>>2956820
Do you not have a 3d printer?

>>2956820
ive had a cheapass ender for 5 years and my prints still look like trash despite dozens of hours of troubleshooting and fucking with it
the bed isnt flat. the wheels get flats from sitting which makes lumps on the walls. and im not running a toaster element 24/7 to dry filament
get off my fucking lawn!

>>2956820
$1000 for a good one is what happened

>>2956820
It’s cheap chinese trash making cheaper, poorly designed, trashier crap made of pla plastic that melts in your car and is only one half-step up from hot melt glue. And you had to re-make it 7 times due to printer and design fuck-ups, each time taking 3 days to print not including the 3 days to dry the filament in your $1200 drying chamber which you could have made with a 60 W light bulb and cardboard box.

99% of 3D printed shit is just plastic waste trinkets and wall-hangers with only the purpose of contributing to our single use plastics problem. I've thought of less than 10 instances where I could have used a 3D printer to make something actually useful for a project, then realized I could make the same thing out of scrap metal pieces and a welder without leaving the house.

Making actually useful and long-lived parts I think requires the metal powder, laser deposition machines that cost tens or hundreds of thousands. For that I could out-source to JLC or something like that for one-offs.

I have no use for a 3d printer.

>>2956820
The "affordable" printers print weak ugly FDM plastic trash.
And if you want quality prints with better 3d printing technologies, the printers and materials get pretty expensive.

The single time I needed a 3d print, I sent it to a print shop that has an industrial SLS printer that probably costs over $200k. I do the same if I need a circuit board... I just order prints online.
>/diy/
>pay someone else do it
In this case, yes.

>>2956820
Said who? The same guys who predicted that AI would replace artists?

Can't we just ignore rage bait?

south east USA made that claim pushed the idea and built in the infastructure, brown copper theifs steal more than materials they take dreams. segregation today tomorrow end the blood shed.

>>2956836
What is CNC?

>>2956836
I've made a decent amount of DMLS and ADAM metal 3D printed parts and it's almost never worth it. CNC is 4-5x cheaper for the same parts if its possible to make, and for more complex geometries where 3D printing is required (which is exceptionally rare and can usually be redesigned) it's better to just print it in plastic and then have it plated by places like Repliform.
The surface finish is also terrible.

3d printing is for prototyping and low volume parts, there's no point in having it in every home
normal people are better off buying cheap mass produced injection molded parts instead

>>2956836
Hah, you said exactly what i think

"But muh heckin anime sword printout from le minecraft"

It was a solution without a problem.

Anyone remember 10+ years ago when the hype was so crazy that people were imagining that even microchips could be printed, and the stock price for DDD mooned then crashed hard? lol

Not a regular here but disappointed in you guys. I just 3d printed a replacement part for a friends old deli slicer. He would have had to throw it out otherwise

>>2956829
Geez bro, can you point out on this 3D printed dolly where that mean 3D printer touched you?

I joke...because I agree 100% with what you have eloquently stated.

>>2956916
In the testicles, where all the microplastics made all three of my kids autists

>>2956867
3d printers teach you a lot about cnc

Like why you don’t want linear rails for ways

Basic gcode and why stepper motors suck fuck compared to servo motors

And how girls don’t think it’s cool that you know how to program a cnc milling machine

>>2956820
>What happened?
because no one has made a 3d printer that can be bought off the shelf, plugged in, and then just told what to print.

they all require a huge learning curve, tons of money, and an incel lifestyle to master.

I thought I would want one, but when I looked at the cost and time involved to make the things I would need, I can just buy those things from someone else who printed it.

there is nothing I REALLY need that warrants getting one.

>>2956820
there's a guy who makes anderson power pole panel mounts by printing them. they work ok but they cost at least $5 each. If the panel mounts were mass produced they'd cost maybe 50 cents. I bought some of his at a ham radio festival 10 years ago. even at the time I thought $5 was steep.

>>2956828
A Bambu lab a1 mini is under $250.
>>2956829
>>2956836
>>2957005
It’s absolutely stunning how misinformed you people are.
>>2956912
I’m not sure if this a troll thread full of samgfagging or what.

>>2957058
>A Bambu lab a1 mini is under $250
even a prusa mk4s is $660 right now if you assemble it yourself, and that's far from the cheapest good option
it's a huge step up from my ender 3 v2 which lasted with decent performance for about 3 years, and that was $200 like 5 or 6 years ago at micro center

probably is a troll thread

>>2957067
I am >>2956912 and did exactly that. I plan on shooting my ender 3 because I'm annoyed at myself for how much time I wasted trying to get it to work better.

Also who the fuck samefag or troll on this board theres nobody here

>>2956836
This x1000.

>>2956912
>I just 3d printed a replacement part for a friends old deli slicer. He would have had to throw it out otherwise

Show picture of part. I could probably have made it out of metal just as quickly and it would be way more robust.

>>2957146
No. It was the gear that bolts to the blade. It needed to be plastic. I will say he hasn't tried it yet...

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>>2956820
I used to have my own printers i3-variant, CR-10, Prusa MK3s but gave them away after getting access to better printers like the BambuLabs X1C and A1 minis at work, which I can use for personal projects (which somehow are always work related). I think 3D-printers are only worth having if one has at least minimal modeling / MCAD skills to do custom prints that are tailored to your specific needs. Printing stuff one can buy on AliXpress is a dumb use of such a cool tool..
Pic related is a dockable frame for aluminum chassis for small electronic projects that was very fun to design (I'm currently learning FreeCAD to be able to share the sources of my projects) and it's a useful, functional part that is not available to buy and is really cheap if printed yourself instead of getting them made by contract-shops like JLC. The printers are mostly useful for makers / engineers to quickly iterate through designs and maybe also for some hobbies like RC stuff but I don't see the average Joe without MCAD skills to get much use out of it. It's a prototyping machine that's too slow for mass production but really nice for one-offs or things that are too special to get made by processes like injection-molding due to the low volume or "production". I use it a ton for making drilling templates, soldering jigs, tool-holding, specialized tools, and all kinds of prototyping stuff. It's also great for making custom boxes for potting electronic modules into epoxy for high-voltage related projects. That use-case alone saved my company a ton of money and the printer payed for itself after building two devices worth of potting-boxes since we used to CNC-mill these low volume parts that were extremely expensive to make. 3D-printing is absolutely perfect for low volume, custom jobs like I do for work. I'm thinking of getting a BambuLabs H2S for home as I'm getting into some FreeCAD projects that require frequent test-prints like pic related.

>>2957158
CAD is boring and difficult and makes you see the world in flat sketches and extrusions and fillets or chamfers

3d printing colorful plastic toys is fun and exciting, you get the sword from legend of Zelda wielded by pikachu

Let them print trinkets after the first 6 months that gets boring and they have a desire to learn CAD

i know more people with 3dprinters than vr

>>2956820
Still not efficient enough

>>2956820
i dont need one, i dont even have a regular printer.
it comes down to the good ole fact that if i need something written i write it, pen on paper. if i need something made i make it. its only when you write or make the same thing multiple times in a row they make sense and even then they have to repay the rather high investment cost.
same with cnc, every machine shop was supposed to go bankrupt without one, turns out for single part making they are slower than manual machining.
>20h programming
>2h cnc machining
vs
>20h manual machining
the market of 3d printing is also oversaturated with gadget freaks who quit their job and bought top model printers thinking they can make it that way selling their crap online.

>>2957171
Printing stuff from sites like thingiverse is a great way to get beginners their first dopamine hit from using their printer that could lead to some of them to learn CAD to solve one of their problems designing something themselves. It's a bummer that FreeCAD is still a bit weird in their UI and much less intuitive to use than say Solidworks or Onshape. It's an amazing tool once you've learned its quirks but man, it had me screaming at my monitor out of confusion and indignation whenever something that takes me 5minutes turned into hours of reading bug reports and workarounds.
And don't get me started on the TNP. Resetting the names of features on changing a model is such a dumb bug / design choice, it's infuriatingly stupid and must be sabotage by some CAD-industry plant to make FreeCAD almost unusable for commercial/nontrivial work.

>>2957208
Sure but who can sustain a machine-shop doing mostly one-shot work tho? Also, programming parts with modern tools takes minutes due to most of it being automated and only need tweaking by an experienced machinist.

>>2956820
Not everybody needs 3d printed plastic items and not for the cost.

>>2956820
Is there a specific deadline on "eventually"? Each year more and more people have them. When television came out, adoption was slow but eventually everyone had one. It's crazy how modern culture demands everything happen instantaneously or it's considered a failure.
Will 3D printers eventually become as common as televisions? Probably not but the more user friendly and easy to use they become, the more common they will be. As much as people here hate Bambu, they've made printers much more normie friendly, leading to more average people having a 3D printer.

>>2957323
BambuLabs is hated here? I mean, their business practices are a bit harsh and some could say predatory but their improvements of stagnant printer designs has pushed other 3d-printer companies to innovate more so I guess their influence is good for the 3d printing community overall. Prusa got awakened from its hibernation and now bought some tool-changer tech for its next printer that should be even better than the tool-changer Bambu came up with leading to Prusa being able to compete again due to less time wasted on filament changes since their bought solution has a ptfe-tube for each tool-head unlike the tool-changer in the H2C which shares the tube and needing to cut the filament, spool is back up into the AMS, get the other color and pull that into the nozzle. So it's expected that Prusa's next tool-changer printer will at least be one of the fastest in multicolor printing so they will at least have that going for them. I doubt that their solution will be cost competitive to the Bambu-H2C if the past is an indicator for the future but time will tell I guess. There's also snap-maker, which might be the fastest of them all but is "limited" to up to 4 colors/materials, which might be a good compromise for most customers but their reputation isn't the best from past printers/quality-problems so who knows which printer is best to get.
I personally still like to print one color only and will probably get a H2S since it's just a great printer for the price (print quality got even better from using linear rails) and being able to print with such quality on the whole print bed is really nice to do batches of functional parts. I will probably even omit the AMS and just get a single dry-box for an XXL-spool (5kg..10kg) since I design parts to be printable without support-material and only functional parts.
All this competition is very good for us printer customers so I'm all for it. I'm a bit of a BambuLab printer fanboy since their printers waste less of my time.

>>2957345
Cool wall of text bro. Too bad I didn't read any of it. Next time get an ad to shill your bambilamps.

>>2957369
I couldn't hear you over the sound of your failed prints so I guess, suck my dick.

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>>2957345

I don't have hobbies that would benefit from 3d printing
those most I would get from 3d printing is a soap dish that fit my sink just right or useless mlok attachments for my rifle
it's just not worth it
if I was into table top gaming I would 3d print the shit out of some figures because fuck the prices those Jews charge

>>2957390
You have no fucking idea. I was called all kinds of things including crazy, psycho, manic, suicidal but well adjusted adult wasn't used once to describe me. Early exposure to GNU/Linux systems combined with the side-effects of the 'tism shaped me into that monster that people talk about thinking they're outside my earshot: I...is he dangerous? - No, I mean, we assume he's just crazy in a harmless, disturbing way.

>>2957394
there's a youtube guy that does table-top figures with FDM-printers and the prints looked pretty good. I guess he's using a 0,2mm nozzle. The A1 mini is under 200 bucks so a very good deal is you mainly want to print PETG and small parts.

>>2957396
cool, but I don't tabletop game

>>2956820
1. 3D printing is hard. This by itself automatically filters 99% of normies.
>but you can learn how to do the stuff, and it gets easier
Learning curve is the problem, in penetrating the masses. You can learn it. I can learn it. Other anons can learn it. People can learn it. But perceived difficulty is still going to filter most people.

2. Lack of practical application for 3D printed stuff.
>but I can totally make things I can use
Yeah, but for most people, they aren't going to have the smarts to whip up a 3D model to print to help them solve a problem they have. Let alone print out the pieces and then assemble them into a solution.

3. Injection mold plastic pieces are just better. They have stronger structural integrity, and smooth surfaces, especially on curved surfaces, compared to the line work of most 3D prints.

>>2957373
>I couldn't hear you over the sound of your failed prints so I guess, suck my dick.
Jokes on you, I don't mess with 3d printed bullshit. I just build stuff out of steel using actual fabrication techniques.

>>2957395
You sound like a run of the mill attention whore normie with main character syndrome.

>>2956820
For me its just not worth the space i'd barely use it
>>2956828
So just like a washing machine

>>2957269
Most machine shops I’ve worked in (small businesses)

We’re 1 or 2 mechanical engineers that started off as machine operators, and went back to school

Designing in house product

Then a setup guy, who also designed parts in solidworks and programmed parts - smaller items like levers, switches, cams, pins, and manufacturing the prototype products and handing off to assemblers

A 5 million revenue shop looked like this from the outside, non-description office building, 2 large bay doors, 1 receptionist, 2 assemblers, 3 dudes walking in a t shirt and jeans

Inside those bay doors non- descript gray or blue gray machines

If the brand name Chiron or deckel stickers on the outside of some large machines mean nothing to you

You have probably walked by a machine shop and didn’t know it

All the tools cutting tools etc were put away in lista boxes

Small giveaway might be an operator or two with a snap-on box as we’ve had a lot of former mechanics come in to train but that’s about it


People always assume machine shops are a nasty place with a stream of oil flowing out of a beat up old garage door, where a boomer has a horde of random shit dating back ton1918, Bridgeport, hardringe engine lathes, a lot of grinding and sparks and welding going on and hammering on random sheet metal as background noise

But that’s just shit for Hollywood


A dmg Mori has the same chime as a McDonald’s fryer when it’s done that beep beep beep sound when you put it in service mode

A lot of these machines kinda sorta look like medical equipment especially the Siemens and heidehein control stuff

>>2956820
The "modern" boom in 3D printing technology you've seen the last 12 or more years was simply because patents from the 1970s expired.

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I have one and love it, use it all the time. I have almost 10 years of professional CAD experience though, so busting out whatever I can think of is no big deal to me.

>>2956867
Concealed nunchuck carry?

>>2957681
>I have one and love it, use it all the time. I have almost 10 years of professional CAD experience though, so busting out whatever I can think of is no big deal to me.
And yet its still just plastic larping toys...

What’s the point? Even if you need a specialized plastic part you can upload a file online and have the part (at 10x quality) within two or three days. Why bother having expensive hardware like that in your home? It’s like hobby electronics.

>>2957731
Hah
Suck it
10 years worth of phone stands and anime figurines

>>2956820
Libraries have them so why build one for $300-500 when I can use one that's $3000. Last time I went I just make a case which cost not even $2 and that was about 4 years ago.

>>2957005
this guy knows.

>>2957058
buy an ad

>>2956836
What is
>design for manufacturing
You design and build things based on what your current fabrication process looks like. A 3d printer just happens to be one of the most versatile tools in the workshop. But before I got one I would make everything out of wood.

Check out what a BambuLab H2D can print in TPU. Custom bellows like this could be really nice to be able to print yourself if you're building custom CNC-machines, saving you the time and design compromises that come with sourcing off-the-shelf bellows. The second nozzle is needed to print with PLA as support material. These bellows are quite sturdy, too: https://youtu.be/UFrWfnwD3aU

>>2956820
Imagine getting filtered by CAD in year of our lord 2025 when so much resources are available for free. People just don't want to do anything anymore these days. A slightest bit of friction and they give up. It's not that 3D printing is difficult to pick up, it's that people attention spans are so cooked that if they don't get instant results they lose their minds. AI is going to make this even worse in couple of years when people are going to outsource 100% of their thinking to some LLM further decreasing attention spans to 0.

>>2958072
I have a coworker who was 100% serious when he said “why learn CAD? ChatGPT just made me a file”

Fucker doesn’t even know the difference between solids and meshes just calls everything files or models

normgroids are just so stupid that they will never understand the value in these things. you don't even need to learn CAD, there's an entire world of useful free files out there already but normies will still go down to the big box store to buy things for the rest of their life
>3d printing was supposed to be eventually in everyone's home
the only industry that wants you to have a 3d printer is the 3d printer manufacturers. every other industry hates the fact that you can 3d print your own chinkshit parts at home instead of paying extortionate markups for cheap crap. so there just isn't a mechanism to get these things into peoples homes at scale. i've never even seen a 3d printer in a shop anywhere in my country, you can only buy them online. your local big box store will probably never, ever stock these either because it immediately invalidates half the inventory of their store because you can just print the stuff they sell (chinkshit imports) at home for a fraction of the cost.

>>2957731
Meh, and yet I enjoy it just the same, besids, ASA and PA-6 get some pretty good mechanical properties. Besides, $1200 for a printer is nothing, right anon?

>>2957688
well yeah, why would you open carry nunchucks? at that point you would be better served by a staff

>>2958154
>Meh, and yet I enjoy it just the same, besids, ASA and PA-6 get some pretty good mechanical properties. Besides, $1200 for a printer is nothing, right anon?

Lol. Lmao even. Yeah $1200 really doesn't mean fuck-all in the grand scheme of things, but I'd still rather not waste it on meme 3d printers and funko pops.
I have bigger and better shit to buy. Last year I bought a Tree vertical milling machine for around $1200. That is a nice heavy chunk of metal that is actually worth the money.

>>2956838
>>2956836
>>2956829
Low iq samefags

>>2957514
You sound like you suck dick with your butthole

>>2958273
with printers you can get something usable for like $150 already, just not as braindead easy to use than the more expensive ones but still easier and less work than even simple CNC wood routing
and plastic is good enough for plenty around the shop, love my custom drawer organizers

Interesting to hear the argooments from 3dp contrarians/haters

>>2957058
Nobody’s buying into the bamboozle razor-and-blades scam with drm’ed pla spools.

>>2958306
>love my custom drawer organizers
Oh shit. How could anyone ever make some drawer organizers without their sicky dope 3D printer?

>>2957514
>>2958305
it would appear you got to him.

>>2956820
Most people are too stupid to take advantage of a 3d printer. The barrier to entry is much higher than for a paper printer (all you need to know is some basic user interface and how to use a word processor).
3d printers are more complicated and more expensive to run. But most of all, if you really want to take advantage of a 3d printer you probably need a very significant skillset in engineering as well as proficiency in 3d modelling to produce your own designs. Most people who just want to print some random object every now and then really are better off downloading a pre-made model from an online database and then getting it printed and shipped by a third party.

>>2958481
>and then getting it printed and shipped by a third party
do that like 5 times and you'll probably have spent more than the cost of a cheap printer + some filament

>>2958304
garbage FDM widget-printing enthusiast

hi lads, I'm thinking about buying 3d printer for some prototyping and making models for metal casting moulds
I am a CNC engineer, can run cad cam and shieet, I fix CNCs so I can program and build one but since now I had no use for it
what would be best one to start, preferably with bigger print volume than cheapo ones
would it be better to buy a kit or parts and try to figure everything out?
or go straight to wood router with 4th axis?
I'm leaning towards wood since this is traditional ways we've done models for moulds but at the moment we scrapped spare old machine I had unlimited access to and all others are just running at capacity, having fire and forget printer would be nice, especially if it doesn't require multiple hundreds of hours to run reliably

>>2958246
>why open carry nunchucks
Carry them on your belt so they clunk and rattle while you walk, like a windchime but retarded. Or for the more important reason: exercising 2A, no matter how ridiculously or trivially, triggers the Leftoids into seething impotent onions rage. A reward unto itself.

>>2958814
you might look into the Bambu Lab H2S. Decent size and 2 printheads give you lots of options. We got one at work and our mechanical engeneers use it for prototyping and stuff. It works quite good without preparation, compared to other consumer 3D printers. If you don't care about the china men looking into the stuff you print, you can let it go online. If you want to keep the stuff a secret, you'll have to use it offline.
At work we've got a printer - pc setup that's not part of our network because of that.

Personally I am not a big fan of the closed environment of bambu lab. Got myself a Creality k1c. Out of the box it is an ok printer. Needs some tinkering to get really good though. But you can get root access easily and install everything that you could possibly want on it.
I will not bull shit you though. Right out of the box and without many man hours of tinkering nothing beats bambu labs atm.
Just my 2 cents. I am sure other anons with more experience can tell you more.

>>2958874
thanks, bambu is over 1k GBP over here, it says its got laser and cutting option, might look into that
creality is 1/3 the price, I can afford that out of my slush fund without feeling it, I'll have to research it
I'd rather not have chinamen look into my prints, I'm doing nothing important or secret but I do have a dislike for online spying, its enough my own government is spying on me
would rather have chinamen do it from other side of the world but one government is my limit

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been printing industrial parts non stop for a project at work with a 250 USD bambu a1 mini.
.2mm tolerance and under. petg requires some tuning but pla is legitimately plug and play.
I can have a problem on monday and print the solution on tuesday. Try that with CNC and welding with 250 USD worth of equipment LMAO.
think some of you guys might just be retarded.

>>2956820
Turns out, unless all you want are articulated dragons and The Rock's face pasted onto anyhing vaguely spherical, you actually need to learn to CAD to make good use out of 3D printing. And average consumer can't be assed to learn even the literally child-friendly TinkerCad and Windows's own (no longer built in) 3D Builder. It's a tool like any other. Asking why is it that not everyone has a 3D printer is the same as asking why is it that not everyone has a welder- you need to know how to use one. Fuck, I know people who don't own a single screwdriver (they are all old and women but still).

>>2956820
Most people don't have the need to print toys.

>>2956867
> CNC
Yes, I use the 3D printer to print solid blocks of plastic, then I take them to my CNC to carve out shapes.
I film it and upload it to various social media sites to prove how much free time I have to waste, how much testosterone I have, and that I’m rich and don’t care about money. I’m getting my bambi printer gold plated and encrusted in jewels.

>>2958986
> industrial parts
> made of PLA plastic
I hope I don’t need to use this “industry” for anything.
I wouldn’t use PLA to make a butt plugg.
Which is what 99.99% of all 3D printers are used for. But I know what’s going on.
t. ups delivery guy

>>2959190
Lol I was browsing jewtube and someone posted up their top 10 3d prints. Imagine my face when they were all toys...
Inb4
>Hey man my Nintendo switch game holder that looks like a pipe from Mario is actually really useful!!!

alright you guys sold me. current ps1 sale isn't good enough, surely black friday will be better

>>2959207
if its good enough for offshore then its probably good enough for a ups guy
the guys at the test lab have been printing with mostly PLA for ages
I print robot tools on mostly PETG, some PLA where is makes sense. its just materials with different behaviours under different efforts, temps, over time
For a ups buttplug guy this might be a bit too much

>>2959225
I dont know if therell be other retailers doing surprise offers next week, but at least with bambu directly, the sale going on right now IS the black friday sale.
Makes sense imo, not putting it all out on that specific day where everyones buying all sorts of stuff. Not just because youll drown among the omnipresent wave of special offers, but also people need time to think before they get a printer.

I print items for my daughters dollhouses. They complain that they lack normal things like toilets etc. So I love adding little details like that.

>>2959204
gig eels fishing is based let me tell you that fellow do something on your own enthusiast

>>2958986
>>2959207
He's printing prototypes before sending them for production, I hope at least because that part geometry makes no sense for 3d printing.

People don't seem to understand that ribs and lightening cutouts make 3d printed parts weaker.

>>2959296
>lightening cutouts make 3d printed parts weaker.
No, that's wrong. The problem is that it actually wastes more material, since it means more outer shells.
Making the model solid will actually be lighter unless you use 100% infill.

>>2959296
im not sending anything anywhere
"industrial part" doesnt mean I sell my parts to any industry
I do experimental automation projects with a robot and some electronics, to increase productivity
I need quick solutions to not get bottlenecked by some tool, so I can spend more time on the IT side.
This tool in particular is more than strong enough for what it does and if it fails I have 3 backups on a shelf (a hard collision is basically impossible in the setup).
If down the line the company wants to design, cut and weld/assemble an aluminum version, its not my decision.

Regardless of strenght, it interacts with several metal parts that need easy access to bolt and unbolt if im switching tools, accessibility is the main priority of the design. 2nd priority is keeping volume down to not hit bin walls when picking (its a gripper)

That is the perfect use case for 3d printing that i am defending against the morons in this thread saying its for toys, or those who say there are no plug and play printers (LMAO)

That being said I have little exp with 3dprinting so Im interested to know, if anyone have the expertise, how you would design it.

>>2959308
>That being said I have little exp with 3dprinting so Im interested to know, if anyone have the expertise, how you would design it.
this is a pretty good article, going over important part design choices:
https://blog.rahix.de/design-for-3d-printing/

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>>2959308