Themed Questions:>How would a man find his slave wives(auctions, arranged Marriages, etc.)?>What sets wives apart from other slave women/what privileges are they given?>Is there any real Courtship or are women sold purely as products?>Any sort of eugenics or specialized training when it comes to slave wives?Last Thread>>11429038Archives:https://archived.moe/d/search/subject/Patriarchy/https://desuarchive.org/d/search/subject/Patriarchy/Disclaimer:This thread is for fetishizing a patriarchy where it's biological men being Doms and biological Women as Subs
So what would happen if the government decreed women were property overnight, would the military and police start marching into cities right away? Or would they be condoned off and slowly strangled?
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>>11456864Nah if you do that it's going to be your limited forces that will be encircled and destroyed piecemeal. Take it from me.What you're going to want to do is make change like that slow enough to stomach for a lot of the population, alongside consolidating power in a specific smaller geographical area for when the dramatic changes are needed. A society based around open and total female slavery will be in a semi-permanent war state with its neighbours, which is why preparing for a warfare that is not total and instead might just be a way of getting new slaves in a few generations is needed. Transforming society on a continent wide scale is unlikely to succeed, building those chains in the shadows in a specific region for when global order becomes unsustainable is the only reasonable way.If your patriarchal slaver enclave is good enough at producing propaganda you might be able to get enough slaves just by girls in surrounding regions who saw the completely stupefied yanderes that are filmed constantly and know they want that bliss for themselves, no slaver raids needed, but where's the fun in that?
>>11456885Nah, what you do is wait for a major regional/worldwide event. Especially something like a world war. So many young men that died on the front lines, how terrible. Those that are left are either lucky, unfit for service, or powerful enough to get out of it.Now you have so many women that need a man to take care of them. But a man can't take care of tens of women on his own! At least, not if they have full rights and privileges of a free person. So it becomes commonplace to sign some of those away in exchange for the attention and security that comes with being married to a man.Other regions can't get involved. After all, it's to prevent a major decline in birthrate!
>>11456860Wasn't expecting autistic world building to win. >>11456864You boil the frog. What you're describing would fail to the scale of years because you can't control a population with an army. What you want is slow, gradual social change. Starts with a few things here and there- tax breaks for families are re-packaged as, 'bachelor taxes.' Sex based discrimination in pay gets repackaged as 'freedom to rest' for women, even as men aggressively out-earn them. The more it sounds like it is to the benefit of women, even while undermining them, the better.To the scale of generations eventually someone says, "Why not make women property?" and no one even bats an eye.>>11456891The problem is that wars tend to preferentially select for the kind of men who would lead to go get shot like a dog.
>>11456895Imma be honest here, there are two main reasons why a slow strategy wouldn't work. First: It would mean I'd be dead long before that change arises. (Or at the very least, too old to properly enjoy it.) And if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen while I'm still around.Second: You need a catalyst. Some form of event, usually, that creates/exposes a major problem. Need to make people say "okay, at least for now". Without some ideal or problem to rally behind or against, social reform tends to wither and die. Then once the time of crisis is finished, people are simply so used to the new lifestyle that they don't want to change. They'll see how much better they have it. Especially with such a subject as touchy and sensitive as women's rights. It'll be hard to budge, but once the metaphorical ball gets rolling, people will realize nature won't let it stop. Now don't get me wrong, a social change of this scale can't happen overnight. That change would be a catalyst for female supremacists to gain the upper hand. But it must start strong and quickly gain momentum.
>>11456860>How would a man find his slave wives(auctions, arranged Marriages, etc.)?Depends the degree of progress of the society. In my case online orders are common place and so is custom ordering a bride from specialized (and certified) groomers who are dedicated to raising entire families with specific traits. I'm thinking a 2010 level world, more modern versions will also allow to order genetically/cybernetic enhnaced brides depending how much you're willing to pay.>What sets wives apart from other slave women/what privileges are they given?There are no free women. Either they're slaves living pampered or tragic lives, or they're attached to permanent milkers/the free use docks to be plowed and milked over and over of their fluids.>Is there any real Courtship or are women sold purely as products?Product placement, everything is cold and dedicated to Master's satisfaction.>Any sort of eugenics or specialized training when it comes to slave wives?Major corporations dedicate themselves to perfecting slave girls with specific traits such as bloodlines focused around purity, or fit girls, or girls with huge assets.
>>11457127>You need a catalyst.The problem with a catalyst is that it creates an expectation that things go back to 'normal' eventually. It's the entire reason I placed the Kith setting squarely in a place where such an idea can't happen because there's a clear break with the old world. >First: It would mean I'd be dead long before that change arises.And that is why you will fail. Conservatives tend to suck and blindly adhere to their politics because they're old and for few other reasons but at least they have the bare bones of generational continuity covered. The average revolutionary fails even the most basic of hurdles because they can't even think five years out, let alone to the scale of generations. Whatever your patriarchal society ends up being, it needs to be fixated on the basics like how they intend to pass the torch onto the youth. >But it must start strong and quickly gain momentum.You can't do that without building entire generations of strong nuclear families and you can't do that without engaging in this to the scale of generations. >>11457463>There are no free women. Either they're slaves living pampered or tragic lives, or they're attached to permanent milkers/the free use docks to be plowed and milked over and over of their fluids.Eh, in Kith Society while there are women who are 'liberated' in the sense they have no debt and are not recognized as property, that usually only exists within a framework where they loop back around to being functional slaves. They're still tethered to their father, or husband, their work is still subservient to men and while they might make respectable money it's because kith patriarchs will pay a jealous ransom to have the services of a skilled female doctor / midwife, or the best courtesan in the territory.
>>11451985>Urbanite society is heavily predicated on debt based economics>women who decide that the best escape is to try and rope a slave kith into buying her and buying out her debtDebt slavery sounds like the most fun way of corrupting women it's just the whole "no one forced you to sell your body" aspect.She's doing this to herself and it can be used to fuck with her self image.Values of equal rights/female independence traded for money/safety.>>11457883>tethered to their father, or husband, their work is still subservient to menRelated: Women raised on the idea their self worth/self-esteem is built on being useful for master.She could be a midwife, sex worker or her entire point is being sold/married off.what ever lewd/degenerate way master uses her society sees her obedience as a good thing.>>11457463>slaves living pampered lives>perfecting slave girls with specific traits such as bloodlines...Cute in a fuck up way, pampered women born and raised purely as pleasure slaves or domestic servants with benefits.Skip the existential dread a master decides everything for you and never go a day worrying about paying bills/missing meals.Wives/concubines are bred like dog breeders with the added fun of race play if master is into that!
I don't think I'd have the heart to treat a servant bad, I would want to treat them really nice.the carrot is better then the stick.
>>11458228>the whole "no one forced you to sell your body" aspect.More that the Kith are noble for having absorbed the consequences of her bad life decisions and that she is now bound to them. Her life may be constrained by the expectations of Kith society, but her actual quality of life is typically better. Unless she did something bad enough to warrant getting bought up by a penal kith.>Related: Women raised on the idea their self worth/self-esteem is built on being useful for master.The official line is that whatever she wants in life, it is best pursued by working for her master.
>>11458333>absorbed the consequences of her bad life decisions>her actual quality of life is typically betterHope some kith really lean into the pet girl side of slavery, women having their arms bound, gagged, collared and leashed.All of it done to make sure they cant hurt themselves or get into trouble when they're not under master's direct supervision.Being unbound outside master's home becomes a privilege and worming doing non domestic work is even rarer.>>11458236>carrot is better then the stickAlso social standing of Masters being tied to how well cared for & trained their women are, as slave women are seen as a extension of their owner.Like to the point Collars, leashes an etc. aren't seen in a negative light women love their enslavement.Maybe instead of celebrating birthdays women count the anniversary of being sold to their master.>>11458550>turned into a constantly horny petgirl?That pic, What's the thread's take on drugging women and the more unscrupulous side of slavery?A woman starts causing trouble so just keeping her bliss out is a option.Pill that takes away scary thoughts in her head or helpfully turns off some higher order thinking.
(imagine Norman Rockwell's "Freedom of Speech" attached to this post)I don't like the posts about murdering, dismembering and eating women. My personal feelings aside, I think it goes against the inherent spirit of patriarchy and makes this thread completely indistinguishable from the slavery thread.
>>11459604The Patriarchy general was always just a spinoff of the Slavery general anyway, and both are just bondage threads that spiraled into fags ERPing. Don't think too much about it and just enjoy the pics.
>>11459712I think the point is that when the ryona and/or cannibalism guys roll up then we're not enjoying the pics.
>>11459712he's right though, patriarchy may be controlling and condescending, but it at least takes care of women in that framework, while slavery doesn't give a shit and sees them as expendable
>>11460160>patriarchy may be controlling and condescending>takes care of women in that frameworkCalling master daddy kind of thing going on there.Raised to obey and don't need to worry about anything other then satisfyingly your owner.>>11459604Might be a minor thing but there's a bit more of a focus on slave breeding.Something about women being born into slavery, cant miss freedom if you never knew it
>>11460160Slavery is just generic BDSM.The appeal of patriarchy is the condescension and dehumanization directed toward women and also the motive of reshaping society into an enduring patriarchy. For me the pleasure lies in acknowledging the truth of my biological inferiority as a womanYou have to disregard our emotions arguments and intellect, and understand that we can only imitate and manipulate men our primary motivation is male attention. So while you can "love" women the way you love dogs you can't have illusions about us. Unruly women desperately need to be correctively raped, women's legal and economic rights have to be violently destroyed and overthrown by men who are courageous enough to not be misled by women leveraging our pussy power.All of this is made clear in all the doctrine of the major abramaic religions and the myth of the serpent in the garden of eden. Free women pose an inherent danger to orderly society.In my personal experience, spending time around intelligent, dominant, misogynistic and abusive men was a great therapeutic way to gradually break down my leftost/feminist views, but even after I gave up feminism it took a while before my politics swung completely towards militant patriarchy and my "real world" views began to change.
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>>11460868>So while you can "love" women the way you love dogsNah I am far nicer to dogs than I am to slaves. Especially you. Look if you want to get scolded for being stupid again you should at least post tits. If you eat a ban then we don't get to hear your cries for attention anymore, it's win/win.
>>11460885You can have my leftovers. Sloppy seconds.Women can be treated like toys, pets, wives, accessories, whatever. Generally the master will find slaves that fit their wants. Easier to trade slaves around than train one to go against her nature. As a happy consequence, sadistic masters will find masochistic sluts, caring masters will find obedient servants. It helps that girls are so vulnerable to emotional attachment.It's pretty expensive to find women to break and mutilate and dispose of, especially on a regular basis. So those unfortunate lumps of meat are shared in groups.The entire point is that slaves are property. Just as you don't shatter your TV and get a new one, you don't abuse your slaves without cause. Loyal slaves are so much more valuable than defeated slaves. From a logical and efficiency-centric standpoint, it's just stupid. Give them both the stick AND the carrot, not just one.I suppose that part's just my view on it. Like to hear well constructed arguments for some other philosophy of ownership.
>>11460992>philosophy of ownershipI generally believe that slaves have a chaotic mind that needs the order that comes from living for someone else, not themselves. slaves will continually make things worse for themselves without chains to guide them. It doesn't help that a slave will so often attach deeply to people, which tortures their simple minds even further. Living as a servile accessory to who they love just comes naturally. Also >>11460868 I want you to write "inferior" somewhere on your body the next time you try to get my attention. Even if its probably better if you don't post it since I don't actually know if you can catch a permaban for that at least it's entertaining for you to claim you're doing as you're told.
>>11460868>>11461156>write "inferior" somewhere on your body the next time you try to get my attentionHoping humiliation rituals and Honorifics are part of your patrachy.Like women aren't just told they are inferiors being rule by the benevolence of men.But daily life reinforces it, bowing, addressing men with sir/Mr, kneeling beside master at the table, etc.Collars, leashes are external signs of enslavement but having women internalize slavery is important too!
>>11461606Oh with how lowly of a creature that slave actually is "inferior" is a much better slave name than what I assigned it before. Honestly if its going to be this dumb then there's lots of honorific rules it should follow.>Never address Men as anything other than "Sir">Always kneel when in the presence of Men, do not stand as if you're somehow equal unless needed for your service to Men>Do not pretend you are anything more than a dumb child compared to Men. you might know a bit more about cooking, cleaning, and cocksucking, but only thatinferior is pretty lucky that it's not that horrible to look at honestly. Plenty of other things that aren't quite as high grade that say this stuff to Men and won't even get the pity to indulge them in their needy begging.
>>11461637>creature that slave actually is "inferior" is a much better slave nameCute slave nick-names and fem slur type pet names could be a thing too.Bitch, cum-dump, cock warmer, etc. done specifically to be the opposite of men having honorifics.Demeaning in a playful sort of way too, "of course that bitch can read she's happier riding cocks!">>11460992>Women can be treated like toys, pets, wivesrelated note: teaching of social norms and "how to be a proper slave woman" is done in large part by women.Mother-daughter, women hen pecking each other or enforcing norms cause of altruistic motives.More fun when the oppression and enslavement of women isn't just men's project.But their loyal and ell trained bitches also help
>>11461680I prefer "assmeat" as a name for a fresh slave. Suitably humiliating, degrading, and diminutive, my favourite part of the girl is the ass too so it helps reduce her even further to just a extension of me, not her own person. inferior there is a special case. slaves also don't get called by their actual name that much. Usually being slapped around, just called "slave", or having orders barked at them with "that bitch". If you want to pick assmeat or inferior out of a group just slap the one you want and tell her what to do, the rougher you treat them the better.
>>11461680Some other good slave names: >bootlicker>footstool>doormatHonestly there's no reason at all to call a slave by anything that isn't in some way demeaning. It's best if once you enslave them nobody new they meet ever knows what their old human name was. Master has so thoroughly subjugated every single part of them.
>>11461871>Usually being slapped around, just called "slave", or having orders barked at them with "that bitch"Like to think it's a sliding scale of "degrading" names.Women at the bottom might not even have names maybe just a alphanumeric tag and that's it.Think something as insulting has having a nose ring with a barcode and numbers written on it.Half way up you get insult type names.And at the top there cute & short pet names just a few syllables long.At every level names are used to put women in their place.Just at the top is the softer/paternalistic side of being owned.>>11462184>nobody new they meet ever knows what their old human name wasCould have society really lean into this Slaves taught to count their lives only after enslavement.Master strictly watch slaves for any hind they're trying to use their old name and punish them accordingly.It's the whole idea that nothing be fore enslavement mattered only or service to master matters.Obey and you shall be rewarded
>>11456864I wonder if it'd be possible nowadays because of social media. Anyone trying to set one would find himself discovered and his face in all news channels.Oh how I wish I could have been born in this kind of life:https://youtu.be/qxnKvm3UEsU&t=37
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Anyone for legalizing rape?If we're already crossing the line with enslavement might as well go all the way....
>>11463620You wouldn't break into another man's car and drive it around, would you? Unless, of course, he gives you permission. In which case the car's "feelings" don't matter, since it's merely property.Rape is still very much illegal. But using someone else's slave (with her owner's permission) even if she fights back isn't considered rape.
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>>11463620It seems like you mean more of a "free use" situation, since like >>11463692Said, "rape" would make more sense as "forcing yourself on someone else's property" likely extending to things like punishments, sexual acts or even just trying to make a woman who has a private owner do work for you.I always lean towards setting ideas where slavery is either not universal, or there are layers to it, and those without direct private owners get the least protections. In this way a woman can try and stay "free" but will be subject to the whims of any man she encounters
>>11463620I think rather than legalizing rape, rape should be abolished as a criminal offense and converted into a private property offense in which the damaged party is the woman's owner.Women are biologically hardwired to prefer sex that would be considered "rape" by SJWs today. Women have been conditioned by thousands of years of evolution to be slower, weaker and submissive in relation to men to reduce the amount of force needed. Many women find it far easier to orgasm from being forcibly taken without express consent, and this feeling of complete ownership is essential to create lasting bonding between the woman and her man. This is why all societies after the agrarian revolution viewed women as property of male family members who were traded and sold in marriage as livestock. Basically the idea of "rape" as a crime against women is redundant, women are biologically predisposed to submit and be untraceable. For those who do resist, breaking via "rape" (which they enjoy) is necessary to correct our behavior. I also think in a patriarchy it would be important to negate all notions of public laws enforcing any kind of "rights" for women. We are livestock and property, how we are treated is entirely uo to our male owners. This is not to promote violence or cruelty toward women. It is to promote the idea that man is the god and master over us and that our obedience to our man and loyalty to him comes before all other things. I would expect socially enforced customs rather than government and laws tactile regulate the treatment of women by men.So in an ideal patriarchy, there can be no crime committed against a woman, except perhaps a misdemeanor offense akin to animal cruelty. The crime, whether economic damages or emotional damages is to her male owner, he is considered the victim, he is responsible for avenging our honor, and it is him who is owed compensation.1/2
>>114642332/2The same goes for crimes comitted by women. Our master is responsible for our training and all our actions outside the home. Both legally and culturally, it is taken as an axiom that women seldom are capable of forming any evil idea without the influence of a man. I actually think adopting this fundamentally different view of women is necessary to create a true patriarchy. For the same reason it's important to be strict with us, discipline us, and also limit the extent of emotional care or obsession with us. We are at best cherished pets and livestock, but undue love or obsession (simping) toward women can lead men to become corrupted under influence of outnof control emotions.
>>11464233>he is responsible for avenging [the slave's] honorWhat honor? All he's responsible for is ensuring he's compensated for damages. That, and of course making an example out of he who wronged him.Things such as "honor" and "status" are not words that can be attributed to slaves. A slave might have pride in her value to her master, but it's not an "honor" to serve him. It's a responsibility, an expectation.Just as one cannot commit a crime against a woman, a woman cannot be tried for crimes against a man. However, severe (usually public) punishment or even termination of the malfunctioning slave might be enough to satisfy the wronged party.Should a slave commit a crime with no master (or is owned by the state), by default she's to be given to medicine. Usually, sadistic masters will buy her up for an insignificant sum before that. The promise or threat of weeks of torture prior to termination is enough to keep unprotected slaves in line.
>>11464241I'm sorry sir, I didn't mean to apply that honor applied to women in an individual sense. I apologize for this idiotically poor wording on my part and it definitely merits correction.What I meant is that the right of ownership of a man over his women is itself traditionally considered a sacred preserve as is the act of sex and reproduction. A man's right to control access to women should be taken very seriously and, and so trespasses or wrongs done to women and by women should still be accorded the proper weight-- just specifically the law does not allow for the possibility of women to possess individual human rights or be accorded any legal agency. This is the regime that our biology favors and most conducive to social harmony.I generally believe the patriarchy would be a society of law and order, and sexual debauchery would be carefully regulated by responsible men. It would usually take place behind close doors and with express permission and purpose, for example designated breeding festivals for freshly indoctrinated captives who have shown they can behave well.I'm sure there would be some eccentric men who would engage in wanton flamboyant cruelty toward their slaves or permit other eccentric practices, this would be tolerated as long as it did not violate patriarchal law (meaning no women with authority over men, learning to read/use technology, or engage in independant commerce) but this would be subtly shunned if it started getting out of hand. For example if there was a plague, an estate owned by a notoriously sadistic bastard who ate women might be the last to receive state medical assistance, if at all, in the hopes that he might die off. Or perhaps if a slave strangled him people would look the other way and just send his women to other estates to be rehabilitated rather than sent to female re education camps for feminists.
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>>11464244>I'm sorry sir>sir>Didn't capitalize "Sir", referring to a Man with the same respect she gives her weird little slave friendsYou didn't capitalize the M when referring to Men either. Can you tell me why you're doing this, inferior?
>>11463692>>11464156>he gives you permission.>In which case the slave's "feelings" don't matterLess the idea of free use(that sounds fun though) more that slavery takes way women's consent in running her own life.Master knows best! So just extend that to the sexual domain, anytime, anywhere and obviously she can't say "No">>11464233>>11464235>rape should be a Property crime>Women are at best cherished pets and livestockOn that note: what about women being groomed/brainwashed into not even having a concept of consent.At some point once slavery is so normalized, master fucking his slaves according to his desires isn't something that's questioned.There's just the eternal bliss of obedience and that's all a slave knows.So any sort of freedom/self ownership for women becomes an abnormality.>>11464244>breeding festivals for freshly indoctrinated captives who have shown they can behave wellCarrot and stick kind of deal, really like the concept of a society that actually rewards women for "knowing their place".In this case it's being master's breeding bitch, like some Morality flip trope play is fun.Instead of pushing women into education it's learning domestic or sexual skills.
>>11464607Forgive her, she's merely an unowned slave, after all. Merely a woman. Whichever man allowed her to learn to read and have unrestricted/unmonitored access to the internet is to blame. The gift of reading and writing is to be granted ONLY for specific purposes, such as bookkeeping. Her father, presumably, was poisoned by the current culture of feminism. Tragic.>>11464775>Women being groomed/brainwashed into not even having a concept of consent [so that a] master fucking his slaves... isn't something that's questionedInteresting proposal. However, I find it lacking. The problem with removing all women's humanity and dignity is you can no longer take it from them. Breaking in a slave is often part of the fun, especially for a man's first slave, or one meant to personally serve him. For me, I don't believe I would actively *enjoy* punishing malfunctioning slaves. But I would, and do so cruelly, because the feeling of power when her will breaks and she finally submits would be so extreme. Training a slave from scratch would be cheaper than buying a ready-to-serve slut, of course, and offer more "customization" at the expense of time and effort. Those trained by a master as opposed to the schools are simply better slaves. Additionally, training her yourself means you get her virginity and the benefits related. No slave can be more dedicated than a slave whose first time was with her master.So, of course, we need a mix. Slaves "mass produced" by the government and sold for cheap, higher quality specimens sold off by their fathers, and rape-flesh from conquered nations.In summary, various slaves' attitudes should vary anywhere between "please let me pleasure my Master", "if it pleases you"/*nods silently*, and "stay the fuck away". Other slaves look upon untrained meat with pity, hatred, disgust, or maybe jealousy if she's extremely masochistic. But never sympathy.
>>11465225>forgive hershe's just a slave, even if I have more disdain for her than many of her sisters she just deserves a especially hard scolding and beating. I'm not going to give weight to the words and "thoughts" of a slightly more intelligent appliance. Perhaps asking permission from whatever man she can find if she can post her braindead screeds would help her truly inferior mind. "please Sir, please may slave inferior post what she thinks are thoughts about how Men are truly superior to her Sir!". she struggles with basic surrender and obedience which are not good problems for something morally the same as a coffeemaker to have.
>>11465225>removing all women's humanity and dignity is you can no longer take it from themIt's the perverse normalcy of slavery.Regardless if they mass produced or hand raised by their fathers slave women are programed with a mindset from the start.Slavery under their benevolent male owners becomes the norm, pleasure and obedience is what they know.To the point that offering freedom seems like abuse in a slave woman's mind.Having to run their own life or think for themselves is an unnecessary burden women cant handle.>Training a slave from scratchPicturing there's a large wealth/life style gap for these slaves.Women bred on mass are raised in institutions focusing more on volume to meet demandHand trained slaves it's closer to idyllic life in the country with father n mother.Just with /d/ undertone that everyone knows women are meant to be sold as slaves later.>Other slaves look upon untrained meat with pity, hatredOn this note, what place would you have for women to help with slaver training.Something like a /d/ version of Aunts from hand maid's tale?
>>11465387Watching you tie yourself in knots to reconcile your desire to abuse and degrade women with your reddit tier lefty feminist tranny beliefs is certainly amusing. Why don't you just give in and take the redpill? It's what millions of years of biology wants. Women aren't going to respect you unless you do.
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>>11465503Personal attacks? Seriously?Idiot.>>11466402>offering freedom [to a slave]Absolutely not! I merely said that because there is demand for untrained slaves, there will be supply. Whether it be from a protected feminist city owned by the government (for the express purpose of producing breakable slaves) or by conquering other societies.The default is, of course, obedience without hesitation. After all, having to break in every slave you purchase or use would be exhausting.>Picturing a large... lifestyle gapIf we assume that the enlightened continent in question is North America, a quick Google search says approximately 625 million people. Under another assumption that our ideal society is created after a decimating event that halves the population, we're working with about 300 million.The culture surrounding slavery among the entire populace is bound to be extremely diverse. In some areas, a slave might live as something of a maid. Able to go out without express permission, obtain a basic education, perhaps even have a sense of dignity instilled in them by society. In others, they're treated as cattle. Not worth communicating with, not worth a man's time, not worth the effort it would take to turn her docile. Others still might keep women as prized possessions, showing them off in public and taking great pride in the slave's obedience, looks, or sexual ability. Hell, some small towns might even go so far as to make "slave" a synonym for "wife" and live a traditional country life. My point is that there are bound to be hundreds of unique cultures surrounding slaves. Of course, one thing is common: A woman is decidedly beneath a man.
>>11465586>>11465402Oops typo with the quoted message number. >What place would you have for women to help with slaver trainingThe best teacher is example. In schools, teachers are experienced slaves. I'd imagine that role would be a reward for years of obedience and excellent service. Of course, should a man wish to take the whip from her and punish the new meat in her stead, she has no ability to refuse.Even for a slave who is to be trained by her Master, she takes classes in school, depending on the slave's desired use. Housework, culinary, sex, service, motherhood, etc. Usually a young man's first slave is an experienced slave, with moderate knowledge and skill across all areas. Second is a fully fresh slave, probably taken from market the day she's put up, then broken by her Master's hand. Of course, training a slave in specific skills is far easier in schools, so she's sent away for a few seasons. By the time she comes back from that cruel place, she's eager to serve her master with all her ability, if only to protect herself from further lessons.Manors with dozens of slaves might be able to forgo school entirely, since there are enough skilled females to teach new blood. This is the ideal scenario for a generic slave, as the Master tends to either not have time to abuse each slave, or is kind to his property.
>>11465586>Personal attacks? Seriously?>Idiot.she's a lot dumber than a idiot. Personal attacks still need to come from a person to really count but I have no clue how she ended up so defective. >showing them off in public and taking great pride in the slave's obedience, looks, or sexual ability.Yeah that's the kind of slavery I love. A living monument to Master and his domination. Able to instantly put a smile on any humans face, and well known to be the best at sucking cock a slave can possibly be. A fractured world like that would be fun. Especially taking said personal slave on a visit to lands where she would never get this care and training. Helps with further displays of obedience, seeing with her own eyes what life as cattle could be like.
>>11465590looks like we have a bitch looking for degrading princess treatmentwants to be treated as a prize and babied but still raped and humiliated
>>11465593Maybe. slaves are fucking weird, it's hard to tell sometimes. I think she tries to get a rise out of people and enjoys being talked down to as a result.
>>11465586>untrained slaves, there will be supply...>producing breakable slaves...Kind of like this idea, an entire "rape fetish industry", cause the norm for society is well trained slaves.really breaking or raping women becomes a rarity you only get with captives or "nature reserve" types.Fuck up in a /d/ kind of way, women given freedom/rights purely for the amusement of take it away later.>make "slave" a synonym for "wife"That's at least one part of it, should take it further that women are all just default assumed to be slaves."Free"/"wild" woman denotes it's abnormal for women NOT to be slaves.Just find it fun with all this morality inversion type stuff.>>11465589>young man's first slave is an experienced slave>Second is a fully fresh slave, probably taken from marketReally want to lean into the MILF/mommy vibes of this.It isn't just using mature women(or older sister types) as a practice slave.She's grooming young women to fit her master's tastes.Aside from that always more fun when it's women helping to brain wash others.
>>11464607I'm sorry Master... i was never good about capital letters or spelling. I promise to correct my mistake. I know i don't deserve to even reply to you but please accept my apology.>>11464775>Groomed/brainwashedUltimately, that's the society I would strive to create and the inevitable outcome of patriarchy. I also believe it's essential for humanity to continue as a species. The writing is on the wall at this point, given how completely liberal developed countries have failed in ensuring replacement levels of reproduction. Women's education, personal liberty (right to refuse sex) is unmistakeably to blame, the availability of contraceptives is just icing on the cake. We simply weren't meant to function this way as a species. I see the modern day "4b" movement as well as most contemporary feminism as basically a way of subconsciously goading men to overthrow liberal democracy/capitalism and take back their birthright (which is the female uterus) we're prepared to take society hostage to force them. I believe it will start with China and then spread across east Asia and the west pretty quickly.>breeding festivalsI mean, realistically I expect a surprisingly high amount of women would be quite receptive to it, which would shock and demoralize the more free thinking types. However the race to compete would mean a majority of women would see the writing on the wall and go along with it, as in any imperial transition. Fear brings compliance.There would be a minority who tried to resist in secret. It would take decades, maybe even a few generations to fully excise this rebellious strain. And it would take finesse to ensure it remained permanent. Nevertheless I believe a "great transition" of some kind is necessary and inevitable
>>11465225Thank you for your forgiveness. I really don't deserve such generius treatment but i think you're right that being angry at me or seeing me as in control of what i say is pointless. I'm impulsive and attention seeking like a child, as all women fundamentally are. My father was indifferent to feminism but yes liberal society, women's education, free access to technology did this. Educated, literate women represent the downfall of civilization. And that's not to give credit to women, it's just a derivative effect of social corruption.>>11465387Much as we might disagree... I have to admit you do know how to talk to women. I'll do my best to implement your suggestion and be more deferential/ask before contributing. But it's not like I can resist the urge to reply...
>>11466395>>11466407Do people usually pay attention to what you have to say? Where is this confidence coming from? Are there people who think that their footstool has good thoughts on philosophy, and listening to what comes out of it's mouth? >it's not like I can resist the urge to reply...Oh I know exactly what you want, inferior. You're lucky that I don't actually think highly of you in any meaningful way.
>>11466484Image reminded me of this gem.What do we think of separated male/female cultures? Here's what I'm imagining:Human race builds a moon base, free from customary laws and outdated ethics. It's a true "man's space", where patriarchy is taken to it's natural conclusion. Those left on Earth are allowed to live out their petty squabbles. Women still claim feminism, fake men still simp. But now and again as their broken society crashes, the culture on the moon comes to clean it up. We come with overpowering force, technology, and intel. Fix the mess, knowing it'll come crashing down again in a few months, and take some slaves as payment. Prominent men are allowed to join our enlightened society after a very strict screening process.After only a few years of this, there are easily ten women for every man. Those on Earth probably reject the change because it's new, but that's fine. They're little more than slaves who bring us slaves, resources, and entertainment.The females we take are remarkable some way. Naturally obedient, incredibly obstinate, exceptionally beautiful, whatever. Of course, this only fuels the discourse and constant state of fear of those on Earth. The majority of slaves are taken from backwards cities who still believe in women's rights, and must be broken. But her children will be brought up right. Maybe, after 5 or 6 births, she'll be allowed to visit her family and tell them how much happier she is.>>11466407>>11466395If your goal is truly submission, then stop seeking power from unaccountability under the pretext of inferiority. If your dishwasher isn't functioning as you need it to, you fix it. If a self-announced slave like you isn't functioning properly, she'll get fixed. Until such time as a Master takes ownership of you and your mistakes, hold your fucking tongue.To put it in a way you can understand: Shut the fuck up, bitch.
>>11466395>breeding festivals>high amount of women would be quite receptive to itPlaying into this sort of thing; patriarchy using women's need for social validation.Master calling you a good girl, women praised for being collared and just general love bombing.Other end of it is women hen pecking each other to accept slavery plus life long brainwashing of women.Starting to think most issues of having a "bad girl" get solved by master's other slaves.Only severe cases are dealt with by master himself.>availability of contraceptives>take back their birthright (which is the female uterus)Fun irony might be a patriarchy that keeps arround contraceptives and the like.But used only at master's discretion, feminist tools of female liberation turned into chains.Related topic; is breeding women before they start going baby crazy and having silly ideas about women's rights.A cum brained and happy bitch is one that won't question her enslavement.
>>11466484I'm sorry for my arrogance Sir. i don't think what I say has any intrinsic value. I'm well aware how simplistic and illogical my thought process is compared to Men. I know I don't have the capacity for independant critical thought. But I just feel if I had appropriate supervision and direction, i could be of use to mankind. It's not that I think I'm capable of generating ideas of value, but i want to showcase my submissiveness and obedience. The fact is, I welcome being corrected, I try to modify my behavior, and I genuinely want to obey. Lurking and reading this thread had a big influence on me over time... i credit the men of this thread for indirectly saving me from the poison of feminism. I'm just trying to synthesize and repeat the things i thought i've learned from men who talked to me and influenced me, sharing statistics, research and videos, and also helping me realize that I wasn't a lesbian. I'm just trying to showcase what i've learned, serve as an example for other women and help spread the ideas I now passionately believe in. Please consider showing me leniency ans forgiving me.>>11466516I apologize Sir, i thank you for helping me understand how I was wrong. I am a defective piece of equipment jusg like you say. I need fjrm correction from a sterm master who is well aware of my limitations. Although i understand given my behavior that i would be unfathomably lucky if any Man even consider accepting me as his property. I didn't mean to act like i was seeking power or had anything to offer Men except as an obedient piece of equipment, to be used how Men choose, and when they choose. I will stop polluting the thread with my idiotic thoughts and will ni longer talk back to my Male superiors. I will only speak if directly commanded to or invited to by a Man in this thread... and i'll do my best to stay on topic and only respond as prompted. I won't share my ideas again without permission from a Man. I promise. Please forgive me.
>>11466985Thank you for your reply Sir, if I may respond:I definitely think women's need for social validation should be aggressively weaponized against us for sexual conditioning, IQ reduction and instilling the collective "crab bucket" mentality necessary for patriarchal self reinforcement. Basically all women should be connected to an AI enhanced social network from early childhood that doubles as a tracking device and product cataloged. Women earn value through clicks, shares and attention, and the algorithm works to promote submissiveness, political indifference, fertility, beauty, and hard work. This should be easy to accomplish with current technology, neural implants or contact lenses screens would be the icing on the cake to keep our hands free.A platform like onlyfans can be used to facilitate the transition to female slavery, as it becomes more and more popular until it is created for us at the age of first menstruation. At first, we're earning money and celebrating our "independence" while we're being marched into the digital slave pens. Then, "credit accounts" are launched, and debt slavery becomes legalized to pay it off. The platform can then hire us out on contract to any Men. Heavy government taxes can be used to tip the scales further. Pretty soon, only the top earners have any semblance of "freedom" (idols in guided cages exhtoling the virtues of the system. Gradually, being purchased by individual Men who pay off our debt, to be owned replaces any idea of "freedom" for women.>contraceptivesI think we're already witnessing a rapid cultural shift in the direction we need. With the growing popularity of "your body my choice." There is a more and more of an open political push for early pregnancy and marriage, a growing rejection of feminism, college, and female careers. (Replaced by AI). Social media is also quickly becoming refined mind control. I'm personally excited to see what could happen in the next few years.
>>11466991You're even worse at being literate when you're grovelling like that. Is it because you're trying to type one handed? Is begging like that making you especially horny? Did you also write "inferior" somewhere on your body like you were told? If you can't follow basic instructions like that then I don't know why you even look at this thread.
>>11467122Fuck off asshole
>>11467017>sexual conditioning, IQ reduction... AI enhanced social network>promote submissiveness, political indifference, fertility, beauty...The AI use (under strict male supervision) also opens up another fun way of grooming women.Total surveillance making independent thinking & decision making useless for women, so they don't develop it as a skill.No existential dread, just a life time of being master's good girl and immediate positive validation.Dark side to it is emotional manipulation, punishment hurts more when they're used to being loved/praised>onlyfans can be used to facilitate the transition to female slaveryLooking at the ends state of apps like this is fun too.Every woman having their data harvested to refine a online slave market.Idol industry brings up the point of masters managing their slave's online image for the sake of sale.>push for early pregnancy and marriageMore /d/ but patriarchy that's sex positive.If she isn't being sold off as a wife, then breeding festivals and sex work is an good alternative.It's the Idea of women living to serve taken to it's furthest extent.
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>>11467017Fuck, why does this hit the spot. This is all so scarily plausible, with many teen girls already gleefully showing off their bodies on social media and starting an onlyfans on their 18th birthday like it's no big thing. They're taking an active part in the commodification of their own bodies, and you're seen as a prude for pushing back against it. The traditional right wing and the Silicon Valley techbro sphere are quickly merging into one big interlinked ideological monstrosity, and the latter group keeps inventing new tools of mass manipulation and dumbing people down. I don't want to believe that this is the future we're headed for, and yet imagining it unfold makes me so fucking horny that it won't leave my brain until I rub myself to orgasm.
Series of questions for all here (even slaves):In your fantasy, how harsh is the treatment of slaves in society? Gentle and loving, rough and cruel, something else?How widespread is slavery? Niche past time a few people get up to, completely and fully adopted?Gender ratios? 1:1, or something more extreme like 1:100?How eroticized is slavery? Slaves are used only for sex/emotional satisfaction, slaves' purpose includes each and every thing his Master wishes including menial labor?What are the social dynamics between slaves? Too beat down/stupid to care, supportive and sisterly, vengeful and competitive?For me and my ideal household, I'd take to a gentle albeit superior approach. Manor run by slaves who are genuinely happy to be there. Punishments are swift and extreme for intentional disobedience, but merely uncomfortable/monotonous for genuine mistakes. I'd rather my manor be the only estate in the area that actively practices slavery; makes obtaining new slaves easier and establishes my name among the powerful. Of course, aside from my sons, I'd be the only permanent male resident in the building. I'd have a few male hired hands that I'd rotate out every few months for the more difficult grunt work, but they'd live in a separate building to prevent interaction between them and my slaves. Perhaps 8 men and 35 women in total.Slaves owned by me are expected to do everything in the household. Maidwork, caring for the land, nursery duties, managing imported and exported goods, etc. I have final say over all, of course, but the day-to-day is completely handled by my slaves. There is no greater honor than for a girl to be called to my room, especially if it's frequent. Because of that, slaves work hard to be recognized for their work and even harder to please. I purposefully keep some rivalries going between individuals or groups. Because of her nature, a slave will perform better when she's able to show up another.
>>11467745>how harsh is the treatment of slaves in society?You get a bit of everything. Slaves don't exactly get a say in how they're treated by in Kith society the rule of thumb is that you're no more physical in your treatment than is necessary to get what you want. >How widespread is slavery?Slavery is so endemic that women functionally can't exist outside it in Kith society. The women who manage to buy their freedom usually end up doing it for superficial reasons or to ensure their master's legacy. One of the more common folk tales told to girls revolves around a slave wife who's husband is murdered so she buys her freedom so that she can raise his sons in peace. >Gender ratios?Depends on the cohort but typically 1:4 to 1:10 men to women.Men are ironically disposable. Kith society doesn't have much of a place for men who aren't the first or second born of a patriarch and the expectation is that they forge their own life. Which does lead to a hyper-competitive society where unless you're the inheritor of your father's business you're building your own little empire. Which includes an element of risk. If not outright murder than committing some offense that turns you into a slave and then you're off to the mines.>How eroticized is slavery?Very. There's a tall vertical slice here but female slaves can be anything from a cock sleeve and sexual relief to slave wives. Patriarchs usually have one or two designated 'favored' wives but their obligations usually mean two or three political wives. They'll try to get along with them well enough but it's usually just a perfunctory relationship. >What are the social dynamics between slaves?It's usually a harem environment. Kith society is hyper-sexualized and there's usually only one guy- who's incredibly busy with his own life- responsible for the satisfaction of 5, 10 women. And those women usually have their own attendants and servants. There's usually a pecking order between the slave wives and attendants.
>>11467745>How harsh is the treatment of slaves in society? Ultimately, how the owner decides.The point of slaves isn't 'to treat them harshly' it's to use them to facilitate your needs, whims and desires in life. They are a tool found in society, not an objective caste to enforce society around.>How widespread is slavery?Entirely Ubiquitous. Exists almost everywhere.>Gender ratios?1:1.>How eroticized is slavery? Slaves exist to fulfill any reasonable request. However law admits that there are some things, such as hard manual labour, that slaves cannot be reasonably expected to complete, and a common social perception on the role of a slave being, if not an erotic one, then a pleasure-based one. While some slaves may be uses in commercial uses, there is typically an element of allure or eroticism in it.>What are the social dynamics between slaves? Varies. A good slave owner, who owns multiple slaves, will maintain a good, healthy environment where his slaves are disciplined, attentive, mentally and physically healthy, and get on well.However, it is unrealistic to expect owners to put the desire to not burden slaves above their own personal wants at all times, and some slave owners take pleasure in causing extreme exhaustion, suffering, or a hostile culture between their own slaves. Though these are typically looked on as 'degenerate' behaviors by most decent society, and slaves can be repossessed on grounds of animal abuse if their treatment is too poor. You can't just stick them in a dog kennel outside all year and feed them on expired food from the pantry. You do that, you go to jail.The hallmark of a good slave owner is inspiring loyalty in a slave, enough that the slave admits it, even when she cannot be punished for speaking wrong.
Ran this through MTL and from what I can gather it's a man who entertains himself at work by watching his wife suffer in stress bondage through a webcam.Pretty hot idea, and to ask a question for this thread would you have any interest in a slave that exists as an ornament or decoration? Personally I think I'd use it as a punishment, or maybe even seek out a flexible girl to push her limits, but I'm not sure about that being her only job
>>11469020Depends on the supply of slaves. Could be that there's a woman whose sole purpose is to exist as a permanent part of the decor in every room. Drugs and surgeries minimize resource consumption and waste production.In a slightly less extreme scenario, I'd have my entertainers do some time as objects. Sometimes they dance, sing, or work as an escort, other times they're used as serving trays, living art, or just spend time being recorded in predicament bondage porn.Using slaves who aren't modified/trained for the purpose would be inefficient. Difficult to take your maid and tie her up for days on end and expect her to perform her duties immediately after.The ideal scenario is a slave who, for some reason or another, truly desires to be dehumanized. She's less likely to break, more likely to perform well in the task.I find that I'd rather have a small number of highly specialized, high quality slaves rather than a large number of moderately skilled slaves.
>>11469020I'm a big believer in a slave being multi-purpose. If she can suffer for my entertainment while I'm at work, followed by being let out to continue to serve, that's a good demonstration of that. It isn't right to have a slave just rest at home anyways, there's not that much domestic toil for her to do every day, lots of kneeling at the door waiting for Master's return. Now, having a girl be suffering like that permanently? Nah probably not. she will break eventually "living" that way, and that's no fun. she'll be way less entertaining that way, but there is value to being told that this is her life now only to "grant her some rare mercy" and let her out after a few weeks. There's plenty of slaves who are frustrating and need a lot of discipline, so even if you never intended to keep her in there permanently the fear that she could stop being multi purpose will help keep her in line.
How do toilets work in this universe.Because I'd like to sign someone up lol
>>11467750>Slavery is so endemic that women functionally can't exist outside it in Kith society.>Kith society is hyper-sexualizedSo what's the Kith view on sex work and "easy" women?Sex positive patriarchy being a /d/ take on things.What about clothing for women, is it all fetish gear, practical, or just nude?And relating to >>11464233How are the topics of Rape and women's consent dealt with by the Kith?>>11469020>any interest in a slave that exists as an ornament or decoration?Always like the idea of "A slaves training/health reflects her master".Bit like how there's pet shows IRL and how luxury cars are kept for display over actual use.So daughters are well trained & healthy ready for sale.Rich masters have maids for practical use but also to display wealth.
>>11470813>sex work and "easy" women?Tourism / Export industry. You're usually perceived of as being a bit of a loser for buying a prostitute in Kith society assuming you are one of them. The only exception is semi-nomadic kith. The reality of life in Kith society is that the patriarch may travel quite a bit, so it isn't unusual for them to have 'field harems' where ever they may travel but typically they'll just have a few favored courtesans or high end prostitutes who know their schedule and keep it clear when they're in town.But generally the reasons you would buy a prostitute or take an easy fuck in Kith society is because you're poor and bad with money, or you're a tourist, or you're sampling the goods.>What about clothing for women, is it all fetish gear, practical, or just nude?Rule of thumb, the more revealing the outfit, the wealthier the owner. Up to the oddly specific point that they're nude or functionally nude. Kith women usually deliberately ride the line between nude / slutty and elegant / revealing as closely as possible. On the one hand it is often meant to catch master / husband's attention. On the other, it's a huge display of wealth that your home is warm enough that your wives can run around in dresses with massive plunging backs and side boob. >How are the topics of Rape and women's consent dealt with by the Kith?A woman's consent is functionally whatever her husband decides it is. Barring that, her owner, or oldest male relative. If none of the above exist she is typically treated as a provisional ward of her kith. Rape- in the conventional sense, not, "Her husband wanted it and she wasn't in the mood"- is usually frowned upon. It's a good way of getting hung. If you want a woman, you claim her, or you buy her. If she isn't for sale, you do something to demonstrate her owner is unfit. Although at that point she's usually perceived of as being used goods so trying to buy her after she's already been bought is usually seen as slummy.
>>11467750>Men are ironically disposable>aren't the first or second born of a patriarchWhat's the view on courtesans/prostitutes having bastards with clients?>>11470911>you're a tourist, or you're sampling the goodsSo for most women, leaving her birth family usually means a trip to the slave market?Stuff like private auction or arranged marriages are a upper class thing.Or what about selling daughters to brothels or others being "family" run?>line between nude / slutty and elegant>often meant to catch master / husband's attentionSo is there public sex and other "normal" forms of lewdity?Like just how libertine/sex positive is your setting?
>>11470934>courtesans/prostitutes having bastards with clients?Don't. The entire point to a courtesan or a prostitute is they leave. Although it isn't unheard of for a client to buy up a courtesan it isn't common and it's typically ruinously expensive.>So for most women, leaving her birth family usually means a trip to the slave market?Depending on where a kin sits in the hierarchy of their kith, the goals of a given family is typically to get their boys the best arranged marriages and to marry off their daughters to whichever kith / kin will advance their own position.Of course anything other than the first two or three sons aren't perceived as 'valuable' and there's no shortage of patriarchs who indulge in doting on a favored daughter or three. >Stuff like private auction or arranged marriages are a upper class thing.Private auctions, sure, arranged marriages, not so much. Two guys who were buddies growing up and have their own little kins running a few decades later will frequently arrange marriages between their children, especially if they already know the kids get along. >Like just how libertine is your setting?As a rule of thumb the more nomadic the kith the more traditional- traditional to kith standards, mind you- they become. Fewer wives, more kids between them, wives are more likely to work in the family business. The more sedentary kith- especially the ones who don't work in occupations like mining and take up service economies like prostitution and mercantilism- tend to be much more libertine. >So is there public sex and other "normal" forms of lewdity?Sure.
>>11467505R u retarded
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>>11471013>other than the first two or three sons>patriarchs who indulge in doting on a favored daughter or threeCute, just love the idea that patriarchy/enslavement actually makes life easier/more pleasurable for women.Them being owned as property means no need to worry about life just obeying and pleasing master.Patriarchy placing innate value in women as breeders and fuck toys, men aiming to have more daughters then sons.Outside of Master's few heirs spares fend for themselves.>sedentary kith...>service economies like prostitution and mercantilism- tend to be much more libertineWhole sedentary/nomad topic brings to mind the idea of sin cities.Located at a nexus of trade or an oasis, it caters to nomads and sex tourists.Offering slave markets, brothels, wombs for hire, courtesans, etc.Less harsh life style/conditions allowing for a more /D/egenerate culture!>client to buy up a courtesanAny sort of family/blood line type stuff going on with brothels and courtesans?Like women being born and bred specifically to be trained in sexual service...Also what's the stance on incest in your setting?
>>11471852>Whole sedentary/nomad topic brings to mind the idea of sin cities.Old Vega has that reputation. Even pre-collapse it was seen as a roost for vice trades. People travel from all over just to gawk at the Kith slave markets so where the Kith do business do have ways of becoming red light districts. That said, the idiosyncrasies of Kith culture do mean that when and where they actually establish year-round settlements, it is usually a huge deal that necessitates the High Kith and the elders to gather and agree on it. Vega was established because they needed to guarantee water access, Horto is a bit unusual because it is an ancient port city. It is technically an urbanite settlement- the Kith have zero maritime tradition- and the Kith run what is effectively an embassy out of the city but in practice very little politicking happens there and most people go there to buy slaves or ink contracts with the Kith. >Any sort of family/blood line type stuff going on with brothels and courtesans?Because of how debt works, a woman who is a courtesan or a prostitute typically has daughters who will likewise be in the same trade, to the scale of generations. Usually when a courtesan reaches a certain age where they start making less money, or is otherwise not getting bought, she is pulled out of the brothels and paired off with a desirable stud to start making babies. Her sons have a decent shot of buying out their slave debt but her daughters likely wont. >Like women being born and bred specifically to be trained in sexual service...Yup. Everything from women sold into sexual slavery to women who were born and bred and raised for the purpose of working in the sex trades. >what's the stance on incest in your setting?Depends on how open the Kith is but even hard liners will concede that life in a patriarch's harem does lend itself to incest. Pretty much anything goes as long as it doesn't involve fucking the patriarch's wives, and doesn't involve producing kids.
>>11472482Didn't ask
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>>11472626Dude no one cares anymore
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>>11472482>women who were born and bred and raised for the purpose of working in the sex trades.Any kind of unique tattoos, outfits or body art to set sex workers part from regular slave women?Given most women are already dressed like >>11473087 how do whores "stand out".Stuff that's seen as degrading by those out side the Kith, inside women being dressed and used as whores is their Natural stateAlso any chance for outside women to be enslaved as whores?And how are they "broken in"?>courtesan or a prostitute typically has daughters>likewise be in the same tradeAny kind of stardom or fame for women(idols, celebrity families, etc)?Just love the idea that the only way for women to climb the latter/earn fame is though sex work/breeding.
>>11473406>Any kind of unique tattoos, outfits or body art to set sex workers part from regular slave women?All slaves are required to have some form of identification that singles them out as slaves. Although the standard one is some form of collar, there's no firm requirements so everything from frilly chokers to iron collars to elaborate tattoos are used identify sex workers. At this point its more a marketing tool than anything else- men want to be seen with women who have gold filigree chokers or stainless steel posture collars or any one of a hundred different ornaments meant to identify what school they were trained in, what kith they're from, and what brothel they operate out of. >Also any chance for outside women to be enslaved as whores?It isn't horribly common- although the Kith lands are treated as a dumping ground for politically inconvenient men and women from urbanite society, the fact that women coming from there are usually literate and can have some unusual skills usually means they might have a chance of finding work somewhere other than a brothel. One of the more common pieces of propaganda out of Kith territory is a series of novels following the life and times of a woman who was a doctor who offended the wrong politician and found herself enslaved after the politician's wife objected to her getting his attention. Normally ending up in the sex trades requires a woman to be attractive, and command a huge debt. If the brothel madams think she might be at risk of buying out her own freedom after a few years they won't bother, such women usually end up in harems as menial labor. >Any kind of stardom or fame for women(idols, celebrity families, etc)?The lineage of desirable slave women are tracked like how we have car models. The family names of prolific women carry a ton of weight at the auction block.
>>11473670>The family names of prolific women carry a ton of weight at the auction block.And because the B'yotek maintain obsessive records of lineages, this is often public knowledge. They have their own reasons for this but as far as the Kith are concerned it makes valuable sex slaves even more valuable.>and what brothel they operate out ofThere's a whole visual language to the women slaves in Kith society. >>11473406>And how are they "broken in"?Strangely enough, consensually. On a long enough timeline refusal will end badly for any woman but Kith society broadly understands that a woman has a right to refuse. But one woman in a mass of tens or even hundreds of them, all of whom understand their place in the social order except herself will only last so long before she's subsumed in the larger community. Nothing quite breaks a woman's resistance like watching her new ad-hoc social circle all treat their slavery like it's the most natural, obvious thing they ever engaged in. On a long enough time line she either realizes that submission is the path of least resistance, or she learns to desire to thrive in spite of her station. Either case is treated as a benefit.
How much would you buy a lesbian for? In this scenario, she has a girlfriend, and both of them are virgins who are madly in love with each other.
>>11473941Buying a bonded pair helps get around the problems that owning more than one slave will inevitably have. They'd likely get a higher price at auction just off of that alone.Maybe if they were visibly defiant or trying to fight back against being forced to suck cock for the rest of their lives that would lower their price, but they're just slaves. They can and will be broken, so it doesn't matter that much. They sound like fun, I'd probably buy them for 30% more than a average pair, but that's dependent on if they can impress me with just how madly in love they are with their new slave sister during inspection.
>>11474008For this scenario they are truly and totally in love, and both would swear to do anything for the other’s sake. They want to be married and take each other’s virginity. They really do love each other so much, but since they’re slaves (albeit unsold and unused) they haven’t even been able to share a first kiss yet.
>>11473941>>11474129The fact they have such an easily exploitable motivator makes things easy. First, to ensure compliance, they are to be separated. "You wouldn't want your love to get punished in your stead, would you?" Each will do just about anything if it means protecting the other.Step two involves breaking down the weaker of the two. Inform her that any punishments one of them deserves are inflicted on both. When the stronger disobeys, punish the weaker as well, but when the weaker disobeys, only punish her. The stronger will have no clue that her incompetence and stubbornness will directly hurt her lover. The weaker will feel betrayed, thinking "I'm punished so much more because of her! How could she do this to me?" Foster the discontentment, and when they both deserve the reward of some time together, watch the frustration come pouring out. The stronger will be accused and hurt by the weaker, but don't give her time to console the other. Foster the virgins' anger at each other.Step three is straightforward: Break the weaker girl. Condition her to love sucking cock, and to all but forget the stronger. When the time is right, bring them together again. Force the stronger to watch her old partner get her virginity taken. Fucked raw for hours and hours on end. The broken, weak girl will lose herself completely. Forgetting about her yuri fantasy in place of the overwhelming sex. The stronger will feel betrayed and hopeless. She'll give up completely, defeated. Congratulations! You now have two compliant sluts. Perhaps you can reawaken their love for each other; prostitute them out as a pair. Perhaps turn them into vicious rivals. Either way, you win. Though, is it really a victory if the losers had no chance to begin with?
>>11473670>elaborate tattoos are used identify sex workers>lineage of desirable slave women are trackedPlaying into /d/, maybe there's brothels that double as slave markets.Mothers/sisters selling their bodies and smoothly convincing customers to buy a relative.Women not just being breeders but actively supporting and taking part in female enslavement>outside women to be enslaved>It isn't horribly commonSo kith have high enough birth rates to supply their demand for slaves, does it play into "Handmaid's tale" tropes.Like /d/ystopian breeding centers or is it more paternalist in the treatment of women?>>11473672>whole visual language to the women slavesAny details on this sort of thing?Always fun when slaves have a crab bucket mentality and have bought into it.>>11473941>LesbiansIronic take on this; Patriarchy actively supporting lesbianism and bi-sexuality in women.Something about harems, lewdity and being sex positive so the ideal women is Bi.She's got to get along with others after all...
>>11474393>So kith have high enough birth rates to supply their demand for slaves, does it play into "Handmaid's tale" tropes.Oh, no. Urbanite society treats Kith land as a dumping ground and pressure relief valve. Political dissidents, criminals, debtors and anyone who happens to annoy someone of means will frequently find themselves sold off to Kith slavers. But women sold into slavery tend to make bad sex slaves and it is virtually unheard of for them to have the education and temperament to become a courtesan. If they weren't raised in it, most female slaves sold into Kith society usually find themselves working as labor. It's their daughters who will get sold into the sex trades. Because Urbanite women tend to be inexpensive they're deliberately put in roles where the pay is shit so they wont conceivably buy out their debt contract and instead will have to do it by having children. Children who will be so buried in debt by absorbing their mother's that they- or at least the women- will likely never pay it off in their life unless they do the exact same thing.>Any details on this sort of thing?The Cult of Hours, among other things, are a bunch of exhibitionist nudists. While they don't have a strict hierarchy, you can identify the elders of the cult based on how elaborate their body paint is. Every priestess in the cult has an elaborate full body painting (at least up to the head, at any rate) that more or less tells the story of their time in the cult. Similarly, every courtesan in Kith Madam has identical hair styling and makeup. This isn't exactly to make them all look exactly identical, but to stress a sort of equality in their profession. But you identify who takes and who gives orders based on the material and how ornate their dresses are. Newly minted courtesans usually have simple cotton dresses while the women who answer directly to the high kith typically have ornate silk dresses with silver and gold embroidering.
>>11474393>>11475085>Any details on this sort of thing?Sometimes this stuff isn't horribly complicated- the women of Kith Vaquero tend to wear more leather the better off their husband is, and tend to wear cheaper fabrics if that is not the case. You can identify the nomad kith in the winter by who's wearing more wool. Sometimes you have something like Cult Nihil, who's women have entire cryptographic messages tattooed into their bodies. As a result, the more lettering on her body, or the more 'redacted flesh' she has, the longer she's been with the cult. There's at least as many of these traditions as there are kith, and every one has their own ideas on how to identify their women. >Playing into /d/, maybe there's brothels that double as slave markets.Theoretically any woman working at a brothel is for sale.
>>11475085>women sold into slavery tend to make bad sex slaves>working as labor. It's their daughters who will get sold into the sex tradesHope there's also demeaning treatment and bullying from women all centered on them NOT being a sex slave.They're looked down on, all while they get to see other women being pampered by master.Being used for sex and even having the chance to breed is something they have to earn.Cause they know it's the only escape from dull life of drudgery.>exhibitionist nudists>priestess in the cult has an elaborate full body paintingIdea; what about full body tattoos, like those seen in japan.With the /d/ element being pornographic scenes being the main focuse of these tattoosThem being nudists, they'll show off their bodies and art.Another idea could be slave "art" shows? A mix of body art and orgy(/fit/ slaves also included)>>11475092>any woman working at a brothel is for saleMentioned Studs in >>11472482 so the norm for whores is being paired with studs?Fairy tale ending has her bought by a favored customer.Sound romantic either way...
>>11475906>so the norm for whores is being paired with studs?Studs are men from desirable lineages who either voluntarily or are made to become slaves for the purpose of impregnating other slaves. A bog standard prostitute probably wont justify the cost of entry but a courtesan with a long, profitable career who's at the end of her earning years (typically around 25) is often going to be paired off with a stud to start getting pregnant. More often than not studs primary clientele are women from urbanite society- turns out there's no shortage of liberated, independent women who really want to be laid low by a male sex slave. There is also a perverse hobby of slave wives to wealthier kith who get bored and start buying up women and studs (mind you, women can own female slaves but only a man can own another man so technically her husband bought the stud) to have them produce children like how bored women today will buy dogs because they think it'd be adorable if Fifi had a litter. >Idea; what about full body tattoos, like those seen in japan.Full body tattoos are typically indicative of the more extreme kith and cults. By the time a woman in Cult Nihil reaches the end of her active duty she is often plastered in 'redacted' tattoos, functionally turning much of her skin into tattoos. It's viewed as trashy and cliched by most of Kith society but the more machismo kith will also tattoo their names on their slaves like a child might with their toys.>A mix of body art and orgyThat describes the Cult of Hours. Although they do hold ceremonies to recognize the turning of each season, the two big ones are the Harvest Festival and the Fertility Festival, which observe the start of Fall and Spring, respectively. Harvest Festival is like October Fest, if it involved more orgies and less fried food. Typically a giant bawdy, drunken affair. Spring is similar, with less alcohol.
>>11476014Paired with studs? NoPaired with stds? Yes
>>11476014>standard prostitute probably wont justify the costMaybe market the chance to knock a prostitute as part of advertisement.Or rewarding a whore with daughters to pass off some of her debt slavery.Johns wave any ownership on slaves produced, just another way to fill the slave markets!Fuck up version of "innate value of women" is their use in breeding.>no shortage of liberated, independent women who really want to be laid low by a male sex slaveHope there's at least some cases of fine print scams.Like getting knocked up by a stud puts free women into contract hell and eventually debt slavery.Just find any flimsy reason to put more women in chains!>perverse hobby of slave wives... buying up women and studs...Odd for a patriarchy, but any other cases of women being empowered but still supporting female enslavement?Head nuns running a coven of sluts, women as enforcers of the slave system, etc.Some women always being radicals/trouble makers, better to find a pro-slavery outlet for these women.
>women being empowered but still supporting female enslavementNTA, but a question for the thread, how "competent" would you want your slaves to be? Or I guess that might be the wrong word, but would you want your slaves to exist essentially as pets? With the most important jobs they could ever have being within the harem itself? Or would you(and I mean anyone reading this) be fine with slaves filling more important roles?I tend to like settings with a gender skew, but even within a 1 to 1 world it would be possible to have some slaves doing important jobs, involved in business potentially, at least in the mass management of other slaves should you own enough. Like how the Romans had slaves who were training in everything from medicine and calculations to entertainment, or how a pride of lions has most of the hunting done by the females, but it's pretty clear who's in charge.Would it be too risky to give any power like that? Either it goes to her head, or the necessity of working with men she technically "outranks" could throw into question the whole ideals of the patriarchy. On the flip side, the hyper competent, but born and raised obedient slave is a super hot archetype to me, so who knows?
>>11477314As a general rule, slaves do any form of menial or hard labour, their owners are the ones who do management and mental tasks. Sure you might have a girl who is good with numbers, or knows how to manipulate her sisters to get work out of them better than many overseers, but just because she's personally a exception to the rule that is no reason at all to upend the order that the vast majority of them follow. Special treatment, however deserved, would merely go to her head. Most slavery settings have to handwave away a lot if you want to have something like a industrial society but a bare minimum of half of the workforce usually can't even read, but try not to think too hard about slavery economics and you'll be fine. Thinking is for the men who are allowed to read anyways. >hyper competent, but born and raised obedient slave is a super hot archetypeOh she can still be trusted to do her duties with basically no supervision, but I like the idea that trusting her with anything more than her very simple tasks, no matter how good she is at it and how you know she could do more, will eventually end up corrupting her. A slave must always answer to those above her, and never to a equal.
>>11477335Yeah, that's probably the right answer. I still find the idea of intelligent, skilled or otherwise powerful women who are totally submissive hot. It's unrealistic, since why would these women be happy with middle management, but it's still a hot concept for me.Maybe picking out the best of the best and ensuring she's still under any male guards, taskmasters etc. I own but letting her be in charge of the other slaves is a middle ground that could work.It's funny cause while I'm normally not super into settings with massive gender skews, but in this case it might work. If there are 7 or 8 girls for every boy, or even more, then obviously every dirty and dangerous job would be done by women, but so would many important jobs, just with direct male oversight at all times.
>>11477314>how "competent" would you want your slaves to be? Kith society allows for slaves to be as competent as their means allows. The slave wives of a patriarch are more or less expected to run his harem and the civil side of his business ventures and if they command enough trust from their master, they may even be granted the right of proxy by him, functionally making their word the same as his. >On the flip side, the hyper competent, but born and raised obedient slave is a super hot archetype to me, so who knows?Kith women understand that regardless of what they want in life, it comes best through their men. If their aims are humble and they merely want to be productive mothers who bask in the fruit of her husband's labor, that is completely normal. But if she has aspirations, those still come best from subservience to her husband. >>11476822>Maybe market the chance to knock a prostitute as part of advertisement.Prostitutes are rarely ever allowed to get pregnant- especially not in their prime years. From 20 to roughly 25 - 30 her primary role is sexual services. >Like getting knocked up by a stud puts free women into contract hell and eventually debt slavery.If a free woman gets impregnated by a stud, the child is technically the stud's property, and whoever owns him by proxy. If she can't pay that debt- in universe this would be like trying to steal a sports car- she becomes a slave accordingly. Of course in-universe some of the most common propaganda is romance novels sold in urbanite territory with that exact plot contrivance.
>>11477745Having a gender ratio is probably pretty necessary for this kind of thing to really work. I can see there being this culture that women are weaker: Physically, mentally, spiritually, but that just means that they are tools, not people. When there's so many of them compared to their betters sure a man could do those hard labour jobs better with his strength, but his slaves are closer to a pulley than a person, it's right that the strong manages even the hard toil done by the weak. So squaring away that system with the fantasy of a extremely smart, capable, and still completely submissive woman who would be breaking a lot of cultural norms, I imagine most people would still recognize that slaves can technically become as smart as people, it's just very rare. And people will look at the other way when they do if only for the benefits she brings her betters. Sure she could cause problems if she chooses to rebel, but she never will. It's been years since a man has meaningfully stood over her and inspected her work, but they don't really need to. she's proven herself again and again telling the tools what to do, making them way better at the lives their Master's have chosen for them than any male overseer has forced out of them before. Maybe there's some dominant religion that sees this as some cosmically wrong thing, but that's not how this slave thinks. It's actually a massive act of devotion and service to take charge of her fellow tools and make them even better like this. she exists to serve, and she will not stop until she has given everything her soul is capable of giving.
>>11476822>women being empowered but still supporting female enslavement?Real life.You'd be surprised what a big percentage of women think nowadays when given complete confidenciality or anonimity.
>>11477314>risky to give any power... working with men she technically "outranks"Society could see these women as extensions of their master's will.In an objectifying way, women with power are just tools for their masters.Might even go so far as to have unique tattoos/collars that set them apart.>>11477335>hyper competent, but born and raised obedient slavePlaying into the breeding/ family aspect; women in power have daughters, sisters, etc. kept effectively as hostages.Tacitly these women know their pampered life is tied to obeying their master.Plus MILF play, women done with breeding dominate younger women.>>11477975I mean empowered in roles actively supporting enslavement, not just indirect stuffA wife lording over her husband's maids being a tame example.Brothel madam running a whore house for her master, women as slave trainers, etc.It's putting other women in their place.
>>11477975>You'd be surprised what a big percentage of women think nowadays when given complete confidentiality or anonymity.This. And the older I get the more I think they're right, that we really should repeal the 19th and all that. From the booktok smut they consume to the inclinations that literally every woman I've ever known that talked about it has disclosed to the surrogate-seeking behavior of childless female millennials, it's impossible to ignore, and once you start thinking it might be the normal state of affairs as programmed by human biology you start noticing it everywhere and it's impossible to un-see it. A solid majority of women do not want to have the same self-agency as men and are in fact not equipped to be so, and engineering our society to force that on every woman, and brainwashing them all into thinking it was the de-facto norm, instead of just allowing opportunity for the outliers to achieve equality if they wanted it is the root cause of the majority of our societal ills. And the crazy thing is, this is the only place I can say it without reservation. Can't even feel comfortable saying it in the most redpilled chud groupchat imaginable because everyone wonder's how much is sincere belief and how much is "muh fetish," but it's true nonetheless. Most women should be subject to at least some male authority and most women need a good slap when they get hysterical or bitchy. This is how we evolved for millions of years and that programming is alive and well, and the more we try to suppress it, the less we'll breed.
thanks tedtalk etc
>>11478283I think most of those redpilled chuds are into the idea of female inferiority since they have some insecurity about themselves. That they need some cosmic force backing them up when they try to force a woman beneath them instead of being strong enough to look at you saying this stupid shit and just telling you to shut the fuck up. I'm not surprised this thread is the only place where you feel like you're treated appropriately for speaking your mind. I do think a lot of submissive people feel their submission through their gender being inferior, and a lot more women are submissive than many people would admit, but eh. slaves are just tools anyways, how many people ask a broom for it's thoughts on philosophy?
>>11478312ok whiteknight, come back and share your opinions when you've actually talked to a few more women. Or maybe after your balls drop and you get out of high school and realize that it's not Chad Gigacock Jock they're flocking to, but some frequently unemployed meth head living in a trailer that beats them like a drum.
>>11456885The key point of such a small-scale society is not coercion, but rather a change in mindset. It aims to make women believe that serving men is their duty, and that serving and being used is the source of happiness, while self-happiness is not. This is done to instill the idea that they cannot reach climax.
>>11456860Is it necessary to attach a picture when making a speech here? Well, I'll also send an additional one.
>>11478312Although this is the case, many things cannot be explained clearly. The fundamental principle of explanation and listening to explanations is to develop and cultivate one's thinking logic that only relies on evidence. Once this logic is formed, humans will develop an infinite thinking inertia, and everything will require proof. However, people cannot learn to actively seek evidence and distinguish when to prove and when not to. At this time, things will become chaotic. Therefore, sometimes talking a lot of nonsense is not as good as simply acknowledging gender discrimination.
>>11478283>we really should repeal the 19th and all that>A solid majority of women do not want to have the same self-agency as men and are in fact not equipped to be so>just allowing opportunity for the outliers to achieve equality if they wantedIt's pretty much how it should go. Women should be controlled tightly as they have always been.For the record I also think a small percentage of men should also have their political rights (and only their political rights) limited. Too many dumb fuckers in society today suddenly have political rights when they never historically had them and it's showing.
>>11478319This is some 2014 ass incel lingo. I know you're a old and worn out tool trying to relive the classics, but you even got some of it wrong. Chad "Gigacock"? Really? Want to try that one again? I get that you're trying to get a rise out of me and I enjoy talking down to you but you really should tattoo "undeniably above the age of 30" on your forehead if you're going to unironically call someone a white knight. Oh sorry, a "whiteknight". Fuckin' dipshit, no wonder that mouth is expressing your attempts at thoughts instead of sucking cock like it's supposed to.
>>11478436Or just don't be a retarded white knight
>>11478436>Chad "Gigacock"? Really?I just made that up it's not "lingo" or anything. You're still allowed to just come up with your own sentences, it's a thing>if you're going to unironically call someone a white knightWait, that was your big tip-off and not the part where I talked to you like an old man telling the kids to get off his lawn!?>>11478436>I get that you're trying to get a rise out of menah I'm just venting. old man yells at cloud SaaS news at 11>instead of sucking cock like it's supposed tonice segue but I'm not smol uwu enough for this I think the femboi union would break my legs for thatAnyfuck you'll see what I'm talking about soon enough. Wait till you find out how women actually feel about fat bastards...
>>11478398>For the record I also think a small percentage of men should also have their political rights (and only their political rights) limited. Too many dumb fuckers in society today suddenly have political rights when they never historically had them and it's showing.This, pretty much. Heinlein was onto something with the general idea of gatekeeping the voting franchise. Some women deserve the vote and more than few men definitely don't, IMO. And, mind, IDGAF if a chick likes being dominated and degraded in bed; doesn't mean she's an irresponsible dumbass in daily life, fantasies aren't reality etc. but an awful lot of people *do* carry that over to IRL. I wonder what the consensus in the BDSM community is regarding "lifestyle" slavery; is it really just a fantasy if you're living it constantly when you're at home with your significant other? The fantasy/real life divide isn't absolute even though people like to pretend it is.
>>11478090>>11477782>society allows for slaves to be as competent as their means allowsWonder if there's anything like trophy/display slaves.Unlike courtesan they're really for sex work, instead being vanity projects for their masters.Sparing time n resources to have a woman trained in art, music, dance etc. purely as a display of wealth.Most well educated/skilled women are just slaves for Master's sapiosexual fetishes.>20 to roughly 25 - 30 her primary role is sexual servicesHoping a whore's retirement from sex work means being bred as a reward, even if it's not with a stud.it's objectification/exploitation packaged as a reward.Even past their prime, masters still get use out of their slaves.>she can't pay that debt she becomes a slaveDebt repayment as a slave should be rigged to force her deeper into slavery.To the point she's "choosing" to have daughters for the sake for throwing debt burden onto them.I'd imagine many slave bloodlines have passed on debt to the point that when repaid there's still no "out" for them.Kilth life is all they know.
Fuck, I wish I was a slavewife. Rubbing my clit to this thread rn
>>11478712Do it you won't
>>11464156wow picrel is so pretty....
>>11478690>Wonder if there's anything like trophy/display slaves.There is a weird duality with high ranking kith where family patriarchs tend to raise their older daughters to be political wives- meant to cement relations with other kith, or urbanites- while the younger daughters are paradoxically the more expensive ones. The stereotype of a retired patriarch (so, roughly 50 years old) is that he tends to dote on his youngest children so the daughters end up marrying for love and they tend to be afforded things like hobbies instead of a rote training routine to become a 'perfect' slave wife. There's also the more straight forward ornamental wives who are supposed to embody some kind of feminine ideal ranging from brood mothers to bimbos and tomboys. And of course there's always courtesans who are highly trained slave sex workers who are expected to provide more than mere sexual stimulation for their patrons.>Debt repayment as a slave should be rigged to force her deeper into slavery.That's almost exactly how it works. By odds kith women will never buy their freedom, and on the off chance they do, they'd still be so heavily entrenched with their existing owner that it'd be meaningless. Usually it ends up happening when a patriarch passes away and a slave wife has enough money to buy her own freedom but is only doing so to ensure that her children aren't being raised as defacto slaves to some prospect suitor. Most male slaves will buy their own freedom but women rarely do simply because their employment is usually limited wages and many of their jobs don't drive much demand past 30. >>11478712>Fuck, I wish I was a slavewifeFind a man who will respect you and that can be arranged.
>>11478283Thank you for having the courage to speak your mind and say the quiet part out loud. As a woman i can confirm that everything you say is completely true, and despite women continuing to voice liberal beliefs to pollsters, i think under the surface there's a growing awareness of this and resignation to the return of male domination. As i've gotten older i've gradually realized that women just aren't biologically designed to be independant. It's not just because millions of years of evolution shaped us entirely for the purpose of having children, it's that the way women think is shaped by male attention, male directives, male preferences, etc. It was jarring when I realized at a certain point in my adult life how much so-called feminists and lesbians around me were actually obsessed with men. While most normal women accept that female careerism is more of ironic side effect of capitalist excess, feminists are consumed trying to maintain a contrived hysteria toward male dominance and power. This creed becomes so pervasive that I was shocked when I first learned about sex segregated leagues in e-sports and chess. Our ability to organize thoughts and execute strategies actually lags even further behind men than our strength. It's not that women are less intelligent, per se, it's that women think differently and are naturally cooperative, agreeable, and avoidant of conflict. We're programmed to help men achieve their goals, not function as your equals. >>11467637It gives me chills to realize that it's actually happening now and there's nothing we can do to stop it. Impossibly wealthy powerful men control everything, including the apps and artificial intelligence that control all the flow of information into our heads. Meanwhile we're discussing this on a website intended by powerful actors to facilitate the erosion of civil rights and anti-democratic movements that are now seizing power as we speak. 1/2
>>114799542/2I myself was slowly deprogrammed of my feminism by this thread, as well as LGD and slavery. I began exploring my interest in maledom on discord. By 2022 I was literally giving head while the news in the background was discussing Roe v. Wade being overturned. The sun was setting outside the window-- which was a fitting metaphor for the beginning of the end of women's equality. I voted right wing for the first time in 2024. I was hesitant about it at first, but events since then have finally pushed me toward full embrace of patriarchy. I now strongly believe that female suffrage and legal equality needs to be revoked in order for the human race to survive, and that we need to push for these changes by the most radical, subversive, and extralegal means. Just thinking about the totality and inevitability of total control of our minds and bodies facilitated by a global elite who are beyond the reach of any laws or governments, and feeling the invisible collar tighten around my neck makes me start gushing. For the first time in years i'm very excited about what the next 5 or 10 years will bring.
>>11479954How old are you?
>>11480201Dont see why that matters but i'm in my 30s now and have been lurking patriarchy intermittently for at least 7 years.
>>11480225>Dont see why that matters but i'm in my 30sBecause I fucking asked for it.It probably pleases you to know you are not the first, or second, or even third story I know of a submissive woman who found themselves sucking cock while Roe v. Wade wa overturned.Maybe it would make you more comfortable knowing there were probably thousands of women in the same position as yours when it happened.Here's hoping you cunts are in the millions when we finally repeal the 19th.
>>11479954> wealthy powerful men control everything, including the apps and artificial intelligence that control all the flow of information into our heads. Meanwhile we're discussing this on a website intended by powerful actors to facilitate the erosion of civil rights and anti-democratic movements that are now seizing power as we speak.As a man, we're just as much at the whim of the very very select few uber rich ruling classY'all act like all men have this advantage, but nope we're wage slaves same as we were under kings of old
>>11480237I'm sorry, i'm an idiot for using rude and disrespectful language, please forgive me. I pray every day you'll successfully get rid of my right to vote, own property, file lawsuits or be considered legally competent to testify. I am so glad you know other women who think like i do. I dream of the day when I can vote away my own rights. I want to see the look on stuck up feminist faces when they lose in a landslide and are collared en masse!>>11480341Admittedly that's true but having womeb as a subservient slave caste would help working class men feel a bit better about their lot in life, which would be worth it!
>>11480341ew omg do you even hear yourself did you read this before posting it. of course men have advantages in society women don't we live under a patriarchy right now. sure the elites are bad and inact change that puts everyone down but they also lobby for and inact change that put women down specifically. as someone of lower class you are able to use the tools of the patriarchy to put the women around you down, instead of celebrating the fact society is 'moving in the right direction' you reply this. can't you go find somewhere else to whine? i'm a leftist and my real life opinions are very different from what i'm saying but even i know making a comment like this here is dumb.
>>11480534Artist source is saageliusOlder male/Daddy-dom content is the type of hentai that's hard to find.But perfect fit for the thread.>>11479660>raise their older daughters to be political wives>youngest daughters afforded things like hobbies instead of a rote training routine to become a 'perfect' slave wifeCute, love the idea of women's enslavement creates lifestyles that's better/easier then being free.No more studies for jobs and competing with men, nor the stress of running their own lives.Just a life spent knowing they're the prize and preparing to be sold off.Might be funny too, slave women viewing free women with a mixture of contempt and pity>slave wife has enough money to buy her own freedom>ensure that her children aren't being raised as defacto slavesHope there's more sexist kith when it comes to stuff like this.Patriarch passes, funds used so male heir isn't indebted but mothers and sisters become property of eldest son.Or there's some system to find nearest male relative to take ownership of the women.Allowing or having women be freed being a option of last resort.
>>11480554thank you for the praise Sir! i thought it would be the perfect fit too<3 I know it has a bit more of a western style but she's one of my favourite artists and what she makes really spoke to me when I was younger. sometimes I wonder if it helped contribute to the way I am now. I mean besides the other things.
>>11480529>I want to see the look on stuck up feminist faces when they lose in a landslide and are collared en masse!That's a good cunt!I could hear a woman like you debase herself all week long. Sometimes you are wonderful creatures. Inferior, but wonderful.
>>11480534Name one real advantage, you can't lel
>>11480825NTA and excuse me Sir but, men naturally have advantages over women because they're men. Men are stronger and can defend themselves better, and most important politicians, influencers and political thinkers are men, as well as most athletes and religious leaders. Men also control the military. Also it's mostly men who control the most powerful corporations and are part of the epstein elite. Basically, men have total control over the fundamental institutions if society and women could never change that, even if we wanted to. We cant compete with the strength, intelligence, and intellectual skill men have.Men also have unimpeded access to cheap contraception and they get to choose whether or not they parent children if they get women pregnant. No one questions a man's right to ignore his children as long as he pays his minimum child support. But if a woman gets pregnant she is epected to be responsibke for the child and raise it, often even by herself, which takes a lot of time and resources. Men also dont have to spent as much time getting ready to go out, and their clothes are more comfortable. Meanwhile the standards for what women have to do are high. You have to spend time doing makeup and spend a lot of money on clothes. Women's clothes are revealing and often leave you defenseless. High heels are hard to walk in. But it's essential women do these things for male approval! If you don't do it you're a lazy entitled girl.So... basically men already start out with the advantage... but we need to make changes thay recognize the clear biological differences and natural roles that men and women have and place women more firmly under the direct control of men, and giving men more authority over our bodies especially when it comes to sex and pregnancy. Even the amount of independence that we have been allowed to have has been terrible both for us and for society as a whole.
>>11481001When you make all those typos is it because you're too excited touching yourself to type properly? Do you even ask a man for permission every time you orgasm? you can't consent, you're just a slave. If your Master doesn't give you permission, then you're sexually assaulting yourself. Since you clearly don't have one who can tolerate your presence just randomly asking any man you know should be good enough. I doubt you're good at hiding what you are anyways.
>>11481001thanks for explaining it for me but you couldve done a little better lol>>11481019you all make it so hard to argue with you its so frustrating
>>11469020source?
>>11481447silly helpless anon... do some detective work
>>11481447Artist ishttps://www.pixiv.net/en/users/62963751
>>11481448I did tryyy I tried so hard I just really couldn't find it :(can't you help me??
>>11481453oh thank you!
>>11481001>clear biological differences and natural roles>get women pregnantNot sure if this fits the thread, but wondering if fertility worship/praise being part of patriarchies.Just something about how men valuing women purely as sex toys/breeders seems like a natural fit with enslaving women.Women being weaker, less intelligent, etc. so what better way to use them?>No one questions a man's right to ignoreleaning into stuff like >>11480559 with the Daddy Dom stuff, society linking slave holding to a man's status.Large harems, well trained, health slave women, etc. Women's trade off for being enslaved is being cared for.Bit like how pets are their owner's responsibility.
>>11481474>Not sure if this fits the thread, but wondering if fertility worship/praise being part of patriarchies.The most popular faith in Kith society is a fertility cult. One of the rare exceptions to the secularism of Kith politics, the Cult of Lux is actually afforded full kith rights and virtually every settlement in Kith territory has at least a shrine to their faith. They're also, functionally, the stewards of birth rates, with one of their responsibilities being collecting and reporting on demographic data throughout Kith lands. Which sounds boring- it is- but also heavily influences official policy. Too many men cause stability problems so the High Kith will put their heads together to decide if they want more wars of expansion or some other scheme to keep demographics stable. >>11480554>Might be funny too, slave women viewing free women with a mixture of contempt and pityCanonically Urbanites like to collect data that they claim demonstrates how 'free' their society is when in reality it only proves that their women are over worked, isolated, socially anxious and mentally ill. Kith women give up their political autonomy- women don't actually like politics, believe it or not- and what they gained was their lives. Hell, kith men have a reputation for being better lovers despite treating their women as property. Kith society expects men to work hard but it also expects them to have a life. Urbanite society looks at men and says, "What do you mean they only work 40 hours a week?" Contemporary- to the plot, mind you- capitalism has made women insane and men boring. Urbanites have the most shallow understanding of the term, "Freedom." >Allowing or having women be freed being a option of last resort.It's usually perceived of as a waste of time. Some women buy out their slave debt but their daughters are still property, and their good treatment relies on the approval of their father.
>>11480529>I want to see the look on stuck up feminist faces when they lose in a landslide and are collared en masse!That made me so wet honestly and it makes my mind start racing with all sorts of images... Female news anchors having to uncomfortably announce the news of their own enslavement and then getting collared while still on air. Obnoxious leftist influencers being forced to livestream as they're stripped, handcuffed and taken away to be auctioned off. Police raiding college towns to capture radical feminist professors and student activists and marching them naked across campus to be thrown into vans and taken to breeding camps. And women watching it all unfold with a mix of horror and excitement, wondering when it's their turn <33
>>11482097>women watching it all unfold with a mix of horror and excitementPublic humiliation, is the best party why not take it a step further.Turn their avenue of fame into tools of their enslavement.News anchor is sold via TV marketing on her old stationStreamer website shifts into live porn & chat bidding on them.Women have their college campus turned into brothels and traditional slave markets>>11481952>popular faith in Kith society is a fertility cult>functionally, the stewards of birth ratesHope there's also a focus on social praise, like it takes advantage of women's need for approval.A fertility cult celebrating women being the carrot on the stick.Feminists want women as inferior imitations of men, patriarchy celebrates slave women in their natural role.IE women as submissive pets(daddy-dom stuff) and fertility worshipPlus the lewd(fun) side of demographics; fertility festivals, creating pro-breeding culture
>>11482531>Hope there's also a focus on social praise, like it takes advantage of women's need for approval.That's pretty much how it works. Although Kith scholars have bitterly argued over it for centuries, the most important dates in a woman's life are the day she's inducted, the day she's bought, the day she's married off, the day she loses her virginity, the day she gets pregnant, and the day she gives birth. >Plus the lewd(fun) side of demographics; fertility festivals, creating pro-breeding culturePretty much every Kith and cult except Cult Nihil and the B'yotek are 'fun' in some capacity. Cult Lux and Cult Nihil exist as something of counterparts to each other- Nihil was spun out of a need to keep male population counts low so their founding charter was intended for them to pit upstarts against each other early, when they're young to avoid situations where whole Kith are being mobilized against each other and otherwise neutralizing self-styled revolutionaries and the occasional idiot who thinks the purpose of government is to tax and accumulate wealth for no particular reason. Likewise Cult Lux mostly exists to make sure women are being bought up, married off, and impregnated, repeatedly. >>11482097There's cases on the books where a woman sold into Kith society escapes only to realize her home city had an extradition treaty and the punishment for being captured usually involves being fucked on the spot. Once impregnated, she's completely property. Kith might not have the best relationship with urbanites but absolutely none of them want to risk their entire society over a single woman who couldn't accept reality, and once she's pregnant with a Kith baby that's the end of it.
>>11482097This is one of the hottest scenarios for me, the first few weeks of a rising patriarchy. Like election night reactions from women realizing that the fringe party they laughed at while it was growing now controls the whole nation. Places that had remained opposed to the rising tide now realizing they have to either fall in line or start an actual secessionist rebellion. Social media feeds where posts screaming for resistance and opposition are sandwiched by videos of protestors being dragged into windowless vans. Other countries releasing strongly worded, but utterly powerless statements against the new government, knowing full well they would stand no chance in a war and perhaps their own men are just waiting for the chance.Actual violent insurrection just giving the powers that be more ammunition for their propaganda as feminists and their allies start to be seen as dangerous troublemakers. The slow, but inevitable adoption of new social norms with many women finding themselves happier without having to be independent, and those who aren't either learn to shut up or else end up in a re-education center somewhere. Male coworkers becoming more bold in their "flirting" and women without male guardians becoming targets, with little recourse but to find seek protection through marriage(or perhaps the rise of a sort of "harem" system).Slavery making a comeback, at first for those who resist, but eventually as a classification for women who aren't considered wives, but are still under a man's control.
>fertility>birth ratesIMO the key is for governments to wake up to the fact that fertile women are a strategic resource indispensable to a nation's future. Lots of ink has been spilled about the negative consequences of a demographic collapse, yet, for now, discussing solutions that would address the problem at its core is still a political taboo. It is a "tragedy of the commons" scenario wherein allowing private individuals to control this resource according to their own self-interest results in worse outcomes for the entire society. Once you accept this, it should become self-evident that allowing us to exercise individual control over our reproductive systems is just as societally destructive as letting random property owners control the water supply in the middle of the desert -- a structural incentive to hoard an essential resource rather than use it.
>>11483436forgot pic
>>11483436>Lots of ink has been spilled about the negative consequences of a demographic collapse, yet, for now, discussing solutions that would address the problem at its core is still a political taboo.It's not a bug, it's a feature.
>>11483436 (cont'd)>>11483335Once the notion of female "bodily autonomy" is abolished, regional population control boards are established and are given the "power of attorney", so to speak, over the reproductive decisions of all unmarried fertile women in their corresponding region. It goes without saying that abortion, elective birth control and sterilization are immediately banned. To enforce this, women are microchipped and subjected to biannual medical examinations to prevent tampering. The chips keep track of the menstrual cycle and immediately report any anomalies to the population control board, in addition to doubling as location trackers and a form of biometric ID linked to a public database. This has the additional functionality of allowing any interested male to scan any woman's microchip and gain access to her medical and biographic data. Inevitably, some women will be hesitant or even straight up refuse to show up to their chipping appointment, but this is simply resolved by eventually making it illegal to show up in public without one, the failure to scan being sufficient grounds for arrest.
>>11483490 (cont'd)When it comes to matchmaking, I think something superficially resembling modern-day courting rituals should be maintained, at least initially, with only the rebels and the troublemakers being sold through explicit slave auctions. Due to the lack of privacy, women will obviously have much less bargaining power in the process. Once married, the reproductive rights are transferred from the population control board to the husband (master?), and the onerous biannual medical checks are no longer required. Combined with social conditioning and the lacking economic conditions of single women (more on that in a bit), this should incentivize most women to date. After some time dating, a man can then petition the population control board for marriage, which will most likely be approved as long as he isn't deemed mentally or physically unfit to have children. With that hurdle out of the way, it is expected that he will propose to the woman as is tradition -- but for a woman to refuse a marriage that has already been approved by the board carries severe financial penalties, and so this is understood by both parties to be pure ritual.With regards to the economic implications, I will echo what has been said in a previous thread. Modern technology has the unprecedented potential to cut the workforce in half while maintaining the overall economic productivity. I expect that most female-dominated jobs that have actual chances of career progression will soon give way to AI, and job opportunities for women will be restricted to service jobs and data entry, where wages are low and growth is nonexistent. "Anti-DEI" initiatives can be introduced to crater female college enrollment rates, and those women who already got their degrees will be especially desperate under the crushing weight of student loans. The message to women must be loud and clear: the only way to get anywhere in life is to be led there on a leash by a male hand.
>>11483517 (concluded)>>11476822>>11477975> women being empowered but still supporting female enslavementI do personally think a class of educated and outspoken female collaborators is essential to the whole thing. For the new system to truly work, female social dynamics must be exploited so that they work to sustain it, rather than oppose it. Women follow other women, and someone has to do the work of convincing us that our subjugation is for our own good, and exerting the social pressure to keep potential rebels in line. This could start as early as high school, with girls who are identified as natural leaders appointed as class presidents, whose job is to put together social events and to liaise with the population control office. Those girls would then be given the option to join the fairly small number of women who receive higher education and go on to exert power over other women, either via public-facing positions like influencers, talk show hosts, teachers, etc., or more quietly as population control administrators, reeducation camp managers etc. This power is in no way to be confused for freedom, of course -- their education would include strict indoctrination and loyalty testing, with very harsh consequences for falling out of line. They'd still be bossed around by men, usually being married to their direct superiors and often pulling double duty as "entertainment" at political and business meetings.
>>11483517>The message to women must be loud and clear: the only way to get anywhere in life is to be led there on a leash by a male hand.It's so beautiful.
>>11482705>important dates in a woman's life>day she's bought, the day she loses her virginity, the day she gets pregnantRelating to stuff like >>11483517 but the best tool to controlling women is love bombing them.Mile stones in submission is celebrated, good girls are praised and pampered.Breeders and sex pets being made into mini-celebrities.The future of women is forever being on daddy's leash.And it's something they'll be groomed to choose "willingly">>11483530>>11483490>class of educated and outspoken female collaborators>chips keep track of the menstrual cycle >report any anomalies to the population control boardPlaying with /d/ystopian tropes have women assigned as "Aunts"(name pending).Mix of social worker and fem-secret police, older sister/milf types who bet their breeding quotas and now help other women meet theirs.Any women flagged as behind schedule or with behavioral issues gets an Aunt working with them on a personal level.Underneath the loving/support Aunt they also mark women for reeducation if they're rebels.
>>11483708>I do personally think a class of educated and outspoken female collaborators is essential to the whole thing. 100%. Winning women over wouldn't be hard but you do need women to sell women on the idea that they stand to gain more than they'd lose by handing over their political autonomy. Producing highly educated breeders who hold masters degrees and other higher education while also popping out north of 5 children, while also demonstrating that they're not being run down by their lifestyle and if anything are thriving would be essential. Push feminism back into being the political position of women in understandable situations (read: they're unattractive and infertile) and otherwise the political position of occupiers and sour grapes. >>11483708>And it's something they'll be groomed to choose "willingly"No grooming involved, it's just the natural state of women. Biology heavily selected for women who are subservient and are able to identify able providers. >>11483517>matchmakingArranged marriage. Maybe not in the explicit sense but anti-feminist women identifying like-minded women and nudging them towards high-value men. For thousands of years arranged marriages were the default and the only reason we stepped away from it was so that social media companies could create a problem to sell you a solution.
