Why has construction gotten so shit over the past 20 years? Ever since the start of McMansions, it's gotten worse.What would you do if you were this young rocket scientist in this situation?
>>2961523Might want to start by not flooding your house to clean the floor.
>>2961524That's what the floor is for stupidIt's supposed to be water proof
>>2961531It's not a shower retard, you can't just dump 20 gallons of water on a kitchen floor and expect it not to warp.
>>2961523Why don't Americans build house with cement
>>2961542It’s against our religion.
>>2961523This is what happens when everything is made out of sawdust. Soak it up, bloat, and warp. Even humidity destroys this trash.
>>2961523>Why has construction gotten so shit over the past 20 years? Ever since the start of McMansions, it's gotten worse.our economy is dysfunctional. anything that can't be outsourced to third world countries is unaffordable. even if you cope with insourcing illegals, it's still unaffordable.>skilled trades>healthcare>education>childcare>housingall unaffordable.
>>2961523>>2961556also the misuse of >theirs'is icing on the cake. kek.
>>2961541>20 gallons of water on a kitchen floor and expect it not to warpBut that's exactly what i can do on my vinyl floor. Overfilled my sink a few times.
>>2961565Vinyl is flexible, tile is not. When the subfloor expands & contracts, the vinyl expands and contracts with it. Not the same for tile.
>>2961542They got their foreskin stolen from them at birth so they're deeply damaged """""people""""".
>>2961589It's vinyl tiles though.
>>2961614Vinyl tile, vinyl sheet, it's the same thing material-wise. Both are flexible. When I said tile before I meant like ceramic or porcelain or stone tile.
>>2961531>>2961589>>2961614Vinyl will happily break in situations like the video. The planks are glued to multiple pieces of subfloor, one of them gets wet first and swells and there will be a huge force pushing one side upward as the other side is held in place by the other piece. > the tile floor should be waterproofNone are, that’s why tiled shower floors are treated below the tiles and tiled pools have membranes below. Many kitchens don’t even have tile below the cabinets and literally nobody waterproofs baseboards to keep water from spilling below the floor. If the subfloor is waterproof like concrete theres no immediate damage but then still y’all Americans put underlayment or this nasty green fibre subfloor shit below your floors that gets moldy and rotten before anything else
I'm sure what is shown in this fucking short is 100% everything that happened>YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXT
>>2961523first qyuestion to ask of any video showing some thing bad happening, or about to happen.WHY ARE THEY RECORDING THIS?they knew this was going to happen. NO ONE mops like that.
>>2961523why are they spreading water around like that?why was this video being recorded?what is OP's reason for posting this?everything about this is sus.
>>2961542Cost.>>2961552This.>>2961556Also this.
>>2961523> 3rd world cleaning practices For decades industry has been compressing sawdust into building products and importing cheap labor to install it.
>>2961556Are you talking about murica, the greatest country in the world?
>>2961542because we own the entire building, rather than rent a single room in one
>>2961652This video is ragebait but this is exactly how people mop commercial kitchens, they have flooring and drains designed for deal with it though.I can theoretically see someone who worked in hospitality doing this once they get their first place out of home, even if I doubt that's what happened here.
>>2961523It’s a house not a boat
Putting aside that purposefully dumping water on your home's floor to mop it is not the correct way to mop (makes me wonder how he rinsed), I'm curious about the cracks in the field of the tiles rather than at the mortar joints (like at 33 seconds in) -- shouldn't the mortar be the first thing to go?
>>2961541you can, tho you shouldn't also your floor shouldn't wreck itself if you do so, but in your dystopian shithole of a country that's the standard
>>2961904no responses to this huh euros, hows touching the walls when you stretch.
>>2962342yes, we dont own anything aside of a tiny apartment here, you got us good heret. has 2 apartments in the city and two vilas in the province
>>2961542we have so many treeslumber frame is cheap, fast, easier for foreign labor>>2961610this is actually very explanatory
>>2961523>way too much water>2015+10 not having water "resistant" laminate woodISHYGDDT
>>2961541As a 30+ year builder, 7 of those years setting tiles in high end custom homes, that's absolutely bullshit.That kitchen floor should be able to hold All that and more. Baseboards in any pre-1930s home were at least 8' high, just because this exact method of mopping was the norm.Housing has definitely become progressively more garbage over the years under the guise of "Green Materials" and other bullshit "home systems" many of which like OSB and MDF being simply a way for mills to profit from their waste products by offering an inferior, but often more costly alternative.Just take roofs for exanlpe:>up to the 40s, most houses had solid 1x planking for the substrate>by the 50s plywood was the norm, still very good, but not as strong long term>invented by Armin Elmendorf in California in 1963 OSB comes on the market; presented as an ecologically sound alternative, the claims are dubious when juxtaposed to total home loss and failure of structures built with OSB as opposed to more solid wood products.>pic relEven the fact that THOUSANDS of dollars are spent on each house, trying to "Button it up" with vapor barriers, spray foam applications and then are required to have yet more mechanicals and systems installed just to mitigate the toxic environment that not allowing a house to "Breathe" creates.When one considers carefully, it seems that modern homebuilding is analogous to modern medicine; I.E.: Not only has the bar for quality of professionals been significantly lowered over the past 25 years, but procedural norms are now dictated by the industries who create and sell the products.https://www.fpl.fs.usda.gov/documnts/fplgtr/fpl_gtr236.pdf>>2961557Just missing a *Chirp!* which is likely in the version with sound.But yeah. here in the states even multi-million dollar homes are TRASH, because the suck is inherently baked into the system.
>>2961610This is unfortunately true.Please don't bully, we had NO CHOICE in the matter.
>>2961655Checked and kek'd1.Because that's how you wetmop in da Ghetto,(and McDonalds)2.They record EVERYTHANG3.Inspire a convo about shit building practices and materials--I'm all for it4.No U
>>2961774kek..Not since before you and I were born.And I say that sadly.https://youtu.be/nQd7g565e2I
>>2961523>Why has construction gotten so shit over the past 20 years?>real estate as a financial instrument with specific formulae for assessing value according to general metrics like # of bedrooms, but no hard and fast benefit to better materials or tiers of workmanship>little if any penalty for hiring unskilled labor that doesn't speak the same language construction plans are printed in>no steady supply of older-growth lumber, newer growth is far less dense>regulations revolve around energy efficiency at the time of installation, not longevityproperty is now money, and you're a sucker if you put in any effort past the bare minimum to achieve that store of value
>>2962031>Grout jointsMortar is the adhesive that sticks it to the substrateSubstrate was clearly incorrect, possibly a fix and flip where the fucking money grubbing flippers either hired hacks or did it themselves RIGHT OVER TOP of a linoleum floor.I've seen this a handful of times.Seriously, back in 2008 when everything collapsed the last time,(but the (((Banks))) got bailed out)So many people lost their jobs, their homes...EVERYTHING.A whole lot of them decided to just go into "Handyman work" since every moron with a hammer and a drill/driver thinks that $800 of shiny new Milwaukee or DeWalt tools makes you a "Jack of all trades"Hard to watch, but has it's moments of hilarity.
>>2963178>Realpoasting™It's disgusting, isn't it?I want to create a new paradigm here.I want the Gexxers, Mills, Zoomers and eventually Alphs to band together and make this shit right.I don't know if we'll have time, but there's no reason not to endeavor to anyway.We DON'T HAVE TO PLAY THAT GAME
>>2963180>We DON'T HAVE TO PLAY THAT GAMEuntil we have a concentration of people who actually care enough to hold office and change regulations, we do. next closest thing is probably mobile homes or renovating campers and sticking them in technically-not-a-home "garages"
>>2963181Outside of corporate limits,(the boondocks) you certainly can.There are still places where you will be left alone for the most part.I plan to to buy some acreage soon, and if all goes well, I'd like to start a smol company that builds and ships ready to assemble timber frames for communities who want an alternative to tiny homes,(as you may know, those got targeted QUICKLY for regulations that caused the price to go from $6k-$10k all the way to $30-$50k in NO time, but that was withing Corporation limits,) or what you'd proposed.Not just that, but other things too related to accessible land ownership and community building.I hope to take on a crew of Apprentices and other skilled members, where they start by building their own non-perm housing, but are allowed to live on my property as long as they like under contract, with the end goal being they can save up to buy their own acreage, put the timber frame or non-perm up there and do the same or perhaps even a similar but horizontal expansion of the business model...(custom hardwares, other things for the timber frames--(they still have to be outfitted with everything else,) etc.Fuck man, they could even start affiliated companies that ship and erect the structures, companies that provide aquaponics systems, Well drillers...The point is, One man CAN'T do it all, and I'd like to see NETWORKS of these businesses take off and be the foundation builders of all the little communities that are STRAINING to happen now.
>>2963181>a concentration of people who actually care enough to hold office and change regulationsThis is also a part of it.It would be a hell of a lot easier to "Buy In" to a Ghost town, than to try to sway an established township.I think most people underestimate just how BIG things really are here.
>>2961542its even more crap than wood. why dont we nordics do it? we got easy access to balt and slav """experts""" in cement and brick housing...
>>2961655>why are they spreading water around like that?So that the floor and base plates will break.>why was this video being recorded?For rage bait.>what is OP's reason for posting this?For rage bait.
This is a Mexican tiktok trend, women posting videos in houses build on stone and drainages with tiled floors.Burger women see it on social media, copy it in meme wooden houses and get mold and ruined floors.Bravo.
>>296152320 ?Sit down OP... let me tell you a story. Here in England, I live in a house that parts of which are we think older than your country. Those were the bits built of (i shit you not) stone and 'cobb'. What is that? It's basically mud, straw cow shit and whatever else they had to hand - maybe the odd labourer too. My walls are about a meter thick and super, duper insulated. That part of the house is SOLID.Another part of the house was built in we think somewhere between the first and second world war. It was terrible. We're talking rotting wood from floor to waist height. A total write off. Multiple attempts had been made to stop rising damp over the last 30 years and all had been bodged.Then, there's the 80s extension. That was worse. Collapsed drain, so collapsed floor. Built over a fucking well. No drainage outside. Leaks down the walls. My point is, its not the last 20 years. It's been a steady decline for hundreds. We spent something like 100k on renovations, just to make it habitable. But also... dont be a retard, that's not how you mop.
>>2961774yesbut only when you average every aspect of a countryand it's a low bar
>>2961774Still better than whatever shithole you hail from... Unless you're one of those self-loathing Americans, then kindly fuck off somewhere else.
>>2963495>Still better than whatever shithole you hail fromNo>Unless you're one of those self-loathing AmericansI'm not. But, at least those seem to have some brains. That's why they self loath
>>2963176>1.Because that's how you wetmop in da Ghetto,(and McDonalds)no you get a towel, soak it in pinesol water, and then shuffle around the room with it.
>>2961523spics
>>2961531Blacks
>>2961523call up the insurance company and tell them i was fucking your mom so hard her pussy queefs caused an earthquake
>uses the shittiest materials>uses the shittiest labor>isn't aware of which materials bear which conditionsThat's retarded and I'm not defending anyone here, what did the retard "testing" thought was going to happen when fully wetting cardboard with vinyl? Those "tiles" are literally compressed cardboard with a fucking thin sheet of PVC on top, with sides that are not waterproof. The joints are letting the liquid pass and it's all a shitfest from there.Use better materials and do not hire Eduardo the contractor the next time.
why the fuck do they flood the floor first? is that common in land of the freetards?
>>2966006It's a rage bait video.
meanwhile, vinyl is the material of choice for landlords because a single retard with a swiffer and 10 minutes of free time once a month can clean it with ease, if ever damaged it is easy to replace in sections, and is dirt cheap despite being pretty tough. literally all you have to do is not dump a bucket of water in it
>>2961523Marble floor. Or tiles if you're a poorfag.McMansion phenomenon is real. When are you guys going to use cement and bricks for construction? It's just easier
>>2961632>>YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED NEXTExactly. Besides, who cleans floors this way? All that water has to come back up. Only a moron would do this intentionally.
>>2961523and they laugh at chinesium beams that chinese build skyscrapers with
>>2966004>Use better materials and do not hire Eduardo the contractor the next time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI6hpPYju_U&
>>2963178Theres also no public site to pull inspection records, and inspectors don't know shit + you have to do destruction testing to discover problems
>>2961523big question, decline of western values, duty, ethics, morals, and traditionalism.but also, cost. they just make things as cheaply as possible, in the past people could afford to do things well.
>>2963459>My walls are about a meter thick and super, duper insulated.hello fren, i also lived in an old house with thick stone walls, but it was exceedingly cold. and damp. how was yours insulated? how does the old part avoid damp?
>>2963173>just because this exact method of mopping was the norm.No, it really wasn't. People used more water than today because they didn't have specialized cleaning chemicals but the "flood the floor with soapy water and scrub" technique was always limited to rooms with floor drains and appropriate flooring and for the most part homes didn't have those - except maybe laundry rooms.
>>2961523who the fuck mops like this though
>>2966612It was a 'trend' on TikTok or whatever site, where Mexican woman would clean their houses that way.
>>2961523The problem is big construction projects townhouses condos and apartment buildings are dominated by temporary foreign workers with an extremely low quality of work so they just pass it unless it's grossly negligent shit
>>2961556I work for the contractor Alan Kovacs in West Vancouver who married Amanda Tapping the actress from Stargate and Supernatural. I worked for him for about 6 years off and on and he fired a number of people because he hated the quality of work they did. I asked him why he didn't fire me early on and he said my work ethic was good I was just a little bit green about how I wanted things done but I was willing to learn. Which is also why he is backed up so badly that if you want a project from him taking care of all the trades Etc making sure the work is up to snuff you've got about a seven or eight year wait currently.I want to build a timber frame house on my property but having trouble where I was finding someone who could sign off on the designs architecturally and he found me someone for nothing as a favor to me. The guy was impressed by the fact that I actually knew my stuff, and I built a fucking 1/6th scale model out of real oak lumber, tenons knee braces and cantilevered beams.She asked me why I chose one sixth and I said because that gave nice decent size timbers, with enough meat left on them to do proper mortise and Tenon joints easily on a table saw and a mortise and tenon attachments on my drill press.Big older, I'm going to have a lot of trouble lifting some of the full size timbers, so I'm going to do is a course for five other people that pay $5,000 and they'll get a two week lesson in Timber framing.
>>2963180This still needs a long member on the roof Peak to make it stronger. But if you're trying to do it yourself that would be almost impossible is that needs a crane
>>2966710You don't need a ridge board. You could inset purlins on either side and it would be extremely strong.
>>2963185same idea i've been playing with for yearsit's just crazy hard to find people willing to commit to going off grid like that for no immediate returni'm a plumber, but would love to learn framing/foundations and would pick it up as fast as can be shoved down my throati tried to do it with kitchens during covid but everyone 'laid off' was just cozy being unemployedit's a huge motivational/foresight issue in the entire populationwhich is also the issue of why we are where we are
>>2966708>Amanda Tappingmost based post all weeksimilarly i work for a company with standards and our remodels are outscheduled many many months...market is just saturated with shitbut anyway you get to meet amanda?!
>>2963173Those are some tall baseboards.
>>2966782Quite a number of times. I got to see their house quite a bit while I was under construction in West van. He had my favorite kind of staircase, one of those cantilevered from the wall without any outside support. Right out of a Bond villain lair Also Peter Deluis, Christopher Judge, Micheal Shanks. Shakes lived about a mile and a half where Amanda and her husband lives.
>>2966888of course she marries someone with good taste :heart eyes:
>>2961655>>2961652Mexicans recorded themselves doing this in their homes with cement floors and posted it to tiktok as a new trend, which dumbass brainrot women tried to do in their particleboard flooring
>>2966935I think they met when she hired his company to renovate a house that she bought. I think it was the one featured in that episode where that weird guy built a Stargate in her basement using stuff she he bought online it was in that area of Grand Boulevard in North Vancouver
>>2963173you must be american and your 30 years of experience account for nothing.does the kitchen floor have a membrane? no, then its not water proof. you can even see it in her video, splashing water up against the walls, these are not waterproof walls. you build a bathroom to a totally different standard than a kitchen because you know the bathroom will be soaked in water all the time the kitchen wont.
>>2967970>then its not water proofit doesnt have to as long as the structure can dry again in a matter of day.a solid wood floor laughts at a bath, the only thing that cant withstand that is the piss urethan film finish put on for "protection"
>>2961523Went to find the studs in my wall todayTurns out I live in a probably glue drywall house No studs, only mildly strong plasterboard sections and the rest is pure confetti Can't hang shit
>>2963180look quite overbuilt for the size
>>2969967you probably just suck at find studseasiest solution is throw up a thin sheet of plywood, lock it to the drywall with anchors, then mount to the plywoodi'm a big fan of walldrillers. they go up to like 205lb rating.easiest install method would be throwing the ply up where you want, drilling some holes through the wood to mark the wallput in the wall drillersput the ply back up and sink the screws with washers
>>2969967yeah you suck at finding studs. maybe your mom can help, she found me last weekend
>>2961681>Cost>Will pay up to 1.5m dollars for a cardboard-and-matchsticks house
>>2962342Lol'dThere is a happy middle, and it's a cinder block or brick house with a wood roof and interior walls
>>2970458They're not really paying it. They pay it off If they were really paying it would literally never reach those prices. W/E I'll do my own work and make the house worth $50,000 more in only a few weeks of work and using $2,000 in materialsAlso it's the same in the old world if you want a place that's not cramped. You have to actually be wealthy where you are
>>2970388No. I mean in my country they literally put up walls now with plywood and glue. My whole house clunks.
>>2970388Also kek my mother is 60 obese and has dementia due to years of alcohol and prescription abuse I hope you were gentle her head is already mashed potatoes
>>2970816What kind of country do you live in where houses are built out of plywood? Samoa? The Bahamas?
>>2970816You can upload pictures here
>>2961556This, American hand tools that are made in America are so unaffordable that they’re considered unjustified spending 50 years ago it was the norm Now people will call you an idiot for not using the tools imported from India or China The pay for blue collar workers is really low too so they’re really using some third world tactics now a days
>>2971331There once was a company, a small shop, Hart Tool, they made the best hammers in America, I had one (before it got stolen) a California Framer style... they patented so many hammer styles... Eastwing (garbage hammers) bought out Hart for the explicit reason to shut them down... for a while Eastwing kept the name on the garbage import hammers. The "Hart" name changed hands several times until it was taken over by the Chicom company that makes "tools" for WalMart where the Hart family name was used for the shittiest Chicom tools ever made.It's tragic... meanwhile for old fucks like me that still remember those old Hart California hammers sell on eBay, beat to shit and rusty as they are, for $50 to $100 because they're just that good and all new hammers are absolute trash... recently used a Stanley imported hammer and felt like my arm was going to fall off after a little while it was so shit. I've witnessed gutting of US made companies by the "money people" and the outsourcing... it hurts.
>>2971346and I just looked again, some of the 1990's Bob hart hammers are now hitting eBay for $600 to $2000
>>2971355fuckin bleak dude
>>2971476If you think that's bad wait till it gets a lot worse
Having worked in the US, everything is about speed. The faster you do something the better. It doesn’t matter if you’ve done it badly or you have to go and do it again, doing it quick is the only thing that people care aboutThis becomes a race to the bottom. There are exceptions to this and there are quality jobs done in the US but they’re few and far between and you need serious money to access it. For the other 98 percent of jobs, just rush it and slap it up
>>2971502You sound like a commie. We love freedom over here, boy! You trying to get yourself killed?
>>2961531Tile is NOT WATERPROOFThe grout is exactly as waterproof as cotton balls
>>2961614It’s “luxury vinyl plank” which is some Orwellian term for “what if all the trashiness of vinyl, all the brittleness of tile, and the cost of hardwood?”Whoever came up with it genuinely needs to be tortured to death in the public square with a livestream, and a small plaque put up on the site explaining what he did so it never happens again.
>>2971502Part of the hollowing out of the middle class was the hollowing out of the middle of quality.I needed a glove box (picrel not the thing in your car). In the 2000s you could get a middle-of-the-road one for a few hundred dollars, what would now be 500-900 with inflation, and get one for hobbyists that was solidly built and last indefinitely.Now you can buy a toy that will collapse in a year for $80 or a certified industrial machine for $3,000.Mid level goods no longer exist.Then people that think they’re middle class like picrel gradually find out they’re lower class now and there are only lower class goods for them, including homes.So then Brad slowly realizes that even though he makes $100k as a police officer and his wife makes $80k as a nurse, the new build house they paid $600k for has the exact same construction quality as a mobile home, possible worse. Because there is no such thing as middle class quality goods and services any more.
>>2961523I’m convinced this was someone doing a renovation that was about to pull up the floors, and decided to do this beforehand to farm subscribers or something.
>>2961531I love working with home owners that think like this. They also say things like "What do you mean I shouldn't put that in the garbage disposal? That's what it's for!" and "What do you mean I shouldn't flush those wipes? They're called flushable wipes!" Thanks for keeping us retard handymen employed
>>2971555To be fair they are called flushable
>>2971569Any plumber on earth will tell you that's bullshit, but if you're too stupid to realize you shouldn't be flushing wipes in the first place, you deserve whatever sewer backups and repair bills are coming your way.
>>2971694Not even kidding there should be a class action lawsuit against the wipe makers then.
>>2961523>Why has construction gotten so shit over the past 20 years?Cost of materials, especially anything wood.
>>2971355It’s a fucking hammer… steel is steel.This is magical thinking.
>>2971932I'd imagine they probably have an asterisk and some fine print on the package to the tune of "check with a qualified plumber to make sure these wipes are safe for YOUR old ass sewer pipes, retard" but who knows. The kind of person who would flush wipes in the first place probably isn't literate anyways.
>>2972056>I'd imagine they probably have an asterisk and some fine printnope, they're a complete scam
>>2971694The very nature of them makes it retarded. They don't disintegrate when wet, so how are they flushable? I don't even flush TP anymore.
>>2972104The average American will believe literally anything if you write it on a product's packaging
>>2971346Why do you hate capitalism?
>>2970816What's holding the plywood in place?
>>2971555The difference between the US sewer system and Mexico's sewer system is that Mexico's sewers are not designed for paper or pulp, while the US sewer system pretends to beThe crazy thing about pipes is that no matter how well you design them, if you fill them up with pulp they will eventually get clogged like any other pipe
>>2972543you don't know what capitalism is.capitalism is the competition of the marketplace, makers making better products to compete against each other for the consumerkiller-acquisition is -not- capitalism, what we suffer now is corporatism .capitalism is in fact dead.
You guys are able to understand videos are edited right? You see the water on the floor and then when it cuts to show the quarter round failing all that left if the soap scum. Meaning the literally left the water to sweep into for the video. The next is that's snap and go flooring which is floating above the subfloor and is tied directly into the walls, without nails/screws/ whatever. The other thing with these hate new construction threads, is no one considers if it was properly installed. Yeah overall quality is down across the board, but people selling they can do the job is high. So people hire cheap and buy cheap and things like this happen. Even without the obvious fact they just water sit there, the floor was installed to tight. There is a reason why they ask for minimal gapping. >>2963173 this a retarded point. Based of this photo your showing roofing sheets thats meant to be waterproofed, that wasnt. And comparing it to some hardwood railing that's under cover. Osb is shit but your soffit, trusses and everything is fucked. Long before you can blame the shitty osb. Again, it's the people installing that failed. Im not exactly trying to defend the cheap shit products people use, but it doesn't get brought up enough that the person who installed them failed to do it properly. >>2963180I do timber framing, but where I am it has only been beams over 20t and posts over 15. And I the regular framing, set steel beams/ posts subflooring, sheeting, truss, roof sheeting.
>>2961524God help if you ever spill a bowl of soup in an amerimutt house lmao.Yeah I don't care, if your floor can't handle a splash of water without completely failing maybe the spics you hired to build your mcmansion did it wrong.
>>2961523Planned obsolescence.
>>2961524>1 liter of water=flooding your house
>>2961542What the fuck does that matter in that specific situation? You don't have any floor paneling in your shithole of a country and just walk on bare cement? I bet you would also clean a parquet floor with pic rel.t. Germoid
>>2972643Mate. Osb doesn't even need to be subjected directly to water. It will naturally turn to shit just because it *is* shit. You're going to defend compressed shit wood and glue? Get out of here.
