>3x the price of their competitor brands>specialise in powered toolsI don't get it, surely they can't be that good?
>>2961078It's a German company that produces its tools in Germany and the Czech Republic. They pay their employees rather than using slave labor, and the quality is higher as a result.
>>2961079Dean D has some praise for the brand, it has decent repairability and available replacement parts so that's pretty nice. As for performance it seems to be lacking compared to the usual suspects, at least for one of their drills that project farm tested.
>>2961078The only thing worth a shit they make is the Domino and maybe their vacs, everything else sucks. Also, their stuff doesn't work without their proprietary bullshit, enjoy paying 5$ for a single dowel, for example.
>>2961080>As for performance it seems to be lackingits a carpenter brand that pioneered low profile low runout chucks and tight space adapters for furniture assembly. Like decades before the usual suspects made their 1/4" hex based clones.nobody cares if it cant drill 2" holes in 316l
>>2961087they also had brushless already all the way back in nicad/nimh days, pretty substantial performance boost back then
>>2961087>>2961088Fair enough, it's a btand with decent pedigree but stats wise it doesn't do as good nowadays, it is what it is.Bosch used to be the top dogs of demolition hammers and now they strip gears pretty easily and don't refuse to fix the problem even when their own official repair shops advise them to do something about the issue. Even hilti isn't exempt from this. There are a few brands that used to make bombproof power tools that simply rely on their name brand to sell a product that simply isn't as good as it once was.
>>2961078for me its ryobi. it just werks
Festool is targeted at cabinet makers and other fine woodworking installers. I have a stack of it collected over more than twenty years, but it gathers dust because what little woodworking I do is with dimensional lumber and plywood, and is easier to do with my collection of cordless tools.
>>2961079are they really that good? compared to blue bosch for example (im sucking Robert's dick hard)
>>2961362Nu-bosch is going downhill. Poorly hardened gears.
>>2961082The Domino is still only competed with by jerry-rigged router setups.The compound miter saws are nice, but DeWalt's is still a good choice if you're fine with the extra rear clearance you need, and you can get one with a rolling, folding stand for $650 if you watch the sales versus $1800 for the KapexThe Dust extractors are actually pretty decently price competitive with other dual-filter models from DeWalt, Milwaukee, 3M, and Mirka, though Harbor Freight has one now for $370.The rest of the industry has caught up to them on track saws.None of the cordless stuff they make is worth the price premium unless you have to have an all-Festool shop and their stacking storage boxes.>>2961087Still rather go with the Milwaukee M12 installation driver for that, or DeWalt's new multi-head 20v Atomic.
>>2961449>Still rather go with the Milwaukee M12 installation driver for that, or DeWalt's newnobody who bought into centrotec in 2000 will change to a different brand installation driver. For a regular drill? sure
Automotive painter/prepper/bodyman in my smol workshop.RO 90 and 150 is what i have from Festool. Shits great. Need to get to (or even through in corners) metal, fast?Take loud as fuck Rotex. Same deal with kicking down fist layer of putty. Some of them can be really hard to sand. 90 is a beast also, i never thought that delta attatchment can be used for cars. Just zip the shit out of rims or other places.Need forced action polisher? Blast em clean and slap pad on and get going. RO 150 has same specs as Rupes Mille and it just works.If it falls apart, send it to repairs or get parts yourself. They will outlive me.Probably these are last generation Rotexes because bigger one is in production for almost 20 years... For more delicate or quieter sanding i have Mirka Deos blocks and smol n big Deros.I started my effort from scratch, without funds and support and after a year, system basically works. Even in remote europoor village.Thanks for reading my blogpost.
>>2961078>I don't get it, surely they can't be that good?for DIY it's overkill unless you are rich and want to have a really sick setup that you don't use very often. the only reason to get into festool is if you are a professional who wants really high end products with a lot of power, features, dust collection, and fantastic warranty support. festool is head and shoulders above most companies when it comes to this stuff. i run festool miter saws, a festool router, and their sand paper is the best even though i run a mirka sander. mafell has them beat on track saw and router. the festool sander is probably better than the mirka for painters. all my battery hand tools are milwaukee and i will give this anecdotal evidence:>festool kapex eats a piece of ipe that was too small and I shouldn't have been cutting anyway>blade grabs it and pulls it into the housing seriously fucking shit up>go on website submit warranty claim>get shipping label>saw gets back a week later with half of the parts replaced and cutting great againvs milwaukee>oscillating multitool breaks (turned on but the blade had no power going to it)>similar process to festool>they sent me a brand new replacement>the blade screw retainer is broken>have to send the brand new replacement back to them>finally get a working replacementa lot of companies have good warranties and good tools, but festool doesn't have hiccups like some of the other guys. i was burning up bosch routers pretty consistently so i got the bigass festool router and have been loving all the creature comforts and accessories. also, dust collection is an absolutely amazing "i never knew what i was missing" feature that more people should invest in.
>>2962109>mafell has them beat on track saw and router.track saw and jigsaw*, router isn't really comparable since the mafell router is 240v
>>2961449>The Domino is still only competed with by jerry-rigged router setups.Dominos are just a specialized tool for floating tenons. 95% of the time you could just use a drill (which you already have) and dowels (which are trivial to make).
>>2962109>who wants really high end products with a lot of powerBut only for the corded tools. The cordless are actually a bit underpowered, focused more on smooth feel over power.>>2962153Not just that, but with a lot of little details built in to make the mortises fast and easily repeatable and evenly spaced.
>>2962184Oh yeah. Guides to help with alignment. They'd be helluva useful for production work. But total overkill for the home DIYer
>>2962186Even for custom work, running a bunch of dominoes takes 1/10th the time that manually cutting mortises would.
>>2962192Again, yes. But it wouldn't take much less time then dowels, and at many times the cost.
>>2961078Festool is a fashion statement.It's like snapon, people buy it for the logo and the bragging rights of having been ripped of by jews, not the performance.>>2961087>low profile low runout chuckstotal gimmick in a hand-held tool.>>2961362>are they really that good?No they are on par with Mafell or the higher end Metabo lines or FEIN.>compared to blue boschWell they're way better than Bosch. Bosch has random products where they just didn't engineer it right and it fails due to that and they never fucking fix it. They also have products which last but it's a gamble.There's a really funny thread in a boat forum with people grinding fucking yachts for weeks and trying to find an alternative to festools rotex. The bosch equivalent dies reliably after a few days, the makita is fine (and half the price of the festool) but the real smart guys get a Mirka which weighs 800gr instead of 3kg for all-day-long overhead work and take a small hit to the removal rate.If you want to know about a tool for sure, go look for people who have to use it under the most miserable circumstances, like grinding glas fiber boat hulls overhead, in protective gear, outside, and have workpieces which are huge so they do it a lot.Don't ask youtubers who use it for 5 minutes in their nice climatized workshop.
>>2962184>But only for the corded toolsThat's all I use other than drill/driver/multitool.
>>2962283>total gimmick in a hand-held tool.yea noi have a high end metabo drill and due to the way the chuck is attached it has like 10mm wobble at the tip of a 5" long drill.Also like 5mm for the bit holder, pffft.Imagine shilling for this while claiming the superior way is le-gimmick.
>>2962328Sounds like a Metabo fault to me, my DeWalt has zero deflection at the drill bit tip.
Does Festool offer an alternative to the GSB 12V-35?
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>>2962338>Sounds like a Metabo fault to mei thought too and contacted their customer service. Its the play in the 1/4" hex shaft. Metabo has that issue, so does Bosch and milfukee. Centrotec does not since it mounts the bit all the way inside the gearbox shaft instead of the tip of whatever chuck / bit adapter>my DeWaltlet me guess, its fixed chuck>>2962340their 12v range
>>2962349>let me guess, its fixed chuckI'll take using two separate tools if it means I can also put clean holes into metal studs and cinderblocks.
>>2962355this is all about mounting excenter and angle adapters, not fucking stick framing>why would i own a multitool, my jackhammer is better suited for ripping out driveway slabs
>>2962359I sure as fuck wouldn't pay Festool's premium for that.
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>>2962361>Festool's premiumits import tax kekthey all cost like ~300€ here. festool, bosch, metabo, milwaukee.metabo and festool share the same flange on the 12 and 18v range. Bosch? zero flexibility here
used one of these with two tracksFelt like a plastic toy, but I guess it worked good.Even joining the tracks felt weak, but I guess it worked.I guess if you were gonna be doing that sort of cutting all the time it would be worth it instead of Bubba DIY guide and Skillsaw.Even the storage box felt cheap and weak. More like dust cover than a storage box.
>>2962452>used one of these with two tracksFestool Plunge-Cut Track Saw TS 55 FEQ-F-Plus-FS with 55-Inch (1400mm) Guide Rail main prob was it track was too big to fit in Job Box and holes too small for our chain, it was a "diverse" jobsite, so boss had to carry it home until we figured out a custom way to lock up with a bar with two holes that fit through the slots. lol
>>2962362Fess from Germany gets big import tax but not all the shit from China?AFAIK all such tools in USA have been from China for at least 20yrs.If war pops off with China, Germany will be the only NATO nation with tool factories, unless maybe Lockheed sells Impacts for working on F-35 for $1,000,000.
>>2962457>AFAIK all such tools in USA have been from China for at least 20yrs.Nope, DeWalt mainly builds actual power tools in the US, Mexico, and Vietnam. Their batteries use Korean cells put together in Mexico. They use China for other stuff. Milwaukee has similar diversity of their factories.
>>2962478>Mexico, and VietnamWell known trans-shipment hubs.The US factory is hilarious. They had only one coil winding machine (it's actually shocking that they ever wound a motor). It's a demo/showpiece where they mainly assemble parts from china.And by assemble, I mean put the stickers on.
>>2962361Compatible with Jobmax?
>>2962481Nothing is. Especially other Rigid tools.
>>2962480You're just mad that your claim is a lie and you got called on it.
>>2962480>They had only one coil winding machineeverybody imports their pmm from china. Even metabo despite everything else being made in germany (castings, clam shells, ...)China holds the monopoly on rare earth magnets, its up to the west to design new motors that dont rely on the yellow jews resources
>>2962338He's a retard making shit up, metabo turns, hardens and precision grinds all their spindles.They have like 0,02mm runout or less from the factory.
>>296215395% of the time the joinery needs to be perfect and fast for a professional. A dowel jig is perfectly reasonable, but it needs to be well thought out. Even biscuit joiners have their share of pitfalls. At their best, they only secure alignment in one direction. But they are very fast, which is optimal when they just do the job they're supposed to. People who aren't putting in 4-6 kitchens a month will never understand.
>>2961078they are that good. they just are. i work with hvac and general construction, if i did only construction i would buy festool. i dont so i buy dewalt
>>2963772>if i did only constructionYou'd be a fool to buy Festool for construction work. Aside from the fact you're getting less power for a lot more money, you're basically painting a massive "steal my shit" target on yourself.
>>2963733>Even biscuit joiners have their share of pitfalls.Biscuits are for alignment, not strength. Tenons do both.
>>2961078They are that good. Not in terms of power or quality, there are many alternatives. It is about the little features that make life easier for your trade. Like, stuff you have to do on a daily basis and it saves you a few minutes every time. Not relevant for diy stuff but if you do stuff for money, time is money and Festool prices start to make sense.
>>2962361festool includes charger and 2 batteries, dewalt is drill only.
>>2963911biscuits are dowels cut in biscuit form, how do they not contribute to strength?>insert skizo babble
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>>2964570More James Bond’s mission
>>2962455>TS 55 FEQ-F-Plus-FS with 55-Inch (1400mm) Guide Rail>main prob was it track was too big to fit in Job Box and holes too small for our chain, it That got me really confused. Is anon ESL and/or retarded or am I? There’s no chain in a track saw. Does he mean the blade? Is he running some redneck-engineered sawmill where a chain pulls a tiny track saw through a log?But then> it was a "diverse" jobsite, so boss had to carry it home until we figured out a custom way to lock up with a bar with two holes that fit through the slots.Oh, ok. Burger problems. Guess that’s not festools fault. What however is, is>>2962452> storage box felt cheap and weak. More like dust cover than a storage box.I don’t know why they chose to use the cheapest feeling, ratty ass plastics there is. You pick up one of those sustainers and you think it’s some cheapo box cheapo tools come in, straight outta China, that you throw away and put it into a proper storage system, but turns out that is their system and it costs a lot of money. Same issue with meatobos system. Milhousee with their packout feels like it’s actually worth something, but not festool. For my /diy/ ass, festool is too expensive for the use I’d get out of it, apart from their sanding papers. For mesh, I prefer Mirka, doesn’t frail as much as festool, but for removing paint, their granat is fantastic. Thanks to the anon who recommended it to me!And in large boxes, pro tier stuff is cheaper than crap from the big box store. And I run it on a cheap Bosch green PSA with holes drilled into the head for dust collection.
>>2964561If you're buying one of them, you probably already have a few other DW tools and batteries.
>>2964607>apart from their sanding papers.I use 3M, way better bang for the buck.
