/balding/ and /finasteride/ general - hair is love, hair is life!Sticky: http://tuxbell.com/index.php/BaldingReminder that if you can clearly see down to your scalp when your hair is wet, your hair is thinning, lots of small new hairs sprouting at the hairline or crown is a sign of hair recession.Holy trinity:Tabs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FinasterideLotion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MinoxidilShampoo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KetoconazoleFinasteride/Dutasteride are 5-alpha reductase inhibitors that prevent free T from being converted to DHT, a byproduct of testosterone that serves no purpose after puberty but to choke out your hair follicles and make them thin out and die in a few short years, a condition known as androgenic alopecia.5ar inhibitors prevent your hair from getting any worse, mild regrowth is expected, rapid onset diffuse thinners see a significant recovery on fin alone. Can be taken orally or topically.5ARIs are not dosage dependent, taking as little as as 0.2mg daily fin can reduce serum DHT by 68%, while 5mg reduces by 72%.0.5mg daily dut reduces serum DHT by 95%, but is considered a second line treatment, and can be more expensive and harder to get prescribed. Start with fin.Fin has been used to treat benign prostatic hyperplasia (BPH) for 30+ years, it's very well studied and is tolerated well in almost all men, however, there's a 1-2% risk of erectile issues in controlled studies.These can be avoided by reducing dosage, spacing out dosage, or stopping the drug. Fin takes days to fully bio-accumulate, the half life of fin is about 8 hours, adverse effects occuring within minutes of starting fin or persisting long after stopping fin are not real and have no basis in reality. Please note that dut has a much higher half-life of 5 weeks, if you're prone to fin sides, dut may cause them for far longer.Refer to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481923/ before responding to PFS trolls.(continued on next post)
Minoxidil (liquid and tabs) is a vasodialator that opens potassium channels and widens blood vessels bringing nutrients to your hair follicles, stimulating them into thickening, accelerating growth and elongating the growth phase. Min is taken with fin to restore your hair to it's original hairline, thickness and vigor when hair loss is caught early enough, (pre-NW2). Can be taken orally or topically.Topical min does not work in 1/3 of men because they lack the required enzymes in their scalp, all men have this enzyme in their liver so the oral route is a good fallback.The FDA formulation for 5% liquid minoxidil is food safe (vape juice, ethanol and water) and can be safely taken orally if oral min tabs are expensive or rarely prescribed where you live. As a general rule, ~4 drops (0.1ml) = 5mg minoxidil.There's a 1-2% risk of fluid retention with higher oral dosages, start with the lowest dosage possible and work your way up when you're sure it's well tolerated.Ketoconazole is an anti-androgen and antifungal that inhibits DHT on the scalp and used to treat fungal infections of the scalp that may be making your hair loss worse such as seborrheic dermatitis, a condition where you exhibit severe greasy, flaky large dandruff flakes with dried yellow crystals (blood plasma) embedded in the scalp. Some people may only have traction alopecia (hair loss from scratching or friction), but it will not cure androgenic alopecia on it's own. Can only be taken topically.Do not use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits testosterone and, by extension, DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-androgen for male to female HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically higher risk of sexual side effects in men including ED, gynecomastia, and can cause potassium toxicity.Previous thread: >>18518132
Fellow finbros what is your baldsona? I had long hair before I got on fin and it shed a lot as my new hair grew in, so I have a thick layer of short hair and a long, wispy layer I just keep slicked back until things are even enough I can get a good cut.But what this means is I can guess how my balding pattern would have looked if I didn't take fin, and apparently I was headed right for "bald crown with a tuft at the front of the forehead territory", aka the ugly bastard phenotype.
>>18529599Bald crown consuming everything outwards with an intact hairline. Like a rectangle shape instead of a big circular spot
>45 days on fin>still non-existent sex drive>can still perform and even enjoy it, but just never get the urge>no change in erection hardness or ejaculate volumeThis is on 0.5mg dailyI guess this is a good thing when you're alone anyway? Saving me a lot of time and energy.
>>18529599If I didnt have bangs, Vegeta. Very strong crown.
Starting topical fin soon. Is .1% once a day too much? It's mixed with 6% min.
I'm losing hair due to hypothyroidism.
>>18529599Mine is the classic horseshoe, most of my family has it and before I hopped on dut, my hair was thinning out all over the top, but the sides and back were thick, so I got zero doubts about it.
>>18529599>Fellow finbros what is your baldsona?Significant diffuse thinning all over the top. Frontal hairline is intact but thinned out. Temples are like NW2.5 on the left side and NW2 on the right. Left side of the mid scalp is significantly thinner than the right side also...I hear most guys have it worse on the right side but for me it's the opposite.Been on fin since early last year which improved my situation a little. Switching to dut 0.5 MWF soon to see if it'll help further, although I doubt it. I'll be looking into transplantation options if not.
There's no way to come back from late norwood stages is there
Use spirolactone. Spirolactone is a diuretic which, in large doses, inhibits DHT.It is regularly prescribed as an anti-estrogen for female to male HRT, and thus, comes with an astronomically lower risk of sexual side effects in men.
>>18530188This is weak bait.
>>18530183Generally no the exception being diffuse pattern loss. A hyper response to oral min may be able to yield good enough results if you're extremely lucky combined with fin to prevent further loss.
>>18530188baiting people into ruining themselves for fun is something only a tranny could doyou are a diseased and sick human
Time to coom today (first of the day, 19:43). Finasteridebros, this is insane.
Girl at work asked for my hair routine, so glad I started taking finasteride
anyone else have anxiety about some little shit kid trying to touch their hair at the airport or on the flight after a transplant before the grafts really set in?I know it's irrational but it makes me angry thinking about it, really hope it doesn't happen
>>18530300welp, here's hoping hair cloning becomes a thing in the next 30 years
>>18530340You have nothing to lose by trying at least. Remarkable comebacks do happen every once in a while.
>>18530343any chance for gyno being side effect?
>>18530188this is the most insecure outfit i've ever seen, covering your entire body outline despite already being rail thin
>>18530347If your hormonal levels are already fucked then maybe
Level with me here, guys. Is oral minoxidil really that dangerous for one's cardiovascular health? I have long hair, and I don't really want to deal with the mess that comes with using topical minoxidil solutions. I'm considering 2.5mg oral minoxidil. Do you guys think that should suffice, or should I push my doctor to prescribe 5mg?
>>18530549people take up to 40mg for treating cardiovascular issues 5mg is nothing. you can try taking topical min orally for the same result, info is in the OP
>>18529599rectangle peninsula hairline. Probably going to stannismaxx at some point.
Some of us are just doomed from the beginning huh
I'm so jealous of baldies who say balding is the worst thing that happened to them. That must mean their lives are almost perfect if that's the worst thing, I'd gladly switch places with them
Almost 4 months on fin. If my blading stops right here, then I can live with that. But some regrowth would be kino.
>>18530748Have you considered oral min?
>>18530627This guy can definitely try Fin for a few months at least. Hairline is fucked but otherwise it's mostly miniaturised.
>>18530627that was me when I was 18combination of shit genes and family situtation made go to late norwood stages I tried some random fin spray to rub into my head but it didn't do anythingIf I could turn back time I would definetly try harder with more meds and things like shampoos and conditioners to keep my hair
>day 10 on oral min>mustve shed at least 100 hairs when I took a shower this morning>facial hair is growing noticeably faster, I have to shave every 2 days instead of 3 now
I've started dating an 8/10 18yo twink and I can now say with 100% certainty that dut hasn't messed with my libido a single bit
Asked about side effects and a lack of force a few days ago. On that same day, I nutted incredibly. Problem has vanished since then. No issues anymore. Just busted a few ropes to HUNT-441 and two other nuts earlier in the day with no problems. Month 3 of Finasteride right now
>>18530839Faggot.
>>18530839kill yourself disgusting homofaggot
Why SHOULDN'T you get a hair transplant?
>>18531125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9euN8lf6O_0&ab_channel=InjertocapilarEspa%C3%B1aThere isn't any reason not to. Mucking about with meds past the age of 22 is pointless. If you don't get results, just stay on 1mg fin and get an HT. The results are insane if you get a good surgeon. Just 3k grafts completely transforms this guy's hair.
>still got a years worth of finasteride after switching to dutfuck
Was going to hop on oral min in the next month but decided not to for the time being. Gonna give this a go:https://minoxidilmax.com/product/dualgen-15-with-pg-15-minoxidil-for-regular-skin-type15% Min for 6 months to see if it produces anything more than the 5% Rogaine I was using, mostly once a day during the 1.5 years I tried it.
Where can I find a comb over guide. Society treats this like it's illegal.
>>18531237micro needling will improve topical results
Due to crippling depression I let my hair get to Norwood 5 or maybe even 6, before I dusted myself off and try to live life again. There's nothing that I can really do about my horseshoe and I should look into transplants, right? Seems like a waste when most people get on fin+min at a way earlier stage than myself.
>>18531276You will need to get on fin+min if you get a transplant anyways. Just get on fin min now and you will probably make up a lot of lost ground unless you're a already a scar tissue chrome dome. Pic related after about a year or so on fin+min of various types, first topical for a couple months then tablet fin and topical min for a couple more months, now tablet fin+min.I think eventually getting an FUE transplant done by only the most reputable competent physician in turkey or elsewhere would be a good idea if/when there's money to do so.
>>18531265tried, did nothingmicroneedling studies are iffy as fuck
>>18531377sounds like a non responder to topical then
>>18531433to 5%, yes
>>18531464You should just switch to oral as planned then. 15% isnt going to work either and is way above and beyond the safety guidelines. It's also really expensive
>>18531875You have no idea what you're talking about lmaoon literally every point in that post
>>18531909Post hair then
>>18531909A topical concentration of 15% minoxidil (150mg per dose) in combination with micro needling would yield on average nearly 15mg of systemic absorption, 3x higher than the standard dosage of oral minoxidil for hair loss. Not exactly safe but we may have a difference of opinion.Removing the micro needling would yield about ~2 mg of systemic absorption or less than half the standard dosage for treating hair loss.Since he is not responding to a topical concentration of 5% combined with micro needling it's fair to say he is in fact lacking the SULT1A1 enzyme in his scalp making anything but systemic absorption a pointless exercise.To summarize he would be paying $45 USD a month to either A) receive a half dose equivalent of oral minoxidil without micro needling or a monumental 15mg dose equivalent of oral in combination with micro needling. No matter how you spin it this is objectively worse than simply taking oral min in every aspect.
Microneedling has to be some voodoo type shit. I injure my scalp with a bunch of needles every week, then pray and somehow new hair grows out, even in spots where I never had hair before.
>>18531987I'm convinced it doesn't work, people microneedle then smear in minoxidil, it's just making it go systemic, just take it orally
>>18531963topical systemic absorption is not as fast as oral systemic absorption, otherwise even standard rogaine would produce the idiosyncratic sides that loniten doesyou people are retarded & brown
>>18532047rest of your post is equally retarded but I really don't feel like debunking more, 90% of this board is a bunch of miscegenated teenagers anyway
>>18532047topical absorption from standard rogaine is half a mg per 1ml so obviously not you fool.
>>18532050and as a matter of fact even such a small dosage does produce idiosyncratic sides in many people using topicals. heart palpitations and fluid retention are quite common *rare* sides of topical min.
