Is it better to buy the trashiest used mobile home I can find, buy a shipping container and DIY, or buy a prefab "tiny home", cuckshed, etc.? I want to do the bare minimum, the only real requirement is having a roof over my head.
>>2954235Tiny home 100%, it's like a trailer but more durable and better insulated for harsh weather. Hire a pickup truck bro from craigslist to move it when you get tired of your renter. "Mobile" homes always fuck you with the space rent and you can't really move them.
>>2954235the actual home usually isn't the valuable part of real estate. anyway a quonset hut probably fits your needs.
>>2954253Based quonsets
>>2954235yurt
>>2954235>Aboslute minimum for roofTents. Just hanged fabrics held up with rods and wires. Then you can have wood framed sheds covered by fabric. Then the shed can be covered by roof and wall panels that can't be torn by sharp objects or heavy weightAnything sturdier and bigger needs foundation first so not ready on day one. Anything nicer are more about utilities and appliances.
>>2954235where are you do you have access to cash?get your hands on land. banks dont lend against land itself, gotta have other assets
>>2954235Pallet wood house made from stolen pallet wood.
>>2954235squat in someone's house when they evict you, go squat in someone else's house
>>2956308Squatter's rights is best. You could also try an air bnb then don't leave after.
4 unit housing complex, loan terms are some of the best often one unit is small. live like shit for a few years until the bank has checked all the boxes for the creditors then move in. throw regular bbq gives you a built in community and responsibilities. you will become a better man providing for others and other in turn will want to provide for you. towel heads figured this shit out and it is promoted in their dirt hovels for multiple wives but you can use the same language with western design and move whole families. tldr: use the rent seekers norms to capitalize on intentionally bad math.rent seekers read parasites
A simple tent.
>>2954235>What is THE cheapest form of housing?1000% it's squatting
>>2954350>banks dont lend against land itself
>>2954235You used to be able to find used FEMA trailers on eBay for very cheap. Usually not very old buildings. Sometimes the interior is pristine, and sometimes trashed out.
>>2954235Do what i did. Get a free POS RV, the roof will leak. Do a temp fix with a tarp. Live in it while making a basic off grid cabin and once the basic shell is done strip everything out of the RV and use it for all the houses systems:>Water storage tank>On demand water heater with pump and pressure tank>12v inverter with AC, battery charger and 12v power supply>All the wiring and lights you need>Propane heater>Shower>Stove with oven>Gas/electric powered refrigerator>Kitchen cabinets>Furniture>Bed>Sink>Windows>DoorsAfterwards strip the trailer down and put a floor on it and use it haul stuff.
>>2956380They don't go try and get a loan on woodlot you fucking nonce. They will loan on a HOME
>>2958441i didnt have the stamina to try and explain, anon, thanks.Loans. Unsecured loans are a thing, but rarely enough to buy buildable land. As a result, you need something to borrow against, or collateral.If this thread is where you are learning those terms, you are just a dreamer who knows nothing, not a serious poster asking a serious questionunless you are looking for advice like live in your parents basement? either way, peace loser
>>2958423have you done something like this? or is this just advice?
>>2958630Yes i have, twice. The second time bits of that RV went into three separate buildings and i use the trailer to haul big logs for a friends mill. The part that takes planning is the power system since that is getting installed before you rip out the wiring and 12v fixtures but everything else is simple.>The stove is a gas stove just really small>Heater takes both 120 and 12v if you don't manually light it, same for water heater>Gas Refrigerator requires you to read the manual on how to use itThe power unit is something i strongly advise getting the manual for since it combines a fuse box, 120v supply, 12v supply, 12v battery charger and has both 12 and 120v imputs. It is also the thing most likely to be fucked up in a old RV. The plumbing is all PEX but everything you need is there, even the pressure tank and pump. Think about it: A camper is a self contained house, it has everything you need and they are usually free. The biggest hassle besides planning out how to transfer the electrical system will probably be figuring out if you want to reuse the windows and doors since they can have rounded edges.
>>2954235A cave. It's completely free, you just need to find a suitable one.
>>2958682Caves have cryptids and the occasional 17th reich scout from inner earth if they're deep enough, gotta make sure it's a good neighborhood first
>>2954235>tiny homeAt that point you might as well buy a tool shed from home depot.
>>2954235used travel trailer (with bathroom) and a "camper cover" metal roof thing to park it under
>>2954235Literally just a decent house in a less desirable part of town
>>2954235Cheap used RV if you want a roof over your head with basic amenities, i.e. hot water, stove, microwave, sink, toilet, shower, and basic furniture.t. lived in an RV for years between houses
>>2954310Looks comfy
>>2958664its interesting to me.im living in a house I built largely out of another building set to be demolished, its not like I dont like reusing things, but other than the cute little stove, the fridges really arent that efficient, the furnace blower motors kill batteries like crazy, and the charging system isn't really smart enough not to roast the shit out of your batteries if you hook up a solar panel or three... Rv sinks and fixtures, yeah theyrr there but theyre always gonna feel cheap. good on ya for reusing it all. I have an rv. For my power I bought 1500$ of used stuff from a guy that lived in the national forest and a couple new batteries. Its just.... the real deal not the rv version, like everythingeven the water pump for inside my house, i wanted to use it, but id rather run a 120ac pump off the inverter and use 12 guage wiring already in the walls and not worry about it rather than do another dc run to 1 specific thing just so I could avoid 80 dollars of pump Ill use for hopefully years. good on you for getting shir done in the world
>>2954235Living in a van or buying a really cheap, shitty apartment in a terrible neighborhood
>>2958740Difference is a tiny home will be insulated and equipped for electrical and plumbing.
>>2958664The trouble is finding a plot of land that doesn't have covenants or zoning laws that restrict temporary accommodations. Any reasonably sized parcel will likely have such restrictions, and larger plots are prohibitively expensive requiring cash-only. And if you do find a smaller plot with no restrictions, you run the risk of having a cleetus for a neighbor who lets their 7 pitbulls run loose while they dump their shit to run-off onto your land, and you have no recourse.
>>2960066I just bought land in a unincorporated territory, no permits or even codes.
motorcycle and a sleeping bag
>>2954235Living in a van would be really comfy. I have a house but I want to do it for a few months while road tripping through Europe some day.
>>2958441>>2958629not him but i have personally taken loans out on a few pieces of undeveloped land, two of them without even road accessthey just want a very high down paymentit may be a state to state thing but afaik it's only small banks and credit unions that do it, not someone like wells fargo
>>2961370Fuck off. We're full
Cuckshed kit, they make pre-cut kits that go together like lincoln logs
>>2960394Those are 5 starting bids for homes up for auction and one complete wreck that will cost more than building a new home on empty land as you'll also have to pay to have that unlivable mess torn down. Also Detroit, obviously.
>>2954235>I want to do the bare minimum, the only real requirement is having a roof over my headGets pretty tiring quickly, you can do this with rammed earth/compressed earth blocks and a tin roof with basic timber/pole framing.https://wiki.opensourceecology.org/wiki/CEB_Press>>2954253>quonsetThis, a quonset hut scales up really big, you could even build a warehouse with one and become a wholesale goods trader.Starting cost is at least 80k plus land though.
mud house
>>2960394Best case scenario those have insane delinquent taxes/liens 10-50x higher than their sales prices, while also having been trashed on the inside and not being up to code.And even if you fix all that for what would admittedly be cheaper than a house elsewhere>Detroit
>>2954235If you own the land? Sure, a trailer would work out pretty cheap.If you don't, like in the majority of trailer parks? You're at the mercy of land rent and your landlord. And recent trends have been that privately owned ones are getting bought out by Private Equity and treated as a perfect captive money farming source.
>>2961927Not any more. Abandoned properties in Detroit are seized by the Land Bank, washed of all liens, and then auctioned off with the requirement that they be rehabbed to livable condition or torn down with new housing built. Failure to do so results in the Land Bank seizing the property again without a refund.
>>2961142>motorcycleOverkill. I lived for a few months with a tarp in my backpack.
>>2954235A wigwam is pretty available and cheap form of housing. A loo is in the yard.
>>2954235>I want to do the bare minimum, the only real requirement is having a roof over my head.Diogenes lived in a barrel. But it is necessary to take into account the correction for the climate, not in every climate this is possible.
>>2962526>lived in a barrelhe lived in rome. slept in a barrel
>>2962538He never lived in Rome, he was from a Greek colony in Turkey and lived in Athens and Corinth.
the kilt
>>2962591k>he lived in a society. slept in a barrel
>>2962600>I said something blatantly wrong, time to try to cover it up!
>>2962610point is living in a barrel in miami in 1980 is vastly different than living in a barrel in miami in 2020
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>>2962591>Turkeyyou mean anatolia"turkey" didn't exist then
>>2954235>cheapest form of housingRent
>>2954253>the actual home usually isn't the valuable part of real estateMost residential real estate (aka the average 1/4 acre suburban home) value allocation is like 90% improvement 10% land.
>>2962182>If you own the land? Sure, a trailer would work out pretty cheap.You would have to afix the trailer to a foundation to be legal. At that point, you are already paying a new build price for a trailer home that will break down a lot quicker.
Cheapest form of housing is solid stone construction, it will last forever so cost falls to zero in-the-limit>Atlanteans knew this.
>>2964500>afix the trailer to a foundation to be legal.what? The entire point of building on a wheeled trailer is you get to skirt all sorts of building codes.
>>2964511Wait until you find out code doesn't allow you to camp on your property full time, if at all.
>>2954235>What is THE cheapest form of housing?Travel trailer from a salvage auction.
>>2954235The tesla tiny home. Includes Starlink, solar panels so you can generate electricity. Modular so you can hook up a second or third one as the family (if,lol) grows. Totally off grid living you can set it up anywhere...
>>2964595forgot link, you can get one for about 8 grand.https://pezziniluxuryhomes.com/blog/dollar7579-tesla-tiny-house
>>2964595>no annual property tax billOnce you set it up on land, it'll count as improvement that'll be taxable.>8 grandIt won't be, and that doesn't include the cost of foundation, septic, and well. Also in many areas there's minimum square footage restriction.
>>2964512I'm still waiting...
Trailer/RV will be the cheapest with everything you need. It really comes down to prices. There was a 8x27 trailer/RV around for 4K, which is pretty cheap. I didn't get it before the weather turned south here but if it's still available in spring, I'm going to buy it. That's the problem with this kind of thing. Moving is where the cost is. Even if you find a cheap mobile home, the cost of moving can eat up any savings over just building something of the same size. Of course the problem there is permits and inspections. Here, anything of 200sq/ft needs all the bullshit.Of course there isn't anything stopping anyone from just building a complex of 200sq/ft buildings.
>>2964595>Forget to update >Can't open the door
>>2954310this is actually the answer if your local code allows it. You'll have to figure out what bathroom option works for you because septic tanks add a lot of complexity to the yurt situation. That's why most people use an incinerating / humanure toilet in the yurt while they slowly build their 'real' house.If code allowed it I think a large yurt ($12k give or take), a large power station from costco, and some used or cheap solar panels would be a great setup for someone just getting started in the world. Obviously would only work in more rural areas. Could then slowly build a cordwood house and be pretty much set without a mortgage.In more restrictive areas a regular single-wide mobile home on a slab might be the best you can do, and that would set you back over $100k with septic and power hookup.
