It's happening again.How is it possible that a furnace will not produce heat unless the filter is pulled out at least a couple inches? The furnace is not new, we did not have this problem years ago until a certain point, and apparently if you push the filter all the way in, it produces heat for only like a couple hours, and then stops doing so, leading us to pull the filter out to get it working again, and it only happens when it's really cold outside. Not moderately cold, it has to be "really cold", I guess in the mid 20s or less.Why does it only work briefly instead of not at all? Why the does the filter have to be pulled out, to get a runtime of more than like 2 hours? And why does it stop? Seriously, this makes no sense at all. Is there any furnace in the entire world besides ours that does this?
>>2962067What do you mean by stops producing heat? The big blower fan runs but it blows cold air? The draft inducer fan doesn't run? Nothing happens at all and the furnace shuts down?A furnace has a few safeties built into it which will shut it down if everything isn't working 100% right. The basic operation is:>draft inducer fan spins up to get a draft going in the burner, a pressure switch senses that the draft fan is working>some time later the ignitor heats up and glows red hot, you can see this through a little window>the gas valve opens and the burners fire up, you can hear this and see it>after some time the main blower fan kicks in to circulate the heat>a temperature switch mounted to the burners monitors for overheating, if the blower fan isn't working right then the burners will overheat and the switch will kill the furnace>the furnace will try to run a few times, if it fails to run properly a few consecutive times then it will soft lock out for like 24 hoursMy guess is your blower motor is getting weak which is causing the burner to overheat, the fan might be failing to start up. I had this problem some years ago because the oil in the motor 'bearings' dried up because the motor was open and completely exposed to all the dust the fan was sucking in. Not sure why it being really cold outside would affect the furnace, maybe your draft inducer fan has a hard time working in the cold? Maybe all the moisture from the burner isn't being condensed out and it's freezing on the vent outside?This is all a guess without knowing the error codes your furnace is throwing, there's a viewing window on the bottom door which should show an LED blinking and it should tell you what the error is when the furnace fails to start.
>>2962067I asked ai. Which you could have done and it your furnace is not getting enough airflow over the heat exchanger causing it to over heat and shut off. Pulling out the filter lets more air flow over the heat exchanger and lets it run. If its colder out you're probably running the furnace more so it over heats more. It says to check these things, 1. Dirty A-coilThis is #1 with a bullet.If it’s matted over, it cuts airflow by 30–70%.You can test this:Take out batteries from thermostat turn fan to ON pull the blower door feel the airflow.If it’s weak = coil is clogged or blower is dirty.2. Blower wheel clogged upPull the blower assembly — if the wheel has a felt blanket on the fins, airflow drops dramatically.3. Return is badly sized or partially blockedThis becomes glaringly obvious only when the furnace is under heavy load.Its ai so know that but it seems to make sense.
Is the filter new? Is it some stupid gimmick super filter? Do you have the flow direction correct? It has arrows to show direction of flow
>>2962077>What do you mean by stops producing heat?>The big blower fan runs but it blows cold air?Yes, it blows at the vents, but it's cold.>The draft inducer fan doesn't run?The inducer was not running when it was checked, but the blower fan was for some reason.The problem is, I wasn't the one looking at it. My dad does everything to it before I can even get to it, so this part is all second hand info. But the motor was definitely working earlier today, and producing heat. In fact, it was just replaced. I was hoping the filter was a red herring, and that once the motor crapped out for good and we had to replace it, that we wouldn't have to be dealing with this filter crap anymore, but no...This thing is such a pain in the ass to replicate because it takes forever for literally anything to happen. I should get back to you on if there's any codes it's throwing within a day, hopefully.
>>2962079>Is the filter new?Yes, it does that with new filters.We have some that are slightly thinner, but the filter was just pushed back in, so now we have to wait potentially hours before we can get any codes, just to see what it's doing "now", before we can even test the thinner filters.>Do you have the flow direction correct?Yes.
>>2962079>>2962116Oh yeah, and these are the type of furnace filter we use.
>>2962077>>2962111>What do you mean by stops producing heat?I should probably clarify that it runs for like a couple hours or less, before the air blowing out of the vents becomes cold. I don't know why the blower still runs during this.
>>2962077>>2962111>But the motor was definitely working earlier today, and producing heat. In fact, it was just replaced.The inducer fan (and motor). Goddammit, I'm losing my fucking mind over this.
>>2962077OP here.Okay, luckily we got a code in a short amount of time. It's giving a "Limit or flame roll-out switch lockout" code. And keep in mind, this only happens when the filter is pushed all the way in.>>2962079We just changed the filter to a slightly thinner one, so let's see if this one doesn't trigger it.
>>2962146The flame roll out switch is the overheating one, your blower is not blowing enough air so the furnace is locking out the burners. I think those expensive 3M filters are too restrictive for your blower, try one of the cheap thinner ones.
>>2962146Oh and blowers have multiple windings for multiple speeds, it could be that you need to use a faster speed for your heat cycle or maybe the blower isn't hooked up right if you say the motor was replaced. The speeds are selected by attaching the different colored winding spade connectors to different places on the relay block. Check the inside panel of the blower compartment, it will have a wiring diagram showing which color should go where.
Was the blower motor replaced or the draft inducer? If the blower motor wasn't replaced then I would start there, turn the fan by hand and see how much resistance there is, if it feels rough then then pull the motor out and try to oil the bearings, some motors have oil addition ports on the end plates, some don't and you have to take the motor apart.
>>2962155I swear we didn't used to have issues with these filters years ago, I had to live with us pulling the filters out partway for years already. It didn't used to be like this. And in a house with carcinogenic concrete dust floating around in the air from some bullshit incident about a decade ago, for some reason I'm the only one that actually cares about getting filtered air in the house...>>2962157I'll take a look.>>2962159>Was the blower motor replacedNo.>or the draft inducerYes, I said that earlier. It was replaced today, in fact, but this issue existed for years prior to it's recent replacement.>If the blower motor wasn't replaced then I would start thereI will also check the bearings.
damn this has been going on for over a month, good luck faggot.
>>2962162Thanks, you too, migger.
>>2962160>I swear we didn't used to have issues with these filters years agogoing off the other anon's statements>fan component degraded with age>now the same settings produce less airflow>lower airflow causes overheating and shutoff>quality filters reduce airflow, and this became an issue after the fans degraded to the point where they can no longer supply enough airflow to make up for the filter-induced drag>filters blocking airflow causes the issue, but isnt the root
>>2962155>>2962160We tested it out with thinner filters, it doesn't matter what filters we use, it still fucks things up.I think it might be the blower motor going bad. This stuff only started happening after the one time a filter was put in backwards, and the material blew in and covered the motor, preventing airflow. The shit probably oversped and partially fried the motor, weakening it, leading us to deal with that "pulling out the filter" crap for years. That's my theory, at least, until I actually get a closer look.Imagine a household with such bad living conditions that you always wanted nothing to do with it for the past 9 years, and being stuck living here with no where else to go, and have only recently started actually fixing crap yourself, because you've come to terms that your dull uncouth father can't keep his word, and can't do anything productive anymore.
>>2962202>>2962203Wow, literally posted within a minute, sorry anon.
>>2962204its alright. no need to trauma dump tho we've all got shitty families.
>>2962205I mean how would you feel being unemployed for too long, going stir crazy, and can't join the military because of delays, getting medical stuff cleared, and an incompetent recruiter who has issues with his phone (and for some reason still hasn't gotten a new one yet), or doesn't reply in time or both, and actually had a bad track record of saying he's going to do something but not doing anything and letting deadlines pass, the office having wrong hours on Google so I end up showing up in person on the wrong days, or otherwise just not being able to get a fucking response from my recruiter in a timely manner, when you're desperate for a change of scenery already?...
>>2962203>The shit probably oversped and partially fried the motorThey're induction motors, they can't go any faster than what they're wound for. You just need to take the motor apart and clean it + soak the bearing felt with oil.You need to chill out man, the same thing happened to me on a house that was only 10 years old. They design these things to fail so that you'll call the service man.
>>2962209I would feel incredibly lucky to not be part of such an organization where I have voluntarily given up all my freedom and am at the complete mercy of their incompetence.
>>2962212I mean, who knows if *every* furnace has induction motors for their blower... but hopefully I can fix mine without needing to buy a new one.
>>2962212>>2962216Also,>You need to chill out manThere is such a large quantity of bullshit happening right now, it's incredible...
>>2962214That's why I'm hoping to get promoted as fast as possible to get away from all the bullshit quicker. With all due respect, I'm not going in there to just be some grunt for a few years, I want to make a career out of this. I scored high enough on the tests that they said I would excel. And there are several family members that have actually had their lives fixed and sorted out by joining the military. Even one instance where the one that joined is doing very well after having retired, and his brother who didn't join's life is a mess currently. Like, on his 4th marriage, living in a double wide trailer home type mess. He's great at guitar and singing, but pretentious and uncharismatic enough to have thrown that opportunity for wealth and fame away...
>>2962209Go to a recruiter in a different town. Also, as ex-Army, don't go Army or Marines. Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy, in that order. If they won't take you, join the peace corps or something.
>>2962209im almost in the exact same position lmfao. broadcasting to the world your ills never ends well. if sharing a vulnerability isnt materially productive, you shouldnt do it because it may be used against you in our surveillance state cyberpunk dystopia.
>>2962225I was even considering just going to one in the same office, but I felt that might be a faux pas. I'm not his superior, but if I was, I would say he lacks discipline.>Also, as ex-Army, don't go Army or Marines. Air Force, Coast Guard, Navy, in that order.I was actually considering going to the Army, and if I didn't like it, I knew I could get transferred to a different branch. I figured there's always something I'm not gonna like about any of it anyway, might as well face the music and tough it out. It's better than me becoming a deadbeat, I can already see that path, and it's bullshit!
Mate you can't even sort out a heater without an emotional breakdown, how exactly are you going to 'get promoted fast'?The guy is probably dodging you on purpose.
>>2962227>broadcasting to the world your ills never ends well. if sharing a vulnerability isnt materially productive, you shouldnt do it because it may be used against you in our surveillance state cyberpunk dystopia.I mean, what difference does it make? I don't know... Maybe my family should've thought about that before abusing me for years and eroding my will. They only reason they're relatively fine people now is because I've practically been verbally abusing them back for years since I was a teenager, making them feel all the pain I was subject to growing up. I can't believe those people actually show remorse now, but it's time for me to go. There's no point in me staying here. I have to move out, but have no means to. That's why I'm joining the military, it's lucrative, and stable, and my family is borderline poverty.
>>2962229I mean, what do you think drill sergeants do? The whole point is channeling your emotions.
>>2962228Getting transferred to a different branch is a PITA. Your options are also limited by your MOS (job). Not a whole lot a demand for tank mechanics in the Air Force. Also, once you've done an enlistment or two they stop giving you bonuses or be accommodating in any way. You want to go to Germany? Should have ask when you signed up. We know you are a lifer and we are sending you to Fort Drum for 7 years. You want 10k for reenlisting? Fuck you. Enjoy Fort Irwin. Want to change your job? Your options are MOS 11B (infantry) and 92G (cook).Really though, it is not about the branch but how their treat their people. The Air Force gets more money per person than any other branch. Their facility are nice, they serve good food, their on base housing is nice. They Army gets the least amount of money per person. Everything is shit and they treat everyone like garbage. The Marines have that whole 'best of the best' bullshit going on and they prey on the stupid. Navy/Coast Guard is near the Air Force. Only difference is Coast Guard sticks around the US while the Navy is literally everywhere. Enjoy 14 months on a boat with nothing as far as the eye can see an shitty internet.Your ASVAB score says a lot about you. 31 will get you 11B. 65 will get you basically anything. 99 is the max. The test is a sliding scale. 99 means you scored in that top 1% of everyone that has ever taken the test. Remember, most people that take it are teens/early twenties and have limited options (IE poor and stupid) I've met plenty of 99s. Some were literally mouth breathers.As for promotions, you get 3 for free. You will be E-4 in 2 years if you don't fuck up. You will NEVER become an officer without a Bachelor's Degree. The pay difference is staggering. O-1 gets about the same as an E-8. It takes the few people that stick around 10-25 years to hit E-8. O-1 is someone fresh out of officer training. Different jobs also get promoted faster. Infantry promotes fast. Most other jobs don't.
>>2962236Jeez, no wonder why no one talks about the Army. Might as well go with the Navy, then. That's what my relative with the broke-ass brother did.>Your ASVAB score says a lot about you. 31 will get you 11B. 65 will get you basically anything. 99 is the max. The test is a sliding scale. 99 means you scored in that top 1% of everyone that has ever taken the test. Remember, most people that take it are teens/early twenties and have limited options (IE poor and stupid) I've met plenty of 99s. Some were literally mouth breathers.They gave me the PICAT, there's a bunch of numbers on the sheet they gave me with my scores, and I don't know how to read any of them. But the only number they pointed out that seemed to matter was at least in the 70s, so... They told me that was good. Looks like I scored the lowest for the Air Force/Space Force, probably cause I suck at math. Seems like you can take these tests as many times as you want though, in case I get smart, I guess.>You will NEVER become an officer without a Bachelor's Degree.What about if I go to officer training school, will they give me a degree? I heard the military can pay for my college. What about if I get a scholarship from the military, can I attend college while in the military just so I can get into officer training? Because officer training school is literally what I wanted to do.
>>2962261Getting a commission in any branch isn't a walk in the park and education is a base requirement. The military will pay for college if you are enlisted but you need the degree before you can apply for officer school. That said, you will be working full time in the military AND going to school. Your classes will be all book work and online courses. The Army called in the Green to Gold program and most of the people that I knew that went that route did some shitty easier BA or BS program just to get the degree out of the way without a care for what it would mean after they got out. They used their GI Bill money for their real education.There are also warrant officer programs, which are a different story. They fall between officers and enlisted. Pilots are warrant officer, for example. They start out that way but many others become warrant officers after being enlisted for several years. The requirements are lower but the pay isn't as good as an officer and even the lowest ranking officer still outranks you.I mean, it sounds to me like you really do not know what you are in for. What kind of job are you even looking at? Are you getting an enlistment bonus? Have they promised you a preferred duty station? What is your enlistment term? Can you swim 50 yards? How many pushups can you do? How quickly can you run 1.5 miles? Do you have any issues (dyslexia, ADHD, injuries, criminal record, shit like that)? Have you heard of terms like 'stop loss' or 'stop move'? Do you have a spouse/kids? If you do, are you comfortable literally not seeing them in person for a year at a time? And if you don't, for the love of god do NOT get married while in the service. Shit like in 'An Officer and a Gentleman' happens in real life. Don't buy a vehicle near base either. They will fuck you on it the terms. Wait until you have some money saved up to buy it in cash and then by one from your home town when on leave and drive it back to base.
>>2962268>I mean, it sounds to me like you really do not know what you are in for.I don't really expect to know anything before getting into anything anymore, that's how I've gone nowhere and wasted years of my life already, by thinking I needed to "learn everything first" instead of just doing things first. I'm already in my mid 20s, and have wasted years that I desperately wish I could get back. I don't care how horrible it is, the only other option is have a shitty boring life, and die poor. I'd rather do the former, than grow old feeling like I've accomplished nothing. It's better than suicide, but I guess my habit of dreaming big, is STILL fucking me over!>What kind of job are you even looking at?I don't know, we haven't even gone over the list of jobs I qualify for with my recruiter yet. If I actually got my physical done, instead of it being cancelled with my recruiter neglecting to tell me, leading me to spend two days staying at a hotel and wasting hours standing around at MEPS only to find out I wasn't supposed to be there that day, all for nothing, I would have it narrowed down already. I'm open to a lot of things, I'd rather see what I got first, instead of getting my hopes up for potentially nothing. At this point I'm just waiting for my medical shit to clear, because they told me they just need someone else to sign off on me and they could care less about everything, and they fucked up the wording, so I had to get that redone, and now I can't even get into contact with my recruiter...
>>2962268>>2962276(Cont'd)>Are you getting an enlistment bonus? Have they promised you a preferred duty station? What is your enlistment term?Haven't gotten to that stage yet.>Can you swim 50 yards?Probably extremely slowly.>How many pushups can you do?I have no idea, but its definitely gotta be less than 20,>How quickly can you run 1.5 miles?I don't know either.>Do you have any issues (dyslexia, ADHD, injuries, criminal record, shit like that)?Not really.>Have you heard of terms like 'stop loss' or 'stop move'?No.>Do you have a spouse/kids?Hell no! I'll never get married in service, I'm already far too aware of what happens, there.>Don't buy a vehicle near base either.I already have a car, two in fact. I'm not sure how viable it was going to be to even take either with me if I'm gonna be living on base all over the country, let alone outside the country, so I was probably just gonna leave them sitting at home.
>>2962268>>2962277Oh yeah, they told me they wanted me to do the physical so they can see what to waive. I was supposed to go into basic training, anyway.
>>2962277>Can you swim 50 yards?>Probably extremely slowly.>How many pushups can you do?>I have no idea, but its definitely gotta be less than 20,>How quickly can you run 1.5 miles?>I don't know either.I'm just gonna throw this out there. There is a weight requirement. If you are too far above it (or below it) they won't even let you into basic training. If you are within a certain limit they will let you in but they will require you to drop below a certain weight before you can leave basic training. Being in fat camp in the military is not fun.Also, the pushup requirement is around 40 in under a minute. These all depend on your age. The run is 1.5 miles in about 13.5 minutes or less. You have to hit a certain minimum to get get into basic but that is what you need to get out.Now remember, you are going to be doing that shit and more 5 times a week for the rest of you career. It will wear you out. Not a single person I have met that retired from the service didn't have serious medical issues from all the wear and tear. If you enlist at 25 you can require with half pay at 45. Physically, you will be 60. You will be like an old football player. I did 4 years and I've got fallen arches and arthritic knees from all the fucking running I had to do. At 10 years I probably would have been medically retired. Shit, I knew people that serious problems in basic. One guy literally broke a hip from all the running and rucking we had to do. They medically retired him and he's fucking cripple now. We had a dozen people at any given time on crutches and everyone had feet issues.
>>2962284We're a bunch of fat fucks. I'm over 25 and got fallen. Arches too. It's because you don't walk all day and are a fat fuck. Get some.insoles from a podiatrist
>>2962284I would be more concerned about being underweight, cause I generally am, just dont know what the minimum requirement is, but my recruiter didn't mention it being a problem. If I can get in shape, then great.
>>2962288Not him, but this is why I prefer shoes with wide toe boxes. I also wear them with toe spreaders, it's just better for your feet.
>>2962288I was in decent shape when I joined. I was 149 pounds to start and I was 155 when I developed flat feet. I was about 160 when knees started giving me trouble and that weight was all muscle. I'm 5' 10". I have naturally high arches and I didn't spend much time on my feet prior to the Army, comparatively. That is to say, I wasn't literally standing around not moving for hours at a time. You do a lot of that in the Army. After 18 months, running 3 times a week, and wearing boots all the time I had shin splints like a motherfucker. This was after months of complaining about my feet. In both cases their response was "Here's some ibuprofen. Drink water." Finally, after three fucking years of complaining and being told 'You just need to acclimate to the standing. You are just trying to get out of running. You just need to suck it up" a new PA said, oh, yeah, you have fallen arches. Get that checked. I got arch supports and everything fucking changed. The shin splints went away, I could run without wanting to kill myself after, and standing in formation was no longer as big of a chore.You will hear stories like this from a ton of people in the military. Incompetent doctors, a culture of 'suck it up', and quite shit living conditions. There is a reason trench foot is still a problem in the modern military. There is a reason why you keep hearing about drug use and rapes being covered up. Why suicide rates of vets is much higher than the civilian population. Hell, our base had signs at all the entrances listing the number of days since a solder had gotten themselves killed in a car accident and it never went above 30.
>>2962414>Hell, our base had signs at all the entrances listing the number of days since a solder had gotten themselves killed in a car accident and it never went above 30.Are you being serious? Even if the numbers were that high, why would they do this? How many people were on the base?
>>2962427Fort Hood has so many that the last time it hit 100 days without a traffic fatality it made the news and they gave everyone a day off.https://www.army.mil/article/17183/100_days_fort_hood_passes_safety_milestone_lynch_awards_training_holiday>Installed during the Spring of 2002 in an effort to heighten awareness following fatal privately owned vehicle accidents involving Fort Hood Soldiers and Department of the Army civilians working at or assigned to the Great Place, the signs display the number of days since the latest traffic fatality.>The last accident-free period of at least 100 days occurred Aug. 6-Nov. 21, 2006, when no Soldier was involved in a fatal accident for 107 days. III Corps Safety Officer Mel Kelder said.>The most recent time Fort Hood came close to 100 days without a traffic fatality was 98 days from Oct. 5, 2007, to Jan. 12, 2008.>Since the signs were emplaced, the record number of fatality-free days was 252, from June 6, 2003 to Feb. 13, 2004.
>>2962508What the actual fuck…
>>2962414I have high fallen arches too, I had them all my life and didn't really notice and was told off by doctors until I was like 25 or 27 when I went directly to a podiatrist. Yeah it was a crazy change too.Doctors suck and we're dumb kids.
>>2962205What the fuck, I don't. My people are cool.
>>2962508Young male owners auto insurance is expensive for good reason. Signs are a realistic way to dealt with death since accidents normally kill far more US troops than combat due to the large number of personnel. It was normal when I drove through Bragg while I was at Pope to see "days since last fatality" unit signs.
>>2963166Not him, but I know the #1 killer of cops in the US are actually traffic accidents, too.
>>2962203A 5 inch filter has more surface area (airflow) than a 1"Don't use a Merv 11Use a Merv 0-4
>>2963787What do you mean "5 inch filter"? Cause it's not 5 inches thick, and it's not 5 inches long or wide, either.I haven't bought a single filter in my life, personally, but if this is actually a real thing and not a typo, then that's a retarded system of measurement and the person who invented that should repent, because he's definitely going to hell for forcing us to use something this ridiculous and misleading.
>>2963868What kind of furnace is it? Some furnaces actually take a fiberglass filter in the airbox because the purpose is to trap big particles and keep hair and shit out of the blower motor, not air quality. If you want an air filter, you are typically meant to put them in the air vents into the rooms themselves. If I had to guess about what's happening, the box isn't getting enough airflow over the extended runtime and it's shutting down the heat cycle.
>>2963903>What kind of furnace is it?Carrier Performance 93 from 2004.
>>2963868>What do you mean "5 inch filter"?I just meant thicker ones have better airflow, not worse. 2" thick has better airflow than 1", etc.This is such because they are accordion style, so a 5" slat has way more surface area for the air to pass through than a 1" one.And, you don't want a small particle filter (Merv 11, in your case), as they restrict airflow too muchFor air filtration, look into box fan + filter setups. There is an active thread on them.
>>2964004That's nonsense, speak English!
