This path has formed in my yard over the last 6 months. Undesirable individuals and packs are using it and leaving rubbish. They also make a lot of noise late at night. How do I stop this invasive behavior? Can't do a fence per HOA.
Landmines.
>>2937699>hoaLmao
>>2937699move away
Bushes. Proximity sprinklers.
>>2937707Have Picrel Up.
>>2937699Put this up 6 feet above ground in the middle of that path. No one likes being watched, even if it's not real
Chain whos Length is the distance from X to the beginning of path.Dog who is attached to said chain.Stake dug into ground at The X.Go to your local Inhumane Shelter and pick up the loudest meanest Mutt there.
>>2937699you could paint an ugly mural https://warosu.org/diy/thread/2882616#p2884839or put a trash can and porta shitter nearby to divert the traffic https://warosu.org/diy/thread/2890470
>>2937717But would I be liable if a trespasser gets mauled?
>>2937699build a fence!
>>2937747Read OPs OP.
Strict HOA but in an area with crackheads wandering around freely? Sounds like OP is trolling for attention and knows which buttons to press to get the attention of /diy/.
>>29376991 - Tank full of sewage water2 - Sump pump3 - Sprinkler system4 - Motion sensors connected to a relay that turns on the pump
>>2937710>Proximity sprinklers.This. They make them for repelling deer and other pests. Set up a few of them.
>>2937699>Can't do a fence per HOAbuy a bulldozer and a shitload of steeltime to tread on them
SHED
>>2937737Yes. Groids walk around dogs though
>>2937699Oh gee.. another bullshit thread.
>>2937699Take two I-beams. Weld into cross. Lay perforated brass tube on cross. Cover it in a layer of mineral wool. Attach solid fuel tube to open end of perforated tube and form a preheat loop. Wrap with mineral fiber string so everytjing stays in place. Errect in yard. Use fuel pump to supply whatever fuel you have. Light.Permaburning cross. Keeps undesireables at bay.
>>2937758>Strict HOA but in an area with crackheads wandering around freely? Sounds like OP is trolling for attention and knows which buttons to press to get the attention of /diy/.This, and but if this is somehow real, the correct solution is to get the fuck over it OP and stop worrying about a useless patch of grass.
>>2937699You should move your house 30ft to the right in order to block the path
Just another reason why corner lots suck. They're great locations for gas stations in commercial areas but in residential areas, your yard is under constant assault. Even with a fence, people will want to put up yard sale signs and ads for their lawn mowing business. Plus if there are sidewalks, they take up right of way on two sides of your property instead of just one.
>>2937880I'll try this because it seems least likely to spark a backlash or incur liability.
>>2937699Bring this photo, and any sec cam footage of the tweakers, to the HOA rep. Explain you are trying to keep your lawn in good order and are stuck due to the fencing limitation. Ask if you could get an exemption due to being on a high traffic corner lot, either for a low fence (just enough to make it obviously trespassing to cross over it) or for a low hedge.If they turn it down, write a letter to the local paper complaining that your HOA is abbetting drug addicts and damaging property values. HOA people are all about status, they'll bend over backwards if they start getting bad press in the boomer pages.
>>2937886If you create conditions with standing water, then you will breed mosquitos. Not only will they annoy you, but expect to get hassled by your HOA and by vector-control.
>>2937699I have a blue heeler, he doesn't like strangers on his property.
Get involved in the HOA and run for office. My bro did and was quite effective.Then push encouraging fences to canalize enemy movement to the roads.Remind everyone if you don't control your property the gnaggerz will destroy the area even sooner. Every lot should be fenced on all sides with spiky barrier plants like agave.Can you place rows of boulders along the perimeter? They're an old way to keep cars out of your yard and make it less inviting.
proximity sensor connected to a servo motor and a very large poster with this figure printed on it. If someone enters, the sensor activates and the pointer goes up
>>2937699HOA should already be controlling access and providing security as needed. What the fuck do you pay them for?
>>2937946The drug dealers were proactive and took over the HOA board. It's their neighborhood now.
>>2937699Send in a formal request to the HOA bord to build a fence.I sit in a HOA bord myself. We approve everything that does not have a clear negative impact on others.
>>2937699A couple of Trump 2028 flags and poole will walk around you property just out of respect
>>2937748OP does NOT live in an HOA.
Motion sensitive water sprinklers.
Put one of these in your yard
>>2937946>What the fuck do you pay them for?They pay the insurance, landscaping, and maintenance for a common-area playground. They also enforce HOA rules.
>>2937758The only thing worse to an HoA Karen than paint being one character off on the hex scale is being accused of racism, so joggers get away with anything.
Put a fake watermelon on the corner. They will go to check it out instead of cutting across your lawn.
>>2938326Turn the path into a water feature.
>>2938329where they goin
>>2937699>neglected lawn and sidewalk>HOAThats some inner-city Block, not a private HOA neighborhood. OP is a gay troll and all of you are gullible tards
>>2938343Wakanda
>>2938384HOAs are not responsible for maintaining city lawns and sidewalks.
>>2938412you can tell by the way that it is that it is not now, nor ever has been and HOA.
>>2938414How can you tell and if it wasn't HOA now then?
>>2938429I can tell because of the way that it is. I have lived in HOA's and there is one near me. OP does not live in an HOA.but I will spoon feed it to you.very old neighborhoodyard is way too large.sidewalks are shitarea in front of side walks is over grown.neighborhood is not being kept up very well.parking on the streetsif OP is in an HOA it's so shit, he could do what he wants. he just used it as an excuse to be lazy and not put up a fence.
>>2938429also this:>Undesirable individuals and packs are using it and leaving rubbish.most HOA's are either in gated communities, or in nice neighborhoods with none of those things anywhere near them.because of the design of the sidewalks and yard sizes this is not an HOA. they were very rare until the 80's. if it ever was an HOA it failed or disbanded 40 years ago.
>>2937707you cannot just shoot people anywhere in the US unless they are committing arson, rape, molesting a child, or threatening you with lethal force. even then you have to tell them to stop if at all possible
>>2938625Trespassing on your property can be seen as threatening your safety.
>>2938625I do know that the castle doctrine and self defense right isn't as strong in the USA as it is in my country for example (altho it has been eroded at incredible rate lately by lgbt judges and lawmakers who pass laws that parrot judges) but it surely allows you to protect property, right?
>>2937711The we don't call 911 people are total pussies get a dog and a fence
>>2937699Plant some shrubs along that path. Toxicodendron diversilobum is my favorite.
>>2938717trespassing is not using deadly force against you, you cannot shoot people for trespassing.
>>2938721>but it surely allows you to protect property, right?your property cannot be killed. only people. you cannot shoot people for trespassing.
>>2937699Get a real bastard of a dog on a long leash that will chase and eat the fucking kids. Also setup a camera to catch them cutting though your yard and soon to be harassing the dog. When the kids try and kill it, you can then get them arrested.
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>>2938911Doesn't matter. Self defense laws in the states makes believing you are in danger a valid reason for shooting someone, provided you shoot to kill. The real danger of shooting a trespasser is getting sued which is a civil case and not a criminal offense.
>>2938899>Toxicodendron diversilobumI prefer Rubus armeniacus. A better visual deterrent and make a delicious fruit every year.
>>2938946enjoy your time in jail. you are wrong.
>>2938912well I have already hinted I am not an american and in law school I learned that many jurisdictions, USA included, have much weaker self defense laws and castle doctrine than many european countries, mine included.Judges are eroding all of this lately, but until very recently, you could argue that is was legal to shoot at someone who is in the process of merely insulting a third person. Ofc you'd still have to get the court to follow the argument but it's not unfounded. Laws here allow you to defend any legally protected personal interests, including personal honor. The law would also allow you to protect a third persons legal interests on their behalf. All this is only if your action is suitable and meant to stop an ongoing infringement. The only restriction the law places on your choice of means is 'very gross disproportionality'. They have introduced this after a few very famous cases of legal shootings over nothing. >Picrel is a case every law student here has to work through. Shooting children who steal cherries. The law also affords you protection when for example you fell into a rage and went avove and beyond what was needed, after you already stopped the assailant.At any rate the important takeaway: The law affords almost no protection to the attacker. Especially the law does not demand proportionality or the defendant to take any risks. If you can put a slug in that guy at a distance then do it, no need to announce your presence when they could be packing or try to wrestle them. And that is a sensible law.
>>2939026name this fantasy country or gtfo
>>2939034Germany retard.Just read StGB.
Oh and here is an - perhaps amateurish and uninformed, TLDR - breakdown for (You) in case you only speak mutthttps://reason.com/volokh/2022/03/15/comparing-u-s-english-and-german-law/
>>2937699What is you HOA's rules on large boulders? I expect that they would be effective at deterring individuals but maybe not well-organized packs.
Since this is the closest thing to a landscaping thread I’m gonna ask my question here. How do fill in the gaps between the concrete blocks, where the wood boards are sitting? Remove wood, clean crevice, tamp, and fill in with…gravel? Would pouring concrete be worth the trouble? If so, should I reinforce it with something?
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>>2937699dog shit and fire ants
>>2937699I would recommend putting cavemen on the corner and a wheelman at the end of the road
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>>2937699Caltrops
>>2938911it is if they're breaking into your house.
>>2937699OP: to prevent undesirables from crossing your property, you will physically have to block it off and then protect it. I recommend building at least an 8ft tall see-through metal fence with 2ft deep footings all the way around. Then get 2 of these (they’re much better with st least 1 other dog) and pay the money to make sure they’re well-trained. They get through the fence every time so you have to convince them to stay. The fence easily delineates public property and the dogs make sure the public respects it.
>>2939175Build a fence anyway, if they come after you demand they reimburse you as well as come up with an effective alternative. Imply you’ll go to court if they give you trouble. Take your dogs everywhere with you.
>>2938995You will have to prove it. The legal language is clear. And before any accusations of goalpost moving it has to be at least 8 states.
>>2939074as far as I know:Get the right kind of sand, spill it and using a broom spread it back and tmforth to fill the voids. Might even want to take the grout out first and do that only or, if youre already taking it out, just put new in?
>>2939067>bouldersI'll look into this because these packs are anything but well organized, quite the opposite.
>>2937699>Can't do a fence per HOA.What?
>>2937699roses, get a few plants, clone them, let them grow as they like, theyll fk anyone up trying to go through them and what HOA doesnt like roses right?
>>2939247They'll just steal the roses.
>>2937711i always laugh at the limp dicked pussies that have these signs up
>>2939243Not an HOA but my town limits fences behind a house to 72" and street facing can only be 36". Corner lots are terrible in "walkable" areas because sidewalks eat up part of the lot on two sides and the frontage on both of those sides have the street facing restrictions. In my area people with corner lots often build a garage on the "side" facing part of the lot since it can be up to 25' tall instead of the 36" fence.
>>2937699Motion detector controlling a sprinkler system :D
Deep walled low tide water feature. Pit with kamodo dragon. Watch original predator for log trap. Intricate hedge maze with hidden speakers with recordings of girls giggling sinisterly.
Sprinklers or just put up a sign asking them not to walk on the grass
>>2939067>bouldersVery original idea.>large bouldersperhaps but I thibk you should aswell have medium sized ones. Thibk of scree field. It's clearly an urban setting. Urban youth have inadequate meme footwear. There will be broken ankles.>>2939130You could build a tea house and get a hermit philosopher whk asks people unconvenient questions to live in it>>2939131also this again. >>2939665also cattle grate like featuresdefinately a broken shinbone sooner or later
look at what is acceptable by hoacopy a little from every neighbor and fill your lot/ block off access with the same exact things others have in their yardsif cited, point to the neighbor you copied.you either get everyone else in trouble, or win
cameras, lots of cameras, everywhere post their silly shit on twitter and flood the hoa with concern posting, and hell start walking through other peoples yards
>>2938911I tied a string around my property border so technically the entire lot is inside my house, if you step in my yard its a home invasion
Post a sign that, in simple language and pictograms, explains how sidewalks work and what they are there for and not to trespass and walk on the grass.
>>2939640So you can build a fence. Try that. Make it a white picket fence not a chain link fence though.
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>>2940088What is this String Theory?Absolutely intriguing, I will open up the DuckDuckGo Machine now
>>2940154Anon is probably referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv
>>2940155Quite interesting how people devise solutions to circumvent their own religious rituals
>>2937699But your HOA permits trespassing? Sounds like you need to have a talk with the president of your HOA. And by talk I mean dinner. And by dinner I mean cannibalism.
>>2938911Depending on location, you can ABSOLUTELY kill a fucker for trespassing.
>>2940235I'm the US, for simple trespassing, with no threat of any type? No anon, deadly force is not authorized. You can play word games, you can probably get away with it, but it's not legal.
>>2940235>>2940261>Depending on location, you can ABSOLUTELY kill a fucker for trespassing.This, depending on where you live, and the circumstances.For example, do not go fucking about in someones attached carport, in Kentucky. That is considered "Unwanted entry into one's home" and can legally be responded to, with lethal force.At one time parts of Texas had similar laws, that applied to one's entire property, but lethal force was only justified after dark. There was a case in the 90's where a repo man learned not to conduct business after dark, the hard way. The shooter was found innocent.
>>2938178>>2937758Yeah i call bullshit on that one, HOA Karens are pretty good at dealing with undesirables in subtle ways
>>2938911It depends on the legislation. Where I live it's considered self defense if the trespassing happens at night and the trespasser do no leave after a warning.
>>2937880Leave dog shit on path. Problem will decrease gradually
>>2940261good point call cops for tresspassing then stop them to ask shit while the cops come
>>2940909But how to stop a pack?
Maybe stabd outside and BBQ but go to lengths to not use any spices.
>>2940961>Maybe stabd outsideThat's what I'm trying to avoid.
Set this up.Also set up a camera. When they destroy it, involve police.Keep video evidence.Say you had lots of wild animals at night, so put this up to deter them because the cats were destroying garden ect.Get a camera YESTERDAY
>>2939164this but make them out of/to look like scrap steel. invest in a pickup magnet while you're at it
>>2940669>dog shitIs there anything it can't do?
>>2937699>Undesirable individuals and packs are using it and leaving rubbish.Keep it muddy. Put a dog on a runner
>>2942961cover trail in dog shit.
>>2937699Go get a few Pitt's that were dropped off at the pound. Chain those fuckers within reach of the path. Done.
>>2942981It would be a real shame if through no negligence of your own, vid related happened.
>>2939074Why would you want to remove the wood?It allows movement, it wont cover the concrete block with any particles.
>>2938717Only like 3 states.
>>2937699you should take your poop bag for the week and spread it on the path in the middle of the night. Eventually people will realize they get the poop shoe when they cut through and they'll stop and you'll have a well fertilized path ready to be covered with grass seed.
>>2937717The mathematical issue with that solution, is that it will only impose a circle from the pole, and thus, a new, second, shorter path will form much closer to the corner where the circle cannot reach.Akin to the problem of robot vacuums previously being unable to vacuum corners.p.s. no bully, I'm not french, it's the first picture I found.
>>2937699Tr an array of ultra bright, blinding, say 4300-5000K LED floodlights to absolutely shock the shit out of the night gaunts. You could use a photoelectric beam + a timer to enforce it the moment somebody walks on it. Consider also adding a white noise generator or warning tone that would add to the shock but not wake you up every time some asshole trips it (parabolic speaker can help with this and it's less likely to wake you up if you use blockout shutters).You may also be able to use fiberoptics as a perimeter sensor (its not as expensive as it sounds, but may require some arduino magic).
>>2937878I steal those signs. Nobody wants them on their corner, so I'm doing a public good and getting free steel wire and coroplast.
>>2943751>I stealYou must already dwell in a neighborhood like OPs.
>>2937758>>2940312HOAs are forming in many gentrifying areas as a way to pay for services and to keep owners engaged in maintaining the neighborhood.
>>2939618>>2939618>seething euros/liberals
>>2939074Do something like this: https://youtu.be/NNHXOIVCX1M?si=dreP6Huyr9_PYchaFill the hole with foam noodle and use Sikaflex Self Leveling Sealant or something similar
>>2937699Bill the HOA for lawn repairs.
>>2938625You can shoot somebody in Texas for stealing a piece of bubble gum and running off into the night.
>>2937699Get a dog. Niggers have an irrational fear of dogs. I've seen 6'5" bucks scarred shitless over even small beagles and terriers
>>2945030>irrational fear of dogsAnything that barks will bite, dumbass. Now i can agree with you that the threat level depends on which dog it is, but getting paws rubbed on you is annoying and getting bit in the ankle isn't pleasant especially if you're just delivering packages or food.
HOA but the neighborhood looks unkempt, what's the point?
>>2945062Weak HOAs are more common than you'd think. They don't get much attention because there are few rules for karens to abuse. Often they're mainly to pay for something like street lights that the county doesn't provide and to serve as a single point of contact for things like getting the streets repaved every couple of decades. Often the HOA dues are something like $30 a year, which is just enough to cover the fees for keeping the associate incorporated and pay the electric bill for the street lights.
>>2938343to work nigga
>>2937699Come on anon
>>2940088I tied a string around my property borderBased Jewish Eruv wire.
>>2938911>you cannot shoot people for trespassing.You cannot kill them. Nothing says you can't use a paintball gun or a Byrna.
>>2937699Hoa? In the land of the free and brave? What about your freedoms?
>>2937699F this sucksI hate animalistic people
>>2945874No one is forced into an HOA. Freedom is having the choice.>But my uncle's friend's bother's blah blah was forced Never happened. People who make those claims never are able to show proof because it's absolutely impossible to be forced to live in an HOA neighborhood.
>>2937699Put up warning signs about poison ivy, or better yet, put down some poison ivy
>>2945994Steve Lehto has hundreds of videos of HOAs stealing people's cars, stealing their houses, entering without warrants, and putting people in jail. I know this is ironic shitposting but watch a couple dozen of his vids where he goes over an insane situation that occurred will educate you on why you never buy in an HOAhttps://www.youtube.com/@stevelehto/search?query=hoa
>>2946053There were started to keep certain people out. Once that function was taken away from them they started to get warped. It was made worse by the fact that many neighborhoods are built with them because it is cheaper for the contractor. Instead of building the neighborhood and having to pay a shitton of fees for the city to manage it (road upkeep, parks, etc.) they make an HOA and put it in charge of everything. This lowers THEIR cost burden but shifts it all to the owners, who now pay HOA fees on top of their standard taxes even though the HOA fees generally cover things like snow removal, road paving and what have you (though this varies a lot from one HOA to the next). You can basically end up getting 'taxed' twice'. So, now you have an HOA being run as a for profit operation. That is when you get the really crazy shit like them taking your property and evicting you from your homes.Some years back an HOA went after a couple of LAWYERS because they have political signs in their yard that were 4 inches too large. The HOA voted to change its own rules so it could fine them for the signs. This went as well as you could expect. The lawyers ended up suing, winning, and were granted a $100k judgement. The HOA spent over $400k fighting that case and another case where they arbitrarily refused to approve to construction for the same couple, expecting it would win. A cool half mil in the hole its dues went from $650 a year to $3,500. It tried to sell its only asset, the neighborhood common area. When that failed it declared bankruptcy. Meanwhile it was unable to afford to perform its own functions, like pay for the upkeep of the common area. Madness.Never buy land that is subject to an HOA. The boards are elected from the people subject to the HOA and you can get some real fucking shitlords running things that have no real idea what they are allowed to do and what the consequences are when they fuck up.
>>2946070The only reason I would ever buy in an HOA is if it was designed to, and was allowed to, keep niggers, indians, and muslims out. If it can't do that then there is no point.
>>2946083t. Mexican
>>2939074buy postcretewait for a dry daysprinkle over the gaps, fill themsweep away excess overspillget your hose and spray it on "mist"wet all of the cretelet it dry
Grounds keeper here. This kind of design is a big part of our jobs.A fence or low hedge is the most obvious choice, low hedge are effective because they're wide. If people can't step over them and would have to jump, they're likely to go around. For these kinds is hedges you want something which shoots, because small holes render these hedges ineffective very quickly. Next step up, medium, high hedge. High fence. Screening hedge. Wierd options, irrigated gullies. Like a moat but only mud. Just a ditch which is always wet. Depending on climate this can be very effective and have less visual impact than a vertical barrier. There's soft radial barriers, lines of ornamental grass. You see these a lot on commercial plantings, especially corners of garden beds and open areas the owner might use by not want people to cut through. Another odd choice is a blind angle. People are generally reluctant to trespass if they can't work out if anyone is present. So a fence coming off the corner of the house for instance would mean someone walking past couldn't tell if you were behind the fence or not. You could ambush them. Similarly if people can't see across an open space, they are unlikely to cut through it, because they're unsure if they can actually get through or if there will be someone on the other side. Developers often put up a star picket fence with three lines of wire. Just to make it clear that it's trespassing to enter, and a camera on a pole. Because often, trespassers will be going to, or fleeing from a crime scene. So putting cameras up in these kinds of spaces is a strong deterrent to crime in the area.
attack geese
>>2937711>Macho bullshitBad boys move in silence or violence.
>>2939640>sidewalks eat up part of the lotYour lot ends well before the sidewalk.
>>2940938Case of beer is all you'd need
>>2946053I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say, but Anon is saying that you aren't "forced into a HOA" as in if you own your house, and your neighbours decide to set up an HOA, you are never forced to join it. If you buy a house that's part of a HOA, that's your own fucking fault.
>>2937699Just put a fence you lazy fuck
