Average joe with forest property and ancient farm equipment here. Need a winch to pull logs uphill and through ditches. Eventually i would also like to be able to pull down dead trees and add a log arch to my trailer. picrel is the only reasonable winch you can get in my part of the free world. any more fancy than that and you're in unobtainium-territory as a hobbyist. only found two guys on the tubes reviewing this winch and they seem to shill it hard, but at that price point it's cheap enough to risk it. dimension-wise the biggest logs will have a max. length of 3 meters / 10 feet and max diameter of 70 cm / 27.5 inch. so well within the pulling capacity. not sure yet if it makes sense to build a log arch for my trailer as it has a higher center of gravity with 82 cm / 32 inch height. main goal really is not to be forced to split the wood by hand on site and walk uphill a million times. what do you guys think? you got pics of your setup?
>>2953293theres a reason winches for real useres are generally worm geared. you will smoke the brake if you pull against it. and that synthetic line wont last being drug through the brush>pull down dead treesthis is suicidal. even pushing dead trees over with a d6r with full rops and sweeps is dangerous as fuck. dead trees break up and go down unpredictably and rain mankiller chunks of wood down on any poor sap in the quarter section
>>2953359What do you mean suicidal? Thats pretty much the safest way possible to do it when you are not anyway near when the tree goes down. Cut enough so it still stands, put some wedges in and then pull it down from far away. You think that some arborist basket faggot will haul his lift in the middle of a forest and limb it down? Or climb up like that is any safer.
>>2953813>Cut enough so it still standsthats a no from me dawg. i'd want to deal with them as much hands-off as possible>>2953359>that synthetic line wont last being drug through the brushnot so concerned about that. i'd use an elevated pulley so the line is not dragging through the dirt and the winch has an easier pull since the logs are not digging themselves into the ground> dead trees break up and go down unpredictablyi was hoping to avoid this with a super long rope (extending the line of the winch) plus hiding in safety with the winch remote. but the more i think about it the more i realize it may be more economical to have a professional deal with the risksbottom line: i guess pulling dead trees is out of the game. pulling logs uphill and having a log arch to load them is still high on my list. you guys think a log arch would work with the height of my trailer? i'll post pics as soon as i get around to it
Also depends on how massive these dead trees are that you are wanting to pull over. And now high up you can get a line. Most people severely underestimate how well anchored into the ground most trees are, and how heavy a still wet tree is. Of course if they are long time dead all the sap should be out of them, so that helps.
didn't get around to take pics from my actual trailer but it is similar to picrel>>2954198trees are pretty tall and at least 5 years dead. what i am more worried about at this point is if my trailer is suitable for a log arch (mostly worried about the height). i guess i will find out when i get into the woods in january
>>2953359>>pushing dead trees over with a d6r with full rops and sweeps is dangerous as fuck>be me>dead tree by my house looks like it will drop any moment>i'll give it a lil push to help it along>position bucket about half way up the tree>release clutch>front wheels are in air>fragile dead tree is not budging at all>poweeeeer.mp4>eerie slow cracking sound>half the tree literally shatters throwing chunks to the right of me>left side standing like nothing happened>have to get the chainsaw out anyways
You need a capstan style winch for that type of work.
https://www.amazon.com/Portable-Gas-Powered-Capstan-Winch-550-Lb/dp/B00AFA0GVI/ref=asc_df_B00AFA0GVI?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80333120120285&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=m&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=87545&hvtargid=pla-4583932699414793&psc=1
>>2953293I can't trust a synthetic rope. It has to be steel. I can maintain steel from rusting, but synthetic line?...how long can it last and still be able to be serviceable?
You could also use a chainsaw winch. They bolt on to a chainsaw and have a 8k lbs rating and its portable. Look up "lewis winch chainsaw" on youtube
>>2956391who in their right mind would use a fucking capstan for loggingDo you like pulling logs with a rubber band?Do you want that fucker to stand around idling all day?Do you have an old diesel engine that you are going to leave running all day to power your fucking capstan winch?Do you take the logs home by zeppelin?Faggot
>>2956983HAVE YOU PEOPLE EVER EVEN SEEN A FUCKING TREE EVER
>>2956987>you have an old diesel engine that you are going to leave running all day to power your fucking winch?anon invents the yarderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7xUn06fnk
>>2956999Yes of course but do you think that op is looking for a fucking YARDERWho the hell uses that kind of shit techniques these days anyway? Yes, i used to be a feller/buncher operator. Wow.
>>2957000a well oiled yarder side will out log a shovel side 3 to 1. but it takes 5 good guys minimum to operate. and the greenies have lobbied cable sides out of existence with insurance requirements and the cost of moving oversize loadsshovel logging is about the dumbest thing ever invented since you touch each stem about 15 times leapfrogging shit down the mountain. but you can send 2 mouthbreathers out to deck and run processor at 4am instead of 2 days to set a haulback across a valleyt. resident of the land where the mighty doug fir grows
>>2957010Shovel logging... JfcForwarder says hi
>>2957011forwarders dont work on the hills heretypically terrain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuBFqqPR4pg
>>2957011shovel work is gravy sometimes thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2WbttmSPyI
>>2956284pics?
>>2956999reduce contact patch reduce terrain variables, this seems scalable. defines working area as a line as opposed to a sphere so not great for fire or evac but optimal for exploration and cultivation. growing trees in rows is a smart idea.also zipline
>>2956999wake boarding towing rigs might be a good avenue for research, bunch of extreme sports teenagers raiding the local dump will have creative ideas.
>>2953359Pulling down dead trees or live ones from a distance is safe and easy without a winch except as a drum for wire storage because a winch cannot spool fast enough to pull a tree down suffcient distance to reliably guide it. I cut a ~50ft section of wire rope from one of my truck winches (they're rarely used at full length anyway) and used two cable clamps at each end to make loops for grab hooks. One end gets chained to the tree, the other loop gets shackled to sufficient winch cable that my truck is too far away for the tree to hit under any condition.I slightly preload the tree if it's live, cut to holding wood from the back, then drive off snapping the holding wood and pulling the tree until about a 45 degree angle after which it goes where I aimed it. It doesn't take much at all.I learned this after Hurricane Hugo working with my bro dropping damaged trees. He had a Dodge M37 with a PTO winch which made it even easier.
how beefed up does a winch mount need to be?
>>2953359I always pull down the trees I felling, and I heat my home with wood. It's absolutely the safest way. Cut it so that it is close and then winch it down. Previously I used a hand which but now that I have a grabber or claw or what the fuck it's called in English on my 23 ton excavator I just saw the trees slightly and the push them down. Man that is sooooo satisfying.
>>2956989Yer a daft cunt aren't ya?
