a smaller version of what will be her season 3 conflict. Now she can actually come into her own.Plus Erika saying she'll seem very different come end of season 4 in at least one song.
>>155962979I mean, did we need leaks to know that would happen re: Eve? That's always how this was going to end. I'm sure she'll find a way to get Roo back under control with the power of friendship too. Magic friendship cage!
>>155967262Blah blah blah, Viv's likes me nothing blah blah blah, but Viv did like a post saying that Charlie's main purpose with the whole redemption is because of her mom. So I think a big move for her character development would be to realize that her mom, and Lucifer but mostly Lilith, isn't this grandiose good person that she idolized her as. She has to come into her own and start doing this because she wants to, not to fulfill some self-imposed destiny to get Mommy's attention.If that's what they're doing, then the whole thing with Eve being Lute would be a really good way to shake that up.
>>155963014I don't know, writers who aren't that great at writing will often have characters regress development then repeat it in a different font because they don't know what else to do with them.But Charlie is also a tricky case because so much of what she has to do is learn about and digest other characters' stories. Which makes it really easy to make her too reactive as a protagonist. It's why I think she'll have some Roo juice in her because she really needs a personal stake in the wider framework of the story beyond who her parents are and a goal of trying to fix broken things unrelated to her beyond her last name because she's just such a goody two shoes.
>>155963575Yeah, I'll admit, there were a few times I thought they were doing interesting character work with Charlie and her flaws only for Viv to make it abundantly clear that she didn't intend for things to come off that way, admit it was just a bit that didn't land right, justify Charlie, or soften/defend her. So my takeaway was I was giving Charlie too's writing far too much credit and she's less interesting than I thought.
>>155963675Viv tends to take the most ridiculous versions of a genuine critique and pretend they're the core of those critiques in order to shut them down, I've noticed. The reason most people were annoyed at Charlie in that scene wasn't because she isn't allowed to be mad at Lucifer, but because she has absolutely zero leg to stand on screaming in someone else's face like that for a mistake when she'd been messing up all season without anyone blowing up at her like that. She gets angrier at him than pretty much anyone else and takes the chance to heave all the blame on the two people she thought wouldn't push back at her in order to relieve her own guilt. This is a very human thing to do, but it is a shitty impulse. Let it fucking stand as a shitty impulse, Viv!And one would THINK that was the point! It's good character work that Charlie has less good will to spare for Lucifer for than anyone else, even the worst of Sinners, even if it sometimes and makes her look hypocritical. Lucifer's mistakes are actually a personal hurt for her while everything else is abstract, and thats great tension for a character who is called out multiple times for wanting to do everything but practice what she preaches and confront her own family issues.But Viv has gone in full defense mode in later commentary on that scene and makes me think what I thought was buildup on purpose and a harder look at a character simply wasn't. Which is boring. And even if it was purposeful, I can see her softening everything Charlie from now on as a reaction to the fandom. She has a history of that, looking at Stolas. Which is boring x2.
>>155967313>Magic friendship cage!Unironically how the horse show series finale ended
>>155967684Honestly, I wonder what Viv even considers a character arc. In the comments, she said that Vox will be the character with the second-most arcs, surpassed only by Charlie, but Charlie hasn’t even had a real character arc yet. Even if she finally gets one in Season 3, that would only mean that, at best, she’ll have three character arcs if she also gets one in Seasons 4 and 5, something I really doubt, given that Viv obviously doesn’t know how to make proper use of the few episodes she’s given.
>>155969317Cat
What /co/ material that isn't Helluva Boss or Homestuck is worth watching/reading during the Hazbin season hiatus?
>>155969374more /a/ material but if you want a musical melodrama with mildly biblical set dressing look no further than dance with devils. the dub does its best with the songs, bless it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOqcomPzVrIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL501MsQLD8
>>155969374The Secret of NIMH 2: Timmy to the Rescue
>>155969374space king
>>155969659Funny enough the scene in the first episode where Space King talks to each of the squad members individually would work for Ray (or the goddess of good) talking to the 4 Eden idiots.>Adam gets told he's a good boy >Lucifer gets told his ideas are great >Lilith is promised a castle of pure isolation where she won't have to interact with anyone who annoys her>Lute/Eve gets called a worthless piece of shit
>>155970129Why is everyone so mean to Eve?
>>155970484The OG scene is each character having their own personal views reinforced. Lute/Eve hears Ray calling her a worthless piece of shit because she suffers from extreme guilt and self hatred. Ray realistically wouldn't call her that. Same for the other three. They just hear what they want to hear.
>>155970484she got tricked into eating the forbidden fruit
>>155969659>>155970522Your Space King intrigues me.... I will watch this
>The Speaker of God grinned, pouring ice cream tubs by the GALLON into Lucifer’s open greedy mouth. “Broodmares shouldn’t be small, Lucy,” Collette cooed, diving under his gut. Lucifer gasped as he felt her start using her mouth so lewdly on him. But he kept gulping down as much ice cream as he could, his gut swelling up.
>>155970817When will the director's commentary for this marvellous story be published?
>Tfw pulled a Bowser fidget popper in my kinder egg
>>155970998Depends on if 4chan archived the tale. If it has, I can eventually begin talking about it. Right now I’m trying to maintain momentum.I got the next day of VICTORY ORGY 2 to cover after this. And it will be even more chaotic than the first day.
>>155971424I.e Adam and Lute step up since Lucky Lucy got knocked out of the race along with Angel Dust.
>>155970484No idea.
Viv is liking art of Roo that has Charlie's dog-nose.
>>155972871She is absolutely Charlie's mom, you guys. This fandom needs to stop playing dumb. Fuck, I wouldn't even be surprised if, like the pilot employee suggested, Roo is the reason Charlie is able to exist and maybe that's why Lilith has always been distant with her Remember how Erica said that all Charlie has ever wanted from Lilith is her attention and affirmation?? Yeah.
This song is soooooo ribrock xoxo ignore that it's horseshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0BVoayPBU
>>155973020How do lucilith shippers cope with Roo as Charlie's mom theories?
>>155974096There's a couple variations. I support any. I do doubt that Lucifer would shag that unless she took on Liliths form. I think what could be a little bit more likely, or I guess the preferred version is that, Charlie is in fact their child, however, Lucifer and Lilith made a deal with Evil to have Charlie in the first place. So in that instance it wouldn't be her daughter, but there would be that shared connection, which could also be a valid reason that Lilith was always distant from Charlie.I do know the LL shippers cope by saying that if you hate on Lilith this early in the game, you're a misogynist because we don't know anything about her. Fuck with the VA said, I guess. Her VA straight up said that Charlie has wanted her mom's affirmation, attention and affection, which means she never got those things growing up, and that she regresses like a sad child. Add to that, Viv liked a couple of posts regarding Lilith and Charlie, one of which saying that Charlie keeps fucking up her own dream of redeeming sinners because she's doing it for Mom's approval. Lilith really fucked Charlie up. I think everyone is hoping for the best and thinking that Lilith did this by accident, or that she didn't mean to come across so cold. I don't argue that she needs to necessarily be the most evil thing on the planet and held no love for her child, but I do think that she was extremely cold and distant. She probably didn't know how to raise a child. So who knows how far Viv is going to take that. Either way is good for me I guess.
>>155974322If Charlie is Viv's self insert and Viv's parents got divorced then uh.... it's not looking good for Lucilith. >I do know the LL shippers cope by saying that if you hate on Lilith this early in the game, you're a misogynist because we don't know anything about her.Oh yeah, because she's a big feminist symbol and all that despite usually being portrayed as a rapist and baby eater.
Lately Vivzie has been liking a lot of posts to the effect of being disappointed in her fans for considering Millie's motherhood arc anti-feminist, saying that this is Millie's choice and women should be free to have choices. Makes me think that if Lute is Eve her relationship Adam will be portrayed positively because he is her choice.
>>155963675>>155963706>>155967684https://x.com/Rominati_/status/2111890385605697662>Blaming people for not being le true fans She's never going to change, people have pointed out her defensiveness towards constructive critique since the days of Zoophobia. What irritates me is her prancing around saying she totally likes valid critique when the reality is "all critique makes me feel bad and I never like it so none of the critique is valid" . HB is crashing and burning as we speak and if Hazbin does the same, she will have no one to blame but herself for indulging her worst impulses.
>>155974096I think it's common to think Roo (and/or Eve) and a deal with her had something to do with Charlie's birth. I have seen Lucilith shippers/Lilith fans get bitter at the idea that Lilith wasn't ever pregnant with her, though. Something about sidelining her very critical role as Charlie's mom.
>>155974322If there's nothing weird about Lilith, something definitely made her more bitter as Charlie got older. Based on the portraits and how they changed, anyways.It could also be something of the opposite of feeling distant from Charlie. There's also the possibility that having Charlie could have inspired Lilith to get much more hardliner toward Heaven. Brought out that old anger in full swing as she tells herself she's finally fighting their oppressors to open up her daughter's world. She thinks she's doing what's best but it's opening up old wounds and bringing out the worst in her. Just as having Charlie likely brought out the worst of Lucifer's fears of being nothing but a curse on who he cares about, leading him to accept not being in her life. Can't fuck up if you never try and he's the king of giving up.Then again, that wouldn't really explain why she agreed to go to Heaven. Unless she really did have some master plan. In any case, there's a couple directions they can take Lilith that account for what we know. But the goofy loving mom who is justified for everything and who we can't side eye for her parenting decisions clearly won't be one of them. The show isn't making her seem questionable on accident.
>>155974096>>155974551From what I've seen not well or not even react at all because they reject the idea on principle. A lot of them ignore any evidence their ship might be complicated or end badly (divorce) and seem to believe it's Viv's darling Hetslop(which isn't the fucking case if it competes with RA while Adam X Eve is perfect hetslop because it isn't sabotaging her Yaoi).
>>155952193I really liked the first season of Helluva but the second season lost me somewhere along the way
>>155964251Why do you think I watched the show now?
>>155955306Yeah, it's highly entertaining and the whole cast ended up working for me even the orbiter but she's my least favorite. I wouldn't say mediocre but I watched it at the most don't think too hard or question the fast pacing just enjoy it.
>>155974512>"all critique makes me feel bad and I never like it so none of the critique is valid"I think I would respect her if she actually just said this. It's not like it's an inhuman response or anything.
>>155965956>Opinions on anything in the fandom always come back to retarded shipping warsHas it always been like this? Regarding "Lute is Eve" specifically, its' advocates run the gamut of what they ship, but its' critics tie it to stereotypes of shippers they don't like. Why is that? The theory itself would and should only really upset Holyblades shippers (on account of their ship being incest, lmao), or are there a lot more Holyblades shippers out there than I was aware of?
>>155976636Lute is Eve doesn't just upset exclusively Holyblades shippers .Some GuitarSpear fans want the dynamic between Adam and Lute to be specifically third times the charm and assume Nr1(Lilith) and Nr2 (Eve) were complete bitches. Lute being Eve changes that.Most Flowertunes fans either want their version of Eve to be true or at least expect her to be a nice wholesome lady who's isn't on the same level as Adam. Lute ain't that.Some people really hope the heaven Lilith=Eve theory is true because it helps their narrative (Lilith being the perfect mom who never did anything wrong and everything was Eve's fault).Same for some people who glaze/believe the Morningstars never did anything wrong. If Eve is Lute and not some random bitch or Rosie who kisses the very dirt the Ls walk on that means their favourites aren't perfect which makes them angry.
>>155975743It's still so funny that Lucifer and Lilith might divorce and Adam and Eve might get back together.
>>155977158The Lucilith fans will rip their hair off from that but at the end of the day it makes sense. Lilith and Lucifer had issues in their relationship which the show hints at. They didn't split up because they were separated by some external force. Lilith left by her own choice and remains in heaven because it's her choice. We see she chooses not to talk to Lucifer and Charlie. We literally see that happen in real life. If a couple breaks apart and if one member doesn't miss the other or feels the strong need to get back together that relationship is usually over. Eve still cares about Adam and the idiot probably still had feelings for her but keeps that shit hidden because "feelings are gay" macho nonsense. If Lute told him the truth they would have probably gotten back together.
>>155977284That and even though they're 'split up' in a technical sense Adam and Eve are still glued together and seem to do everything together. She may be doing a whole secret identity thing but she can't seem to stomach being away from him for very long. Lilith on the other hand hasn't seen her husband in 7 years and seems to be fine with that.
Was it worth it?
>>155977425It's going to be.
>>155977425For her? Probably not.
>>155976713All fair points, and while I don't really countenance wife swap these days, I can at least see where they're coming from in terms of both the general theory and regarding the Lute-Eve stuff. It's just that most of the criticisms I encounter of "Lute is Eve" come from people who tie it into some retarded shipping gripe they have more than criticising it based on its merits.
>>155974512Imagine if the show takes a nosedive in quality because of this resulting in the show being cancelled and Viv getting blacklisted in the industry.
Dunno if I want to watch HB anymore after that episode 3, it's just infuriatingly disgusting
>>155978382I'm only watching it to get the illustrations on the church mural and as a distraction until we get Hazbin. Anybody know how many episodes does this season have?
>>155978382It doesn't show much of anything so I don't really care. I was expecting a porno when I heard people complaining about it.
>>155978390They're milking the show now so the current episode count is 100. There is also going to be actual porn. Run while you still can.
>>155978382i'm watching it for hazbin crumbs, octavia and stella and that's it. i must know how the story ends for my bird girls, i don't really have any positive or negative feelings about stolitz itself; the mess is entertaining but i'm not really invested in either of them as characters.
Is Adam a plot to make women into fat guys?
>>155978463That is not Adam.
>>155978463what's wrong with his teeth?
>>155978872Couldn’t find pic on short notice.
>>155979026Just use this
>>155974417Viv is the kind of feminist who thinks that just being brash and masculine to prove you're strong is its own form of internalized misogyny.She thinks that you can be a pretty girly-girl and still be strong, which makes her a thousand times more based than trannies.
>>155979522I'm a bit afraid the trannies will try to claim Lute/Eve because she's abrasive and strong but maybe it won't happen because she's tied so closely to Adam. The GOAT(Adam) seems to give them the ick.
>>155957698Based
>>155978382What a pussy.
>>155979716Nah. Cut him some slack. There's only so much yaoi slop you can consume before you get sick of that shit.
>>155979452How much ice cream does he eat in gallons?
>>155979625Viv already gave them their token self-insert with Millie's "sister"
>>155980328You think those greedy fucks will be satisfied with just that?
>>155979625Nah, Adam and Eve got their examples of masculinity and femininity from the animal kingdom where the male is flashier and colorful and the female is smaller and duller. To them it probably just feels like the natural order of things. Adam himself wears a lot of ribbons and dress robes in merch and he's still a 100% confirmed straight cisgender man. Women like that if your woman is a bird.
I've seen some takes that Lute is too small to be Eve but if you think of them as like bird people, which visually they are, they're a perfect little male and female matching pair.
>>155981135Looty actually covered that and made a good point. It's very schizo, but if you squint, Eve is sitting in that first frame, and then when Lucifer is giving her the apple, she's technically standing. Unless she turned her upper body 160° while sitting. She's shorter than Lucifer
>>155981225Cute little wifey made small for easy handling. Shes the reason we're not all Adam giants.
>>155981038>>155981135>>155981225>>155981335>Just saw Adam with a 5'6 subservient rib woman instead of a dust giga stacy like myself >The Garden of Eden has fallen >Billions must eat the forbidden fruit!
loonas voice actress is hot
>>155981406>left her husband for a different guy>got upset over her ex-husband moving on to another womanWhat the fuck was her problem?
>>155981799Buyer's remorse.
>>155981799She acts like she wouldn't be as offended if Eve was a carbon copy of her( she still would be salty and pissy but pretends that would not be the case) and that her main issue is Eve being small and subservient (it isn't).
>>155982014
I was looking for this one specific animatic of Lilith on Reddit the other day but all I found was testimonials from guys who say they've had demon sex with (non Hazbin) Lilith IRL. There's a lot of them. What a slut
>>155982113There is an entire subculture on 4chan that claim to summon and fuck Succubi. Apparently a lot of Succubi are trannies according to one poster.
>>155980360I think they won't be satisfied until they're all dead
>>155981586Look at that chub
>>155981927Thing is I wonder after a while she reached the conclusion that Adam wasn't that bad. Probably not during Eden and only after being in Hell for a while. Like he had his issues but they were apparent. She knew quickly what she getting into unlike with Lucifer where his flaws became apparent after she was permanently stuck with him.Side tangent but there's sound advice in seeing a person at their worst if so you know what you're getting into. If you only see them at their best and when they're happy you might be completely flabbergasted when they become problematic or how they react to complicated scenarios.
>>155979716What do you mean? What's the point in watching a show if it makes you hate its main characters?
>>155982533>Side tangent...Speaking from experience, anon?
>>155983041Just advice I heard.
>>155983632Dude use the catbox. Posting this stuff directly usually gets you banned.
>>155983641im behind 7 proxies
>>155983665Damn
Looty gotta be careful you don't shit on Lilith too much or her SPIRITUAL LOVERS will be mad
>>155984784I know I'm playing with fireeee but they have no leg to stand on honestly. So annoying
>>155984963Now she will never sleep with you on the demon plane and grant you sexual powers
>>155984985How will I ever live.
RIP Lute
>>155979452Came in expecting Charlastor to be the one I vibe most with but I honestly didn't get the appeal actually watching them, so I'm suspecting it's largely a yume thing. Chaggie is bland too, though because Vaggie's just an orbiter. I ended up liking Emily/Charlie just because they're similar but Guitarspear honestly takes it for me genuinely good shit.
>>155985129Guitarspear is cute and well written. Are you the noobie? Did you watch Season 2 as well?
>>155985129Charlastor is a holdover from the days when only the pilot was available and fans thought it might be a thing but when the full show came out there was nothing, also the creator actively hates it.
>>155985323Exactly. The accidental chemistry they had in the pilot was really cute though.
>>155985405Gonna be honest, I didn't really see the chemistry.
>>155985452That's fair. I personally remember liking it, and I could see why people shipped it. But now knowing the full context and such, it was probably just seeing things that weren't there, as fandom does.
>>155985530i wouldn't say 'weren't there' because alastor was actively being as nice as possible to get on charlie's good side by charming her, but people took it at face value and think he's a lot more benevolent than he actually was/is.
Babe, wake up, Alex Brightman wearing official guitarspear merch: https://x.com/WitchDoll09/status/2112684391055135167
>>155984963I'm glad you pointed out the pilot Lucifer thing because I've seen so many people act like Lucifer wouldn't get negative assumptions like Lilith does if they switched places because he's a man and I was always like...that literally did fucking happen in the pilot era?? And nobody had a conniption over it nor did they feel the need to soften the shitty cold parent assumptions or theories because we hadn't officially met him yet.
>>155986676He knows what's up.
>>155985164Yeah, I'm the one that dropped here after Tim Sweeney convinced me to give the show a chance when I fell for Charlie's skin. Ended up very entertained and the cast is mostly solid. The orbiter though, I wish Viv went with a different draft I'm sure she had a lot of concepts. Emily is a cuter angel design-wise and Lute is both cute and pure sex. About to finish S2 this week actually. I also bought the rest of the item shop bundle may as well. >>155985323I could see why she despises it but the established couple doesn't do it for me either mostly because I don't think highly of Vaggie, design I already said but identity-wise it makes sense for her to orbit Charlie as she's the one who saved her after exhile but they're about serviceable maybe it'll grow on me, I don't mind them but Vaggie has nothing else going for her identity-wise currently.
>>155986881Awesome, glad you liked it. The next step should you be brave enough is diving down the Lute Is Eve theory rabbit hole.
>>155986881>>155986936I'll spare you the horror of the Google doc, and just let you know that: 1) Lute's voice actress softly confirmed that Lute is Eve 2 years ago, on Twitter before deleting it because NDA. And then more recently, in the last month or two, at a con where an attendee told her of her suspicion that she is Eve, and Jessica fist bumped them. She's also gone on record to say that Lute is not "who you think she is".That's it. That's literally all you need to know. This is coming from your local Lute / Eve schizo, Looty. Nice to meet you. Don't go down the rabbit hole.
>>155986936I'll support the agenda.
>>155986998Nah, give me the doc, I'm curious. I read a whole Mike from the FNAF movies is Michael doc before FNAF 2 made them both separate characters.
>>155987112Well all right, don't say I didn't warn you. It took me forever to put together. If you notice anything off or weird, let me know. Here's all that's been said about Lute from the VA, Viv, the crew, etc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xg0RTG7jLUT8vCj7SoZE5PgAdVXE_LTbyAbeKcGKLrQ/edit?usp=sharing
We back
Helluva Boss doesn't even have a plot at this point
>>155988316Imagine having to suffer through Stolitz drama just to get a view of those Lucifer and Lilith murals.
Fucking suffering. The Hazbin stuff is like they're jingling keys in front of us.
Aaaaand people are saying Lilith in the Helluva Boss murals must be Eve because she's shown with an apple
>>155988916Who kidnapped them?
>>155989372Rival pirates... Not sure if it's funnier if it's the Hazbin ship or the Vees
>>155989359We all knew that was going to happen. When the more obvious takeaway is that she was the one that actually gave Eve the apple I'll keep saying it until I'm blue in the face: Lilith is shown to hesitate in stepping toward Eve in the opening. I don't know what that means, but it means something. It could mean she knew something wasn't right with the tree, it could be an indicator on how fabricated the story itself is, as in, maybe that's where the white lie came in about who actually gave Eve the apple, it can be an indicator on how nervous Lilith was, it could mean literally anything but it means SOMETHING
>>155989532Watch Lilith be a total shit when we finally see her.
Looty can you summarise your recent findings? Seems we got some new stuff.
>>155989999>quads confirm
>>155989359You know I have this insane feeling that people will keep saying Lilith is Eve even when she will show up in S3 because she will have a scene were she talks nicely about Adam or doesn't say anything bad about him which will make people go "oh that's obviously Eve and the real Lilith is actually Rosie because why would she be nice to Adam?" only for the show to drop even more Lute=Eve hints culminating in the big reveal that Lute is Eve near the season finale.After everyone gets over the shock they will ask themselves "Wait a minute. Did Adam have the opportunity to bag both bitches and did nothing?".
>Lucifer's GoochWhat does Viv mean by this?
>>155992194I guess if one of the two Ls gave birth it was probably Lucifer. That man was proudly showing his baby bumb.
>>155992269So does that mean that Lucifer is also Abel's 'mother'?
>>155992350I don't think so
Everyone in this thread needs to get down on their knees and thank Amazon for tard-wrangling Viv's autism, so we're not having to suffer like the Helluva fandom currently is.
>>155992656Only if it turns out that Lute is Eve. Wife swap is something that I could definitely imagine babe wanting at first, and a24 had to give her a different idea. Just like the situation with Adam.
>>155990687Which ones, dear? Everything new I find I tend to put it in the Google doc. I don't have anything new pending? Just the transcripts for the Blu-ray commentary I guess, is all .
>>155992674The stuff with the Lilith mural and possible speculation surrounding it
>Lilith is relaxing when suddenly Roo shows up>She tells Lilith that the time to collect her debt has come>Lilith's normally composed and Queenly demeanor cracks >She begs Roo to reconsider with tears in her eyes >Pleading she will anything just to be spared >Roo cruelly scoffs and pulls out her instruments without a care for the queen's sorrow ...>Lute arrives to discuss her deal with Lilith >She suddenly stops in her tracks upon noticing the sheer butchery in front of her>She suddenly remembers her own terrible experience with her mutilation >Lilith is trembling like a leaf while sobbing uncontrollably >Tear mixing with her ruined makeup yet unable to deviate the beholder's eyes from the ruin she has suffered...>Lilith now has a BOB CUT.
>>155992724>The stuff with the Lilith mural and possible speculation surrounding itI know about as much as everyone else does, dear. People have been pointing to the rose thorns and hidden eyes in Lilith's mural as evidence that she might secretly be Rosie, Roo, or even Eve. The apple and serpent imagery has also led some to speculate that Lilith herself might actually be Eve. Personally, though? I think Lilith was the one who gave Eve the apple in the first place, or at least the person who orchestrated the whole thing. I've noticed a few other people starting to entertain that possibility as well. That said, I do think there's some validity to the Rosie theory, particularly when you consider the older leaks. What I'm curious about is how they'd actually integrate that revelation into the narrative, especially since the employees involved apparently only said they THOUGHT Rosie was Lilith. That's important because even they didn't seem entirely certain. Then there's Viv's comparatively more recent statement about Lilith being a fallen angel, which, assuming that information still holds, could potentially lend some credibility to the separate theory that Rosie is a fallen angel herself. And THEN there's that other alleged leak from a work chat claiming that “Eve & Rosie are connected.” Now, if Lilith really IS Rosie, and Lute is Eve, that connection could be explained by Lilith having been the one who gave Eve the apple. All that could fit together, imo. I do find it funny that the fandom keeps assigning Eve's identity to practically every mysterious female character EXCEPT Lute, who is actually the most likely candidate.
>>155993369Do you have a screenshot with the mural?
>>155993435https://x.com/RA_Endgame/status/2112885087691788458/photo/1
>>155987205Very well put together. Surprising amount documented backing this. Finished season 2, going to go back and watch again for details. Getting Valentino main antagonist of S3 vibes from the finale. Angel getting that focus after stepping back a bit this season. Very interested what's Heaven going to be up to too and Lute's definitely in the backburner for now.
>>155993561>Valentino main antagonist of S3 vibes from the finale.Yes, it was confirmed that he is the main for S3. Vel is for S4.
>>155993573Bet free our boy. Vel I'm pretty surprised if she can carry a main antagonist role having no connection to any of the cast. Gravity is also my favorite song now.
>>155993470I find this really funny because it's classic lovable RA fan missing the mark.They assume this is Eve instead of the more helpful, accurate and ship supportive notion that the one that gave Eve the apple or at least had the idea for giving Eve the apple was Lilith. That Lucifer took the blame for her and suffered a gang initiation beatdown from the Elder Angels for her. That he had to deal with sinners because of her idea. He had to be banished eternally into Hell because of her idea. He has to be blamed for everything because of her.They somehow miss that Lilith is the queen because she's the Cuckqueen who gets double cucked by the Bob Cut Bull Alastor and Bob Cut Cow Lute/Eve respectively.
>>155988316I thought it was just for Hell world building and Loona eye candy.
STORM'S COMIN I CAN SEE THE CLOUDS
>>155993896NO RUNNIN'S GONNA SAVE YOU NOW
>>155993896>>155993907
>>155993695It's just so... confusing how anyone could ever see that as anyone but Lilith. She's wearing the exact same outfit with the exact same horns we've always seen Lilith have.
>>155993917Adam likes Lute's sweaty pits
>>155994059It activates his breeding instinct. He just smells sweaty wife and gets ready to put her in a mating press.
>>155994100Imagine the smell
>>155994117PURE SEX
>>155993917>pogchamp
>Gravity required all the best animators they had and Viv needed to oversee it so it would come out perfect and exactly to her vision>Brighter was practically vibecodedYeah mhm
>>155994448Lute is just random Exorcist #34809 guys. Lilith is Eve. Obviously. Come on, guys.
>>155994457The assumption that Lute was a fan favorite bit part they decided to expand upon is just wild. Not to mention all the armchair detectives on Reddit who genuinely think her arc is to kill Vaggie and prompt Charlie to kill her in return.
>>155993695What I don't get about this is if Eve impersonates Lilith because she hates the Morningstars for ruining her life in Eden why is she sleeping with him for 7 years (or however many) when she could be seeking out Adam. Like why is she subjecting herself to all the people she hates!? It's nonsensical.
>>155994505Reddit is hilarious because all their takes and speculation are completely wrong. Super excited for S3 just to shit on some fucks.
>>155994533>It's nonsensicalExactly. Which is why Lilith=Eve doesn't make sense. It's literally a byproduct of people trying to have their way with the story and ignore obvious hints.
>>155994457Which is why so many of her current ships die or get completely nuked because they assume the wrong shit. Even GS is affected by this but it will have the fastest and most successful recovery out of all of them.People don't understand she's not some 20 year something barely existing angel (Fallenwings and Emily X Lute shippers are really crutching on this) she's the MILF of MILFS. Even the GILF of GILFS. This woman is mature. She has adult children. You can't eat her out without somehow tasting a combo of Adam's saliva and spunk with has permanently stained that place.
I enjoy how Adam, not Lucifer is the classic horned devil figure who tempts (very likely) Eve to do bad things and is her sole supporter in this patriarchal society that keeps walking all over her. It's a total subversion and probably completely intentional
>>155994595Lucifer seems reduced to goofy dad that tries and makes mistakes. Like I'm pretty sure Lilith is completely done with the guy (despite the delusions of Lucilith fans).
>>155994593>You can't eat her out without somehow tasting a combo of Adam's saliva and spunk with has permanently stained that placeUnnnnnnnf
>>155994538>Reddit is hilarious because all their takes and speculation are completely wrongMy speculations are also completely wrong, but they have some basis in reality. Reddit's speculations leave me wondering if they even watch the same show.
>>155994593>People don't understand she's not some 20 year something barely existing angel (Fallenwings and Emily X Lute shippers are really crutching on this) she's the MILF of MILFS. Even the GILF of GILFS.Hell yeah,>This woman is mature. She has adult children.Preach, borther,>You can't eat her out without somehow tasting a combo of Adam's saliva and spunk with has permanently stained that place.what
>>155994632Reddit inherited the Larp crown after the great migration of the larping fandoms. Yes. They do not watch the show.
>>155994625>>155994639Listen if you want to taste Eve you have to accept the Adam aftertaste. I'm not making the rules here.
>>155994657Anon is Stolas writing his latest erotica
>>155994728Nah. I was mostly trying to transmit the massage through vulgar means that you can't have Lute/Eve without Adam. They're way too intertwined for that. Most people try to do that currently (to varying degrees of success) but the moment it's revealed she's Eve you can't pull that stuff off anymore.
>>155994759And it goes vice versa too, it's why he can't get his dates to stick around long and why Adam larpfics where she barely appears (of which there are many) are usually nigh-unreadable and OOC.
Adam and Eve getting cast out of the garden
>>155994777Yes. Both are technically a byproduct of lack of knowledge and not connecting the dots yet. Post reveal we'll probably get more accurate fanfics surrounding the two.The most dubious we're gonna get being just the fanfics where they're just the unabashedly good guys (but then again you can pretend it's literally just Adam and Eve being delusional about their activities and exploits).
>>155994804WTF I believe the "Lute is Eve" theory now!?
>>155994804Thing is I do think Adam was probably all grumpy towards the Angels to show his dissatisfaction for how they treated Eve and because they forced her out of the Garden. With Eve probably following his lead and mimicking his expression.
>>155993907>>155993917AND HARD RAIN IS GONNA FALL DOWNLIKE GRAVITY LIKE GRAVITY I totally didn't botch that the first time lol
>>155994961
>>155994970
>>155994983That image will never not be funny to me.
>>155994777Holy triplets of truth
>>155995344Lute/Eve is pregnant with triplets?
>>155995399>dubsIn the timeline where Adam lived, that would be how we'd find out how she wasn't like the other exorcists.
What if the reason Lute was able to rip off her arm is because she gave birth to so many children that most pain doesn't faze her.
>>155995344>>155995399>>155996000>>155996044So many digits. Truly, this is a blessed thread.
>>155995399Probably happened at least once.
>>155996308Statically I'd even say more than once. It and having twins did probably cause her to panic initially (yes I know some versions have Abel and Cain be born alongside a twin sister each but I'm not sure if Viv is doing that. She seems to be going for son Nr1, son Nr2 and just the parents).
>>155996385Adam on the hand is thrilled that his dick's extra awesome
>>155996398and that his wife's extra pregnant
>>155996398He was probably surprised that getting double kids was a thing but probably just thought it was cool at the end of the day.
Guys this is genuinely frying me. Like I'm giggling like a retard. Is Lute/Eve the first white woman? Was Adam a victim the alluring power of white women.
>>155996433Well she did show up with a white woman jumpscare in Hear My Hope.
>>155996433>Vincent Whittman in mixed>two short tech support men in South Asian
>>155996518Honestly I'm more confused about Adam, Lilith and Abel.
>>155996622West Asian is just a new politically correct way of saying Middle Eastern. OP of the chart clearly isn't a Lute=Eve truther.
>>155994595I'm genuinely wondering since Viv sanded so much of Lucifer rough edges till her product was a smooth round bean if Adam is supposed to be closer to a devil equivalent(obviously not reaching into Roo's job of being origin of evil and great adversary territory)? Like he kinda steals a lot of mythical Lucifer's shit and does it better compared to HH Lucifer. Has the horns almost constantly. He's more antagonistic and weirdly enough has more prideful vibes. He loves rock. Looks more inhuman with his mask and between the two of them has the more monstrous and intimidating design. Seems to be the one encouraging Eve to do evil shit. Is technically the one punishing sinners and deriving entertainment from their suffering. I'm genuinely curious what his dynamic with Lilith is? Like if they revealed she somehow liked him more I'm gonna be convinced Viv decided to swap some elements between the two of them.
>>155997080Actually you see Lute/Eve is actually the first WHITE WOMAN. Adam and Lilith are technically brown (despite the fact they're both pale af).
>>155988916Adam looks here like Sinbad from the DreamWorks movie (named the same).
>>155954919That sounds like bullshit, so I believe it since Vivzie made the absolutely nonsensical decision to turn Vaggie into an angel purely because she liked a fan theory from the pilot's debut. She would ABSOLUTELY come up with some excuse to give the VAs work to sell plushies.
>>155997190Hazbin Adam might not be The Devil but he's definitely A devil. An archetypal heavy metal devil too.
>>155997316Yeah that's what I'm thinking.
>>155997350And his prototypes were draconic. I think Viv was planning this subversion for a long time.
I hope we see more of Dragon Adam and the thought and design process behind it in the artbook.
>>155996433>all east asian characters are schizos or abusive assholesWhat did Vivziepop mean by this
>>155996433>the Speaker is undecidedYeah, sure, bro
>>155998662Not my list. Found it and wanted to laugh at the insanity.
>>155998662What is this comment supposed to imply?
>>155998162You know in retrospect it's really obvious that Viv decided the nicknames for Adam and Eve should literally be Dickmaster and Dangertits. Like it's very much up her alley.
>Lilith wouldn't let the Goetia act like thatLilith oversaw the entire violent slave owner-based power system in the Pride Ring and, based on how the Overlords like and admire her, evidently wasn't really trying to stop them.I don't know where the good benevolent socialist queen Lilith thing comes from.
>>155999273Lilith "feminists". They and Lucilith fans will delude themselves into believing this woman is perfection incarnate and can't do no wrong. They're also Adam's most larping slanderers.
>>155999387Lilith the 'feminist icon' who's famous for... raping Adam and eating babies...
>>155998162>She sucks dick and he eats pussyhehe
>>156000189They probably invented 69.
>>155999459To give her credit where credit is due she probably didn't rape him in HH. Yet.
>>156000284If she hasn't done it yet in the Hellaverse she's not going to get a chance now without Lute/Eve doing some terrifying medieval torture execution thing on her ass.
>>156000354She might not rape him but I'm still unsure what their dynamic is. Could she try and honey pot the guy?
>>156000402He's dead.
>>156000453Hypothetical for if we ever get Sinner Adam.
>>156000402She's not going to get a chance to do something like that either without Lute/Eve going medieval torture execution on her ass.
i want to have sex with vivzie
>>156000654Ok
I love art of Lute doing knight-in-shining-armour things for Adam like kissing his hand and that one where she buys him a bunch of flowers
Jessica Vosk made a Gravity AMV???????
>>156001066She made a little edit. Not that big of a deal. She also clipped that one section in an interview she did, where she talks about the song.
>>156001133It's cute as fuck. What a nerd
>>156001147Ok but why?
>>156001147This is the Hazbin Hotel thread. Helluva Boss has its own threads
>>156001164she needs more
>>156001191Not sure if we can contribute chief
>>155994533iirc a lot of people assume that part of the eve impersonation twist also has her hating adam and she was letting someone else take him out to make exacting her revenge on heaven easier. this often pairs with the 'rosie is eve!' twist because she helps charlie so readily with the fight against him (and explains why she doesn't show up herself because he'd recognise her), planning to double-cross her later. or something. idk i'm fully lute-evepilled now all other theories seem so small. >>155997190this makes me want an adam version of lucifer's chunk of vox populi where he gets to be the real motherfucking king of hell.
>>156001267>hates Lucifer>hates Lilith>even hates AdamWhy do they want her to be such a hateful cunt?
>>156001267Adam's the king of sinners at the very least. No Sinner descends from Lucifer
I can't believe that retard Eve would give blow her Lilith disguise by wearing the wrong necklace. Rookie mistake
>>156001463Because she can't be good unlike the queen of pure positivity and wholesomeness that is Lilith. Yup. That definitely makes sense.
>>156001643Son...
>they just power of friendship away the Big Problem at the end of s02I don't get it, I think HB is great but HH just constantly misses for me. How do you make a fight between heaven and hell feel less consequential than gay owl drama? Then again I'd imagine a lot of people feel the same way, just with the shows swapped around.
Gotta wonder if they're throwing in genuinely meaningless details like Lilith's necklace because they know Jessica blew it already but fans have latched onto the wife swap thing. Keeps the mystery going a little longer.
>>156001789>Then again I'd imagine a lot of people feel the same way, just with the shows swapped around.Oh absolutely. Helluva Boss has like zero stakes for me.
>>156001789>How do you make a fight between heaven and hell feel less consequential than gay owl drama?Because to Viv, yaoi comes before everything else.
>>156001793The fandom genuinely can't comprehend a woman having a nice selection of jewellery. Like she's not a starving Chinese farmer. What is this "you can only have only one necklace"?
>>156001848The weirdos that unironically try to powerscale HH ignore that fact. Which is insane to me.
>>156001789Not to be a huge glazer, but, Sam Haft did talk about this, and it's not the power of friendship, it's.. fuck, I forget what phrase he used, but it's hell coming together to defeat a common enemy. They don't remain friends afterwards and there's no expectation of camaraderie because of this. I know, I know technical details and all that. Just saying.
>won't take responsibility for Sinners because they're not his>won't take responsibility for Goetia because uuuuuuhh uuuuhhhhhhh he doesn't careLucifer sucks
>>156001793I think it was just a conveniently timed chain of events. Alleged former employees leaked information to spite Viv, except the unfinished version of her overly complicated story, before A24 helped refine it. That outdated information gained traction and became gospel within the fandom. Jessica then spilled the beans, but nobody paid attention because everyone was still fixated on those leaks. Meanwhile, Viv simply took advantage of details that were already there, knowing the fandom would interpret them through the lens of those outdated leaks anyway.
>>156001937You don’t understandHe’s sad about his wife leaving himNo wonder Satan claims to be in charge
>>156001937Literally this
>>156001961His "wife" who by his own admission might hate him. Like damn my dude what did you do? Was Adam actually a chill guy or were him and Lucifer just a couple of beers away from "Heh. Women." talk?
>>156001961At least Satan is upfront about making a bunch of slaves he can mistreat. I have no idea why they still worship him though.
>>156002028Adam's wife doesn't even hate him so by all accounts he is winning.
>>156002028>Like damn my dude what did you do?be a manlet
>>156002028Obviously the second. Did you or did you not forget how he spoke about both his own wife and Adam's wife?
>>156002028given the goetia became an aggressively patriarchal society content with marrying their offspring off for political gain and forcing them to birth the next set of heirs, and the goetia are meant to be lucifer's favourites...
>>156001937>the leader of the pride ring is too prideful to take responsibility for his mistakesI won't mind it if we weren't supposed to go "Aww, poor baby" to him.
Remember when fans were speculating there are so many bird Goetia because Lucifer is so fond of birds and they make him feel at home?Notice how many deer Goetia there were at Stella's party?????
>>156002096I don't think we're supposed to, given Viv's reaction.
>>156002083They aren't just his favourites but his direct creations as I understand it, at least in the same way Satan created imps and Bee created hellhounds and whatever.I wonder if the Sins are technically Goetia, the oldest and most powerful of the bunch, as they are supposedly his literal direct creations.
What if the promised Hazbin crossover moment in Helluva Boss is Lucifer showing up to officiate Stella and Stolas' marriage in a flashback and not doing anything about how much nobody fucking wants to be there including the bride and groom. Then he watches some of the wedding guests kick the shit out of an imp server just for fun, chuckles nervously, and doesn't do anything again
>>156002290Alternatively Stolas prays to his god daddy Lucifer for guidance, he shows up and tells him to keep being a rebellious dreamer who gets his holes filled at his ex boyfriend's apartment every day
>>156002065This does make me wonder. Did Lilith stick this long besides Lucifer because she wanted to or because she had no other options? She seems to have left the moment she got the opportunity.Like I know you could assume the same about Adam and Eve but after a figuring out the ropes she could have left if Adam was too much. She seems capable enough and while he's a big guy he's not exactly essential or has godlike magic powers so she could probably survived solo. She also still obviously likes the guy and funny enough seems to be the more skilled of the two.If Lucifer was banished to hell alone and Lilith was left on Earth with Adam and Eve would she still look for him if she ended up in Hell? If she died and went to Heaven would she even bother with Lucifer's existence?
>>156002346PEAK FORESHADOWING
>>156002290it wouldn't fit with the timeline since that would make octavia only seven years old but >the priest at the wedding gets to the 'if anyone has reason to object' part of the ceremony>sudden violent slam at the door>both stella and stolas have the same hopeful look on their faces >'HELP ME! THE ANGELS ARE COMING, GIVE ME SANCTUARY-'>a scream and several exorcist blades are shoved through the door, then pulled back out>blood flows out from under the door>priest: ... ANYWAY.
>>156001897I guess that makes more sense, it's just damn weird to see Valentino joining in there. Guy slapping Angel around last season was the most uncomfortable scene in the entire show, his ass should NOT be mingling around nonchalantly
>>156002633>his ass should NOT be mingling around nonchalantlyBut anon, anyone can be redeemed.
>>156002633I mean he couldn’t fly away so he had no choice but to help
>>156003246Fack
>>156003421He loves his ribs.
>>156002369She could have existed in Hell and ruled Sinners divorced from him long ago if she wanted. She's likely very powerful and it's not like he'd do anything but be sad about it. She didn't lack opportunity to not be with him.
>>156003943He nibbles her ears and leaves lovebites on her neck, murmuring how much he loves his ribs.
My friend has this stupid God complex where he must always be right but he's more often wrong. In this case he fervently argued that season 2 came out in 2026 and there's a larger delay between seasons 1 and 2 then between seasons and the upcoming 3. Now he's sitting here mad and seething because I proved him wrong with 3 easy ass google searches, I love it.
>>156004670Is your friend a fucking schizophrenic?
>>156005763Sera is sooooo banning them from this
>>156004063Ribs having a double meaning here would be kino.
>>156006295Back in the old days he called her all kinds of rib based pet names. I like to think they had the same kind of physicality in their relationship as they do now but even more affectionate and with lots of PDA. They just wanted to touch each other all the time.It'd be based if a Lute!Eve reveal happened by introducing her in a flashback climbing on his back and behaving like a pair of schoolyard bullies like they do now. Like, it's obviously her. Make the first reveal almost mundane like when we saw Lute maskless for the first time and then when the flashback ends and we see present day Lute we get the heavy stuff.
>>156005763HAD THEIR CHANCE TO BEHAVE BETTER NOW THEY BOIL IN A POT God the songs these two have are peak.
>>156003954Frankly she doesn't seem that powerful and so far her only ability seems to be buffing others. Like her main gimmick seems to be manipulation and politics.I'd say it's not even a stretch that in a straight up fight Lute would dog walk her ass.
Who's that Pokemon?
>>156009149It's Adam and Eve
Man the fandom surrounding Hazbin Lilith is really funny.
>>156009860What are they doing now?
>>156010145Just some people on Twitter hoping that the show wouldn't reveal Lilith isn't Charlie's bio mom. Literally praying to Viv that Charlie comes from Lilith's womb(literally quoted like that). Like it's borderline hilarious.
>>156010231That may have been because of Looty's post.
>>156010231Meanwhile Lute squeezed out Abel oldstyle and is still yelling at him
>>156010284Looty did point out the post with these ridiculous takes. Honestly she somehow finds the funniest and dumbest takes the fandom can produce. It's frankly impressive.
>>156010286It's why Lute/Eve no diffs Lilith. Fraudulent woman who couldn't even birth a child Vs Gigastacy mother of humanity.
>>156010344Considering the sheer amount of pregnant Lute art it should be obvious somehow the message that she's the mother of humanity was subconsciously sent.
>>156010358You can't hang out with someone as fertile as Adam all the time and not end up heavily pregnant in a bunch of fanart.
>>156010417Perhaps
>>156002129Ok, I'm willing to bite the bullet and accept RA becoming canon, but Lucifer loving deer being the reason for that is stupid even for this show.
>>156010589Nah. The true reason is that Lucifer wants to be dicked down by men. I thank Viv everyday she made Adam straight. Let that man remain in his safe corner where he gets molested by women.
>>156010463Pregnant Lute is gap moe
>>156010624For me it's her making Abel straight, and that's more due to the massive butthurt it caused in certain sections of the fandom. Hell, if we include Helluva in the discussion she also did that with Millie not getting an abortion and Verosika being in a happy straight relationship, which also caused butthurt amongst certain fans.I still hold out hope she'll not only make Lute straight, but also somewhat homophobic too, because the fallout from that will be hilarious to witness.
>>156010682No, there’s nothing to suggest she’s homophobic, and it wouldn’t really make sense to introduce that now. If anything, making her homophobic would just give ammo to the larpers because even if she’s explicitly confirmed to be straight, they’ll immediately turn around and argue that she’s experiencing comphet.Best thing to do is establish that she has it out for Vaggie specifically because she betrayed Heaven and everything Lute believes in (which was actually already confirmed in the patreon explicitly, as they said that her hatred for Vaggie isn't personal), with Vaggie being a lesbian having absolutely nothing to do with it, and have Lute be straight. That way there’s no ambiguity to hide behind.
>>156010682>>156010697Honestly I'm fine if they make Lute/Eve straight at this point. It's just destroys her already minor larp ships. Plus I could see being a case of "we need to make the non-demonic origin biblical characters straight". Like Saint Peter, Abel, Adam and Eve are straight so you don't get complaints from religious nutjobs.
Newbie here after the Fortnite collab. Honestly, being in this community for 4-5 days the Morningstars should absolutely be nuanced characters. These are the very ones that caused the fall of humanity, if there really are people trying to make them out to be dindus then they're hard on copium. I'm expecting exactly what's being told.
>>156010722>Honestly I'm fine if they make Lute/Eve straight at this point. It's just destroys her already minor larp ships.There’s been speculation for a while that Viv generally doesn’t want to mess with the biblical characters too much when it comes to things like sexuality. She’s said before that she isn’t comfortable depicting God at all, and Jesus outright doesn’t exist within her canon, so there does seem to be a line she’s hesitant to cross with religious figures. Lucifer and Lilith obviously don't count. Lucifer isn't in the bible and Lilith is of Jewish folklore. If Lute really is Eve, then yeah, I think her being straight becomes even more likely. Especially because when Adam and Lute’s sexualities came up, both of their VAs headcanoned them as bisexual, whereas Viv’s answer was allegedly, “It doesn’t matter, they can be whatever.” Which is VERY Viv-coded non-answer when she doesn’t want to commit herself publicly either way. Not long afterward is when Adam was revealed to be straight. I wouldn’t be surprised if Lute ends up being the same. She’s pretty aggressively straight-coded already, too. Jessica has joked about her being addicted to uncut cock, her entire fixation is on Adam, and even her monochrome Exorcist uniform gives ally-flag energy None of that confirms anything on its own, obviously, but taken together with the possibility that she’s literally Eve? Yeah, I’m increasingly expecting the answer to just be she's heterosexual.
>>156010782Viv does seem to want to have fuck ups. It's mostly the fandom that ignores all the obvious signs and plays defense.
>>156010806I swear this has to be some of the strongest fanon over canon reigning largely dominant. I'm talking I was trying to search if Eve had a wiki page from the official (like just small data on her silhouette and what we know the Morningstars had her cause mentioned in the first episode) and I get these different wikis at top results. Never seen this happen but then again I don't invest in a lot of franchises.
>>156001789I mean I do commend none of them wanted to speak of it again after it happened like they knew it was gay as fuck, but yeah what >>156001897 says
>>156010857Oh yeah Hazbin and HB are a complete mess on this front. Not only do you find constant fanfic and AU wikis with scuffed information (which for some reason appear before the official wiki) but you also have Viv constantly explaining and spoiling stuff through external media like interviews, drawing streams and tweets (which is fine but people rarely compile that stuff in one area for easy access and viewing). People also tend to ignore or hide it if it breaks their headcanon. Like apparently I just found out apparently Lucifer said in some scrapped episode S1 storyboards "before my wife started hating me". Completely buried and not even mentioned once by the fandom.
>>155998769She's clearly white
>>156011227Actually she's Yellow.
>>156011243Quiet, chink
>>156011249No. She's yellow like a banana.
Looty stop being miserable over HB and come discuss Hazbin stuff with us?
hazbin if it were good
>>156011355
>>156011355Either this saves or completely kills Chaggie.
>>156011355I like that one AU where Adam and Lute are horny sheep furries but don't think I can post any of it here
>>155986676Hold on, did this guy lose weight?
>>156010682As we saw from Moxxie and Millie Vivzie is willing to give us cute het so long as it doesn't interfere with her yaoi
>>156011423I don't think so. Plus I'm pretty sure everyone is a sheep furry in that AU(I've seen Adam, Abel, Lilith, some version of Eve, Cain and Lucifer as sheep furries).
>>156011580And they have a lot of sheep furry sex.
>>156011599Yes. Literally pulled out the good old VPN to check if anything new was posted. Decent amount of furry sheep sex and just realised that the furry Eve seems to have a different design compared to the older human Eve design the artist had.
>>156011619The whole point seems to be for Adam to tup all the ewes (plus Lucifer) with his huge free swinging ram wang. A noble purpose.
>>156011638He does look to be the fluffiest of the bunch.
Reminder. If you want to post a nsfw picture without getting banned use the catbox. It's generates it as separate link so you don't have issues.
>>156007656Dinner for husband and son
>>156012645I also wanna see the other son. How does Cain look?
How would Lute and Adam react if Abel accidentally got Emily pregnant?
>>156013020I'm not fully sure. I could see the sheer situation somehow tearing apart her facade and having "mom mode Eve" come out to traumatize Abel and beat his ass. Not sure how Adam would react though? Maybe sheer suprise at finding out Abel isn't gay?
>>156001897>but it's hell coming together to defeat a common enemy.>"You would risk your life for souls that Heaven sought to kill?">"We cannot just stand by">"It's time to match your strength of will"IT'S THE POWER OF FUCKING FRIENDSHIP minus literally just the Vees.
>>156013231I don't think she'd beat his ass for this. She would, however, give him a scary fucking talk about manning up and being a father. Adam would be thrilled about it.
>>156010857As someone who hatewatches the show, I have to say I'm kind of starting to unironically enjoy my viewing experience purely because of how consistently Vivzie shits on her own characters harder than I ever could.
>>156013296Honestly I love how Viv somehow accidentally secretly chud codes her characters.
Honestly Abel should be pretty good with childbirth etc because delivering lambs is a big part of being a shepherd.
Does Emily lay eggs or does she bear live young?
>>156013424I'm pretty sure his parents main question are his supposed parenting abilities (which is ironic coming from them). They probably assume he can handle the birth not so much the raising of the child.
>>156013434Not sure. We need to ask Viv directly.
>>156013388Right?! Her thirst for toxic yaoi is so strong, the few straight couples are the master race of the show unless they specifically conflict with her daddy issues and bottomless hatred for other women.
>>156013471Exactly that. Like imagine the sheer power of Adam X Lute. Imagine the sheer hilarious suffering of Lucilith fans when they find out their ship never had any hope because it stood in the way of Viv's precious yaoi. Watch their hopes of Lilith being peak mother feminist icon be destroyed and have her somehow be completely overshadowed by Eve.
>>156013510Eve deserves to be the big mama feminist figure for once. She births babies, not eats em.
>>156013550You are objectively correct. She actually has the portfolio for that unlike Lilith who's main achievement is "raped the largest number of 4chan and Reddit users".
>>156013660Her portfolio includes such gems as Patrick Stump
>>156011106Remember, in that same line, he said before his wife hated him and before he had a child.
>>156011284What do you want me to discuss specifically? Nothing new to report, except Jessica trying to hype up gravity again.
>>156013905What colour do you think Lute/Eve has?
>>156013248Technically it's not the power friendship. Sam Haft talked about that specifically.
>>156013915Color of what?
I'm surprised here nobody's going crazy about the Lilith mural. What do you guys make of it? Everyone on Twitter thinks it's Roo or Eve lol
>>156013905Will Lute/Eve be in Fortnite?
>>156013953You know.
>>156013969Twitter are RETARDS
>>156013953If she was in Magic the Gathering
>>156013969We aren't the twitter bunch so we actually assume it's Lilith and it's a hint that she's more involved in the apple business. Possibly being the genius behind the idea.
>>156013969The thorns...roses...rose on her hat...
Everyone in this show is associated with the fucking apple. The Chaggie ship sigil has an apple. Ain't nobody arguing Charlie and/or Vaggie are Eve.
>>156013989Silence
>>156011106>Like apparently I just found out apparently Lucifer said in some scrapped episode S1 storyboards "before my wife started hating me". Completely buried and not even mentioned once by the fandom.RAs have pointed it out but Lucilith divorce evidence is widely ignored by the fandom, especially from them for perhaps obvious reasons.
>>156014079Cmon. Tell us.
If Lute was a Pokemon she'd probably be Steel/Flying or Steel/Fighting
>>156014173She's TAN and has BROWN hair. Fight me beyatch
>>156014095Listen it's borderline insane to ignore this stuff. For fucks sake more people assume Eve hated Adam without even a shred of evidence yet the when we get concrete shit for Lilith being done with Lucifer's shit everyone plugs their ears.The fact that it's probably the exact opposite of what these people believe is frying me.
>>156014204Sorry Looty but I think you're going to be that AI image of the baby crumbling to ashes when we finally see her
>>156014204Ok but I wasn't asking about her hair or skin colour. I was asking about something else.
>>156014252Bitch I'm autistic. What are we talking about. The curtain and drapes situation or... Spell it out for Mama Looty
>>156014250I need to find that gif and use if that turns out to be the case
>>156014279The tunnel colour.
>>156014279Everyone here is probably autistic. How do you think we've kept one niche topic of conversation going since May
>>156014230The simplest answer really is sometimes the right one and the fandom has a hard time with it. This show and its creator aren't all that subtle. Sometimes when the narrative and behind the scenes elements hint at something over and over, you can probably believe it. >B-but Vivzie wouldn't be so unsubtle, would she? And she wouldn't just guve away future ships and plot points in the takes she likes online, would she?Yes she fucking would and demonstrably has.
>>156014389I almost got in a serious argument with someone because of this. When I showed them proof of how she acts with something, Viv is actively trying to hide versus something she isn't, they got real quiet and just stopped. Viv is as transparent as a glass house.
>>156014497One of the reasons I can't get invested in Stolitz drama at all because we know it's going to work out already because she keeps fucking saying so on her socials
>>156014660I'm pretty sure she straight up confirmed that they are endgame. I don't remember when but I'm pretty sure she has. That's why she doesn't have issue liking all those posts. It's been a known fact.
A few years ago, at a convention, Alex Brightman was reportedly asked about Adam's relationship with Lucifer during a one-on-one interaction at his autograph table. According to the person who asked, Alex said that the two used to be best friends. Which, honestly, would make sense, considering Viv herself mentioned in the Season 1 commentary that Lucifer and Adam have a LOT of history together.
>>156004696No but I think all the meds he's taking are fucking him up. Dumbass thinks every problem he has can be fixed with medication
>>156014725Inb4 Lucifer ruined it by making a homo advance on Adam
>>156014725>>156014870Honestly it doesn't feel that way. Lucifer and Adam don't feel like former friends or have the signs of ever being friends. Don't know if it's supposed to be a retcon/headcanon or Viv and her crew can't write genuine male friendship and non romantic relationships.
>>156015009Then again, you have to remember Alex headcanoned Adam as bi ("any hole is a hole") and the guy doesn't really seem in tune with the storyline as it progresses. He seems more of the go with the flow. It definitely seems more like headcanon.
https://files.catbox.moe/akl7yo.jpegSheep furry SEXOOOO
>>156015211I know there's some more with sheep Lute and there's also some with the Abel looking sheep Eve(Lilith's also there but we ignore that).
>>156015563>>156015563>>156015563New thread
