Why didn't/haven't rear handle circular saws catch on outside of North America? This isn't to argue that they're better or worse, but clearly, a lot of carpenters in North America see advantages, but they're virtually unknown outside of it. Why?
>>2960672They're pussies
>>2960672They're not useless, but rear handle saws is an American thing and tradition plays a huge part in all trades, there are differences from region to region kn each country. Using wood as the main material isnt that popular either so the need for a saw dedicated to cutting 2x4 and up didn't see a huge need. Also sellers hasn't really shown then I shops.
>>2960672Rear handle saws are more expensive than a regular saw but they make framing a lot quicker. In most parts of the world 'production framing' is not a thing so they have never caught on. Also one thing that rear handle saws do 10 times better than a regular saw is cut plywood and in most of the world plywood is used way less than in NA because it's expensive. Like for example in California engineers always spec the use of 1/2" plywood on sheer walls with a specific nailing schedule and even though it isn't actually required builders/framers will just end up using plywood to brace every exterior wall because the alternative is using furing strips to make the sheer walls plane out with the non-sheer walls. In Australia most of the time they used metal straps to brace walls and if plywood is required to brace walls they will only put it on the specific section that is required and then fur out the rest of the house to match that which is time consuming and expensive but still cheaper than using ply everywhere.
>>2960672they are everywhere in the nordicd, its seen as one of the essential tools. with a saw and a drill you can build a house.
Sidewinders aren't that much lighter but the weight is much more balanced, the shoe is wider, and you can use two hands while cutting. That is to say, its a very beginner friendly saw. The only things a sidewinder is definitively better at is cutting subfloor/sheathing when you're standing on it, and making small rips of plywood, cause u can pinch the shoe.When you're a big strong white man and you need to get things done then a rear handled saw is better. If you know what you're doing you wont have to pull out your square, chalk line, or tape half as often with this saw.
>>2960672we build houses out of bricks, not sticks.
>>2960672Where I am we use circular saws a lot less in general because we don’t do stick framing as much and if we do most bring a mitre saw and table saw to the site. The trades that do use circular saws usually get a ‘normal’ one because theyre smaller and can be used with one hand more easily
>>2960983where are you? if you can't easily use a rear handle saw with one hand you're probably an actual faggot to be honest
>>2960672we don build wid wood here in kenya
It’s called a worm drive saw you fucking posersUnless you’re the cut man on a framing crew there is no reason to need a wd. Idiots
>>2961315Why does the cut man on a framing crew need a worm drive?
>>2961315Oh cool, are you the same guy who thinks you should only use your tape measure once during the whole framing process?
>>2961600Better torque. Easier to control for a right hander. Better balance. The base and bevel work smoother. When you get very good with the tool, there are reasons. Four people yelling at you for oddball cuts right away is one thing. Making difficult detail cuts somewhere else is another. If you're going to spend 10 hours on the tool, get the $20 sidewinder. If 1000 or more, shop around.
>>2961834Another poser…talking shitYou use a worm drive because it’s built to handle sawing lumber all day, year after year. Your little 7 1/4” skilsaw will shoot craps in a month…thank me later
lol at the guy screaming about wormdrives being "all u need" or whatever. rough carpenters do mediocre work and i won't let them do my framing for my work. when we are on the job at the same time and they're fiddlefucking around i'll occasionally jump in and get whatever bullshit they're doing done for them in no time.people who are good use a track saw, miter saw, table saw and jig saw. people who can't graduate use a circular saw all their lives.
>>2961865Framing has the smartest and dumbest people in the trades. You sound like you're somewhere in the middle.
>>2961868why the fuck would a "super smart" framer not want to make 2x as much money and do more complicated work in a nicer environment? probably because he really isn't that smart and can't do the nicer work.
>>2961839skilsaw is worm drive, dumbfuck
>>2961865Framers do the kind of work that makes these videoshttps://youtu.be/w4Rr8tLHrpoThey can't put the right nails in a hanger, what are the odds they can plumb a wall or crown a stud? Laborers with nail guns.
>>2961875>what are the odds they can plumb a wall or crown a stud?i'm autistic so i get one size bigger than necessary with my dimensional lumber and track saw both sides straight after they climatize :P
>>2961880not even joking
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>>2961870The smartest framers end up as GCs building custom houses. You sound like you just don't know how much work goes into building a custom house and that's okay because you're a trim carpenter.
>>2961885the fuck is the point of this abomination? all that wasted space for what?
>>2961885post more pics. let's see how it looks from 3 feet away. anything can look good from 25 ft.
>>2961891that's funny because I do build custom homes, you can be project manager and own the finish carpentry company and do design work, it's called having talent>>2961885>>2961895it's an outdoor pavilion with an ipe TV surround so one of my customer's can smoke cigars while watching football. if you don't like it, good news, you don't have to live there.
>>2961944cont
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>>2961872Wrong again Princess
>>2961962Checkmate
>>2961962Skilsaw is a brand name. Skilsaw 77s are worm and they filed circsaw patent in 1928.Worm has more torque and prevents backdriving. https://youtu.be/GzUqvfqsfmQMost of the competition uses beveled hypoidal gears. They're also common in vehicle differentials. https://youtube.com/shorts/yVqpYV4sRSU>>2961949You post this every month.You should be doing these installs biweekly.
>>2961978Why does Diablo put their screen printing on the wrong side?
>>2961949What the fuck is this shit?
>>2961982Post something you built.
>>2962036An entryway with a spring arch and recessed panels.
Wall unit I designed will integrate with the beams.
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>>2962061>Box beamsCringe
>>2962071Post something you have built.
>>2962071Also: $50/foot labor only. Crown is extra.
>>2962056>festool and milwaukeeLiterally the most nerd combo of tool brands known to man. Wow
>>2962083>he thinks $50 per hour is a lot
>>2962174Learn to read. $50/foot. Give or take 50 feet a day. I pay my helper 200/day. You do the math.
>>2962291>he's proud of paying his beaner helper slave wagesJust stop dude. Also 50 feet of what a day? How do you even calculate that when you're building those fancy built-ins? Stop lying.
>>2962398do you not understand the concept of lineal footage?>complete 18 foot section of beam>complete 8 foot section of beam>complete 8 foot section of beam>complete 8 foot section of beam>complete 8 foot section of beam>18+8+8+8+8=50>(50$/ft)x(50ft)=$2,500i used to worry about competition from other people but you and your peers are fucking retarded. anyway, doing a room with 50 feet of beams usually is a three day process even if the beams are one day. day one is skirt board (the shit the beams die into on the walls) and doing the sides of the main beam and installing the support and box for the light that is inevitably hung from the central beam, that's about 75 feet of skirt board and that would be $750+$100 for the light support. Second day is the beams which is a $2,500 day. Third day is crown which is going to be 175 feet (beam footagex2+perimeter of room) which will be $1,750. That's $5,100 for 3 days of work. The rooms I am doing now also get V-Joint t&g so that's going to be (16*18)x(12/5)x5=$3,456 which should take 2 days. (area of ceiling, boards are 5 inches wide so to get lineal feet of material you multiply by twelve and then divide by five to go from sqft to lineal feet, then multiply by 5 dollars per lineal foot to get price).there i just taught you how to estimate and how to determine how much you are making on each aspect of the project so when you go day by day you can make sure you are not fucking yourself. for those who can't do math, that's $1,711.20/day which is ~$1,500/day after paying my helper, which is my goal. that's pretty ideal in terms of conditions though, when you do custom work the customer can come in and fuck everything up like changing from paint grade to stain grade and now you have to work backwards and try to make it up by saying the stain grade is more expensive which it will be anyway.
>>2962436you think i give a fuck you dumb trim nigger? i made $20k just watching my dirtwork subs dig a pit today>dirtwork costs $10k>my percentage on my subs is 200%>easy $20k in my pocket>complain to homeowner about how the price of all my subs has skyrocketed over the last few years while i text my plug to bring over the bags at 5pm preciselyTHAT's how you make money, read and learn fuckboy, maybe one day you'll stop making peanuts on your cute little box beams
>>2962695You must be 18 to post here.
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>>2962695for anyone who isn't fucking retarded who is reading this thread, the normal amount to charge for subs is 20%. so if you bring subs to a jobsite and execute a contract and they charge $10k you get $2k and you should be managing them and running your jobsite to justify the money you are making. this guy is a retard larper.
>>2961865>track saw, miter saw, table sawthese are just circular saws
>>2965046circular saw blades
>>2961949how did you make those false rafter thingies
>>2962056when making coffered ceilings do you just tack the beams onto the roof or do they have to be structural
>>2965053The way I do it is I have the framers put half inch plywood up before they do drywall so I can put screws in and always hit something. You can do it directly on the drywall but then you should be using adhesive and toggle bolts if you can't hit framing with screws.
>>2965050They're foam that has a thin layer of stucco on it. Here's a piece of dental mold that the same company is installing right now. It's bullshit.
any real carpenter can do it all with one of these babies
>>2961885>all that and still home depot vinyl flooring
>>2960672as an eurofag who has one, I don't see any advantage over miter saw (short cuts) and table saw (long cuts).
>>2965728nigger that is outdoor porcelain, you can see a broken piece in the bottom right and the backside of a few leftover pieces
>>2965729There are a lot of times where it's more convenient to just have the saw on your person for cutsAlso a lot of cases where a miter saw is impractical (very long boards, angle cuts past 45 degrees etc)On a framing jobsite you typically don't have very long miter saw side supports, or long infeed / outfeed tables for a table saw
>>2965729what the other anon said, and for rough carpentry you don't have to make precise cuts. if you are sheathing a roof you are cutting sheets of plywood on a roof and the joints don't have to be perfect.
>>2965727useless for anything but cutting pvc pipe
>>2965833Patently false
>>2965848it's the only thing it excels at.
>>2965823why would you spend all that money to have the floor look like home depot vinyl flooring?
>>2965849There isn't a more versatile tool for general demolition, or anything else where you have to fuck something else and a clean and precise cut doesn't matter.
>>2965727They're way slower than a circular saw
>>2965675why not wood
>>2965727Without the saw these make pretty good shakers for promoting flow in concrete or plaster setting
>>2965727>Mikwaukee
>>2960672Brown thirdies can't into worm gear technology
>>2966126Rot. All this stuff is just for aesthetics these days, timber frame isn't common anymore.
>>2965727My favourite demo tool is the one-handed hackzall. Fucking love it.
>>2965675>builds things out of foam>calls himself a carpenter
I've used all manner of circular saws and one thing I can say for sure about these worm drive saws is that they're fucking heavy and annoying to swing around. It also seems to me that it's more of a west coast thing. Framers here one the east coast and using cordless sidewinders.
The circular saw question had been SOLVED. Picrelyou are a weak bitch. best coasters win again. many such cases!
>>2966685mexicans on the exterior of the house do that shit, not me. the only material i will work with other than wood is azek for exterior applications.
>>2961865>track saw, miter saw, table sawThose are all circular saws. I knew a builder that pretty much used a couple of circ saws combined with his jigs for everything.
>>2962056Bonnet for your miter saw?
>>2966898>cuck for dewaltyou'll never make it to Milwaukee with that much cum in your ass
>>2966898>you are a weak bitch. best coasters win again. many such cases!suck my taint, califaggot.
>>2961949it's fucking sideways my man
>>2961885>>2961870it looks nice but i built a big clock like this as a 14 year old in shop class, it's not hard to cut machine-planed wood on a 45 degree angle and glue them togetherbroaching a square to fit the stupid battery clock assembly was probably harder than making the cuts for a nice geometric design in the face
>>2967002Staircase guy's dust collection setup.
>>2967722Sure thing hoss.
>>2967001I totally believe you.
