If you're living in a cabin and the paper plates are getting hauled away as trash then the garbage isn't what is retarded.

As for washing dishes pick up a rag and scrub. You wash with a small tub of water and a little unscented dish soap. You can rinse in another small tub but it's wasteful and unnecessary.

That's it you just make a little water ho as long as possible, you can even keep a little tub of the same soapy water in the sink for days using it after each meal. If you do rinse collect the rinse water (or save it if you rinse in a bucket to be wash water later.

There is a bunch of other camping practices like wiping everything off as you use it, knives and such and wiping out your pan while hot so the sugars don't harden.

Your problem is you grew up with a dishwasher and first world plumbing and you never stood over a sink washing dishes so you have this misconception about what's necessary.

>>2953440
not too high pres but for starters I'd get one of these, or two so you got soap and rinse.
Was using one to keep dust down during concrete cutting and it was very handy for hand washing etc on a "dry" construction site.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Chapin-1-Gal-Lawn-Garden-and-Multi-Purpose-Poly-Tank-Sprayer-with-Adjustable-Nozzle-for-Fertilizers-16144/322891902

I plan on a using one for my minimalist camper van for external shower. Maybe even one with backpack straps to carry water if needed and to hang from roof racks outside for showers. Those might have more pressure.

I use a normal spray bottle for diluting dish soap. It works better diluted and it much more handy to spray on dishes or sponge without wasting and/or need to dilute.

I've also found its great for killing houseflies with tighter spray. I'm not worried about a bit of overspray of diluted dish soap instead of Raid, and its mostly on counters or windows, so it just aids other cleaning. :)

>>2953492
PS-also might make a stand alone rolling "sink" with a 5 gal backpack sprayer and 5 gal bucket under.

>>2953493

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90PSI sounds like plenty for doing dishes. You'd probably want an outside plastic folding table due to the spray going everywhere.

Water in jugs out of the sun normally stays OK forever.

These are pretty much the standard, even though they kinda suck and will drip if left on side to dispense water, even if all is screwed closed and spigots inside. Reliance Products Aqua Tainer 7 Gallon Drinking Water Storage Container Tank (4 Pack)

>>2953494
you also might consider compressed air with water, depending on your ability to compress air.

but DESU, I think your best bet is scraping/licking plates and keeping a 5 gal bucket 1/2 full of soapy water to soak, let drip dry to get as much soap off as possible, then rinse in another bucket of rinse water.

Ask in Outdoors forum, too.

I recommend these small but long wooden spoons and non-stick cheap 2 quart sauce pan for minimal clean up and eat out of pan.

>>2953440
when camping I use sand/dirt to scrub most of the crap and grease off. uses much less water, and you can just throw the waste in the compost.

>>2953495
>>2953469
These both sound like a lot of wasted water.
Currently I just burn trash but I really want to lower my trash generation as much as reasonable. I think that trash generation is tied directly to IQ and I feel like my current situation is very low IQ.
I'm not living in it full time, just here and there. But even still I want it to be low maintenance, so if I store like 30L of water under a big tub-like sink outside with the heating unit and pump integrated into a sprayer on the sink I was thinking it would work pretty well.

I have tested at home, my usual dish cleaning is that I'm lazy so I do them hours after a meal and so I use a lot of water and scrub it clean whatever, I think that is how most people do it.
Well I tested immediately after eating clean it and it was much less water, but I also just tested leaving it on full hot till it reached max temp of like 48°c and that worked well even without scrubbing.
So that was mu idea by using higher pressure and heat I can very quickly blast off all of the unclean off the plate or cup using as little as 250ml of water.

>>2953440
I used to work at an industrial washing machine company, it sounds a bit retarded indeed. The cycle for a water efficient plate washer is usually first remove loose dirt, wet with soap, leave wet for an hour, wash with pressured recirculating water then rinse once with clean water.
If you’re not recirculating water it will never be water or energy efficient, instant water heaters are terrible. Modern consumer dishwashers use 10L/cycle and <1kWh which your pressure wash system will never ever beat

> Also how can I store some water without it going bad?
Big tank that’s dark inside, with no fresh air flow and lightly chlorinated

>>2953440
>>2953692
Depends on what you eat, if you leave dried egg yolk on plates, or dried avacado, 150psi won't cut it.

If you are that lazy and adamant against changing your personal habits, and absolutely must nigger-rig something to clean dishes, then use a pressure washer, don't use a bitchy little 150psi pump. Since you don't have plumbing I assume you'd be doing it outdoors, which is fine because it makes a huge mess. I know because I plumbed in a pressure washer to my kitchen, with a custom "wand", and it blasts food off instantly, but it made such a mess that I didn't bother to use it. I've since renovated and didn't install it again.

If I remember right, my pressure washer was 1800 psi which was overkill. You can get low-end ones like 1000psi though

You'll probably still waste water in the end compared to dishwasher, but whatever, deep down I know you just want to blast food off instead of doing it by hand. And that's okay.

>>2953440
>Has a cabin in the woods
>Wants a high pressure, high temp dish washing system
Just live in the city if you love machines so much

>>2953692
Stop being lazy and stop being a retard about waste, corporations are shitting out thousands of times the waste you do and recycling was only ever for profit. You're fucking brainwashed if you think a few paper plates adds up to anything but your own dumb ass misconceptions.

Also how does using the same half gallon for 3 days add up to a lot of water usage?

>>2953440
high pressure will use way more water than low pressure. hell I can take a complete shower with 1.5 gallons of water.

>>2953440
>high pressure high temperature water sprayer to use for washing dishes in a way that uses as little water as possible
just buy a diesel-heated gas engine pressure washer

>>2953706
This guy knows what he's talking about.
OP, what you're describing is a dishwasher. You won't be able to beat dishwashers at their own game. I can think of a couple of really difficult ways you might improve on it in theory as long as you use all the tricks they already use, but if you could implement these ideas you'd be working in dishwasher R&D.
>>2953754
>use a pressure washer, don't use a bitchy little 150psi pump
>I plumbed in a pressure washer to my kitchen, with a custom "wand"
>my pressure washer was 1800 psi which was overkill
This is so funny. Please tell me there are pictures or a video of this. I would love to see it.

if you soak the dirty dishes in water for ten minutes or so, the food stuck to them gets soft and you can rinse it right off with just the faucet.

I have a system where I can not do dishes for months at a time, and they never stink or mold. You just have to A) rinse the food off and B) turn everything upside down so it doesn't hold water. I once didn't do dishes for 6 months this way. It takes a two basin sink though, one stays empty for hand washing and the rinse of the dirty dish. When a dish has dried food I fill it with water and leave it in the empty basin until next time I make coffee or whatever, then rinse the softened food off and put it in the dirty side. When I run out of dishes, everything goes in the dishwasher.

Yes I wash dishes before they go in the dishwasher, once you get the light gray powder stuff growing in the water passages it gets on everything, and there's no cleaning it out, you have to buy a new dishwasher to get clean dishes again.

i am setting up my water system for the winter so I have flushing toilets

275 tote, buried
shallow water well pump
normally closed float switch in sprayer tank inside house that triggers in tank pump
rv pump, accumulator tank after atv tank, cold side to taps and toilet, hot side to tankless water heater then hot taps

as long as big pump will put push rv pump I should have inifinite showers, and this way when in house tank is full the water line from the tote will drain all the way back down emptying the line to keep it unfrozen

aquarium pump will circulate the 25 gallon tank.
Roughly $500, including the hot water heater.

I always figured some kind of steaming system would be the idea dish washer. I've recently learned that laboratory autoclaves are basically just that, but with pressure to increase the temperature.

>>2953440
>cabin in woods
>paper plates
burn them?

>>2953754
pls post your setup

>>2953495
>licking
Exactly. You made teh food so why not eat it all? I live alone so it takes a while to fill up the dishwasher, and I don't want any of the food remains to become sentient before I am ready to start the dishwasher.

To save water, try the fog gun, Buckminster style:
https://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Fuller_20Fog_20Gun
>Back in the 1920s, R Buckminister Fuller invented a device called the Fog Gun, which used air under high pressure (200PSI), a little water, and an atomizing nozzle, to produce a cleaning effect just as good as a regular shower, but using only about a pint of water per hour.

>>2953469
>You can rinse in another small tub but it's wasteful and unnecessary.

Disgusting people don't rinse. Don't be disgusting. It's disgusting.

>>2953440
i have a cabin with no utilities in a remote area so i've tried a few ways. in winter i am always melting snow but in summer i have to haul all the water up a shitty trail from the creek.

>burn your paper trash but use plates and bowls that you can burn in woodstove for heat
>have a pot of hot water and soap, then just scrub. it just takes a pot to do a few days of dishes if you scrape them after use

if you are committed to spraying i occasionally use one of those battery powered "power" washers for grimy tubs and vehicles. they are like pressure washers but only around 700 psi and they have a pickup hose you can just drop into a bucket or jug. you likely wouldn't have to heat the water but you'd want to do it outside and be efficient with the spraying. you could also modify one to suit your needs but they already cost a couple hundred bucks so probably not worth it.

You could get a hand spray bottle. Fill it with really soapy water. Like big squirts of soap not just a few drops. Spray your dishes off immediately once you've used them or eaten off them. Take a scrubber and loosen up all the food and debris. Then rinse off with hot water. Soap is just a de-greaser. The hot water kills the germs and bacteria. Though that's kinda not true too but mostly is. Soap can make it through the waxy outter layers of organisms and then permeate through into their circulatory systems essentially drowning them. That's why this spray bottle of soapy water will kill flies and all kinds of bugs. In fact it's the cheapest mass bug killer you can ever buy or make. Try it on ants, wasps, whatever you want. It will fuck them all up very quickly. They all drown.

Anyhow, having a hand spray bottle will use much less water overall and you can clean a single utensil or plate as you go.

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>>2953440
finally I can contribute
>5 gallon igloo with pic related (just unscrew the thumb dispenser)
>hose going into grainger on demand sprayer pump (will need an outdoor on/off switch)
>hose going to pressure washer sprayer
depending on the pump, it'll move a little less than a gallon a minute of continuous use, and the pressure is around that of a shower. You can mount the pump to a wall or make it mobile inside of a little box with a handle.

>>2953440
Why don't you just buy 100 dishes and just never wash them? Once you've eaten, just put the dish outside. Animals will lick it clean, and rain will wash off the rest. It's nature's way.
Then once you run out of clean dishes, just take the oldest dish from outside and re-use it.

>>2953440
Paper plates make excellent kindling or can be buried in your latrine pit during hot weather or if wildfire is a hazard.] The number used is trivial and it bears reminding burying wood products in the woods harms nothing at all. Bury paper in your latrine pit and you have no problem. You can layer shit and paper which somewhat reduces the fly population.

Your idea that "so much trash" (one person can't generate enough to matter) is somehow retarded than doing FAR more labor for nil return is absurd. Paper plates should be considered thinly sliced wood. You won't use enough in a year to make a decent log. I use three or four paper plates daily at home for convenience and the real volume is trivial even for hundreds a year.

Everything to do with living innawoods is a solved problem with many solutions.

You don't need "dishes", just a couple of stainless pots to cook in then eat from and basic stainless utensils. No one needs more than the equivalent of a military mess kit, a drinking cup, some utensils and a stainless coffee pot for convenient water boiling.

The military solved the lightweight "portable bleach" issue long ago. Use powdered bleach and detergent in a pail for washing. The point of bleach is to reliably kill everything in the water and easily break down grease.

I use a squirt bottle at home to dose the stainless steam table tub I place used plates and utensils in after use for later rinsing. That effortlessly destroys grease. Wash in the soap/bleach solution then squirt some clean water over your cleaned utensils/plate/mess kit to remove any remaining bleach solution (which won't be more than the droplets you didn't shake off). One wet clean paper towel is sufficient for such rinsing and may be left out to dry for later asswipe use.

>>2953706
>instant water heaters are terrible
why?

Just let the food dry on the paper plates and burn them in your firepit you sperg. You're staying at a cabin in the woods don't even try to pretend you don't have a firepit, THAT would be retarded.

>>2963566
You can even get wood utensils. I don't really camp but I keep a supply of those and paper plates/bowls.

They're just handy to have beyond just dish convenience.

>>2953440
Have you ever considered eating from a bread bowl OP?

Medieval people did it all the time

>>2963566
>somewhat reduces
Fulltime innawoods is dumb unless you're somewhere that can bore a well. Nobody wants to consider the fly population among their living areas
>break down grease
Bleach does nothing to grease. Maybe bleach means something different to you.? Regular household ~5% NaClO bleaches you can dilute 1:1000 (couple ml per L water) and have an effective disinfectant solution.