heroin ivygrunge academiaslackademia
>>18549944>>18549946jesus christ it's john constantine
>>18549944Alcoholic English teacher... so tuff...
>>18549944That's not new. All you did is mutt up existing styles into hideous abominations.
>>18549944retarded
>>18549944Is black people-Ivy is "Black-Ivy"'Heroin-Ivy' should be *Smack-Ivy*I say all of this -- as the saying goes - "For the Love of Ivy."
>>18549959id say its relatively newalso thats what every new style is, some amalgamation of pre-existing ones>>18549990ok ok i see it...
>>18549944call it grunge slackadamia
>>18549944>NewEveryone's starting to look like a Gant advertisement with the beige car/trench coat.
maybe just IV
>>18550200too clean, too bright, too "new york zillenial hipster"
>>18550049>its relatively new>all inspo posted so far is 30 years oldcome on son, they're just clothes
>>18550200why does he hobomax?
italians finally make it to harvard
>>18550255ok, so not really new, but a sorta new way of looking at it is what i mean
>>18549944All the decent pics in this thread are english lads
>>18550200one of the main parts of this look is looking dirty, worn in, kinda grungethis pic is too shiny and new
>>18549944OP, as a fan of the prep and ivy style, I actually appreciate that you've tried to look at it through a new lens and try to get some new inspo out of a tired, stuffy, old style.the /tip/ people adhere to these strict arbitrary rules and it comes off as costumey and larpyi like that the stuff you posted looks lower class, yet still trying to be "nice" menswear, just with a gritty edginess to it
>>18552575excellent bait
>>18552705>>18549944>i like that the stuff you posted looks lower class, yet still trying to be "nice" menswear, just with a gritty edginess to itAin't this just rock fashion?
>>18552705>>18552745https://www.johnsmedley.com/uk/discover/mod-style/
>>18552705yeah, its a style that really works for me as someone who "knows all the rules" and has reverence for the classic style, but knows that it doesn't work for the person he is. I'm not a rich guy, most of my stuff is second hand from thrift stores and ebay, and im generally more of a punk at heart anyway so i like to be a little loose and whimsical with it. The whole idea really is that its applying the /tip/ formula to pieces that wouldn't be found in the average rich wannabe-WASP /tip/sters wardrobeSport coats with a trendy, off-beat style, looser fits, wearing ties with shirts that maybe aren't the white-collar "wear-with-a-tie-kind", literally anything but proper dress shoes, and sweaters that are more mark renton than fair-islethrow in the occasional callback to subcultural menswear styles (mod, teddy boy, skinhead, ska) and you're goldenOne of my favorite examples is Jack Blacks character in school of rock, where its obvious he's trying to put together a "ivy schoolteacher" look out of pieces that a broke rock nerd like him would happen to have already, like short-sleeve printed shirts, suede sneakers, clip-on bowties, and skater-fit corduroys. On paper, by the traditional menswear playbook, these shouldn't make for a cohesive look, but they do. it dances the line
>>18552758also, his apartment is gorgeous. literal dream interior
>>18552758Doug Devious... I should have known this thread was you.
>>18549944>new aesthetic i came up with>it's literally a character from a 90's movie
>>18552763This is the exact same as every Doug thread where its some new style he claims he created but its just 20th century menswear pieces rearranged with sneakers.
>>18552744>jonny lee miller>ewan macgregor>johnny rotten/lydon>pete dohertyThank you, all fortunate enough to be considered english instead some mystery meat burger mutt
>>18552765hey, sue me, i know what I like. Every so often i find a new way of approaching/articulating it. At least this time im trying to articulate a style thats a little more broad than just sneakers, a lot of other shoes can work for this, especially half-dressy work/milsurp boots like solovairs or austrian memeboots>>18552957won't lie, the inspirations here are indeed mostly white and anglocentric, but I'm not gonna say its only for whites, its for anyone it speaks to, reallylately it feels like menswear has become something of a meme, where all discussion and aesthetic flows downstream of brand-oriented cargo cults and religious adherence to either pure period dress or a homogenized "mediterranean-inspired" professionalist prescriptivism. Its become incestuous, theres very little room for inspiration or expression outside of that, its seemingly only for people whos only thing about themselves they can really "say" with their style is "i am an urban professional with disposable income who is into this general style" and nothing else. nothing aspirational, countercultural, or offbeat, because the people who would, or could come at it from such an angle can't penetrate the bubble. I'm trying to paint a picture of a style that deliberately decouples itself from all that, in spirit and in process
>>18552705agreed>>18552758I find your post interesting but he looks like SHIT in your picrel (IMO obviously). I have a feeling this style will just end up looking like that one autist, you know the one. In fact now that I think of it maybe you're him. I hope not for everyone's sake>>18549944This actually looks cool though
>>18549948>>18549946>>18549944But these guys were low class trash loser junkies. The only reason they're dressed up like this is for court or a funeral or something, can't remember it's been ages since I watched it. But they are literally society's trash and only dress up like this when they're forced to
>>18549944To Dpug or whomever is the OP, this style you "just came up with" is quintaessentialy british. It draws heavily from mod and 60's british culture, with a bit of football aesthetic thrown on it.I'd suggest you to research mod and skin culture, pub rock, british invassion, 90's brit pop and maybe watch a few episodes of The Sweeny.
>>18552765But truth be told, Trainspotting is quite the /fa/ film. I remmember getting inspo from it when I watched it in my late teens and early 20s. I did take more from Renton than Sickboy, though.
>>18549944wow be hot and bleach your hair. so novel
>>18554758the costume dept did a really good job in balancing the fact that these junkies are completely broke but still care about their appearance and what they wear
>>18553379How to cop this style>buy a suit>buy sneakers>wear sneakers with the suit instead of loafers or dress shoes>dye your hair some atrocious color like bright orangeVoila. Tu est Doug
>>18549944>heroin ivy>grunge academia>slackademiaSounds like a lamer version of Constantine
>>18554249Sick Boy (the guy in OP) is always dressed like this in Trainspotting.
>>18549944Same actor and same style in Elementary as Holmes.
>>18552705The clothes being slightly disheveled and worn-in was always part of /tip/. The nice thing about a traditional style is you can beat the shit out of clothes for decades without them going out of style. If the queen of england can wear a 60 year old barbour then so can you.
>>18557441was he the aids one?
>>18550245>zillenial No such thing.
>>18554247>>. I have a feeling this style will just end up looking like that one autist, you know the one. In fact now that I think of it maybe you're him.Doug devious is the king of this board
>>18554753oh i've definitely looked into that, the mod/skin/punk stuff and all>>18554247i mean, i will admit that for most of my history here my fits have been kinda shitty and not in the cool way. if you have any pointers, feel free.>>18557612trvth nvke>>18557596true but doesn't doesn't really contradict what hes saying, or what im saying in >>18553379
I don't think everything needs to be a -core or an aesthetic particularly. But I do actually agree with the general sentiment that's being expressed here. In terms of what I actually enjoy wearing, and think I look good wearing, I prefer traditional menswear to anything else. But the imagery and general cultural associations that trail along behind traditional menswear nowadays don't do anything at all for me. It all feels quite cartoonish and unreal and distant from my own life. Distant from almost everybody in the world's life, moreover. I'm not a member of the Martha's Vineyard Yacht Club. I'd be out of place at an English country estate or an Italian sockless loafers terrace party. I don't dream of luxury, quiet or otherwise. I certainly don't care about How To Style Old Money Polo Shirt Best Menswear In 2025 (etc etc)And all this has led me to some kind of preppy or "academia" kind of look. I don't really like those labels either, as they speak to ultimately just a different caricature of social exclusivity (based on academics instead of wealth) which doesn't apply to my own life either. I'm not trying to evoke that style intentionally, but I think that's where you end up if you wear sport coats, slacks, knitwear, tweed, etc, but you're a little shabby and second-hand about it, as I am. Unironically, I do actually think ancient Jack Black in >>18552758 is a good evocation of the sort of look I think is tasteful. tl;dr I really don't think Doug-core is the worst thing in the world, although the Tumblr sexyman stylings aren't quite to my tastes so much
>>18550200>>18550245instagram is popularizing this "cleaned up" hipster look, midwestern normgroids and their mexican slaves cant actually into "looking filthy on purpose" because they are, in fact, filthy. so instagram marketing algo repurposes it to make it aspirational. they need to view the product as "cleaner" than themselves in order for it to be exported from NY and LA
>>18549944>>18549946>>18549948>>18549948>>18552705>>18552758>zoomers gaslighting each other into thinking they invented punk
>>18558577My man that is a very eloquent phrasing of something I feel very deeply. I like a lot of the elements of traditional menswear, but not so much the context and associations.Like you said, I'm not trying to fit in with some country club or corporate scene. I'm not looking to do "old money" or "tumblr rizz" or whatever specific style I've seen online. I'm just a dude who likes what they like.Frankly, I think it's far more interesting to experiment with what you wear, even if it's not perfect, than to default to something safe but inexpressive.
>>18558667You look like a normie dad from anytime from the 1970s onwards
>>18558667You are dressed like a twin peaks character.
>>18557097Another brit staple.
>>18558577>>18558667I'm more a workwear guy but lately I've grown tired of wearing jrans and flannels almost exclusively. I wanted to reach out to trad menswear for this fall but I face a similar connumdrum that you guys do.Here's some ideas I've been pondering. This is jist me thinking aloud:The idea is to take a page or two from the menswear book but giving it a twist to appear presentable but not boring. But at the same time it should look kinda effortless and not thoughtful. Sorta like a divorced middleaged dude whose wife is no longer there to pick his fits so he just throws on stuff hoping it'll do because he's clueless.Or sorta like a poor loser from a big city who wants to look presentable enough to pick up barfly women at the nearest dive bar a la Henry Chinaski, but all he has are hand-me-downs and whatever he can steal from the donation bin at the church.Or even Tom Waits drinking buddy all dressed up to watch him play at a moldy venue. A hobo with his sunday clothes.The strategy to achieve the intetsection of all of this would be:-Everything has to look somewhat worn it. Trift, raid your dad's or even your grandad's closet.-Be bold with the color palette, don't be afraid to mix colors that normally you woukdn't mix, avoid safe choices.-Mix textures, fabrics and patterns, wool, tweed, corduroy, plaid... lean more towards maximalism than minimalism-Don't shy away from accesories, ties even if the occasion doesn't require them, hankerchiefs, rings, bracelets, watches, of course belts, maybe hats or headwear of some kind.-Make sure you have a statement piece on every outfit, usually a blazer or coat, the kind that characters in noir novels wear when they say "I was wearing my good jacket when I first saw her".Well, I dunno, maybe I'm just talking bollocks but I just want to have some fun this fall.
>>18558783You're speaking my (>>18558667) language here. I think the main point here is that we're not using menswear elements as a cohesive practical business uniform (I.E. suit and tie corporate wear to signal professionalism) but rather as a template for personal expression. You're not wrong about that tension between being intentional and seeming effortless. Normie male fashion seems to me to be broadly centered around either practical function or apathetic leisure without a lot of room either for experimentation.
>>18558577i'm glad you "get it" as far as what i'm trying to evoke herefunny, michael ginsberg was definitely one of the characters i had in mind when i was sorta "formulating" this vibe, which you could also call "mailroom chic", you know, not exactly on the upper end of the corporate ladder, but still doing his best anyway, like moss from IT crowd or Ed Nygma in season one of Gotham>>18558586punk comes and goes, sometimes by different names, different perspectives, this is just another angle of it>>18558684>>18558748absolutely nothing wrong with that>>18558790>but rather as a template for personal expression.nice to see some people are getting what my whole style ethos has been about since day 1 on this board (though i will admit i went way fuckin overboard, specially with the 4 button fuschia corduroy triple-pleated-patch-pocket custom suit from aliexpress lmao)>picrel: dirk gently 2010 (his wardrobe in that show is peak "smack ivy")i wish it was still easy to find patterned shirts from 70s second-hand, at least ones that aren't pure polyester/rayon
>>18558790>Normie male fashion seems to me to be broadly centered around either practical function or apathetic leisure without a lot of room either for experimentation.Yes, and in the instances when thete's room for selfexpression within menswear, it's usually to signal status and wealth. I don't want to larp as a rich guy. The inspiration would be a poor man with dignity. Taking inspo from the hobos of the 20s and 30d, the beatniks of the 40s and 50s, the jazz musicians from the 60s. That sorta stuff.
Grunge academia is old news I'm on psychedelic academia now
>>18558801>the jazz musicians from the 60sthis might be a good article for some inspo thenhttps://alittlebitofrest.com/2017/01/09/ryan-goslings-style-in-la-la-land/
>>18549944This entire look was already done by Hedi Slimane through Peter Doherty. You’re just echoing the past.
>>18559071ones again /fa/ is late to the party
>>18559071>You’re just echoing the past.ceci de la mode n'est-ce pas
>>18558800>i wish it was still easy to find patterned shirts from 70s second-hand, at least ones that aren't pure polyester/rayonYeah, I like wearing seventies stuff because I think it has the right sort of scruffy, sleazy implications to it. Plus it's not a decade that's ever come back into fashion for men, and today the image of seventies masculinity is seen as absurd more than anything else. If I wear a seventies blazer and shirt, it's a statement that I'm not trying to be suave or debonair or anything like that. But at the same time it's still essentially solid menswear - it's not preposterous or costume-like in the way that, say, a seventies leisure suit would be.I sadly agree that nice big-collar shirts from the period are oddly hard to find nowadays. The lurid 100% polyester Saturday Night Fever style ones seem more common than the tasteful ones. I guess maybe people just wore out their tasteful ones, whereas they tossed their tacky ones in the back of the closet and forgot about them once the eighties arrived.
>>18558783The way you describe it, I can't help but think of Kramer from Seinfeld.
>>18559624Kind of, if you lean a bit more on eccentricity. Kramer was a ridiculous character -everyone on Seinfeld was-, but undeniably fa.
>>18552758you dont actually wear a bow tie and belt buckle and tweed in public do you anon?
>>18559724no, of course i don'ti wear a bow tie and SUSPENDERS and tweed in publici've never found belts comfortable unless im wearing high waist pants
>-Mix textures, fabrics and patterns, wool, tweed, corduroy, plaid... lean more towards maximalism than minimalismquite on the money i'd say
>>18560103i love button-up sweater vestscharacter is Q from the daniel craig bond films>>18558783forgot to include the (you) last post
>>18560103>>18560105He looks terrible. He looks like a Weezer fan or a Neutral Milk Hotel fan.
>>18560111yes he does. i think its a good look
>>18560111>He looks like a Weezer fan or a Neutral Milk Hotel fan.Sold.
>>18560151It's not meant to be a good look, it's meant to typify awkward nerdy incel type.
>>18560157We know
Doug, you should be Brautiganmaxxing.
>>18560170who tf is that>>18558800dirk gently 2010 also has a great soundtrackhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubpmzhMot_ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8D__ThgqwYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLR3_TeMEqEyou can watch the whole series for free on youtube, only like 5 episodes but its some genuine kino, (and nothing like the max landis series)
>>18560732Richard Brautigan. An underrated american writer.
>>18549944>slackademiaNo you didn't>>18547115 i18544359 s meCharlatan!
>>18549946>>18549946u should see how much attention i get as a handsome white lad with bleached hair in a button up shirt. its INSANE
>>18560981I'd sucker punch you white boy
>>18552758>>18553379>>18558577>>18558667>>18558783First post I’m posting itt. While I feel you guys and agree on almost everything I’ve read, I also do believe you’re mistakingly overthinking. My two cents are very simple: you like life but you kill it with reason – which is the opposite of life. Life is expressed through the state and appearance of your clothes, it’s something that is IN them, but as long as you think about how to express, shine, irradiate it, you are killing it. Paradoxically, the more you care the more you won’t achieve it. Even the idea of getting everything secondhand is product of overthinking – you really believe those people in films who shine life, lived life through their clothes never bought a new garment? Because, what’s wrong with spending a fair amount of money in something new and of good quality? You will live it, as long as you wear it without overthinking. Designing “cores” and “styles” is ultimately what’s preventing you from achieving what you want, i.e. that patina, or more broadly but at the same time more accurately speaking, that LIFE shed by clothes.>I don't think everything needs to be a -core or an aesthetic particularlyThis is ultimately what I would emphasize the most and the core point you’re kinda overlooking imo.
>>18549944>new aesthetic i came up withNigga u really think u invented doing drugs in college ?
>>18549944>i came up withIf there are already pictures of it, you didn't fucking come up with it, you literal extra chromosome carrying turbo moulie
>>18549944this is just 80s new wave
>>18549944love it! I'm in
>>18549944this is just poorfag wanting to look /tip/py and failing
>>18560155knit polo as a middle layer is an interesting move>>18560977hehe>>18561385not entirely wrong>>18561539correct in a sense. but i'd say its a romantic kind of failure, something that can be leaned into as its own potent aesthetic, like lo-fi rock https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDUasZLyMk8&pp=ygUYcGFuY2hpa28gZGVhdGggbWV0YWwgcm90>>18561268very true and well-said. I'm no stranger to the trap of using personal style not as authentic expression of the life behind the clothes, but rather as escapism; as a coping mechanism for a lack of grounded identity and agency in life.my hope is that styles and "-cores" that appeal to you do say something about the person you wanna be and the kinda life you wanna have. i think if you interrogate that you might be able to extrapolate not the story you CAN tell about yourself, but the story you want to be ABLE to tell about yourself, and follow that golden thread of inspiration into a life that you feel fits you.clothing is no substitute for a life well lived, but i think fashion can inspire life, the same way music can.my question to you is, what kind of life and personality does this style evoke to you?
>>18549944What's the point of dressing like strung-out druggie failed sons?
it is kind of crazy how slim fit trousers are a punk option right now. im already seeing slimmer pants on artist types in wburg.
Iggy pop sometimes wore a sport coat with slim black jeans.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnI6A_YUoDc
Please don’t let this thread die <3 I find this look sexy on a man.
>>18562204I bet you’re also the same idiot who cringes if a man is wearing fresh new dressy garments, without realizing he still has to wear them down enough.
>>18562245Nope, weird assumption about me
>>18562288It’s not about you, moron, it’s about the majority of women, especially the younger ones.
>>18562291Oh so why address it to me? And not just women in general? Strange, that you think about other women’s opinions that don’t agree. lol
>>18562303Lol? I’m gonna rape you, femcuck.
>>18562304You can try but pretty sure that dick of yours doesn’t work. G’day with the projection you have for yourself. <3
>>18562306Your IQ must be around 60. Make sure to run very fast, otherwise you’ll read my next post!
>>18562312>>18562304>>18562291>>18562245This nigga is corny asf LMFAOOO
>>18562315Your stupidity oozes from every word you post. I’ve never been this sure to be talking with an actual female on 4chan lel
>>18562319Retard I’m not even her LMFAO. Oh geezzz otherwise you’ll read my next post femcuck! Corny as hell
>>18551769>>18549944>>18549946>its just a dude with regular blue collar people clotheslmaolike go touch grass whiggers lovers
>>18564012
>>18550200Thats like "tech bro trying to be hip"
>>18558577Same feel. I just feel more comfortable in this outfit. The blazers, polos, pants and ties, sweater vests. It’s definitely a confidence boost and I get compliments. And I get it all from the thrift or eBay. The only real problem is it’s unfortunately, by some, starting to become Indian coded.
>>18560105i especially like this kind.shame they're hard to track down
>>18566081>by some, starting to become Indian coded.You must be brown or something lol. no one is gonna think youre indian wearing those clothes if youre white.
>>18567620i mean, specifically the kind with the contrasting trim
>>18560981>attentionI'm sure it's male attention
>>18552758that woke prick looks like shitfat shit
>>18563224>>18571755Fuck me. This is basically how I dress.
>>18572663post pic?
>>18549944Lol. Any other Johnnies here? This looks familiar...
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