Last Threads: https://warosu.org/diy/?task=search2&search_username=artbyrobotTo begin: the project goal: I am working to make a series of humanoid robots. I am using a Biblical theme of naming the first 3 robots I make Adam, Eve, and Abel. The goal is for these robots to have human body inspired musculoskeletal systems, advanced AI, and that they look human and pass for human to a casual observer at least at a distance. They must be able to walk, talk, run, dance, do sports, do chores, manufacture products, and make more robots just like themselves if not even better. My aim is to build a single robot arm and head and then add sufficiently advanced AI to that arm and head to enable it to build the rest of its own body for me. This way I am delegating the work of building the majority of my first humanoid robot to that robot rather than doing that work myself - and this is to save me time.In a like manner, my goal with the AI is to code just enough AI that the AI can begin coding itself and this way I don't have to code most of the AI myself because it will self create itself. I liken this to building a seed and that seed growing into a tree because for me to code that tree would take too long for me and just creating the seed would then save me time.
I find it kinda funny that there's a lot of control algorithms and methods and optimization techniques that got some really weird names, like "Bang-bang function parameter optimization" and "Hummingbird optimization" even though the only the thing they do is just to figure out which curve from a family of curves best fits a certain set of constraints, which can then be used to keep something really dull and gay like an industrial liquid solution at a certain ratio. The brightest minds in Control Engineering are literally just designing techniques and setting up simulations for shit that sounds like it should be tried and true by now, like optimizing the number of Syrian and Palestinian children killed by dropping a bomb from a certain height.Meanwhile OP might not know that much about MATLAB or other fancy math scripting langs like that, but at least he got good intentions and wants to make something that looks good.
imagine actually creating an ai capable of self refinement and instead of allowing it to solve lifes greatest problems and/or trigger the start of a technological singularity but instead work on whatever retarded shit this is
>>2955929life's greatest problem is that most of creation has rebeled against it's creator. Sin has entered the world. Light has also entered the world but men hated the light because their deeds were evil. My robot will Bible thump at sinners most of the time which will hopefully make them repent and feel great shame. That solves in a small way the world's greatest problem by order of importance.
>>2955898Hey man. I rarely check in on your threads to see how your bot is coming along.Any real progress? Do you have the body fully assembled? Are you just working on software? What's the deets, my dude?
>>2955998I only have the skeleton of the arm assembled and a single motor attached to that and a single tested downgearing iterations attached to that and those attached to a single finger joint. I am now developing the custom bldc motor controller. I already finished the schematic and am building the physical implementation. I am figuring out miniaturization, heat sinking, EMI concerns, major bus pathing, test points, insulation, where flat flex custom pcbs can be incorporated to streamline production, how to support fragile wire connections with strain relief, etc. There's a million things I have to consider for every part I put in. Its extremely complicated and slow going with a ton of research and planning going into it.
>>2955998>Are you just working on software?No. I am unimginably hyped about working on the software like a kid wanting to open xmas gifts but am disciplining myself not to do it until the hardware is in place. Then the software will have a form to embody and control and interact with the real world by way of that. I feel the skeleton should come first then the mechanical/electrical engineering and THEN the AI as the final step. As soon as the arm and a minimum viable head (just eyes for now) are done I'll swap full focus to the AI dev. Not until hen.
>>2956003>>2956008Nice nice. You're cpming along nicely! Got it all planned out, aye? I hope you continue to work on it! Can't wait to see a final product one day.
Couple updates:An audience member redid my brushless DC motor schematic in the traditional commonplace formatting which for most is easier/quicker to read and understand due to familiarity. So I'm reposting it. It looks mostly accurate although I have since added a 100nF ceramic capacitor between the gate and source of the highside mosfets to reduce ringing issues. Standard practice according to chatgpt. I also changed the LED color to orange because chatgpt said blue would show through the silicone skin more and add a cold inner glow and we want it to look like real skin so no blue.As to why the highside mosfets get a 100nF ceramic gate capacitor but not the lowside, here was how chatgpt explained it to me:-High-side MOSFETs:Their source pin moves up and down with the motor phase (it’s not at a fixed potential).During switching, the drain and source both move rapidly, and the gate voltage must track that movement precisely — any ringing or inductive noise can momentarily over-stress Vgs.That’s why we add the small capacitor across gate and source: it tames that high-frequency ringing and helps hold the gate steady relative to its moving source. Low-side MOSFETs:Their source is solidly tied to ground, so the gate always swings relative to a fixed, quiet reference.They don’t experience the same “floating” gate drive or large dv/dt transitions on the source pin.So, the gate is inherently more stable, and you don’t need that extra 100 nF G–S capacitor.
Here is my updated schematic:
In further news, I tediously installed the new 100nF ceramic capacitor between gate and source of the mosfet. Due to the close proximity to the 10k ohm Vgs resistor and various other low temp solder joints in the immediate vicinity, any heat applied would surely have caused those to desolder and the whole thing to start falling apart so I ended up just soldering nickel strips to either side of the 100nF ceramic capacitor (by itself off to the side) and then used the tip of a sewing needle to apply a tiny amount of conductive silver glue onto the gate and source nickel strips coming off the IRLR7843PBF mosfet and then pressed the nickel strips of the ceramic capacitor into that. I put that in front of a mercury vapor bulb for an hour or so to cure and then applied another generous helping of conductive silver glue over the top of the joint. I then baked that another 7 hours under the mercury vapor bulb again. This photo shows the final result.It appears to be a solid joint and I think this is a great way to make attachments when you can't use soldering! It might even be better than soldering in some cases from a ease of application perspective but not sure yet on that.
>>2956056My brother in Christ, you should definitely use KiCAD or some other schematic-making program if you're gonna have to keep track of every single component you're gonna have to wire literally from head to toes.Also, you might wanna consider implementing a distributed control system with one "master" controller and several "slave" controllers (y'know, the way the human brain has to communicate with neurons all throughout the body) so as have, say, one controller controlling all the fingers and joints in one hand or all the toes in one foot, but to also have them all synchronized so as to cooperate on actions that require several limbs, such as walking through a path with lots of obstacles, wrapping presents, or washing dishes.
>>2956062>just use KiCADwell I did as shown here: https://youtu.be/pE9f_bEhd4obut I don't like it and would only use it if trying to get PCBA again which I currently plan to never do again. I prefer photoshop and handmaking circuits.>use distributed control systemI plan to. There will be a main brains PC - a mini ITX gaming pc, then that will feed into a master arduino mega 2560 pro mini which will feed into many lower tier master arduino mega 2560 pro minis to do the lower level grunt work.
I ought to design a small non-human robot, but I have nothing I need automated cause I do everything myself.
>>2956089how many watts of power will be used for processing? how many for movement?
>>2956129alot and not practical to estimate IMO at this time
>>2956158not even ballpark?seems pretty important to budget power requirements
>>2956179For my humanoid robot I’ve got about 300 motors total, but for a high-strain activity like a deadlift, only a subset is under peak load. The legs, glutes, and back use the 10 big 4082 motors, the torso/back uses 25 mid-size 2838/3650 motors, and about 70 small 2430 motors handle arms and fingers at holding or assisting load.Starting with the small 2430s, each is rated 200W at 7.4V and 20A. I’m assuming 60% of rated power for this deadlift scenario. So per motor:200W × 0.6 = 120WWith 70 motors:120W × 70 = 8,400W ≈ 8.4kWFor the 25 mid-size 2838/3650 motors, rated around 500W each, I’m assuming 80% load:500W × 0.8 = 400W per motor25 × 400W = 10,000W = 10kWFor the 10 big 4082 motors, rated ~2,300W at working voltage, I’m assuming 90% load:2,300W × 0.9 = 2,070W per motor10 × 2,070W = 20,700W ≈ 20.7kWAdding them together gives the instantaneous power draw for the deadlift:8,400 + 10,000 + 20,700 = 39,100W ≈ 39.1kWFor batteries, I’m using 500 Sony VTC6 cells (150 on-body, 350 in backpack). Each cell is nominally 3.7V, 30A short-pulse (5s). 500 x 30 x 3.7a = 55,500W ≈ 55.5kWWe are then using 39kw of a possible 55kw to perform the deadlift leaving a 16kw buffer.Sequencing the motors realistically allows full-body high-strain movements like a deadlift without exceeding battery limits, Electronics / PCs ProcessingArduinos, gate drivers, sensors: ~150–200W — trivial compared to motors.Mini-ITX gaming PC in torso + high-end humanoid PC in head: ~500–1,000W total — still small relative to motors under high-strain
>>2956198Wait, wait, wait, you think it takes 55kw to do a deadlift? Are you trying to lift small buildings? And you think you are somehow going to source 55kw out of whatever human sized battery pack you stick on there?
>>2956651These aren't pancake motors they are much smalller so smaller amount of permanent magnets and so what would look like high kw doesn't produce as much raw strength as it sounds. That said you completely misread the math. 55Kw is battery output of hte battery packs I have planned that easily fit and I can go bigger as well. 39k is the power draw of the robot, well under what the batteries can provide. Read it line by line next time since you skimmed poorly.
>>2956651You’re mixing up power draw with torque density. My 39 kW isn’t because I’m trying to lift buildings, it’s because I use a ton of small, high-KV/low-PM motors (2430s, etc.) that are electrically inefficient for raw torque compared with big pancake/axial flux motors. Those pancake motors have way higher torque per watt (more magnet mass, lower KV, more pole pairs, better thermal path), so they hit the same torque with less input power. I chose the small motors for packaging, cost, and distributed actuation — so yes, the electrical kW is higher for the same perceived “strength.”
>>2956724>high-KV/low-PM motorsalso a note on low pm from chatgpt:When someone says a motor is “low-PM”, they’re referring to it having weaker magnets or less magnetic flux linkage between rotor and stator. That usually goes hand-in-hand with high-KV motors because:High-KV motors spin faster per volt, which happens when the magnetic field is weaker.To get that high speed, the manufacturer uses fewer turns of wire and/or less powerful magnets (lower PM strength).The trade-off is: they produce less torque per amp, so they’re inefficient at creating high mechanical force — but they draw lots of current and convert more power into heat.So “low PM” is shorthand for low magnetic flux linkage, meaning less torque per ampere, more inefficiency, and higher electrical losses compared to a low-KV, high-PM motor with strong magnets.In your case, your long narrow motors have small-diameter rotors (less leverage) and weaker magnets, so you need more motors and more current to reach human-level torque — hence that big kW number even though the total strength isn’t “superhuman.”
>>2956738and as far as how this compares to other humanoids from chatgpt:Most high-DOF humanoids out there (like Atlas, Digit, HRP series) operate on much bigger, more torque-dense motors, which lets them move similar limb loads with far less electrical power. Some reference points:Atlas: roughly 5–15 kW continuous for locomotion; peak jumps/strains might hit ~20 kW.Digit: a bit smaller, peaks around 10–15 kW for full-body motion.HRP-series: similar scale, 10–20 kW during heavy joint motion, walking or lifting objects.The key difference: these humanoids use low-KV, large-diameter, strong-permanent-magnet motors or high-torque actuators. That means they produce more torque per watt. Your design is different — long, narrow, high-KV, low-PM motors. To hit the same absolute torque, your motors draw much more power, which is why your deadlift scenario hits 39 kW even though it’s “only” a human-scale lift.So compared to these robots, your 39 kW number isn’t “insane” — it’s just the natural consequence of packing lots of small, inefficiently torque-dense motors to achieve high DOF and tight bone-hugging geometry. It’s a different design philosophy: distributed, small motors vs. large torque-dense actuators.
>>2956752but you'll note that these robots were also unable to acheive full DOF of a human nor the human profile and form factor so they lack realism. Mine will have fully articulated fingers and spine etc whereas these were stiff backed and bizarre looking unaesthetic 2 legs and 2 arms is goal screw appearance we only care about function because we are unartistic blind engineers
Quoting a bunch of ChatGPT at us makes you look so retarded.
>>2956752Ok, so you actually have no clue how electric motors or power works. Thanks for confirming. Do you think a human produces 39kw? Even at max effort a human is lucky to push 1kw. Pretty much every robot on the market today will be under 2kw. How would you even cool that many motors drawing that much? You clearly don't understand the scales of power you claim to use.What voltage are you running at? And once again, how are you getting 39kw out of those batteries? Are you running Let's put it this way, each of those batteries you want to use is 3000mah at 3.7v. That is 3 amps can be drawn over an hour before the battery hits zero. If you were to draw 30 amps from each, they would last 6 seconds. So if you were through some miracle of engineering put all 39kw through them with snapping your robots bones/shoddy pullies like a twig and bursting into flames, it's what 10 to 15 seconds before the battery is drained.
>>2956774human muscles are way more efficient in terms of converting electrical power to useful physical pulling force than a motor. Motors use rotating magnetic fields and human muscles use shortening muscles. They are apples and oranges. We don't have actuators that can match that let alone on a hobbyist budget which is a big goal of mine - using commodity level common motors with nothing custom about them to do this which opens doors for others to do similar as this project is open source and DIYer people aren't rich. >how to cool?evaporative cooling heat exchanger in lungs combined with a liquid cooling circulatory system through whole body and braided copper wire heat sinked to all motors and electronics and fed over to the liquid cooling piping. Also an ice cube drinking plan for cooling the liquid coolant when needed in advance. Also a artificial lung system for room air exchange and venting of heated internal air. I have videos on these plans.>what voltage are you running at since I didn't read your post that explained this for each motorthen read it again>how did you calculate the kw out of the batteries because I didn't read where you showed the maththen read it>3000mah means 6 seconds lasting at 30amight want to recheck your math son. It would actually be 6 minutes first and second that draw would only be occuring never since that is the max and we were 40% below that and this for worst case scenarios like a full on deadlift which would only last like 1 second of max exertion before inertia and momentum take over most of it as well as good form etc. 99.9999% of the time we'd come nowhere even near to that level of exertion.>giving motors designed to take on 200w on their datasheet the 200w they are designed for with break themsorry that's not how electroincs datasheets work child.
>>2956825If you know how datasheets work now surely you can answer this without begging an LLM for an answer
Okay so here I have attached the LED and resistor pair with their 30ga wire wrapping wire onto my highside mosfet's front face. I may add conductive silver paste to the wire wraps in the future if any issues come up there. However, I am wondering if just tightly wrapping it in electrical tape would more or less guarantee the connection doesn't open circuit. We'll see.
I also finished soldering together six braided copper solder wick strands which will act as my heatsink for my highside mosfet. I am still deliberating on how to attach it to back of mosfet in such a way that it will be electrically isolated but thermally conductive. I am leaning toward thermal tape for this.
Here's the thermal tape I bought for mosfet heat sinking off Amazon:
>>2956773^i was almost fooled for a moment, and then you started with the ai bullshitbut please tell me, why do you use chatgpt to build your robot, but are adamant about not using anything like it in the robot ?
>>2957023meant for you Artbyrobot, not >>2956773its late, im getting retarded
>>2957024>its late, im getting retardedDon't worry. Not as retarded as him.
>>2957023it's black box. my ai can ask chatgpt questions though as a resource if stuck or to double check its spelling and puncuation etc perhaps. But my ai will never be black box. I would lose control and lose ability to improve it in novel ways as soon as all visibility on my end is lost. I need to understand my own AI deeply and have no black box aspects to it. Also I don't blindly trust chatgpt but hawk eye its output with skepticism. Yet its faster than reading a whole book to get a one sentence answer to a question real quick. It saves time even if its only 80% right or w/e. Worth it.
>>2956825Holy Christ you are dumb. I wasn't asking how you calculated the power output. I was asking how you think you are going to physically transfer the power between the batteries and the motor. Do you realize what gauge wire is needed to transfer 40kw? At 7.4 volts, what you claim as the rated voltage for the motors, you'd need 405 amps, that's minimum 600kcmil wire. That you want to fit into a robot that is human sized. Oh, and the heat? Even taking an average of 90% efficiency, which I doubt your bodged together creation will make, that is still 4000 watts of heat to dissipate. You aren't doing that with the cfm a typical mouth opening is capable of. And all of that is just your motors, not including the dual PC's, Arduino, whatever sensors you use, etc. Oh, and pro-tip on motor data sheets, a motor can't pull locked rotor current for very long before burning up, they don't like to be stalled. And well, if you are trusting some Chinese data sheet, they are definitely using locked rotor current in the power calc and then adding a bit extra on top, so no, you can't pull "max power" forever on a motor.
>>2957060>every motor in your robot is 7.4v and a far distance from the batteriesnot true. Only the smaller ones are 7.4v go reread>your robot will always operate at max effort of a deadlift with no exceptionsthat's not how humans nor humanoid robots operate. usually we exert relatively low energy so assuming peak heat generation will be the case constantly is dumb>all of your power will run through a single electrical wire that has to be big enough for every single motor, no distribution of smaller wires that branch out will be possiblenot how distrubuted wiring branching networks work sir.BTW I noticed you conveniently ignored that most other top humanoids top out at around half my topout power so its not like I'm 10x higher than them. And they are working just fine with basically NO cooling systems unlike the extensive ones I have planned.
>$40k just to make a prototype of a humanoid robotDang, it's gonna be expensive to make Astro-Boy for real.
>>2957066>at least 900W for every single state-of-the-art humanoid robot pictured hereWell, I guess I'll need some thick, heavy insulating gloves to do maintenance work on those things. It probably won't be too good of an idea to let the dog pee on 'em.
Yo OP, have you thought of wheels? You could probably save up some space and power by just using motors directly coupled to wheels, unless you want your robots to be capable of doing kickboxing.
>>2956825>evaporative cooling heat exchanger in lungs combined with a liquid cooling circulatory system through whole body and braided copper wire heat sinked to all motors and electronics and fed over to the liquid cooling piping. Also an ice cube drinking plan for cooling the liquid coolant when needed in advance. Also a artificial lung system for room air exchange and venting of heated internal air. I have videos on these plans. you really need to come up with a better make belive plan than this, because it's very very very obvious there is zero real thought behind this beyond pointlessly mimicking the circulatory systemI mean, at least go for a coolant loss system that douses the exterior to cool
>>2957063Uhh, you do now running multiple smaller wires is actually both heavier and more space consuming then a single large one right? I mean, if you want your robot to get on an episode of my 600lb life more power to you I guess.
>>2957068guess they don't use this motor
>>2957071wheeled humanoids are a joke and pathetic. A humanoid has to pass for human. Humans aren't wheeled. A humanoid has to be able to climb ladders and step over obstacles, run up stairs, etc. Wheels would make it worse at all of that. And yes, a humanoid should be able to do kickboxing and any other sport the regular way.
>>2957075I also have a robot sweating system planned which is basically what you just described. It's much lower priority idea though but I have a video on it.
>>2957066these prices are WAY off. You can make one for $6k all in
>>2957068Boston Dynamics Atlas (the hydraulic one) draws around 20–30 kW peak so bad example to have him on this list as it draws nearly same peak power as mine
>>2957075so a downside to this is its clothing would get wet. So I'd really only use this approach for very hot days outside mowing type of work. But for that even hosing down its clothes and hair would work so built in sweating system is a bit redundant. And internal sweating would be too dangerous for creating shorts IMO and oxidation issues as well as calcification issues over time. Plus the outermost silicone skin while getting warm, if cooled, would not have a huge impact on heat of electronics just by cooling it since its not thermally coupled to them directly. So cooling it would have just somewhat lower impact not sure. Ideally my other cooling systems would make it redundant.
Soon we'll be at 1000 posts, and we have a few soldered smd components (not to a PCB mind you), some string threaded through a plastic tube, and that one skeletal hand image with fabric sewn over it to show for it.
>>2957145among 1k other tangible progression steps you left out, thanks for letting me know that hundreds of hours of CAD work and schematic making are considered absolutely nothing to you. I guess in your mind snapping fingers makes those hundreds of hours of work magically appear. Pretty cool disneyworld you live in
>>29571561000 posts anon. Think about that.>hundreds of hours of CAD work and schematic makingI don't count them because they aren't progress. If they were part of a structured process, they would be progress, but in your case you use the details of an implementation of a far away system as a form of escapism from the (less gratifying) actual issues at hand. It's one of the bitter pills we all have to learn to swallow when we do project management of anything that's of substantial size."I thought about the lung" is not only not relevant, it's actively harmful to development. Since 80% at absolute minimum of schematics and cad work have been discarded since due to ill-defined constraints, they don't count either.
>>2957160No, I did not merely think about the lungs, I designed them in great detail as well as the air distribution system and I am ready for implementation. >schematics aren't progressok literally only you think this have fun
>>2957175>and I am ready for implementationWrong. In fact I'm willing to bet I'll check when you are at thread 7 and you won't have even started implementing the lungs, because they are far away from what you actually need right now. To employ a metaphor, you're spending weeks thinking about what colors the dashboard of your self-built car should have or if you want leopard print seats, when you haven't even gotten started on the motor or chassis.
>>2957178>being ready for implementation means its the very next step on your to do listnot necessarily. It just means the design is fleshed out enough to begin the build when the time comes with all problems already solved in the design.>your robot is equal to a car with no frameit literally has a finished skeleton/frame built and replicated in CAD and all components designed around and physically built and on site and being added to. Horrible analogy>your robot is like a car with no motorI literally have the motors and even installed one and am building out the rest of their control stack as we speak. Bad analogy.
>>2957188>with all problems already solved in the design.That's the part you'll fail at. Come actually making it you'll realize.>built and replicated in CAD and all components designed around and physically built and on site and being added toSo what you've got is a crude mockup in CAD, same as you had in the earlier threads. Okay.>I literally have the motors and even installed one and am building out the rest of their control stack as we speakSurely we'll see some of that right? After all, the only thing you need to do to prove me wrong is post consistent progress in here. But we both know that's not happeningAlso stop quoting stuff I didn't say and instead what you heard or want to respond to, it's annoying as fuck to follow and makes your post seem schizophrenic. Just quote the relevant actual part of the post you're replying to.Despite everything I do wish you well, but I also did so months ago and somehow progress has been even slower than my already lukewarm expectations. I suppose slow and steady wins the race in the end, but at this rate I'll be in a retirement home by then.
>>2957145>1000 postsIf only it were that little...He's been "working" on this project for 10 YEARS at this point, on other platforms. He has nothing to show for it.
>>2957191>modeling every part to a millimeter accuracy in the whole robot - literally hundreds of parts and hundreds of thousands of polygons of details is crudenot to literally anybody but you>don't like how you paraphrase accurately my postsit's effective communication>progress is slow, I expect you to no life the project as a full time job, abandoning family, work life balance, financial responsibilities, and fast track yourself to homelessness and deep debtuhm, lets see you do that in a small hobby time budget>>2957212>a single person with no engineering background should be able to develop world class bipedal robots more advanced than anything out there far faster than Boston Dynamics or Honda Asimo took on their projects and should just magically know every field involved without the need for any research or planning or self education along the way and no iterative prototyping is allowed it should just be one shot and done perfectly first attemptsorry this is not a marvel movie
>>2957191Not even a proper CAD program mind you, it's all in Maya lmao
>>2957218>modeling every part to a millimeter accuracyA millimeter is huge and on the off chance you build any hardware you're immediately going to run into clearance issues.>>2956859You still haven't answered this btw
>>2957225>Computer aided design cannot be done in 3d modeling softwaremake it make sense>you aren't able to shift around pieces in a millimeter in any direcitonno, robots have more space that that as wiggle room>take part in rigged quizzes after the last time you did we said you lied on the resultswhy bother? I thought I'm going slow why go slower by doing pointless side quests with no upside?
>>2957230I said none of those things.Commandment 9 btw
>>2957230And I'll humor you even as you lie and bare false witness;What part of that question is "rigged?"It's a beginner level question
>>2957231I can prove how these each accurately portray what you said. I never claimed they were exact quotes they are accurate paraphrases. Literally everyone on this board would agree.
>>2957260>I can prove how these each accurately portray what you said.Go and do it then>they are accurate paraphrases. Literally everyone on this board would agree.You insist on lying again. You know both these statements are false.
>>2957218my brother in Christ, i cant fucking model something as simple as a threaded cap, print it and having fit on the first try (mostly because of retardation)we used to do amateur rocketry with friends, each subsystems had between a handful and dozens of iterationsthen, we could pretends that the full integrated CAD drawing was worth somethingyou have a very, very nice computerized version of a doodle. it is useful, as a way to envision the project, but doing to the millimeter only mean you are deeply, deeply retarded10 years and you cant even make your creepy hand moveive had some of the laziest, pothead fat fucks that couldnt finish medecine or engineering studies making a anatomically correct robotic handgo to church, confess your prideyou are the worse Christian I see in this thread, let alone on this god forsaken websiteyou commit deadly sins and break the CommandmentsGod will forsake you if you continue down this pathI will pray for your soul but only you can save yourself from the devil within
>>2957218>a single person with no engineering background should just magically know every field involved without the need for any research or planning or self educationuuuh, then idk, maybe uhh, listen to the shitload of actual engineers, self-taught or otherwise that are actually trying to help you ?fucking moron
>>2957266>you have a very, very nice computerized version of a doodle. it is useful, as a way to envision the project, but doing to the millimeter only mean you are deeply, deeply retardedHe doesn't even have a full CAD model. He has a human body shape he got online, and some lines inside with little cylinders on them that represent motors. Calling it "very, very nice" is a huge overstatement.The "hundreds of parts" thing is the clue, He thinks he's getting like 300 motors or so in this thing.>>2957230lmao, the narcissist quiz. I forgot about that. We got you on camera on that one. You being a fucking dumbass literally told us you gave false answers.
>>2957270i wanted to be nice for a changealso, for something that is conceptually a napkin drawing, it is the nicest i saw yetits not CAD, not schematics, not anything more than a mental illness driven computerized doodle on steroid, albeith a pretty onei just cant imagine how much time he wasted (adding the learning time for maya) make it
Maya is a 3d modeling software program. You said that it is not proper which by extension means that you are suggesting it is not able to provide computer aided design functionality (the definition of CAD). And yet 3d modeling is 100% CAD and 100% proper in any software that can provide this functionality. Therefore, my paraphrase "Computer aided design cannot be done in 3d modeling software" is accurate since you did say Maya, a 3d modeling software, is not proper IE it cannot be used for CAD work. I said millimeter accuracy CAD was achieved and you said a millimeter is huge and will lead to clearance issues. It is not at all a misrepresentation of that to say "you aren't able to shift around pieces in a millimeter in any direciton" is a accurate paraphrase because it perfectly embodies your complaint. Anyways, you said I was lying and now were indisputably proven wrong. I expect a full apology.
>>2957270>literally told us you gave false answers.no I confessed that I suspected there could have been unintentional biases in my answers given honestly. Which means not only was I honest but also I was honest about the risk that bias can creep in which is a inherent flaw in any personality test. A person can have an idea of how they would respond or feel in a situation based on how they feel they aught to respond or feel hypothetically while in reality maybe would respond or feel differently in practice if that situation came in real life. This represents a collision between one's ideal image of self and goals vs one's real life behavior. For example, Peter in the Bible said emphatically that he would NEVER deny Christ and would die for Him in a heartbeat. I am POSITIVE as any theologian would agree that Peter really believed this and said it in all sincerity. In fact, this is proven by the fact Jesus did not call him out for lying then and there. Peter really felt this about his intentions for that hypothetical future scenario. But when the time of testing came Peter denied Christ 3 times. So then, a man's ideal image of what he aught to do in a future scenario doesn't always match up to how he will really do when the time comes. It was admitting to this reality in CANDOR that led you to falsely accuse me of ADMITTING to LYING ON THE TEST. When in fact admitting to the biases we can have while answering honestly was my only point and you twisted it to bear false witness against me. Wicked on your parts. God will judge on this. And find you wanting.
>>2957276Proper as in parametric CAD where the tools are meant for making real objects that interface with reality and are able to be made to tight tolerances. If you had experience with CAD tools vs 3d modeling tools you would immediately know what I meant.>It is not at all a misrepresentation of that to say "you aren't able to shift around pieces in a millimeter in any direciton"You know it's a misrepresentation. Be honest with me and everyone else and try again. On the off chance you're serious consider what happens when you have 25 parts that are all off by a millimeter. If you can't conceptualize how one mm can be a huge offset then you're telling on yourself for never fabricating anything remotely precise.>Anyways, you said I was lying and now were indisputably proven wrong. I expect a full apology.Ridiculous hubris.
>>2957279it's so funny how clowns think Maya can't make 3d models that are highly accurate and can be used for interfacing with reality. I've been 3d modeling in Maya and 3d printing those models and using them in real life interfacing with tight tolerances for a decade son. Ridiculous hubris is ONLY coming from you son.
>>2957283Mate, we've seen what you consider 'tight tolerances'; they're dogshit. So forgive the collective ITT when we don't think you know WTF you're doing.
>>2957277Didn't read. Even your lengthy response here is just more signs you're a narcissist. Who do you think wants to read all this drivel you put out other than yourself? I swear you jerk off to this trash.
>>2957212You know part of me thinks that's a shame, if he channeled his efforts even remotely he could have a fun little project by now, which he could use as a jumping off point. Then again I'm probably overrating his skills, it seems to mostly be daydreaming at this point.>>2957225Holy shit I didn't recognize it but I think you're right kek. It's a fucking polygon model, not even parametric. JESUS CHRIST.>>2957218>>don't like how you paraphrase accurately my posts>it's effective communicationYou managed to trigger me so much that now I'm only gonna reply the way you do. Fuck you.>my shitty polygon mockup is actually dimensionally accuratenot to anyone remotely knowing anything about parametric design, simulation or digital twins.>i want to build a self replicating robot that btfos the industry and is human like but on a small hobby time budgetyeah lmao, good luck. As I said, daydreams.>>2957283>Maya is the same as parametric modelling and exchangeableUtterly delusional, I beg you anon get enrolled in university as a guest listener (should be cheap to do) and listen in in a scientific computing 101 lecture.>>2957283>I've been using maya as a 1:1 digital twin for decadesPost anything that proves it then. No, a shell for a project doesn't count. I'm begging for a single crumb of proof (screenshot of maya model, next to real life counterpart).>Inb4 "I didn't say that"effective communication retard.
>>2957328>You know part of me thinks that's a shame, if he channeled his efforts even remotely he could have a fun little project by now, which he could use as a jumping off point. Then again I'm probably overrating his skills, it seems to mostly be daydreaming at this point.I'd like to believe that, but I really doubt it's possible for him. He's a narcissist, and this project along with several other equally retarded projects are how he convinces himself that he's intelligent and a worthy person. He actually lives with his parents, no job, a few kids that he isn't financially supporting in any way (info he has posted on his YouTube channel). If he ever produces anything it could then be measured, and he'd have the uncomfortable experience of finding that once he is measured, he actually isn't all that he thinks he is. (Elite, godly, so on) and that would disrupt his narcissistic self image.As far as rating his skills, he has no skills. He is at a beginner level in programming but with the baggage of several extremely stupid bad habits that he is incapable of analysing. His "robotics" skills are nil, he just plays with craft materials. Anything he has that actually looks good is really something premade that he is adapting, like the hand, or the 3D model of a human body. Anything he says that seems like it might be approaching intelligence is a paraphrase of ChatGPT or some popsci YouTube video he saw. He doesn't really understand any of this in context.
>>2957331>a few kids that he isn't financially supporting in any wayI don't really judge people for being failures, it happens. Some of my favorite projects I follow online are made by utter failures. If what you said is true though, then that's an exception, children are a lifelong responsibility.>is a paraphrase of ChatGPT or some popsci YouTube video he sawDon't worry the chatgpt hasn't eluded me, it's quite obvious. Other than the deadbeat dad allegations I can't help but root for him, though he probably should get therapy for the self image issues and then have the humility to take some courses on basics, but we both know that's not happening. But that's the issue, the project has been going for ages and the stuff that there's to show for it is legitimately maybe a week of work if I'm being generous. Two weeks if we factor in all the daydreaming and consider that "work" (we shouldn't).I suppose it's like trying to argue with a schizophrenic that they are hallucinating or a bipolar person on a manic episode that they are manic - they aren't capable of self reflection to the extent that's required to follow the line of logic. You'd think 5 threads where half the people are telling you you're doing badly would ring alarm bells that maybe they might be hinting at a deeper issue - but apparently not.I suppose I'll check in on thread 10 and see that we now have 50 pages of further daydreams and in terms of tangible progress a spring has been attached to the string threaded through plastic tubes since.
>>2957333>Other than the deadbeat dad allegations I can't help but root for himMe too. I roast him a lot and he never answers my questions or bothers to learn from them but I want to see him produce something. I'm also certain he got some kind of brain damage some time in the mid 2000s because his old art from then and his web pages from the early 2010s are much more thought out than anything recent like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4bzQV3ntREHe's also one of the least misanthropic and more pleasant and sane members of the robowaifu sphere.
>>2957357Okay that may seem rude, but he seems so much more normal than I expected. Most of the weird people I follow for their projects are actually borderline schizoid. He just seems like a normal dude who fell on hard times and has trouble coping with it. Now I'm rooting for him even more. May he get better and surprise us/prove us wrong with a great project unlikely as it is.
this guy said "But that's the issue, the project has been going for ages and the stuff that there's to show for it is legitimately maybe a week of work if I'm being generous. Two weeks if we factor in all the daydreaming and consider that "work" (we shouldn't)." --- this is ridiculous to me. I spent like 40 hours on the AI development, creating a digital heirarchical and topical folder structure with notepad files to create a organized mind for the robot and a broken down system of commands and knowledge base. actually may have been 60-70 hours even. I also started a simulation engine and computer vision and tts and tts and chatbot stuff for it even started making a custom operating system from scratch which I may one day use for it potetially. all of that maybe 300 hours in? then I also did a good 70 hours of CAD work on the robot overal layout and maybe another 50-70 hours of schematics work in 3d and 2d with notes. then another good I dunno 4k horus of research and note taking. And then physical prototyping work of robot bones and ligaments and motor attachments and pulley based downgearing systems and tensioning systems and rotating turn in place pulley systems anotehr say 300 horus of work. then anotehr 30 hours of work on a steel framed robot prototype progress. a good 150 hours of fiberglass skeleton making for the adam robot. He says all of this is 2 weeks of work if being generous!?
maybe fiberglass was another 60 hours on top of that for the sculpting work. and also the electronics prototyping work actual soldering oh and the researching and buying parts and organizing and labeling them and putting into bags and building shelves for all of it so I can find things my goodness even that was massive. had to be say 400 hours right there?then another good 80 hours of tearing down appliances and what not to study their insides and learn about electronics design in a hands on way like that and pulling out parts I can reuse for the robot. also building the project website and blog and the many threads I share it on, all meant to publicize, bounce ideas, get suggestions and feedback, etc...and all the youtube videos I made meticulously documenting all my progress. 800 hours right there I bet.
>>2957372>>2957371We measure hours of work in terms of how many hours a reasonably skilled individual would take, not how many hours you took.If you spend 300 hours writing a 1 page essay, that's not magically the equivalent of 300h work, that's 1 hour of work depending on the complexity of the topic.>and all the youtube videos I made meticulously documenting all my progress>meticulously documenting all my progressLast documenting on youtube was Sep 21, a month ago. Again, real estate daydreaming doesn't count. So which is it? Are you not documenting all your progress as you said, or are you documenting your progress but just didn't make any since?
>>2957382youtube video releases were on a once a week schedule with at one point a whole year+ queued in advance. So work done on youtube videos may have been filmed over a year before the video drops. And all unrelated videos shared those 1 video per week time slots so recency of robot updates on youtube is random. At present I have I think like 3 robot videos queued for hte next couple months to come out. Most of my backlog has already been released so I'm dropping to a 1 video every 2 weeks schedule now on youtube. So If I make 3 videos on gardening that would push the next robot update to 6 weeks out as an interuption even if the robot videos were made one a day there would be a sudden 6 week wait.
>>2955898>>2955981>what part made you conclude that?Your arduino connects to the gate of transistor that is meant to pull the gate of another higher power transistor low, but it cant do this because it is connected to the source of the power transistor.>Im using N-FETs, not NPN BJTsReplacing NPNs with N-Channel MOSFETs makes no fundamental difference, but you have completely changed the circuit topology.>not sure what pull down transistor means but the A09T is at source and acts as a lowside switch providing ground connection to source which completes the gate to source circuit and raises the Vgs to switch the IRLR7843PBF on.It is infinitely easier to control a mosfet using the gate, rather than fucking around with the source voltage. If you are concerned about miniaturisation, look at the original schematic. Each switch was only 4 components. IIRC guy's main issues were seemingly based around software and timing/control, the schematic seems to be the easy part here.>chatgpt stuffChatGPT is designed to agree with whatever you say to give you a dopamine hit so you use it instead of other AI websites. It can be correct sometimes, but I would take whatever it says with a mountain of salt.>TO-251 is largerYes, but it is much easier to find/mount to a proper heatsink. If you still want to use copper braid, heat shrink will work better on a long drain pin rather than around the drain of a TO-252 package which is the size of the transistor (heat shrink might not work well with such a flat, rectangular shape, at that point, wrapping the transistor in Kapton tape for insulation and durability would work much better)>P Channels for current sourcingYou used AI slop, so I would just say as a learning exercise go ask the AI why P-channel fets are commonly used in current sourcing, and why N-channel fets are commonly used in current sinking. Ofc you don't need to use P-channel fets, its just a suggestion.
>>2957414>Your arduino connects to the gate of transistor that is meant to pull the gate of another higher power transistor low, but it cant do this because it is connected to the source of the power transistor.not sure I understand what you mean I assume you are speaking of the lowside switch and its A09T not working together that I have some oversight on that portion. I don't see the oversight at this time but will discover it in testing when I test that portion. Right now I'm working on the highside switching portion and getting ready to test that. Soon I'll find what you mean on the lowside portion in testing if you are right.>chatgpt only agrees with what you saywell not for me. I debate it and it disagrees often and I have to persuade it to eventually agree with me once I prove it. But I still agree you have to take it with a mountain of salt I'm trying to be careful and verify things as I go.>use kapton tape insteadnot sure I understand why you think heatshrink won't work as well here something to do with it offering tightening best on circular shapes rather than rectangle shapes? Like are you thinking the rectangle will only receive the pressure of the shrinkage on its corners and not on flat faces enough?anyways great feedback from you I appreciate your time
>>2957124Then why haven’t you made one yet?
>>2958187Check a few threads back, he still needs to sell off his burnt out van.
>>2958208The burnt out van is so perfect for him. It will never be able to be sold, so he will ALWAYS have an excuse for why his robot or any other project of his hasn't been done.
>>2958187>why isn't your robot done already?because it takes time to learn and master the entire set of fields required to make it, and it takes time to buy and organize it all and it takes time to iteratively prototype custom innovative solutions for various things. And real life obligations often take my time away from the robot dev.>>2958208>>2958245no, the proceeds of the van sale will not be going toward robotics at all. Fact is, there is nothing left to buy for the robot for quite a few years other than maybe some very small odd or end here or there maybe. I have already bought all I need to make everything I plan to make in the next many years. And that is everything for the arm namely. Once the arm is done I switch to AI dev to teach the arm to build the rest of its own body. Those two jobs: 1) build arm and 2) build out AI are like decades of work so I don't need the motors for the rest of the body anytime soon.
>>2958293>proceedsWhat are you talking about? No one mentioned anything about that.We're talking about how your van project is a huge time sink that will allow you to excuse your lack of progress for quite some time to come.
>>2958293>because it takes time to learn and master the entire set of fields required to make itBut... aren't you already an elite roboticist and programmer?
>>2958321I already defined elite roboticist and programmer as someone who has not even necessarily ever coded nor built a single robot but rather as someone whose goals in the fields of programming and robotics are sufficiently epic to cause them to be elite by way of their goal setting being epic. However, that alone is not enough they also must have spent a huge amount of time working toward those goals consistently, demonstrating that they are very serious and committed to them. So no pure ideas men who take no action count.
>>2958328That is an absolute bullshit definition and I think if you're honest with yourself you probably know it. You've just tweaked it like that so you can feel good calling yourself that without feeling like too much of a liar.Daydreaming about an epic robot and slaving away for years only to ultimately fail would fit that definition. How can someone who hasn't even built something be called elite?
>>2958319>We're talking about how your van project is a huge time sinkoh I didn't consider that as a angle you might make up. How silly. That project has like 30 hours left to be done and I work on it like a few hours ever other wednesday in theory although I only worked on it like 10 hours the past year. The biggest time sink project I have is NOT that .
>>2958333it's an amazing definition and I stand by it. Prove it's not
>>2958333>for years only to ultimately failalso I don't think you can fail a project like this UNLESS you quit and if you QUIT, you are no longer an elite roboticist and coder since you are no longer fitting the definition as someone who is NOT any longer having an epic goal (you quit the goal) and are NOT someone who is making consistent long term progress toward the goal and you are NOT demonstrating very serious commitment. So to say my definition would apply to a quitter is completely ignoring the terms of the definition as stated.
>>2958328I'm all for a hobby for sure. I also professionally design the AI for robots, and can tell that you're pretty far away from even a basic robot, let alone something like a humanoid robot.You should probably temper your expectations and take on a project that's much simpler, like a drone or a segbot or something. This way you'd actually learn something, and would possibly be able to finish and move onto more complex projects afterwards (e.g. adding legs to a segbot, more advanced pathfinding autonomy, etc etc there's literally no limit in directions you can go). Crawl before you run, so they say- designing a humanoid robot is like building a car from scratch before you can crawl.
>>2958340actually no, actuating a single finger joint of a humanoid is not a big project and can provide plenty of learning while still under the umbrella of the overarching larger project. You do not need to make robot mice for 25 years before building a humanoid. Dumb take.
>>2958350actually there is a scenario which may apply where your advice to build shit beginner robots for a while before moving onto epic ones would be reasonable: you have no confidence as a person, you have been a failure your whole life, you are not handy, you can't even do an oil change on your own car, you have everyone do everything for you, if your jeans tore you'd have no clue how to fix them, if your AC unit stopped blowing cold air you'd not even attempt to repair it you'd buy a new unit, you are basically helpless, useless, not handy, don't even own tools or tape or glue, you simply are a incompetent gamer your whole life. Yes, these people are surprisingly common and for those people, stick you the shitty beginner robot tutorials. If none of this applies, then your advice is retarded.
>elite robotocist>Can't figure out how to find the max ADC polling rate of a given mcu after seven monthsIf you keep going at this pace you'll ascend to the level of highschool tinkerer right around your fiftieth birthday, Gary
>>2958336>>2958338This is like trying to communicate with a chimp.It is entirely possible to fail an overly ambitious project without quitting. You can waste your life away on it, and then eventually die without achieving anything. You'll see, because it's what's going to happen to you.Just answer me this: does being elite require any skill whatsoever? Is drive enough? We have a word for someone with a lot of drive already, "driven".
Someone on the EEVblog forums pressed him on timelines and his roadmap includes dying then waiting for God to let him reincarnate to continue working on his robot forever
>>2958338>>2958359Here's a good one for you.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Westley_NewmanThis guy pursued his invention for over 30 years without absolute certainty it was possible. He persisted in his belief that his perpetual motion machine was viable right up until his death in 2015.Please tell me your thoughts on whether he was elite or not. I actually have a few questions I'd really like to hear your thoughts on:>Do you think he was elite?>Would you think you were elite if your life went this way?>Do you believe in perpetual motion?
>>2958361I've been reading this guy for too long, because honestly, no kidding, I suspected that would be on the cards.Do you have a link/screenshot?
>>2958364https://www.eevblog.com/forum/projects/my-advanced-realistic-humanoid-robots-project/msg5668639/#msg5668639
>>2958367Thank you.>living saintYou know in a crime show, when the detective is like "I need to get off this case for a bit. I'm inside the killer's head, and it's scaring me." That's how I feel about this. I could just feel he'd be thinking something like that.Religious narcissist through and through. Interesting to read his dad agrees with us that he's a failure too.
>>2958359>and then eventually die without achieving anythingdying would fall into the same category as quitting in this case. You would no longer be an elite roboticist if you died because you are no longer holder of an elite goal and no longer making consistent progress on said goal.
>>2958359Does being elite require any skill. Well based on someone earlier in this thread saying that someone who has created a fully autonomous videogame robot does not have ANY skill in coding, then no, by that definition of skill, no skill is required. It seems the ongoing definition of skill others have in this thread is: "has to do everything inside the box, has to follow the same formatting I follow at my place of work, cannot do anything creative or diffrent than current industry standard even if it is superior than the industry standard, has to follow every protocol my place of work requires even if the way he does it is superior than the protocol I use at my place of work". Since these are the pre-requisites for someone to be considered in this thread as someone who "has skill" then no, not only is skill not required to be elite, it is not recommended and would make you mediocre if you had it.
>>2958361yes this is a viable way to extend timeline of the project that I plan to pursue. Death need not be a impediment at all IMO. If God is as awesome as I know He is, and if you are on his good side, which I assume I am, then I see no reason why he wouldn't allow for continued robotics dev in the afterlife. HOWEVER, I might find the project too boring if I was in the afterlife due to superior afterlife ways of spending one's time and so that could derail things.
>>2958363perpetual motion and free energy are scams IMO
>>2958368You assume I'm catholic which I'm not. To claim to be a Catholic Saint which is determined post mortem by vote has nothing to do with being a Biblical saint. For example, see this quote from Paul addressing many living churchmembers: Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus: --- NIV says "Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To God’s holy people in Ephesus, the faithful in Christ Jesus:" --- so a saint just means one of God's holy people living on earth. It just means a legit follower of Jesus walking the walk. Nothing narcissistic about that claim at all. It merely means you are not heading for hell to your knowledge basically.
>>2958391welp, nta but then, sorry to tell you that you are not elite. you will die before your creepy uncanny valley robot start doing your dishesyou may get to a complete shitty arm and a very creepy head like robotwaifutechnician'sit wont ever do anything more than utter a few very creepy words and bible versesfeel free to prove me wrong, but please do it before i kick the bucket - i do not believe in the afterlife, so no watching from hell for me
>>2958392open a fucking dictionnary gary and go see a shrink and take meds> inb4 im in the green circled definitionno you are notyou are not among the assholes that smokes cigars with whisky in fancy clubs to make the worldyou are at most a middle class delusional narcissist that post on a moldovan traditional cooking forum
Your dad thinks you're a failure. He sees you all the time because you live with your parents, so I don't know why I wouldn't trust him to know. You are a failure. You play daydream make believe around your dumbass narcissist fantasies to try and block thinking about that out. You have never made anything. Even your game bot "goes to another school" and we can never see anything about it.
>>2958395>Do you think he was elite?
>>2958392>someone who has created a fully autonomous videogame robotIs this a WoW bot? I remember someone mentioning you got banned from some WoW spaces. It'd be cool to hear more about this work.
>>2958523ok guys, you need to give him a breatherwe don't want him to stop or scare him awaycan we all be supportive and encouraging for a bit?OPwhat's the latest on your advancements? any big successes recently?
>>2959237>any big successes recently?Rude.
