>>2956820
Do you not have a 3d printer?

>>2956820
ive had a cheapass ender for 5 years and my prints still look like trash despite dozens of hours of troubleshooting and fucking with it
the bed isnt flat. the wheels get flats from sitting which makes lumps on the walls. and im not running a toaster element 24/7 to dry filament
get off my fucking lawn!

>>2956820
$1000 for a good one is what happened

>>2956820
It’s cheap chinese trash making cheaper, poorly designed, trashier crap made of pla plastic that melts in your car and is only one half-step up from hot melt glue. And you had to re-make it 7 times due to printer and design fuck-ups, each time taking 3 days to print not including the 3 days to dry the filament in your $1200 drying chamber which you could have made with a 60 W light bulb and cardboard box.

99% of 3D printed shit is just plastic waste trinkets and wall-hangers with only the purpose of contributing to our single use plastics problem. I've thought of less than 10 instances where I could have used a 3D printer to make something actually useful for a project, then realized I could make the same thing out of scrap metal pieces and a welder without leaving the house.

Making actually useful and long-lived parts I think requires the metal powder, laser deposition machines that cost tens or hundreds of thousands. For that I could out-source to JLC or something like that for one-offs.

I have no use for a 3d printer.

>>2956820
The "affordable" printers print weak ugly FDM plastic trash.
And if you want quality prints with better 3d printing technologies, the printers and materials get pretty expensive.

The single time I needed a 3d print, I sent it to a print shop that has an industrial SLS printer that probably costs over $200k. I do the same if I need a circuit board... I just order prints online.
>/diy/
>pay someone else do it
In this case, yes.

>>2956820
Said who? The same guys who predicted that AI would replace artists?

Can't we just ignore rage bait?

>>2956836
What is CNC?

>>2956836
I've made a decent amount of DMLS and ADAM metal 3D printed parts and it's almost never worth it. CNC is 4-5x cheaper for the same parts if its possible to make, and for more complex geometries where 3D printing is required (which is exceptionally rare and can usually be redesigned) it's better to just print it in plastic and then have it plated by places like Repliform.
The surface finish is also terrible.

3d printing is for prototyping and low volume parts, there's no point in having it in every home
normal people are better off buying cheap mass produced injection molded parts instead

>>2956836
Hah, you said exactly what i think

"But muh heckin anime sword printout from le minecraft"

It was a solution without a problem.

Anyone remember 10+ years ago when the hype was so crazy that people were imagining that even microchips could be printed, and the stock price for DDD mooned then crashed hard? lol

Not a regular here but disappointed in you guys. I just 3d printed a replacement part for a friends old deli slicer. He would have had to throw it out otherwise

>>2956829
Geez bro, can you point out on this 3D printed dolly where that mean 3D printer touched you?

I joke...because I agree 100% with what you have eloquently stated.

>>2956916
In the testicles, where all the microplastics made all three of my kids autists

>>2956867
3d printers teach you a lot about cnc

Like why you don’t want linear rails for ways

Basic gcode and why stepper motors suck fuck compared to servo motors

And how girls don’t think it’s cool that you know how to program a cnc milling machine

>>2956820
>What happened?
because no one has made a 3d printer that can be bought off the shelf, plugged in, and then just told what to print.

they all require a huge learning curve, tons of money, and an incel lifestyle to master.

I thought I would want one, but when I looked at the cost and time involved to make the things I would need, I can just buy those things from someone else who printed it.

there is nothing I REALLY need that warrants getting one.

>>2956820
there's a guy who makes anderson power pole panel mounts by printing them. they work ok but they cost at least $5 each. If the panel mounts were mass produced they'd cost maybe 50 cents. I bought some of his at a ham radio festival 10 years ago. even at the time I thought $5 was steep.

>>2956828
A Bambu lab a1 mini is under $250.
>>2956829
>>2956836
>>2957005
It’s absolutely stunning how misinformed you people are.
>>2956912
I’m not sure if this a troll thread full of samgfagging or what.

>>2957058
>A Bambu lab a1 mini is under $250
even a prusa mk4s is $660 right now if you assemble it yourself, and that's far from the cheapest good option
it's a huge step up from my ender 3 v2 which lasted with decent performance for about 3 years, and that was $200 like 5 or 6 years ago at micro center

probably is a troll thread

>>2957067
I am >>2956912 and did exactly that. I plan on shooting my ender 3 because I'm annoyed at myself for how much time I wasted trying to get it to work better.

Also who the fuck samefag or troll on this board theres nobody here

>>2956836
This x1000.

>>2956912
>I just 3d printed a replacement part for a friends old deli slicer. He would have had to throw it out otherwise

Show picture of part. I could probably have made it out of metal just as quickly and it would be way more robust.

>>2957146
No. It was the gear that bolts to the blade. It needed to be plastic. I will say he hasn't tried it yet...

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>>2956820
I used to have my own printers i3-variant, CR-10, Prusa MK3s but gave them away after getting access to better printers like the BambuLabs X1C and A1 minis at work, which I can use for personal projects (which somehow are always work related). I think 3D-printers are only worth having if one has at least minimal modeling / MCAD skills to do custom prints that are tailored to your specific needs. Printing stuff one can buy on AliXpress is a dumb use of such a cool tool..
Pic related is a dockable frame for aluminum chassis for small electronic projects that was very fun to design (I'm currently learning FreeCAD to be able to share the sources of my projects) and it's a useful, functional part that is not available to buy and is really cheap if printed yourself instead of getting them made by contract-shops like JLC. The printers are mostly useful for makers / engineers to quickly iterate through designs and maybe also for some hobbies like RC stuff but I don't see the average Joe without MCAD skills to get much use out of it. It's a prototyping machine that's too slow for mass production but really nice for one-offs or things that are too special to get made by processes like injection-molding due to the low volume or "production". I use it a ton for making drilling templates, soldering jigs, tool-holding, specialized tools, and all kinds of prototyping stuff. It's also great for making custom boxes for potting electronic modules into epoxy for high-voltage related projects. That use-case alone saved my company a ton of money and the printer payed for itself after building two devices worth of potting-boxes since we used to CNC-mill these low volume parts that were extremely expensive to make. 3D-printing is absolutely perfect for low volume, custom jobs like I do for work. I'm thinking of getting a BambuLabs H2S for home as I'm getting into some FreeCAD projects that require frequent test-prints like pic related.

>>2957158
CAD is boring and difficult and makes you see the world in flat sketches and extrusions and fillets or chamfers

3d printing colorful plastic toys is fun and exciting, you get the sword from legend of Zelda wielded by pikachu

Let them print trinkets after the first 6 months that gets boring and they have a desire to learn CAD

i know more people with 3dprinters than vr

>>2956820
Still not efficient enough

>>2956820
i dont need one, i dont even have a regular printer.
it comes down to the good ole fact that if i need something written i write it, pen on paper. if i need something made i make it. its only when you write or make the same thing multiple times in a row they make sense and even then they have to repay the rather high investment cost.
same with cnc, every machine shop was supposed to go bankrupt without one, turns out for single part making they are slower than manual machining.
>20h programming
>2h cnc machining
vs
>20h manual machining
the market of 3d printing is also oversaturated with gadget freaks who quit their job and bought top model printers thinking they can make it that way selling their crap online.

>>2957171
Printing stuff from sites like thingiverse is a great way to get beginners their first dopamine hit from using their printer that could lead to some of them to learn CAD to solve one of their problems designing something themselves. It's a bummer that FreeCAD is still a bit weird in their UI and much less intuitive to use than say Solidworks or Onshape. It's an amazing tool once you've learned its quirks but man, it had me screaming at my monitor out of confusion and indignation whenever something that takes me 5minutes turned into hours of reading bug reports and workarounds.
And don't get me started on the TNP. Resetting the names of features on changing a model is such a dumb bug / design choice, it's infuriatingly stupid and must be sabotage by some CAD-industry plant to make FreeCAD almost unusable for commercial/nontrivial work.

>>2957208
Sure but who can sustain a machine-shop doing mostly one-shot work tho? Also, programming parts with modern tools takes minutes due to most of it being automated and only need tweaking by an experienced machinist.

>>2956820
Not everybody needs 3d printed plastic items and not for the cost.

>>2956820
Is there a specific deadline on "eventually"? Each year more and more people have them. When television came out, adoption was slow but eventually everyone had one. It's crazy how modern culture demands everything happen instantaneously or it's considered a failure.
Will 3D printers eventually become as common as televisions? Probably not but the more user friendly and easy to use they become, the more common they will be. As much as people here hate Bambu, they've made printers much more normie friendly, leading to more average people having a 3D printer.

>>2957323
BambuLabs is hated here? I mean, their business practices are a bit harsh and some could say predatory but their improvements of stagnant printer designs has pushed other 3d-printer companies to innovate more so I guess their influence is good for the 3d printing community overall. Prusa got awakened from its hibernation and now bought some tool-changer tech for its next printer that should be even better than the tool-changer Bambu came up with leading to Prusa being able to compete again due to less time wasted on filament changes since their bought solution has a ptfe-tube for each tool-head unlike the tool-changer in the H2C which shares the tube and needing to cut the filament, spool is back up into the AMS, get the other color and pull that into the nozzle. So it's expected that Prusa's next tool-changer printer will at least be one of the fastest in multicolor printing so they will at least have that going for them. I doubt that their solution will be cost competitive to the Bambu-H2C if the past is an indicator for the future but time will tell I guess. There's also snap-maker, which might be the fastest of them all but is "limited" to up to 4 colors/materials, which might be a good compromise for most customers but their reputation isn't the best from past printers/quality-problems so who knows which printer is best to get.
I personally still like to print one color only and will probably get a H2S since it's just a great printer for the price (print quality got even better from using linear rails) and being able to print with such quality on the whole print bed is really nice to do batches of functional parts. I will probably even omit the AMS and just get a single dry-box for an XXL-spool (5kg..10kg) since I design parts to be printable without support-material and only functional parts.
All this competition is very good for us printer customers so I'm all for it. I'm a bit of a BambuLab printer fanboy since their printers waste less of my time.

>>2957345
Cool wall of text bro. Too bad I didn't read any of it. Next time get an ad to shill your bambilamps.

>>2957369
I couldn't hear you over the sound of your failed prints so I guess, suck my dick.

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>>2957345

I don't have hobbies that would benefit from 3d printing
those most I would get from 3d printing is a soap dish that fit my sink just right or useless mlok attachments for my rifle
it's just not worth it
if I was into table top gaming I would 3d print the shit out of some figures because fuck the prices those Jews charge

>>2957390
You have no fucking idea. I was called all kinds of things including crazy, psycho, manic, suicidal but well adjusted adult wasn't used once to describe me. Early exposure to GNU/Linux systems combined with the side-effects of the 'tism shaped me into that monster that people talk about thinking they're outside my earshot: I...is he dangerous? - No, I mean, we assume he's just crazy in a harmless, disturbing way.

>>2957394
there's a youtube guy that does table-top figures with FDM-printers and the prints looked pretty good. I guess he's using a 0,2mm nozzle. The A1 mini is under 200 bucks so a very good deal is you mainly want to print PETG and small parts.

>>2957396
cool, but I don't tabletop game

>>2956820
1. 3D printing is hard. This by itself automatically filters 99% of normies.
>but you can learn how to do the stuff, and it gets easier
Learning curve is the problem, in penetrating the masses. You can learn it. I can learn it. Other anons can learn it. People can learn it. But perceived difficulty is still going to filter most people.

2. Lack of practical application for 3D printed stuff.
>but I can totally make things I can use
Yeah, but for most people, they aren't going to have the smarts to whip up a 3D model to print to help them solve a problem they have. Let alone print out the pieces and then assemble them into a solution.

3. Injection mold plastic pieces are just better. They have stronger structural integrity, and smooth surfaces, especially on curved surfaces, compared to the line work of most 3D prints.

>>2957373
>I couldn't hear you over the sound of your failed prints so I guess, suck my dick.
Jokes on you, I don't mess with 3d printed bullshit. I just build stuff out of steel using actual fabrication techniques.

>>2957395
You sound like a run of the mill attention whore normie with main character syndrome.

>>2956820
For me its just not worth the space i'd barely use it
>>2956828
So just like a washing machine

>>2957269
Most machine shops I’ve worked in (small businesses)

We’re 1 or 2 mechanical engineers that started off as machine operators, and went back to school

Designing in house product

Then a setup guy, who also designed parts in solidworks and programmed parts - smaller items like levers, switches, cams, pins, and manufacturing the prototype products and handing off to assemblers

A 5 million revenue shop looked like this from the outside, non-description office building, 2 large bay doors, 1 receptionist, 2 assemblers, 3 dudes walking in a t shirt and jeans

Inside those bay doors non- descript gray or blue gray machines

If the brand name Chiron or deckel stickers on the outside of some large machines mean nothing to you

You have probably walked by a machine shop and didn’t know it

All the tools cutting tools etc were put away in lista boxes

Small giveaway might be an operator or two with a snap-on box as we’ve had a lot of former mechanics come in to train but that’s about it


People always assume machine shops are a nasty place with a stream of oil flowing out of a beat up old garage door, where a boomer has a horde of random shit dating back ton1918, Bridgeport, hardringe engine lathes, a lot of grinding and sparks and welding going on and hammering on random sheet metal as background noise

But that’s just shit for Hollywood


A dmg Mori has the same chime as a McDonald’s fryer when it’s done that beep beep beep sound when you put it in service mode

A lot of these machines kinda sorta look like medical equipment especially the Siemens and heidehein control stuff

>>2956820
The "modern" boom in 3D printing technology you've seen the last 12 or more years was simply because patents from the 1970s expired.

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I have one and love it, use it all the time. I have almost 10 years of professional CAD experience though, so busting out whatever I can think of is no big deal to me.

>>2956867
Concealed nunchuck carry?

>>2957681
>I have one and love it, use it all the time. I have almost 10 years of professional CAD experience though, so busting out whatever I can think of is no big deal to me.
And yet its still just plastic larping toys...

What’s the point? Even if you need a specialized plastic part you can upload a file online and have the part (at 10x quality) within two or three days. Why bother having expensive hardware like that in your home? It’s like hobby electronics.

>>2957731
Hah
Suck it
10 years worth of phone stands and anime figurines

>>2956820
Libraries have them so why build one for $300-500 when I can use one that's $3000. Last time I went I just make a case which cost not even $2 and that was about 4 years ago.

>>2957005
this guy knows.

>>2957058
buy an ad

>>2956836
What is
>design for manufacturing
You design and build things based on what your current fabrication process looks like. A 3d printer just happens to be one of the most versatile tools in the workshop. But before I got one I would make everything out of wood.

Check out what a BambuLab H2D can print in TPU. Custom bellows like this could be really nice to be able to print yourself if you're building custom CNC-machines, saving you the time and design compromises that come with sourcing off-the-shelf bellows. The second nozzle is needed to print with PLA as support material. These bellows are quite sturdy, too: https://youtu.be/UFrWfnwD3aU

>>2956820
Imagine getting filtered by CAD in year of our lord 2025 when so much resources are available for free. People just don't want to do anything anymore these days. A slightest bit of friction and they give up. It's not that 3D printing is difficult to pick up, it's that people attention spans are so cooked that if they don't get instant results they lose their minds. AI is going to make this even worse in couple of years when people are going to outsource 100% of their thinking to some LLM further decreasing attention spans to 0.

>>2958072
I have a coworker who was 100% serious when he said “why learn CAD? ChatGPT just made me a file”

Fucker doesn’t even know the difference between solids and meshes just calls everything files or models

normgroids are just so stupid that they will never understand the value in these things. you don't even need to learn CAD, there's an entire world of useful free files out there already but normies will still go down to the big box store to buy things for the rest of their life
>3d printing was supposed to be eventually in everyone's home
the only industry that wants you to have a 3d printer is the 3d printer manufacturers. every other industry hates the fact that you can 3d print your own chinkshit parts at home instead of paying extortionate markups for cheap crap. so there just isn't a mechanism to get these things into peoples homes at scale. i've never even seen a 3d printer in a shop anywhere in my country, you can only buy them online. your local big box store will probably never, ever stock these either because it immediately invalidates half the inventory of their store because you can just print the stuff they sell (chinkshit imports) at home for a fraction of the cost.

>>2957731
Meh, and yet I enjoy it just the same, besids, ASA and PA-6 get some pretty good mechanical properties. Besides, $1200 for a printer is nothing, right anon?

>>2957688
well yeah, why would you open carry nunchucks? at that point you would be better served by a staff

>>2958154
>Meh, and yet I enjoy it just the same, besids, ASA and PA-6 get some pretty good mechanical properties. Besides, $1200 for a printer is nothing, right anon?

Lol. Lmao even. Yeah $1200 really doesn't mean fuck-all in the grand scheme of things, but I'd still rather not waste it on meme 3d printers and funko pops.
I have bigger and better shit to buy. Last year I bought a Tree vertical milling machine for around $1200. That is a nice heavy chunk of metal that is actually worth the money.

>>2956838
>>2956836
>>2956829
Low iq samefags

>>2957514
You sound like you suck dick with your butthole

>>2958273
with printers you can get something usable for like $150 already, just not as braindead easy to use than the more expensive ones but still easier and less work than even simple CNC wood routing
and plastic is good enough for plenty around the shop, love my custom drawer organizers

Interesting to hear the argooments from 3dp contrarians/haters

>>2957058
Nobody’s buying into the bamboozle razor-and-blades scam with drm’ed pla spools.

>>2958306
>love my custom drawer organizers
Oh shit. How could anyone ever make some drawer organizers without their sicky dope 3D printer?

>>2957514
>>2958305
it would appear you got to him.

>>2956820
Most people are too stupid to take advantage of a 3d printer. The barrier to entry is much higher than for a paper printer (all you need to know is some basic user interface and how to use a word processor).
3d printers are more complicated and more expensive to run. But most of all, if you really want to take advantage of a 3d printer you probably need a very significant skillset in engineering as well as proficiency in 3d modelling to produce your own designs. Most people who just want to print some random object every now and then really are better off downloading a pre-made model from an online database and then getting it printed and shipped by a third party.

>>2958481
>and then getting it printed and shipped by a third party
do that like 5 times and you'll probably have spent more than the cost of a cheap printer + some filament

>>2958304
garbage FDM widget-printing enthusiast

hi lads, I'm thinking about buying 3d printer for some prototyping and making models for metal casting moulds
I am a CNC engineer, can run cad cam and shieet, I fix CNCs so I can program and build one but since now I had no use for it
what would be best one to start, preferably with bigger print volume than cheapo ones
would it be better to buy a kit or parts and try to figure everything out?
or go straight to wood router with 4th axis?
I'm leaning towards wood since this is traditional ways we've done models for moulds but at the moment we scrapped spare old machine I had unlimited access to and all others are just running at capacity, having fire and forget printer would be nice, especially if it doesn't require multiple hundreds of hours to run reliably

>>2958246
>why open carry nunchucks
Carry them on your belt so they clunk and rattle while you walk, like a windchime but retarded. Or for the more important reason: exercising 2A, no matter how ridiculously or trivially, triggers the Leftoids into seething impotent onions rage. A reward unto itself.

>>2958814
you might look into the Bambu Lab H2S. Decent size and 2 printheads give you lots of options. We got one at work and our mechanical engeneers use it for prototyping and stuff. It works quite good without preparation, compared to other consumer 3D printers. If you don't care about the china men looking into the stuff you print, you can let it go online. If you want to keep the stuff a secret, you'll have to use it offline.
At work we've got a printer - pc setup that's not part of our network because of that.

Personally I am not a big fan of the closed environment of bambu lab. Got myself a Creality k1c. Out of the box it is an ok printer. Needs some tinkering to get really good though. But you can get root access easily and install everything that you could possibly want on it.
I will not bull shit you though. Right out of the box and without many man hours of tinkering nothing beats bambu labs atm.
Just my 2 cents. I am sure other anons with more experience can tell you more.

>>2958874
thanks, bambu is over 1k GBP over here, it says its got laser and cutting option, might look into that
creality is 1/3 the price, I can afford that out of my slush fund without feeling it, I'll have to research it
I'd rather not have chinamen look into my prints, I'm doing nothing important or secret but I do have a dislike for online spying, its enough my own government is spying on me
would rather have chinamen do it from other side of the world but one government is my limit

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been printing industrial parts non stop for a project at work with a 250 USD bambu a1 mini.
.2mm tolerance and under. petg requires some tuning but pla is legitimately plug and play.
I can have a problem on monday and print the solution on tuesday. Try that with CNC and welding with 250 USD worth of equipment LMAO.
think some of you guys might just be retarded.

>>2956820
Turns out, unless all you want are articulated dragons and The Rock's face pasted onto anyhing vaguely spherical, you actually need to learn to CAD to make good use out of 3D printing. And average consumer can't be assed to learn even the literally child-friendly TinkerCad and Windows's own (no longer built in) 3D Builder. It's a tool like any other. Asking why is it that not everyone has a 3D printer is the same as asking why is it that not everyone has a welder- you need to know how to use one. Fuck, I know people who don't own a single screwdriver (they are all old and women but still).

>>2956820
Most people don't have the need to print toys.

>>2956867
> CNC
Yes, I use the 3D printer to print solid blocks of plastic, then I take them to my CNC to carve out shapes.
I film it and upload it to various social media sites to prove how much free time I have to waste, how much testosterone I have, and that I’m rich and don’t care about money. I’m getting my bambi printer gold plated and encrusted in jewels.

>>2958986
> industrial parts
> made of PLA plastic
I hope I don’t need to use this “industry” for anything.
I wouldn’t use PLA to make a butt plugg.
Which is what 99.99% of all 3D printers are used for. But I know what’s going on.
t. ups delivery guy

>>2959190
Lol I was browsing jewtube and someone posted up their top 10 3d prints. Imagine my face when they were all toys...
Inb4
>Hey man my Nintendo switch game holder that looks like a pipe from Mario is actually really useful!!!

alright you guys sold me. current ps1 sale isn't good enough, surely black friday will be better

>>2959207
if its good enough for offshore then its probably good enough for a ups guy
the guys at the test lab have been printing with mostly PLA for ages
I print robot tools on mostly PETG, some PLA where is makes sense. its just materials with different behaviours under different efforts, temps, over time
For a ups buttplug guy this might be a bit too much

>>2959225
I dont know if therell be other retailers doing surprise offers next week, but at least with bambu directly, the sale going on right now IS the black friday sale.
Makes sense imo, not putting it all out on that specific day where everyones buying all sorts of stuff. Not just because youll drown among the omnipresent wave of special offers, but also people need time to think before they get a printer.

I print items for my daughters dollhouses. They complain that they lack normal things like toilets etc. So I love adding little details like that.

>>2959204
gig eels fishing is based let me tell you that fellow do something on your own enthusiast

>>2958986
>>2959207
He's printing prototypes before sending them for production, I hope at least because that part geometry makes no sense for 3d printing.

People don't seem to understand that ribs and lightening cutouts make 3d printed parts weaker.

>>2959296
>lightening cutouts make 3d printed parts weaker.
No, that's wrong. The problem is that it actually wastes more material, since it means more outer shells.
Making the model solid will actually be lighter unless you use 100% infill.

>>2959296
im not sending anything anywhere
"industrial part" doesnt mean I sell my parts to any industry
I do experimental automation projects with a robot and some electronics, to increase productivity
I need quick solutions to not get bottlenecked by some tool, so I can spend more time on the IT side.
This tool in particular is more than strong enough for what it does and if it fails I have 3 backups on a shelf (a hard collision is basically impossible in the setup).
If down the line the company wants to design, cut and weld/assemble an aluminum version, its not my decision.

Regardless of strenght, it interacts with several metal parts that need easy access to bolt and unbolt if im switching tools, accessibility is the main priority of the design. 2nd priority is keeping volume down to not hit bin walls when picking (its a gripper)

That is the perfect use case for 3d printing that i am defending against the morons in this thread saying its for toys, or those who say there are no plug and play printers (LMAO)

That being said I have little exp with 3dprinting so Im interested to know, if anyone have the expertise, how you would design it.

>>2959308
>That being said I have little exp with 3dprinting so Im interested to know, if anyone have the expertise, how you would design it.
this is a pretty good article, going over important part design choices:
https://blog.rahix.de/design-for-3d-printing/

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>>2959308

I want to use my printer to build some tools for my hobby workshop. I'm building a helping hand for soldering and after that I'll do a fume extractor with a printed case and old PC fan. Do you have any ideas for similar projects?

>>2959467
i very much appreciate the gridfinity oganizers
https://gridfinity.xyz/catalog/

>>2956820
One guy bought one good printer and prints for 5 others.

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All you 3d printer guys have printed this amazing plant watering gizmo right?

>>2959506
No, I'd be worried about sensitive plants parts getting exposed to lead traces from the nozzle and bacteria growing in the recesses.

>>2959488
Thanks, looks like it could be useful.

>>2959225
The p1s is 46% off and that’s not enough for you? The Black Friday sale is happening now. Those are the same prices. Sorry but they aren’t going to mark it down to a negative and pay you to buy one.

I’m assuming you’re trolling but in case you aren’t, I wouldn’t buy directly from Bambu. Find a retailer like Best Buy or micro center.

>>2959584
>I wouldn’t buy directly from Bambu. Find a retailer like Best Buy or micro center.
why?
i woulda bought it already i'm just waiting for an email response to clarrify i don't need to buy a filament buffer seperately with the combo. for some reason the ams2 combo has a 'add on buffer' option and i'm just verifying

>>2959584
>>2959593
included in my
>why?
the add on offers current from bambu are very generous, getting reduced price filament and vibration absorbers, etc

>>2959593
Because you’re at the mercy of the meth heads at fed ex. If you roll up to Best Buy and your printer looks like it was run through a chipper shredder, you can return it right there or just refuse to pick it up. You get it from bambu and you’re going to have to start a claim ticket, wait to get a response, get the go ahead to ship back, wait till they receive it and hope there’s no hiccups. If you’re serious I would go check out the bumbu lab subreddit. You’ll see people stuck in limbo on claim tickets or their returned printers lost by the carrier and Bambu not responding. They’re top notch printers but hit or miss on customer service from what I’ve heard. Your money, your call.

>>2959608
>>2959593

Also to add I have three a1’s. First one bought from micro center in St. Louis. It’s a two hour drive but Best Buy wasn’t carrying them at the time. Got my last two at Best Buy. Micro center stocks them but Best Buy (at least mine) you have to order. You can get extended warranty with both. I just would never trust a machine that delicate to be delivered to me when I can’t refuse it no matter the condition it’s in. Plus I’ve had fed ex do about a 40% accuracy rate on delivering to my address and not another house, in two separate cities in two separate counties. Fuck that.

>>2959308
Treat 3d prints like they're a hollow shell casting, all of the strength is in the outside surface and only in the horizontal direction. There is basically no strength between the layers so avoid any sort of vertical cantilever. If you need vertical cantilevers then design the part to be made from multiple pieces that will be printed horizontally and assemble them together. If your goal is to make impressive looking things for your boss that doesn't know fuck all about 3d printing then ignore what I just said and cotinue as usual.

>>2959308
In all fairness, they are plug and play till they’re not. Yeah, my a1’s all spit out the benchy after being assembled and powered on. Still I’ve encountered problems I’ve had to troubleshoot and am still tinkering to get the results I want. This is extremely typical as you start to print more than trinkets. . Some people have incredible difficulty for a variety of reasons. There’s many moving parts between software, hardware, filament, and environment in addition to the fact it’s a new technology as far as being widely available to people with varying degrees of technical skill.

It isn’t a toaster. That being said, I’m finding success and I’m printing molds with very little technical ability, so yes those people are still wrong.

>>2956820
Because normal's would rather pay Amazog $5 for a widget with next day delivery than buy and learn how to use a printer.

>>2959763
You are not allowed to use “normal” that is our word. Not even when singing along your favourite rap song. But you can use normie.

>>2956829
This, the only good prints come from resin which is messy and emits toxic fumes.

>>2956820
Most people used to have their own printers, they can print their own info flyers, that's dangerous, so first they make printers print tracking dots (https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1hp4422/whats_the_consensus_on_yellow_tracking_dots_from/) and then they just make it prohibitively expensive for normies to own printers in the first place, cause hey, you could just use printshops, which usually don't accept cash now. Thinking about getting a typewriter IF I can easily /diy/ it os that the distance between keys can be changed easily.

>>2959850
Not all printers have these dots fyi.

>>2959506
Buddy, you know that the guys from BambuLab look at all the files people print through their cloud service, right? Then again, a butt-plug that allows farts to escape is actually a clever design with practical purposes, which I respect. I would consider 3d-printed toys like that more or less a one-use toy since these are not good for prolonged use due to them not having smooth surfaces that can be cleaned easily.

One could imagine that butt-plugs with integrated whistles could also be useful to be able to identify which of the dogs let one rip while looking all smug or innocent. It should be a parametric design to be change the pitch of these whistles to make it easy to identify the evil brapper.

>>2959488
Gridfinity is really nice! I use them to organize screws and all kinds of bits and bobs. I should take time to print some gridfinity based organizers for the small things in my bathroom to keep things more tight. So funny how I can either completely ignore organization of my stuff or go full ham, full tism on it. There's no in between.

>>2956820
Ahh, I can't decide!!! I'll have access to an H2D at work soonish but I also want a Bambu-printer at home so I don't have to leave my room to prototype things but I can't decide whether I should go for a A1 mini (which we already have two of at work) or whether I should just get a H2S at home so I have access to all three kinds of Bambu-Printers to be ready for anything! I don't have access to an H2C but multiple color printing isn't that interesting and I use only 0.4mm nozzles so the tool-changer is more or less useless for my use-case.
The H2S has the largest bed-size of the Bambu-printers and it is supposed to be better at printing single technical filaments / TPU than the H2D....
I guess getting a H2S makes the most sense for my particular situation since I really like enclosed printers and being able to mess with high temp filament is very tempting for some of my planned projects. I want to be more fiscally responsible but 3d modeling and 3d printing is so fucking useful and fun... ah, fuck it, 1k is a steal for such a reliable printer!

>>2960460
>Buddy, you know that the guys from BambuLab look at all the files people print through their cloud service, right? Then again, a butt-plug that allows farts to escape is actually a clever design with practical purposes, which I respect. I would consider 3d-printed toys like that more or less a one-use toy since these are not good for prolonged use due to them not having smooth surfaces that can be cleaned easily.
>One could imagine that butt-plugs with integrated whistles could also be useful to be able to identify which of the dogs let one rip while looking all smug or innocent. It should be a parametric design to be change the pitch of these whistles to make it easy to identify the evil brapper.

Dude, I just want to water my plants...

>>2960475
Sorry bud, I can finally post again after getting range-banned for like a weak so I needed to post something funny.
Also, yeah, sure, buddy, your "device" to "watering" "plants" does look exactly like a butt-plug "by accident". Yes, yes, yes, I believe you!
What's next, you need a soap dispenser that somehow looks like exactly like a dildo with lube-channels and heating elements inside?
Keep it up, bro, I really like your butt-plug with flatulence escape vents and hiding that nefarious design as an innocent "plant watering device" is also genius! I'm humbled. I'm in awe. Keep being freaky, my dude!

>>2956820
Most homes have no need for a 3d printer. It would be lame and gay if everyone had the same hobbies and crafts. As a carpenter and gardener I really do not need a 3d printer in my life, I have too much other stuff going on. I suspect most people feel the same way.

>>2960479
>Sorry bud, I can finally post again after getting range-banned for like a weak so I needed to post something funny.
>Also, yeah, sure, buddy, your "device" to "watering" "plants" does look exactly like a butt-plug "by accident". Yes, yes, yes, I believe you!
>What's next, you need a soap dispenser that somehow looks like exactly like a dildo with lube-channels and heating elements inside?
>Keep it up, bro, I really like your butt-plug with flatulence escape vents and hiding that nefarious design as an innocent "plant watering device" is also genius! I'm humbled. I'm in awe. Keep being freaky, my dude!
Lol. I got that picture off of a 3d printing video on jewtoob.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3tVX5hcIM8k

>>2956820
>3d printing was supposed to be eventually in everyone's home.
That was only a pipe dream. Most homes don't even have a paper printer.

>>2958519
Last week I printed 41 new valves for a 100 year old accordion with a total design and print time of 4 hours and total material cost of $5. Works flawlessly. But please tell me how youd make them all out of steel instead.

>>2958438
Post pictures of your vacuum form set up and total cost.

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>>2956820
I'll bite. If it's for making something like a storage container or a knickknack it's cheaper to buy something injection molded. Some people will enjoy the process of making it, others just want the end product.
So the real value is if you need to make something where you can't buy it. There's a chance you might find it on one of the those filesharing websites, but a lot of times you won't find it and need to know CAD / understand at least a few basics of design for 3D printing, which is a steep barrier to entry for a lot of people.
For example I was able to print replacement drawer for one of my 50 year old drawer bins that got broken (pic related).
I hear everyone talking about how great Prusa and Bambu is, but I get just fine results with my $300 AnyCubic FDM.
Also it's fun for metal casting (see next pic)

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>>2960938
picrelated

>>2960938
To clarify: useful for making a replacement storage bin when one breaks or an odd-sized holder every now and them, but you'd be better off just buyfagging if you are going to print 100 of those.

>>2956824
anon the ender 3 is fucking terrible. just upgrade. newer versions of the ender are like 100 bucks. core xy printers go for like 180-250. it's not some crazy expensive thing.

>>2960460
that's disgusting and if you don't want farts to escape why are you calling it a clever design
i don't think your cavities are supposed to be kept open like that there is a risk of infection

>>2960788
>Post pictures of your vacuum form set up and total cost.
>Implying they need to be made from plastic bullshit...
Anon.

>>2961094
Retarded or trolling. The debate rages on.

>>2961211
>Retarded or trolling. The debate rages on.
You ever hear of wood-working, or metal fabrication? Or is everything 3d printed in your world?

Your average person doesn't have the vision, technical skill, or motivation to take advantage of a 3D printer, which when you think about it is a personal desktop foundry. That's why most people that have them stop using them after printing nickel toys for a few months. You need to learn real CAD, not tinkercad, you need imagination to supply solutions to problems, and you need to be disciplined enough to sit down and learn a skill and finish your projects. That rules out like what, 99% of the population?

>>2961220
correct
i'm like nearly that 1% and insist on having a printer and try to do these things but perpetually get burned out trying to CAD my imagined solutions
it's a frustrating skill issue, i know what can be done
just bought a new bambu to upgrade from my shit ass crealty to hope that'll inspire me to design better

>>2956820
because CAD is for fucking nerds

>>2956820
Most people are too stupid to make good use of one.

>>2956836
You're looking at the wrong filaments if you think there's nothing strong and useful to be made. TPU is exceptionally tough, and the firmer TPU can serve as soft structure. I've made a couple of RC airplanes from tougher variants of PLA. The only thing keeping you from finding uses is a lack of research and imagination.

>>2957396
>prints looked pretty good
YT video quality would not allow you to tell. And if it's the guy I'm thinking of, his figures are shit compared to even the low end resin printers.

With table top, you want something that will look good at table distance. FDM fails this.

>>2956820
most people don't have a use for 3d printers. it's pretty much just warhammer type stuff and people making toys at this point. it's like people are trying to find reasons for people to own these.
for me, i can already make shit out of durable materials, what reason could i have to make it out of plastic that will certainly break? if it was even a little bit easier than just grinding and welding or cutting and gluing i would consider it, but it isn't.

>>2961248
Same. There are some legit use cases for 3d printing, but like you said most people don't have a real reason to own one and just want to print toys... I did recently order a couple of 3d printed lumbar knobs for a pickup I'm working on. They were a somewhat rare knob and some guy had them for sale on e-bay. Worth it to pay him and not have to own a damn 3d printer.

I feel similarly about cnc plasma cutters too. Quite a few people buy them and just shit out "metal art" that is common as the day is long... I can see how they could be useful if you got good at drafting stuff and could crank out parts quickly, but for me I'd rather run into town and pay the man to do it for me than have a cnc plasma taking up room in my shop. In all my years of fabbing and repairing stuff on the farm. I've had exactly one time where it made sense to run in there and have him cut some parts for me. It was an unobtanium locking spindle washer for Michigan 35aws loaders. (Odd shape, lots of tangs on the outside and one tang in the middle to fit a keyway) I have 3 of those loaders and had him run a batch of 25 of them or something like that. Shouldn't ever run out of those again in my lifetime.

Every other time I have needed a part it's easier to fab it myself using common steel stock and standard fabrication techniques.

>>2961248
One cool thing insaw was custom printing enclosures so ypu can rack mount stuff for your home lab. Like rack mount your cable modem and have the ports wrap around to the front panel

>>2961219
So, both? Glad we got that cleared up.

>>2961358
>Drawer organizers can only be 3d printed or vacuum formed plastic.
Ok, keep believing that if you must.

>>2961248
Agreed. It's a prototyping tool to test out designs before committing to more durable/expensive materials and for light use jigs to help in electronics assembly or similar uses. Getting all the knick-knack printer users onboard is still good as it brings down printer prices for the engineers/creatives. Owning a 3d printer without MCAD or sculpting skills is probably not worth it but it's a free country and separating fools from their money keeps the economy rolling so more power to them.

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The most useful things I've made:
m12 and m18 tool and battery mounts for my work truck, everyone that sees the wall is jealous
desk headphone stand, clamp cup holder
workstation organizers
pretty cool magnetic, modular gun stock for vr controllers
lifts for aquarium lights and plants, floater rings
pic related. these simple outline arts are cool SPARINGLY
the articulating toys have been a hit with the kids in the family
made a neat, folding and portable chess board with magnetic and unique pieces
I found some puzzle cylinders you can put money in and gift to young-ins and they'll spend hours trying to figure it out
various clips, knobs, spacers, mounts with specific use cases I could just knock out in 20m
I LOVE having it. getting better at designing just increases usecases
you can make them crazy strong, water proof, pretty.
it takes a type of person I guess
but with the A1 literally being on sale for like <$300... that's a cheap investment for the possibilitiess

I got the p1s on sale, very happy with it. Today I made a macro pad, hopefully I'll make a full split keyboard soon. I'm also learning soldering, without the printer I was much more limited in what projects I could do.

I think 3d printers should be in everyone's place of work. I have lots of uses for it at work, so we're thinking about getting one - I can't imagine my boss would be mad if I printed something for home on it, if anything that'd just help me learn how to use it for work applications.

Never got into it but was always curious. I knew that in the last couple years there were extremely advanced metal printers and I’ve seen all sorts of gadgets posted by hobbyists. But where I work now my boss has one and has been working with them for years. From what I can see they suck. I assumed if your dimensions were correct and you prototyped a few pieces you essentially pressed a button and it spit out what you wanted. Nope. You end up playing a back and forth between the dimensions you need and the variability of the material / extrusion. Then once you find a sweet spot you get a spiderweb of unfinished parts that you dedicate many hours to preparing by hand before you can install them. A simple shield plate covering for a heat intensive application ended up costing about 25 hours of time in prototyping and material research then a further 10 minutes per part of post-print prep work for each cover (about the size of a BIC lighter). Not to mention all the print time. Maybe this isn’t the best implementation of 3D printing, maybe my boss just sucks at R&D, and yeah it probably was cheaper than ordering from a Chinese sweatshop. But overall not very impressive

>>2961925
I might have been wrong about 3d printers not being worth it without MCAD skills. I've been browsing Makerworld for a while and I really like the gridfinity ecosystem for organizing/storing small parts.

>>2962754
Whyatt? Your experience is very different from mine but I'm good at modeling and we have Bambulab printers that are fool-proof (mostly) to use. I don't have any experience with heat resistant materials tho, since we mostly prototype assemblies that don't get hot. I usually make small prints to iterate through critical design features quickly and needing 25h to design anything that small sounds excessive and still part of the learning process than someone experienced doing the design work.
The main advantage for me is getting soldering jigs and other custom tools without having to deal with our machinists, who need too much hand-holding to make anything useful so having access to reliable printers is a god-send for anti-social assholes like me. I fucking love working with robots.

>>2956820
As someone who regularly invents with 3D printing and knows people who have 3D printers but doesn't use them, the answers are
1. 3D printers are still finicky. Multiple times my 3D printer broke, and I had to troubleshoot and test. If me, a technical guy has frustrating levels of trouble, imagine a more normie guy/girl
2. Not much to print if you don't have a hobby that can benefit from it.

>>2962754
Imagine a spectrum where one end was printers brands that require tinkering and expertise to get to work which the user doesn't have, and the other end user error. Your boss is somewhere on that spectrum.

>>2962809
>>2962818
It’s a BambuLab X-1 Carbon. Polycarbonate material in this case. It has to accommodate a moving part and also be temperature resistant. that factored into the process probably complicated things a lot. I’d love to witness an application where itjustworks

>>2962827
>x-1
Yeah, your boss is fucking bottomed out on the user error end of the spectrum.

>>2962842
I think he should have gone for a H2D if printing engineering material was his use case due to their active temperature control of the chamber (with active heater). His boss was probably having issues with the part warping or having issues from not having dried the filament prior to printing, mayhaps? Even a H2S would have been a better choice for comparable cost compared to the X1C. The X1C is still great for PETG prints but it is certainly showing its age compared to the H2-series since it was their first printer design and their design team has learned a lot since then.

If I needed accurate, high temp parts I would have gotten myself a Formlabs printer and some of their high temp resins.

I love FDM printing in PETG due to the ease of use and lack of post processing but one has to know the limitation of the materials and method of manufacturing that fits the use-case.

I tried doing a little biz for 3d printing but people always want $10 pieces and j kind of dont want to do it

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>>2962906
I think there might be some money to be made with 3D-printers but it's probably more as a service that requires a printer like teaching people MCAD for 3D-printing or having a design service for people who want custom designs to print themselves but don't want to design it themselves and you need a printer to show that your designs work.
I also wouldn't bother with customers that are unlikely to be return customers, since they are often very stingy (they don't save money by buying your printed parts to sell them later) and they don't have a continuous string of business that needs printed parts like other companies. Look for opportunities that require either personalized / slightly modified parts. One nice application is organization of tools and you may gain a future customer by helping some chaotic shop to straighten their shit out by making them gridfinity-based organizers for their tools etc..
I'm really astonished that many companies that build products don't invest in tool organization and the employees themselves would never sacrifice their own time to organize their own workplace so they keep stumbling over their own feet for years by just tossing tools into drawers and take forever to find the right tools the next time they need some.
Pic. related is my tool-cart with tools I frequently need. I really hate working with drawers since I want to be able to grab each tool without opening/closing drawers and I don't have one fixed workbench so a cart like this makes more sense to save lugging around tools and to know exactly where each tool is located. Tools I need like once a year are less organized but the tools I need multiple times a day have to be easy to locate since nothing is more infuriating than wasting time on getting the right tool.

>>2963317
there's like no profit in printing as a diyer, print farms do it so cheaply
the profit is entirely in design, and yeah absolutely if you made an educational course on using design tools there's a market for that

>>2963403
>there's like no profit in printing as a diyer
like i print tool/battery mounts for coworkers and charge like $5/ea which is the same price buying online
they don't know how to use the internet, I just do it out off comroderie
it's hardly worth it. a decent tool mount takes so many walls to maintain rigidity, a spool might make 12 proper m18 battery mounts
i could probably optimize it better
which is $60, 1/3 goes to filament cost. then there's electricity, time, fucks

>>2956824
you can dry filament with a air tight bucket, some desiccant and just time, this is what I do for storage, and there are very few filament types that would shit the bed while printing from moisture in the air, almost everything you can get you can print the whole roll before it would need to be re dried.

>>2956838
for me I just look at it as an extension of other hobbies that are most costly to buy than print.

I sculpt, I would like printed figures of what I make so I can paint them, a 3d printer at home may print a figure about as fast as it would take me to model another one.

I just went to a website to just see what something would cost, for me it would cost around 270$ for a single 5$ print, this was on the bigger side of what I would print, but at this point printer and print myself is cheaper.

>>2960639
if it works it works, if steel would work better, well, most likely aluminum, id send out an order to someone with a some cnc to get a more permanent solution.

>>2957008
tooling for mass production costs ballpark 2000-5000$ for about hand sized things molds, with a 2500$ injection mold by hand thing... not saying its not possible to do, but the start up costs for this is quite high and in a niche, it is what it is, not worth the cost to get into mass production.

>>2957268
there any good cad programs I can run locally on my own computer? I cant remember what I used to make my first 3d thing but it took about 3 hours of inputting exact dimensions to get the what I want, effectively a cone with the top chopped off, and 2 internal ledges so it sits on a thing and self levels, shit was a fucking nightmare to do, and I see things like inventor, that looks like it would have been really fun and somewhat easy but not worth a 5k licence.

I know there are web based apps for this that are good and free, but I want to learn something and not have it change on me with an update if I don't want to update.

>>2959208
depending on the person, they care about aesthetics and like it, personally, I like painting models, so a 3d printer after a few prints effectively pays for itself.

>>2960496
small clip breaks in something, the replacement part is 65$.

I know its not everyone, but this is one thing that I had to print, and over time, crap adds up to be a net neutral on stuff I would have had to buy anyway.

>>2963906
If a small clip is breaking, or even the first time it breaks, the next replacement I make is going to be made out of metal.

>>2962810
> Multiple times my 3D printer broke
Buy another 3D printer to print the broken part on the broken one.
As long as one of the two is working.
Actually, for proper redundancy, you shoukd probably get a 3rd printer.

I've had a couple of Ender 3's for years now and I find that they work great. I do a lot of electronics design, so I am always needing a custom box to house some PCBs, buttons, LEDs, etc, and it would have cost me a literal fortune to custome order that shit; especially considering that it usually takes me a couple of revisions to get it just right.

Besides electronics enclosures, I print all kinds of other shit either to fix something around here, or just to have something like a custom tap handle.

Over the years, I spent a few hundred dollars on the machines and a couple of replacement nozzles, and I have probably made $10k worth of working stuff. Just learn the basics of how to design a part so there isn't any overhangs and print everything with PETG and you are good to go. I literally can't imagine where I would be without these printers.

>>2964022
its a part that allows one of the trays to go in and out... it seems its effectively a part that's built to fail, and realistically, it would cost more to manufacture a metal one that this part should fail.

I think it was ultimately replaced 3 times, which comes in at borderline the cost to have it made of metal

but it's not just that, there are quite a few 'buy a new one' pieces of plastic that have failed that have gotten printed over the years, and this is removing 3d art as my hobby, the cost of the printer + has been justified in that crap alone.

I honestly don't think most homes justify a 3d printer, or at least a high end one. there are a crap load of little things that people would end up paying 3-10$ for a 3d printer would just make, like lets say a cable holder, something that would mount to a coffee table or a wall to hold a cable. makes all the usb cables we need for charging shit manageable or even look nice. you can buy a pack of these for around 10$ and have to now store all the unused ones, or just print what you need,

you also have small thing organization, there are systems you can print that effectively turn anything into small parts storage.

on the usb cables, clean ways to wrap cables. I think velcro ties are nice for quick and dirty, but you could print 2 flower cable holders which would look nicer and keep things a bit more orgainized.

I mean yes, cheap chinese shit would be higher quality, but you would need to buy an excess of what you need. and over the lifetime of the printer, would likely save money if the printer was cheap enough.

one day we may get there.

>>2964154
> into small parts storage.
I’ve seen a few videos on that. It’s a meme.
Sone of them do the math, and the plastic filament cost alone was over double the cost of mass produced injection molded tray/drawer which was also of higher quality in both durability and surface finish.

>>2964154
Like you said, velcro ties work just as well. For more permanent installs, I'd rather just use cable trunking.

I struggle to think of a single situation in which 3D printing is useful. Prototyping work for something you want to sell, maybe. But once you factor in the time wasted 3D modelling a few iterations, you would've been better off just modifying an off the shelf component. In the time it takes to print something you could just have shaped a piece of wood with a file.

If I was going to buy something, it'd probably be a laser cutter. If I really needed a 3D print, I can wait a week for some guy in China to make it for me on a resin printer.

>>2964338
it fully depends on what you do, if you print a full enclosure and then fill it with drawers, yea that's going to be less efficient.

but lets take something like the harbor freight small toolboxes, for reference U.S. GENERAL Mini Steel Toolbox, and they print custom fitting storage sections, kinda want to do that myself but the hf near me runs out of stock on those every time I go in to get one.

here, let me give an example for my use case, I do soldering on micro controllers I need flux, solder, and 3 tips, my current method to do this is I believe a home depot hdx small parts box that comes in 2's and can be put together to be one bigger tool box. I need to detach the soldering stuff, and then have a relatively large box open or near me while i'm doing the soldering, meanwhile I could print off 3 parts trays to hold the different things and just take them instead.

finish surface quality... thats shit that doesn't matter, quality... depends on what you do, cost wise, looking up hdx I mentioned, you would need about 30$ of filament to print a carbon copy of it, and it costs 10$. I have quite a few small parts containers before I got a 3d printer, so some things its just hard to justify printing one, but for me, I would personally remove all of the internal separation stuff, and print out a base to put part holders in, print out the part holder containers, and then in a flexible filament, print out a gasket for the top so when its closed it fits snug and nothing can become disorganized.

personally I think 3d printing entire containers like that, is a waste of filament, however the internal organization, that's where I think 3d printers shine. especially if you know how to make something custom. when you start talking about custom parts, pretty much every way to do it without a 3d printer is a bitch to do, or requires more money than filament costs for someone to do it for you.

>>2964393
resin is never really great for 3d prints, unless they are using some actually expensive resin I dont think anything you can get your hands on for under 1000$ per liter gives a production viable part

as for 3d modeling, that entirely depends, the cable flower would be a circle, edges chamfered so there is nothing sharp, and 4-8 holes in it depending on cable size, print off 2 of these, likely under 5 minutes including warm up time, and you have a storage solution that will make it so usb cables under 10 feet wont tangle up its possible to use two velcro straps for this but for an end user if you just want to plug in one end and plug the other end in, undoing the velcro at 2 ends to get enough cable its alot more of a hassle than pulling 1 end out on each side and then doing it again. for permanent installation, yea, cable trunking would be for the best, however im a home user with family who refuses to do anything besides tie up cables. I mean holy shit it took me about 2 hours one day to un fuck their tv cable situation with velcro straps and then effectively turning into a clean well managed server rack style of dealing with cables.

this is largely where my argument for home printers is, a fuckload of small things that would be nice to have, but not worth the cost, they have tv remotes, a remote mount gets them nice and cleanly put away near by them, tvs dont come with hardware like this, and if you wanted to buy it from a store would likely cost in the neighborhood of 10$ and be a universal mount that never holds it quite right.

just think about how many small things you may want, but its not worth the cost to get or hassle to make, I think most apartments or homes could probably come up with around 10-20 things a year, innintial printer investment probably isn't worth it, but once that comes down to around 100$ for a 2x2 soda can print volume, I think that's when every home will have one just for convince items alone.

>>2964546
>just think about how many small things you may want, but its not worth the cost to get or hassle to make
I can buy shit from China shipped in a week for comically low prices. Remote mounts? They're about a dollar, same with the more useful magnetic mounting solutions that you couldn't print anyway. If something doesn't fit in a slot, foam is the solution, not making another one 1mm smaller for the perfect slide.

>the cable flower
Again, you can buy cable clips in a dozen different styles for under a dollar. The 3D printer is a solution looking for a problem, and it's rarely a decent option. A while back, the plastic mounting brackets on some of my fridge shelves broke. I could've maybe 3D printed an exact replacement part after modelling the broken segment, and then epoxied it in place, or if I had a massive 3D printer maybe I could've remade the whole shelf. Instead I just used a metal bracket and a couple of bolts, and that solution is ugly, but has been rock solid. If you care about form over function, maybe a 3D printer is useful for printing decoration.

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>let me spend 4 hours in CAD designing a part that eats up 3 dollars in filament to print for 8 hours that I can just buy on Amazon for .50 cents

>>2964562
>Again, you can buy cable clips in a dozen different styles for under a dollar. The 3D printer is a solution looking for a problem, and it's rarely a decent option. A while back, the plastic mounting brackets on some of my fridge shelves broke. I could've maybe 3D printed an exact replacement part after modelling the broken segment, and then epoxied it in place, or if I had a massive 3D printer maybe I could've remade the whole shelf. Instead I just used a metal bracket and a couple of bolts, and that solution is ugly, but has been rock solid. If you care about form over function, maybe a 3D printer is useful for printing decoration.
Now imagine you have a shop full of metalworking or woodworking tools. The appeal of a 3d printer gets even smaller when you have all the tools and materials to make something better and sometimes faster and cheaper.

>>2956820
What's the best software for modeling a 3d prints?
Preferably free and not on the cloud.

>>2961248
I don't have space for welding/metal working
So I have to do everything with 3d printer

>>2964546
>>2964562
>>2964658
>>2964660

Dood. It's fine that 3D printing isn't right for you. That doesn't mean it's wrong for EVERYBODY. It's just wrong for you.

It's okay that other people exist in this world, even if they don't share your exact values or aesthetics.

Personally, 3D printing has worked out great for me. I paid for the cost of both of my printers in a matter of weeks by printing some tap handles for a local brewer. Since then I provided that brewer with the Gcode file and they went out and bought a couple of Ender 3's as well. Now, they print their own handles for about the same price that they were getting them from China to begin with, but they don't have to wait 5-6 weeks for delivery, they can print one-offs in different colors, the 3D printed version is *at least* as strong as the ones they were getting from China, and they can start printing today and have at least some handles going out the door today to their best customers.

It was a wise business move for them to move production back to the states, specifically in the same zip code that they are located. It gives them the freedom to make smaller orders. It is the same or better quality. And it was a project that bought my first two printers and made me more money than that before I just gave them the Gcode file.

Seriously, just because you haven't found a good use case for 3D printing yet doesn't mean they aren't out there. You just haven't found one yet.

>>2956824
What you have is a mixture of a skill issue and a being a cheapskate issue.